BlankHi Everyone,
Sorry for the goof on the uspto website address. The right
address is as Hanns said, www.uspto.gov . I guess I was a
little tired at the time, I had read so many things last night.
So please excuse the goof !
If anyone out there has any new info on using soapstock
as a
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From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 11:43 PM
Subject: [biofuel] Ethanol Guzzles Gas, Study Says
http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,46045,00.html
Ethanol Guzzles Gas, Study Says
By Farhad Manjoo
2:00 a.m. Aug. 14
, ignore lie of 'we would
starve without chems'
Inputs to corn would go down even further, I think.
L Miller
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From: Hanns B. Wetzel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 22:02:34 +1000
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [biofuel] Ethanol Guzzles Gas, Study Says
Keith,
You [probably know of this already, but here is an entirely different view
by David Morris.
http://www.carbohydrateeconomy.org/library/admin/uploadedfiles/How_Much_Ener
gy_Does_it_Take_to_Make_a_Gallon_.html
Hanns
Hi Hanns
Thanks, but yes I do know about it. It's here, along with
BlankHi Everyone,
Here is something of interest for all you folks interested
in making and using ethanol in the biodiesel process.
At www.uspto.com under patent number 4,695,411 there
are 12 Examples of different ways to manufacture ethyl
esters from different feedstocks. One Example uses
http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,46045,00.html
Ethanol Guzzles Gas, Study Says
By Farhad Manjoo
2:00 a.m. Aug. 14, 2001 PDT
During the past several months, as lawmakers and energy experts have
warned of a looming energy crisis, one alternative to gasoline that
has been considered
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Subject: Re: [biofuel] Ethanol is a net energy loser~Bigtime
Hanns,
I think you can trust me when I tell you that I am also at the top of the
list in issuing all encompassing phrases and statements.
Not trying to be a snit, but the 345 was a typo, yes?
Anyway, it's been
Anybody could help me in giving different grades of Ethanol.
What are different grades based on concentration like
1. Industrial Grade
2. Fuel Grade
3. Analytical Reagent grade.
4. USP/BP grade
How they are categorized and what basis? Do they based on
concentration.
Is there anything
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Sent: Friday, 10 August 2001 6:06 AM
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Subject: Re: [biofuel] Ethanol is a net energy loser~Bigtime
No doubt ???
Absolutely ?
Correct
Todd
Appal Energy
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No doubt all what professor Pimentel has said is absolutely correct
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Sent: Thursday, 9 August 2001 12:22 AM
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Subject: [biofuel] Ethanol is a net energy loser~Bigtime
http://www.news.cornell.edu/releases/Aug01/corn-basedethanol.hrs.html
[i]Ethanol fuel from corn faulted as 'unsustainable
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Subject: RE: [biofuel] Ethanol is a net energy loser~Bigtime
No doubt all what professor Pimentel has said is absolutely correct. But
in
50 years time when world conventional oil production is down to 17 billion
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Subject: RE: [biofuel] Ethanol is a net energy loser~Bigtime
No doubt all what professor Pimentel has said is absolutely correct. But
in
50 years time when world conventional oil production is down to 17 billion
barrels per day and demand for oil
Quick somebody notify Brazil. Ethanol isnt cost effective.
Cheers,
Cordain
Dulles VA
PS Sorry about the one liner, but if paid enough I can come up with a study
that says are fears of dino-fuel shortage are unjustified. Also global
warming is a myth. Those 80 degree days last december didnt
not inherit the earth from our ancestors,
we borrow it from our children.
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Subject: [biofuel] Ethanol is a net energy loser~Bigtime
http://www.news.cornell.edu/releases/Aug01
http://www.planetark.org/dailynewsstory.cfm?newsid=11596
Planet Ark
Ethanol - California needs it, but can it get it?
USA: July 17, 2001
NEW YORK - A Bush administration decision that opened the door to the
widespread use of the motor fuel additive ethanol in California's
gasoline has
See, the government knows how to run a business.
Thanks for this article, Keith.
Pat McCotter
From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: [biofuel] Ethanol - California needs it, but can it get it?
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 02:40:23
Permit me to dissect this wonderful work of journalism. Actually, the
article is well written, but the premises put forward by the political and
industrial hierarchy are inept.
Concerns are registered that there isn't enough this and there isn't
enough that at present.
Not enough, rail cars, not
and oil company practices.
Faulty reasoning and unsound logic, but it's expedient.
Todd
Appal Energy
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Subject: Re: [biofuel] Ethanol lobby hopes to lock in huge new market
Have a look:
1. CALIFORNIA OUTRAGED
Have a look:
1. CALIFORNIA OUTRAGED
2. ..outraged some environmentalists and
influential politicians, who say that ethanol is not the clean fuel
it is cracked up to be.
3. ..phasing out MTBE use in the next few years because
it may contaminate groundwater
1,2 - It'd interesting how less
http://www.planetark.org/dailynewsstory.cfm?newsid=11543
Planet Ark
Ethanol lobby hopes to lock in huge new market
USA: July 13, 2001
WASHINGTON - Mention ethanol in Washington these days and political
power brokers take notice.
President George W. Bush praises the renewable fuel made from
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
JUNE 13, 2001
Contact:
David Morris, Institute for Local Self-Reliance
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612-379-3815
http://www.ilsr.org/
Rejection of Oxygenate Waiver Should Encourage California to Become a
Major Transportation Fuel Producer
President George W. Bush's denial of
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cc:(bcc: Joseph Martelle/US/GM/GMC)
Subject: RE: [biofuel] Ethanol vs. Methanol
Here where? Joe
Funny, I've priced 200% ethanol here at around $.80 liter.
What gives? I better double check my sources
my sources.
Mike
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From: Ken Provost [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 6:23 PM
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [biofuel] Ethanol vs. Methanol
Really, though, now that we know that ethanol is available why are we
bothering
Really, though, now that we know that ethanol is available why are we
bothering with methanol? I find myself learning with methanol and then
having to switch to ethanol for environmental advantage.
Mike B
Cost, cost, cost. I pay $3.00 a gallon for methanol in small quantities,
others are
Funny, I've priced 200% ethanol here at around $.80 liter.
What gives? I better double check my sources.
Mike
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From: Ken Provost [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 6:23 PM
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [biofuel] Ethanol vs. Methanol
Where are you getting methanol for $3 a gallon? Do you
need a license to buy it?
-Martin Klingensmith
--- Ken Provost [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Really, though, now that we know that ethanol is
available why are we
bothering with methanol? I find myself learning
with methanol and then
Where are you getting methanol for $3 a gallon? Do you
need a license to buy it?
-Martin Klingensmith
Place called Kaeding Racing in Campbell, CA. They offer lots of
stuff for dragsters, sprint cars, etc, including FUEL..
Biofuel at Journey to Forever:
Where are you getting methanol for $3 a gallon? Do you
need a license to buy it?
-Martin Klingensmith
Forgot to mention -- no license required.
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My initial question is to Alex and to anyone else who is using his
two-step process. Is it possible to use 95% or purer ethanol as a reagent
instead of the methanol? I assume that it would have to be very pure to
be successful. I haven't tried it on paper, nor dusted off my rusty
Chemistry skills
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Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 8:58 PM
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Subject: [biofuel] ethanol for older motors
Hi
I have only recently had my eyes open to the idea of making your own
biofuels,
and find this list very interesting
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cc:(bcc: Joseph Martelle/US/GM/GMC)
Subject: [biofuel] Ethanol compression/mileage
Same way as unleaded gas. Use an additive or. . .
Running ethanol in a stocker is a huge waste. The compression should
Grendel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Same way as unleaded gas. Use an additive or. . .
Running ethanol in a stocker is a huge waste. The compression should be
raised to get decent mileage.
I saw photos of an ethanol fueled engine from a taxi with 300k on it.
Looked
like a gasoline engine
: Thursday, May 17, 2001 11:32 PM
Subject: RE: [biofuel] ethanol for older motors
Hi Kirk
Same way as unleaded gas. Use an additive or. . .
Running ethanol in a stocker is a huge waste. The compression should be
raised to get decent mileage.
Also: The absence of lead, which lubricated the valve
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From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 11:32 PM
Subject: RE: [biofuel] ethanol for older motors
Hi Kirk
Same way as unleaded gas. Use an additive
not get to the size it is by efficiency but by massive govt subsidies. Hope
this is of some help.
B.r., David
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Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2001 3:36 PM
Subject: Re: [biofuel] ethanol for older motors
Keith
Hi
I have only recently had my eyes open to the idea of making your own
biofuels,
and find this list very interesting and informative. thanks
I'd like to ask a question regarding using straight ethanol in older
motors,
originally designed for leaded petrol. The lead had a role in
lubricating
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Phillip Paton
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 8:58 PM
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Subject: [biofuel] ethanol for older motors
Hi
I have only recently had my eyes open to the idea of making your own
biofuels,
and find this list very
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Subject: [biofuel] ethanol for older motors
Hi
I have only recently had my eyes open to the idea of making your own
biofuels,
and find this list very interesting and informative. thanks
I'd like to ask
As far as I know, studies show lack of lead only hurts long idling fleet
engines. Many times a machine shop just wants to make extra money inserting
hardened valve seats. Additive sellers just want to sell additive. It might
depend on the make too, some use cheaper iron than others. I dunno how
are the way to go when you do a major overhaul on
the block.
Kirk
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Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 10:32 PM
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [biofuel] ethanol for older motors
Hi Kirk
Same way as unleaded gas. Use
Double check this to be sure Jay because I'm quoting this from memory, but
13.5 to 1 is the recommended compression for ethanol engines.
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To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
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: Thursday, May 17, 2001 11:19 PM
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [biofuel] ethanol for older motors
As far as I know, studies show lack of lead only hurts long idling fleet
engines. Many times a machine shop just wants to make extra money inserting
hardened valve seats. Additive sellers
Might there be a way to combine ethanol and biodiesel such that the
result could be used in gasoline engines?
Any thoughts?
-Brian E.
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Keth Addison writes:
Did you use Mathewson's ratio of 35lb of
lime per gallon of water to be removed?
Yup, just like he said.
Quicklime used to be the
standard article, but now it's more or less been replaced by hydrated
lime - easier to use and safer, I guess. Which makes quicklime hard
to
I got a response from Charmaine Taylor, who knows everything about lime.
Quicklime is tough to get by the average Joe or Jolene. SInce it can
burn skin and is HIGHLY reactive to moisture ( eyes nose etc) it is kept
away from folks. However in minaing areas of production ( NV, AZ maybe
or in the
Okay, lemme ask again:
- Anyone out there making their own fuel ethanol?
- Is anyone succeeding in making ethyl esters?
- Is anyone managing to make anhydrous ethanol on a small scale?
Any yes answers, PLEASE tell us all about it.
Best
Keith Addison
Journey to Forever
Handmade Projects
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Subject: [biofuel] Ethanol Distillation
I have been looking at a product for distilling ethanol (a solvent
recovery unit) and am not enough of an engineer to tell if it will work -
the salesman assures me it will. See the unit
I have been looking at a product for distilling ethanol (a solvent recovery
unit) and am not enough of an engineer to tell if it will work - the salesman
assures me it will. See the unit at www.rescience.com. His name is Tome Graves
([EMAIL PROTECTED]).
Can any of you people tell me more? If
My car is not a FFV (flexible fuel vehicle) and I was wondering if anyone
knows on a Fuel Injected engine what the modifications would be in order to
make it run on E-85.
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race magazines carry these.
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Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2001 2:40 PM
Subject: [biofuel] Ethanol conversion on FE engine
My car
Any one out there got an easy efficient way to come up with the juices to
distill ethanol from?
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leftover unsaleable rot from a florida fruit farm comes to mind.
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Sent: Monday, February 12, 2001 10:57 AM
Subject: [biofuel] ethanol
Any one out there got an easy efficient way to come up with the juices
To Terry:
Some small companies have started to produce biodiesel in Estonia and their
business is economically viable, since we have no excise tax for biodiesel
here, only 18 % VAT.
One small company is producing biodiesel for boilers from fish processing
industry's waste frying oils and this
Hi,
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Just a thought, if 90% ethanol was mixed with
gasoline,and a water
trap/filter such as on diesel engines, why would
that not work?
thanks gaw
The water/alcohol and gas will seperate. The trap
will overfill with al/ water then just pass
the
Found this in a newsgroupcould someone verify it's accuracy?
ENERGY AND DOLLAR COSTS OF ETHANOL PRODUCTION WITH CORN
by David Pimentel
Introduction
Ethanol does not provide energy security for the future. It is not a
renewable energy source, is costly in terms of production and
http://www.sustainableenergy.org/temp/RFA_release.htm
P R E S S R E L E A S E
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Contact: Monte
ShawJanuary 25, 2001
202-289-3835
Ethanol
http://www.jsonline.com:80/news/state/jan01/ethanol12011101a.asp
Ethanol proposal fuels outcry, too
Dodge County neighbors fear smell, traffic at gas additive plant
By MEG JONES
of the Journal Sentinel staff
Last Updated: Jan. 11, 2001
An Onalaska firm wants to build an ethanol plant in
and also that much more likely to be successful.
B.r., David
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From: Benjamin Dilworth [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: Monday, December 04, 2000 5:35 AM
Subject: [biofuel] Ethanol
I have been looking for some easy recipes to make my
Ben,
Can I add to Keith and David's useful advice just one point.
It is a rewarding experience to check to progress of your mashing
(liquefaction and saccharification) by testing for starch content. This is
really easy: just take a small sample (a gramme or so) and dissolve in a
clear plastic
I have been looking for some easy recipes to make my own ethanol, without much
luck. I have an excess of cull potatoes here on the farm though, it doesn't
look like they yield too well. I also raise corn, wheat, and have feed grade
molasses that I get pretty cheap. From what I have found of
Hi I'm having a project about Ethanol/Methanol and I'm looking for
some information about the posibilities about ethanol or methanol
fuel replacing the ordinary fuel
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Subject: [biofuel] ethanol trials and tribulations
being new to this site altho i have been lurking for some time, i
find myself in need of guidance and help.
a few of months past i started searching the web for information on
ethanol and biodiesel from sawdust for the usual
: [biofuel] ethanol trials and tribulations
being new to this site altho i have been lurking
for some time, i
find myself in need of guidance and help.
a few of months past i started searching the web
for information on
ethanol and biodiesel from sawdust for the usual
reasons plus the
fact i have
Keith,
I know
nothing about quasi-portable ethanol plants using acid, catalyst and steam
treatment in globe shaped pressure vessels to obtain sugars but virtually
all the successful processes so far use a combination of these systems to
acheive success with variable results. At the end of
Dear List,
I am looking at running two engines from ethanol, including a VW 1600cc
(aircooled) and MB 2500cc (water cooled) - both 60s technology. Has anyone
within the group converted such engines for running on 100% ethanol, or can
anyone direct me to a contact ?? (Brazilian maybe ?).
Keep
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Subject: [biofuel] Ethanol Powered Engines
Dear List,
I am looking at running two engines from ethanol, including a VW 1600cc
(aircooled) and MB 2500cc (water cooled) - both 60s technology. Has anyone
within the group
Dear List,
I am looking at running two engines from ethanol, including a VW 1600cc
(aircooled) and MB 2500cc (water cooled) - both 60s technology. Has anyone
within the group converted such engines for running on 100% ethanol, or can
anyone direct me to a contact ?? (Brazilian maybe ?).
Keep up
has anyone had experience with using day old bread as a source for
conversion and how is the bread treated? perhaps as the same weight
as grain. how about cooking? aas you can tell i am new at this but i
do have a good source for cheap bread.
Before getting too involved with the chemistry of
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To: biofuel@egroups.com
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2000 9:18 AM
Subject: [biofuel] Ethanol production
has anyone had experience with using day old bread as a source for
conversion and how is the bread treated? perhaps as the same weight
as grain. how about cooking? aas
over
300 of theseover the years.
Robert Warren
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Subject: Re: [biofuel] Ethanol production
Global Energies wrote:
Hi, This is my first post so I hope it comes
through ok.
I have
has anyone had experience with using day old bread as a source for
conversion and how is the bread treated? perhaps as the same weight
as grain. how about cooking? aas you can tell i am new at this but i
do have a good source for cheap bread.
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Subject: [biofuel] ethanol production
is better still).
Stir it a well every couple of days, and let it go
a week or so (longer if it is winter time).
Good luck,
Robert Warren
journeytoforever.org
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Subject: [biofuel] ethanol
stirrers for paint are available, they are long.
Robert Warren wrote:
Yes, I have done this. The sad thing is that
it
reqally fools you into thinking you have a huge
quantity of bread and will get a lot of fuel, but
bread s high volume and low weight. It is pure
carbohydrate, though, so it does
http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biodiesel_ethanol.htm
Thanks to friend Aleks for digging this one up.
Conversion of rapeseed oil into ethyl esters for use as Biodiesel fuel
involves transesterification of the oil triglycerides to mono-esters of the
component fatty acids. To accomplish this
I have recently discovered that ethanol can be produced from paper,
What is the greenest method of extraction?
What are the yields of ethanol from paper?
finally I'm from New Zealand and was wondering is there anyone into
home production here that I can contact?
Thank You
Hi, I have just started looking into making ethanol, as UK
gasoline prices are about £3.70/gallon $5.80 USD/USGAL due
to a robbing Government that wastes taxes.
I would like to know if I can use just sugar (sucrose) and water, I
dont need solids do I? I thought just sugar, yeast, water and
drinking it and your
car cant catch a cold.
Good luck and we hoppe you will soon become energy
independant.
Robert Warren
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To: biofuel@egroups.com
Sent: October 4, 2000 2:07:18 PM GMT
Subject: [biofuel] Ethanol production and use
Does anyone know if and how you can make ethanol from cellulose, in
particularly cotton and cotton waste products such as gin waste and
textile mill waste?
Thanks,
Sam
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to make high proof
alcohol.
Regards,
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Sent: September 17, 2000 4:17:42 AM GMT
Subject: [biofuel] ethanol from plums
I'm interested in making ethanol from plums
because I have access
the environment is important to protect, considering that we humans are the
ones screwing with it in the first place. if you can't get a liscence,
produce it illegally, or even better, tell a lot of people about the
benifits. put out a leaflet as part of your paper on alternative energy,
making
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Date: Tuesday, August 29, 2000 1:14 PM
Subject: [biofuel] Ethanol
I live in Wstern Australia and have read with a great deal of
interest your information on Ethanol and Biodiesel. I am at present
doing a certificate in renewable energy and found myself
Has anyone tryed drying eth by reverse osmosis?
Where I worked before we used a small CHRIST unit for water
deionification (we needed very pure water, not even ions were
allowed). Such units are easy to operate - there are only cartridges
to change and oil to look after in the pump. If you
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