xmission.com does not acknowledge that that URL exists.
Fred
On Wednesday, Nov 26, 2003, at 14:02 US/Eastern, Dan Maker wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
Is anyone making progress on the reliability of this process, or
defining
the source oils that are easiest to crack with ethanol?
Will
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
xmission.com does not acknowledge that that URL exists.
Fred
Fred,
No, I moved it to a different name after there were some conserns about
the content.
I'll email off list with a good URL.
Dan
--
Jack of all trades, master of none.
Fiber Artist - Genealogist -
Ken Provost said:
Yes, I'm sure. If you got NO ethoxide ion, you'd get
no biodiesel. Ethanol will neither esterify nor trans-
esterify directly with oil, soap, or FFAs under alkaline
conditions -- only after ionization. Really clean oil
and really dry ethanol will make fine biodiesel
same with me, IRC will speed up your typing dramatically!!
James Slayden
On Wed, 26 Nov 2003, Dan Maker wrote:
snip
That's still WAY cool! Why make a professional call at
all, when you can IRC it and have a permanent record?
Still you have to be able to type fast, which my daughter
Ken Provost said:
You still haven't been to the JtoF site, have you?
Okay, I just re-read (for the second or third time, not sure which)
your tips on Ethyl Esters.
The problem is, due to the increased soap formation and
the increased solubility of glycerol, you never get
separation. You
on 11/28/03 1:42 PM, Dan Maker at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Are you sure you are getting Potassium Ethoxide not
just KOH dissolved in ethanol?
Yes, I'm sure. If you got NO ethoxide ion, you'd get
no biodiesel. Ethanol will neither esterify nor trans-
esterify directly with oil, soap, or
Greetings,
Can we discuss ethanol process BioD a little?
Ken Provost - are you there?
Is anyone making progress on the reliability of this process, or defining
the source oils that are easiest to crack with ethanol?
Will the standard processor setup work? (ie - one that makes good bioD
On Wednesday, November 26, 2003, at 05:13 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Greetings,
Can we discuss ethanol process BioD a little?
Ken Provost - are you there?
I will always be here:-)
Discuss away -- almost everything that is known is available
or linked on the Journey to Forever
OK -
Is it known which source oils crack the easiest with ethanol?
Is there a chemical mystery that needs solving, or is it just that
ethanol does not have all the molecules it needs to quickly crack used
oil if there is any H-2-O?
Randal Son
Resist Convenience,
Go For Efficiency
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
Is anyone making progress on the reliability of this process, or defining
the source oils that are easiest to crack with ethanol?
Will the standard processor setup work? (ie - one that makes good bioD
with methanol)
Randal,
I had a conversation with a
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
Is it known which source oils crack the easiest with ethanol?
As I understand the process it's not ethanol that does the cracking, it's
the methoxide ion that catylizes the transesterfication process, ethanol,
or methanol can then bind to the fatty acids, where the
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
Is anyone making progress on the reliability of this process, or defining
the source oils that are easiest to crack with ethanol?
Will the standard processor setup work? (ie - one that makes good bioD
with methanol)
Randal,
I had a conversation with a
Keith Addison said:
:-) Your friend ADent just saw sulfuric and methanol and went off
half-cocked on all the deadly perils before hoisting aboard how
little sulfuric there is and that you mix the methanol first.
Yes, he's a trained chemist, look for the peril first, then evaluate the
on 11/26/03 3:04 PM, Keith Addison at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Not very impressed with ADent.
Yeah, me neither.
The question of how much ethoxide is really present
is an interesting one -- certainly less than there is
methoxide when you use methanol, but that's why you
have to use so
Ken Provost said:
The question of how much ethoxide is really present
is an interesting one -- certainly less than there is
methoxide when you use methanol, but that's why you
have to use so much more KOH (or NaOH) with ethanol
than with methanol. (yes, NaOH does work, once you
get it
On Wed, 26 Nov 2003, Ken Provost wrote:
The most interesting thing about that link is not the
content, which is dubious, but the format. Do I under-
stand that the conversation was recorded and then tran-
scribed, or was the transcription somehow automatic?
If the latter, THAT'S COOL!
on 11/26/03 5:21 PM, Dan Maker at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You are sure that NaOH or KOH can be used to make ethoxide?
Please give more detail. If it is so, why is ethanol so
difficult to use in making BD?
You still haven't been to the JtoF site, have you?
The problem is, due to the
Ken Provost said:
You still haven't been to the JtoF site, have you?
Quite to the contrary, I've read through the BD info there twice.
this does not mean that I have a full comprehension of it.
The problem is, due to the increased soap formation and
the increased solubility of glycerol,
Nathan A. McQuillen said:
It was an IRC chat session, wasn't it? Generally one can simply cut and
paste the transcripts into any text editor. Some IRC servers will keep
logs if you ask them to -- groups that use IRC for their meetings rely on
such systems.
Yeah, it was a chat session.
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