RE: [biofuels-biz] Energy Considerations of a Supercritical Reactor
Thanks for the info. Something tells me you are into selling this technology? Regards, Christopher =-Original Message- =From: Winny De Schryver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] =Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 2:33 AM =To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com =Subject: RE: [biofuels-biz] Energy Considerations of a Supercritical =Reactor = = =Hello, = =We use about 75 Kw/hour to heat oil and methanol (1200 liter/hour) =The rest of the heating is done with the cooling of the output. =And there is still enough heat for the offices and home. = =When you use WVO there is no need to take care of the energy for =growing the =seeds etc... = =Further on you need pumps, a reactor and decompression valve and tank and =storage tanks. = =That's it = =Price 500.000 euro (capacity 10,000 ton a year) = =Winny = -Oorspronkelijk bericht- = Van: Christopher Tan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] = Verzonden: zondag 6 juli 2003 8:57 = Aan: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com = Onderwerp: RE: [biofuels-biz] Energy Considerations of a Supercritical = Reactor = = = Hi! = = Will a supercritical biodiesel reactor be more energy efficient than the = common transesterification process? = = Thanks, = Christopher = = =-Original Message- = =From: Mauro Knudsen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] = =Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 10:45 AM = =To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com = =Subject: Re: [biofuels-biz] Argentine no-catalyst process = = = = = =Hello Martin, = = = =We are a little bit delayed, but not stoped. We are patenting the = =process, and continue the testing our experimental reactor (lab = =scale). We have delayed the building of the pilot plant other 4 = =months because we don't want start the construction without have = =our Patent first. = =Best regards, = = = =Mauro Knudsen. = = = =- Original Message - = =From: Martin Brook [EMAIL PROTECTED] = =To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com = =Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 7:41 PM = =Subject: Re: [biofuels-biz] Re: Argentine no-catalyst process = = = = = = Hows it going? Best regards, Martin Brook, = = - Original Message - = = From: mauro_knudsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] = = To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com = = Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 12:54 PM = = Subject: [biofuels-biz] Re: Argentine no-catalyst process = = = = = = Hello all, = = = = Yes, we are working in supercritical conditios. This is, very strong = = conditios for the oil and methanol. There is no space for kitchen = = experimentation. We have change ALL the design for this kind of = = reactors, in one way that, they are very safety. One of =this reactors = = can be broken near from someone, and nothing will happen. I =will give = = you an example. The pressure and temperature, inside of a diesel = = engine combustion chamber, it«s higher than the pressure and = = temperature, inside of our reactor. However the diesel engines are = = very safety because they are designed to run on this conditions (if = = not, maybe this engines can gone be very dangerous). I can give you = = thousand examples, like planes, cars, etc., we just have to do well = = designed machines. For me, the safety is FIRST, because I will = = operate my own pilot plant in some months. = = I«m sorry I can«t give you more details. = = Best wishes, = = = = Mauro Knudsen. = = = = = = = = --- In biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com, Keith Addison =[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: = = See the following publication for supercritical reaction = = conditions. = = = = Biodiesel fuels from veg.oils via catalytic and non-catalytic = = supercritical = = alcohol transesterifications and other methods: a survey. = = ENERGY CONVERSION AND MANAGEMENT 44 (2003) 2093-2109 = = (Published by = = ELSEVIER. www.elsevier.com) = = Author: AYHAN DEMIRBAS = = = = levent yuceer = = = = Please check this link for supercritical reaction reservations: = = http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?view=17922list=BIOFUEL = = = = Best = = = = Keith = = = = - Original Message - = = From: Marc de Piolenc [EMAIL PROTECTED] = = To: biofuels-biz biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com = = Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 1:38 PM = = Subject: = = = =I think I speak for others on the list when I say WE =would like = = to hear = =more about this! I confess I have no idea how it's = = done...unless you are = =carrying out the reactions under supercritical conditions. = = = =Best, = =Marc = = = =You wrote: = = = =- The process can consume any crude vegetable oil or grease = = (without = =neutralize). = =- In every feedstock we obtain a minimum of 99% of biodiesel = = yield = =with not = =less than 97% conversion. = =- The process don«t make any soap. = =- The process don«t wash the biodiesel (because don«t have any = = soap = =and = =catalist trazes). = =- The procesing time is 6 minutes vs 1 to 6 hours in the = = convetional = =way. = =- The entire process use 4 time less
Re: [biofuels-biz] Coconut Crazy
Hi Marc We can take this correspondence off-line if you prefer. All you have to do is reply to my personal e-mail address. (I'm not sure how interesting coconut oil is to those folk wrestling with the US bureaucracy anyway!) Please include me in your addressee list if you do go off-list - I am very interested and may even be able to help a little. Any help is welcome help at this time . . . The research of my colleagues here shows that while refined oil will run over 3000 hours in this system, unrefined oil cooks the engine within 500 hours. I keep asking them to write this up but I think there is a reluctance to publish negative results! It would be interesting to know exactly what component of the unrefined oil is causing the mischief. If it's water, as I suspect, that's relatively easy to fix. If it's free fatty acids...oops. It is. We went to some trouble to dry out the oil. FFA was up to 22% Oleic acid equivalent (OAE) in some of the batches. My recollection of the medicinal properties of coconut milk is that quenching your thirst on it leads to the world falling out of your bottom . . . . . I have, however, been told that is high in potassium and can actually settle the guts after a bad attack of Tropical Squits . . . Forgive my pedantry, but coconut water and coconut milk are not the same. The water is a clear liquid that partly fills the interior of a green nut; in fully mature nuts it is almost completely absorbed in the meat that lines the interior of the shell. On the other hand, is the pressings of the meat; in other words, coconut milk includes oil unless the oil has been extracted. Well actually I mean both Marc! As you say, drinking coconuts are usually immature nuts full of a watery liquid and look good with a couple of straws stuck out the top. Whereas the cream or milk is prepared by shredding the flesh of the mature coconut and squeezing the pulp through a muslin or similar mesh. Right ? I can take the milk in a green curry up to about the same amount as I can drink coconut water. Then my personal microflora make a protest. The impoverished natives of Bougainville island use a sort of fermentation to separate oil from crude coconut milk for burning in diesel vehicles. In Sri Lanka they sometimes drink the fermented toddy and forget about driving the vehicle! In general, of course, this is preferrable to them actually trying to drive! I believe Bougainville had /has the same problem. So does rural P-NG I am told. In SL they call the stuff coconut arrack. Incidentally, this seems to be a form of coconut liquor that my personal bugs seem happy with (although the head can suffer!). There is also a caste of gentlemen who make a tastier brew from the juice of the flower of the kitul palm. They are called toddy tappers and have a spider's web of ropes strung out in the palm tops. If the toddy is not distilled pretty quickly though, the whole mess is vinegar the next day. They can also evaporate off the water in giant chatties to make a sugar called jaggery or a liquid that they (hopefully) call honey. I am told that, if you distill the arrack a couple of times, you can just about run your car on it! I've have imbibed a similar brew here in rural Thailand but again, after a couple of drinks no one seems much concerned with its use as an alternative fuel. There has been some suggestion that this and other indigenous ethanol could be reacted with palm-oil to make a totally sustainable and indigenous fuel. I've even put in a research application for building a trial plant in a couple of years when we have the methanol route thoroughly sussed. I have worked on using coconut shells and coir to fuel. The problem is that a simple steam turbine running on the Rankine cycle can only muster about 40% conversion of the fuel into useful work, the rest is discarded to the environment. Co-generation is possible if you have a use for lots of tepid water. But generally in the tropics, there is an abundance of this stuff! Why it even falls out of the sky! 40% is damn' good - a small steam plant really can't get anywhere near that. 43% is the theoretical limit for a small steam turbine working on the Rankine cycle between 17MPa/2500 psia and 538C/1000deg F with a condenser capable of pulling the turbine output down to 7Pa/1 psia. This usually means a hydrostatic leg of about 11m/36 ft with a submersible pump at the bottom of the well to give the boiler feed water its pressure. And then there are the losses in the firebox, the flue-gas etc. etc. etc. so yes, I agree with you that 25% is pretty good for most poorly designed and maintained units of the form in common use around oil plant. Please consider that 25% (say) is 25% more than nothing, which is what you get if you leave the shells to rot or just burn them in piles to get rid of them. Furthermore, the waste heat can be used for process heating. The more
[biofuels-biz] EERE Network News -- 07/09/03
== EERE NETWORK NEWS -- July 9, 2003 A weekly newsletter from the U.S. Department of Energy's (DOE) Office of Energy Efficiency and Renewable Energy (EERE). http://www.eere.energy.gov/ == Featuring: *News and Events DOE Awards $89 Million to 19 States for Home Weatherization New Large Wind Power Plants Planned for New York, Washington New Catalyst Produces Hydrogen from Biomass Without Platinum Research Institute Advances Grid Connection Technology Indiana Fuel Terminal Offers Biodiesel, Easing Distribution Thirty Solar Cars to Race on Route 66 Starting July 13th *Energy Connections U.S. Energy-Related Carbon Emissions Increased in 2002 *About this Newsletter -- NEWS AND EVENTS -- DOE Awards $89 Million to 19 States for Home Weatherization DOE announced on July 1st its award of $89.4 million to 19 states for energy efficiency improvements to homes of low-income families. Low- income families spend an average of 14 percent of their income on energy, compared with 3.5 percent for the average American. The grants were awarded to Arizona, Colorado, Georgia, Illinois, Kentucky, Maryland, Minnesota, Missouri, Nebraska, New Mexico, Nevada, North Carolina, North Dakota, Pennsylvania, South Dakota, Utah, Virginia, Wisconsin, and Wyoming. See the July 1st press release on the newly revised DOE Web site at: http://www.energy.gov/engine/content.do?BT_CODE=PR_PRESSRELEASES. Weatherization reduces an average home's energy costs by $215 a year. The program, which is administered through the states and 970 local agencies, gives a priority to low-income households with elderly members, people with disabilities, and children. See DOE's Weatherization Assistance Program Web site at: http://www.eere.energy.gov/buildings/weatherization_assistance/. New Large Wind Power Plants Planned for New York, Washington Zilka Renewable Energy, LLC proposed a new 165-megawatt wind power plant for Washington State last week, while the New York Power Authority (NYPA) is negotiating to bring as much as 151 megawatts of wind power to upstate New York. Zilkha has requested an initial study of its proposed site for a 165-megawatt wind plant in Kittitas County, about 100 miles east of Tacoma. Zilkha submitted its request to the state's Energy Facility Site Evaluation Council (EFSEC) on July 2nd, naming the proposed facility the Wild Horse Wind Power Project. Zilkha also applied earlier this year to build a 181-megawatt wind facility in the same county. The application for that project, called the Kittitas Valley Wind Power Project, is still under review by the EFSEC. See the Zilkha request and the EFSEC announcement at: http://www.efsec.wa.gov/wildhorse.html. In New York, the New York Power Authority (NYPA) has decided to buy 50 megawatts of wind power from two proposed projects. Chautauqua Windpower proposes to build a 51-megawatt wind plant near the shores of Lake Erie in Chautauqua County, just east of the Pennsylvania border. Windfarm Prattsburgh, LLC proposes to install as much as 100 megawatts of wind power capacity near the town of Prattsburgh in Steuben County, about 50 miles south of Rochester. NYPA will buy no more than half of the wind power generated by each of the proposed projects. See the NYPA press release at: http://www.nypa.gov/press/2003/030624a.htm. New Catalyst Produces Hydrogen from Biomass Without Platinum Researchers at the University of Wisconsin-Madison have developed a nickel-tin catalyst that can convert glucose into hydrogen at low temperatures, providing a new process for converting biomass into hydrogen. The discovery, announced last week, follows research by the same group last year that produced hydrogen using a platinum catalyst. The new catalyst is much less expensive, which makes the process more practical. The researchers have also developed a secondary process to reduce carbon monoxide contamination in the resulting hydrogen gas to very low levels. That secondary process currently uses a platinum catalyst, but the researchers hope to develop an inexpensive catalyst for that process as well. See the University of Wisconsin-Madison press release at: http://www.news.wisc.edu/view.html?id=8740. While the Wisconsin researchers work to perfect their hydrogen production process, FuelCell Energy, Inc. will be advancing fuel cell technologies under four separate federal contracts totaling $1.45 million. A DOE award of $750,000 will go toward developing advanced control modules for the company's power plant that combines a fuel cell with a turbine. DOE will also provide $100,000 for developing advanced positive electrodes, or cathodes, for proton-
Re: [biofuels-biz] Coconut Crazy
Keith, I'm not taking this off-line! This stuff is too interesting! While my background is in electric generation and economic development, I did time with P.G.E. back in the 80's on alternative energy - I'm a business guy who grew up in the Pacific Islands. So, this topic is of great interest as I come up the learning curve on the matter. Fossil fuels to be sure have their place - however, not everyone can afford OPEC and the cabal in the US. The idea of growing energy just makes sense for some economies. One of my students is a bio-chemical engineer with something like 27 patents (who unfortunately ran afoul of the justice system and wound up in my business classes at the local state prison). Lucky for me! I'm doing a reverse teaching thing with him; I teach him business and he teaches me this stuff. I'd like to eventually develop a packaged program for isolated economies based on bio-fuels. And, I'd like to thank everyone for their contributions; tho I might not have much to add to the discussion myself - I will be asking questions :-) Bruce --- Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Michael, Bruce Dear Bruce, We can take this correspondence off-line if you prefer. All you have to do is reply to my personal e-mail address. (I'm not sure how interesting coconut oil is to those folk wrestling with the US bureaucracy anyway!) Please don't take it off-line, there's widespread interest in coconut oil and the more information is available and publicly shared the better - such discussions do much more good in the archives and accessible to all than hidden away on a couple of people's hard disks. Incidentally, there is no great secret in the Neoterics claim: You can run diesel engines directly on refined coconut oil just as you can on refined palm-oil: You just have to melt and pre-heat the oil! We have done this by passing the exhaust pipe up through the fuel tank but, being in the tropics, we do have a head-start: the air temperature is about 32C so our oils are liquid. The challenge has been to use unrefined palm-oil which is about one tenth the price of the refined stuff. The research of my colleagues here shows that while refined oil will run over 3000 hours in this system, unrefined oil cooks the engine within 500 hours. I keep asking them to write this up but I think there is a reluctance to publish negative results! My recollection of the medicinal properties of coconut milk is that quenching your thirst on it leads to the world falling out of your bottom . . . . . I have, however, been told that is high in potassium and can actually settle the guts after a bad attack of Tropical Squits . . . I have worked on using coconut shells and coir to fuel. The problem is that a simple steam turbine running on the Rankine cycle can only muster about 40% conversion of the fuel into useful work, the rest is discarded to the environment. Co-generation is possible if you have a use for lots of tepid water. But generally in the tropics, there is an abundance of this stuff! Why it even falls out of the sky! I did design a coconut-shell fuelled heater for drying bananas in Tonga many years ago. This was to help a health food company which had effectively been attacked by a Peace Corp worker! He had insisted that they use solar energy to dry the bananas in an inflatable building! Sadly the air flow over the bananas was negligible and the intermittant electricity supply caused the building to collapse onto the mouldy bananas anyway. This was my initiation into inappropriate technology foisted onto developing countries by poorly-educated westerners who carry absolutely no responsibility for the outcome! Even a cursory glance at the met data would have shown that Nuku'alofa is frequently overcast and that it can be cool enough that pullovers are worn. And anyone in the street could have told him about the frequent electrical black-outs. But hey! that was a lot of years ago . . . Things have changed . . . . have'nt they ? :-) Nope, they haven't changed. But, now as then, there are people who do excellent work, many of them (like you do Michael). But then there are the others... Hard to know what to do about them - they're full of good intentions which all too often end up paving the road to hell, as it is written, but other people's hells, not theirs, and by the time that happens they're long gone and seldom learn of it. Of course I can help, I've got a Western education! Uh-huh... How to sustain the goodwill and good intent but channel it towards a more constructive outcome? http://journeytoforever.org/rural.html Rural development - If it's not broken, don't fix it - Fixing what's broken http://journeytoforever.org/community.html Community development http://journeytoforever.org/community2.html Community development - poverty and hunger Someone on another list
[biofuels-biz] Sounds familiar?
Check this out - a heads-up from Girl Mark (thanks!) (I think...): http://www.safariseeds.com/botanical/biodiesel/biodiesel%20.htm Biodiesel: From The Field To The Fuel Tank Now just where have we heard something very like that title before? And if the rest of it starts to sound familiar - you're right, it IS familiar, all too. Unbelievable. http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_aleksnew.html Foolproof biodiesel process: Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make.html Make your own biodiesel: Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_yield.html Vegetable oil yields, characteristics: Journey to Forever Etc etc etc etc The story of Castor and Pollux ends sadly... Keith Journey to Forever Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Free shipping on all inkjet cartridge refill kit orders to US Canada. Low prices up to 80% off. We have your brand: HP, Epson, Lexmark more. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5510 http://us.click.yahoo.com/y8_tZA/6oVGAA/ySSFAA/9bTolB/TM -~- Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuels-biz] Energy Considerations of a Supercritical Reactor
Christopher, We will be selling the technology, after we have build our own plant in Belgium. The theory is popular and has been published several times. Our lab test are conclusif. Unfotunately the Belgian Governement was not very positif to biodiesel, since two weeks we here positive decissions. We will have an appointment withe the minister late august early september. So we decided to go on. The plans for the plant an a steel scud will be build in a few days. We are collecting WVO (what is only under strict legal conditions possible in Belgium), se sell about 200 tons a month and are upscaling to 1,000 tons in 2004. It is possible that a reactor will be sold in a 20 container ready with connections to tanks, energy and water. Interested ? Winny -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Christopher Tan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Verzonden: woensdag 9 juli 2003 10:17 Aan: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Onderwerp: RE: [biofuels-biz] Energy Considerations of a Supercritical Reactor Thanks for the info. Something tells me you are into selling this technology? Regards, Christopher =-Original Message- =From: Winny De Schryver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] =Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 2:33 AM =To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com =Subject: RE: [biofuels-biz] Energy Considerations of a Supercritical =Reactor = = =Hello, = =We use about 75 Kw/hour to heat oil and methanol (1200 liter/hour) =The rest of the heating is done with the cooling of the output. =And there is still enough heat for the offices and home. = =When you use WVO there is no need to take care of the energy for =growing the =seeds etc... = =Further on you need pumps, a reactor and decompression valve and tank and =storage tanks. = =That's it = =Price 500.000 euro (capacity 10,000 ton a year) = =Winny = -Oorspronkelijk bericht- = Van: Christopher Tan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] = Verzonden: zondag 6 juli 2003 8:57 = Aan: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com = Onderwerp: RE: [biofuels-biz] Energy Considerations of a Supercritical = Reactor = = = Hi! = = Will a supercritical biodiesel reactor be more energy efficient than the = common transesterification process? = = Thanks, = Christopher = = =-Original Message- = =From: Mauro Knudsen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] = =Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 10:45 AM = =To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com = =Subject: Re: [biofuels-biz] Argentine no-catalyst process = = = = = =Hello Martin, = = = =We are a little bit delayed, but not stoped. We are patenting the = =process, and continue the testing our experimental reactor (lab = =scale). We have delayed the building of the pilot plant other 4 = =months because we don't want start the construction without have = =our Patent first. = =Best regards, = = = =Mauro Knudsen. = = = =- Original Message - = =From: Martin Brook [EMAIL PROTECTED] = =To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com = =Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 7:41 PM = =Subject: Re: [biofuels-biz] Re: Argentine no-catalyst process = = = = = = Hows it going? Best regards, Martin Brook, = = - Original Message - = = From: mauro_knudsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] = = To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com = = Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 12:54 PM = = Subject: [biofuels-biz] Re: Argentine no-catalyst process = = = = = = Hello all, = = = = Yes, we are working in supercritical conditios. This is, very strong = = conditios for the oil and methanol. There is no space for kitchen = = experimentation. We have change ALL the design for this kind of = = reactors, in one way that, they are very safety. One of =this reactors = = can be broken near from someone, and nothing will happen. I =will give = = you an example. The pressure and temperature, inside of a diesel = = engine combustion chamber, it«s higher than the pressure and = = temperature, inside of our reactor. However the diesel engines are = = very safety because they are designed to run on this conditions (if = = not, maybe this engines can gone be very dangerous). I can give you = = thousand examples, like planes, cars, etc., we just have to do well = = designed machines. For me, the safety is FIRST, because I will = = operate my own pilot plant in some months. = = I«m sorry I can«t give you more details. = = Best wishes, = = = = Mauro Knudsen. = = = = = = = = --- In biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com, Keith Addison =[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: = = See the following publication for supercritical reaction = = conditions. = = = = Biodiesel fuels from veg.oils via catalytic and non-catalytic = = supercritical = = alcohol transesterifications and other methods: a survey. = = ENERGY CONVERSION AND MANAGEMENT 44 (2003) 2093-2109 = = (Published by = = ELSEVIER. www.elsevier.com) = = Author: AYHAN DEMIRBAS = = = = levent yuceer = = = = Please check this link for supercritical reaction
Re: [biofuels-biz] diester oil
have you had a look at our website www.biofuel.org.uk? --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.498 / Virus Database: 297 - Release Date: 08/07/2003 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges at Myinks.com - Save 80%. Quality inkjet cartridges refill kits! FREE s/h on $50 orders to the US Canada. Fast shipping. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/hwZBYB/zoVGAA/ySSFAA/9bTolB/TM -~- Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] started out in western australia
thanks l'll check out those options [the local cleaning agant supplier couldn't help] regards steve doug foskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday 07 July 2003 04:36 pm, steve perks wrote: thank you for that todd, and noted the comments [blueprints seem good] l've see some set-ups on the net [mike transportable design, an alec guys two system approach too-but difficulty getting sulfuric acid round these parts!!!, methonal seems the most expensive item to get, next a pump system than stirring the mix, so l'm learning all the time and l'm a dab hand at building systems- if the blueprint is clear. l'll welcome further suggestions from you todd. thanks again steve I made a system from an Edwards Solar tank (stainless). These have a habit of fatigueing on the ends so ther are a few around scrap (made in WA too). We mix in a vessel that resembles a beer keg (same capacity too). An old cast iron waterpump is OK to circulate with, we vacuum our mix in out using an old Hospital vacuum pump, with a catch bottle. Methanol is about $1/litre, bought in 205l drums (used for speedway cars, etc.) Sulphuric acid available from chemical supply companies, Buy from Industrial suppliers, as Pharmacy grade is expensive. Phosphoric acid avail same place. (Hint: your local Industrial cleaning supply company may be able to give the name of a supplier, as they buy from them.) regards Doug PS Good luck! Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ - Yahoo! Mobile - Check compose your email via SMS on your Telstra or Vodafone mobile. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Coral Calcium for Greater Health - $23.95 http://www.challengerone.com/t/l.asp?cid=2805lp=calcium2.asp http://us.click.yahoo.com/MmkSQC/NTVGAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Tracking a car's mileage Was: The Hydrogen hype, the scam artists at work. and more idea's
Fred, The GPS system as such is not just a receiver. It also contains methods for two way communication. In fact apart from an ID recognizing system, it also have a messaging system. The ID system is modelled on the radar recognizing system used for air traffic control. A GPS can be active or passive receiver and this is used in many applications from transport scheduling to search and rescue. Hakan At 01:54 PM 7/8/2003 -0400, you wrote: Hi I didn't think a GPS could be tracked as it is only a radio RECIEVER. I have heard this paranoid fantasy before however, what did I miss? Fred On Tuesday, Jul 8, 2003, at 13:08 US/Eastern, Greg and April wrote: The GPS means nothing if the vehicle spends much of it's time in unmapped territory, or off road. Because then you have miles logged, but, not spent on public streets were the funds would go. Same problem applies to odometer readings. Don't get me wrong I think that people should be charges for their fair share of street use, but, at the same time, they shouldn't be charged for what they don't use ether. Don't forget how much Big Brother would love to GPS every last person, just in case they *might* be a criminal, or become one. Greg H. - Original Message - From: csakima [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 21:39 Subject: [biofuel] Tracking a car's mileage Was: The Hydrogen hype, the scam artists at work. and more idea's Actually, I was just thinking, you could have every car required to be manufactured with a on-board, built in GPS. Then have that GPS tracked from X month to the same registration month the next year. Then have that file cross-referenced with the car's registration/ownership files. THERE ... car registration files ... with how many miles it had traveled tacked on the bottom. Along with where the car went to ... which route it took ... etc. No odometer reading necessary. Curtis Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges at Myinks.com - Save 80%. Quality inkjet cartridges refill kits! FREE s/h on $50 orders to the US Canada. Fast shipping. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/hwZBYB/zoVGAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Tracking a car's mileage Was: The Hydrogen hype, the scam artists at work. and more idea's
Bob, 10 years?? It all started in a global and organized manner, with Napoleon and population registration. Before that you only had the control from the church, who for 100's of years had been obsessed with population control. Hakan At 12:17 PM 7/8/2003 -0700, you wrote: Hey !!, have you been asleep for the last 10 or so years If you think you are not tracked daily as it is you must never go anywhere or spend any money using atm's and the like. Don't worry, big brother knows all about you and keeps his finger on the button at all times. It won't be too many years before computers presently in cars will be tracked and disabled at the will of Government if they only think you might have done something wrong. From that point on it will be 100% GUILTY unless you can prove otherwise. Skin implants are today offered to parents of children who fear abduction and the like. How long do you think this will take to become mandatory for everyone? You will soon only have your freedom at the will of; not because of; your birthright, etc. Bob Greg and April [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The GPS means nothing if the vehicle spends much of it's time in unmapped territory, or off road. Because then you have miles logged, but, not spent on public streets were the funds would go. Same problem applies to odometer readings. Don't get me wrong I think that people should be charges for their fair share of street use, but, at the same time, they shouldn't be charged for what they don't use ether. Don't forget how much Big Brother would love to GPS every last person, just in case they *might* be a criminal, or become one. Greg H. - Original Message - From: csakima [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 21:39 Subject: [biofuel] Tracking a car's mileage Was: The Hydrogen hype, the scam artists at work. and more idea's Actually, I was just thinking, you could have every car required to be manufactured with a on-board, built in GPS. Then have that GPS tracked from X month to the same registration month the next year. Then have that file cross-referenced with the car's registration/ownership files. THERE ... car registration files ... with how many miles it had traveled tacked on the bottom. Along with where the car went to ... which route it took ... etc. No odometer reading necessary. Curtis Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges at Myinks.com - Save 80%. Quality inkjet cartridges refill kits! FREE s/h on $50 orders to the US Canada. Fast shipping. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/hwZBYB/zoVGAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] WMD? Yellowcake? Cartoons!
But first the news (no, it wasn't about biofuel or Iraqi oil) -- They may have finally found the smoking gun that nails the culprit responsible for the Iraq war. Unfortunately, the incriminating evidence wasn't left in one of Saddam Hussein's palaces but rather in Vice President Dick Cheney's office. A diplomat's undiplomatic truth: they lied George H.W. Bush favorite lays out bad news about second Bush administration Robert Scheer Creators Syndicate 07.08.03 http://www.workingforchange.com/article.cfm?ItemID=15270 Former Ambassador Joseph C. Wilson publicly revealed over the weekend that he was the mysterious envoy whom the CIA, under pressure from Cheney, sent to Niger to investigate a document ÷ now known to be a crude forgery ÷ that allegedly showed Iraq was trying to acquire enriched uranium that might be used to build a nuclear bomb. Wilson found no basis for the story, and nobody else has either. What is startling in Wilson's account, however, is that the CIA, the State Department, the National Security Council and the vice president's office were all informed that the Niger-Iraq connection was phony. No one in the chain of command disputed that this evidence of Iraq's revised nuclear weapons program was a hoax. Yet, nearly a year after Wilson reported back the facts to Cheney and the U.S. security apparatus, Bush, in his 2003 State of the Union speech, invoked the fraudulent Iraq-Africa uranium connection as a major justification for rushing the nation to war: The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium in Africa. What the president did not say was that the British were relying on their intelligence white paper, which was based on the same false information that Wilson and the U.S. ambassador to Niger had already debunked. That information was erroneous, and they knew about it well ahead of both the publication of the British white paper and the president's State of the Union address, Wilson said Sunday on Meet the Press. Although a British Parliament report released Monday exonerated the Blair government of deliberate distortion to justify invading Iraq, it urged the foreign secretary to come clean as to when British officials were first told that the Iraq-Niger allegation was based on forged documents. The report noted: It is very odd indeed that the British government has still not come up with any other evidence to support its contention about an Iraq-Niger connection. Nor has the U.S. administration told its public why it ignored the disclaimers from its own intelligence sources. In order to believe that our president was not lying to us, we must believe that this information did not find its way through Cheney's office to the Oval Office. In media interviews, Wilson said it was the vice president's questioning that pushed the CIA to try to find a credible Iraqi nuclear threat after that agency had determined there wasn't one. I have little choice but to conclude that some of the intelligence related to Iraq's nuclear weapons program was twisted to exaggerate the Iraqi threat, Wilson wrote in an Op-Ed article in Sunday's New York Times. A legitimate argument can be made that we went to war under false pretenses. In a Washington Post interview, Wilson added, It really comes down to the administration misrepresenting the facts on an issue that was a fundamental justification for going to war. It begs the question, what else are they lying about? Those are the carefully chosen words of a 23-year career diplomat who, as the top U.S. official in Baghdad in 1990, was praised by then-President George H.W. Bush for his role as the last American to confront Hussein face to face after the dictator invaded Kuwait. In a cable to Baghdad, the president told Wilson: What you are doing day in and day out under the most trying conditions is truly inspiring. Keep fighting the good fight. As Wilson observed wryly, I guess he didn't realize that one of these days I would carry that fight against his son's administration. And that fight remains the good fight. This is not some minor dispute over a footnote to history but rather raises the possibility of one of the most egregious misrepresentations by a U.S. administration. What could be more cynical and impeachable than fabricating a threat of rogue nations or terrorists acquiring nuclear weapons and using that to sell a war? There is no greater threat that we face as a nation, Wilson told NBC, than the threat of weapons of mass destruction in the hands of nonstate actors or international terrorists. And if we've prosecuted a war for reasons other than that, using weapons of mass destruction as cover for that, then I think we've done a great disservice to the weapons-of-mass-destruction threat. The world is outraged at this pattern of lies
[biofuel] EERE Network News -- 07/09/03
== EERE NETWORK NEWS -- July 9, 2003 A weekly newsletter from the U.S. Department of Energy's (DOE) Office of Energy Efficiency and Renewable Energy (EERE). http://www.eere.energy.gov/ == Featuring: *News and Events DOE Awards $89 Million to 19 States for Home Weatherization New Large Wind Power Plants Planned for New York, Washington New Catalyst Produces Hydrogen from Biomass Without Platinum Research Institute Advances Grid Connection Technology Indiana Fuel Terminal Offers Biodiesel, Easing Distribution Thirty Solar Cars to Race on Route 66 Starting July 13th *Energy Connections U.S. Energy-Related Carbon Emissions Increased in 2002 *About this Newsletter -- NEWS AND EVENTS -- DOE Awards $89 Million to 19 States for Home Weatherization DOE announced on July 1st its award of $89.4 million to 19 states for energy efficiency improvements to homes of low-income families. Low- income families spend an average of 14 percent of their income on energy, compared with 3.5 percent for the average American. The grants were awarded to Arizona, Colorado, Georgia, Illinois, Kentucky, Maryland, Minnesota, Missouri, Nebraska, New Mexico, Nevada, North Carolina, North Dakota, Pennsylvania, South Dakota, Utah, Virginia, Wisconsin, and Wyoming. See the July 1st press release on the newly revised DOE Web site at: http://www.energy.gov/engine/content.do?BT_CODE=PR_PRESSRELEASES. Weatherization reduces an average home's energy costs by $215 a year. The program, which is administered through the states and 970 local agencies, gives a priority to low-income households with elderly members, people with disabilities, and children. See DOE's Weatherization Assistance Program Web site at: http://www.eere.energy.gov/buildings/weatherization_assistance/. New Large Wind Power Plants Planned for New York, Washington Zilka Renewable Energy, LLC proposed a new 165-megawatt wind power plant for Washington State last week, while the New York Power Authority (NYPA) is negotiating to bring as much as 151 megawatts of wind power to upstate New York. Zilkha has requested an initial study of its proposed site for a 165-megawatt wind plant in Kittitas County, about 100 miles east of Tacoma. Zilkha submitted its request to the state's Energy Facility Site Evaluation Council (EFSEC) on July 2nd, naming the proposed facility the Wild Horse Wind Power Project. Zilkha also applied earlier this year to build a 181-megawatt wind facility in the same county. The application for that project, called the Kittitas Valley Wind Power Project, is still under review by the EFSEC. See the Zilkha request and the EFSEC announcement at: http://www.efsec.wa.gov/wildhorse.html. In New York, the New York Power Authority (NYPA) has decided to buy 50 megawatts of wind power from two proposed projects. Chautauqua Windpower proposes to build a 51-megawatt wind plant near the shores of Lake Erie in Chautauqua County, just east of the Pennsylvania border. Windfarm Prattsburgh, LLC proposes to install as much as 100 megawatts of wind power capacity near the town of Prattsburgh in Steuben County, about 50 miles south of Rochester. NYPA will buy no more than half of the wind power generated by each of the proposed projects. See the NYPA press release at: http://www.nypa.gov/press/2003/030624a.htm. New Catalyst Produces Hydrogen from Biomass Without Platinum Researchers at the University of Wisconsin-Madison have developed a nickel-tin catalyst that can convert glucose into hydrogen at low temperatures, providing a new process for converting biomass into hydrogen. The discovery, announced last week, follows research by the same group last year that produced hydrogen using a platinum catalyst. The new catalyst is much less expensive, which makes the process more practical. The researchers have also developed a secondary process to reduce carbon monoxide contamination in the resulting hydrogen gas to very low levels. That secondary process currently uses a platinum catalyst, but the researchers hope to develop an inexpensive catalyst for that process as well. See the University of Wisconsin-Madison press release at: http://www.news.wisc.edu/view.html?id=8740. While the Wisconsin researchers work to perfect their hydrogen production process, FuelCell Energy, Inc. will be advancing fuel cell technologies under four separate federal contracts totaling $1.45 million. A DOE award of $750,000 will go toward developing advanced control modules for the company's power plant that combines a fuel cell with a turbine. DOE will also provide $100,000 for developing advanced positive electrodes, or cathodes, for proton-
RE: [biofuel] Tracking a car's mileage Was: The Hydrogen hype, the scam artists at work. and more idea's
Actually the two-way communications systems found on OTR trucks uses the cellular network to transmit data. -BRAH -Original Message- From: Robert Mills [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 9:03 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [biofuel] Tracking a car's mileage Was: The Hydrogen hype, the scam artists at work. and more idea's Do you know any truck drivers or any of the major trucking firms nearby? They can tell you the exact location of their truck and how long it has been there if it is sitting still. They can also send messages and the like via computer through the same system in both directions. Bob [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi I didn't think a GPS could be tracked as it is only a radio RECIEVER. I have heard this paranoid fantasy before however, what did I miss? Fred On Tuesday, Jul 8, 2003, at 13:08 US/Eastern, Greg and April wrote: The GPS means nothing if the vehicle spends much of it's time in unmapped territory, or off road. Because then you have miles logged, but, not spent on public streets were the funds would go. Same problem applies to odometer readings. Don't get me wrong I think that people should be charges for their fair share of street use, but, at the same time, they shouldn't be charged for what they don't use ether. Don't forget how much Big Brother would love to GPS every last person, just in case they *might* be a criminal, or become one. Greg H. - Original Message - From: csakima [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 21:39 Subject: [biofuel] Tracking a car's mileage Was: The Hydrogen hype, the scam artists at work. and more idea's Actually, I was just thinking, you could have every car required to be manufactured with a on-board, built in GPS. Then have that GPS tracked from X month to the same registration month the next year. Then have that file cross-referenced with the car's registration/ownership files. THERE ... car registration files ... with how many miles it had traveled tacked on the bottom. Along with where the car went to ... which route it took ... etc. No odometer reading necessary. Curtis Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Save up to 80% on top-quality inkjet cartridges and get your order fast! FREE shipping on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. Shop at Myinks.com! http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/v2G7ND/KfUGAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM - ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Scintilate scintilate globule vivific Oft have I pondered thy nature specific High above the ether capacious Like a mineral carbonaceous. Scintilate scintilate globule vivific Oft have I pondered thy nature specific [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. - Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Click Here! http://rd.yahoo.com/M=244522.3512152.4794593.1261774/D=egroupweb/S=1705 083269:HM/A=1595056/R=0/SIG=124bf4lrb/*http:/ashnin.com/clk/muryutaitake nattogyo?YH=3512152yhad=1595056 http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=244522.3512152.4794593.1261774/D=egrou pmail/S=:HM/A=1595056/rand=628349496 Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges at Myinks.com - Save 80%. Quality inkjet cartridges refill kits! FREE s/h on $50 orders to the US Canada. Fast shipping. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/hwZBYB/zoVGAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html
Re: [biofuel] Tracking a car's mileage Was: The Hydrogen hype, the scam artists at work. and more idea's
Hi Greg and April, Lojack does not have GPS yet that they admit too. From their web sight: Through an unequalled and highly successful relationship with police departments around the country, LoJack is the only provider of vehicle recovery systems directly connected to state crime computers. LoJack provides police departments with special tracking technology for local, county and state police squad cars and aviation units. The patented LoJack system includes a small radio-frequency transceiver that is hidden in the vehicle at the time of installation. When the vehicle theft is reported to the police, the unit is automatically activated, which causes silent radio signals to be emitted from the transceiver. The police are able to follow the signal to locate and recover the vehicle. Onstar say's: Q. How does OnStar work? A. OnStar uses existing emergency service providers, cellular telephone and satellite technologies. It operates alongside the electrical system in your vehicle and is powered by your vehicle's battery. If your vehicle's battery is damaged or disconnected, our service will not function. OnStar uses an analog cellular network maintained by separate cellular companies. This provides the broadest geographic coverage of any current wireless system in the United States and Canada. On Wednesday, Jul 9, 2003, at 00:17 US/Eastern, Greg and April wrote: Then how does Lojack Onstar work? Greg H. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 11:54 Subject: Re: [biofuel] Tracking a car's mileage Was: The Hydrogen hype, the scam artists at work. and more idea's Hi I didn't think a GPS could be tracked as it is only a radio RECIEVER. I have heard this paranoid fantasy before however, what did I miss? Fred On Tuesday, Jul 8, 2003, at 13:08 US/Eastern, Greg and April wrote: The GPS means nothing if the vehicle spends much of it's time in unmapped territory, or off road. Because then you have miles logged, but, not spent on public streets were the funds would go. Same problem applies to odometer readings. Don't get me wrong I think that people should be charges for their fair share of street use, but, at the same time, they shouldn't be charged for what they don't use ether. Don't forget how much Big Brother would love to GPS every last person, just in case they *might* be a criminal, or become one. Greg H. - Original Message - From: csakima [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 21:39 Subject: [biofuel] Tracking a car's mileage Was: The Hydrogen hype, the scam artists at work. and more idea's Actually, I was just thinking, you could have every car required to be manufactured with a on-board, built in GPS. Then have that GPS tracked from X month to the same registration month the next year. Then have that file cross-referenced with the car's registration/ownership files. THERE ... car registration files ... with how many miles it had traveled tacked on the bottom. Along with where the car went to ... which route it took ... etc. No odometer reading necessary. Curtis Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Save up to 80% on top-quality inkjet cartridges and get your order fast! FREE shipping on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. Shop at Myinks.com! http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/v2G7ND/KfUGAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM - ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Scintilate scintilate globule vivific Oft have I pondered thy nature specific High above the ether capacious Like a mineral carbonaceous. Scintilate scintilate globule vivific Oft have I pondered thy nature specific [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges at Myinks.com - Save 80%. Quality inkjet cartridges refill kits! FREE s/h on $50 orders to the US Canada. Fast shipping. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/hwZBYB/zoVGAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM - ~- Biofuel
[biofuel] Sounds familiar?
Check this out - a heads-up from Girl Mark (thanks!) (I think...): http://www.safariseeds.com/botanical/biodiesel/biodiesel%20.htm Biodiesel: From The Field To The Fuel Tank Now just where have we heard something very like that title before? And if the rest of it starts to sound familiar - you're right, it IS familiar, all too. Unbelievable. http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_aleksnew.html Foolproof biodiesel process: Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make.html Make your own biodiesel: Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_yield.html Vegetable oil yields, characteristics: Journey to Forever Etc etc etc etc The story of Castor and Pollux ends sadly... Keith Journey to Forever Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Free shipping on all inkjet cartridge refill kit orders to US Canada. Low prices up to 80% off. We have your brand: HP, Epson, Lexmark more. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5510 http://us.click.yahoo.com/y8_tZA/6oVGAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Tracking a car's mileage Was: The Hydrogen hype, the scam artists at work. and more idea's
Whether by GPS or by some other method, another issue with these systems is that they can be undercut. There was a local scandal a few years back where a dealer had a disreputable working for them who gave thieves the location of the hidden lojack parts, so that the police were unable to trace the cars, once the parts had been removed. Likewise, I think if GPS were used to track a car, I wonder if it could be undercut by a car owner wishing to false-report mileage. On Wed, 9 Jul 2003 11:48:27 -0400, you wrote: Hi Greg and April, Lojack does not have GPS yet that they admit too. From their web sight: Through an unequalled and highly successful relationship with police departments around the country, LoJack is the only provider of vehicle recovery systems directly connected to state crime computers. LoJack provides police departments with special tracking technology for local, county and state police squad cars and aviation units. The patented LoJack system includes a small radio-frequency transceiver that is hidden in the vehicle at the time of installation. When the vehicle theft is reported to the police, the unit is automatically activated, which causes silent radio signals to be emitted from the transceiver. The police are able to follow the signal to locate and recover the vehicle. Onstar say's: Q. How does OnStar work? A. OnStar uses existing emergency service providers, cellular telephone and satellite technologies. It operates alongside the electrical system in your vehicle and is powered by your vehicle's battery. If your vehicle's battery is damaged or disconnected, our service will not function. OnStar uses an analog cellular network maintained by separate cellular companies. This provides the broadest geographic coverage of any current wireless system in the United States and Canada. On Wednesday, Jul 9, 2003, at 00:17 US/Eastern, Greg and April wrote: Then how does Lojack Onstar work? Greg H. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 11:54 Subject: Re: [biofuel] Tracking a car's mileage Was: The Hydrogen hype, the scam artists at work. and more idea's Hi I didn't think a GPS could be tracked as it is only a radio RECIEVER. I have heard this paranoid fantasy before however, what did I miss? Fred On Tuesday, Jul 8, 2003, at 13:08 US/Eastern, Greg and April wrote: The GPS means nothing if the vehicle spends much of it's time in unmapped territory, or off road. Because then you have miles logged, but, not spent on public streets were the funds would go. Same problem applies to odometer readings. Don't get me wrong I think that people should be charges for their fair share of street use, but, at the same time, they shouldn't be charged for what they don't use ether. Don't forget how much Big Brother would love to GPS every last person, just in case they *might* be a criminal, or become one. Greg H. - Original Message - From: csakima [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 21:39 Subject: [biofuel] Tracking a car's mileage Was: The Hydrogen hype, the scam artists at work. and more idea's Actually, I was just thinking, you could have every car required to be manufactured with a on-board, built in GPS. Then have that GPS tracked from X month to the same registration month the next year. Then have that file cross-referenced with the car's registration/ownership files. THERE ... car registration files ... with how many miles it had traveled tacked on the bottom. Along with where the car went to ... which route it took ... etc. No odometer reading necessary. Curtis Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Save up to 80% on top-quality inkjet cartridges and get your order fast! FREE shipping on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. Shop at Myinks.com! http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/v2G7ND/KfUGAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM - ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Scintilate scintilate globule vivific Oft have I pondered thy nature specific High above the ether capacious Like a mineral carbonaceous. Scintilate scintilate globule vivific Oft have I pondered thy nature specific [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an
[biofuel] Biodegradable detergent
An Engineer I work with was telling me about a detergent or cleaning agent that he has seen that is not only biodegradable, but also converts the grease, oil, sludge, etc to be biodegradable. He says he's seen this in some truck shops. Anyone know the name of this stuff? Randy Scott Houston Tx Kucinich for President Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Natural Vitamins for Good Prostate Male Health. $28.97 http://www.challengerone.com/t/l.asp?cid=2865lp=prosta2.html http://us.click.yahoo.com/qJIe0D/89VGAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] MSR Whisperlite mini stovesRe: Petromax Lantern
the update to this is that isooropyl works OK for starting up the whisperlite (It will also start using biodiesel, just much smokier and slower before the fuel heats up and starts to 'jet'). for those who don't know, Whisperlites are a backpacker stove and the multifuel (XGK or International models) version works as follows: there is a little pressurising pump (plastic, but unaffected by biodiesel) which screws into a metal fuel bottle. You pressurise the fuel, which on it's way to the burner, passes through a loop of steel line that passes through the burner flame. Below the burner is a pad which you first soak in fuel and set on fire to preheat the steep fuel line(I've been using rubbing alcohol, normally you'd pour your gas or diesel or whatever other volatile fuel, onto the pad). The fuel is then heated enough that it will 'jet' out of the burner orifices (I think that's the accurate description) just like a more volatile white gasoline. anyway these are pretty common here among backpackers who can afford them (they're expensive by my standards) and I've found that at several street fair demonstrations of fuel making, I've been able to give away several of the liter batches that we made, to people who were going to use them in an XGK. Which was kind of cool- it makes a liter batch process produce a 'useful' amount of fuel! Before releasing them to the unsuspecting public, I label the jars 'poisonous- still contains methanol' just to make sure that the person's friends wouldn't pick the jar up to smell it or anything. I intend one of these days to write up some washing instructions (and Tailgate Titration instructions for making simple liter batches) on one sheet of paper, to give away with the samples. mark Before I had a diesel car I used an International WhisperLite campstove to try out biodiesel -- the XGK model which is multifuel, designed for kerosene or diesel as well as white gas. I still suggest these to people wanting to demonstrate biodiesel in a classroom, for instance -- the stoves cost somewhere between (US)$80 and $100 and are a perfect use for a using up a liter-size batch. I got great response from people who were familiar with the nasty smell of white gas camp stoves -- biodiesel makes the campsite just smell a bit like barbeque. I found it helped sometimes to use a tiny amount of white gas on the pad to start the flame... -- Mark, Biofuel mailing list, 15 Mar 2003 WhisperLite Internationaleª 600: http://www.msrcorp.com/prod/prod_stoves1.htm#4 -- From Make your own biodiesel - page 2: Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make2.html#otheruse FROM: [EMAIL PROTECTED] DATE: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 15:18:08 -0500 SUBJECT: Petromax Lantern Has anyone tried to BD in a Petromax Lantern? Will it even work? I know that BD doesn't wick, so it's not suitable for kerosene lanterns, but the Petromax is a pressurized lantern that will run on any flammable liquid. Thanks, -BRAH [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges at Myinks.com - Save 80%. Quality inkjet cartridges refill kits! FREE s/h on $50 orders to the US Canada. Fast shipping. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/hwZBYB/zoVGAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] MSR Whisperlite mini stovesRe: Petromax Lantern
I love my little whisperlite. Greg H. - Original Message - From: girl_mark_fire [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 14:18 Subject: [biofuel] MSR Whisperlite mini stovesRe: Petromax Lantern the update to this is that isooropyl works OK for starting up the whisperlite (It will also start using biodiesel, just much smokier and slower before the fuel heats up and starts to 'jet'). for those who don't know, Whisperlites are a backpacker stove and the multifuel (XGK or International models) version works as follows: there is a little pressurising pump (plastic, but unaffected by biodiesel) which screws into a metal fuel bottle. You pressurise the fuel, which on it's way to the burner, passes through a loop of steel line that passes through the burner flame. Below the burner is a pad which you first soak in fuel and set on fire to preheat the steep fuel line(I've been using rubbing alcohol, normally you'd pour your gas or diesel or whatever other volatile fuel, onto the pad). The fuel is then heated enough that it will 'jet' out of the burner orifices (I think that's the accurate description) just like a more volatile white gasoline. anyway these are pretty common here among backpackers who can afford them (they're expensive by my standards) and I've found that at several street fair demonstrations of fuel making, I've been able to give away several of the liter batches that we made, to people who were going to use them in an XGK. Which was kind of cool- it makes a liter batch process produce a 'useful' amount of fuel! Before releasing them to the unsuspecting public, I label the jars 'poisonous- still contains methanol' just to make sure that the person's friends wouldn't pick the jar up to smell it or anything. I intend one of these days to write up some washing instructions (and Tailgate Titration instructions for making simple liter batches) on one sheet of paper, to give away with the samples. mark Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Free shipping on all inkjet cartridge refill kit orders to US Canada. We have your brand: HP, Epson, Lexmark, Canon more. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5510 http://us.click.yahoo.com/kP..SB/49VGAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Dead car
I am doing a solar project for the next two days. I will try to get back with more car info for those interested. The manual in the glovebox has 1986 on it. I would assume this is the correct year. As for other info, I will look ASAP. If anyone is still interested, feel free to contact me directly. Caroline Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Free shipping on all inkjet cartridge refill kit orders to US Canada. We have your brand: HP, Epson, Lexmark, Canon more. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5510 http://us.click.yahoo.com/kP..SB/49VGAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Biogas question
In doing some research for my 4-H solar class, I came across a simple biogas experiment. http://www.re-energy.ca/t-i_biomassbuild-1.shtml If biogas production basically involves just mixing poop and water, and letting it sit for a while, why is there not some attachment or something made to install on top of everyday septic tanks that would collect the gas? Caroline Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Natural Vitamins for Good Prostate Male Health. $28.97 http://www.challengerone.com/t/l.asp?cid=2865lp=prosta2.html http://us.click.yahoo.com/qJIe0D/89VGAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
