Message: 10
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 21:32:15 -0400
From: steve spence [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Biodiesel commercialization
biodiesel is sold commercially in Chesapeake bay marinas.
Hold on. really? I live in the Chesapeake Bay area, but I
Nice logo!
Only problem: It looks like you're sucking the fuel out of the earth... like
dino-diesel!
May I recommend going back to the original logo and replacing the earth with
a plant or tree? That would be more accurate.
Perhaps the nozzle could tap directly into the stem, and then
I finally gathered some info on biodiesel. A company in Masschusetts called
World Energy sells 7500 gallon shipments at ~$1.90 per gallon. (Shipments
are also available in 55 gallons or 5 gallons, but the price is over $4 a
gallon.)
My next step is to find out if I can get a tax credit,
From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED]
By the way, I see you're asking people for their sources. That's a
bit rich, isn't it? How come you've never answered this?
I have offered to MAIL my source to anyone who wants it.
No one's taken it. Why is that?
Troy
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Going from Baseline LSD (regular high grade diesel) to ULSD (Ultra Low
Sulfur
Diesel) on the CBD Cycle (the standard bus service cycle) results in 76%
average reduction in THC (total hydrocarbons), 29% average reduction in CO,
and
29% average reduction in PM
CRT
From: Scott Cathy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
No secret. I SAID that I no longer have the electronic copy. I SAID
that
it could be found via following the GREET-related links at
http://www.fueleconomy.org. If you are too lazy to do that, that's
your
problem not mine.
Troy
Simple: Get Acrobat Reader.
This shows that conversion in the U.S. to EV's would drop CO2 but
drastically increase SOx and particulates emissions. Might as well just
convert to diesel and get similar results.
Troy
From: jerry dycus [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
To:
From: jerry dycus [EMAIL PROTECTED]
- CNG uses TONS of fossil fuels to transport it,
refine it, and compress it.
End result: A CNG car uses more fossil fuel than a
standard gas car.
Most CNG is moved by pipeline, not trucks or
trains and CNG powers the compressors. While it's
From: jerry dycus [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Recent price raises in nat gas to over $5 a million
btu has lead to a lot of new wells and coal to gas
plants. Those and making it from biomass will help
that region.
OK.
are only making 3% of the pollution of a gasoline
car
because of their
From: jerry dycus [EMAIL PROTECTED]
-60% liquid hydrogen fuel-cell
They are really smoking good stuff here, 200%
more energy than gasoline per mile. You have to make
H2 and compress it first. Very energy intensive.
They made the assumption that H2 would be made from solar energy.
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Yahoo, which now owns our list, and for which we all had to create a
new username and profile to access this list, has free e-mail. I
already had another accout before I re-registered when we switched
over. I think it's a 10Mb mailbox, but maybe it's 5. definately more
For those who bought their Hybrids to reduce energy use and save the
environment... keep reading to learn what your future cars might be like.
If you don't care about the environment, press delete now.
Changes in Total Energy Use Relative to Gas Vehicles
+40% E90 ethanol vehicle
-15% M90
From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Because I'm American, and I'd rather give my money to free American
workers
than Arab dictators.
Heh. I think you need to do some homework on just who you're giving
your money to. Do you mean as opposed to unfree American workers?
Okay, so you're
OK. That's different then.
Tell me how one sets up a filter for the used oil? Can used oil be dumped
in a gasoline fuel tank?
How long did you say your diesel engine lasted?
Troy
From: Ed Service [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Of course I had to filter the used oil extremely well and also let it
From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] but as you say, not
well stitched together, which the sense that biodiesel was going to play
a
big part in helping out with the NOx issue. I agree that the people in
Seattle that put this program in place are unlikely to be of the belief
that
it
From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED]
With the new 5ppm sulfur diesel regulation coming, it appears that the
only
advantage of bio-diesel over dino-diesel is that it supports American
farmers.
True?
Troy.
Nope, not true. Why only American farmers, by the way?
Because I'm American,
From: Ed Service [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Is it true that synthetic oils like Mobil 1 and Amsoil are actually
Biodiesel based? On my old truck ,a 93 dodge Cummins, I used Mobil Delvac
oil in the crankcase changing it at 2 km's Then, mixed the old oil I'd
removed from the engine into the fuel
OK.
So as I said, it appears that the only advantage of bio-diesel over 5ppm ULS
dino-diesel is independence from foreign sources and supporting our own
citizen farmers.
Oh... also more lubrication.
From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Troy,
In response to your thoughts
...With the
My question was not a criticism. YOU mis-read it.
From: Rod Kopping [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Think before you speak, not after, this attitude that farmer
must produce below cost, will cost far far more than you can imagine.
Thanks for your time, rod kopping
- Original Message -
From: Appal
From: Ed Beggs [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Yes they are available, but cost would come down with more of them being
built and used, more retrofit market would develop, and biodiesel can play
a
role in that, as well as the new lower sulphur diesel that is being
mandated
for North America, to allow the
From: Ed Beggs [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bingo!...And fuel it with biodiesel..
Maybe. The EPA study (below) shows that bio-gas aka ethanol uses MORE
energy during production than just normal gas.
Doesn't bio-diesel have the same flaw?
Troy
Use of ethanol, methanol, CNG (natural gas), FRFG2,
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