[Biofuel] odd story re quake

2005-01-05 Thread Kirk McLoren
Nicobar tribals refuse to come out from jungles — as per their predictions, fresh earthquakes strike the islands January 4, 2005 India Daily Indian Government finally confirms that threatened tribal aborigines are safe in Andaman – Nicobar islands – they sensed it coming and moved to

RE: [Biofuel] Compost with sawdust and LOF-- mushroom media

2005-01-03 Thread Kirk McLoren
I know hobbyists that eliminate the hassles of heat sterilization of media using hydrogen peroxide. Works very well. Some info here http://www.mycomasters.com/ http://www.mycomasters.com/Slideshow.html http://ecosyn.us/ecocity/Links/My_Links_Pages/easy_mushrooms_01.html

Re: [Biofuel] Compost with sawdust and LOF.

2005-01-02 Thread Kirk McLoren
Hello Peter. Orange peel contains orange oil, a preservative. It is slow to decompose. Kirk --- Guag Meister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Kim ; LOF is Liquid Organic Fertilizer or what Keith calls Household Compost Activator, in other words, urine. Yes I guess I could put in some

[Biofuel] Solar Cells at $1.50 per watt

2005-01-01 Thread Kirk McLoren
- Pliable solar cells are on a roll Fred Pearce, Uppsala http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn6802print=true Imagine wearing ajacket or rucksack that charges up your mobile phonewhile you take a walk. Or a tent whose flysheet charges batteries

Re: [Biofuel] Electric Bill (was New Car)

2004-12-31 Thread Kirk McLoren
I have seen some high frequency ballasts that just chop the 60 Hz so the 15% efficiency improvement is lost. This is separate from the ballast loss, it is a raising of the bulb efficiency by not allowing quench to proceed as far inside the lamp. They label these as HF but it is misleading. I call

[Biofuel] Happy New Year

2004-12-31 Thread Kirk McLoren
I wish you all a happy and constructive new year. Kirk Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed. This world in arms is not spending money alone. It

RE: [Biofuel] Windows warning

2004-12-27 Thread Kirk McLoren
The information carried enough credibility that the German government abandoned Microsoft. The replacement OS, Linux, also turned out to be cheaper to support. Doesn't sound too good for Mickeysoft. I understand Bill Gates solution was to purchase more than 50% of Red Hat, a major

Re: [Biofuel] 10 Hp Diesel (from China)

2004-12-20 Thread Kirk McLoren
That Changfa sure looks like the unit sold by Chinadiesel in Jamul California, --- Legal Eagle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: G'day Alex; - Original Message - From: alex burton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 1:43 AM Subject: [Biofuel] 10 Hp

[Biofuel] RE: [Befoul] Food waste and Leaping for $1.50

2004-12-19 Thread Kirk McLoren
Hi Keith Except for the coffins I saw farm failures on a trip to Australia about 25 years ago. Same story, big loans and market failure. Then foreclosure -- all on advice of gvt experts and easy loans. Kirk --- Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Peggy Hello Mike, I understand

Re: [Biofuel] End of the World (sorry)

2004-12-15 Thread Kirk McLoren
My daughter thought it amazingly funny. Yes it was Sellersesque Kirk --- Michael Redler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: WTF: What the...F Anyway, I want to follow up with a quick message. The link IS NOT A REFLECTION OF MY POLITICAL VIEWS. I received an angry message from Harry in the

Santa and his reindeers

2004-12-14 Thread Kirk McLoren
Wishing all of you the very best. Kirk click 'one time' on each reindeer. http://web.icq.com/shockwave/0,,4845,00.swf __ Do you Yahoo!? Send holiday email and support a worthy cause. Do good. http://celebrity.mail.yahoo.com

Re: [Biofuel] Hyping Terror For Fun, Profit - And Power

2004-12-10 Thread Kirk McLoren
Todd wrote: The same people lied, fabricated, manipulated and stole from the American people 30 years ago and they're doing the exact same thing again today. - Been going on much longer than that my friend. Gutenberg should have this one out by now -- 1919

Re: [Biofuel] winterizing

2004-12-08 Thread Kirk McLoren
I think you will find that something as light as ether will outgass at a high rate. Also I think it will change the burning characteristics in not very large concentrations. For example some engines have suffered damage from a spray of ether. We used to use it in Montana when starting tractors

Re: [Biofuel] What Israel Means to Me (Was Balfour reconsidered)

2004-12-08 Thread Kirk McLoren
The eugenics stuff is American as well Go to http://fax.libs.uga.edu/ and click on (click for a list of titles) and near the bottom of the page you will see world war posters In them you will see American eugenics being promoted as desireable to Germany. In the states we are told Hitler was

Re: [Biofuel] Processor Questions

2004-12-05 Thread Kirk McLoren
magnetic coupling --- Ross Horner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I want to make a processor that produces no fumes, but how do you get an agitator through the container without having a hole? I also want to produce a fairly large amount of biodiesel and plan to use 250 gallon home fuel

Re: [Biofuel] Quo Vadis: Playing For Keeps

2004-12-05 Thread Kirk McLoren
I know several people who have been predicting this for over 10 years and they quote Ordo ab Chao (Order out of chaos) as the mantra. I have read some of their arguments and I can't disprove them. Perhaps I am becoming a paranoid schizo but when I see 1 No realistic energy policy. Renewables are

RE: [Biofuel] RE: Bible, Koran Torah Thumping

2004-11-27 Thread Kirk McLoren
Yes, many believe the evolution hypothesis even though it has many flaws. There is more support to believe we were all placed here by the mother ship than by evolution. Better than the mothership though, to me, is to believe there is more to heaven and earth than my philosophy and that there is

Re: Re[2]: [Biofuel] 4 more years - Euro to oil

2004-11-26 Thread Kirk McLoren
I assume the answer to that will be the offering of higher interest rates. Of course raising the rate will kill real estate etc. in the US. :( Kirk --- Ken Riznyk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Another concern about the dollar is that much of the US debt is held by foreign investors mainly in China

Re: [Biofuel] Interview with William Blum - The Granma Moses of Radical Writing

2004-11-24 Thread Kirk McLoren
if we secluded that person on a farm with a dozen articulate progressive activists for a year, and with a plethora of moving audio-visual materials, something would probably click in that individual's head. --- I suspect they would react like Leeloo (The Fifth Element) when

Re: [Biofuel] Vertical axis wind turbines Another approach to wind

2004-11-23 Thread Kirk McLoren
know. Kirk McLoren wrote: The hours of operation aren't even close. The comparison is invalid. Then there is the question of which bearings you refer to. Wheel bearings? Totally different application from moving the foils. The applied loads in that machine are very large

Re: [Biofuel] Vertical axis wind turbines Another approach to wind

2004-11-22 Thread Kirk McLoren
will be limited to what they have been able to learn with other models they have built to this point. Happy Thanksgiving to all who celebrate it and enjoy this time with your families. - Original Message - From: Kirk McLoren [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday

RE: [Biofuel] Vertical axis wind turbines Another approach to wind

2004-11-22 Thread Kirk McLoren
The hours of operation aren't even close. The comparison is invalid. Then there is the question of which bearings you refer to. Wheel bearings? Totally different application from moving the foils. The applied loads in that machine are very large. That makes the controls large which means

Re: [Biofuel] Vertical axis wind turbines Another approach to wind

2004-11-21 Thread Kirk McLoren
Not Swedish. Bohemian Celt actually. Was madly infatuated with a little Norwegian girl when we were in the 8th grade though. She told me ufda was being at the airport when your ship comes in. As to your other question -- Fatigue stress is much higher in a VAWT than a HAWT. Inescapable. To quote

Re: [Biofuel] Vertical axis wind turbines Another approach to wind

2004-11-20 Thread Kirk McLoren
All the VAT I know about suffered fatigue and broke due to reversal every revolution. It is a design weakness. All you can do is select materials etc to extend mtbf but it is built in. I used to be enthusiastic about them as I wanted to avoid the problems in the conventional designs. They aren't

Re: [Biofuel] Nazism And Christian Conservatism

2004-11-18 Thread Kirk McLoren
It is always the one true faith against the world. If you think Christianity has a corner on this market you aren't looking very hard. Threatening hellfire is one way, Islam threatens the sword for nonbelievers. Israel/Palestine is a holy war is it not? As long as a religion has us/them it

Re: Methane was Re: [Biofuel] solar hot water w/follow up question

2004-11-16 Thread Kirk McLoren
Solar Power Heliostat Arrays. http://www.redrok.com/main.htm --- Michael Redler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kim is asking a question to which I've also been trying to get answers. I'd also like to attach a follow up question. Has anyone been looking into heliostats as a way of

Re: [Biofuel] solar hot water

2004-11-15 Thread Kirk McLoren
Building your own? Kirk --- Kim Garth Travis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Greetings, Well I had planned on working on my farm first, then doing my biofuels next. First I have an argument with the power company and now, my hot water heater died. Does anyone have a favorite solar hot

Re: Bible, Koran Torah Thumping, not to mention other general sheeple tricks was Re: [Biofuel] about God

2004-11-13 Thread Kirk McLoren
I remember seeing an electron microscope picture of a virus and thinking the thing had more in common with a nanobot than something living. Looked very mechanical. Don't remember which virus but think it was in Scientific American about 15 years ago. -Kirk --- robert luis rabello [EMAIL

[Biofuel] Fwd: Arctic thaw could open vast oil and gas region

2004-11-12 Thread Kirk McLoren
Thought this article would be of interest --Kirk Arctic thaw could open vast oil and gas region 11 Nov 2004 15:00:50 GMT Source: Reuters By Alister Doyle, Environment Correspondent REYKJAVIK, Nov 12 (Reuters) - An accelerating thaw of the Arctic may open vast regions for oil and gas

RE: [Biofuel] Nuclear vs coal

2004-11-12 Thread Kirk McLoren
I agree that providing an alternative is constructive and is useful. Your example re the people that think irradiation is a cure all for sterilization and food preservation, I have no problem believing they don't know better. Most of them are unaware of the studies re the random molecules created

RE: [Biofuel] about God

2004-11-12 Thread Kirk McLoren
God laid an egg? H. . . :) Kirk --- Peggy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The essence of egg-o-ism drew the chicken unto itself and into a future probability as did the squawking joy of reverberating sound made by the chicken as she laid her first egg. Forevermore the sound of joyful

RE: FW: [Biofuel] about God

2004-11-11 Thread Kirk McLoren
Mel, I have problems accepting Urantia as an accurate history. For example-- Page 1701 when recounting the feeding of the five thousand says: They who ate of this extraordinary feast numbered about five thousand men, women, and children. We know from that period that counts were of men only so

RE: Bible, Koran Torah Thumping, not to mention other general sheeple tricks was Re: [Biofuel] aboutGod

2004-11-11 Thread Kirk McLoren
--- Mel Riser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I LOVE bananas... Most of us do. That's the problem. I find I have more faith in my intellectual decisions if I examine my feelings and I am certain I am free of wanting to believe. Very important knowing your heart.

Re: [Biofuel] Nuclear vs coal

2004-11-11 Thread Kirk McLoren
The nukesters routinely indulge in deception to promote their industry. The pollution associated with the nuclear fuel cycle is spun like stories regarding a president who didn't think a blowjob was sex. I don't think any reasonable person would believe it just like the nuclear industry rubbish.

Re: [Biofuel] Nuclear vs coal correction

2004-11-11 Thread Kirk McLoren
ufda Had a stupid attack it is plutonium (Pu) 239 that is formed. Hard to imagine how I could make a mistake like that considering I used to do radiation hardness and susceptibility for a living. Must be oldtimers. Kirk --- Kirk McLoren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The nukesters routinely

Re: [Biofuel] Rooftop Wind Turbines Scotland

2004-11-08 Thread Kirk McLoren
Yes, lost a kidney to cancer and had one of those near death experiences as well. Much of what I used to see in the world as serious I now see as adolescent and self indulgent. Wish I could put it into words like Keith does. Anyway, using fabric for the machine. Have a novel way, a simple way,

RE: [Biofuel] 4 more years -- State IQ and Election Results

2004-11-08 Thread Kirk McLoren
The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good. -- Samuel Johnson --- Tim Ferguson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Peggy, I agree that their are several kinds of smart (if you will). I have an Aunt who holds three Doctorate degrees but yet can't

Re: [Biofuel] Rooftop Wind Turbines Scotland

2004-11-07 Thread Kirk McLoren
http://www.scoraigwind.com/ has a much cheaper solution. Also a more factual solution. A rooftop installation will in most cases be a very poor one. Kirk --- MH [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rooftop Turbine A Breakthrough In Wind Power By Paul Kelbie Scotland Correspondent The

Re: [Biofuel] Rooftop Wind Turbines Scotland

2004-11-07 Thread Kirk McLoren
Coming along ok. Mind is willing but the body is weak. Each day a bit better though. Actually have some colour in my face now. Piggott even shows how to carve your own blades. As for configuration Betz wrote the paper I think. I am under the impression 3 blades is usually the best choice. Mine

Re: off topic flame: Re: [Biofuel] 38 short hours to go

2004-11-04 Thread Kirk McLoren
I believe the historian Toynbee wrote that America was a unique society in that it declined before it reached its peak. As a wholesale worshipper of youth and consumerism one can hardly hope any mature values would be cultivated. Responsibility is one of the tenents of maturity. I would

Re: [Biofuel] Reaction from the US to the Guardian's Clark County project

2004-10-25 Thread Kirk McLoren
They had to add 100 free points to the SAT scores so that Americans wouldn't notice the drop in scholastic performance in 1 generation. It isn't just the schools fault either. I think a lot of Americans are tuned out and doing what feels good is the alpha and omega of their existance. Would be

Re: [Biofuel] Lost in Twitland

2004-10-24 Thread Kirk McLoren
So unnerve me. Kirk Lost in Twitland In the words of Adolf Hitler, If you tell a big enough lie, people will believe it. It actually wasn't Hitler that said that, but it is attributed to hime because it appeared in Mein Kampf. I shall leave it at that otherwise it will unerve

RE: [Biofuel] Canadian Trash

2004-10-24 Thread Kirk McLoren
Is that correct? Nope. He is talking trash :) Pardon the pun but I couldn't resist Kirk --- John Mullan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And why does it have to be 60 miles high? In our praries, 60 square miles in nothing. Forget the 60 mile hieght. Imagine the methane / nat.gas that could

Re: [Biofuel] Trees and power companies

2004-10-20 Thread Kirk McLoren
A truly wealthy person is one who needs little. Kirk --- Mickey Sadler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Kim, I don't know if you have wood available or not, but it could be used for cooking. Are you familiar with Lehman's? They have wood cookstoves, and just about anything else that you

Re: [Biofuel] production of ethanol from wheat flour -- yeast selection

2004-10-18 Thread Kirk McLoren
The quantity and type of yeast and tank volume is CRITICAL if being done commercially. The quantity of innoculant must be calculated accurately as the final yield of yeast bodies can vary as much as 50%. Sugar used to make yeast bodies is not available as alcohol. Kirk --- Kenneth Kron [EMAIL

Re: [Biofuel] Free book The Oil Age is Over

2004-10-13 Thread Kirk McLoren
I suppose I should have read it first. It was a link sent to me by a friend on another list. Haven't been reading much. If I have any energy I put it into walking. Kirk Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: George, What part of They haven't even really started to think... or ...not nearly

Re: [Biofuel] U.S. Funds Chat Room Surveillance Study

2004-10-13 Thread Kirk McLoren
We had pen recorders on the phone system in Iran in the 70's. People dial a phone with their own peculiar rythm. Kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Updated: 08:11 AM EDT U.S. Funds Chat Room Surveillance Study Looking for Patterns That Could Detect Terrorist Messaging By MICHAEL HILL, The

Re: [Biofuel]Israeli commander empties his magazine on a teenage girl

2004-10-13 Thread Kirk McLoren
The man is obviously consumed with hate. To kill children requires a profound detachment of the spirit. There will be no progress until Sharon is replaced someone more moderate. He is a modern day Stalin. Kirk fox mulder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Source: Independent.co.uk

Re: [Biofuel]Beaten Afgan bride

2004-10-13 Thread Kirk McLoren
It is quite possible the story is true. 500 years ago the story could have been true in continental Europe or England. Our enlightenment is quite recent actually and even now is incomplete. Our willingness to hurt each other transcends reason. We used to burn women alive and think it a good

[Biofuel] My favorite dictionary of units of measurement was fuel additives

2004-10-12 Thread Kirk McLoren
Steve Spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Irish Mile = 2048 meters. mile (mi) a traditional unit of distance. The word comes from the Latin word for 1000, mille, because originally a mile was the distance a Roman legion could march in 1000 paces (or 2000 steps, a pace being the distance between

[Biofuel] Favorite dictionary try again ufda

2004-10-12 Thread Kirk McLoren
http://www.unc.edu/~rowlett/units/index.html This site is constantly updated as well. I like it. Kirk - Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. ___ Biofuel mailing

RE: [biofuel] Question - efficiency of sunlight conversion....Carbon Forcing or solar activity

2004-10-12 Thread Kirk McLoren
I think meteoric activity is in there as well sice it is the doping of the photosphere that makes a difference. Plasmas emit photons roughly proportional to the square of the number of electrons of the atom making up the plasma. Iron has 55 so it has much more emission than hydrogen with 1. So

[Biofuel] Free book The Oil Age is Over

2004-10-12 Thread Kirk McLoren
http://www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net/downloads.html Free until US elections - Do you Yahoo!? vote.yahoo.com - Register online to vote today! ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Was Re: [Biofuel] Changing Government/Now ethanol

2004-10-11 Thread Kirk McLoren
cetane value for better performance. In theory a cetane value of about 45-50 is best for in city driving, although 40 would be fine for long distance hwy driving, 35 should be fine for a farm tractor and oil furnace use. Greg H. - Original Message - From: Kirk McLoren To: Sent

Re: Was Re: [Biofuel] Changing Government/Now ethanol

2004-10-11 Thread Kirk McLoren
you a container with enough dye to correctly dye the fuel you bought. Apparently they are audited for the amount of untaxed fuel they sell and the amount of red dye the consume with not much verification on exactly how these two items leave the premisies. kk Kirk McLoren wrote: I heard

Re: [Biofuel] Handbuilt electrolyzers? [was: Solar Hydrogen]

2004-10-11 Thread Kirk McLoren
Since the flammability range for hydrogen is so wide it could be used at 2% and then a very lean gasoline mix would burn -- and with good efficiency. Propagation is a serious problem with lean gasoline mixtures. Kirk Walt Patrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The part of the article that caught

Re: [Biofuel] Magnets

2004-10-10 Thread Kirk McLoren
. If it was possible to create free energy why do you think all those hydroelectric and steam powered turbines need so much power to run? Oh well, I'm sure everyone knew all this anyway... JEFF Original Message Follows From: Kirk McLoren Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: Was Re: [Biofuel] Changing Government/Now ethanol

2004-10-10 Thread Kirk McLoren
stove oil is winter diesel. Kerosine is too light. even winter diesel benefits from lubrication additives. Kirk Brian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, I was wondering this as well. There is a station close by that sells kerosene. In winter in Indiana (though I won't be here for the worst

Re: [Biofuel] Magnets

2004-10-10 Thread Kirk McLoren
well, I'm sure everyone knew all this anyway... JEFF Original Message Follows From: Kirk McLoren Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Magnets Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 14:30:51 -0700 (PDT) Yes, the free energy folks are a breed of birds unto themselves

Re: Was Re: [Biofuel] Changing Government/Now ethanol

2004-10-10 Thread Kirk McLoren
When I lived in Montana the local fuel supplier filled your winter tractor fuel tank and the oil stove tank from the same tank truck load. It was dyed red to stop its use on the highway. Kirk Greg Harbican [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Furnace oil, is Diesel #4, with anti-biological additives

Re: [Biofuel] RE: Fire ants wasZXZX

2004-10-09 Thread Kirk McLoren
I used boric acid and egg yolk for the common German cockroach when I lived in Southern California. They like egg yolk so much they don't run when the light is first turned on. I think whatever ants like but with boric acid not borax would do the trick. I use a heaping teaspoon of cinammon

Re: [Biofuel] Magnets

2004-10-09 Thread Kirk McLoren
Yes, the free energy folks are a breed of birds unto themselves. Kirk When the war on terror is over, there will be no more terror. Just like the war on drugs, and you can't buy drugs anymore MH [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Shoot. Bygolly has I gotcha ah hybrid veehickle fur yall.

Re: [Biofuel] RE: Fire ants wasZXZX

2004-10-09 Thread Kirk McLoren
They love egg yolk so they eat it. Sprinkling it only gets them to ingest what they get when they clean their legs. Mix it in the yolk. When it dries out make some more. Kim Garth Travis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Thanks, I know boric acid will keep them out of my cupboards, but they don't

Re: [Biofuel] Back to grid via WVO genset

2004-10-09 Thread Kirk McLoren
Then we have centralized power plants utilizing part of the generated power to run pumps and fans to cool the bottom end of the cycle instead of the heat being available as process heat, hot water or space heat. Then we have right of ways and condemnation of private property to route

Re: [Biofuel] CANDU Reactors (was Hydro power in Scandinavia)

2004-10-08 Thread Kirk McLoren
The same design flaws that caused the Pickering accident exist at other CANDU reactors. http://www.antenna.nl/wise/436/4306.html http://archives.cbc.ca/IDCC-1-75-104-911/science_technology/candu/ some nice film clips of CANDU failures. 366.3597) WISE Amsterdam - Especially disturbing is the

Re: [Biofuel] Back to grid via WVO genset

2004-10-08 Thread Kirk McLoren
That fellow Skip who wrote More Power to You said he knew China diesel owners that had in excess of 10,000 hours without a rebuild. We know trucks go 100 miles and at an avg of 50mph that is 20.000 hours Kirk Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Robert, What is the flaw I am missing?

RE: [Biofuel] US Blocks Phase Out of Lindane in North America

2004-10-08 Thread Kirk McLoren
I assume they respond to bait. Wasps, for example, go crazy over fish. I assume they like all edibles but what gets their motor running? Use that for a trap. I like electricity although I suppose soapy water might do. My ex father in law observed flies go up not down so his traps worked 10

Re: [Biofuel] Back to grid via WVO genset

2004-10-07 Thread Kirk McLoren
Sounds good to me. Check out micro cogeneration at Yahoo groups Kirk Robert Del Bueno [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So looking at my power bill for my recording studio business, we use on average about 2000kWH per month. If I were to run a 30kW diesel genset on SVO for 2.5 hours a day, 30 days a

Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: Kyoto clears last hurdle / Scientists againstBush/ U.S. can end oil use

2004-10-03 Thread Kirk McLoren
It is my impression that wind power projects are complex and thus expensive. Solar has the obstacle of much cloud cover in Eire. I am in the process of building a drag type windmill (sheet) as it has the highest starting torque and the least demands on skill of assembly. I also think it is

Re: [Biofuel] Creating a cool room storage in a hot climate - solar.

2004-09-25 Thread Kirk McLoren
The Navaho made ice but the holes they opened to the night sky were entered by ladder. They were deep as I remember, more than 20 feet. I believe this solved the air warmth problem. Guag Meister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Hi Joe and All ; Yes this is exactly right. Thank you. I did some

Re: [biofuel] hydrogen economy really oil

2004-09-22 Thread Kirk McLoren
Reduction of O2 is being ignored. I hear it is as low as 16% in some cities. Low oxygenation and cancer are linked. Kirk robert harder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The hydrogen economy is being pushed because it is favored by the current oil companies, the cheapest source of hydrogen is oil and

Re: [Biofuel] Slogan

2004-09-18 Thread Kirk McLoren
He is off by 10^3. Kirk Jeff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was thinking of some new slogans the other day. How does Stop our dependence on prehistoric plant matter: Use earth friendly fuels like biodiesel sound to the group. I thought of this after reading a blog in the discover magazine. I

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