Re: [Biofuel] Alabama Town's Failed Pension is a Warning (NYT-article)

2011-01-02 Thread Keith Addison
http://www.alternet.org/story/149369/8_smears_and_misconceptions_about_wikileaks_spread_by_the_media?page=entire AlterNet / By Julianne Escobedo Shepherd and Tana Ganeva 8 Smears and Misconceptions About WikiLeaks Spread By the Media Shredding the corporate media's malicious attacks on

Re: [Biofuel] Alabama Town's Failed Pension is a Warning (NYT-article)

2011-01-02 Thread Dawie Coetzee
From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sat, 1 January, 2011 6:30:18 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Alabama Town's Failed Pension is a Warning (NYT-article) http://www.alternet.org/story/149369/8_smears_and_misconceptions_about_wikileaks_spread_by_the_media?page

Re: [Biofuel] Alabama Town's Failed Pension is a Warning (NYT-article)

2011-01-01 Thread Keith Addison
@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sun, 26 December, 2010 23:14:50 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Alabama Town's Failed Pension is a Warning (NYT-article) Alot of the US has a strange attraction to worshipping the almighty free market. Any sort of public or regulated business ideas Socialism, public health care

Re: [Biofuel] Alabama Town's Failed Pension is a Warning (NYT-article)

2010-12-31 Thread Joe Street
Noam Scheiber describes something resembling a lateral rather than hierarchical organization although he still assumes some overarching control frame it seems which is a departure from pure lateral networking. That is more the way nature organizes things and hopefully if Schieber is right this

Re: [Biofuel] Alabama Town's Failed Pension is a Warning (NYT-article)

2010-12-31 Thread Jeromie Reeves
sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Alabama Town's Failed Pension is a Warning       (NYT-article) Same here.  That's quite common in rural areas here.  Often property taxes via special levies that we vote upon fund the equipment, etc, but the staff volunteers their time

Re: [Biofuel] Alabama Town's Failed Pension is a Warning(NYT-article)

2010-12-31 Thread Jeromie Reeves
-wing authoritarians. -Original Message- From: Dan Beukelman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Dec 30, 2010 12:26 PM To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Alabama Town's Failed Pension is        a       Warning(NYT-article) The situation cited below is interesting

Re: [Biofuel] Alabama Town's Failed Pension is a Warning (NYT-article)

2010-12-30 Thread Keith Addison
Hello Peter Yes, I saw that piece by Josh Ogden. There've been quite a few such conspiracist pieces about WikiLeaks of course, some of them rather obviously orchestrated, if rather ineptly. I think Young Master Ogden should perhaps try reading what he's written in the mirror (and the

Re: [Biofuel] Alabama Town's Failed Pension is a Warning (NYT-article)

2010-12-30 Thread Tyler Arnold
To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Alabama Town's Failed Pension is a Warning (NYT-article) Same here. That's quite common in rural areas here. Often property taxes via special levies that we vote upon fund the equipment, etc

Re: [Biofuel] Alabama Town's Failed Pension is a Warning(NYT-article)

2010-12-30 Thread Dan Beukelman
government provided fire service. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Doug Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2010 4:17 AM To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Alabama Town's Failed Pension is a Warning(NYT-article) Luckily , in Australia

Re: [Biofuel] Alabama Town's Failed Pension is a Warning(NYT-article)

2010-12-30 Thread Tyler Arnold
that they didn’t need government provided fire service. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Doug Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2010 4:17 AM To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Alabama Town's Failed Pension is a Warning(NYT-article

Re: [Biofuel] Alabama Town's Failed Pension is a Warning (NYT-article)

2010-12-30 Thread Dan Beukelman
] Sent: Dec 28, 2010 6:41 PM To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Alabama Town's Failed Pension is a Warning (NYT-article) Same here. That's quite common in rural areas here. Often property taxes via special levies

Re: [Biofuel] Alabama Town's Failed Pension is a Warning (NYT-article)

2010-12-30 Thread Tyler Arnold
Message- From: Dan Beukelman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Dec 30, 2010 12:47 PM To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Alabama Town's Failed Pension isa Warning (NYT-article) What insurance company was your main customer? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: [Biofuel] Alabama Town's Failed Pension is a Warning(NYT-article)

2010-12-30 Thread Dan Beukelman
of thousands, which I am sure this guy couldn’t have paid. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tyler Arnold Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 3:17 PM To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Alabama Town's Failed Pension is a Warning(NYT-article

Re: [Biofuel] Alabama Town's Failed Pension is a Warning (NYT-article)

2010-12-30 Thread Dan Beukelman
: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tyler Arnold Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 5:02 PM To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Alabama Town's Failed Pension is a Warning (NYT-article) Dan, I'm very sorry to say that I'm paranoid enough

Re: [Biofuel] Alabama Town's Failed Pension is a Warning (NYT-article)

2010-12-29 Thread Guag Meister
Hi All ; Nice, Dawie. Yes, very succinct and insightful. This piece be might be pertinent: http://www.tnr.com/article/politics/80481/game-changer?page=0,0 Game Changer Why Wikileaks will be the death of big business and big government. Keith, let me say that nothing would make me happier

Re: [Biofuel] Alabama Town's Failed Pension is a Warning(NYT-article)

2010-12-28 Thread Doug
Luckily , in Australia, virtually all the Rural Fire services are staffed by volunteers (although there are some paid positions in support areas, Govt funded). I live on rural acreage, some fdunds go to the RFS as donations, but there is no compulsion. I was really surprised with the claim

Re: [Biofuel] Alabama Town's Failed Pension is a Warning (NYT-article)

2010-12-28 Thread Ivan Menchero
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Alabama Town's Failed Pension is a Warning (NYT-article) http://www.alternet.org/story/149324/america_in_decline%3A_why_germans_think_we%27re_insane?page=entire America in Decline: Why Germans Think We're Insane A look at our empire in decline through the eyes

Re: [Biofuel] Alabama Town's Failed Pension is a Warning(NYT-article)

2010-12-28 Thread Jason Mier
is by and large, foolish. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 21:16:45 +1100 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Alabama Town's Failed Pension is a Warning(NYT-article) Luckily , in Australia, virtually all the Rural Fire services are staffed

Re: [Biofuel] Alabama Town's Failed Pension is a Warning (NYT-article)

2010-12-28 Thread Zeke Yewdall
PROTECTED] To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 21:16:45 +1100 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Alabama Town's Failed Pension is a Warning(NYT-article) Luckily , in Australia, virtually all the Rural Fire services are staffed by volunteers (although there are some paid

Re: [Biofuel] Alabama Town's Failed Pension is a Warning (NYT-article)

2010-12-27 Thread Dawie Coetzee
. Best wishes Keith Dan From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michele Stephenson Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2010 11:36 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Alabama Town's Failed Pension is a Warning (NYT-article) For those of you who live in the US an article of interest

Re: [Biofuel] Alabama Town's Failed Pension is a Warning (NYT-article)

2010-12-27 Thread Keith Addison
http://www.alternet.org/story/149324/america_in_decline%3A_why_germans_think_we%27re_insane?page=entire America in Decline: Why Germans Think We're Insane A look at our empire in decline through the eyes of the European media. December 26, 2010 By Democrats Ramshield As an American expat

Re: [Biofuel] Alabama Town's Failed Pension is a Warning (NYT-article)

2010-12-27 Thread Keith Addison
@sustainablelists.org sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sun, 26 December, 2010 23:14:50 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Alabama Town's Failed Pension is a Warning (NYT-article) Alot of the US has a strange attraction to worshipping the almighty free market. Any sort of public or regulated

Re: [Biofuel] Alabama Town's Failed Pension is a Warning (NYT-article)

2010-12-26 Thread Doug
] On Behalf Of Michele Stephenson Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2010 11:36 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Alabama Town's Failed Pension is a Warning (NYT-article) For those of you who live in the US an article of interest... For those who live outside looking in, it's no big surprise Private Company

Re: [Biofuel] Alabama Town's Failed Pension is a Warning(NYT-article)

2010-12-26 Thread Andy K
. - Original Message - From: Doug [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2010 8:56 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Alabama Town's Failed Pension is a Warning(NYT-article) I just do not understand the US system. I am an Australian, we have

Re: [Biofuel] Alabama Town's Failed Pension is a Warning(NYT-article)

2010-12-26 Thread Ivan Menchero
@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Alabama Town's Failed Pension is a Warning(NYT-article) I just do not understand the US system. I am an Australian, we have a mandated Pension system that inputs from memory 9% of a workers wages into a Superannuation scheme (of our choosing). Most seem to use

Re: [Biofuel] Alabama Town's Failed Pension is a Warning(NYT-article)

2010-12-26 Thread Erik Lane
On Sun, Dec 26, 2010 at 6:32 AM, Ivan Menchero [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Ivan PS: I am surprise the have not privatize the fire department in the USA! so you pay a monthly insurance' and if you do not pay and there is a fire in your house you are out of luck! Unfortunately there are at

Re: [Biofuel] Alabama Town's Failed Pension is a Warning (NYT-article)

2010-12-26 Thread Zeke Yewdall
: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michele Stephenson Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2010 11:36 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Alabama Town's Failed Pension is a Warning (NYT-article) For those of you who live in the US an article of interest... For those who live outside looking

Re: [Biofuel] Alabama Town's Failed Pension is a Warning (NYT-article)

2010-12-26 Thread Joe Street
I think the belief persists in the face of facts and reality because reality is something deliberately kept far away from the mind of the believer for one thing, the examination of the truth of that belief system, or facts, is something the average believer is strongly steered away from (and

Re: [Biofuel] Alabama Town's Failed Pension is a Warning (NYT-article)

2010-12-26 Thread Jeromie Reeves
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michele Stephenson Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2010 11:36 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Alabama Town's Failed Pension is a Warning (NYT-article) For those of you who live in the US an article of interest... For those who live

[Biofuel] Alabama Town's Failed Pension is a Warning (NYT-article)

2010-12-23 Thread Michele Stephenson
For those of you who live in the US an article of interest... For those who live outside looking in, it's no big surprise Private Company and Industry pensions plans have all but gone away. The substitute is the 401K that no one is really responsible for except the investor to make the

Re: [Biofuel] Alabama Town's Failed Pension is a Warning (NYT-article)

2010-12-23 Thread Dan Beukelman
get depends on what I contribute. Dan From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michele Stephenson Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2010 11:36 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Alabama Town's Failed Pension is a Warning (NYT-article) For those of you who live in the US