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From: RobT [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 07:02
Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Brazil's ethanol effort
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I would think that even with
port fuel injection this effect may manifest itself in cold weather
conditions. Probably
i guess you could use an e100-powered generator to work the engine/fuel
heater.
(sorry, couldn't resist the sarcasm)
you're right, though, extreme conditions and/or remote locations might
require a different approach. anyway, i don't think anyone was suggesting that
we
abolish all
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I have recently done some reading on the ethanol as a fuel of choice. But it
: RE: [Biofuel] Brazil's ethanol effort
Assuming that the problem in cool conditions is fuel vapourization and
mixture formation, I expect that inlet injection (fairly common now)
would work, and that if it didn't, direct injection would work.
I don't know how ethanol and injection pumps get
couldn't this be readily solved by using a block warmer, or glow plugs?
-chris
In a message dated 6/23/05 8:49:32 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The end result is a liquid puddle of alcohol in the intake manifold of a
cold engine that all vaporizes suddenly as the engine warms up past a
certain
RobT wrote:
I worked as an engineer for the Ford / VW Joint Venture in Brazil about 10
years ago, on the production cars running on pure alcohol (well, not really
pure -- about 96% ethanol / 4% water and junk).
The cheap cars at the time ran single-point, throttle body injector systems.
RobT wrote:
The end result is a liquid puddle of alcohol in the intake manifold of a
cold engine that all vaporizes suddenly as the engine warms up past a
certain point. Difficult to calibrate for, and you end up with rich engine
conditions, stumbling, and high emissions. I would think that
standards.
-- RobT
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Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 12:16 PM
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Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Brazil's ethanol effort
couldn't this be readily solved by using a block
i suppose E85 would eliminate that problem, as suggested by another poster
(was that you?). or a flex-/dual-fuel arrangement, such as in wvo-powered
cars.
a small reserve of E85 could be used in the first few minutes get things
warmed up, and then switch over to pure ethanol.
it also occurs
While you may have your finger on something important here, I don't
see why an electric fuel preheater and high pressure multi port fuel
injection couldn't solve the cold weather vaporization issue
completely.
Unfortunately, those of us who live and work in cold climates do not
always
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Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 10:33 PM
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Brazil's ethanol effort helping lead to oil self-sufficiency
By Marla Dickerson
Los Angeles Times
June 17, 2005
http
Assuming that the problem in cool conditions is fuel vapourization and
mixture formation, I expect that inlet injection (fairly common now)
would work, and that if it didn't, direct injection would work.
I don't know how ethanol and injection pumps get along, but I think that
if there is a
Brazil's ethanol effort helping lead to oil self-sufficiency
By Marla Dickerson
Los Angeles Times
June 17, 2005
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2002339093_brazilfuel17.html
Top producers
2004 ethanol production
(in billions of gallons)
4.0 Brazil
3.4 USA
1.0
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