Re: [Biofuel] The bad news about Biodiesel

2005-11-26 Thread Keith Addison
@sustainablelists.org To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] The bad news about Biodiesel Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 17:51:30 +0900 Hello Jim See below... I saw an article in the Trader's Dispatch ( an agricultural paper printed in Valier Montana) that made me wonder who will win the race

Re: [Biofuel] The bad news about Biodiesel

2005-11-25 Thread Zeke Yewdall
The studies I have read indicated that their were concerns about the genetically modified algae that they had developed to produce biodiesel, and also about the hardiness of the biodiesel (or oil rather) producing algae. The US DOE wrote a 250 page study on it, which I can't seem to find right

Re: [Biofuel] The bad news about Biodiesel

2005-11-25 Thread Mike Weaver
You're right about the farmland issue being a red herring - my family was in the wheat growing business forever and the gov't used to pay us not to do anything (Look up the PIK program) Ultimately despite record wheat harvests almost yearly it was a maginal business at best and we sold the

Re: [Biofuel] The bad news about Biodiesel

2005-11-25 Thread Mike Weaver
See: Toxic Sludge is Good for You on Amazon Keith Addison wrote: Hello John, Sten and all While I agree that biofuels need to be done sustainably in the long term (as does virtually everyone on this list I'd guess), but this series of articles smells like astroturfing to me. Thanks

Re: [Biofuel] The bad news about Biodiesel

2005-11-25 Thread Terry Dyck
[EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] The bad news about Biodiesel Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 17:51:30 +0900 Hello Jim See below... I saw an article in the Trader's Dispatch ( an agricultural paper printed in Valier Montana

Re: [Biofuel] The bad news about Biodiesel

2005-11-25 Thread Mike Weaver
Warming is a bigger issue than using too much land for growing crops for Bio Fuel. Terry Dyck From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] The bad news about Biodiesel Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 17:51:30 +0900 Hello

Re: [Biofuel] The bad news about Biodiesel -- in France

2005-11-24 Thread Frantz DESPREZ
john owens a écrit : What I would like to know is why these big biodiesel companys in europe that are sabose to be ahead in the biodiesel industry haven't started using algae to produce biodiesel. This is taken from wikipedia biodiesel http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biodiesel /The

Re: [Biofuel] The bad news about Biodiesel

2005-11-24 Thread Mehmet Ersan
Yes John as you have said thereis not a company that specified on biodiesel production from algea. I heard that large farms must be needed to product yeald. May be its not true.. but i could not find a good internet address about this production style. On 11/24/05, john owens [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [Biofuel] The bad news about Biodiesel

2005-11-24 Thread Keith Addison
Hello John, Sten and all While I agree that biofuels need to be done sustainably in the long term (as does virtually everyone on this list I'd guess), but this series of articles smells like astroturfing to me. Thanks for the sourcewatch link. Denis Avery and son Alex do nothing but

[Biofuel] The bad news about Biodiesel

2005-11-24 Thread john owens
Thanks for the link frantz. Yes John as you have said there is not a company that specified on biodieselproduction from algea. I heard that large farms must be needed to productyeald. May be its not true.. but i could not find a good internet address about this production style. Here is a

Re: [Biofuel] The bad news about Biodiesel

2005-11-23 Thread Evergreen Solutions
Unless I completely misunderstand some things, it should be very possible to get a good complete reaction in around 3 hrs. Using sulfuric, centrifuges, and mostly clean or pre-titrated wvo. Now, a better question in my mind is this: Who is going to make the bigger splash: those people inviting

Re: [Biofuel] The bad news about Biodiesel

2005-11-23 Thread Sten Armstrong
and other bad news: Forests paying the price for biofuelshttp://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=mg18825265.400feedId=online-news_rss20http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=mg18825265.400feedId=online-news_rss20 * 22 November 2005 * NewScientist.com news service * Fred PearceTHE drive for

[Biofuel] The bad news about Biodiesel

2005-11-23 Thread Keith Addison
Hello Jim See below... I saw an article in the Trader's Dispatch ( an agricultural paper printed in Valier Montana) that made me wonder who will win the race. First some background: The paper showed a vendor of one of these super duper biodiesel automatic generators showing a crowd that included

Re: [Biofuel] The bad news about Biodiesel

2005-11-23 Thread John Hayes
Sten Armstrong wrote: and other bad news: Forests paying the price for biofuels http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=mg18825265.400feedId=online-news * 22 November 2005 * NewScientist.com news service * Fred Pearce THE drive for green energy in the developed world is having the

[Biofuel] The bad news about Biodiesel

2005-11-23 Thread john owens
What I would like to know is why these big biodiesel companys in europe that are sabose to be ahead inthe biodiesel industryhaven't started using algae to produce biodiesel. This is taken from wikipedia biodiesel http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biodiesel The production of algae to harvest oil for

[Biofuel] The bad news about Biodiesel

2005-11-22 Thread JJJN
I saw an article in the Trader's Dispatch ( an agricultural paper printed in Valier Montana) that made me wonder who will win the race. First some background: The paper showed a vendor of one of these super duper biodiesel automatic generators showing a crowd that included the State Governor