Re: [biofuel] Which is better for the environment?

2002-08-16 Thread Christopher Witmer
PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Which is better for the environment? Just make sure your draft beer hasn't had the yeast filtered out of it and you'll be just fine. :-) Appal Energy wrote: What is easy is harming one's health by trying. I suppose that's why I'm getting older by the day

RE: [biofuel] Which is better for the environment?

2002-08-16 Thread kirk
@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] Which is better for the environment? Well Chris, I'll tell ya' this. All that beneficial meat processing bacteria is certainly not doing its job as efficiently as one would be led to believe, considering the several pounds of undigested meat found in the lower intestinal

Re: [biofuel] Which is better for the environment?

2002-08-16 Thread Christopher Witmer
: Thursday, August 15, 2002 9:21 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] Which is better for the environment? Well Chris, I'll tell ya' this. All that beneficial meat processing bacteria is certainly not doing its job as efficiently as one would be led to believe, considering

Re: [biofuel] Which is better for the environment?

2002-08-16 Thread Keith Addison
Todd, I'm really not saying highly meat centered diet... I've been through the diet gamut, vegetarianism, veganism, raw-foodism, brief flirtation with fruitarianism, for lots of years (20), . I am worried about the B-12 issue which seems to be directly related to the ammount of animal food

Re: [biofuel] Which is better for the environment?

2002-08-16 Thread Keith Addison
that they can't survive without their Prozac. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Christopher Witmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 5:45 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Which is better for the environment? Some people are able to thrive

Re: [biofuel] Which is better for the environment?

2002-08-16 Thread Christopher Witmer
I'm afraid I have pretty much used all my ammunition on this. I'm not totally convinced myself, frankly. It sounds interesting and plausible, but if the paucity of information on the web is any indicator (and it probably is), this is either an area that needs a lot more research, or zero

RE: [biofuel] Which is better for the environment?

2002-08-16 Thread Keith Addison
9:21 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] Which is better for the environment? Well Chris, I'll tell ya' this. All that beneficial meat processing bacteria is certainly not doing its job as efficiently as one would be led to believe, considering the several pounds of undigested

Re: [biofuel] Which is better for the environment?

2002-08-16 Thread Keith Addison
I'm afraid I have pretty much used all my ammunition on this. I'm not totally convinced myself, frankly. It sounds interesting and plausible, but if the paucity of information on the web is any indicator (and it probably is), this is either an area that needs a lot more research, or zero

Re: [biofuel] Which is better for the environment?

2002-08-16 Thread Hakan Falk
Subject: Re: [biofuel] Which is better for the environment? Some people are able to thrive on diets containing such extremely low levels of animal protein that most Westerners would starve to death on them. The people that thrive have different intestinal bacteria than meat-eating

Re: [biofuel] Which is better for the environment?

2002-08-16 Thread Kim Garth Travis
: [biofuel] Which is better for the environment? Ken, I don't see any reference within the body of text that you site which supports any belief that a highly meat centered diet (Western diet) is necessary for human health. In fact, note was made that the levels of DHA and EPA

Re: [biofuel] Which is better for the environment?

2002-08-16 Thread Christopher Witmer
Keith's words below are very much in keeping with The Milk Book by William Campbell Douglass, MD: http://www.westonaprice.org/book_reviews/milk_book.html That book was a real eye-opener for me when I first read it several years ago! However, I'm sure most of it won't come as a surprise to

Re: [biofuel] Which is better for the environment?

2002-08-16 Thread Keith Addison
Hello Hakan Keith, Thank you for a very good piece on the food question. As usual, you hit a lot of nails. I do want to add a couple of things and questions, - During the last 200 years, the average life span for the human have gone from 35 years to around 80 years in the industrialized

RE: [biofuel] Which is better for the environment?

2002-08-16 Thread kirk
When you eat something and you get mucus, and you can tell because you are now clearing your throat and have enhanced drainage, why do you eat it again? Mucus is the reaction to an irritant. Seems many are oblivious to their body. How can a mucus producing substance be rationalized as healthy?

Re: [biofuel] Which is better for the environment?

2002-08-16 Thread Hakan Falk
At 10:25 PM 8/16/2002 +0900, you wrote: Hello Hakan Keith, Thank you for a very good piece on the food question. As usual, you hit a lot of nails. I do want to add a couple of things and questions, - During the last 200 years, the average life span for the human have gone from 35

RE: [biofuel] Which is better for the environment?

2002-08-16 Thread kirk
AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] Which is better for the environment? At 10:25 PM 8/16/2002 +0900, you wrote: Hello Hakan Keith, Thank you for a very good piece on the food question. As usual, you hit a lot of nails. I do want to add a couple of things and questions

Re: [biofuel] Which is better for the environment?

2002-08-16 Thread Appal Energy
The end of the human race will be that we eventually die of civilization. Ralph Waldo Emerson - Original Message - From: kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 3:41 PM Subject: RE: [biofuel] Which is better for the environment? [snip

Re: [biofuel] Which is better for the environment?

2002-08-15 Thread Keith Addison
] Which is better for the environment? It seems sometimes, that each group of environmentalists has their own agenda and that trying to make a selection amongst the choices is very difficult. For example: In doing heavy duty cleaning, such as cleaning my butcher shop; Is it better

Re: [biofuel] Which is better for the environment?

2002-08-15 Thread Appal Energy
Swearingen - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 6:16 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Which is better for the environment? Kim, CBA.Cost Benefit Analysiswith costs other than economic being the motivator

Re: [biofuel] Which is better for the environment?

2002-08-15 Thread Kim Garth Travis
. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 6:16 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Which is better for the environment? Kim, CBA.Cost Benefit Analysiswith costs other than economic

Re: [biofuel] Which is better for the environment?

2002-08-15 Thread Ken
http://www.beyondveg.com/ More on that, and believe me I've tried... Ken Not everyone can stay healthy on a vegan diet. While I don't eat a lot of meat, I do require a 6 ounce serving, five times a week. Even the doctors that pushed the vegan diet have come to recognize this fact. I

Re: [biofuel] Which is better for the environment?

2002-08-15 Thread Keith Addison
] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 6:16 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Which is better for the environment? Kim, CBA.Cost Benefit Analysiswith costs other than economic being the motivator. Can you heat your water with renewable resources (animal fat, veg oil

Re: [biofuel] Which is better for the environment?

2002-08-15 Thread Appal Energy
meat centered diet. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Kim Garth Travis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 9:49 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Which is better for the environment? I am talking about my personal butcher shop. I also use

Re: [biofuel] Which is better for the environment?

2002-08-15 Thread Greg and April
- Original Message - From: Kim Garth Travis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 07:49 Subject: Re: [biofuel] Which is better for the environment? Besides, my husband and I don't create enough manure to revitalize 20 acres, we need the help

Re: [biofuel] Which is better for the environment?

2002-08-15 Thread Greg and April
] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 12:01 Subject: Re: [biofuel] Which is better for the environment? Thanks for the information. I generally brain tan the skins, but using the rest I had not thought of, other than to feed the buzzards, that is. Bright Blessings, Kim

Re: [biofuel] Which is better for the environment?

2002-08-15 Thread Kim Garth Travis
Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 07:49 Subject: Re: [biofuel] Which is better for the environment? Besides, my husband and I don't create enough manure to revitalize 20 acres, we need the help of our animals. Actualy you still may be in good condition to better the soil, on your

Re: [biofuel] Which is better for the environment?

2002-08-15 Thread MH
Keith wrote: There have been several studies that found that grassland and pasture hold more carbon than forests do. I think it depends on the pasture, and on the forest, but there's probably not a big difference either way. MH wrote: I've heard of similar studies suggesting root growth

Re: [biofuel] Which is better for the environment?

2002-08-15 Thread Christopher Witmer
Some people are able to thrive on diets containing such extremely low levels of animal protein that most Westerners would starve to death on them. The people that thrive have different intestinal bacteria than meat-eating Westerners; the bacteria digest the vegetable matter and then the

Re: [biofuel] Which is better for the environment?

2002-08-15 Thread Ken
Check out this: http://www.beyondveg.com/cat/topics/index.shtml Ken - Original Message - From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 3:24 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Which is better for the environment? OkayI may be gullible

Re: [biofuel] Which is better for the environment?

2002-08-15 Thread Christopher Witmer
that they can't survive without their Prozac. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Christopher Witmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 5:45 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Which is better for the environment? Some people are able

Re: [biofuel] Which is better for the environment?

2002-08-15 Thread Appal Energy
for the environment? Check out this: http://www.beyondveg.com/cat/topics/index.shtml Ken - Original Message - From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 3:24 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Which is better for the environment? Okay

Re: [biofuel] Which is better for the environment?

2002-08-15 Thread Appal Energy
: Re: [biofuel] Which is better for the environment? Todd, In a rare twist, it is a lot easier to find information on this in Japanese Internet than in English; this may be due to Japanese researchers' language limitations. Japanese-only link at Chiba University: http://photo-m.tp.chiba

Re: [biofuel] Which is better for the environment?

2002-08-15 Thread Christopher Witmer
Just make sure your draft beer hasn't had the yeast filtered out of it and you'll be just fine. :-) Appal Energy wrote: What is easy is harming one's health by trying. I suppose that's why I'm getting older by the day.If I had only visited the meat counter with greater frequency

Re: [biofuel] Which is better for the environment?

2002-08-15 Thread Appal Energy
] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 11:42 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Which is better for the environment? Todd, I'm really not saying highly meat centered diet... I've been through the diet gamut, vegetarianism, veganism, raw-foodism, brief flirtation with fruitarianism

Re: [biofuel] Which is better for the environment?

2002-08-15 Thread Appal Energy
: Re: [biofuel] Which is better for the environment? Just make sure your draft beer hasn't had the yeast filtered out of it and you'll be just fine. :-) Appal Energy wrote: What is easy is harming one's health by trying. I suppose that's why I'm getting older by the day.If I had

Re: [biofuel] Which is better for the environment?

2002-08-14 Thread Ken Provost
Kim writes: Is anyone else interested in this kind of debate? Definitely! Is this the right place? Is it better to use the chemicals and the bleach or the steam cleaners? I know chlorine is feminizing the environment and is real bad for a septic system [my grey water] and I imagine the rest

Re: [biofuel] Which is better for the environment?

2002-08-14 Thread Appal Energy
@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 8:06 AM Subject: [biofuel] Which is better for the environment? It seems sometimes, that each group of environmentalists has their own agenda and that trying to make a selection amongst the choices is very difficult. For example: In doing heavy duty