Re: [Biofuel] Consumers can and will pay more for food

2008-02-29 Thread Chip Mefford
Kirk McLoren wrote: (cpm wrote) -SNIP No. Food outside the corporate stranglehold isn't cheaper, it's more expensive, it's also higher quality, better tasting and considerably healthier. --- 65 cents for Fuji apples and FRESH beats the heck out of corporate distribution in

Re: [Biofuel] Consumers can and will pay more for food

2008-02-27 Thread Chip Mefford
Kirk McLoren wrote: If you want cheaper food you have to break the stranglehold the corporations have on distribution. I'm sorry, but this level of rhetoric is just getting to be too much for me. Cheaper food? You want CHEAPER food? The base food in the US is already so cheap, that folks

Re: [Biofuel] Consumers can and will pay more for food

2008-02-27 Thread Chip Mefford
Chris Burck wrote: artificially low prices and control of distribution are two sides of the same coin. from seed to shelf, the same entities are running the game. i didn't hear anyone suggesting farmer's markets are corporate controlled. No. What was suggested was that 'corporations' have

Re: [Biofuel] Consumers can and will pay more for food

2008-02-27 Thread Chris Burck
artificially low prices and control of distribution are two sides of the same coin. from seed to shelf, the same entities are running the game. i didn't hear anyone suggesting farmer's markets are corporate controlled. On 2/27/08, Chip Mefford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kirk McLoren wrote:

Re: [Biofuel] Consumers can and will pay more for food

2008-02-27 Thread Keith Addison
Hello John As many of us know, the earth's ability to supply resources for 6 billion people has reached it's limit. Now it's which end use these resources are assigned. Food or fuel? More of one means less of the other. We are in decline. Then many of us know wrong. It's not true, and it

Re: [Biofuel] Consumers can and will pay more for food

2008-02-27 Thread Chris Burck
farmer markets are cheaper or more expensivd, depending on the item and time of year. csa packets are actually quite competitive. of course, farmer markets are distribution, and outside of the corporate network. kirk's point was that there aren't enough of them (at least that's how i read it),

Re: [Biofuel] Consumers can and will pay more for food

2008-02-27 Thread Kirk McLoren
Chip Mefford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Chris Burck wrote: artificially low prices and control of distribution are two sides of the same coin. from seed to shelf, the same entities are running the game. i didn't hear anyone suggesting farmer's markets are corporate controlled. No. What

Re: [Biofuel] Consumers can and will pay more for food

2008-02-26 Thread John Mullan
As many of us know, the earth's ability to supply resources for 6 billion people has reached it's limit. Now it's which end use these resources are assigned. Food or fuel? More of one means less of the other. We are in decline. Keith Addison wrote: Brownfield: Ag News of America

Re: [Biofuel] Consumers can and will pay more for food

2008-02-26 Thread Zeke Yewdall
You forgot the third option which is what most of land's productive output is used for nowadays -- industrial feedstocks. If we cut back on that, we'd have alot more for both food and fuel. Z On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 3:54 PM, John Mullan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As many of us know, the

Re: [Biofuel] Consumers can and will pay more for food

2008-02-26 Thread Kirk McLoren
Far from it. The problem is distribution not production. The Fed gvt pays farmers not to plant so that the market isnt glutted. There is an enormous acreage in these programs. If you want cheaper food you have to break the stranglehold the corporations have on distribution. You have to go

[Biofuel] Consumers can and will pay more for food

2008-02-25 Thread Keith Addison
Brownfield: Ag News of America Consumers can and will pay more for food Monday, February 25, 2008, 3:12 PM by Peter Shinn For the past 11 years, the American Farm Bureau Federation has celebrated the fact that Americans generally pay around 10% of their total income for food, the lowest