Alex
Reply to your last two:
>To me the question is - was ethanol the best way for Brazil to solve
>the fuel problem?
There IS no single "best" way. That thinking leads to the worst results.
>The same question can be applied to many discussions on this list.
>Yes, there are many ways of maki
Derek,
as you know , Solomon used to say "we reap what we sow" or something
like that...
If we consider Canada and Brazil, given the same soil fertility, Brazil
has probably 3 times more BTU from the sun
then Canada ;-(
And as an aspiring farmer, I must admit that it makes all the difference
wh
Alex,
Although, in general, I prefer Diesel engines and either biodiesel or SVO/WVO
over ethanol and spark ignition engines, one must admit that in the case of
Brazil the best solution over all has probably been ethanol given the huge
amounts of sugarcane they had available to them. In your ca
To me the question is - was ethanol the best way for Brazil to solve
the fuel problem?
The same question can be applied to many discussions on this list.
Yes, there are many ways of making the fuel - but why to choose curved
line over the straight line?
I think we always have to try to approac
Keith,
Last time I communicated with him, he answered on the usual email address
and he gave me permission to update and expand the material.
As you can see on our web site, we update use it as base information and
then add information in form of articles with link to the authors or direct
l
Hi Hakan
>Keith,
>
>Yes, Emil Bedi did a very job and I am trying to update and complement it.
Where is he, what is he doing now, do you know? Isn't he also
interested in keeping it current and accessible?
>I looks like it is dropped on the original CANCEE site,
Seems so, the FAE - SZOPK link
Keith,
Yes, Emil Bedi did a very job and I am trying to update and complement it.
I looks like it is dropped on the original CANCEE site, in favor for a
sleek, but less informative, web design. Personally I prefer valuable
information, I was lucky to get the permission to publish it on our si
>Some comments:
>
>Keith Addison wrote:
>
> >>It seems to me that SVO is a better solution then ethanol.
> >>Why?- Because it is easy to make and easy to get, license free.
> >>One really doesn't have to make a"plant" for it - it is very safe too!
> >>
> >>
> >
> >Alex, we need MORE biofuels opti
>Keith Addison wrote:
>
> >>If Rudolf Diesel was able to make an engine which runs on SWO in 1913 I
> >>don't see the reason why it can't be done in 2003.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >The Elsbett motor ran on SVO as standard, and was the forerunner of
> >the modern direct injection diesels. Darren posted this
I only wish they "mistakenly" start mass-produce such an engine.
Alex
Hakan Falk wrote:
>Alex,
>
>Rudolf Diesel's engine for SVO was a failure, he actually tried to make an
>engine that was meant to run on coal dust. He got money to develop that and
>he ended up with an engine that was working
Keith Addison wrote:
>>If Rudolf Diesel was able to make an engine which runs on SWO in 1913 I
>>don't see the reason why it can't be done in 2003.
>>
>>
>
>The Elsbett motor ran on SVO as standard, and was the forerunner of
>the modern direct injection diesels. Darren posted this a while
Some comments:
Keith Addison wrote:
>>It seems to me that SVO is a better solution then ethanol.
>>Why?- Because it is easy to make and easy to get, license free.
>>One really doesn't have to make a"plant" for it - it is very safe too!
>>
>>
>
>Alex, we need MORE biofuels options, not less.
>It seems to me that SVO is a better solution then ethanol.
>Why?- Because it is easy to make and easy to get, license free.
>One really doesn't have to make a"plant" for it - it is very safe too!
Alex, we need MORE biofuels options, not less. Anyway in practise it
doesn't make good sense to sa
>If Rudolf Diesel was able to make an engine which runs on SWO in 1913 I
>don't see the reason why it can't be done in 2003.
The Elsbett motor ran on SVO as standard, and was the forerunner of
the modern direct injection diesels. Darren posted this a while back:
http://www.eilishoils.com/pages/
Do not be so sure, they are professional on making mistakes. Think about
all the money spent on finding WMDs and "Iraqi freedom" . As a byproduct of
this mistake, they now control maybe the largest oil reserves on Earth.
The money that is spent on hydrogen "freedom car", might end up to be a
Indeed, I love mistakes in engineering. On the issue of what's different
between then and now, I'm not sure if even he could have overcome, with or
without mistakes, the deliberate studied neglect of important technologies and
industries and issues by the present powers-that-be.
On Tue, 16 Dec
Alex,
Rudolf Diesel's engine for SVO was a failure, he actually tried to make an
engine that was meant to run on coal dust. He got money to develop that and
he ended up with an engine that was working with vegetable oil. Maybe we
need some more useful mistakes, maybe as a result of the Bush m
If Rudolf Diesel was able to make an engine which runs on SWO in 1913 I
don't see the reason why it can't be done in 2003.
After all we are trying to explore life on Mars!
If for DIY guy takes $300 to make car to run on SWO, I don't see why car
makers couldn't do it as an option - a truly multi-
>You snipped quite a bit, I'll put it back:
>
>>>... what-not, from such schemes as PV-to-H2-to-C2H6O, or whatever,
>>>and I did not
>>>agree at all with this, but it didn't seem important to argue it at length at
>>>that time. I know what I think on the matter. If it can be done sustainably
>>
> >>Aside: I do want to say that awhile back you shot down my interest in
> >>completely-different non-natural production of biofuels and ethanol and
> >>what-not, from such schemes as PV-to-H2-to-C2H6O, or whatever,
> >
> >Point me at it please? I'd like to have a look at what I shot down.
>
>htt
It seems to me that SVO is a better solution then ethanol.
Why?- Because it is easy to make and easy to get, license free.
One really doesn't have to make a"plant" for it - it is very safe too!
Lets suppose for a minute that diesel engine could run on SVO without
any mods.
Will we need diesel fu
>>Aside: I do want to say that awhile back you shot down my interest in
>>completely-different non-natural production of biofuels and ethanol and
>>what-not, from such schemes as PV-to-H2-to-C2H6O, or whatever,
>
>Point me at it please? I'd like to have a look at what I shot down.
http://infoarch
>On Fri, 12 Dec 2003 02:41:35 +0900, you wrote:
>
> >Hi MM
> >
> >>Although I am not buying that production of ethanol requires more
> >>energy than it
> >>produces,
> >
> >It could do - did you see this thread?
> >
> >Expert pans ethanol
> >http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/30146/1/
>
>
>Well
On Fri, 12 Dec 2003 02:41:35 +0900, you wrote:
>Hi MM
>
>>Although I am not buying that production of ethanol requires more
>>energy than it
>>produces,
>
>It could do - did you see this thread?
>
>Expert pans ethanol
>http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/30146/1/
Well, I liked your dissectio
Hi MM
> >acceptable result of free-market forces at work? Or would it be a
> >case for regulation, perhaps with the judicious use of suibsidies in
> >some aspects of the picture?
> >
> >Funny how those health-care cost figures are so similar to the
> >energy-use comparisons - the US uses twice as
>acceptable result of free-market forces at work? Or would it be a
>case for regulation, perhaps with the judicious use of suibsidies in
>some aspects of the picture?
>
>Funny how those health-care cost figures are so similar to the
>energy-use comparisons - the US uses twice as much as the oth
Hi MM
>Although I am not buying that production of ethanol requires more
>energy than it
>produces,
It could do - did you see this thread?
Expert pans ethanol
http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/30146/1/
http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/30217/1/
I don't think ethanol is ethanol is etha
Although I am not buying that production of ethanol requires more energy than it
produces, I wonder what the opinions are here, of these various points of view,
expressed below?
Generally, I am against all subsidies. The folks who claim that subsidization
of ethanol is a disaster are equally as
http://www.straightdope.com/columns/031128.html
The Straight Dope:
What's the true story on ethanol?
28-Nov-2003
Dear Cecil:
We are from a farming community that grows a lot of corn. Ethanol
(alcohol) and corn production are both heavily subsidized. My
thinking is that they both are "pork bar
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