Re: [Biofuel] Fuel for nought ...? Part I. switch to biofuels.

2004-11-28 Thread william lemorande
- From: FRANCISCO [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 25, 2004 4:17 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fuel for nought ...? Part I. switch to biofuels. Hi I am a new comer 1) Bill: the blend gasoline/ethanol in Brasil is used by all Otto cycle based vehicles as yo said

RE: [Biofuel] Fuel for nought ...? Part I. switch to biofuels.

2004-11-28 Thread Hakan Falk
, 2004 11:27 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fuel for nought ...? Part I. switch to biofuels. --- begin quote see this as very positive. I also read the UN report about the social impacts of ethanol production in Brazil during the last 30 years. It was a lot of positive things

Re: [Biofuel] Fuel for nought ...?

2004-11-28 Thread Arcologic
PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 25, 2004 12:04 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fuel for nought ...? Skipped this part - Original Message - From: Myles Arnott [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 9:00 PM Subject: [Biofuel

Re: [Biofuel] Fuel for nought ...?

2004-11-28 Thread Keith Addison
did make relevant comments in there somewhere. cheers Greg clare recycling chip oil in the deepest darkest marches of England - Original Message - From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 25, 2004 12:04 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fuel

Re: [Biofuel] Fuel for nought ...?

2004-11-27 Thread Appal Energy
- Original Message - From: greg wendy clare [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 25, 2004 12:32 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fuel for nought ...? hi hi George monbiot is a highly respected environmentalist and I don't think a rant like this is particularly

Re: [Biofuel] Fuel for nought ...?

2004-11-27 Thread Legal Eagle
- Original Message - From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2004 12:08 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fuel for nought ...? Greg, It's never very important to me whether someone is well respected or not when they go off on a tear

RE: [Biofuel] Fuel for nought ...? Part I. switch to biofuels.

2004-11-27 Thread Dave Shaw
PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fuel for nought ...? Part I. switch to biofuels. --- begin quote see this as very positive. I also read the UN report about the social impacts of ethanol production in Brazil during the last 30 years. It was a lot of positive things

Re: [Biofuel] Fuel for nought ...? Part I. switch to biofuels.

2004-11-26 Thread william lemorande
- Original Message - From: Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2004 8:32 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fuel for nought ...? Part I. switch to biofuels. Bill, You are late. The 10% ethanol target is going to happen as you say, but for an other reason than

Re: [Biofuel] Fuel for nought ...?

2004-11-26 Thread greg wendy clare
darkest marches of England - Original Message - From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 25, 2004 12:04 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fuel for nought ...? Myles, Would you propose that a person, or persons who populate a planet, do nothing? Much

Re: [Biofuel] Fuel for nought ...? Part I. switch to biofuels.

2004-11-26 Thread Hakan Falk
] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2004 8:32 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fuel for nought ...? Part I. switch to biofuels. Bill, You are late. The 10% ethanol target is going to happen as you say, but for an other reason than the urge of introducing biofuel. It is happening right now

Re: [Biofuel] Fuel for nought ...? Part I. switch to biofuels.

2004-11-26 Thread Keith Addison
What do you think of this, Hakan? http://www.soilandhealth.org/03sov/0302hsted/0302homested.html Homesteading Catalog Roberts, Rex. Your Engineered House. New York: M.C. Evans Company, 1964. This book can't be praised enough! Roberts is both a master builder and a master house designer; he

Re: [Biofuel] Fuel for nought ...? Part I. switch to biofuels.

2004-11-26 Thread Hakan Falk
] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2004 5:05 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fuel for nought ...? Part I. switch to biofuels. If I said to the group that we could replace 50% of the use of finite and fossil fuels, I am sure that it is not many who see that as both realistic and achievable

Re: [Biofuel] Fuel for nought ...? Part I. switch to biofuels.

2004-11-26 Thread Hakan Falk
Keith, I always say that with a little common sense, you will do a lot better that the architects, building and HVAC engineers. He is applying a lot of common sense, even if some of the explanations tends to get quite wild. LOL I skimmed it and had a lot of fun so far, but many of the

Re: [Biofuel] Fuel for nought ...? Part I. switch to biofuels.

2004-11-26 Thread FRANCISCO
gas tanks need to be lined with rubber or plastic. Bill - Original Message - From: Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2004 5:05 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fuel for nought ...? Part I. switch to biofuels. If I said to the group that we

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2004-11-26 Thread Legal Eagle
- Original Message - From: greg wendy clare [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 25, 2004 12:32 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fuel for nought ...? hi hi George monbiot is a highly respected environmentalist and I don't think a rant like

Re: [Biofuel] Fuel for nought ...? Part I. switch to biofuels.

2004-11-26 Thread Keith Addison
Hakan _*see the answer in red. Very best fo us*_ Sorry, monochrome only, no technicolor. If you look in the headers of your message you'll see this gobbledygook: Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5. The system turns html-code (or any code) into plain text or rejects it to prevent

Re: [Biofuel] Fuel for nought ...?

2004-11-25 Thread Richard Statter
know the potential ethanol yield from banana leaves? I am working in the Canary Islands and these are in abundance! From: Tim Ferguson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Fuel for nought ...? Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 09:04:48 -0500

RE: [Biofuel] Fuel for nought ...?

2004-11-25 Thread Tim Ferguson
Hello Martin, I don't have any specific numbers concerning banana leaves and their yields other than Bananas and Banana waste run roughly 15% less than potatoes and potato waste for sugars and starches. Yields for potatoes and other feedstock's can be compared here

Re: [Biofuel] Fuel for nought ...? Part II, energy conservation

2004-11-25 Thread Hakan Falk
With the considerable waste in the energy used for tertiary and residential buildings, it is no doubt that well over 50% can be saved by energy efficiency. One example is hot tap water, were 80% could be produced by thermal solar, by a both modest and profitable investment. A 50% savings

Re: [Biofuel] Fuel for nought ...? Part I. switch to biofuels.

2004-11-25 Thread william lemorande
PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fuel for nought ...? Part I. switch to biofuels. If I said to the group that we could replace 50% of the use of finite and fossil fuels, I am sure that it is not many who see that as both realistic and achievable. In fact, most people would see it as a reasonable goal

Re: [Biofuel] Fuel for nought ...? Part I. switch to biofuels.

2004-11-25 Thread Hakan Falk
. Bill - Original Message - From: Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2004 5:05 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fuel for nought ...? Part I. switch to biofuels. If I said to the group that we could replace 50% of the use of finite and fossil fuels

Re: [Biofuel] Fuel for nought ...?

2004-11-24 Thread Legal Eagle
Canada ( http://www.reap-canada.com/ ) and what he said about it was not so much about an ecological or humanitarian disaster as much as an energy deficit, UNLESS used as we do, WVO converted to biodiesel which he said was a very good use of energy efficiency. They are exploring energy

RE: [Biofuel] Fuel for nought ...?

2004-11-24 Thread Peggy
Hello Myles, Fuel for naught made me want to pass along some food for thought. The Pattern on the Trestleboard is a philosophical foundation for understanding creation or as you said The Bigger Picture. You don't have to be of any religious persuasion to analyze the concepts and apply them to

RE: [Biofuel] Fuel for nought ...?

2004-11-24 Thread Tim Ferguson
Hello Myles, The article seems to present the misconception that those of us who are conscientious about how we live our lives and how that impacts our environment and other people as saying biofuels are the silver bullet to the worlds energy problem. When in fact, if you'll search the archives

RE: [Biofuel] Fuel for nought ...?

2004-11-24 Thread martin williams
Do you know the potential ethanol yield from banana leaves? I am working in the Canary Islands and these are in abundance! From: Tim Ferguson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Fuel for nought ...? Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 09:04:48 -0500

Re: [Biofuel] Fuel for nought ...?

2004-11-24 Thread dwoodard
I'd say that considering biofuels as a substitute for fossil fuels in our current parrent of economy/society, Monbiot is right. However, biofuels from waste material and small crop diversions, as a means of keeping mechanically powered farming and a frugal local economy functioning in a time of