Re: [Biofuel] Steam hybrid from BMW to enter market with 'Turbosteamer'

2005-12-17 Thread dwoodard
For kilowatts, multiply horsepower by 0.746. (from memory, may not be dead accurate but will be pretty close) Such a combined cycle diesel should be especially useful for diesel vehicles and given the weight of the battery and the lack of need for extra transmission the additional weight should

Re: [Biofuel] Steam hybrid from BMW to enter market with 'Turbosteamer'

2005-12-17 Thread David Miller
Joe Acquisto wrote: Zeke Yewdall[EMAIL PROTECTED] 12/16/05 3:01 PM Although it doesn't specify, I would suspect that this is a turbine design, not a piston design. I've seen a 30kW steam turbine that wasn't much larger than an AC compressor for a car. Add a heat exhanger in

Re: [Biofuel] Steam hybrid from BMW to enter market with 'Turbosteamer'

2005-12-17 Thread Zeke Yewdall
I can't remember whether 30kW was the mechanical or electrical kW, but they should be close at any rate. But the bigger problem is that I can't remember who had it. Some one had put it on the roof of the engineering building, operating from steam venting from the building heating system. But I

Re: [Biofuel] Steam hybrid from BMW to enter market with 'Turbosteamer'

2005-12-16 Thread David Kramer
PSC Steam assist 'hybrid' technology from BMW recovering 80% of exhaust heat PSC from ICE adds 15% to fuel economy: PSC The concept uses energy from the PSC exhaust gasses of the traditional Internal Combustion Engine (ICE) to power PSC a steam engine which also contributes power to the

Re: [Biofuel] Steam hybrid from BMW to enter market with 'Turbosteamer'

2005-12-16 Thread Paul S Cantrell
On 12/16/05, David Kramer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wouldn't such a steam engine increase the weight of the vehicleand thereby the amount of energy needed to drive it?DavidDavid, Yes I would think so, too. I would have expected more of a 'boost' to fuel economy than 15%. It must add some weight.

Re: [Biofuel] Steam hybrid from BMW to enter market with 'Turbosteamer'

2005-12-16 Thread Zeke Yewdall
Although it doesn't specify, I would suspect that this is a turbine design, not a piston design. I've seen a 30kW steam turbine that wasn't much larger than an AC compressor for a car. Add a heat exhanger in the exhaust manifold, and it could be quite compact. Of course it was also noisy enough

Re: [Biofuel] Steam hybrid from BMW to enter market with 'Turbosteamer'

2005-12-16 Thread Darryl McMahon
The other issue that occurs to me is that the steam power portion presumably produces no useful power until the main ICE engine is up to heat. For many commuters, this would comprise a very small portion of the total trip. Is it worth carrying the extra weight and complexity for vehicles

Re: [Biofuel] Steam hybrid from BMW to enter market with 'Turbosteamer'

2005-12-16 Thread Joe Acquisto
Zeke Yewdall[EMAIL PROTECTED] 12/16/05 3:01 PM Although it doesn't specify, I would suspect that this is a turbine design, not a piston design. I've seen a 30kW steam turbine that wasn't much larger than an AC compressor for a car. Add a heat exhanger in the exhaust manifold, and it could be

Re: [Biofuel] Steam hybrid from BMW to enter market with 'Turbosteamer'

2005-12-16 Thread David Miller
Paul S Cantrell wrote: On 12/16/05, *David Kramer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wouldn't such a steam engine increase the weight of the vehicle and thereby the amount of energy needed to drive it? David David, Yes I would think so, too. I would have

[Biofuel] Steam hybrid from BMW to enter market with 'Turbosteamer'

2005-12-15 Thread Paul S Cantrell
Steam assist 'hybrid' technology from BMW recovering 80% of exhaust heat from ICE adds 15% to fuel economy: URL: http://www.gizmag.com/go/4936/ BMW unveils the turbosteamer concept December 14, 2005 A large percentage of the energy released when petroleum is burned disappears out the exhaust