Re: [biofuel] Huge seabed methane find off Canada's west coast

2002-09-23 Thread milliontc
Here's a summary of Methane hydrates from Jeremy Leggetts book 'The Carbon War' - a good read. His main concern is that masses of methane will be released by some deposits as a direct result of climate change. (The global warming potential of methane is 20 X more than CO2) 'Huge amounts of

[biofuel] Huge seabed methane find off Canada's west coast

2002-09-22 Thread Keith Addison
tvoivozhd commented on the Homestead list recently: About time attention was turned to this energy resource---about four times that contained in more familiar coal, oil and gas reserves. Some danger of a blowout if pressure is inadvertently released, and you wouldn't want to breathe a methane

Re: [biofuel] Huge seabed methane find off Canada's west coast

2002-09-22 Thread Greg and April
- Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2002 00:18 Subject: [biofuel] Huge seabed methane find off Canada's west coast Not that Hubbert's Peak makes much sense to me anyway, even without methane hydrate

Re: [biofuel] Huge seabed methane find off Canada's west coast

2002-09-22 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
So what effect could this have on the famous Hubbert's Peak of fossil fuel supplies down whose steep slopes we'll allegedly soon be tobogganing towards the end of CAWKI? Also, how do these apparently regular accidental discoveries of new energy resources reflect on all the assurances we've

Re: [biofuel] Huge seabed methane find off Canada's west coast

2002-09-22 Thread Keith Addison
So what effect could this have on the famous Hubbert's Peak of fossil fuel supplies down whose steep slopes we'll allegedly soon be tobogganing towards the end of CAWKI? Also, how do these apparently regular accidental discoveries of new energy resources reflect on all the assurances we've

Re: [biofuel] Huge seabed methane find off Canada's west coast

2002-09-22 Thread Appal Energy
I'm a fan of human industry, Well then, it would make perfect sense to take present and future energy sources and utilize them in the production of renewable industries, thereby cutting lifetime emissions of any given amount of energy consumed to a mear fraction (a really small fraction, not a

Re: [biofuel] Huge seabed methane find off Canada's west coast

2002-09-22 Thread Brent S
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] Huge seabed methane find off Canada's west coast Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 15:18:20 +0900 tvoivozhd commented on the Homestead list recently: About time attention was turned to this energy resource---about four times that contained in more familiar coal, oil

Re: [biofuel] Huge seabed methane find off Canada's west coast

2002-09-22 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Duh, yes. Focusing on Hubbert's Peak commonly leads to that omission. Mere substitution of fossil fuels is not the answer. But if you consider climate change, the need for reduction is obvious. So long as we have something like political-economic systems that are oriented to the idea that one

Re: [biofuel] Huge seabed methane find off Canada's west coast

2002-09-22 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
The Second article mentioned some very interesting claim as to a find that there is a rapid rate of new formation of the Methane. Now *that* would be *really* interesting. Almost like trees and biomass growing all the time on land, so if you harvested only-so-much it would be a renewable

Re: [biofuel] Huge seabed methane find off Canada's west coast

2002-09-22 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
convinced. If we want to go on using fossil-fuel with such profligacy I don't see anything that's going to stop us. Except climate change - much more important than Hubbert's Peak. That's the reason to cut down on fossil fuels and find alternatives, not because we're going to run out of them.

Re: [biofuel] Huge seabed methane find off Canada's west coast

2002-09-22 Thread Keith Addison
Hello again MM Duh, yes. Focusing on Hubbert's Peak commonly leads to that omission. Mere substitution of fossil fuels is not the answer. But if you consider climate change, the need for reduction is obvious. So long as we have something like political-economic systems that are oriented to

Re: [biofuel] Huge seabed methane find off Canada's west coast

2002-09-22 Thread Appal Energy
Preach it Brother Keith! Evening services begin at dusk? Todd Swearingen Freedom of whom? I think you might find that people arguing for freedom vs environmental responsibility are in fact arguing for *corporate* freedom, not individual freedom, though they might think that's what they're

Re: [biofuel] Huge seabed methane find off Canada's west coast

2002-09-22 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Freedom of whom? I think you might find that people arguing for freedom vs environmental responsibility are in fact arguing for *corporate* freedom, not individual freedom, though they might think that's what they're arguing for. Amen. Big time. My point exactly. A lot of them *equate*

RE: [biofuel] Huge seabed methane find off Canada's west coast

2002-09-22 Thread kirk
Ayn Rand was mistress to one of the Rothschilds. I suppose you could consider her an insider. Kirk -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2002 12:41 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] Huge seabed methane find

Re: [biofuel] Huge seabed methane find off Canada's west coast

2002-09-22 Thread Party of Citizens
You don't have to leave Victoria to find an abundance of gas in BC. POC On Sun, 22 Sep 2002, Keith Addison wrote: tvoivozhd commented on the Homestead list recently: About time attention was turned to this energy resource---about four times that contained in more familiar coal, oil and gas