Re: [Biofuel] MB Diesel for bio-diesel use
Doug, Could you please give me more info on blowing out the fuel injectors? thanksDB - Original Message - From: Douglas Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2005 9:30 AM Subject: [Biofuel] MB Diesel for bio-diesel use Peter Childers asks about MB 300D. My favorite car of all time was a 1980 MB 300D. (they were imported to the U.S. from 1979 'till 1985) I would have another in a flash, and may get one again soon. It is a sublime car to drive, especially on the road! It has an unbelievable turning radius, making it very maneuverable for a 4-door sedan. The 5-cylinder is a great engine, and even without the turbo performed quite well. It was even fast enough for me! LOL Most advised me I'd be disappointed with it's pick-up and such - but this engine will take anything you throw at it, so I just nailed it most of the time off the line and was always satisfied. The ONE thing that I think is most important is that THESE CARS ARE SAFE!!! I was rear-ended by a rather fast moving Mitsubishi while stopped at an intersection and pushed not only into but through a very large intersection - Broadway and Van Ness in SF for those who know it - and there was NO visible damage!!! You had to feel the hard rubber on the bumper to feel where the headlight glass had broken against it. The Mitsu was collapsed all the way to the cowl (windshield) and was clearly totaled! As far as I'm concerned, the MB Diesel is THE car of choice even without bio-fuels! I'd be a bit concerned about the 4-yrs non-use, but 165K miles is mild on that car. When I bought mine, my MB mechanic told me that if it had less than 175K on it and when warmed up, with the oil-filler cap removed, didn't smoke out that opening, then don't even bother to bring it to him, just buy it since it would just be broken in. My mechanic - a certified MB mechanic - has worked on a MB 300 TD (wagon) owned by a man from Marin County who has been influential in the rebirth of bio-diesel. This vehicle has been driven for 10 yrs or so on bio-diesel, and the mechanic says the engine is cleaner and runs better, and is generally in better shape than 10 years ago! Get the best one you can get and go! Doug PS - a couple of tips. The thing to look for when buying is how well the such things as climate control, vacuum system (door locks et al) are working. The climate control unit was built for them by Chrysler and was very good, but didn't last as long as MB components, and it's a complex system. ALSO be sure you learn how to manually blow out the fuel injectors. Anytime mine started to run less than well, I'd blow them out (takes three-minutes) and it would be as if I'd just done a tune-up. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Religion, Politics Biofuels, and Illusion
Hello Taryn Too Thank you bringing here the useful information about the reality of of our actual religion, I fully agree with your critical point .We have to have an positive and negative analysis, the illusion and also the mental help that is provided by the religion where I find the people all over the world can come and work for the people if the want via church . You imagine that million of people (54%) on the north east of the Brazil and 12 percent in Amazonian area and they do not know what is electricity, basic need the food and education. The biofuel from biomass ca be the great future for them . Yet, the university do little , but for them the only hope via radio is the religion and not the illusion.As you correctly pointed out there are several illusion negative points too , you coorectly pointed out , economic and political goals as well as Propaganda of what is being done Many big festivals spending using the money collected to help the poor are really not acceptable.Taking account of all positive and negative side and also the poor , I feel that the hope of the religion is surely more than the illusion and surely liberty and education play role that what this list members wish to deal the rural problem in an integrated way , rather than isolated partial technocratic problem solving one. Let us all join here to see the great green future using biofuel to all. Yours truely Pannirselvam P.V On 8/30/05, Pannirselvam P.V [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- Forwarded message --From: TarynToo [EMAIL PROTECTED]Date: Aug 30, 2005 1:33 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Religion, Politics Biofuels, and IllusionTo: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Hello Pannirselvam,Forgive me for taking exception to some things you said to Doug. I've assumed (perhaps wrongly) that you're looking at the works of theCatholic church in Brazil, from a Hindu perspective. It has been yearssince I last studied the Bhagavada Gita, but I continue to practicehatha yoga for the mental and physical benefits. I greatly admire Hinduism as a path for spiritual growth but have always been troubledby several Hindu precepts (assumptions?).Here in the west, Darwin's theories, nature red in tooth and claw,were used as justification for Social Darwinism, which claimed that the poor were inferior, evolutionary failures, and not deserving ofopportunity, education, or fair treatment.I see reincarnation, andthe caste system, as serving a similar function in Hinduism; the lower castes are seen as failed souls, not enlightened enough to deserve aplace in society. I have read that many schools of Hindu thought arerejecting the caste system, as is the government of India, but that the bigotry and sexism continue.So in that sense, religion, for a native of India, seems to be a toolof oppression, creating economic and social disparity without regard tothe 'worldly value' of individuals, hence a source of illusion. Regarding the Catholic church in Latin America; while doing much goodwork, they have also consistently spread misinformation about the useof condoms and other birth control methods. http://www.aegis.com/news/ads/2003/AD032597.html This has acceleratedthe spread of AIDS in Catholic countries, and caused many thousands ofunnecessary deaths. It's my understanding that there is now a schism between the Vatican and many Brazilian clerics over this, with thelocal priests and bishops denouncing the Vatican's anti-condom stance. http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/051005G.shtml This is certainly awelcome change, but the Vatican continues it's policies against AIDSprevention education. It's not the first time the Vatican has taken astance obviously against Christ's teaching, often only to serve their economic or political goals.A bright spot in all this has been the emergence of Catholic LiberationTheology, which at least provides a counter force to the constantcapitalist propaganda imposed on all the Americas. American Evangelical Fundamentalist sects are also gaining power inLatin America, and they too are a constant source of AIDSmisinformation. As they have no history of liberation theology, we canbe sure that their missions will be bound to NeoCon goals. I certainly agree with your suspicions about corporate and media powerbeing used to suppress democratic processes all over the world, but Isuspect that the church often falls on the wrong side of this battle, they have usually supported the economic elite in class struggles, evenas their missionaries were striving to help the poor and dispossessed.I know you're 'on the ground' in Brazil, and you're seeing many courageous, dedicated christians doing good works, against great odds.I guess I'm trying to say that you're seeing those with 'true religion with ethicsand also truedemocratic politics' actually doing whatneeds doing. Those who send them often have other goals. Tarynornae.comOn 8/30/05, TarynToo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Hello Pannirselvam, Forgive me for taking exception to
Re: [Biofuel] Another use for glycerine
What is Propylene Glycol? Not as bad as it sounds from this article. Yes, the main ingredient in anti-freeze is in all of these products. Shocked? You should be! Anti-freeze is something that lowers the freezing point of water. That's not shocking; sugar or salt will do that. Also, it is misleading to discuss anti-freeze without mentioning that both propylene and ethylene glycol are commonly used for this purpose (and that ethylene glycol is the one associated with the traditional toxic effects of automotive anti-freeze). PROPYLENE GLYCOL is used in: Anti-Freeze * Brake and Hydraulic Fluid * De-Icer * Paints and Coatings * Floor Wax * Laundry Detergents * Pet Food * Tobacco * Cosmetics * Toothpastes * Shampoos * Deodorants * Lotions * Processed Foods and many more personal care items. Check out your body lotions, deodorant, hair conditioner, hair gel, creams, and many more products! So it's a common chemical. That's still not cause for concern. By the way, many of those items also contain Dihydrogen Monoxide! See http://www.dhmo.org/facts.html if you are not familiar with this potentially-lethal substance. Propylene Glycol serves as a Humectant - a substance that helps retain moisture content, or simply -it prevents things from drying out. Also not cause for concern. A published clinical review showed propylene glycol causes a significant number of reactions and was a primary irritant to the skin even in low levels of concentrations. The American Academy of Dermatologists, Inc; Jan. 1991 Studies like this _are_ worth pointing out. It would be a shorter and more useful article if it stuck to references like this. Has anyone or any company tested the long-range side effects from constant use of these products? We haven't found any. Do these complex chemicals build up in our bodies? If Propylene Glycol keeps things from drying out - how? If it's absorbed into our bloodstream and into our cells, what does it do? Does it affect any of the simple, natural biological functions at the cellular level? You don't need a study to say - it's possible, even likely. Those are good questions. It sounds like it's worth studying. I expect that many of the answers are known already (e.g. someone previously mentioning that PG is metabolized to pyruvate). Here's a quick Google result that talks about it: http://yarchive.net/med/antifreeze_eat.html You do need a conclusive study to make the producers stop using these ingredients! The previous paragraph was all about not knowing what PG did in the body. The article now assumes that if the studies were done, the results would support the hypothesis that it's dangerous. That's not good science. The MSDS (Material Safety Data Sheet) for Propylene Glycol says: May be harmful by ingestion or skin absorption. May cause eye irritation, skin irritation. Chronic exposure can cause gastro-intestinal disturbances, nausea, headache and vomiting, central nervous system depression. There's an MSDS here: http://www.jtbaker.com/msds/englishhtml/p6928.htm It says for example Ingestion: Relatively non-toxic. Ingestion of sizable amount (over 100ml) may cause some gastrointestinal upset and temporary central nervous system depression. Effects appear more severe in individuals with kidney problems. So it's not harmless, but it's safer than something like ethanol: http://www.herc.org/msds/chemicals/ethanol.htm PG can have an anesthetic effect. Other side effects on animals exposed to PG include heart arrhythmia, stunted growth, decreased blood pressure, and even death. Possibly valid points, but what conditions, concentrations, durations of exposure, etc? Without sufficient context it's difficult to assess the severity of these effects. sheet (MSDS) and it may alarm you to find that this common, widely used humectant has a cautionary warning in its MSDS that reads, If on skin: thoroughly wash with soap and water! What? Aren't we putting this stuff on our skins daily, sometimes in copious amounts over long periods of time? That sounds like standard boilerplate for an MSDS. Sodium chloride (table salt) carries a similar warning. http://www.jtbaker.com/msds/englishhtml/S3338.htm ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Religion, Politics Biofuels, and Illusion
Hello Taryn, Pannirselvam Did you read this? http://sustainablelists.org/pipermail/biofuel_sustainablelists.org/200 5-August/003230.html Or: http://snipurl.com/hb3u [Biofuel] Robertson et al VS. followers Who Would Jesus Assassinate? Hugo Chavez and the Men Who Claim to Speak for Jesus I was wanting to say something about liberation theology but I posted that instead. By the way, here's Doug's post, Religion, Politics Biofuels, and Thanks!: http://sustainablelists.org/pipermail/biofuel_sustainablelists.org/200 5-August/003279.html Or: http://snipurl.com/hb3w I don't want to interpret, but I think what Doug's talking about is mainly how religion-of-a-sort is driving politics and the other issues in the US and in US foreign policy, along with the nonsense about the US and Islam, the odious Clash of Civilisations type of thinking and so on, and maybe the strange marriage of Christian Zionists in the US and colonial Zionism in Israel and its effects on politics, foreign policy, Middle East oil and all the fish. On the other hand, there's India and Pakistan, who should surely be brothers rather than nuclear enemies... They don't seem to refer to each other as Indians and Pakistanis as often as Hindus and Muslims. Isn't it time to seek to bury the hatchet somewhere else than in each other's heads? Best wishes Keith Hello Pannirselvam, Forgive me for taking exception to some things you said to Doug. I've assumed (perhaps wrongly) that you're looking at the works of the Catholic church in Brazil, from a Hindu perspective. It has been years since I last studied the Bhagavada Gita, but I continue to practice hatha yoga for the mental and physical benefits. I greatly admire Hinduism as a path for spiritual growth but have always been troubled by several Hindu precepts (assumptions?). Here in the west, Darwin's theories, nature red in tooth and claw, were used as justification for Social Darwinism, which claimed that the poor were inferior, evolutionary failures, and not deserving of opportunity, education, or fair treatment. I see reincarnation, and the caste system, as serving a similar function in Hinduism; the lower castes are seen as failed souls, not enlightened enough to deserve a place in society. I have read that many schools of Hindu thought are rejecting the caste system, as is the government of India, but that the bigotry and sexism continue. So in that sense, religion, for a native of India, seems to be a tool of oppression, creating economic and social disparity without regard to the 'worldly value' of individuals, hence a source of illusion. Regarding the Catholic church in Latin America; while doing much good work, they have also consistently spread misinformation about the use of condoms and other birth control methods. http://www.aegis.com/news/ads/2003/AD032597.html This has accelerated the spread of AIDS in Catholic countries, and caused many thousands of unnecessary deaths. It's my understanding that there is now a schism between the Vatican and many Brazilian clerics over this, with the local priests and bishops denouncing the Vatican's anti-condom stance. http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/051005G.shtml This is certainly a welcome change, but the Vatican continues it's policies against AIDS prevention education. It's not the first time the Vatican has taken a stance obviously against Christ's teaching, often only to serve their economic or political goals. A bright spot in all this has been the emergence of Catholic Liberation Theology, which at least provides a counter force to the constant capitalist propaganda imposed on all the Americas. American Evangelical Fundamentalist sects are also gaining power in Latin America, and they too are a constant source of AIDS misinformation. As they have no history of liberation theology, we can be sure that their missions will be bound to NeoCon goals. I certainly agree with your suspicions about corporate and media power being used to suppress democratic processes all over the world, but I suspect that the church often falls on the wrong side of this battle, they have usually supported the economic elite in class struggles, even as their missionaries were striving to help the poor and dispossessed. I know you're 'on the ground' in Brazil, and you're seeing many courageous, dedicated christians doing good works, against great odds. I guess I'm trying to say that you're seeing those with 'true religion with ethics and also true democratic politics' actually doing what needs doing. Those who send them often have other goals. Taryn ornae.com On Aug 29, 2005, at 5:35 PM, Pannirselvam P.V wrote: Dear Doug Swanson I appreciate your well thoughtful letter regarding our list.But I am not able to fully understand yet that religion develop illusion as I native of India , presently in Brazil . Here religion always do better thing , the school , the hospital , the project for the poor
Re: [Biofuel] Another use for glycerine
Hello Mike snip By the way, many of those items also contain Dihydrogen Monoxide! See http://www.dhmo.org/facts.html if you are not familiar with this potentially-lethal substance. It was funny the first time but less funny the 19th time. http://www.mail-archive.com/cgi-bin/htsearch?method=andformat=shortc onfig=biofuel_sustainablelists_orgrestrict=exclude=words=%22Dihydro gen+Monoxide%22 Or: http://snipurl.com/hb53 Search results for 'Dihydrogen Monoxide' To save everyone the trouble, Dihydrogen Monoxide = H2O = water. The award-winning U.S. scientist Nathan Zohner was a 14-year-old college student who wrote it in 1997, having first lifted it off the Internet where it had been circulating for ages. It's addressed at the gullibility of other 14-year-old students, but is often used as an amusing sneer at allegedly naive and over-anxious people who don't trust the chemical corporations, which on the contrary you'd have to be extremely naive to trust, as well as blind. See snopes, once again: http://www.snopes.com/toxins/dhmo.htm Urban Legends Reference Pages: Toxin du jour (Dihydrogen Monoxide) Best wishes Keith snip ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Magnetic boots
Hi, I actually answered this before When you operate the lever, 1/2 the magnets turn over, effectively short circuiting the magnetic field (ie every second magnet flips over). When the lever is in the lock position, all the magnets line up to send the field through the workpiece. It only takes a small amount of effort to operate the lever, because the magnets pivot, effectively cancelling the pull of the field. regards Doug On Tuesday 30 August 2005 4:24, Joe Street wrote: Hi Chris; Why don't you tell me since you have the device and I don't. I am guessing that the lever acts on a fulcrum and raises the magnet from the base a small distance. Joe Chris lloyd wrote: Hi Joe, what is the lever doing inside the tool holder, it moves about 4 inches. Chris. - Original Message - *From:* Joe Street mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* Biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org *Sent:* Monday, August 29, 2005 6:39 PM *Subject:* Re: [Biofuel] Magnetic boots You mean a little force over a long distance like? Chris lloyd wrote: The magnets are swiched off using a lever. No power or external device required. How did you move the lever then?? It is not that there is no force used to move the lever, it takes very little force to move the lever and without moving it I cannot move the tool holder. The force used to move the lever seems disproportional to the release of the tool holder. Chris. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Linux, virii and Microsoft
Hi Rumen, perhaps we should start a Linux Biodiesel list?? (LOL) I am using an IPcop firewall, which I find great. Easy to set up, and it will give you a secure wireless AP. On my machine I use Mepis linux, which is based on Debian. My systems are on 24/7. To my knowledge i have never been hacked. regards Doug PS: I feel it is important to give back to open source software in kind, so I have done some proofreading for documentation. Every little bit helps. On Tuesday 30 August 2005 2:46, Rumen Slavov wrote: Hi all,Hi Mike, Grutje, Arden, you have never been alone!Linuxoids are all over the world! MS has been kicked out from Japan, China and even from Bavaria! Dear Mike,rarely there are homes with just one comp.In my house there are 4 and the net comes trough firewalled router on Linux kernel, supplying two more houses with shared Internet. This situation lasts for 2,5 years now and we all have not experienced any troubles.My comp is dual boot - Linux/XP, `kuz my son likes to play games under Windows, but even in this case everything goes smooth. I would like to ask for assistance again - do somebody knows how perform quality test of BD using paper chromatography? Best to all R.Slavov __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Virus Warnings
Linspire is good BUT: apparently the normal install does not secure the system enough (because the default is to run the user as 'Root' (ie with full Admin rights). This is definitely not recommended. You can set a user up, but it requires some work. Distros like Mepis, on the other hand, boot directly off the CD. Normally all standard hardware is detected. (there are some crippled devices like Winprinters (Windows driven printers that use smarts in the window driver), some modems that are not easy to get working.) Once Mepis is running, you can select an icon to load the image to the hard disc. This will move HDD partitions, etc to create room if required, set up a dual boot system. Mepis has most of the commonly required software on 1 CD, with the OS too. I love Linux, because I do not have to worry unduly about Virii, I can open as many Web pages as I want (I had over 100 pages open once - I wondered why my system was a little slow! I commonly have 50 open: try that with the opposition M$ OS.) If you really are interested in Linux, check if there is a Linux User Group (LUG) near you, because they will always help, there is an incredible amount of web based help available. (Google Linux search: look for newbie sites.) regards Doug (stepping off soapbox) PS: for the Hardware compromised try Puppy Linux: it will run on even a '486 system happily. On Tuesday 30 August 2005 1:14, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For Linux if you know nothing about it and want the best support in the industry to be able to get things done I would choose Linspire http://www.linspire.com/ The guy who created this was once a Microsoft employee and had left the company to create his own, he also has an internet phone company and a online music service plus something else I cannot think of right now. Myk ___ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Linux, virii and Microsoft
Hi Mike snip I personally think Open Source dovetails nicely with the let's move beyond allowing giant corporations to rule our lives thread that underpins many homebrewers. With a few exceptions perhaps, but I agree it's part of the homebrewers culture, or anti-culture or whatever. This is from a previous post to the list by Thor Skov: I just want to say how important what you all are doing here is (I'm just an interested bystander). Closed-system fuel production, on a local or small regional scale, tied to local resources, using accessible technologies, and dependent on entrepreneurial innovation combined with open-source information exchange--it's AWESOME. Keep up the good work everyone, before the planet fries. We had Open Source technology development in mind when we started the Biofuel list, but with Appropriate Technology rather than software. It works very well! Best wishes Keith snip ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Sept 1 declared no buy gas day
Hi Darryl Keith, good idea. I'll keep track here too. It will give me an excuse to update my page at http://www.econogics.com/en/enenergy.htm#Transportation . I was thinking there was some something I wasn't thinking of, and that's it. I'd do better to link to your page, and Hakan's site too. I've been wanting to make more links to both your sites. I'll figure something out. Meanwhile, the more ideas the better. It needs some tidying up anyway. I know the feeling! :-( Regards Keith Darryl Date sent: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 02:21:24 +0900 To:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Sept 1 declared no buy gas day Send reply to: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Darryl Very nice! I'm sure others can contribute more ideas beyond the list above. My point is, don't act for a day, act for a lifetime. I'm also sure, there've been some good contributions so far. If we can et some more I can compile them and make a page at Journey to Forever for it, might help. It would be nice to internationalise it a bit, but if it doesn't work out that way I don't mind. Best wishes Keith Well, then I guess we can expect to see BP putting all their gasoline stations up for sale. After all, the managers are required to maximize the returns for their shareholders. If the stations are losing money, they have to dump them. I won't be holding my breath. As for gas-outs - it's a sad joke, as has been pointed out here before. If you want to reduce gasoline (and diesel) consumption, for whatever reason, here's a start on what you can do to make a difference. 1) Walk somewhere. Anywhere. Just leave your guzzler parked. 2) Get a bicycle. Preferably something used. Try your local FreeCycle, or bike repair co-op, or a used bike dealer. Find something comfortable and practical for your use. Then use it. 3) Check the pressure on the tires on your vehicle. Correct if necessary. Slight overinflation is better for fuel economy than slight underinflation. Repeat monthly or more frequently if required. 4) Have your vehicle tuned up on a regular, appropriate schedule. Check owner's manual for details. Check for dragging brakes, emissions control system problems, etc while you are at it. 5) Plan your trips to minimize distance travelled (trip chaining). 6) Use public transit when available and appropriate. Or carpool. 7) Use biofuels, e.g. E100, E85, E10 as recommended for your vehicle. There are many flex-fuel vehicles on the road in the U.S. due to CAFE dual-fuel incentive, where the owners don't even know the vehicle is flex-fuel capable. Check your vehicle manual. Use biodiesel blend where available or appropriate (or make your own, of course). 8) Take extra weight out of your vehicle, as accelerating extra weight uses more energy, and de-accelerating extra weight increases brake wear. (e.g. sand and salt mixture for winter use should not be in the trunk all sumer as well). 9) When shopping for tires, look for economizer / fuel miser / energy wise labels. 10) When shopping for a replacement vehicle, look for something that is as fuel- efficient as possible while meeting most of your needs - not necessarily all of your needs. You can rent a vehicle to meet occasional requirements. 11) If you want to make a political statement, pick an oil company to boycott or support. Personally, I try to buy from MacEwen's because they are local and have been promoting ethanol blend here since before it was fashionable. I boycott Exxon/Esso/Imperial Oil due to their horrendous environmental record (and other undesirable practices). Trust me, if we actually managed to drop Exxon's gross revenue in a regional market by 10% for a quarter, that would definitely get their attention. Giving their station attendants and cashiers a quiet day won't. 12) Try to drive to avoid periods of traffic congestion. You get 0 mpg when idling in stopped traffic. I'm sure others can contribute more ideas beyond the list above. My point is, don't act for a day, act for a lifetime. Darryl McMahon snip ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Problems, problems, problems
Dag Pieter Hello all, I found a new adres where I can collect quit a bit of good quality oil, well, that is what I thought. In this oil is added what we call E900 ( a european code ) which is dimethylpolysiloxaan, to avoid the oil from foaming when they bake their chips. From this oil I get one great big lump of solid stuff when I try to make BD from it. Can anyone please help me ? Of course I could go and look for another restaurant, but this E900 is used more and more, so I will meet this problem more often in the future. E900 is a polymere from silicone : (C2H6OSi)n It's used here in Japan too, we did some research on it when we first came here. We've processed a lot of oil with silicone anti-foaming agent in it and it hasn't made any difference. It's a very small proportion in the oil though, I don't recall the exact figure. Maybe they use more in the EU, but I doubt that's what gelling your biodiesel. Best wishes Keith Met dank en vriendelijke groet, Pieter Koole Netherlands ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Sept 1 declared no buy gas day
Title: Re: [Biofuel] Sept 1 declared no buy gas day Anyone in Texas has a few choices there is BioDrive in Addison BioWillie at Carl's corner Ecowise on Congress and Austin Biofuels on south slaughter price for b99 with the tax credit is 2.99 b100 is 3.40 and the biowillie 20/80 is about the same price as regular diesel. mel -Original Message- From: Mike Weaver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mon 8/29/2005 6:25 PM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Cc: Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Sept 1 declared no buy gas day I'm gonna drive my car around the beltway *just for fun* just like theguy who was interviewed in the Washington Post last week about gas prices.He was bemoaning the fact that he couldn't afford to keep his car on theroad due to gas prices. Poor fellow.Mel Riser wrote: I'm gonna go down and fill up ALL my diesel vehicles with B100 that day. mel___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Query on MTBE
Thanks keith, I raised the matter as the petroleum marketing companies are introducingslightly costlier petrol with brand names "extra mile", "speed petrol" and "premium petrol" etc. the distributors are unable to say what is the additive. The marketing company websites are equally vague. And now a reputed marketing company imports a huge qty of MTBE , the value added petrol is suspect and the citizens must know the hazards associated with it. Regards SubramanianKeith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello SubramanianNot of direct use, like Juan's reply, but this might be useful - factsheet and other resources on MTBE as an oxygenate additive:http://journeytoforever.org/ethanol_mtbe.htmlMTBE Fact SheetBest wishesKeithHello Members,MTBE Methyl tertiary butyl ether - an oxygenate for blending with gasoline in U.S around 1990, acquired a bad reputation quickly because of its capacity for polluting the environment and affecting human beings. I understand that the groundwater in most parts of US has been polluted with MTBE to varying degrees; it was banned in certain States of US for mixing with gasoline.It is banned in India too, as an oxygenate. Can any of you tell me what could be the possible use of MTBE other than as an oxygenate additive when a reputed oil refining and marketing company buys 10 tmt of MTBE from VITOL traders. I want to be doubly sure before raising this in the Indian Press.Thank you.Regards,Subramanian___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Sept 1 declared no buy gas day
I just came home tonight and found 20 5 gallon jugs of WVO in my driveway. guess I'm gonna be heating some oil this weekend and getting some of the filterable stuff out before i put it in the WVO truck. My wife really got the point when I told her that EACH 5 gallon jug would run my truck for 100 miles and my car for 150 miles. I think she is finally seeing why I keep saying sell the minvan and buy a TDI Jetta or a Jeep Liberty with the diesel option. mel -Original Message- From: Mel Riser Sent: Mon 8/29/2005 1:35 PM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org; Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Cc: Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Sept 1 declared no buy gas day I'm gonna go down and fill up ALL my diesel vehicles with B100 that day. mel___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] What has the world come to
what if their religous leaders said the same thing about us? isn't that what the wahbi's and taliban and AlCIAduh all are preaching? what right do we have to interfere with another countries elected leaders. It's THEIR OIL they can CHOOSE to not sell us any if they want to. These people think they can just keep on stealing other peoples resources so we can feed this consumber monster we have created. they TRULY believe it's God's will to do this. like the Teliban did when they blew up the Bhudist statues. religous jihadist judeo christian islamic all the same mel -Original Message- From: Clif Caldwell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thu 8/25/2005 11:11 AM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Cc: Subject: Re: [Biofuel] What has the world come to John Hayes wrote: Is the source for this correct ? It might be good to cite the source if we are going to assasinate not only a living person but also a man's character. If you have the original source for this information then maybe we should post it here to help clear this up. Just a thought... Clif I JUST heard it on NPR! Here's the quote: http://www.sciencedaily.com/upi/?feed=TopNewsarticle=UPI-1-20050823-09170200-bc-us-robertson.xml I to sadly have heard the quote out of his own mouth. I have also heard his contrite apology. Unfortunately we all say things in the moment we later regret. Two things are true in this world.. There is a God ... And I am not Him. I cannot speak to another man's salvation. It is regretable that men who are called men of God still have some of the old nature in them. Fortunately the process of sanctification is an ongoing process much like our process here to find the perfect method creating good fuel. May Mr. Robertson consider this episode part of his refining. Clif Clif, you're still being an apologist for Robertson. First you question the source and imply that his character is being assassinated, and now, when faced with the statement straight from the horse's mouth, you dissemble and imply that it's really ok because we're all just God's imperfect creatures and it's alright because he said he was sorry. If Robertson is so sorry, why is he blantantly LYING about what he said? I thought christians of his ilk were all about taking personal responsibility? I find any contrite apology rather thin when only *yesterday* he was still claiming he was misinterpreted. Why did he go on the air yesterday and claim he never used the word assassinate when Monday's video clearly shows he did? Refining my ass. The man is a lying hypocrite and you know it. jh August 24, 2005 Robertson Apologizes but Says He Was 'Misinterpreted' By LAURIE GOODSTEIN The Christian broadcaster Pat Robertson issued a statement today apologizing for his televised remarks calling for the assassination of Venezuelan President Hugo Chávez. Is it right to call for assassination? he said in the statement. No, and I apologize for that statement. I spoke in frustration that we should accommodate the man who thinks the U.S. is out to kill him. But Mr. Robertson was far from apologetic on his television show today, instead insisting that he had been been misinterpreted by The Associated Press and that he had never used the word assassination. I said our special forces should 'take him out.' 'Take him out' could be a number of things, including kidnapping, Mr. Robertson told his audience on the show The 700 Club today. The video from Monday's telecast, easily available on the internet, shows Mr. Robertson saying of the Venezuelan president: If he thinks we're trying to assassinate him, I think that we really ought to go ahead and do it. It's a whole lot cheaper than starting a war, and I don't think any oil shipments will stop. Mr. Robertson went on at length about Mr. Chávez, suggesting that covert operatives could do the job and then get it over with. Political and religious leaders continued to denounce Mr. Robertson today. The World Evangelical Alliance issued a statement saying, Robertson does not speak for evangelical Christians. We believe in justice and the protection of human rights of all people, including the life of President Chavez. On Tuesday, Mr.
Re: [Biofuel] Religion, Politics Biofuels, and Illusion
Thank you Keith bringing here topics unknown to many of our list India and Pakistan have been always brothers as India has been always adopted to all the religion first Arians , then budha , then Muslim , then Christanism and lately all gloabised Evangelism too as religion always considerd as the best way to live with true spirutalism ,out materialism , without consumadorism and free way of thinking India was misunderstood when Bangladesh become free , but sure the people of the India nad Pakistan have the same history and wish keep awy from any Nuclear weapons away. I am sure India will never go far Nuclear war as this will be against the very million and million peoples way of thinking. Indian Parliment will never aprove to send money to kill any human in other country , which it never has done expect its defens being in the world as this is against all the religion of the country. Thanks the mass education after independence which has made India as truely independet very big democracy of the world. Pannirselvam P.V On 8/30/05, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Taryn, PannirselvamDid you read this?http://sustainablelists.org/pipermail/biofuel_sustainablelists.org/2005-August/003230.html Or:http://snipurl.com/hb3u[Biofuel] Robertson et al VS. followersWho Would Jesus Assassinate? Hugo Chavez and the Men Who Claim toSpeak for Jesus I was wanting to say something about liberation theology but I postedthat instead.By the way, here's Doug's post, Religion, Politics Biofuels, and Thanks!: http://sustainablelists.org/pipermail/biofuel_sustainablelists.org/2005-August/003279.htmlOr:http://snipurl.com/hb3wI don't want to interpret, but I think what Doug's talking about is mainly how religion-of-a-sort is driving politics and the otherissues in the US and in US foreign policy, along with the nonsenseabout the US and Islam, the odious Clash of Civilisations type of thinking and so on, and maybe the strange marriage of ChristianZionists in the US and colonial Zionism in Israel and its effects onpolitics, foreign policy, Middle East oil and all the fish.On the other hand, there's India and Pakistan, who should surely be brothers rather than nuclear enemies... They don't seem to refer toeach other as Indians and Pakistanis as often as Hindus and Muslims.Isn't it time to seek to bury the hatchet somewhere else than in eachother's heads? Best wishesKeithHello Pannirselvam,Forgive me for taking exception to some things you said to Doug. I'veassumed (perhaps wrongly) that you're looking at the works of the Catholic church in Brazil, from a Hindu perspective. It has been yearssince I last studied the Bhagavada Gita, but I continue to practicehatha yoga for the mental and physical benefits. I greatly admire Hinduism as a path for spiritual growth but have always been troubledby several Hindu precepts (assumptions?).Here in the west, Darwin's theories, nature red in tooth and claw, were used as justification for Social Darwinism, which claimed thatthe poor were inferior, evolutionary failures, and not deserving ofopportunity, education, or fair treatment.I see reincarnation, and the caste system, as serving a similar function in Hinduism; the lowercastes are seen as failed souls, not enlightened enough to deserve aplace in society. I have read that many schools of Hindu thought are rejecting the caste system, as is the government of India, but that thebigotry and sexism continue.So in that sense, religion, for a native of India, seems to be a toolof oppression, creating economic and social disparity without regard to the 'worldly value' of individuals, hence a source of illusion.Regarding the Catholic church in Latin America; while doing much goodwork, they have also consistently spread misinformation about the use of condoms and other birth control methods.http://www.aegis.com/news/ads/2003/AD032597.html This has acceleratedthe spread of AIDS in Catholic countries, and caused many thousands of unnecessary deaths. It's my understanding that there is now a schismbetween the Vatican and many Brazilian clerics over this, with thelocal priests and bishops denouncing the Vatican's anti-condom stance. http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/051005G.shtml This is certainly awelcome change, but the Vatican continues it's policies against AIDS prevention education. It's not the first time the Vatican has taken astance obviously against Christ's teaching, often only to serve theireconomic or political goals.A bright spot in all this has been the emergence of Catholic Liberation Theology, which at least provides a counter force to the constantcapitalist propaganda imposed on all the Americas.American Evangelical Fundamentalist sects are also gaining power inLatin America, and they too are a constant source of AIDS misinformation. As they have no history of liberation theology, we canbe sure that their missions will be bound to NeoCon goals.I certainly agree with your suspicions about corporate and media power being
Re: [Biofuel] Linux, virii and Microsoft
I've become a big fan of Linux too. I plan on having a couple of distributions of Linux on machines in my house. The biggest reason (besides virus protection) is that some of the distributions available, are compatible with computers going back to windows 3.1. In addition, they all come with C compilers. So, I can resurrect old computers to do other useful things like machine control, etc. Appropriate technologies make use of materials, technologiesand skills that are readily available in your community. Since a lot of older computers have a scrap value of near zero, are abundantly available and can be applied to a useful purpose, I think it can arguably be called "appropriate" in that context for the region in which I live. In fact, I think it serves a dual purpose as a measure of conservation - keeping them out ofland fills for as long as possible. Mike Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi MikeI personally think Open Source dovetailsnicely with the "let's move beyond allowing giant corporations to ruleour lives" thread that underpins many homebrewers.With a few exceptions perhaps, but I agree it's part of the homebrewers culture, or anti-culture or whatever. This is from a previous post to the list by Thor Skov:"I just want to say how important what you all are doing here is (I'm just an interested bystander). Closed-system fuel production, on a local or small regional scale, tied to local resources, using accessible technologies, and dependent on entrepreneurial innovation combined with open-source information exchange--it's AWESOME. Keep up the good work everyone, before the planet fries."We had Open Source technology development in mind when we started the Biofuel list, but with Appropriate Technology rather than software. It works very well!Best wishesKeith___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Warning to List Members
Look at www.ubuntulinux.org Fantastic debian flavoured os with easy setup and functional kde. (needs no gas!) Stephan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Arden B. Norder Sent: 29 August 2005 02:26 To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Warning to List Members Halellujah . . . I'm not alone!!! I live for and work with linux everyday all day long - It just works . . . all the time!!! Greetings from Holland!!! Arden On Aug 29, 2005 10:23 AM, Rumen Slavov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Friends, As I wrote, there are not viruses for Linux. In the earliest `80 there were a couple of exploits ( not viruses!), but they dyed soon, when the kernel has changed. The creation of a virus is a complicate process, one has to know the exact target, what is almost impossible with the variety of kernels in the comps of the net. Linux is quickly evolving OS and this is understandable - say 2000 programmers in Richmond can not lead competition with 2 000 000 worldwide. I have been running different Linux distributions for some 6 years and I have always in my pocket a small CD 215 MB live CD to revive dead MS comps. Don`t get confused - use Linux! Best R.Slavov __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Problems, problems, problems
Thanks Keith, If the silicone is not what is gelling the BD, what else can it be ? I still make BD from other suppliers without problems, but as soon as I mix any oil from this particular adress in it, it turns hard. With hard I mean as hard as butter in a fridge, so not jelly. Ok, but IF it is caused by the silicone, what can we do ? Because we will have to deal with this more and more in the future. Thanks again. Dag Pieter Hello all, I found a new adres where I can collect quit a bit of good quality oil, well, that is what I thought. In this oil is added what we call E900 ( a european code ) which is dimethylpolysiloxaan, to avoid the oil from foaming when they bake their chips. From this oil I get one great big lump of solid stuff when I try to make BD from it. Can anyone please help me ? Of course I could go and look for another restaurant, but this E900 is used more and more, so I will meet this problem more often in the future. E900 is a polymere from silicone : (C2H6OSi)n It's used here in Japan too, we did some research on it when we first came here. We've processed a lot of oil with silicone anti-foaming agent in it and it hasn't made any difference. It's a very small proportion in the oil though, I don't recall the exact figure. Maybe they use more in the EU, but I doubt that's what gelling your biodiesel. Best wishes Keith Met dank en vriendelijke groet, Pieter Koole Netherlands ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] What has the world come to
There is no way to peace; peace is the way. (Ghandi) By this he is saying that we must simply BE in peace. And that means being non judgmental and loving - toward all creatures... At the end of the day it comes down to love and respect and forgiveness. Love and respect your neighbor Love and respect the Earth and its creatures Love and respect yourself Peace Stephan -Original Message- From: Mel Riser [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Mel Riser Sent: 30 August 2005 11:45 To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: RE: [Biofuel] What has the world come to what if their religous leaders said the same thing about us? isn't that what the wahbi's and taliban and AlCIAduh all are preaching? what right do we have to interfere with another countries elected leaders. It's THEIR OIL they can CHOOSE to not sell us any if they want to. These people think they can just keep on stealing other peoples resources so we can feed this consumber monster we have created. they TRULY believe it's God's will to do this. like the Teliban did when they blew up the Bhudist statues. religous jihadist judeo christian islamic all the same mel -Original Message- From: Clif Caldwell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thu 8/25/2005 11:11 AM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Cc: Subject: Re: [Biofuel] What has the world come to John Hayes wrote: Is the source for this correct ? It might be good to cite the source if we are going to assasinate not only a living person but also a man's character. If you have the original source for this information then maybe we should post it here to help clear this up. Just a thought... Clif I JUST heard it on NPR! Here's the quote: http://www.sciencedaily.com/upi/?feed=TopNews http://www.sciencedaily.com/upi/?feed=TopNewsarticle=UPI-1-20050823-091702 00-bc-us-robertson.xml article=UPI-1-20050823-09170200-bc-us-robertson.xml I to sadly have heard the quote out of his own mouth. I have also heard his contrite apology. Unfortunately we all say things in the moment we later regret. Two things are true in this world.. There is a God ... And I am not Him. I cannot speak to another man's salvation. It is regretable that men who are called men of God still have some of the old nature in them. Fortunately the process of sanctification is an ongoing process much like our process here to find the perfect method creating good fuel. May Mr. Robertson consider this episode part of his refining. Clif Clif, you're still being an apologist for Robertson. First you question the source and imply that his character is being assassinated, and now, when faced with the statement straight from the horse's mouth, you dissemble and imply that it's really ok because we're all just God's imperfect creatures and it's alright because he said he was sorry. If Robertson is so sorry, why is he blantantly LYING about what he said? I thought christians of his ilk were all about taking personal responsibility? I find any contrite apology rather thin when only *yesterday* he was still claiming he was misinterpreted. Why did he go on the air yesterday and claim he never used the word assassinate when Monday's video clearly shows he did? Refining my ass. The man is a lying hypocrite and you know it. jh August 24, 2005 Robertson Apologizes but Says He Was 'Misinterpreted' By LAURIE GOODSTEIN The Christian broadcaster Pat Robertson issued a statement today apologizing for his televised remarks calling for the assassination of Venezuelan President Hugo Chávez. Is it right to call for assassination? he said in the statement. No, and I apologize for that statement. I spoke in frustration that we should accommodate the man who thinks the U.S. is out to kill him. But Mr. Robertson was far from apologetic on his television show today, instead insisting that he had been been misinterpreted by The Associated Press and that he had never used the word assassination. I said our special forces should 'take him out.' 'Take him out' could be a number of things, including kidnapping, Mr. Robertson told his audience on the show The 700 Club today. The video from Monday's telecast, easily available on the internet, shows Mr. Robertson saying of the Venezuelan president: If he thinks we're trying to assassinate him, I think that we really ought to go ahead and do it. It's a whole lot cheaper than starting a war, and I don't think any oil shipments will stop. Mr. Robertson went on at length about Mr. Chávez, suggesting that covert operatives could do the job and then get it over with. Political and religious leaders continued to denounce Mr. Robertson today. The World Evangelical Alliance issued a statement saying, Robertson does not speak for evangelical Christians. We believe in justice and the protection of human rights of all people, including the life of President Chavez. On Tuesday, Mr. Robertson's comments were denounced by both the State Department and
Re: [Biofuel] Background statistics for energy and more....
Yup - spent a little time there myself, as well as in West Africa. I always said if Nigerians put as much energy into legitimate business ventures as they did in trying rip each other off they's be running the world. Oh well. Obasanjo is actually cleaning things up a bit. -Mike Hakan Falk wrote: Mike, Yes, Nigeria were #100 on least corrupted countries and now they are #144. US is still keeping its 17-19 position however, good, despite the Bush administration. Spain is also the same, but Sweden who had a shared 5 position with Singapore, have now fallen to 6. LOL Hakan At 05:30 30/08/2005, you wrote: Darn, Nigeria has fallen out of #1. Hakan Falk wrote: mphee, Something that I follow and found very important for evaluations and discussions are several public statistical reports, two of the most important to read is, UNDP's report on human development, http://hdr.undp.org/reports/global/2004/pdf/hdr04_complete.pdf and BP's energy report, http://www.bp.com/liveassets/bp_internet/globalbp/globalbp_uk_engli sh/publications/energy_reviews_2005/STAGING/local_assets/downloads/pdf/statistical_review_of_world_energy_full_report_2005.pdf there are long links so many must copy and paste to get there. An other interesting report is the Global corruption report and I like to look at the following, http://www.globalcorruptionreport.org/gcr2005/download/english/corr uption_research_%20I.pdf one interesting special is, Corruption in post-conflict reconstruction, http://www.globalcorruptionreport.org/gcr2005/download/english/corr uption_post_conflict_%20rec.pdf All are very valuable background for discussions. They can take a long time to download if you have a slow connection, but it is well worth it. Hakan At 17:22 29/08/2005, you wrote: The econmic meltdown doesn't scare me as much as the next world war. The economy has had meltdowns before and it will again. I believe the US is resourcful enough to come back. Though our great dependacy on foreign oil could make that a lot harder. As oil is depleted more and more there will be maneuvering by countries to retain/adquire/secure the last reserves. Is it completely outside the realm of possiblities that's why we're in iraq. China's army out numbers us at least 2 to 1, but not as advanced and trained. India's army is becoming more advanced all the time. Both of which are a lot closer than us to the middle east. Give them 10-20 years. US has dug a pretty deep hole. Carter had put in new CAFE (milage requiremnts for cars/trucks) requiremnts that Reagan through out. If they had stayed it could have greatly reduced our dependancy on oil. Transportation uses 74% of the 20+ mbbls we use a day of oil. On Mon, 29 Aug 2005 07:16:11 -0700 (PDT), Kirk McLoren wrote http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/printpage/0,5942,16416680, 00.html - Print this page Dumping of US dollar could trigger 'economic September 11' There is a potentially fatal flaw at the heart of the global economy: the strong possibility of financial meltdown following a collapse of confidence in the greenback, Clyde Prestowitz tells Bruce Stannard 29aug05 THE nightmare scenario that haunts global strategist Clyde Prestowitz is an economic September 11 -- a worldwide financial panic triggered by a sudden massive sell-off of US dollars that would lead inexorably to the collapse of economies around the world. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Re: [Biofuel] Oil questions
Where did you find that price? I've made Biodiesel from canola successfully. John Wilson wrote: Hi Has anyone tried canola oil in their oil pan as a substitute for fossil oil. If so what were the results. :http://www.rense.com/ufo/motoroil.htm How many liters in a tonne of canola oil. spot price for Canola oil is $268.00 per tonne. How much is that per liter. I am taking a rough guess that a liter of canola oil weights .98 kgs roughly 26 cents per liter. Yours truly John Wilson *** Wilsonia Farm Kennel Preserve Goldens Ph-Fax (902)665-2386) Web: http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/goldens/new.htm Pups: http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/goldens/pup.htm In Nova Scotia smoking permitted in designated areas only until 9:00 PM . After 9:00 it is okey to kill everyone. ^^^ Nova Scotia going smoke-free in public by 2006 (FANTASTIC) ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Anyone know if I can run 15% ethanol in an Isuzu 2.6 4banger?
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Re: [Biofuel] BP loses money?? Yeah, right.
Or we boycott companies that set up offshore shells to avoid US taxes. Black and Decker, Accenture and so on, but want to use US courts, which taxes support. David M. Brockes wrote: This is why we need a Flat Tax system in this country for both Individual and Business. 8% to 12% would provide a tax base much more robust than what we have todayand most of us would probably pay less, but certainly everyone would pay a fair share.and think of all the savings there would be from all the extra costs currently related to our Tax system!! Just IMHO!! Dave -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 9:51 AM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] BP loses money?? Yeah, right. It's all part of the standard multinational corporation planning to move the profits to the jurisdiction in which they are taxed least (preferably not at all). Doug Woodard St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada On Mon, 29 Aug 2005, Jerry Eyers wrote: Funny tidbit. BP says they loose money on their gas stations, $100mil last year. You refine it, you transport it, you store it, you delivery it, and you sell it. How do you loose money when you control all aspects of it. Just by vertues of econmies of scale you have to make money. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Problems, problems, problems
Dear Keith, I have followed your forum for a while. You said that "It's used here in Japan too", is that mean you are currently in Japan? The reason I asked is that if yes I would like to visite you to see physically your projects. Thanks in advance Best regards, KhamhianeKeith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dag PieterHello all,I found a new adres where I can collect quit a bit of good quality oil, well, that is what I thought.In this oil is added what we call E900 ( a european code ) which is dimethylpolysiloxaan, to avoid the oil from foaming when they bake their chips.From this oil I get one great big lump of solid stuff when I try to make BD from it.Can anyone please help me ?Of course I could go and look for another restaurant, but this E900 is used more and more, so I will meet this problem more often in the future.E900 is a polymere from silicone : (C2H6OSi)nIt's used here in Japan too, we did some research on it when we first came here. We've processed a lot of oil with silicone anti-foaming agent in it and it hasn't made any difference. It's a very small proportion in the oil though, I don't recall the exact figure. Maybe they use more in the EU, but I doubt that's what gelling your biodiesel.Best wishesKeithMet dank en vriendelijke groet,Pieter KooleNetherlands___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Cohabitation
Nah, the kids have their own room. Douglas Smith wrote: Michael Redler wrote: Uh oh. I'm cohabitating illegally. Wait'll I tell my GF. You know, Michael, I don't have anything against you and your girlfriend doing whatever you like in private - or any other straight couple - but must you flaunt it in front of the rest of us? The children might see and then we'd have to explain! (NOTE: Tongue planted firmly in cheek) Doug The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. - economist John Kenneth Galbraith ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Linux, virii and Microsoft
You can make a perfectly decent router/firewall with a 486. Michael Redler wrote: I've become a big fan of Linux too. I plan on having a couple of distributions of Linux on machines in my house. The biggest reason (besides virus protection) is that some of the distributions available, are compatible with computers going back to windows 3.1. In addition, they all come with C compilers. So, I can resurrect old computers to do other useful things like machine control, etc. Appropriate technologies make use of materials, technologies and skills that are readily available in your community. Since a lot of older computers have a scrap value of near zero, are abundantly available and can be applied to a useful purpose, I think it can arguably be called appropriate in that context for the region in which I live. In fact, I think it serves a dual purpose as a measure of conservation - keeping them out of land fills for as long as possible. Mike */Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: Hi Mike I personally think Open Source dovetails nicely with the let's move beyond allowing giant corporations to rule our lives thread that underpins many homebrewers. With a few exceptions perhaps, but I agree it's part of the homebrewers culture, or anti-culture or whatever. This is from a previous post to the list by Thor Skov: I just want to say how important what you all are doing here is (I'm just an interested bystander). Closed-system fuel production, on a local or small regional scale, tied to local resources, using accessible technologies, and dependent on entrepreneurial innovation combined with open-source information exchange--it's AWESOME. Keep up the good work everyone, before the planet fries. We had Open Source technology development in mind when we started the Biofuel list, but with Appropriate Technology rather than software. It works very well! Best wishes Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Religion, Politics Biofuels, and Illusion
I've been studying Hinduism. Fascinating. Very humbling when you realize what a blip US history is in the greater scheme of the world's timeline. Pannirselvam P.V wrote: Thank you Keith bringing here topics unknown to many of our list India and Pakistan have been always brothers as India has been always adopted to all the religion first Arians , then budha , then Muslim , then Christanism and lately all gloabised Evangelism too as religion always considerd as the best way to live with true spirutalism ,out materialism , without consumadorism and free way of thinking India was misunderstood when Bangladesh become free , but sure the people of the India nad Pakistan have the same history and wish keep awy from any Nuclear weapons away. I am sure India will never go far Nuclear war as this will be against the very million and million peoples way of thinking. Indian Parliment will never aprove to send money to kill any human in other country , which it never has done expect its defens being in the world as this is against all the religion of the country. Thanks the mass education after independence which has made India as truely independet very big democracy of the world. Pannirselvam P.V On 8/30/05, *Keith Addison* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Taryn, Pannirselvam Did you read this? http://sustainablelists.org/pipermail/biofuel_sustainablelists.org/200 5-August/003230.html Or: http://snipurl.com/hb3u [Biofuel] Robertson et al VS. followers Who Would Jesus Assassinate? Hugo Chavez and the Men Who Claim to Speak for Jesus I was wanting to say something about liberation theology but I posted that instead. By the way, here's Doug's post, Religion, Politics Biofuels, and Thanks!: http://sustainablelists.org/pipermail/biofuel_sustainablelists.org/200 5-August/003279.html Or: http://snipurl.com/hb3w I don't want to interpret, but I think what Doug's talking about is mainly how religion-of-a-sort is driving politics and the other issues in the US and in US foreign policy, along with the nonsense about the US and Islam, the odious Clash of Civilisations type of thinking and so on, and maybe the strange marriage of Christian Zionists in the US and colonial Zionism in Israel and its effects on politics, foreign policy, Middle East oil and all the fish. On the other hand, there's India and Pakistan, who should surely be brothers rather than nuclear enemies... They don't seem to refer to each other as Indians and Pakistanis as often as Hindus and Muslims. Isn't it time to seek to bury the hatchet somewhere else than in each other's heads? Best wishes Keith Hello Pannirselvam, Forgive me for taking exception to some things you said to Doug. I've assumed (perhaps wrongly) that you're looking at the works of the Catholic church in Brazil, from a Hindu perspective. It has been years since I last studied the Bhagavada Gita, but I continue to practice hatha yoga for the mental and physical benefits. I greatly admire Hinduism as a path for spiritual growth but have always been troubled by several Hindu precepts (assumptions?). Here in the west, Darwin's theories, nature red in tooth and claw, were used as justification for Social Darwinism, which claimed that the poor were inferior, evolutionary failures, and not deserving of opportunity, education, or fair treatment. I see reincarnation, and the caste system, as serving a similar function in Hinduism; the lower castes are seen as failed souls, not enlightened enough to deserve a place in society. I have read that many schools of Hindu thought are rejecting the caste system, as is the government of India, but that the bigotry and sexism continue. So in that sense, religion, for a native of India, seems to be a tool of oppression, creating economic and social disparity without regard to the 'worldly value' of individuals, hence a source of illusion. Regarding the Catholic church in Latin America; while doing much good work, they have also consistently spread misinformation about the use of condoms and other birth control methods. http://www.aegis.com/news/ads/2003/AD032597.html This has accelerated the spread of AIDS in Catholic countries, and caused many thousands of unnecessary deaths. It's my understanding that there is now a schism between the Vatican and many Brazilian clerics over this, with the local priests and bishops denouncing the Vatican's anti-condom stance. http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/051005G.shtml This is certainly a welcome change, but the Vatican
Re: [Biofuel] Sept 1 declared no buy gas day
Get the Jetta. Mel Riser wrote: I just came home tonight and found 20 5 gallon jugs of WVO in my driveway. guess I'm gonna be heating some oil this weekend and getting some of the filterable stuff out before i put it in the WVO truck. My wife really got the point when I told her that EACH 5 gallon jug would run my truck for 100 miles and my car for 150 miles. I think she is finally seeing why I keep saying sell the minvan and buy a TDI Jetta or a Jeep Liberty with the diesel option. mel -Original Message- *From:* Mel Riser *Sent:* Mon 8/29/2005 1:35 PM *To:* Biofuel@sustainablelists.org; Biofuel@sustainablelists.org *Cc:* *Subject:* Re: [Biofuel] Sept 1 declared no buy gas day I'm gonna go down and fill up ALL my diesel vehicles with B100 that day. mel ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Water heater
Marty Phee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Will a water heater ware out/rust out? Say if you start from a new heater. How long can you expect it to last? Marty, and all I am currently using six water heaters that have been in service for a little over five years. (One has actually been operating as a waste oil burner since 1996) and to date I have seen no sign of rust through and/or burn out. I have several more used water heaters that I am in the midst of converting for one project or another. ALL of the ones I am using were used to start with. One had a small leak in the seam when I originally obtained it, but I am lucky enough to have a complete steel fabrication shop here so repairing that wasn't too difficult. I have two electric tanks that I left the heating elements in to use as pre-heaters. Others are my first 'still' experiments and are fired with a modified propane burner, now running on methane gas. Those two would be the ones that I suspect will burn out first (the bottom area) so I keep a closer eye on them, but so far no sign of trouble. In our area the local trash companies collect used appliances (including water heaters) from off the side of the road once each quarter (every three months) so I always keep an eye out the weekend before the collection date and pickup all the water heaters I see. BUT, I have never used a new one for anything so can only guess about that, but my thought would be this: each of the heater tanks I am using now had been used for water heating for years before I got ahold of them. I KNOW they have lasted from five years to nine years (and still counting) so I would think it would be safe to say a new water heater tank should easily give you ten years of service, if you buy a quality one to start with. But a suggestion; if this will be your first 'project' using a water heater tank, why not see if you can find one at a local salvage yard or dump. The days of 'freebies from those kind of places are over (at least everyplace I know of) but the 'scrapper' is only going to get five dollars tops for the old heater, so they'd surely sell you one for ten bucks??? That would be a much smaller investment then a new water heater. However, if you have some experience with your project already and want to make sure you start with a good tank, maybe new would be the way to go? I guess only you can make that choice, but based on my own personal uses, a used tank will give you a good deal of service and provides a very inexpensive way to 'experiment'. BTW, I have built several other cookers and stills since those first ones and in some projects I have use one inch steel plate (for fireboxes and support walls of a digester) and a couple of heavy gauge stainless steel tanks, but the old water heaters are still used regularly and are going fine. To be fair, the two waste-oil burners I built (one sixty gallons and one eighty gallons) are only used regularly about four months each year and then sporadically through the rest of the year. But on the other hand, they also take the most abuse and extreme heat conditions. Hope that helps a little, and I'm sure there are others on this list with a lot more experience using water heaters then I. I got my original ideas and plans from a Mother Earth News magazine from 1980, so there are a lot of people that have been doing this much longer then I have. My 'experience' only started in 1996. GOOD LUCK and happy fueling. Bob C. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Query on MTBE
Thanks keith, I raised the matter as the petroleum marketing companies are introducing slightly costlier petrol with brand names extra mile, speed petrol and premium petrol etc. the distributors are unable to say what is the additive. The marketing company websites are equally vague. And now a reputed marketing company imports a huge qty of MTBE , the value added petrol is suspect and the citizens must know the hazards associated with it. It sounds right up their alley. Strength to your arm. Best wishes Keith Regards Subramanian Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Subramanian Not of direct use, like Juan's reply, but this might be useful - factsheet and other resources on MTBE as an oxygenate additive: http://journeytoforever.org/ethanol_mtbe.html MTBE Fact Sheet Best wishes Keith Hello Members, MTBE Methyl tertiary butyl ether - an oxygenate for blending with gasoline in U.S around 1990, acquired a bad reputation quickly because of its capacity for polluting the environment and affecting human beings. I understand that the groundwater in most parts of US has been polluted with MTBE to varying degrees; it was banned in certain States of US for mixing with gasoline. It is banned in India too, as an oxygenate. Can any of you tell me what could be the possible use of MTBE other than as an oxygenate additive when a reputed oil refining and marketing company buys 10 tmt of MTBE from VITOL traders. I want to be doubly sure before raising this in the Indian Press.Thank you. Regards, Subramanian ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Linux, virii and Microsoft
I totally agree. My only complaint w/ Linux is that after I install a Linux/Samba server, I never see the client again! I have servers running over 600 days. I make my living on (ick!) Windows machines. They blow up all the time. Keith Addison wrote: Hi Mike snip I personally think Open Source dovetails nicely with the let's move beyond allowing giant corporations to rule our lives thread that underpins many homebrewers. With a few exceptions perhaps, but I agree it's part of the homebrewers culture, or anti-culture or whatever. This is from a previous post to the list by Thor Skov: I just want to say how important what you all are doing here is (I'm just an interested bystander). Closed-system fuel production, on a local or small regional scale, tied to local resources, using accessible technologies, and dependent on entrepreneurial innovation combined with open-source information exchange--it's AWESOME. Keep up the good work everyone, before the planet fries. We had Open Source technology development in mind when we started the Biofuel list, but with Appropriate Technology rather than software. It works very well! Best wishes Keith snip ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Government Regs
Right now, Arkansas does not recognize biodiesel as a motor fuel and therefore it is not taxed, at least that is what I hear from the state energy office who contacted the appropriate folks in the department of finance and administration. The best I can tell from discussions on this list was that small producers of biodiesel are exempt from federal taxes. Peter Childers wrote: I am investigating the State of North Carolina tax regulations on BioFuel production. I find out the tax rate is 27.1 cents per gallon and I have to post a surety bond for $2000 for a license. That is required for any type of Biodiesel production up to 500,000 gallons per year. I am still investigating the Federal tax requirements. North Carolina has even defined blending, mixing of regular diesel with WVO as a person who needs to post this bond. So if you plan to drive up to the French fry shack and dump some WVO in your tank you'll need a license with a $2000 bond and have to pay a tax. How is it in other States? Are all you Biodieselers operating in the underground market? Peter ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Bob Allen http://ozarker.org/bob Science is what we have learned about how to keep from fooling ourselves — Richard Feynman ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] US Intelligent Design Campaign and natural disaster hits oil prices.
no, no Mike, the real truth about origins can be found in the following: http://www.venganza.org/ (you really need to follow the link for the graphs.) TO KANSAS SCHOOL BOARD I am writing you with much concern after having read of your hearing to decide whether the alternative theory of Intelligent Design should be taught along with the theory of Evolution. I think we can all agree that it is important for students to hear multiple viewpoints so they can choose for themselves the theory that makes the most sense to them. I am concerned, however, that students will only hear one theory of Intelligent Design. Let us remember that there are multiple theories of Intelligent Design. I and many others around the world are of the strong belief that the universe was created by a Flying Spaghetti Monster. It was He who created all that we see and all that we feel. We feel strongly that the overwhelming scientific evidence pointing towards evolutionary processes is nothing but a coincidence, put in place by Him. It is for this reason that I’m writing you today, to formally request that this alternative theory be taught in your schools, along with the other two theories. In fact, I will go so far as to say, if you do not agree to do this, we will be forced to proceed with legal action. I’m sure you see where we are coming from. If the Intelligent Design theory is not based on faith, but instead another scientific theory, as is claimed, then you must also allow our theory to be taught, as it is also based on science, not on faith. Some find that hard to believe, so it may be helpful to tell you a little more about our beliefs. We have evidence that a Flying Spaghetti Monster created the universe. None of us, of course, were around to see it, but we have written accounts of it. We have several lengthy volumes explaining all details of His power. Also, you may be surprised to hear that there are over 10 million of us, and growing. We tend to be very secretive, as many people claim our beliefs are not substantiated by observable evidence. What these people don’t understand is that He built the world to make us think the earth is older than it really is. For example, a scientist may perform a carbon-dating process on an artifact. He finds that approximately 75% of the Carbon-14 has decayed by electron emission to Nitrogen-14, and infers that this artifact is approximately 10,000 years old, as the half-life of Carbon-14 appears to be 5,730 years. But what our scientist does not realize is that every time he makes a measurement, the Flying Spaghetti Monster is there changing the results with His Noodly Appendage. We have numerous texts that describe in detail how this can be possible and the reasons why He does this. He is of course invisible and can pass through normal matter with ease. I’m sure you now realize how important it is that your students are taught this alternate theory. It is absolutely imperative that they realize that observable evidence is at the discretion of a Flying Spaghetti Monster. Furthermore, it is disrespectful to teach our beliefs without wearing His chosen outfit, which of course is full pirate regalia. I cannot stress the importance of this enough, and unfortunately cannot describe in detail why this must be done as I fear this letter is already becoming too long. The concise explanation is that He becomes angry if we don’t. You may be interested to know that global warming, earthquakes, hurricanes, and other natural disasters are a direct effect of the shrinking numbers of Pirates since the 1800s. For your interest, I have included a graph of the approximate number of pirates versus the average global temperature over the last 200 years. As you can see, there is a statistically significant inverse relationship between pirates and global temperature. In conclusion, thank you for taking the time to hear our views and beliefs. I hope I was able to convey the importance of teaching this theory to your students. We will of course be able to train the teachers in this alternate theory. I am eagerly awaiting your response, and hope dearly that no legal action will need to be taken. I think we can all look forward to the time when these three theories are given equal time in our science classrooms across the country, and eventually the world; One third time for Intelligent Design, one third time for Flying Spaghetti Monsterism, and one third time for logical conjecture based on overwhelming observable evidence. Mike Weaver wrote: Well, despite all the hoopla put forth by our religiously-minded national leaders here in the US, I am have been shocked to find NO support for my campaign to replace evolution with the oldest documented evidence of Intelligent Design. Hinduism is easily 7000 years old, and clearly the most likely candidate in terms of a continuing body of knowledge, and successful propagation. NONE of the
Re: [Biofuel] Religion, Politics Biofuels, and Illusion
Hi Keith, et alii. On Aug 30, 2005, at 3:35 AM, Keith Addison wrote: Hello Taryn, Pannirselvam Did you read this? http://sustainablelists.org/pipermail/biofuel_sustainablelists.org/200 5-August/003230.html Or: http://snipurl.com/hb3u [Biofuel] Robertson et al VS. followers Who Would Jesus Assassinate? Hugo Chavez and the Men Who Claim to Speak for Jesus Yes, I did read them. Following them, or a similar thread, (now misplaced) led me to some striking information regarding the US's post-war anti-communist efforts in Italy, and later in Latin America. Following that taught me more about the role of the jesuits, and liberation theology, in Latin American politics. Trying to recover that misplaced thread last night led to many sites accusing liberation theologists of being pawns of the communists. Then to some ugly accusations regarding the role of the jesuits in bringing together the Vatican and the National Socialists (Nazis) in pre-war Germany. Of course, the German National Socialist Party was socialist in name only by the 1940s. So, I too, learn more of the twisted history that led to our bizarre predicaments of today, reading the Biofuel list. It is truly a great resource, let me add my thanks to that expressed by Doug and Pannirselvam. (and many others) In one more strange twist of fate, the venues that bring us all together; ethernet, bsd servers, and the internet, were developed with much funding from ARPA, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Defense_Advanced_Research_Projects_Agency which was created to respond to The Communist Threat. Now of course the internet is one of our best tools for responding to the Capitalist Threat. Regarding the Clash of Civilisations, it's astonishing that Christians, Jews, and Muslims, all worshipping the same God of Israel, have been at each others throats, squabbling over the parched scraps of a long gone society, for more than a thousand years. For anyone perplexed over this conflict, I highly recommend Tom Robbins' Skinny Legs and All. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0553377884 I've re-read this a few times in my struggles to understand the middle east. It is illuminating, to say the least. If you've not read Robbins' stuff before, you might want start with a few of his earlier works, e.g. Still Life with Woodpecker or Jitterbug Perfume, since his work is rich and complex. Again, thanks to all here who help us see past the veils, to a larger world. Taryn ornae.com I was wanting to say something about liberation theology but I posted that instead. By the way, here's Doug's post, Religion, Politics Biofuels, and Thanks!: http://sustainablelists.org/pipermail/biofuel_sustainablelists.org/200 5-August/003279.html Or: http://snipurl.com/hb3w I don't want to interpret, but I think what Doug's talking about is mainly how religion-of-a-sort is driving politics and the other issues in the US and in US foreign policy, along with the nonsense about the US and Islam, the odious Clash of Civilisations type of thinking and so on, and maybe the strange marriage of Christian Zionists in the US and colonial Zionism in Israel and its effects on politics, foreign policy, Middle East oil and all the fish. On the other hand, there's India and Pakistan, who should surely be brothers rather than nuclear enemies... They don't seem to refer to each other as Indians and Pakistanis as often as Hindus and Muslims. Isn't it time to seek to bury the hatchet somewhere else than in each other's heads? Best wishes Keith Hello Pannirselvam, Forgive me for taking exception to some things you said to Doug. I've ... American Evangelical Fundamentalist sects are also gaining power in Latin America, and they too are a constant source of AIDS misinformation. As they have no history of liberation theology, we can be sure that their missions will be bound to NeoCon goals. I certainly agree with your suspicions about corporate and media power being used to suppress democratic processes all over the world, but I suspect that the church often falls on the wrong side of this battle, they have usually supported the economic elite in class struggles, even as their missionaries were striving to help the poor and dispossessed. I know you're 'on the ground' in Brazil, and you're seeing many courageous, dedicated christians doing good works, against great odds. I guess I'm trying to say that you're seeing those with 'true religion with ethics and also true democratic politics' actually doing what needs doing. Those who send them often have other goals. Taryn ornae.com On Aug 29, 2005, at 5:35 PM, Pannirselvam P.V wrote: Dear Doug Swanson I appreciate your well thoughtful letter regarding our list.But I am not able to fully understand yet that religion develop illusion as I native of India , presently in Brazil . Here religion
Re: [Biofuel] BP loses money?? Yeah, right.
What about a tax based on holdings, land, assets, material wealth basically rather than income which allows these loopholes. Those with more pay more. Joe David M. Brockes wrote: This is why we need a "Flat Tax" system in this country for both Individual and Business. 8% to 12% would provide a tax base much more robust than what we have todayand most of us would probably pay less, but certainly everyone would pay a "fair" share.and think of all the savings there would be from all the "extra" costs currently related to our Tax system!! Just IMHO!! Dave -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 9:51 AM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] BP loses money?? Yeah, right. It's all part of the standard multinational corporation planning to move the profits to the jurisdiction in which they are taxed least (preferably not at all). Doug Woodard St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada On Mon, 29 Aug 2005, Jerry Eyers wrote: Funny tidbit. BP says they loose money on their gas stations, $100mil last year. You refine it, you transport it, you store it, you delivery it, and you sell it. How do you loose money when you control all aspects of it. Just by vertues of econmies of scale you have to make money. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] US Intelligent Design Campaign and natural disaster hits oil prices.
Bob, Bob, Bob. You poor deluded fool. I think everyone knows the world exists on a Great White Handkerchief, and will end when The Great Sneeze comes. If you don't change your thinking, you, and all unbelievers, will be cast into everlasting snot. The Flying Spaghetti Monster is a false idol. You have tricked by the forces of darkness into believing that there is free marinara for everyone, we will never run out of parmasean, and that the noodle goes on forever. Not true. I will pray for you. More importantly, YOU can help spread the work by sending your contribution to Committee to Advance Spiritual Handkerchiefism, or to make is easier, just make it out to CASH and forward to me. Bless you. -Mike bob allen wrote: no, no Mike, the real truth about origins can be found in the following: http://www.venganza.org/ (you really need to follow the link for the graphs.) TO KANSAS SCHOOL BOARD I am writing you with much concern after having read of your hearing to decide whether the alternative theory of Intelligent Design should be taught along with the theory of Evolution. I think we can all agree that it is important for students to hear multiple viewpoints so they can choose for themselves the theory that makes the most sense to them. I am concerned, however, that students will only hear one theory of Intelligent Design. Let us remember that there are multiple theories of Intelligent Design. I and many others around the world are of the strong belief that the universe was created by a Flying Spaghetti Monster. It was He who created all that we see and all that we feel. We feel strongly that the overwhelming scientific evidence pointing towards evolutionary processes is nothing but a coincidence, put in place by Him. It is for this reason that I’m writing you today, to formally request that this alternative theory be taught in your schools, along with the other two theories. In fact, I will go so far as to say, if you do not agree to do this, we will be forced to proceed with legal action. I’m sure you see where we are coming from. If the Intelligent Design theory is not based on faith, but instead another scientific theory, as is claimed, then you must also allow our theory to be taught, as it is also based on science, not on faith. Some find that hard to believe, so it may be helpful to tell you a little more about our beliefs. We have evidence that a Flying Spaghetti Monster created the universe. None of us, of course, were around to see it, but we have written accounts of it. We have several lengthy volumes explaining all details of His power. Also, you may be surprised to hear that there are over 10 million of us, and growing. We tend to be very secretive, as many people claim our beliefs are not substantiated by observable evidence. What these people don’t understand is that He built the world to make us think the earth is older than it really is. For example, a scientist may perform a carbon-dating process on an artifact. He finds that approximately 75% of the Carbon-14 has decayed by electron emission to Nitrogen-14, and infers that this artifact is approximately 10,000 years old, as the half-life of Carbon-14 appears to be 5,730 years. But what our scientist does not realize is that every time he makes a measurement, the Flying Spaghetti Monster is there changing the results with His Noodly Appendage. We have numerous texts that describe in detail how this can be possible and the reasons why He does this. He is of course invisible and can pass through normal matter with ease. I’m sure you now realize how important it is that your students are taught this alternate theory. It is absolutely imperative that they realize that observable evidence is at the discretion of a Flying Spaghetti Monster. Furthermore, it is disrespectful to teach our beliefs without wearing His chosen outfit, which of course is full pirate regalia. I cannot stress the importance of this enough, and unfortunately cannot describe in detail why this must be done as I fear this letter is already becoming too long. The concise explanation is that He becomes angry if we don’t. You may be interested to know that global warming, earthquakes, hurricanes, and other natural disasters are a direct effect of the shrinking numbers of Pirates since the 1800s. For your interest, I have included a graph of the approximate number of pirates versus the average global temperature over the last 200 years. As you can see, there is a statistically significant inverse relationship between pirates and global temperature. In conclusion, thank you for taking the time to hear our views and beliefs. I hope I was able to convey the importance of teaching this theory to your students. We will of course be able to train the teachers in this alternate theory. I am eagerly awaiting your response, and hope dearly that no legal action will need to be taken. I think we can all look
Re: [Biofuel] Cohabitation
What!? I have kids!!? I think Doug's got the wrong Mike on that quote (as Mike Weaver already noticed). :-) Mike Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nah, the kids have their own room.Douglas Smith wrote:Michael Redler wrote:"Uh oh. I'm cohabitating illegally. Wait'll I tell my GF. "You know, Michael, I don't have anything against you and your girlfriend doing whatever you like in private - or any other straight couple - but must you flaunt it in front of the rest of us? The children might see and then we'd have to explain!(NOTE: Tongue planted firmly in cheek)Doug"The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness."- economist John Kenneth Galbraith___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Water heater
5-15 years, then they start leaking. Bob Clark wrote: Marty Phee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Will a water heater ware out/rust out? Say if you start from a new heater. How long can you expect it to last? Marty, and all I am currently using six water heaters that have been in service for a little over five years. (One has actually been operating as a waste oil burner since 1996) and to date I have seen no sign of rust through and/or burn out. I have several more used water heaters that I am in the midst of converting for one project or another. ALL of the ones I am using were used to start with. One had a small leak in the seam when I originally obtained it, but I am lucky enough to have a complete steel fabrication shop here so repairing that wasn't too difficult. I have two electric tanks that I left the heating elements in to use as pre-heaters. Others are my first 'still' experiments and are fired with a modified propane burner, now running on methane gas. Those two would be the ones that I suspect will burn out first (the bottom area) so I keep a closer eye on them, but so far no sign of trouble. In our area the local trash companies collect used appliances (including water heaters) from off the side of the road once each quarter (every three months) so I always keep an eye out the weekend before the collection date and pickup all the water heaters I see. BUT, I have never used a new one for anything so can only guess about that, but my thought would be this: each of the heater tanks I am using now had been used for water heating for years before I got ahold of them. I KNOW they have lasted from five years to nine years (and still counting) so I would think it would be safe to say a new water heater tank should easily give you ten years of service, if you buy a quality one to start with. But a suggestion; if this will be your first 'project' using a water heater tank, why not see if you can find one at a local salvage yard or dump. The days of 'freebies from those kind of places are over (at least everyplace I know of) but the 'scrapper' is only going to get five dollars tops for the old heater, so they'd surely sell you one for ten bucks??? That would be a much smaller investment then a new water heater. However, if you have some experience with your project already and want to make sure you start with a good tank, maybe new would be the way to go? I guess only you can make that choice, but based on my own personal uses, a used tank will give you a good deal of service and provides a very inexpensive way to 'experiment'. BTW, I have built several other cookers and stills since those first ones and in some projects I have use one inch steel plate (for fireboxes and support walls of a digester) and a couple of heavy gauge stainless steel tanks, but the old water heaters are still used regularly and are going fine. To be fair, the two waste-oil burners I built (one sixty gallons and one eighty gallons) are only used regularly about four months each year and then sporadically through the rest of the year. But on the other hand, they also take the most abuse and extreme heat conditions. Hope that helps a little, and I'm sure there are others on this list with a lot more experience using water heaters then I. I got my original ideas and plans from a Mother Earth News magazine from 1980, so there are a lot of people that have been doing this much longer then I have. My 'experience' only started in 1996. GOOD LUCK and happy fueling. Bob C. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Cohabitation
I am the one and true Mike. This other fellow is clearly an imposter. Do not follow false Mikes. I personally will lead you into temptation. I am running for president. My slogan is: Mike Weaver for president: A troubled man for troubled times. Michael Redler wrote: What!? I have kids!!? I think Doug's got the wrong Mike on that quote (as Mike Weaver already noticed). :-) Mike */Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: Nah, the kids have their own room. Douglas Smith wrote: Michael Redler wrote: Uh oh. I'm cohabitating illegally. Wait'll I tell my GF. You know, Michael, I don't have anything against you and your girlfriend doing whatever you like in private - or any other straight couple - but must you flaunt it in front of the rest of us? The children might see and then we'd have to explain! (NOTE: Tongue planted firmly in cheek) Doug The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. - economist John Kenneth Galbraith ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Anyone know if I can run 15% ethanol in an Isuzu 2.64banger?
Hello Mike. You could run your gasoline vehicle on 15% methanol, BUT the methanol is quite aggressive and may cause corrosion in your fuel system quite rapidly. If your car is equipped with a carburettor, you should adjust the CO exhaust value, when running on methanol/gasoline, according to the stated min value by the manufacturer in order to avoid that the fuel/air mixture becomes too lean. If that is not possible, do not use the methanol for fuel. You will notice a clear increase in fuel consumption. Methanol has a clear tendency of forming acid compounds during engine warm-up. These compounds will attack the lubricating oil layers in your engine. You may expect twice the wear compared to running on pure gasoline (or even ethanol for that matter). Please let me know how you intend to proceed. Good luck ! Jan Jan Warnqvist AGERATEC AB [EMAIL PROTECTED] + 46 554 201 89 +46 70 499 38 45 - Original Message - From: Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 2:02 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Anyone know if I can run 15% ethanol in an Isuzu 2.64banger? ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Query on MTBE
I remember hearing something about toxic fuel additives here in Canada years ago. The story was basically that an additive was known to be harmful and present in exhaust emissions (or some harmful byproduct of combustion of the additive) and it was still being used and the manufacturer was aware of it but declined to comment. The company was Ethyl corporation. I just checked their website( http://www.ethyl.com/Operations/index.htm ) but they don't say anything much other than listing gasoline performance additives as a product. Is it MTBE? does anyone know? Joe subramanian D.V wrote: Thanks keith, I raised the matter as the petroleum marketing companies are introducingslightly costlier petrol with brand names "extra mile", "speed petrol" and "premium petrol" etc. the distributors are unable to say what is the additive. The marketing company websites are equally vague. And now a reputed marketing company imports a huge qty of MTBE , the value added petrol is suspect and the citizens must know the hazards associated with it. Regards Subramanian Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Subramanian Not of direct use, like Juan's reply, but this might be useful - factsheet and other resources on MTBE as an oxygenate additive: http://journeytoforever.org/ethanol_mtbe.html MTBE Fact Sheet Best wishes Keith Hello Members, MTBE Methyl tertiary butyl ether - an oxygenate for blending with gasoline in U.S around 1990, acquired a bad reputation quickly because of its capacity for polluting the environment and affecting human beings. I understand that the groundwater in most parts of US has been polluted with MTBE to varying degrees; it was banned in certain States of US for mixing with gasoline. It is banned in India too, as an oxygenate. Can any of you tell me what could be the possible use of MTBE other than as an oxygenate additive when a reputed oil refining and marketing company buys 10 tmt of MTBE from VITOL traders. I want to be doubly sure before raising this in the Indian Press.Thank you. Regards, Subramanian ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Anyone know if I can run 15% ethanol in an Isuzu 2.64banger?
Yikes. After that I plan to run in the opposite direction. I have and 88 gas Trooper I use to haul WVO and crap. It's EFI. Thanks for the info! Jan Warnqvist wrote: Hello Mike. You could run your gasoline vehicle on 15% methanol, BUT the methanol is quite aggressive and may cause corrosion in your fuel system quite rapidly. If your car is equipped with a carburettor, you should adjust the CO exhaust value, when running on methanol/gasoline, according to the stated min value by the manufacturer in order to avoid that the fuel/air mixture becomes too lean. If that is not possible, do not use the methanol for fuel. You will notice a clear increase in fuel consumption. Methanol has a clear tendency of forming acid compounds during engine warm-up. These compounds will attack the lubricating oil layers in your engine. You may expect twice the wear compared to running on pure gasoline (or even ethanol for that matter). Please let me know how you intend to proceed. Good luck ! Jan Jan Warnqvist AGERATEC AB [EMAIL PROTECTED] + 46 554 201 89 +46 70 499 38 45 - Original Message - From: Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 2:02 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Anyone know if I can run 15% ethanol in an Isuzu 2.64banger? ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Water heater
Sorry, that's false. It should have read: A water heater will not leak unless you are on vacation. Mike Weaver wrote: 5-15 years, then they start leaking. Bob Clark wrote: Marty Phee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Will a water heater ware out/rust out? Say if you start from a new heater. How long can you expect it to last? Marty, and all I am currently using six water heaters that have been in service for a little over five years. (One has actually been operating as a waste oil burner since 1996) and to date I have seen no sign of rust through and/or burn out. I have several more used water heaters that I am in the midst of converting for one project or another. ALL of the ones I am using were used to start with. One had a small leak in the seam when I originally obtained it, but I am lucky enough to have a complete steel fabrication shop here so repairing that wasn't too difficult. I have two electric tanks that I left the heating elements in to use as pre-heaters. Others are my first 'still' experiments and are fired with a modified propane burner, now running on methane gas. Those two would be the ones that I suspect will burn out first (the bottom area) so I keep a closer eye on them, but so far no sign of trouble. In our area the local trash companies collect used appliances (including water heaters) from off the side of the road once each quarter (every three months) so I always keep an eye out the weekend before the collection date and pickup all the water heaters I see. BUT, I have never used a new one for anything so can only guess about that, but my thought would be this: each of the heater tanks I am using now had been used for water heating for years before I got ahold of them. I KNOW they have lasted from five years to nine years (and still counting) so I would think it would be safe to say a new water heater tank should easily give you ten years of service, if you buy a quality one to start with. But a suggestion; if this will be your first 'project' using a water heater tank, why not see if you can find one at a local salvage yard or dump. The days of 'freebies from those kind of places are over (at least everyplace I know of) but the 'scrapper' is only going to get five dollars tops for the old heater, so they'd surely sell you one for ten bucks??? That would be a much smaller investment then a new water heater. However, if you have some experience with your project already and want to make sure you start with a good tank, maybe new would be the way to go? I guess only you can make that choice, but based on my own personal uses, a used tank will give you a good deal of service and provides a very inexpensive way to 'experiment'. BTW, I have built several other cookers and stills since those first ones and in some projects I have use one inch steel plate (for fireboxes and support walls of a digester) and a couple of heavy gauge stainless steel tanks, but the old water heaters are still used regularly and are going fine. To be fair, the two waste-oil burners I built (one sixty gallons and one eighty gallons) are only used regularly about four months each year and then sporadically through the rest of the year. But on the other hand, they also take the most abuse and extreme heat conditions. Hope that helps a little, and I'm sure there are others on this list with a lot more experience using water heaters then I. I got my original ideas and plans from a Mother Earth News magazine from 1980, so there are a lot of people that have been doing this much longer then I have. My 'experience' only started in 1996. GOOD LUCK and happy fueling. Bob C. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Linux, virii and Microsoft
Perhaps you would like to share the secret with us uninformed. Greg H. - Original Message - From: Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 6:09 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Linux, virii and Microsoft You can make a perfectly decent router/firewall with a 486. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Oil questions
http://futures.tradingcharts.com/marketquotes/HU.html I don't know where John got his price but this is a link where you can check the daily price of canola oil (and a lot of other oils and grains as well). You can also keep up with the fossil prices if you want an idea of where the rest of the world is going from month to month? Bob C. -Original Message- From: Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Aug 30, 2005 7:56 AM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Oil questions Where did you find that price? I've made Biodiesel from canola successfully. John Wilson wrote: Hi Has anyone tried canola oil in their oil pan as a substitute for fossil oil. If so what were the results. :http://www.rense.com/ufo/motoroil.htm How many liters in a tonne of canola oil. spot price for Canola oil is $268.00 per tonne. How much is that per liter. I am taking a rough guess that a liter of canola oil weights .98 kgs roughly 26 cents per liter. Yours truly John Wilson ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Linux, virii and Microsoft
No. Then it wouldn't be a secret, would it? Bwahaha Try http://www.freesco.org/ or leaf.sourceforge.net or http://lrp.steinkuehler.net/ I've done it with a 486/66 w/ 32 MB and 2 3c507 cards. Plenty fast. Also look up DSL linux. Good luck! Greg and April wrote: Perhaps you would like to share the secret with us uninformed. Greg H. - Original Message - From: Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 6:09 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Linux, virii and Microsoft You can make a perfectly decent router/firewall with a 486. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Linux, virii and Microsoft
On Aug 30, 2005, at 8:19 AM, Mike Weaver wrote: I totally agree. My only complaint w/ Linux is that after I install a Linux/Samba server, I never see the client again! I have servers running over 600 days. I make my living on (ick!) Windows machines. They blow up all the time. ROFL Mike! I've been watching the linux/win debate shaping up here on the list and trying to stay out of it. After all how many religious wars can one woman get into at the same time? I use Linux or BSD on servers, and MacOS X on workstations. I think for non-nerds, MacOS X is much more approachable than Windows, Linux, or a naked BSD machine. Apple has open-sourced most of MacOS X as Darwin, keeping only the GUI and some apps and drivers proprietary http://developer.apple.com/darwin/ http://www.opendarwin.org/ I too find myself constantly patching up blasted WinPCs. Personally I won't use the crap from Redmond, not even Word and Office. (And don't even get me started on PowerPointless!) Invariably it's the same question and the same answer: How can I keep my computer from catching virii? Get a Mac. From http://ornae.com/30/torturing-your-customers-a-business-model (If you want references, see the original article, it's full of links.) Torturing your customers, A Business Model The recording industry has invested a great deal of time and money in a variety of schemes purporting to protect the rights of musicians. Of course they haven’t even slowed down either casual or professional pirates. Mostly, all they’ve done is annoy their customer base by making CDs that don’t play right. I’m not writing today to blast BMG, Sony, and the RIAA, they’re getting plenty of heat already. But I want to draw a parallel between the way the recording industry and Microsoft treat their customers. I just spent a few days rebuilding some WinXP machines for my neighbors that had succumbed to hardware failures and/or Windows malware , In each instance, the neighbor asked, ‘Why do these machines fail so quickly? Why is it so tedious to fix them?’ The first question deserves a few thousand words, but there have been millions written already and flame wars are tedious too. The most direct answer to the second question is, “Microsoft intentionally makes it damn near impossible for users to create bootable backups, or even useful offline backups.” Their licensing and copy protection schemes include components that prevent disk cloning, and prevent disk images from booting if they were created by cloning, that force relicensing when a computer has parts replaced. This of course doesn’t slow down teenage script kiddies and professional OS counterfeiters in the least, but it does make life miserable for every legitimate windows user on the planet. In an ideal world, you would use simple commands or GUI tools to create a mirror image of your installed and customized system on separate partitions or disks. Other simple tools would allow you choose which image your system booted from. When that image booted, it would work right whether it was drive C:, D: or Z:, That image would boot correctly, even if it was hooked up to a significantly different computer. This is not an imaginary ideal, it is the world of Linux, of BSD UNIX, of MacOS. Only Windows OSes fall on their swords, on purpose, when users do perfectly reasonable things like pull a backup drive out of the safe and try to boot it on a new computer. Why is this a reasonable thing? Well the payroll computer caught fire yesterday, and we need to make payroll today. But Microsoft doesn’t see it that way, they think their customers are all thieves and are trying to steal WinXP. Yeah, like we really care! So, there’s the parallel. The recording industry exhibits complete disdain for their customers, (And their suppliers, most musicians are treated like dogs by recording companies.) Microsoft subscribes to the same business model, drumming up business by trotting out the next big thing, which is usually entirely derivative, gouging huge profits, while treating the buyers like cattle at best, and thieves at worst. Bad enough we paid money for this stuff, how much of our precious time must we spend trying to restore a machine taken to its knees by the virus of the day. I’m sure many of you are going to trot out Ghost, or Partition Magic, or the latest Whiz-bang Norton tool, or BackupOmatic II, as your personal favorite fix for this problem. Just like you, I’ve come up with ways to defeat the intent of Microsoft, so I could get some work done. But the fact still stands: They did this on purpose, and all it really does is torture their customers. Taryn ornae.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the
Re: [Biofuel] Query on MTBE
I think it was MMT. MMT is a manganese-based compound that is added to gasoline to enhance octane and reduce engine knocking. Canadian legislators are concerned that the manganese in MMT emissions poses a significant public health risk. In addition, automobile manufacturers have long argued that MMT damages emissions diagnostics and control equipment in cars, thus increasing fuel emissions in general. Ethyl is the products only manufacturer.1 http://www.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/mtbe.htm Darryl McMahon Date sent: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 09:35:51 -0400 From: Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject:Re: [Biofuel] Query on MTBE Send reply to: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I remember hearing something about toxic fuel additives here in Canada years ago. The story was basically that an additive was known to be harmful and present in exhaust emissions (or some harmful byproduct of combustion of the additive) and it was still being used and the manufacturer was aware of it but declined to comment. The company was Ethyl corporation. I just checked their website( http://www.ethyl.com/Operations/index.htm ) but they don't say anything much other than listing gasoline performance additives as a product. Is it MTBE? does anyone know? Joe subramanian D.V wrote: Thanks keith, I raised the matter as the petroleum marketing companies are introducing slightly costlier petrol with brand names extra mile, speed petrol and premium petrol etc. the distributors are unable to say what is the additive. The marketing company websites are equally vague. And now a reputed marketing company imports a huge qty of MTBE , the value added petrol is suspect and the citizens must know the hazards associated with it. Regards Subramanian */Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: Hello Subramanian Not of direct use, like Juan's reply, but this might be useful - factsheet and other resources on MTBE as an oxygenate additive: http://journeytoforever.org/ethanol_mtbe.html MTBE Fact Sheet Best wishes Keith Hello Members, MTBE - Methyl tertiary butyl ether - an oxygenate for blending with gasoline in U.S around 1990, acquired a bad reputation quickly because of its capacity for polluting the environment and affecting human beings. I understand that the groundwater in most parts of US has been polluted with MTBE to varying degrees; it was banned in certain States of US for mixing with gasoline. It is banned in India too, as an oxygenate. Can any of you tell me what could be the possible use of MTBE other than as an oxygenate additive when a reputed oil refining and marketing company buys 10 tmt of MTBE from VITOL traders. I want to be doubly sure before raising this in the Indian Press.Thank you. Regards, Subramanian ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=34442/*http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Darryl McMahon http://www.econogics.com/ It's your planet. If you won't look after it, who will? ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] US Intelligent Design Campaign and natural disaster hits oil prices.
Thank you Bob, this is too funny, Also have a look at these disclaimer stickers. http://www.swarthmore.edu/NatSci/cpurrin1/textbookdisclaimers/ Taryn ornae.com On Aug 30, 2005, at 8:32 AM, bob allen wrote: no, no Mike, the real truth about origins can be found in the following: http://www.venganza.org/ (you really need to follow the link for the graphs.) TO KANSAS SCHOOL BOARD I am writing you with much concern after having read of your hearing to decide whether the alternative theory of Intelligent Design should be taught along with the theory of Evolution. I think we can all agree that it is important for students to hear multiple viewpoints so they can choose for themselves the theory that makes the most sense to them. I am concerned, however, that students will only hear one theory of Intelligent Design. Let us remember that there are multiple theories of Intelligent Design. I and many others around the world are of the strong belief that the universe was created by a Flying Spaghetti Monster. It was He who created all that we see and all that we feel. We feel strongly that the overwhelming scientific evidence pointing towards evolutionary processes is nothing but a coincidence, put in place by Him. ... ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Linux, virii and Microsoft
I spent 5 years trying to move my clients to Linux for their servers. Mostly I succeded. I haven't had much luck with Linux on the desktop, and have pretty much given up the figt, which is funny because it's about where it needs to be! I think OSX is the best thing going and use it for my graphics stuff. Unfortunately I make my living fixing Windows. It used to upset me but not I just bill them and move on. Oh well. No good deed goes unpunished! TarynToo wrote: On Aug 30, 2005, at 8:19 AM, Mike Weaver wrote: I totally agree. My only complaint w/ Linux is that after I install a Linux/Samba server, I never see the client again! I have servers running over 600 days. I make my living on (ick!) Windows machines. They blow up all the time. ROFL Mike! I've been watching the linux/win debate shaping up here on the list and trying to stay out of it. After all how many religious wars can one woman get into at the same time? I use Linux or BSD on servers, and MacOS X on workstations. I think for non-nerds, MacOS X is much more approachable than Windows, Linux, or a naked BSD machine. Apple has open-sourced most of MacOS X as Darwin, keeping only the GUI and some apps and drivers proprietary http://developer.apple.com/darwin/ http://www.opendarwin.org/ I too find myself constantly patching up blasted WinPCs. Personally I won't use the crap from Redmond, not even Word and Office. (And don't even get me started on PowerPointless!) Invariably it's the same question and the same answer: How can I keep my computer from catching virii? Get a Mac. From http://ornae.com/30/torturing-your-customers-a-business-model (If you want references, see the original article, it's full of links.) Torturing your customers, A Business Model The recording industry has invested a great deal of time and money in a variety of schemes purporting to protect the rights of musicians. Of course they haven’t even slowed down either casual or professional pirates. Mostly, all they’ve done is annoy their customer base by making CDs that don’t play right. I’m not writing today to blast BMG, Sony, and the RIAA, they’re getting plenty of heat already. But I want to draw a parallel between the way the recording industry and Microsoft treat their customers. I just spent a few days rebuilding some WinXP machines for my neighbors that had succumbed to hardware failures and/or Windows malware , In each instance, the neighbor asked, ‘Why do these machines fail so quickly? Why is it so tedious to fix them?’ The first question deserves a few thousand words, but there have been millions written already and flame wars are tedious too. The most direct answer to the second question is, “Microsoft intentionally makes it damn near impossible for users to create bootable backups, or even useful offline backups.” Their licensing and copy protection schemes include components that prevent disk cloning, and prevent disk images from booting if they were created by cloning, that force relicensing when a computer has parts replaced. This of course doesn’t slow down teenage script kiddies and professional OS counterfeiters in the least, but it does make life miserable for every legitimate windows user on the planet. In an ideal world, you would use simple commands or GUI tools to create a mirror image of your installed and customized system on separate partitions or disks. Other simple tools would allow you choose which image your system booted from. When that image booted, it would work right whether it was drive C:, D: or Z:, That image would boot correctly, even if it was hooked up to a significantly different computer. This is not an imaginary ideal, it is the world of Linux, of BSD UNIX, of MacOS. Only Windows OSes fall on their swords, on purpose, when users do perfectly reasonable things like pull a backup drive out of the safe and try to boot it on a new computer. Why is this a reasonable thing? Well the payroll computer caught fire yesterday, and we need to make payroll today. But Microsoft doesn’t see it that way, they think their customers are all thieves and are trying to steal WinXP. Yeah, like we really care! So, there’s the parallel. The recording industry exhibits complete disdain for their customers, (And their suppliers, most musicians are treated like dogs by recording companies.) Microsoft subscribes to the same business model, drumming up business by trotting out the next big thing, which is usually entirely derivative, gouging huge profits, while treating the buyers like cattle at best, and thieves at worst. Bad enough we paid money for this stuff, how much of our precious time must we spend trying to restore a machine taken to its knees by the virus of the day. I’m sure many of you are going to trot out Ghost, or Partition Magic, or the latest Whiz-bang Norton tool, or BackupOmatic II, as your personal favorite fix for this problem. Just like you,
Re: [Biofuel] Iran's Nuclear Program
no doubt under the pretext of liberating the canadian people from the injustice of a universal health care system. -chris b. In a message dated 8/24/05 7:46:14 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Suppose Canada decides that it will demand (which is our right) what it wants for that oil?. . .How little will it take before american troops show up to 'restore order' in our sovereign lands. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] How much?
How much is a bbl of say soy oil or palm oil. I'm not sure where to look online. bbls of this oil are 55gals right? Not the 42gals of crude oil. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Problems, problems, problems
Pieter, I agree with Kieth, it probably is not the anti-foaming agent which is there in parts per million conc(?). Have you titrated the stuff? Maybe a very high free fatty acid content? Or maybe it is all saturated fat? Another possibility is that something is extracted into the cooking oil in significant quantities, which solidifies when it is diluted with more oil? Pieter Koole wrote: Thanks Keith, If the silicone is not what is gelling the BD, what else can it be ? I still make BD from other suppliers without problems, but as soon as I mix any oil from this particular adress in it, it turns hard. With hard I mean as hard as butter in a fridge, so not jelly. Ok, but IF it is caused by the silicone, what can we do ? Because we will have to deal with this more and more in the future. Thanks again. Dag Pieter Hello all, I found a new adres where I can collect quit a bit of good quality oil, well, that is what I thought. In this oil is added what we call E900 ( a european code ) which is dimethylpolysiloxaan, to avoid the oil from foaming when they bake their chips. From this oil I get one great big lump of solid stuff when I try to make BD from it. Can anyone please help me ? Of course I could go and look for another restaurant, but this E900 is used more and more, so I will meet this problem more often in the future. E900 is a polymere from silicone : (C2H6OSi)n It's used here in Japan too, we did some research on it when we first came here. We've processed a lot of oil with silicone anti-foaming agent in it and it hasn't made any difference. It's a very small proportion in the oil though, I don't recall the exact figure. Maybe they use more in the EU, but I doubt that's what gelling your biodiesel. Best wishes Keith Met dank en vriendelijke groet, Pieter Koole Netherlands ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Bob Allen http://ozarker.org/bob Science is what we have learned about how to keep from fooling ourselves — Richard Feynman ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] BP loses money?? Yeah, right.
Howdy David, a flat tax would just reward the rich with lower taxes and punish the impoverished with taxes they didn't have before. The flat tax also will not address the flight of corporations to tax havens. flat tax- bad idea. David M. Brockes wrote: This is why we need a Flat Tax system in this country for both Individual and Business. 8% to 12% would provide a tax base much more robust than what we have todayand most of us would probably pay less, if most of us pay less, then somebody pays more. A 12% tax rate would mean tax break for the rich; hence, the poor would be paying more for the rich persons reduction. but certainly everyone would pay a fair share.and think of all the savings there would be from all the extra costs currently related to our Tax system!! Just IMHO!! Dave -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 9:51 AM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] BP loses money?? Yeah, right. It's all part of the standard multinational corporation planning to move the profits to the jurisdiction in which they are taxed least (preferably not at all). cut -- Bob Allen http://ozarker.org/bob Science is what we have learned about how to keep from fooling ourselves — Richard Feynman ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Water heater
Thanks for the info. My friend and I are going to do this. I'd like to start with a proven design and go from there and he has grand plans of how to do everything. I really don't have room to do it and he does so I need to give him leeway in the design. Bob Clark wrote: Marty Phee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Will a water heater ware out/rust out? Say if you start from a new heater. How long can you expect it to last? Marty, and all I am currently using six water heaters that have been in service for a little over five years. (One has actually been operating as a waste oil burner since 1996) and to date I have seen no sign of rust through and/or burn out. I have several more used water heaters that I am in the midst of converting for one project or another. ALL of the ones I am using were used to start with. One had a small leak in the seam when I originally obtained it, but I am lucky enough to have a complete steel fabrication shop here so repairing that wasn't too difficult. I have two electric tanks that I left the heating elements in to use as pre-heaters. Others are my first 'still' experiments and are fired with a modified propane burner, now running on methane gas. Those two would be the ones that I suspect will burn out first (the bottom area) so I keep a closer eye on them, but so far no sign of trouble. In our area the local trash companies collect used appliances (including water heaters) from off the side of the road once each quarter (every three months) so I always keep an eye out the weekend before the collection date and pickup all the water heaters I see. BUT, I have never used a new one for anything so can only guess about that, but my thought would be this: each of the heater tanks I am using now had been used for water heating for years before I got ahold of them. I KNOW they have lasted from five years to nine years (and still counting) so I would think it would be safe to say a new water heater tank should easily give you ten years of service, if you buy a quality one to start with. But a suggestion; if this will be your first 'project' using a water heater tank, why not see if you can find one at a local salvage yard or dump. The days of 'freebies from those kind of places are over (at least everyplace I know of) but the 'scrapper' is only going to get five dollars tops for the old heater, so they'd surely sell you one for ten bucks??? That would be a much smaller investment then a new water heater. However, if you have some experience with your project already and want to make sure you start with a good tank, maybe new would be the way to go? I guess only you can make that choice, but based on my own personal uses, a used tank will give you a good deal of service and provides a very inexpensive way to 'experiment'. BTW, I have built several other cookers and stills since those first ones and in some projects I have use one inch steel plate (for fireboxes and support walls of a digester) and a couple of heavy gauge stainless steel tanks, but the old water heaters are still used regularly and are going fine. To be fair, the two waste-oil burners I built (one sixty gallons and one eighty gallons) are only used regularly about four months each year and then sporadically through the rest of the year. But on the other hand, they also take the most abuse and extreme heat conditions. Hope that helps a little, and I'm sure there are others on this list with a lot more experience using water heaters then I. I got my original ideas and plans from a Mother Earth News magazine from 1980, so there are a lot of people that have been doing this much longer then I have. My 'experience' only started in 1996. GOOD LUCK and happy fueling. Bob C. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Linux, virii and Microsoft
http://linuxrouter.org/ Greg and April wrote: Perhaps you would like to share the secret with us uninformed. Greg H. - Original Message - From: Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 6:09 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Linux, virii and Microsoft You can make a perfectly decent router/firewall with a 486. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Iran's Nuclear Program
actually, from a strategic military standpoint, this is an extremely wise practice. in any high attrition conflict (read: protracted a/o bloody war), the human resources are depleted well before the hardware. trained pilots are about the most difficult personnel to replace and their loss represents a loss in capability many timers greater than does the loss of other service personnel. -chris b. In a message dated 8/24/05 2:50:59 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I admit I don't know the exact number of aircraft in readiness status, who does?. . .but I do know that Canadian pilots take a tour flying a desk simply because there aren't enough planes to go around. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Iran's Nuclear Program
LOL true we need someone to save us from a certain slow agonizing death in a hospital waiting room. A student of this university died recently after turning away from a huge waiting line with a case of viral meningitis. This is outrageous especially in a country where we pay so much tax. So much of that money is being wasted rather than making it to the areas that really need it like a reform of our healthcare system. Ahhh don't get me goin Joe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: no doubt under the pretext of liberating the canadian people from the injustice of a universal health care system. -chris b. In a message dated 8/24/05 7:46:14 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Suppose Canada decides that it will demand (which is our right) what it wants for that oil?. . .How little will it take before american troops show up to 'restore order' in our sovereign lands. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Iran's Nuclear Program
Except the loss of a pilot is most likely accompanied by the loss of an aircraft so when they are all gone what good does it do to have a bunch of trained pilots standing around with nothing to fly?? Joe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: actually, from a strategic military standpoint, this is an extremely wise practice. in any high attrition conflict (read: protracted a/o bloody war), the human resources are depleted well before the hardware. trained pilots are about the most difficult personnel to replace and their loss represents a loss in capability many timers greater than does the loss of other service personnel. -chris b. In a message dated 8/24/05 2:50:59 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I admit I don't know the exact number of aircraft in readiness status, who does?. . .but I do know that Canadian pilots take a tour flying a desk simply because there aren't enough planes to go around. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Iran's Nuclear Program
Don't laugh. Anything could happen under this regime. I personally will never ever take up arms against Canada but be don't surprised if you start to see Canada (surely our greatest friend in the world) demonized in the next 10 years as a pretext to invasion. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: no doubt under the pretext of liberating the canadian people from the injustice of a universal health care system. -chris b. In a message dated 8/24/05 7:46:14 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Suppose Canada decides that it will demand (which is our right) what it wants for that oil?. . .How little will it take before american troops show up to 'restore order' in our sovereign lands. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] BP loses money?? Yeah, right.
Besides, we already have a Flat Head Tax in most states. It's called the lottery. It's a tax on stupid people, and it falls unfairly on those least able to afford it. bob allen wrote: Howdy David, a flat tax would just reward the rich with lower taxes and punish the impoverished with taxes they didn't have before. The flat tax also will not address the flight of corporations to tax havens. flat tax- bad idea. David M. Brockes wrote: This is why we need a Flat Tax system in this country for both Individual and Business. 8% to 12% would provide a tax base much more robust than what we have todayand most of us would probably pay less, if most of us pay less, then somebody pays more. A 12% tax rate would mean tax break for the rich; hence, the poor would be paying more for the rich persons reduction. but certainly everyone would pay a fair share.and think of all the savings there would be from all the extra costs currently related to our Tax system!! Just IMHO!! Dave -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 9:51 AM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] BP loses money?? Yeah, right. It's all part of the standard multinational corporation planning to move the profits to the jurisdiction in which they are taxed least (preferably not at all). cut ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Oil Question
Anyone know where I could buy 300 gallons of canola? John Wilson wrote: Hi Mike, I got the price from:http://www.advfn.com/p.php?pid=commoditiesnopu=uCCKBtzSc1ihTGQhlEp7%2F WRKB3rpHYZsUyZ%2BHa3JDSl3LP8JS69FS5tYIU7PHr%2FQ I see this morning Jan Canola futures are trading at 294. I think that was a mistake on my part it said Canola(WCE) and not Canola oil. I think the price is for pre pressed canola seed and not canola oil. Yours truly John Wilson *** Wilsonia Farm Kennel Preserve Goldens Ph-Fax (902)665-2386) Web: http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/goldens/new.htm Pups: http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/goldens/pup.htm Politics: http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/goldens/elect.htm http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/goldens/c68.htm In Nova Scotia smoking permitted in designated areas only until 9:00 PM . After 9:00 it is okey to kill everyone. ^ Nova Scotia going smoke-free in public by 2006 (FANTASTIC) ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] How much?
Marty, Commodities such as vegetable oils and animal phats are sold by the pound weight. Search the Chicago Board of Trade for pricing and then convert to gallons using the multiplier of ~7.6#s per gallon. Todd Swearingen Marty Phee wrote: How much is a bbl of say soy oil or palm oil. I'm not sure where to look online. bbls of this oil are 55gals right? Not the 42gals of crude oil. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Solar panals or wind
You need both Wind and solar. Chances are when it is windy the clouds maybe covering the nuclear reactor. When its sunny no wind. You need BOTH Mel Who has had a little experience with an AWP turbine. But my next one is a bergey 10kw Ohh. -Original Message- From: Tom Irwin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 10:36 AM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] Solar panals or wind Hi All, If climate change occurs from global warming do solar panels make more sense to buy or will wind be better. My thoughts go toward wind. If the temperature expected occur, many areas will have more cloudy days from all of the extra moisture evaporated into the atmosphere from the rising ocean tamperatures. What do you all think? Wind can be fairly constant in some areas and should only increase from climate change. Tom Irwin From: Mike Weaver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 20:56:33 -0300 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Sept 1 declared no buy gas day FWIW BP is a fairly big player in solar panels - so far a 3-6 backlog of orders. Keith Addison wrote: Hi Darryl Very nice! I'm sure others can contribute more ideas beyond the list above. My point is, don't act for a day, act for a lifetime. I'm also sure, there've been some good contributions so far. If we can et some more I can compile them and make a page at Journey to Forever for it, might help. It would be nice to internationalise it a bit, but if it doesn't work out that way I don't mind. Best wishes Keith Well, then I guess we can expect to see BP putting all their gasoline stations up for sale. After all, the managers are required to maximize the returns for their shareholders. If the stations are losing money, they have to dump them. I won't be holding my breath. As for gas-outs - it's a sad joke, as has been pointed out here before. If you want to reduce gasoline (and diesel) consumption, for whatever reason, here's a start on what you can do to make a difference. 1) Walk somewhere. Anywhere. Just leave your guzzler parked. 2) Get a bicycle. Preferably something used. Try your local FreeCycle, or bike repair co-op, or a used bike dealer. Find something comfortable and practical for your use. Then use it. 3) Check the pressure on the tires on your vehicle. Correct if necessary. Slight overinflation is better for fuel economy than slight underinflation. Repeat monthly or more frequently if required. 4) Have your vehicle tuned up on a regular, appropriate schedule. Check owner's manual for details. Check for dragging brakes, emissions control system problems, etc while you are at it. 5) Plan your trips to minimize distance travelled (trip chaining). 6) Use public transit when available and appropriate. Or carpool. 7) Use biofuels, e.g. E100, E85, E10 as recommended for your vehicle. There are many flex-fuel vehicles on the road in the U.S. due to CAFE dual-fuel incentive, where the owners don't even know the vehicle is flex-fuel capable. Check your vehicle manual. Use biodiesel blend where available or appropriate (or make your own, of course). 8) Take extra weight out of your vehicle, as accelerating extra weight uses more energy, and de-accelerating extra weight increases brake wear. (e.g. sand and salt mixture for winter use should not be in the trunk all sumer as well). 9) When shopping for tires, look for economizer / fuel miser / energy wise labels. 10) When shopping for a replacement vehicle, look for something that is as fuel- efficient as possible while meeting most of your needs - not necessarily all of your needs. You can rent a vehicle to meet occasional requirements. 11) If you want to make a political statement, pick an oil company to boycott or support. Personally, I try to buy from MacEwen's because they are local and have been promoting ethanol blend here since before it was fashionable. I boycott Exxon/Esso/Imperial Oil due to their horrendous environmental record (and other undesirable practices). Trust me, if we actually managed to drop Exxon's gross revenue in a regional market by 10% for a quarter, that would definitely get their attention. Giving their station attendants and cashiers a quiet day won't. 12) Try to drive to avoid periods of traffic congestion. You get 0 mpg when idling in stopped traffic. I'm sure others can contribute more ideas beyond the list above. My point is, don't act for a day, act for a lifetime. Darryl McMahon mphee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: Station owners really don't make much money off of gas. Their lucky to make a nickel a gallon. They make their money on what's called C-Store sales. If more people could take public transportation it would help greatly. Funny tidbit. BP says they loose money on their gas stations, $100mil last year. You refine it, you transport it, you store it, you
Re: [Biofuel] Solar panals or wind
Tom, In my opinion,one shouldn't be choosingand committing to a particular form of alternative/sustainable energywhen trying to live sustainably on your own power. Our homesneed to be seen as hybrids and should be constantly diversifying and prioritizing based on your needs, resources and abilities. When your thoughts "go toward wind", it leads me to believe that you are prepared to do both but, need to prioritize. So,the top paragraph is probably nothing new to you and I apologize if I sound like I'm lecturing. I still wanted to reiterate my point since(IMO) it speaks toan important issue in US culture about complacency and how oil has promoted a philosophy of solving"the problem" with "the answer". ...my $.02 MikeTom Irwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All, If climate change occurs from global warming do solar panels make more sense to buy or will wind be better. My thoughts go toward wind. If the temperature expected occur, many areas will have more cloudy days from all of the extra moisture evaporated into the atmosphere from the rising ocean tamperatures. What do you all think? Wind can be fairly constant in some areas and should only increase from climate change. Tom Irwin___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Query on MTBE
No, That would be MMT, a manganese based octane improver used instead of lead. It has less harmful effects than lead, but is still bad. Cheers Fred Enga -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Joe StreetSent: August 30, 2005 6:36 AMTo: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSubject: Re: [Biofuel] Query on MTBEI remember hearing something about toxic fuel additives here in Canada years ago. The story was basically that an additive was known to be harmful and present in exhaust emissions (or some harmful byproduct of combustion of the additive) and it was still being used and the manufacturer was aware of it but declined to comment. The company was Ethyl corporation. I just checked their website( http://www.ethyl.com/Operations/index.htm ) but they don't say anything much other than listing gasoline performance additives as a product. Is it MTBE? does anyone know?Joesubramanian D.V wrote: Thanks keith, I raised the matter as the petroleum marketing companies are introducingslightly costlier petrol with brand names "extra mile", "speed petrol" and "premium petrol" etc. the distributors are unable to say what is the additive. The marketing company websites are equally vague. And now a reputed marketing company imports a huge qty of MTBE , the value added petrol is suspect and the citizens must know the hazards associated with it. Regards SubramanianKeith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello SubramanianNot of direct use, like Juan's reply, but this might be useful - factsheet and other resources on MTBE as an oxygenate additive:http://journeytoforever.org/ethanol_mtbe.htmlMTBE Fact SheetBest wishesKeithHello Members,MTBE Methyl tertiary butyl ether - an oxygenate for blending with gasoline in U.S around 1990, acquired a bad reputation quickly because of its capacity for polluting the environment and affecting human beings. I understand that the groundwater in most parts of US has been polluted with MTBE to varying degrees; it was banned in certain States of US for mixing with gasoline.It is banned in India too, as an oxygenate. Can any of you tell me what could be the possible use of MTBE other than as an oxygenate additive when a reputed oil refining and marketing company buys 10 tmt of MTBE from VITOL traders. I want to be doubly sure before raising this in the Indian Press.Thank you.Regards,Subramanian___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Solar panals or wind
Greetings, I am a fan of using solar collectors to fire a stirling engine that can also be fired with methane. Small solar panels for stuff that is used primarily in the daytime, wind power that can be home repaired. And the generator that is fire by the stirling can be run off the pto of the tractor on biodiesel, or from a tire of the car. Lots of overlap and back up. If one part of the system malfunctions, the meat in the freezer does not thaw. I have yet to figure out how to put a 1/4 of a cow in there at a time.grin Bright Blessings, Kim At 10:52 AM 8/30/2005, you wrote: content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=_=_NextPart_001_01C5AD7A.C1E61968 You need both Wind and solar. Chances are when it is windy the clouds maybe covering the nuclear reactor. When its sunny no wind. You need BOTH Mel Who has had a little experience with an AWP turbine. But my next one is a bergey 10kw Ohh . -Original Message- From: Tom Irwin [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 10:36 AM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] Solar panals or wind Hi All, If climate change occurs from global warming do solar panels make more sense to buy or will wind be better. My thoughts go toward wind. If the temperature expected occur, many areas will have more cloudy days from all of the extra moisture evaporated into the atmosphere from the rising ocean tamperatures. What do you all think? Wind can be fairly constant in some areas and should only increase from climate change. Tom Irwin From: Mike Weaver [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 20:56:33 -0300 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Sept 1 declared no buy gas day FWIW BP is a fairly big player in solar panels - so far a 3-6 backlog of orders. Keith Addison wrote: Hi Darryl Very nice! I'm sure others can contribute more ideas beyond the list above. My point is, don't act for a day, act for a lifetime. I'm also sure, there've been some good contributions so far. If we can et some more I can compile them and make a page at Journey to Forever for it, might help. It would be nice to internationalise it a bit, but if it doesn't work out that way I don't mind. Best wishes Keith Well, then I guess we can expect to see BP putting all their gasoline stations up for sale. After all, the managers are required to maximize the returns for their shareholders. If the stations are losing money, they have to dump them. I won't be holding my breath. As for gas-outs - it's a sad joke, as has been pointed out here before. If you want to reduce gasoline (and diesel) consumption, for whatever reason, here's a start on what you can do to make a difference. 1) Walk somewhere. Anywhere. Just leave your guzzler parked. 2) Get a bicycle. Preferably something used. Try your local FreeCycle, or bike repair co-op, or a used bike dealer. Find something comfortable and practical for your use. Then use it. 3) Check the pressure on the tires on your vehicle. Correct if necessary. Slight overinflation is better for fuel economy than slight underinflation. Repeat monthly or more frequently if required. 4) Have your vehicle tuned up on a regular, appropriate schedule. Check owner's manual for details. Check for dragging brakes, emissions control system problems, etc while you are at it. 5) Plan your trips to minimize distance travelled (trip chaining). 6) Use public transit when available and appropriate. Or carpool. 7) Use biofuels, e.g. E100, E85, E10 as recommended for your vehicle. There are many flex-fuel vehicles on the road in the U.S. due to CAFE dual-fuel incentive, where the owners don't even know the vehicle is flex-fuel capable. Check your vehicle manual. Use biodiesel blend where available or appropriate (or make your own, of course). 8) Take extra weight out of your vehicle, as accelerating extra weight uses more energy, and de-accelerating extra weight increases brake wear. (e.g. sand and salt mixture for winter use should not be in the trunk all sumer as well). 9) When shopping for tires, look for economizer / fuel miser / energy wise labels. 10) When shopping for a replacement vehicle, look for something that is as fuel- efficient as possible while meeting most of your needs - not necessarily all of your needs. You can rent a vehicle to meet occasional requirements. 11) If you want to make a political statement, pick an oil company to boycott or support. Personally, I try to buy from MacEwen's because they are local and have been promoting ethanol blend here since before it was fashionable. I boycott Exxon/Esso/Imperial Oil due to their horrendous environmental record (and other undesirable practices). Trust me, if we actually managed to drop Exxon's gross revenue in a regional market by 10% for a
Re: [Biofuel] Religion, Politics Biofuels, and Illusion
Hello Taryn Hi Keith, et alii. On Aug 30, 2005, at 3:35 AM, Keith Addison wrote: Hello Taryn, Pannirselvam Did you read this? http://sustainablelists.org/pipermail/biofuel_sustainablelists.org/200 5-August/003230.html Or: http://snipurl.com/hb3u [Biofuel] Robertson et al VS. followers Who Would Jesus Assassinate? Hugo Chavez and the Men Who Claim to Speak for Jesus Yes, I did read them. Following them, or a similar thread, (now misplaced) :-( The browser history keeps the urls, why doesn't it keep the whole threads? led me to some striking information regarding the US's post-war anti-communist efforts in Italy, and later in Latin America. Following that taught me more about the role of the jesuits, and liberation theology, in Latin American politics. Trying to recover that misplaced thread last night led to many sites accusing liberation theologists of being pawns of the communists. Then to some ugly accusations regarding the role of the jesuits in bringing together the Vatican and the National Socialists (Nazis) in pre-war Germany. Of course, the German National Socialist Party was socialist in name only by the 1940s. Isn't it great when that happens? Almost makes it worth losing the original threads. It was interesting how few of the commentators when John Paul II died mentioned his opposition to the liberation theologists, seemed they'd forgotten about it. He was extremely anti-communist, and Marxist theology was (is?) the alternate name of liberation theology. John Paul II was Polish, and his main focus was on Poland and Lech Walesa's Solidarity struggle there, with the never quite suppressed Catholic Church playing its role, probably a pivotal one. What happened in Poland on the one hand and Afghanistan on the other were the death of the USSR, I guess Latin America seemed hardly even a side-show. What's happening to the US now with Hugo Chavez in Venezuela on the one hand and Iraq on the other makes an interesting comparison, and Latin America perhaps isn't a side-show anymore. (I'd bet the KGB wanted to assassinate Walesa too.) I didn't forget about John Paul II and the liberation theologists. I thought it was a crossroads, and the Pope sided with the rich and powerful. Again. Quite apart from what it says about the Catholic Church as a Christian organisation and the eyes of needles, it could perhaps have been a chance to change the whole paradigm of development and the poor. That's what the Jesuits wanted. Instead we got neo-liberal economics and corporate globalization, and a billion or so poor and starving people in a world of plenty. I reckon Robert Johnson made a better deal. I've never had any contact with Opus Dei and I'm not sad about that, but I haven't met a Jesuit I didn't like. So, I too, learn more of the twisted history that led to our bizarre predicaments of today, reading the Biofuel list. It is truly a great resource, let me add my thanks to that expressed by Doug and Pannirselvam. (and many others) Thanks to all! In one more strange twist of fate, the venues that bring us all together; ethernet, bsd servers, and the internet, were developed with much funding from ARPA, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Defense_Advanced_Research_Projects_Agency which was created to respond to The Communist Threat. Now of course the internet is one of our best tools for responding to the Capitalist Threat. It escaped. For once at least the end wasn't implicit in the means. Maybe we'll end up using swords as ploughshares after all. (Only I don't like ploughs!) Regarding the Clash of Civilisations, it's astonishing that Christians, Jews, and Muslims, all worshipping the same God of Israel, have been at each others throats, squabbling over the parched scraps of a long gone society, for more than a thousand years. For anyone perplexed over this conflict, I highly recommend Tom Robbins' Skinny Legs and All. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0553377884 I've re-read this a few times in my struggles to understand the middle east. It is illuminating, to say the least. If you've not read Robbins' stuff before, you might want start with a few of his earlier works, e.g. Still Life with Woodpecker or Jitterbug Perfume, since his work is rich and complex. Thankyou. Interesting reviews. You might find this interesting, though probably the only thing it has in common with Skinny Legs and All is the Middle East and the Arabs: 21. A Kingdom of Agricultural Art in Europe http://journeytoforever.org/farm_library/Wrench_Recon/Wrench_Recon_21.html 22. An Historical Reconstruction http://journeytoforever.org/farm_library/Wrench_Recon/Wrench_Recon_22.html Again, thanks to all here who help us see past the veils, to a larger world. Thanks indeed. (And yes indeed, Get a Mac!) Best wishes Keith Taryn ornae.com I was wanting to say something about liberation theology but I posted that instead. By the way, here's Doug's post, Religion,
[Biofuel] Japan - was Re: Problems, problems, problems
Hello Khamhiane Dear Keith, I have followed your forum for a while. Well, it's its own forum really, I'm just one of the staff. You said that It's used here in Japan too, is that mean you are currently in Japan? Yes, it says so on our home page. A lot of what we're doing here isn't on our English website yet but that'll change soon. (Not just biofuels.) You could check the Japanese website, but that's not completely up-to-date either, nor does it cover everything we're doing. The reason I asked is that if yes I would like to visite you to see physically your projects. I don't want to sound unwelcoming, but we're always busy here, we work all the time, you might come a long way and then we'd have very little time to spend with you. If it's biodiesel you're interested in, we do hold seminars and workshops on biodiesel here (and elsewhere) most months, the last one was 10 days ago, the next one is on October 9. They're in Japanese, can you speak Japanese? Everything else we do here is development work, it's really only the biodiesel project that's open to the public in any way, and then only if you come to a seminar. This place isn't intended to be a demonstration farm or anything like that, it's where we work. If you do want to come, email me offlist, maybe we can arrange something. Best wishes Keith Addison Journey to Forever KYOTO Pref., Japan http://journeytoforever.org/ Thanks in advance Best regards, Khamhiane Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dag Pieter Hello all, I found a new adres where I can collect quit a bit of good quality oil, well, that is what I thought. snip ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] How to make ehtanol, second try.......
Hello Pannirselvam It's always a pleasure to read your posts, thankyou! Keith Thanks for your information You're welcome. Even though , there are several well established technology that can be used to make waste into fuel and hence also food by small scale biorefinary in almost all countries, yet economically grown country is moving very slow in this sector . Yes, aren't they. It's one reason I long ago stopped calling them the developed countries. They're beginning to need *real* technology to face a real future, but they can't back out of the blind alleys their misdevelopment has led them into, they can't develop appropriate technology out of the over-developed, centralised and resource-hungry herds of technological white elephants they have now, and they can't leapfrog it all either like so many 3rd World countries are doing. (Such as who needs a billion-dollar telecommunications infrastructure anyway, just get mobiles and a cheap satellite, and so on.) So they're stuck, and we're not. And indeed it's their Big Blue corporations and corrupt politics that are keeping them stuck, that's how the powers-that-be want it, and they think they're omnipotent enough to go on shaping the future their way. I don't think they can stop the green way of sustainable living, locally or globally, though I'm sure they think they can. But it's happening anyway, and worldwide opposition has got them on the defensive or on the retreat on just about every front (though it might not look that way at first glance). After reading your e mail I now understand well why our list members need to include the biofuel problems linked to all political and global world issues .The very big corporate production model adopted by the Canada and Australia not following decentralised biofuel projects based on their plentiful renewable resources can be surely due to too big blue Corporate companies and their corrupted politics not allowing the green way of sustainable path for the local and global developments. How an small farmer can use ethanol if the economically well designed car is not available in several countries but made possible in Brazil. Brazilian government has to put huge amount of money for research to make the big Multinational Corporate all the Car company earlier in 1980 , now they all fighting with one another to make flexible biofuel car to run simultaneously ,natural gas(biogas) , alcohol and gasoline.We can send details about the Brasilian ethanol car Please do! and I beleive that car can be modified to run with etanol based on the information in the internet with especialized people. I am sure waste vegetable oil can also make this biofuel car more flexible . May be Brazil can export the car and combustible to the developing world where the speed and luxury is not the matter but biofuel is very far away the common man .Thus biofuel can be practical solution to get away poverty and dependence of poor on rich. I'm sure you're right, South-South trade. Do you think India might soon be in a similar position? South Africa is another possibility a bit further down the road, and so is China I suppose. Regards Keith Kind regards to all our list members sd Pannir selvam P.V Brasil On 8/27/05, Keith Addison mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Pannirselvam Dear Wdt As motor made in Brasil to run on ethanol has engine design with higher compression than gasoline car , you can think of importing the same as the technology envolves not only the engine , but also several other parts of the car.As I understand , may be Keith knows much better , the bioethanol fuel programme made in Australia is not yet made suceeesful one. I don't know any better Pan. I think you're right, and I think they made it a maximum of 10% with 90% gasoline, following a disgraceful disinformation campaign against ethanol. That was a couple of years ago, I think it's all in the list archives. I haven't followed it closely since then. Last I heard they were proposing big taxes on biodiesel, including homebrewers, but I don't know what's become of that either. Maybe this is what one should expect from the world's #1 coal exporter and #2 global warming denier. Australians themselves are another matter, I don't know how long they'd accept this kind of treatment. Regards Keith Regrading making etanol from waste orange we can help you as this can be made using simple technology sd Pannirselvam Brasil On 8/26/05, Wireless Data Transfer mailto:mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:wd [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello there! This is the second time I post this question, since nobody responded to the first time, please advice! snip ___ Biofuel mailing list
Re: [Biofuel] Sept 1 declared no buy gas day
Damn. I wish people would check validity of stuff before they send it around. I have received one or two per day of these bogus emails about sticking it up their collective behinds. I wish more people would write something, anything in their own words and send it around to all their friends. Internet Chain Letters, Yuk. As mentioned here, it is simple to check out a story for rumor content at www.snopes.com I really like the way Barbara Mikkelson writes. Fun informative and she doesn't make you feel like you are an idiot. Brian Rodgers ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Solar panels
About 8-9 months ago I read a report about a man who invented a process that yielded a high-efficiency solar panel. Like 90%. The process reminded me of the way they make super high density integrated circuits. His website was ardev.com and when I went back again it went down (I think its some kind of flower site now). The announcement said he refused to just sell off the patent because he wanted it to actually be produced. He was teaming up with Westinghouse to produce the solar panels. Anybody hear something more about this? Perhaps it was BS. Regards, Emil ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] How much?
The price for soy says 23'10. I would assume that's $0.2310/#. Appal Energy wrote: Marty, Commodities such as vegetable oils and animal phats are sold by the pound weight. Search the Chicago Board of Trade for pricing and then convert to gallons using the multiplier of ~7.6#s per gallon. Todd Swearingen Marty Phee wrote: How much is a bbl of say soy oil or palm oil. I'm not sure where to look online. bbls of this oil are 55gals right? Not the 42gals of crude oil. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Bush's Obscene Tirades
a friend sent me this. Keep in mind, it's from a liberal Web site. But even if only part of it is true, it's still pretty scary. http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_7267.shtml Bush's Obscene Tirades Rattle White House Aides By DOUG THOMPSON Aug 25, 2005, 06:19 While President George W. Bush travels around the country in a last-ditch effort to sell his Iraq war, White House aides scramble frantically behind the scenes to hide the dark mood of an increasingly angry leader who unleashes obscenity-filled outbursts at anyone who dares disagree with him. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Solar panals or wind
Garth Kim Travis wrote: Greetings, I am a fan of using solar collectors to fire a stirling engine that can also be fired with methane. Small solar panels for stuff that is used primarily in the daytime, wind power that can be home repaired. And the generator that is fire by the stirling can be run off the pto of the tractor on biodiesel, or from a tire of the car. Lots of overlap and back up. If one part of the system malfunctions, the meat in the freezer does not thaw. I have yet to figure out how to put a 1/4 of a cow in there at a time.grin Bright Blessings, Kim A system I've been working on, and redesigning throughout the years is going more toward solar heat. A solar concentrator, (reads: recycled 10' diameter satellite dish covered with little squares of mirror salvaged from the glass shop's dumpster) and a Stirling engine are integral, the engine integrating the conversion from solar heat to electricity, but then the question arose, do I really want to be dependent on a system that stores its power in batteries? So the system has shifted to collecting heat, and storing that. Then, draw from that, the energy I need for electricity, and still have heat for water, or home space. And on a medium cloud cover, I can still focus infrared rays and collect heat. Solar panels tend to do less well with clouds. doug swanson -- All generalizations are false. Including this one. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * This email is constructed entirely with OpenSource Software. No Microsoft databits have been incorporated herein. All existing databits have been constructed from recycled databits. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Solar panels
I haven't heard of anything much higher than 30 percent efficient. Mike See also: "An unexpected discovery could yield a full spectrum solar cell"Nov 18, 2002 http://www.lbl.gov/Science-Articles/Archive/MSD-full-spectrum-solar-cell.html A Step Closer to the Optimum Solar Cell March 24, 2004 http://www.lbl.gov/Science-Articles/Archive/sb-MSD-multibandsolar-panels.html"Manzo, Emil" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: About 8-9 months ago I read a report about a man who invented a process that yielded a high-efficiency solar panel. Like 90%. The process reminded me of the way they make super high density integrated circuits. His website was ardev.com and when I went back again it went down (I think its some kind of flower site now). The announcement said he refused to just sell off the patent because he wanted it to actually be produced. He was teaming up with Westinghouse to produce the solar panels. Anybody hear something more about this? Perhaps it was BS. Regards, Emil ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Solar panels
I wonder if it had to do with Gallium Indium Nitride? Check this link http://www.lbl.gov/Science-Articles/Archive/MSD-perfect-solar-cell.html In a nutshell it works by varying the doping level of indium in Gallium Nitride so as to smoothly taper the bandgap of the material from low to high energy. This is a step beyond the multijunction cells which are the highest efficiency (25-35%) and extremely expensive used in the satellite industry. This approach could potentially use a graded profile of indium doping in a stack of junctions so that photons from the entire energy spectrum will find their home at some point within the device. I don't think this approaches 90% (is that an exaggeration) but 75% may be doable. This technique would require an MBE (molecular beam epitaxy) which is a ridiculously expensive ultra high vacuum deposition tool and material growth rates are painfully slow so although it has the potential to make super PV cells don't hold your breath to see them on the market. General consensus is that the viability point for the comercialization of solar power is somewhere at the dollar per watt mark. However these predictions were made based on some standard economic benchmarks. Due to what peak oil could do all bets are off on this figure for the future. Joe Manzo, Emil wrote: About 8-9 months ago I read a report about a man who invented a process that yielded a high-efficiency solar panel. Like 90%. The process reminded me of the way they make super high density integrated circuits. His website was ardev.com and when I went back again it went down (I think its some kind of flower site now). The announcement said he refused to just sell off the patent because he wanted it to actually be produced. He was teaming up with Westinghouse to produce the solar panels. Anybody hear something more about this? Perhaps it was BS. Regards, Emil ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Solar panals or wind
Greetings, I hate batteries. That is why I want a system that I can power with methane if I need power when the sun is not shining. I use almost no power after the sun goes down, most of the year. We do not watch tv or other wasteful appetites for power, but, I do sometimes like to sew at night, so having the option of turning the power on, I like. Most people would be unhappy with a system that I can live with, I don't mind a little inconvenience, it just reminds me how lucky I am to have power. Bright Blessings, Kim At 09:17 AM 8/30/2005, you wrote: Garth Kim Travis wrote: Greetings, I am a fan of using solar collectors to fire a stirling engine that can also be fired with methane. Small solar panels for stuff that is used primarily in the daytime, wind power that can be home repaired. And the generator that is fire by the stirling can be run off the pto of the tractor on biodiesel, or from a tire of the car. Lots of overlap and back up. If one part of the system malfunctions, the meat in the freezer does not thaw. I have yet to figure out how to put a 1/4 of a cow in there at a time.grin Bright Blessings, Kim A system I've been working on, and redesigning throughout the years is going more toward solar heat. A solar concentrator, (reads: recycled 10' diameter satellite dish covered with little squares of mirror salvaged from the glass shop's dumpster) and a Stirling engine are integral, the engine integrating the conversion from solar heat to electricity, but then the question arose, do I really want to be dependent on a system that stores its power in batteries? So the system has shifted to collecting heat, and storing that. Then, draw from that, the energy I need for electricity, and still have heat for water, or home space. And on a medium cloud cover, I can still focus infrared rays and collect heat. Solar panels tend to do less well with clouds. doug swanson -- All generalizations are false. Including this one. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * This email is constructed entirely with OpenSource Software. No Microsoft databits have been incorporated herein. All existing databits have been constructed from recycled databits. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Simple twist of fate...
From my limited experience in Latin America I always felt the EV's were making inroads because they had enough sense to actually have local people in positions of authority, where as most (not all, Jaime Sin comes to mind) Catholic big-wigs were white. I will say that when I was working in Africa the CRS people were very good. Mike Lapsed Unitarian Weaver Keith Addison wrote: Hello Taryn Hi Keith, et alii. On Aug 30, 2005, at 3:35 AM, Keith Addison wrote: Hello Taryn, Pannirselvam Did you read this? http://sustainablelists.org/pipermail/biofuel_sustainablelists.org/200 5-August/003230.html Or: http://snipurl.com/hb3u [Biofuel] Robertson et al VS. followers Who Would Jesus Assassinate? Hugo Chavez and the Men Who Claim to Speak for Jesus Yes, I did read them. Following them, or a similar thread, (now misplaced) :-( The browser history keeps the urls, why doesn't it keep the whole threads? led me to some striking information regarding the US's post-war anti-communist efforts in Italy, and later in Latin America. Following that taught me more about the role of the jesuits, and liberation theology, in Latin American politics. Trying to recover that misplaced thread last night led to many sites accusing liberation theologists of being pawns of the communists. Then to some ugly accusations regarding the role of the jesuits in bringing together the Vatican and the National Socialists (Nazis) in pre-war Germany. Of course, the German National Socialist Party was socialist in name only by the 1940s. Isn't it great when that happens? Almost makes it worth losing the original threads. It was interesting how few of the commentators when John Paul II died mentioned his opposition to the liberation theologists, seemed they'd forgotten about it. He was extremely anti-communist, and Marxist theology was (is?) the alternate name of liberation theology. John Paul II was Polish, and his main focus was on Poland and Lech Walesa's Solidarity struggle there, with the never quite suppressed Catholic Church playing its role, probably a pivotal one. What happened in Poland on the one hand and Afghanistan on the other were the death of the USSR, I guess Latin America seemed hardly even a side-show. What's happening to the US now with Hugo Chavez in Venezuela on the one hand and Iraq on the other makes an interesting comparison, and Latin America perhaps isn't a side-show anymore. (I'd bet the KGB wanted to assassinate Walesa too.) I didn't forget about John Paul II and the liberation theologists. I thought it was a crossroads, and the Pope sided with the rich and powerful. Again. Quite apart from what it says about the Catholic Church as a Christian organisation and the eyes of needles, it could perhaps have been a chance to change the whole paradigm of development and the poor. That's what the Jesuits wanted. Instead we got neo-liberal economics and corporate globalization, and a billion or so poor and starving people in a world of plenty. I reckon Robert Johnson made a better deal. I've never had any contact with Opus Dei and I'm not sad about that, but I haven't met a Jesuit I didn't like. So, I too, learn more of the twisted history that led to our bizarre predicaments of today, reading the Biofuel list. It is truly a great resource, let me add my thanks to that expressed by Doug and Pannirselvam. (and many others) Thanks to all! In one more strange twist of fate, the venues that bring us all together; ethernet, bsd servers, and the internet, were developed with much funding from ARPA, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Defense_Advanced_Research_Projects_Agency which was created to respond to The Communist Threat. Now of course the internet is one of our best tools for responding to the Capitalist Threat. It escaped. For once at least the end wasn't implicit in the means. Maybe we'll end up using swords as ploughshares after all. (Only I don't like ploughs!) Regarding the Clash of Civilisations, it's astonishing that Christians, Jews, and Muslims, all worshipping the same God of Israel, have been at each others throats, squabbling over the parched scraps of a long gone society, for more than a thousand years. For anyone perplexed over this conflict, I highly recommend Tom Robbins' Skinny Legs and All. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0553377884 I've re-read this a few times in my struggles to understand the middle east. It is illuminating, to say the least. If you've not read Robbins' stuff before, you might want start with a few of his earlier works, e.g. Still Life with Woodpecker or Jitterbug Perfume, since his work is rich and complex. Thankyou. Interesting reviews. You might find this interesting, though probably the only thing it has in common with Skinny Legs and All is the Middle East and the Arabs: 21. A Kingdom of Agricultural Art in Europe
Re: [Biofuel] Japan - was Re: Problems, problems, problems
Hi Khamhiane, If you happen to be anywhere near the SE US I can reccommend the Piedmont Biofuels tour. They are quite friendly and put up with me asking them questions for hours. There also quite a few other BD plants scattered in the US. Good luck. -Mike Keith Addison wrote: Hello Khamhiane Dear Keith, I have followed your forum for a while. Well, it's its own forum really, I'm just one of the staff. You said that It's used here in Japan too, is that mean you are currently in Japan? Yes, it says so on our home page. A lot of what we're doing here isn't on our English website yet but that'll change soon. (Not just biofuels.) You could check the Japanese website, but that's not completely up-to-date either, nor does it cover everything we're doing. The reason I asked is that if yes I would like to visite you to see physically your projects. I don't want to sound unwelcoming, but we're always busy here, we work all the time, you might come a long way and then we'd have very little time to spend with you. If it's biodiesel you're interested in, we do hold seminars and workshops on biodiesel here (and elsewhere) most months, the last one was 10 days ago, the next one is on October 9. They're in Japanese, can you speak Japanese? Everything else we do here is development work, it's really only the biodiesel project that's open to the public in any way, and then only if you come to a seminar. This place isn't intended to be a demonstration farm or anything like that, it's where we work. If you do want to come, email me offlist, maybe we can arrange something. Best wishes Keith Addison Journey to Forever KYOTO Pref., Japan http://journeytoforever.org/ Thanks in advance Best regards, Khamhiane Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dag Pieter Hello all, I found a new adres where I can collect quit a bit of good quality oil, well, that is what I thought. snip ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Solar panels
Emil, I think that you ca assume that it was BS, because to only to get a surface to absorb 90%, would be very difficult. If you managed to absorb 90%, your conversion process to electricity would then have 100% efficiency at always? Maybe the site do better in selling flowers. The highest serious numbers I have seen is 35-38% efficiency. The efficiency of currently mass produced common panels is 8-12%. This is lab data at 90 degree angle. Hakan At 19:02 30/08/2005, you wrote: Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=_=_NextPart_001_01C5AD84.A4B9BB88 About 8-9 months ago I read a report about a man who invented a process that yielded a high-efficiency solar panel. Like 90%. The process reminded me of the way they make super high density integrated circuits. His website was ardev.com and when I went back again it went down (I think it's some kind of flower site now). The announcement said he refused to just sell off the patent because he wanted it to actually be produced. He was teaming up with Westinghouse to produce the solar panels. Anybody hear something more about this? Perhaps it was BS. Regards, Emil ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Another use for glycerine
Nancy Canning wrote: - Original Message - From: John Hayes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2005 10:01 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Another use for glycerine Nancy Canning wrote: Propylene glycol as it is used tons and tons of products including industrial cleaners, shampoo's, toothpaste, creams, etc. It is very toxic, the industry even has it in children's prescriptions. Wonder if this type of propylene glycol has less poison/carcinogenic toxicity qualities vrs what is out there right now? Anybody have any info? Nancy. You are mistakenly confusing ethylene glycol with propylene glycol. Both can be used as antifreeze or deicers, but they have very different metabolic fates in the body. Thus, ethylene glycol is toxic while propylene glycol is food safe. What is Propylene Glycol? Propylene Glycol (PG, Polyethylene Glycol (PEG), Butylene Glycol (BG) and Ethylene Glycol (EG) are all petroleum derivatives that act as solvents, surfactants, and wetting agents. They can easily penetrate the skin, and can weaken protein and cellular structure. In fact, PG penetrates the skin so quickly that the EPA warns factory workers to avoid skin contact, to prevent brain, liver, and kidney abnormalities. PG is present in many stick deodorants, often in heavier concentration than in most industrial applications. (Nyack, Dr. Vin, Ph.D., Biochemist; personal communication). And Propylene Glycol is what is used to carry the active ingredients in those transdermal patches INTO YOUR BODY Imagine a bottle of Anti-Freeze in a picture with shampoos, deodorants, cosmetics, lotions and toothpastes? The question you should be asking is .. What's Anti-Freeze doing IN my shampoos, deodorants, cosmetics, lotions and toothpaste? Yes, the main ingredient in anti-freeze is in all of these products. Shocked? You should be! http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/30/science/30profile.html jh ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Solar panals or wind
The best result will depend entirely on the specific circumstances. Not all places boast good solar or wind energy resources. Could be both, one or the other or neither in any specific location. That requires analysis (data logging or existing insolation or wind maps can only provide information for a general area, not a specific point location). That said, in general, I believe wind will be the primary sustainable source to watch in years to come. Global dimming is a little-known, but recognized, phenomenon. In much of the world, less insolation is reaching the earth's surface, which will impact conventional solar (PV) panels negatively. However, global warming should mean that there will be more energy in the atmosphere, which lead to higher average winds around the planet. Both sources have advantages and disadvantages. Many people believe you should have both, to diversify your supply opportunities. I still believe you should do the resource analysis for your location, and go with whichever will work best in your situation. If you are blessed with both good solar and wind energy, then wind will likely provide more watt-hours for the money. Darryl McMahon From: Tom Irwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Date sent: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 12:36:10 -0300 Subject:[Biofuel] Solar panals or wind Send reply to: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi All, If climate change occurs from global warming do solar panels make more sense to buy or will wind be better. My thoughts go toward wind. If the temperature expected occur, many areas will have more cloudy days from all of the extra moisture evaporated into the atmosphere from the rising ocean tamperatures. What do you all think? Wind can be fairly constant in some areas and should only increase from climate change. Tom Irwin _ From: Mike Weaver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 20:56:33 -0300 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Sept 1 declared no buy gas day FWIW BP is a fairly big player in solar panels - so far a 3-6 backlog of orders. Keith Addison wrote: Hi Darryl Very nice! I'm sure others can contribute more ideas beyond the list above. My point is, don't act for a day, act for a lifetime. I'm also sure, there've been some good contributions so far. If we can et some more I can compile them and make a page at Journey to Forever for it, might help. It would be nice to internationalise it a bit, but if it doesn't work out that way I don't mind. Best wishes Keith Well, then I guess we can expect to see BP putting all their gasoline stations up for sale. After all, the managers are required to maximize the returns for their shareholders. If the stations are losing money, they have to dump them. I won't be holding my breath. As for gas-outs - it's a sad joke, as has been pointed out here before. If you want to reduce gasoline (and diesel) consumption, for whatever reason, here's a start on what you can do to make a difference. 1) Walk somewhere. Anywhere. Just leave your guzzler parked. 2) Get a bicycle. Preferably something used. Try your local FreeCycle, or bike repair co-op, or a used bike dealer. Find something comfortable and practical for your use. Then use it. 3) Check the pressure on the tires on your vehicle. Correct if necessary. Slight overinflation is better for fuel economy than slight underinflation. Repeat monthly or more frequently if required. 4) Have your vehicle tuned up on a regular, appropriate schedule. Check owner's manual for details. Check for dragging brakes, emissions control system problems, etc while you are at it. 5) Plan your trips to minimize distance travelled (trip chaining). 6) Use public transit when available and appropriate. Or carpool. 7) Use biofuels, e.g. E100, E85, E10 as recommended for your vehicle. There are many flex-fuel vehicles on the road in the U.S. due to CAFE dual-fuel incentive, where the owners don't even know the vehicle is flex-fuel capable. Check your vehicle manual. Use biodiesel blend where available or appropriate (or make your own, of course). 8) Take extra weight out of your vehicle, as accelerating extra weight uses more energy, and de-accelerating extra weight increases brake wear. (e.g. sand and salt mixture for winter use should not be in the trunk all sumer as well). 9) When shopping for tires, look for economizer / fuel miser / energy wise labels. 10) When shopping for a replacement vehicle, look for something that is as fuel- efficient as possible while meeting most of your needs - not necessarily all of your needs. You can rent a vehicle to meet occasional requirements. 11) If
Re: [Biofuel] Water heater
Marty, and all, I have to respectfully disagree with Bob C. on this one. The days of freebies are still very much alive! It might just be an issue of where you seek your freebies : ) Since approx. March of this year, I have been able to get 18 used water heaters. My only cost has been the time, and expense it takes to go and pick them up from 3 different plumbing/hardware shops in my local area. Had I wanted them, I would estimate that I could have had at least twice that many, although I would probably be divorced and living out of them right now had I accepted them all. There's really no secret to getting as many as you need. For most folks, I would think that one or two tanks would fine, but that would depend on your intentions. Find a local plumbing shop, or Hardware store (not a huge retail chain) that sells and installs what they sell and ask them what they do with the old water heaters that they remove during their installs. In my part of the world, two of the contractors bring the old water heaters back to their shops and dump them out back. Then, when this particular area get's full enough they call the scrap man and he comes and hauls them all away to the scrap metal yard for, as Bob C. noted, a fee. If you are willing to go and pick up a few of them for no fee, that's usually great news to these pro's! Good luck hunting water heaters! On 8/30/05, Marty Phee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for the info.My friend and I are going to do this.I'd like tostart with a proven design and go from there and he has grand plans ofhow to do everything.I really don't have room to do it and he does so I need to give him leeway in the design.Bob Clark wrote: Marty Phee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Will a water heater ware out/rust out?Say if you start from a new heater.How long can you expect it to last?Marty, and allI am currently using six water heaters that have been in service for a little over five years. (One has actually been operating as a waste oil burner since 1996) and to date I have seen no sign of rust through and/or burn out. I have several more used water heaters that I am in the midst of converting for one project or another. ALL of the ones I am using were used to start with. One had a small leak in the seam when I originally obtained it, but I am lucky enough to have a complete steel fabrication shop here so repairing that wasn't too difficult. I have two electric tanks that I left the heating elements in to use as pre-heaters. Others are my first 'still' experiments and are fired with a modified propane burner, now running on methane gas. Those two would be the ones that I suspect will burn out first (the bottom area) so I keep a closer eye on them, but so far no sign of trouble.In our area the local trash companies collect used appliances (including water heaters) from off the side of the road once each quarter (every three months) so I always keep an eye out the weekend before the collection date and pickup all the water heaters I see. BUT, I have never used a new one for anything so can only guess about that, but my thought would be this: each of the heater tanks I am using now had been used for water heating for years before I got ahold of them. I KNOW they have lasted from five years to nine years (and still counting) so I would think it would be safe to say a new water heater tank should easily give you ten years of service, if you buy a quality one to start with. But a suggestion; if this will be your first 'project' using a water heater tank, why not see if you can find one at a local salvage yard or dump. The days of 'freebies from those kind of places are over (at least everyplace I know of) but the 'scrapper' is only going to get five dollars tops for the old heater, so they'd surely sell you one for ten bucks??? That would be a much smaller investment then a new water heater. However, if you have some experience with your project already and want to make sure you start with a good tank, maybe new would be the way to go? I guess only you can make that choice, but based on my own personal uses, a used tank will give you a good deal of service and provides a very inexpensive way to 'experiment'. BTW, I have built several other cookers and stills since those first ones and in some projects I have use one inch steel plate (for fireboxes and support walls of a digester) and a couple of heavy gauge stainless steel tanks, but the old water heaters are still used regularly and are going fine. To be fair, the two waste-oil burners I built (one sixty gallons and one eighty gallons) are only used regularly about four months each year and then sporadically through the rest of the year. But on the other hand, they also take the most abuse and extreme heat conditions.Hope that helps a little, and I'm sure there are others on this list with a lot more experience using water heaters then I. I got my original ideas and plans from a Mother Earth News magazine from 1980, so there are a lot of
[Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame?
I live in South Florida, on high(ish) ground. Katrina came past and gave my neighborhood a teeny slap, on her way out to the gulf. Now 1.5 million people are homeless, jobless, and in shock, just from New Orleans alone. Entrepreneurs and businesses have always gone where the resources are. Regular folks follow behind because that's where the jobs are. Government comes along and surrounds a swamp with levees, and calls it a city. http://www.pubs.asce.org/ceonline/ceonline03/0603feat.html And of course the Army Corps of Engineers comes along and turns 1200 miles of winding bottomland river into an 800 mile ditch, contained (theoretically) by 7 meter levees. Homes, factories, and farms fill the bottomland right up to the levies. In a free society, you can't prevent people from trying to turn a swamp into a suburb, unless you buy the land and turn it into park or wetlands. Ever since agriculture started on the Nile, we've known that flood plains are great places to grow crops, so you don't really want to take them out of production. There are lots of places in this country where the ONLY justification for building homes is gorgeous location, like Miami Beach and all the other sandbars on our Atlantic coast, or the muddy, fire prone hills above Los Angeles. But you can't expect to live on a flood plain, or a sand bar, or a muddy hillside, or a dry pine forest, and be safe. Should governments issue building permits in swamps? Should insurance companies write fire policies on wooden houses in pine forests? Flood policies on swamps and flood plains? Should governments try to control mighty rivers from headwaters to delta, destroying wetlands and buffering swamp? Should governments dredge millions of tons of sand back onto the beaches of Miami every time a hurricane scours them out? People have to find work, they have to live where they work, what can you do? Taryn ornae.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame?
I live in South Florida, on high(ish) ground. Katrina came past and gave my neighborhood a little slap, on her way out to the warm gulf waters, where she organized into a cat 5 hurricane. Now 1.5 million people are homeless, jobless, and in shock, just from New Orleans alone. There's no guessing how many will be dead when all is accounted for. Entrepreneurs and businesses have always gone where the resources are. Regular folks follow behind because that's where the jobs are. Government comes along and surrounds a swamp with levees, and calls it a city. http://www.pubs.asce.org/ceonline/ceonline03/0603feat.html And of course the Army Corps of Engineers comes along and turns 2000 miles of winding bottomland river into a 1000 mile ditch, contained (theoretically) by 14 meter levees. Homes, factories, and farms fill the bottomland right up to the levies. In a free society, you can't prevent people from trying to turn a swamp into a suburb, unless you buy the land and turn it into park or preserve. Ever since agriculture started on the Nile, we've known that flood plains are great places to grow crops, so you don't really want to take them out of production. Of course if you dam off the river, the plain is no longer renewed, topsoil leaches away, and the land starts to sink even lower. Then there are lots of places in this country where the ONLY justification for building homes is gorgeous location, like Miami Beach and all the other sandbars on our Atlantic coast, or the muddy, fire prone hills above Los Angeles. People have to find work, they have to live where they work. New Orleans grew where it did because it was a handy place for a port that served the Mississippi, there was rich fishing in the gulf, it was marginally drier than much of the wetland around it. But, like Venice, it's been sinking since it was built, http://www.pubs.asce.org/ceonline/ceonline03/0603feat.html and just like the proverbial frog in a slowly heating kettle, few have ever decided it was time to get out. But you can't expect to live below sea level next to a sea, or on a flood plain, or a sand bar, or a muddy hillside, or a dry pine forest, and be safe. Should governments issue building permits in swamps? Should insurance companies write fire policies on wooden houses in pine forests? Flood policies on swamps and flood plains? Should governments try to control mighty rivers from headwaters to delta, destroying wetlands and the buffering swamp? Should governments dredge millions of tons of sand back onto the beaches of Miami every time a hurricane scours them out? Do citizens have a right to settle in the path of disaster? Does government have an obligation to make extraordinary efforts to save them from that disaster? Whether we ever get New Orleans dry again, or not, perhaps it should be condemned as unfit for human habitation. Made partly into a memorial (To stubborn denial in the face of the obvious?) and the rest back to wetland. We certainly need the wetlands, and I'd bet that if the Mississippi was allowed to set her own course, in only a decade or two the entire bowl of New Orleans would become fine breeding grounds, once again filling the gulf with life. I'm not sure I even know my own position on all this, but I've lived in the path of hurricanes for many years. I can't help but stroll the beaches of our barrier islands, looking at houses and condos, built on SAND BARS, and ask, Are these people nuts? How can they live here and expect sympathy and support when a storm sweeps the land right out from under them? What lunatic zoning board said it was alright to sell condos on sand bars? The buildings do sit on pilings driven a dozen meters or more into our very soft bedrock, but that only means they might not wash away immediately, instead perching on stilts in the Atlantic ocean, when the storm moves the barrier island out from under them. And it will, sooner or later. Taryn ornae.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams... Oops, double post.
Sorry, the earlier posting (20:35:45) is incomplete, I had no idea it went out until I noticed the double post on the archives. Keith, It's hardly important, but I wondered if there is a simple way to toss duplicates and accidents from the archives? Taryn ornae.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Problems, problems, problems
No, I did not titrate, but made 9 batches of 20 ml in a tube, starting at 3½ gram / ltr of oil, next 4 grams per liter, 4½ grams/ltr etc. In this way I have made a lot of BD now and it works fine. There was no difference at all, they all turned hard and the color was like coffee with milk. The E900 so they call it, is added at a mixture of soja and palm oil or a mixture of rapeseedoil and palm oil, at a rate of 3 ppm. There is nothing else in it, so the manufacturer assured me. When I try good oil from other restaurants, everything is fine, but as soon as there is any oil from this man in it, I have the problems there. Of course a solution would be to stop collecting oil from there, but many restaurants use the same oil and they have the same scedule of renewing the oil. They sell high quality chips and snacks and the last thing I expect is, that they would use their oil too long. So, I have no idea what is happening. Could it be something like polymeres ? I don't know anything about polymeres, so maybe it's a stupid question. Thanks all in advance. Pieter. Pieter, I agree with Kieth, it probably is not the anti-foaming agent which is there in parts per million conc(?). Have you titrated the stuff? Maybe a very high free fatty acid content? Or maybe it is all saturated fat? Another possibility is that something is extracted into the cooking oil in significant quantities, which solidifies when it is diluted with more oil? Pieter Koole wrote: Thanks Keith, If the silicone is not what is gelling the BD, what else can it be ? I still make BD from other suppliers without problems, but as soon as I mix any oil from this particular adress in it, it turns hard. With hard I mean as hard as butter in a fridge, so not jelly. Ok, but IF it is caused by the silicone, what can we do ? Because we will have to deal with this more and more in the future. Thanks again. Dag Pieter Hello all, I found a new adres where I can collect quit a bit of good quality oil, well, that is what I thought. In this oil is added what we call E900 ( a european code ) which is dimethylpolysiloxaan, to avoid the oil from foaming when they bake their chips. From this oil I get one great big lump of solid stuff when I try to make BD from it. Can anyone please help me ? Of course I could go and look for another restaurant, but this E900 is used more and more, so I will meet this problem more often in the future. E900 is a polymere from silicone : (C2H6OSi)n It's used here in Japan too, we did some research on it when we first came here. We've processed a lot of oil with silicone anti-foaming agent in it and it hasn't made any difference. It's a very small proportion in the oil though, I don't recall the exact figure. Maybe they use more in the EU, but I doubt that's what gelling your biodiesel. Best wishes Keith Met dank en vriendelijke groet, Pieter Koole Netherlands ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Bob Allen http://ozarker.org/bob Science is what we have learned about how to keep from fooling ourselves — Richard Feynman ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Religion, Politics Biofuels, and Illusion
:-( The browser history keeps the urls, why doesn't it keep the whole threads? Firefox (or any mozilia browser) + Slogger = Never lose a page and make your history fully searchable. It is very handy and I find the ability to take my bookmarks with me. Jeromie ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] BP loses money?? Yeah, right.
bob allen wrote: Howdy David, a flat tax would just reward the rich with lower taxes and punish the impoverished with taxes they didn't have before. See #2 The flat tax also will not address the flight of corporations to tax havens. flat tax- bad idea. Its a good idea. Yes it doesnt does it? Well simple to fix. You do business in the USA? you pay a flat tax on the money your company brings in Easy isnt it? So what if your based outside the USA? If anything for BEING based outside the borders you should pay MORE. Gives companies reason to base at least some part of them selves in the USA (and that should mean more jobs, or at least more job options). First thing we need to do is totaly clean slate the current setup and truely think of what we want to have. Then lets make it happen (we the people are the bosses, arent we? Votes mean something dont they? If not then give up, go home and cry cause we already lost that battle, pickup your guns as its time to have another revolution) David M. Brockes wrote: This is why we need a Flat Tax system in this country for both Individual and Business. 8% to 12% would provide a tax base much more robust than what we have todayand most of us would probably pay less, if most of us pay less, then somebody pays more. A 12% tax rate would mean tax break for the rich; hence, the poor would be paying more for the rich persons reduction. #2 I about fell off my couch when I read this. The poor wont be paying for the rich to have a tax break. Flat taxes would be fair, if I make $1, I pay XX%. Very simple. If I can figure out how to make $10 while you can only figure out how to make $1, why should I have to give more then XX% of it over then you? Cause your unable or unwilling to make more? Thats not right at all. A flat tax IS. Something that I have yet to see is lets solve the real tax issue. IMNSHO the real issue is the goverment waste of money, tax breeaks to large companies (normaly people who give donations to the right pockets) and other misguided efforts of people. If we were to truely reform taxes to a flat tax (a good thing) it would mean we HAVE reformed the goverment spending process (and a whole lot more) Jeromie Reeves but certainly everyone would pay a fair share.and think of all the savings there would be from all the extra costs currently related to our Tax system!! Just IMHO!! Dave -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 9:51 AM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] BP loses money?? Yeah, right. It's all part of the standard multinational corporation planning to move the profits to the jurisdiction in which they are taxed least (preferably not at all). cut ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Mikes everywhere I look!
Mike someone wrote G>: What!? I have kids!!? I think Doug's got the wrong Mike on that quote (as Mike Weaver already noticed). :-) Mike Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Nah, the kids have their own room. Douglas Smith wrote: Michael Redler wrote: Uh oh. I'm cohabitating illegally. Wait'll I tell my GF. I'm sorry folks, I seem to have made a silly mistake. My apologies to both Mikes. It's always the details that screw us up, isn't it? : ) Doug Smith - Families is where our nation finds hope, Where our wings take dream. – George W. Bush ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Linux, virii and Microsoft
Oh well. No good deed goes unpunished! Scary but true, Mike. I have shifted my business to PC repair from a small DSL company because most people use Microsoft products and the monopoly Qwest killed the old business. We live in the mountains a short distance from our business. At the same time as I attempt to educate clients about the vulnerabilities of Windows and install free protection software, I also have taken the position that it is time to conserve fuel and get back to nature with sustainable lifestyles. I am beginning to see parallels with these two worlds. Most people don't want to hear about conservation at the cost of convenience. Most of my clients don't want to take the time to learn another OS to save themselves grief later. Seems like a Homer Simpson virus is going around. How much will it cost me right now? No future with this type of thinking. I just had one of my newsletter readers stop by the shop to let me know that I am wasting my time with all of these biofuel pipe dreams . Thanks, I needed to hear that again. My wife in support said, Never mind that Brian is researching alternative fuels for all of us, He is also doing it for himself! Why is my peace of mind such a hard pill for others to swallow? I think they feel somehow that I am merely cheating. I still buy petrol, but just by thinking that someday I will not need to... I am getting one over on the rest of the sheep? I think what I am doing is a positive effort toward a real future. It isn't competitive. Sustainable. Brian Rodgers ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Solar panals or wind
Why do you hate batteries? They are a needed device. I would rather have a hydrogen PEM fuel cell setup. Use wind to feed a water seperation tank then feed the H2/O2 to the hPEM. Only use the hPEM when power beyond the wind source is needed, or at locations remote from the wind fed grid. Jeromie Garth Kim Travis wrote: Greetings, I hate batteries. That is why I want a system that I can power with methane if I need power when the sun is not shining. I use almost no power after the sun goes down, most of the year. We do not watch tv or other wasteful appetites for power, but, I do sometimes like to sew at night, so having the option of turning the power on, I like. Most people would be unhappy with a system that I can live with, I don't mind a little inconvenience, it just reminds me how lucky I am to have power. Bright Blessings, Kim At 09:17 AM 8/30/2005, you wrote: Garth Kim Travis wrote: Greetings, I am a fan of using solar collectors to fire a stirling engine that can also be fired with methane. Small solar panels for stuff that is used primarily in the daytime, wind power that can be home repaired. And the generator that is fire by the stirling can be run off the pto of the tractor on biodiesel, or from a tire of the car. Lots of overlap and back up. If one part of the system malfunctions, the meat in the freezer does not thaw. I have yet to figure out how to put a 1/4 of a cow in there at a time.grin Bright Blessings, Kim A system I've been working on, and redesigning throughout the years is going more toward solar heat. A solar concentrator, (reads: recycled 10' diameter satellite dish covered with little squares of mirror salvaged from the glass shop's dumpster) and a Stirling engine are integral, the engine integrating the conversion from solar heat to electricity, but then the question arose, do I really want to be dependent on a system that stores its power in batteries? So the system has shifted to collecting heat, and storing that. Then, draw from that, the energy I need for electricity, and still have heat for water, or home space. And on a medium cloud cover, I can still focus infrared rays and collect heat. Solar panels tend to do less well with clouds. doug swanson -- All generalizations are false. Including this one. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * This email is constructed entirely with OpenSource Software. No Microsoft databits have been incorporated herein. All existing databits have been constructed from recycled databits. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Solar panels
Hi Joe, thanks for the link. On page 2 it states: Indium gallium nitride solar cells could be made. approaching the maximum theoretical efficiencies of better than 70 percent. The article I read centered on the patent of a deposition process. I dont remember the elements used though. Definitely a good read! With RD going on worldwide, theres bound to be more energy breakthroughs in our lifetime. Regards, Emil -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joe Street Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 2:33 PM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Solar panels I wonder if it had to do with Gallium Indium Nitride? Check this link http://www.lbl.gov/Science-Articles/Archive/MSD-perfect-solar-cell.html In a nutshell it works by varying the doping level of indium in Gallium Nitride so as to smoothly taper the bandgap of the material from low to high energy. This is a step beyond the multijunction cells which are the highest efficiency (25-35%) and extremely expensive used in the satellite industry. This approach could potentially use a graded profile of indium doping in a stack of junctions so that photons from the entire energy spectrum will find their home at some point within the device. I don't think this approaches 90% (is that an exaggeration) but 75% may be doable. This technique would require an MBE (molecular beam epitaxy) which is a ridiculously expensive ultra high vacuum deposition tool and material growth rates are painfully slow so although it has the potential to make super PV cells don't hold your breath to see them on the market. General consensus is that the viability point for the comercialization of solar power is somewhere at the dollar per watt mark. However these predictions were made based on some standard economic benchmarks. Due to what peak oil could do all bets are off on this figure for the future. Joe Manzo, Emil wrote: About 8-9 months ago I read a report about a man who invented a process that yielded a high-efficiency solar panel. Like 90%. The process reminded me of the way they make super high density integrated circuits. His website was ardev.com and when I went back again it went down (I think its some kind of flower site now). The announcement said he refused to just sell off the patent because he wanted it to actually be produced. He was teaming up with Westinghouse to produce the solar panels. Anybody hear something more about this? Perhaps it was BS. Regards, Emil ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Solar panals or wind
Regardless of the climate changes wind is cheaper by far. lets say you need 25Kw/H per day (that is my average use) This assumes no storage facility and constant production Solar you have MAYBE 12 hours/day to make electricity. Of that you can only count on 25% to be producing MAX panel power. This means you need to make 2Kw/h (12 hours production) and 6.25Kw/H with 4 hours for production. With wind you need only 1.05Kw/H Now reality says you wont get wind 24/7 (some palces do) and that you will have days where you wont get any sun. For a home wind setup I would go with 2Kw/H and a fair sized storage facility. Solar I would go with 10Kw/H and a huge storage facility. If I owned the building I live in (i rent office + apt in the same building) I would mount 4 500w generators on the roof. We have a fairly good wind blowing all the time. Plenty of space for a good 24v battery bank with 2000aH. Pay off is around 3 years. It can be much shorter depending on your power use along with if your power co has a co-generation energy credit program. Jeromie Tom Irwin wrote: Hi All, If climate change occurs from global warming do solar panels make more sense to buy or will wind be better. My thoughts go toward wind. If the temperature expected occur, many areas will have more cloudy days from all of the extra moisture evaporated into the atmosphere from the rising ocean tamperatures. What do you all think? Wind can be fairly constant in some areas and should only increase from climate change. Tom Irwin *From:* Mike Weaver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* Biofuel@sustainablelists.org *Sent:* Mon, 29 Aug 2005 20:56:33 -0300 *Subject:* Re: [Biofuel] Sept 1 declared no buy gas day FWIW BP is a fairly big player in solar panels - so far a 3-6 backlog of orders. Keith Addison wrote: Hi Darryl Very nice! I'm sure others can contribute more ideas beyond the list above. My point is, don't act for a day, act for a lifetime. I'm also sure, there've been some good contributions so far. If we can et some more I can compile them and make a page at Journey to Forever for it, might help. It would be nice to internationalise it a bit, but if it doesn't work out that way I don't mind. Best wishes Keith Well, then I guess we can expect to see BP putting all their gasoline stations up for sale. After all, the managers are required to maximize the returns for their shareholders. If the stations are losing money, they have to dump them. I won't be holding my breath. As for gas-outs - it's a sad joke, as has been pointed out here before. If you want to reduce gasoline (and diesel) consumption, for whatever reason, here's a start on what you can do to make a difference. 1) Walk somewhere. Anywhere. Just leave your guzzler parked. 2) Get a bicycle. Preferably something used. Try your local FreeCycle, or bike repair co-op, or a used bike dealer. Find something comfortable and practical for your use. Then use it. 3) Check the pressure on the tires on your vehicle. Correct if necessary. Slight overinflation is better for fuel economy than slight underinflation. Repeat monthly or more frequently if required. 4) Have your vehicle tuned up on a regular, appropriate schedule. Check owner's manual for details. Check for dragging brakes, emissions control system problems, etc while you are at it. 5) Plan your trips to minimize distance travelled (trip chaining). 6) Use public transit when available and appropriate. Or carpool. 7) Use biofuels, e.g. E100, E85, E10 as recommended for your vehicle. There are many flex-fuel vehicles on the road in the U.S. due to CAFE dual-fuel incentive, where the owners don't even know the vehicle is flex-fuel capable. Check your vehicle manual. Use biodiesel blend where available or appropriate (or make your own, of course). 8) Take extra weight out of your vehicle, as accelerating extra weight uses more energy, and de-accelerating extra weight increases brake wear. (e.g. sand and salt mixture for winter use should not be in the trunk all sumer as well). 9) When shopping for tires, look for economizer / fuel miser / energy wise labels. 10) When shopping for a replacement vehicle, look for something that is as fuel- efficient as possible while meeting most of your needs - not necessarily all of your needs. You can rent a vehicle to meet occasional requirements. 11) If you
[Biofuel] BP stations for sale
snip Well, then I guess we can expect to see BP putting all their gasoline stations up for sale. After all, the managers are required to maximize the returns for their shareholders. If the stations are losing money, they have to dump them. I won't be holding my breath. snip All the BP stations in Mercer County, PA have closed and are for sale. There are numerous BP stations still open for business across the Ohio line, less then ten miles away. What does that mean? I have no idea, just something that I observe in my daily travels. IT SURE DOESN'T MEAN I BELIEVE BP IS LOSING MONEY ON THEIR GAS!! In fact, I was kinda wondering if they are doing random closings like this around the country (and possibly world) and THAT is where they are stating a loss from -- property depreciation and NOT gas/oil sales??? Bob C. PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
