Re: [Biofuel] I don't get it,

2007-01-18 Thread Chip Mefford
Jason Katie wrote: actually if an improvement or modification is made to an existing patent then it can itself can be patented as a whole new invention (at least in america.) I don't think so. Can you cite an example where: a patented work was taken, and modified with the expressed intent

Re: [Biofuel] Dr Strangelove Saves The Earth

2007-01-18 Thread Zeke Yewdall
So all of the solar panels I'm installing to try to do a small part of generating low carbon electricity would become less effective. Thanks guys. They include seeding the skies with compounds to encourage the formation of low-lying, cooling clouds;

Re: [Biofuel] I don't get it,

2007-01-18 Thread Zeke Yewdall
Which brings up the question, why not just start producing the patented drugs in direct conflict with the law. Since when are you required to kill people because the law says you must. Sounds like a law that need to be disobeyed to me. What is the patent holder going to do about it? Sue them?

Re: [Biofuel] I don't get it, (was: Shakeup for Big Pharm)

2007-01-18 Thread Zeke Yewdall
That's not to say that there aren't cases where using modern drugs might be appropriate, but it needs a systems approach, not a silver bullet. Quite true. If there were really cheap versions of all the rediculous drugs we have in the US, I don't think it would be an improvement -- probably

Re: [Biofuel] Doomsday Clock

2007-01-18 Thread Joe Street
A I used to think Hawking was such an admirable guy. Oh well I shouldn't be surprised I guess. Joe Philip Gwinnell wrote: Hawking: Doomsday Clock closer to midnight By Roger Highfield, Science Editor (Daily Telegraph UK) Last Updated: 6:45pm GMT 17/01/2007 The world has nudged

Re: [Biofuel] I don't get it,

2007-01-18 Thread Joe Street
Chip Mefford wrote: SNIP Look, if you have a patented widget, and I take your widget, reverse engineer it, and replace all the phillips head bolts with hex bolts because they don't strip as easily, Why not use Robertsons? They're better ;) Joe

Re: [Biofuel] Can these people be trusted with our planet?

2007-01-18 Thread Keith Addison
Zeke Yewdall wrote: ZY Well, if you take the position that women are not worth anything ZY except as property, sort of like a horse or cow only probably ZY worth a little more, then it does make sense as a parable that you ZY should value the life of men, even strange ones, more than your ZY own

[Biofuel] Phone Connections

2007-01-18 Thread Keith Addison
http://www.prwatch.org/node/5630 Phone Connections - Center for Media and Democracy Spin of the Day ยป Jan 10, 2007 Phone Connections Source: Environmental Health Perspectives, January 2007 A new study analyzing research on the biologic effects of cell phone use found that industry-funded

Re: [Biofuel] Use Of 'Precautionary Principle' For Chemicals Is Growing

2007-01-18 Thread Frank Navarrete
Whereas a criminal can have the defense of innocent until proven guilty, when it comes to chemical toxicity it really should be reversed -- toxic until proven safe. To make any change in policy fail-safe, however, such as REACH proposes to do, the testing for toxicity or danger of any chemical

Re: [Biofuel] Can these people be trusted with our planet?

2007-01-18 Thread Keith Addison
Biblical literalists , hm. See also: http://www.alternet.org/story/13750/ Fundamentally Unsound -- http://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/46753/ As Bush's War Strategy Shifts to Iran, Christian Zionists Gear Up for the Apocalypse By Sarah Posner, AlterNet. Posted January 18, 2007. Is Bush

Re: [Biofuel] I don't get it,

2007-01-18 Thread Chip Mefford
Joe Street wrote: Chip Mefford wrote: SNIP Look, if you have a patented widget, and I take your widget, reverse engineer it, and replace all the phillips head bolts with hex bolts because they don't strip as easily, Why not use Robertsons? They're better ;) Joe Hrmm, Good

[Biofuel] DISTILLERY DEMAND FOR GRAIN TO FUEL CARS VASTLY UNDERSTATED

2007-01-18 Thread Frantz DESPREZ
January 4, 2007 - 1 Copyright 2007 Earth Policy Institute DISTILLERY DEMAND FOR GRAIN TO FUEL CARS VASTLY UNDERSTATED World May Be Facing Highest Grain Prices in History Lester R. Brown Investment in fuel ethanol distilleries has soared since the late-2005 oil price hikes, but data

[Biofuel] Holding Eli Lilly Responsible

2007-01-18 Thread D. Mindock
Holding Eli Lilly Responsible chapter from New Paradigms in Diabetic Care International Medical Verities Association Will be available in the Spring If there is any justice in the world history will remember Lilly as the company that killed babies. These were words I wrote three years ago but

Re: [Biofuel] Dr Strangelove Saves The Earth

2007-01-18 Thread Joe Street
Yes in fact the tragedy of 09 11 ironically gave us a glimpse of just how true this is. The no fly period gave climatologists an unprecedented opportunity to see just what the effects of sulfur emmissions from high flying jets has on our current environment. Sufuric acid has a very high

[Biofuel] Deadly Spanish Flu code cracked

2007-01-18 Thread Kirk McLoren
Deadly 'flu code cracked TheStar.com - News - Deadly 'flu code cracked January 17, 2007 Joe Hall Toronto Star http://www.thestar.com/printArticle/172085 Canadian scientists have helped unlock a key secret to history's deadliest influenza outbreak and how it killed so quickly and

Re: [Biofuel] Can these people be trusted with our planet?

2007-01-18 Thread robert and benita rabello
Luke Hansen wrote: It never ceases to amaze me how glad religious folks are to defend their faith until someone says something that makes them a little uncomfortable. Then they start getting a little peaved. Then a little defensive and angry. Then the shit-slinging begins. For most

Re: [Biofuel] DISTILLERY DEMAND FOR GRAIN TO FUEL CARS VASTLY UNDERSTATED

2007-01-18 Thread Zeke Yewdall
Now, using corn for fueling cars does sound like a lousy idea, but not because it might increase corn prices. Considering that corn now sells for only about two thirds of what it costs to grow it, I don't see this is such a bad thing. Maybe farmers around the world could support themselves

Re: [Biofuel] Can these people be trusted with our planet?

2007-01-18 Thread David Kramer
Keith Addison wrote: KA Biblical literalists , hm. A film you absolutely must see is Jesus Camp, about brainwashing by fundamentalists. Richard Dawkins is absolutely right when he speaks of child abuse in this context. ___ Biofuel mailing list

Re: [Biofuel] Can these people be trusted with our planet?

2007-01-18 Thread David Kramer
David Kramer wrote: DK A film you absolutely must see is Jesus Camp, about brainwashing by DK fundamentalists. Richard Dawkins is absolutely right when he speaks of DK child abuse in this context. I left a couple of words out (been staying up too late). I meant to write about brainwashing of

Re: [Biofuel] Can these people be trusted with our planet?

2007-01-18 Thread robert and benita rabello
David Kramer wrote: I left a couple of words out (been staying up too late). I meant to write about brainwashing of children by fundamentalists. There was a very disturbing story on NPR last month that dealt with this issue in a Missouri church community. Listen with caution!

Re: [Biofuel] I don't get it,

2007-01-18 Thread D. Mindock
But what if the same company that did the tweaking owned the original version's patent? I don't think they'd sue themselves. If it were a different company they could do a backroom deal. It is all about money, lots of it. As long as folks don't get it, that prescription drugs are not the

Re: [Biofuel] DISTILLERY DEMAND FOR GRAIN TO FUEL CARS VASTLY UNDERSTATED

2007-01-18 Thread Jason Katie
GAAAHH! MORE idiocy!!! CORN IS NOT A GOOD FUEL why cant they figure this out? everyone here knows a dozen or more different sources of liquid fuel, so why cant anyone else come up with one?No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.431 /

Re: [Biofuel] I don't get it,

2007-01-18 Thread Jason Katie
http://www.bitlaw.com/source/35usc/101.html it goes on to say in article 102 that if it is not the item or process (big emphasis- the process is basically the invention) originally patented, then it can be patented to the new inventor without infringing on the original inventor's patent. -