[biofuel] Re: Polyvinyl Alcohol (PVA) Membranes to dehydrate water-alcohol mixtures

2002-09-02 Thread Keith Addison
womplex_oo1 wrote: Ok fine. You win. They don't teach this stuff in Canadian schools, and I'm trying to find my way around using 50% intuition. The Journey to Forever website is really poorly organized - there is no top-down comprehensive table of contents, and I can't download the documents,

Re: [biofuel] Re: Polyvinyl Alcohol (PVA) Membranes to dehydrate water-alcohol mixtures

2002-09-02 Thread Greg and April
- Original Message - From: womplex_oo1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2002 22:53 Subject: [biofuel] Re: Polyvinyl Alcohol (PVA) Membranes to dehydrate water-alcohol mixtures and I can't download the documents, say in pdf format, so that i

[biofuel] Re: Polyvinyl Alcohol (PVA) Membranes to dehydrate water-alcohol mixtures

2002-09-01 Thread womplex_oo1
I just found out that dessicants like silica gel only work in humid air (because of their high surface area, low vapor pressure pores). Osmosis would work to selectively separate water from ethanol. The process uses a polyvinyl alcohol (PVA) membrane developed in Japan. The process

[biofuel] Re: Polyvinyl Alcohol (PVA) Membranes to dehydrate water-alcohol mixtures

2002-09-01 Thread Keith Addison
womplex_oo1 wrote: I just found out that dessicants like silica gel only work in humid air (because of their high surface area, low vapor pressure pores). This is all in the archives, several times perhaps. You have several steps to go still before you find a good way of removing the 5% of

[biofuel] Re: Polyvinyl Alcohol (PVA) Membranes to dehydrate water-alcohol mixtures

2002-09-01 Thread womplex_oo1
What questions? Perhaps I was away from my computer. Anyways there is alot of information on that website about using cellulose as a feedstock, but the webpage has failed to justify it -- they completely failed to answer the question WHY??? Here is why: Most plants are composed of less

[biofuel] Re: Polyvinyl Alcohol (PVA) Membranes to dehydrate water-alcohol mixtures

2002-09-01 Thread womplex_oo1
To add to that, we have guys from the University of Pennsylvania publishing scientific articles telling the public that using corn to make ethanol is a ZERO net producer of energy. Most people just give up when they hear that. But if you armed the public with the knowledge that they are

[biofuel] Re: Polyvinyl Alcohol (PVA) Membranes to dehydrate water-alcohol mixtures

2002-09-01 Thread womplex_oo1
Here is something else that really ticks me off: coal liquefaction, making gasoline out of coal using the most environmentally destructive means, is getting far more attention than this. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], womplex_oo1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To add to that, we have guys from the

[biofuel] Re: Polyvinyl Alcohol (PVA) Membranes to dehydrate water-alcohol mixtures

2002-09-01 Thread Keith Addison
womplex_oo1 wrote: What questions? This one, for a start: You: It's an interesting read. Particularly important because starchy granules comprise a very small percentage of plant material, and so by throwing away plant fiber, we're wasting 99 percent of the potential chemical energy

[biofuel] Re: Polyvinyl Alcohol (PVA) Membranes to dehydrate water-alcohol mixtures

2002-09-01 Thread womplex_oo1
Ok fine. You win. They don't teach this stuff in Canadian schools, and I'm trying to find my way around using 50% intuition. The Journey to Forever website is really poorly organized - there is no top-down comprehensive table of contents, and I can't download the documents, say in pdf