Re: [Biofuel] Eyeless in Gaza

2009-01-15 Thread Keith Addison
Hi Robert Keith Addison wrote: (The power of Pro-Israel . . .) I know how powerful it is (though I wouldn't call it sentiment). You don't have to be living in the US to have direct experience of it. I've also been posting messages here on the waning of it's influence, and the rise of opposition

Re: [Biofuel] Eyeless in Gaza

2009-01-15 Thread robert and Benita
Keith Addison wrote: (Advocating mushroom clouds) :-( Who knows, if they use enough nukes they might even get to make the world flat again (not that it was ever any other way of course). The problem with intransigence is that desperately clinging to an untenable position seems

Re: [Biofuel] Eyeless in Gaza

2009-01-14 Thread fox mulder
: Re: [Biofuel] Eyeless in Gaza Friedrich Friesinger wrote: Roberto, And still there is an other small difference,Niagra-falls is not besieged and more so not for 60 Years and no US American stole the Land of the Niagrans I think the Mohawks might disagree

Re: [Biofuel] Eyeless in Gaza

2009-01-14 Thread robert and Benita
fox mulder wrote: What an evil thought,justifying the genocide in Gaza by extropolating it to the wild mid-west of America. I don't think anyone here is doing that. Also, the Niagara region is along New York's border with Ontario. Most people consider the mid-west to begin on the

Re: [Biofuel] Eyeless in Gaza

2009-01-14 Thread Keith Addison
Hi Robert Keith Addison wrote: snip When asked if he would say the same in Israel today, Obama said, I think that's a basic principle of any country is that they've got to protect their citizens. (Obama: Gitmo Likely Won't Close in First 100 Days ABC News) There we go! So much for

Re: [Biofuel] Eyeless in Gaza

2009-01-14 Thread Keith Addison
Hi again Robert snip Is there a way out of this that doesn't involve mushroom clouds? I hope so, but I don't see it! Same answer IMHO as Chomsky's answer to the other question: It's up to you. With the American political establishment firmly behind Israel's attack, and Obama's foreign

Re: [Biofuel] Eyeless in Gaza

2009-01-14 Thread Keith Addison
... Israel can't continue its military action without at least a tacit green light from Washington. Washington can give that green light only as long as the American public raises no serious objection. The public here isn't likely to object as long as the basic plotline of Middle East news

Re: [Biofuel] Eyeless in Gaza

2009-01-14 Thread Hakan Falk
Keith, I just want to add to your answers. Nobody does even remotely associate Christ with Israel, who clearly denies that he ever existed as the sun of God. In this case the Muslims are closer to the Christians than the Jews. It is not that important, because all religions condemns what has

Re: [Biofuel] Eyeless in Gaza

2009-01-14 Thread robert and Benita
Keith Addison wrote: Hi again Robert snip With the American political establishment firmly behind Israel's attack, and Obama's foreign policy team heavily weighted with pro-Israel insiders like Dennis Ross and Hillary Clinton, any efforts to hold Israel accountable in the United States

Re: [Biofuel] Eyeless in Gaza

2009-01-14 Thread Keith Addison
Hello Robert Keith Addison wrote: Hi again Robert snip With the American political establishment firmly behind Israel's attack, and Obama's foreign policy team heavily weighted with pro-Israel insiders like Dennis Ross and Hillary Clinton, any efforts to hold Israel accountable in the

Re: [Biofuel] Eyeless in Gaza

2009-01-14 Thread robert and Benita
Keith Addison wrote: (The power of Pro-Israel . . .) I know how powerful it is (though I wouldn't call it sentiment). You don't have to be living in the US to have direct experience of it. I've also been posting messages here on the waning of it's influence, and the rise of opposition to it,

Re: [Biofuel] Eyeless in Gaza

2009-01-13 Thread Keith Addison
Also: The First Mistake: Barack Obama's Silence on Gaza By Ru Freeman Seven years ago, another American president took the sympathy of the world and transformed it into hatred. Just two months ago, Barack Obama won it back on the backs of ordinary Americans. Today he stands on the brink of

Re: [Biofuel] Eyeless in Gaza

2009-01-13 Thread Keith Addison
http://www.progressive.org/mag/avnery011109.html Israel Is Losing This War BY URI AVNERY, JANUARY 11, 2009 NEARLY SEVENTY YEARS ago, in the course of World War II, a heinous crime was committed in the city of Leningrad. For more than a thousand days, a gang of extremists called the Red Army

Re: [Biofuel] Eyeless in Gaza

2009-01-13 Thread Keith Addison
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article21739.htm The Generous Offer Update: Two Years of Starvation Followed by Fire-bombing By Mike Whitney January 13, 2009 Information Clearinghouse -- Apart from the slaughter of 900 Palestinians and the vast destruction from 14 days of aerial

Re: [Biofuel] Eyeless in Gaza

2009-01-13 Thread robert and Benita
Keith Addison wrote: snip When asked if he would say the same in Israel today, Obama said, I think that's a basic principle of any country is that they've got to protect their citizens. (Obama: Gitmo Likely Won't Close in First 100 Days ABC News) There we go! So much for change!

Re: [Biofuel] Eyeless in Gaza

2009-01-11 Thread Keith Addison
Hi Robert, Friedrich Friedrich Friesinger wrote: Roberto, And still there is an other small difference,Niagra-falls is not besieged and more so not for 60 Years and no US American stole the Land of the Niagrans I think the Mohawks might disagree with that . . . There is a miserable

Re: [Biofuel] Eyeless in Gaza

2009-01-11 Thread bmolloy
. And with robots you can always blame the computer. The mind boggles. Bob. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Keith Addison Sent: Saturday, 10 January 2009 11:37 p.m. To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Eyeless in Gaza Considering

Re: [Biofuel] Eyeless in Gaza

2009-01-11 Thread Jason Mier
the people might be getting the government we deserve, but just be glad we're not getting the government we pay for... My mother likes to say: The people get the government they deserve. But I keep wondering what I've done to deserve THIS! robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice The Long

Re: [Biofuel] Eyeless in Gaza

2009-01-10 Thread Keith Addison
Thank you, Keith. You're welcome Bob. I was unaware of the natural gas angle. So was I. Not that it explains this savagery, as if anything could, but it helps - energy, money, ah. How can anyone watching Gaza burn escape the bitter realization that history repeats itself? Many have compared

Re: [Biofuel] Eyeless in Gaza

2009-01-10 Thread Keith Addison
Hi Robert Keith Addison wrote: Noting that Israel was bent on halting Hamas rocket fire into its southern towns, Reid said: I ask any of my colleagues to imagine that happening here in the United States. Rockets and mortars coming from Toronto in Canada, into Buffalo New York. How would we as a

Re: [Biofuel] Eyeless in Gaza

2009-01-10 Thread Keith Addison
Considering current mayhem in the world and where most of it stems from, whether officially or via weapons supplies and/or support and encouragement, would one say this is the road to worldwide peace, as this writer so blithely proclaims? I don't think it would take a lot of fingers to count

Re: [Biofuel] Eyeless in Gaza

2009-01-10 Thread robert and Benita
Friedrich Friesinger wrote: Roberto, And still there is an other small difference,Niagra-falls is not besieged and more so not for 60 Years and no US American stole the Land of the Niagrans I think the Mohawks might disagree with that . . . There is a miserable failure to the

Re: [Biofuel] Eyeless in Gaza

2009-01-10 Thread robert and Benita
Keith Addison wrote: ( I wonder if these people are actually THINKING!) If they are it must be more of a gastric process than cerebral, once you get down to the bowels of it, so to speak. Ha! THAT'S funny! (The more things change . . . ) It's what Chomsky said about the election

Re: [Biofuel] Eyeless in Gaza

2009-01-10 Thread Friedrich Friesinger
??? (www:hiddenfromhistory.org) Fritz -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of robert and Benita Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 9:06 PM To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Eyeless in Gaza Friedrich Friesinger wrote: Roberto

Re: [Biofuel] Eyeless in Gaza

2009-01-09 Thread robert and Benita
Keith Addison wrote: Noting that Israel was bent on halting Hamas rocket fire into its southern towns, Reid said: I ask any of my colleagues to imagine that happening here in the United States. Rockets and mortars coming from Toronto in Canada, into Buffalo New York. How would we as a country

Re: [Biofuel] Eyeless in Gaza

2009-01-09 Thread Friedrich Friesinger
To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Eyeless in Gaza Keith Addison wrote: Noting that Israel was bent on halting Hamas rocket fire into its southern towns, Reid said: I ask any of my colleagues to imagine that happening here in the United States. Rockets and mortars

Re: [Biofuel] Eyeless in Gaza

2009-01-09 Thread bmolloy
Thank you, Keith. I was unaware of the natural gas angle. It also seems the New York Times and the Toronto Sun are finally facing up to reality. See below. Israel's fait accompli in Gaza By Eric S. Margolis There are two completely different versions of what is currently happening in Gaza. In

Re: [Biofuel] Eyeless in Gaza

2009-01-08 Thread fox mulder
Hi all, I hope there is a speck of humanity in some of us. Your president approves it on TV and blames the whole genocide on Hamas that has no military identity. Hamas is only a political organisation that was elected by the people of the land. Ask the ordinary israelies. They would tell you that

Re: [Biofuel] Eyeless in Gaza

2009-01-08 Thread bmolloy
] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of fox mulder Sent: Friday, 9 January 2009 2:43 a.m. To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Eyeless in Gaza Hi all, I hope there is a speck of humanity in some of us. Your president approves it on TV and blames the whole genocide

Re: [Biofuel] Eyeless in Gaza

2009-01-08 Thread Keith Addison
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article21670.htm Gaza Catastrophe: Resource Conflict? Natural Gas, Palestinian Elections, and Israel's Subversion of the 'Peace Process' By Nafeez Mosaddeq Ahmed January 07, 2009 Information Clearinghouse -- Israel claims it is fighting in Gaza to

Re: [Biofuel] Eyeless in Gaza

2009-01-08 Thread Keith Addison
Unprecedented Numbers of Americans Question Israel's Actions in Gaza By Max Blumenthal, Huffington Post Posted on January 6, 2009 http://www.alternet.org/story/117568/ Have Bush and the Neocons Ruined it for the Israelis? By Juan Cole January 06, 2009 Information Clearinghouse

Re: [Biofuel] Eyeless in Gaza

2009-01-07 Thread Keith Addison
To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Eyeless in Gaza bmolloy wrote: Keith, I realise our main focus is biofuel but nevertheless I am grieved that no-one has seen fit to at least comment on the ongoing genocide in Gaza. Are we now one-eyed, or worse, eyeless

Re: [Biofuel] Eyeless in Gaza

2009-01-07 Thread Keith Addison
Hi Bob Keith, I realise our main focus is biofuel but nevertheless I am grieved that no-one has seen fit to at least comment on the ongoing genocide in Gaza. Uh, we just did... It's happened so many times before, but instead of becoming indifferent to it it seems the outrage has

Re: [Biofuel] Eyeless in Gaza

2009-01-07 Thread Ivan Menchero
2009 20:17:08 +0900 To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Eyeless in Gaza Hello Ivan and all I think the deal for the Palestinians is shitty to say the least, but that is how live goes But on every part of the world, when you poke a finger

Re: [Biofuel] Eyeless in Gaza

2009-01-07 Thread Keith Addison
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Eyeless in Gaza Hello Ivan and all I think the deal for the Palestinians is shitty to say the least, but that is how live goes But on every part of the world, when you poke a finger in somebody, much bigger than you, right

Re: [Biofuel] Eyeless in Gaza

2009-01-07 Thread francisco_ramos
@sustainablelists.org Cópia: Data: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 01:09:11 +0900 Assunto: Re: [Biofuel] Eyeless in Gaza I said they have a shity hand so are the Saharawis with UN resolution and all, the Dafurians and they have much more deaths, Tibetans and Weigers in Shinjian, and on and on so yes, poor

Re: [Biofuel] Eyeless in Gaza

2009-01-07 Thread Keith Addison
@sustainablelists.org Cópia: Data: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 01:09:11 +0900 Assunto: Re: [Biofuel] Eyeless in Gaza I said they have a shity hand so are the Saharawis with UN resolution and all, the Dafurians and they have much more deaths, Tibetans and Weigers in Shinjian, and on and on so yes, poor them

Re: [Biofuel] Eyeless in Gaza

2009-01-07 Thread Keith Addison
That's as much arguing as I'll be doing over Gaza. I'll discuss it, but I don't have the time to waste arguing with people who, whether through prejudice genuine or implanted or sheer neglect, can't be bothered to get their facts right first. Yes, the media spin is severe (eg

Re: [Biofuel] Eyeless in Gaza

2009-01-07 Thread bmolloy
2009 2:02 a.m. To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Eyeless in Gaza I said they have a shity hand so are the Saharawis with UN resolution and all, the Dafurians and they have much more deaths, Tibetans and Weigers in Shinjian, and on and on so yes, poor them

[Biofuel] Eyeless in Gaza

2009-01-06 Thread bmolloy
Keith, I realise our main focus is biofuel but nevertheless I am grieved that no-one has seen fit to at least comment on the ongoing genocide in Gaza. Are we now one-eyed, or worse, eyeless? Regards, Bob. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL:

Re: [Biofuel] Eyeless in Gaza

2009-01-06 Thread robert and Benita
bmolloy wrote: Keith, I realise our main focus is biofuel but nevertheless I am grieved that no-one has seen fit to at least comment on the ongoing genocide in Gaza. Are we now one-eyed, or worse, eyeless? No. You're not the only one who is grieving over this. I get a

Re: [Biofuel] Eyeless in Gaza

2009-01-06 Thread Ivan Menchero
-- From: robert and Benita [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 5:39 AM To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Eyeless in Gaza bmolloy wrote: Keith, I realise our main focus is biofuel but nevertheless I am grieved