Re: [Biofuel] Animal Fat

2006-04-26 Thread Appal Energy
No real difference between the two, at least not relative to making fuel. The suggestion would be to use KOH instead of NaOH for starters. That should help end your thickening/soap issue. Don't jump the gun with large batches until you get the small stuff right if you're still having problems.

Re: [Biofuel] Animal Fat

2006-04-26 Thread Randall Phelps
Animal fat (tallow) has a different chemical make-up than vegetable oil. You need to do much more purification. You get soap (glycerin) like results with vegetable oil, just not as much. I think that if you use a stronger caustic agent to separate mixture components, you may have more success.

Re: [Biofuel] Animal Fat

2006-04-26 Thread bob allen
Tallow, lard, butter, vege oil, etc. are all the same chemically save very, very minor differences which don't impact the transesterification reaction. fats and oils are treated the same as to volume of methanol, reaction time, and amount of catalyst. Impurities, mainly water present, will

Re: [Biofuel] Animal Fat

2006-04-26 Thread Appal Energy
Stronger caustic agent? As in NaOH vs KOH? You're aware that saturated phats and oils tend to make harder soaps and that NaOH contributes to that end even further? Using the general method of self-mixing the methanol and caustic, as most grassroots and small scale brewers do, there is also the

Re: [Biofuel] Animal Fat

2006-04-26 Thread Tonomár András
I have processed 100% virgin beef tallow fat with the 2 stage base - base process with great sucess. I used 200 ml methanol / liter fat and 6.7 g NaOH Processed for 2 x 2hours at 58 - 60 deg C. That batched washed better and easier then any other WVO I had dealt with The only drawback is cold

Re: [Biofuel] Animal Fat

2006-04-26 Thread Bob Carr
: [Biofuel] Animal Fat I have processed 100% virgin beef tallow fat with the 2 stage base - base process with great sucess. I used 200 ml methanol / liter fat and 6.7 g NaOH Processed for 2 x 2hours at 58 - 60 deg C. That batched washed better and easier then any other WVO I had dealt

Re: [Biofuel] Animal Fat

2006-04-26 Thread Randall Phelps
I stand corrected, sorry to give bad information. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html

Re: [Biofuel] animal fat

2005-06-17 Thread DB
I think you should experiment with some small batches. I get some of my oil from restaurants that fry meat and think 1/3 of the stuff is animal fat. I seperate this thick gravey like stuff from my less viscousoil and heat it up firstto liquify it real good before I do the reaction.some of

Re: [Biofuel] Animal Fat

2005-06-13 Thread r
I went to a biodiesel convention and saw a booth on animal fat conversion to biodiesel, the process is called rendering. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi you all The investors team have defined we will start our industrial biodiesel production and fuel production using animal fat. I have gone

Re: [Biofuel] Animal Fat

2005-06-13 Thread Keith Addison
Hi Chico There is quite a lot of information about. Just do it, it's no big deal. regards Keith Hi you all The investors team have defined we will start our industrial biodiesel production and fuel production using animal fat. I have gone thru several sources and found very litllte

Re: [Biofuel] Animal fat

2005-03-16 Thread Ken Diffenderfer
James, Doing a careful titration is very important when using a new oil source. Animal fats require more base catalyst. Acid/base is the best way to go for optimum yeild and minimal soap. Diff --- James Gillies [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have been making biodeisel from WVO for a few years,

Re: [Biofuel] Animal fat

2005-03-16 Thread JD2005
I don't know if you'v mentioned this method yet but it might be worth a try it's not for novice biofuel makers. http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_aleksnew.html#easymeth It would be worth discussing it with Kieth Addison before attempting it. I think you'll find he's very patient and

Re: [Biofuel] Animal fat

2005-03-12 Thread Pablo Tami
can imagine beef tallow lard is a very cheap raw material (250 u$s per ton) and quite esasy to purchase. I 've made only 1 essay and my results havent been as I first expected. Please, if its not a big deal for you, let me know about your progress. Please, forgive my English. Best regards and

RE: [Biofuel] Animal fat

2005-03-12 Thread chrispy kellog
fats measure high on tritration, but I've tempered this by using 50/50 WVO and animal fat. This lowers the titration. The down side is the yeild isn't as high as WVO. The method I use is the single base method. I haven't tried a acid/base method yet. Let you know my results