Re: [Biofuel] Yale Environment 360: Solar Shingles Made from Common Metals Offer Cheaper Energy Option

2015-02-15 Thread Chris Burck
P.S. -- Sorry folks, I didn't see what auto correct was doing. That's supposed to be *shingles*, not singles. . . . -- ¡Ay, Pachamamita! ¡Eres la cosa más bonita! ___ Sustainablelorgbiofuel mailing list

Re: [Biofuel] Yale Environment 360: Solar Shingles Made from Common Metals Offer Cheaper Energy Option

2015-02-15 Thread Chris Burck
Yes, I realize solar singles have been around for a while. Almost a decade now. But until only pretty recently, they were quite expensive in comparison to conventional PV panels. Using coal as a cost benchmark is capricious and arbitrary. When paying our coal-generated electricity bill, is the

Re: [Biofuel] Yale Environment 360: Solar Shingles Made from Common Metals Offer Cheaper Energy Option

2015-02-15 Thread Zeke Yewdall
The whole cost effective test is quite odd. Why is that always the measure of whether solar is worth doing? No one ever asks this about other things. Is having a child cost effective? How about going to a concert? Even for other buying decisions it is rarely asked. Is a dishwasher cost

Re: [Biofuel] Yale Environment 360: Solar Shingles Made from Common Metals Offer Cheaper Energy Option

2015-02-15 Thread Thomas Kelly
Interesting weave developing to the term being competitive w. coal. First: a ridiculous benchmark ... causing artificial inertia. Then: using coal as a benchmark being arbitrary and capricious Then: the notion that cost effectiveness is only applied to solar. 1. If the inertia initially

Re: [Biofuel] Yale Environment 360: Solar Shingles Made from Common Metals Offer Cheaper Energy Option

2015-02-14 Thread Tom
Shingles Made from Common Metals Offer Cheaper Energy Option http://e360.yale.edu/digest/solar_shingles_made_from__common_metals_offer_cheaper_energy_option/3600/ e360 digest 22 Aug 2012: Solar Shingles Made from Common Metals Offer Cheaper Energy Option U.S. scientists say that emerging

Re: [Biofuel] Yale Environment 360: Solar Shingles Made from Common Metals Offer Cheaper Energy Option

2015-02-14 Thread Darryl McMahon
@lists.sustainablelists.org Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] Yale Environment 360: Solar Shingles Made from Common Metals Offer Cheaper Energy Option http://e360.yale.edu/digest/solar_shingles_made_from__common_metals_offer_cheaper_energy_option/3600/ e360 digest 22 Aug 2012

Re: [Biofuel] Yale Environment 360: Solar Shingles Made from Common Metals Offer Cheaper Energy Option

2015-02-14 Thread Chris Burck
All well and good. Of course, we need them now, and would have them by now if this ridiculous benchmark of being competitive with coal weren't causing artificial inertia. -- ¡Ay, Pachamamita! ¡Eres la cosa más bonita! ___ Sustainablelorgbiofuel

Re: [Biofuel] Yale Environment 360: Solar Shingles Made from Common Metals Offer Cheaper Energy Option

2015-02-14 Thread Thomas Kelly
Solar shingles have been available for years; Dow's Powerhouse line since about 2005. see Article in Scientific America 2013: http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/im-getting-my-roof-redone-and-heard-about-solar-shingles/ The first solar shingles were often more difficult to install

Re: [Biofuel] Yale Environment 360: Solar Shingles Made from Common Metals Offer Cheaper Energy Option

2015-02-14 Thread Darryl McMahon
The devil is in the details, but I expect the Tesla house-battery will be excellent for PV storage and micro-cogeneration. Most off-grid houses (in my limited experience) seem to have about 10 to 20 kWh of storage. The smallest Tesla car pack so far is 65 kWh. Assuming the house-batteries

Re: [Biofuel] Yale Environment 360: Solar Shingles Made from Common Metals Offer Cheaper Energy Option

2015-02-14 Thread Zeke Yewdall
The dow shingles have fairly limited distribution from what can tell. They are only selling them to roofers here in Colorado, not to solar installers -- so despite having all of the various solar certifications, I cannot sell them. Definitely not selling them retail to DIY folks. Needless to

[Biofuel] Yale Environment 360: Solar Shingles Made from Common Metals Offer Cheaper Energy Option

2015-02-13 Thread Darryl McMahon
http://e360.yale.edu/digest/solar_shingles_made_from__common_metals_offer_cheaper_energy_option/3600/ e360 digest 22 Aug 2012: Solar Shingles Made from Common Metals Offer Cheaper Energy Option U.S. scientists say that emerging photovoltaic technologies will enable the production of solar