RE: [Biofuel] Stardust soil

2004-10-08 Thread Peggy
Hello Balaji, What an interesting dialog. Also, rebuilding soil from our own resources is another possibility. I was thinking about Kim's previous reply and decided that if perceptive people are aware of their choices (and it is always a choice) they would plant gardens in every conceivable

[Biofuel] CANDU Reactors (was Hydro power in Scandinavia)

2004-10-08 Thread Darryl McMahon
John Hayes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hakan- While I agree that renewables and efficiency should be the main focus of our transition away from fossil fuels, I wonder if nuclear doesn't have at least a small role in the future power mix given that wind and PV are poorly suited to base

Re: [Biofuel] CANDU Reactors (was Hydro power in Scandinavia)

2004-10-08 Thread Kirk McLoren
The same design flaws that caused the Pickering accident exist at other CANDU reactors. http://www.antenna.nl/wise/436/4306.html http://archives.cbc.ca/IDCC-1-75-104-911/science_technology/candu/ some nice film clips of CANDU failures. 366.3597) WISE Amsterdam - Especially disturbing is the

Re: [Biofuel] Back to grid via WVO genset

2004-10-08 Thread Kirk McLoren
That fellow Skip who wrote More Power to You said he knew China diesel owners that had in excess of 10,000 hours without a rebuild. We know trucks go 100 miles and at an avg of 50mph that is 20.000 hours Kirk Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Robert, What is the flaw I am missing?

Re: [Biofuel] Back to grid via WVO genset

2004-10-08 Thread Steve Spence
My Detroit Diesel is rated for 40k hours between rebuilds. Steve Spence http://www.green-trust.org - Original Message - From: Kirk McLoren [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 9:26 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Back to grid via WVO genset That fellow

Re: [Biofuel] Back to grid via WVO genset

2004-10-08 Thread Legal Eagle
between overhauls they are also under extreme load most of that time, whereas the gen is not pulling near as hard which therefore lends itself to less wear and tear and therefore less need for more frequent rebuilds. One can even go so far as to say that it will do much better than that as

Re: [Biofuel] Back to grid via WVO genset

2004-10-08 Thread Lyle Estill
I've enjoyed this thread for awhile now, and have finally found the courage to post. Is it not true that the grid is so much more efficient than Rob's generator that making electricity from biodiesel is a waste of perfectly good fuel? From a conservation standpoint (strictly BTUs--forget

[Biofuel] US Blocks Phase Out of Lindane in North America

2004-10-08 Thread Keith Addison
but it's 20 years since lindane was fingered as lethal and put on the Dirty Dozen list of the world's most hazardous pesticides. You eat this stuff. What always strikes me as utterly weird is that the guys who lobby and shill for its continued use for the sake of the corporate bottom line,

Re: [Biofuel] Back to grid via WVO genset

2004-10-08 Thread Appal Energy
Kirk, Did that fellow say that every China diesel owner achieved in excess of 10,000 hours? Or was he only pointing to the exceptions? It would also be a rather rare truck that got one million miles before it had to have the top end and rings done. 300-500,000 is a more real breaking point

[Biofuel] HELP

2004-10-08 Thread chih chou
DEAR SIR HERE I AM ASKING FOR HELP. 1, WHAT IS THE KB VALUE OF BIO-DIESEL? 2, WHAT IS BIO-DIESEL SMELL LIKE? 3,IF WE MIXED THE BIO-DIESEL WITH UNLEAD PETRO CAN THIS MIXTURE BE USING IN ORDINARY PERTOL ENGINE CAR? THANKS FOR ANYONE CAN ANSWER MY QUESTION BEST REGARDS GORVANS --

Re: [Biofuel] CANDU Reactors (was Hydro power in Scandinavia)

2004-10-08 Thread Hakan Falk
Kirk and Darryl, We were involved with the design of the last two nuclear power plant in Sweden and that was still at the time when a Chernobyl (CH) and Three Mill Island (TMI) could not happen. When I have time, I have a lot to say about risk and assessment, design philosophies and

Re: [Biofuel] Back to grid via WVO genset

2004-10-08 Thread Hakan Falk
Lyle, You are wrong (forget full explanation), in partial because, http://energysavingnow.com/plugin/hvacpump.shtml Because you are looking on narrow and partial efficiency numbers with your statement. Hakan At 04:34 AM 10/8/2004, you wrote: Gang, I've enjoyed this thread for awhile

RE: [Biofuel] Stardust soil

2004-10-08 Thread Jeff Welter
If you consider the issue of whether biomass removal is bad for the soil, you must consider that when a plant performs photosynthesis, it uses water and carbon dioxide to create glucose in the presence of sunlight. Water is plentiful and renewable, and CO2 is found in the atmosphere as

[Biofuel] Sustainable Agriculture: Critical Ecological, Social Economic Issues

2004-10-08 Thread Keith Addison
Science Society Sustainability http://www.i- sis.org.ukhttp://www.i-sis.org.uk Why sustainable agriculture The debate over sustainable agriculture has gone beyond the health and environmental benefits that it could bring in place of conventional industrial agriculture. For one thing,

[Biofuel] reverse pump washing???

2004-10-08 Thread J.L.Burney
Im going to try something this weekend. instead of pumping water through the fuel during the wash Im going to pump the fuel down to the bottom of the wash vessel. I just thought instead of putting tiny amounts of water through the fuel maybe I could pump tiny amount of fuel through the water

Re: [Biofuel] France Bests U.S. In Energy Security Through Efficiency, Technology

2004-10-08 Thread Frantz DESPREZ
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/05/business/05conserve.html?oref=login The New York Times Business (...) Slow Learner on Energy-Efficiency Front By JAD MOUAWAD (...) Published: October 5, 2004 The United States, land of gas-guzzling S.U.V.'s and air-conditioned McMansions, might do

[Biofuel] Change in the Chinese Wind

2004-10-08 Thread Olivier Morf
Change in the Chinese Wind By Stephen Leahy The world's largest wind power project will begin construction this month near Beijing, bringing green energy and cleaner air to the 2008 Summer Olympics and city residents coping with some of the worst air pollution in the world. The new wind

RE: [Biofuel] Cellulosic Ethanol -was: US Minnesota Fuels Plan...MAGNETS

2004-10-08 Thread Johnston, Don
Hi all MAGNETS TO IMPROVE COMBUSTION?...and OTHER USES I have an interest in any means which might improve combustion and this includes magnets. There seems to be an abundance of contradictory anecdotal evidence. If it's of interest, here is mine:- 1. A 'Purnash Fuel King'

RE: [Biofuel] Back to grid via WVO genset

2004-10-08 Thread Johnston, Don
I suspect and believe that one could double that to 40,000 hours with kd420, 0R ep4 combustion enhancing technology. Don Johnston Environmental Coordinator , Portsmouth City Council Chair, Solent Energy and Environment Management Group Winner ; National Champion-Science and Technology, Green

RE: [Biofuel] US Blocks Phase Out of Lindane in North America

2004-10-08 Thread Peggy
Please suggest a way to control fire ants. We have not used pesticides for years and continue to put Cedarcide (chopped us cedar around our doors to keep them at bay. This rarely lasts very long and is big bulky mess for tracking into the building. Thanks for suggestions. Peggy

Re: [Biofuel] reverse pump washing???

2004-10-08 Thread Legal Eagle
oil will always float on water. The residual water would be no begger a problem than when one washes with a paint stirrer, which I have done more than afew times, and that did not cause any major drawbacks as, again, oil floats on water and if the reaction is complete should not cause any

Fire ants was RE: [Biofuel] US Blocks Phase Out of Lindane in North America

2004-10-08 Thread Kim Garth Travis
pesticides. I do make the fire ants work for me, by chasing the mounds with the garden hose. This has really improved my top soil. Kicking the top of the mound works well too, especially in winter and is a great stress relief. That said, I don't want the little monsters in my home. Fire

RE: [Biofuel] Stardust soil

2004-10-08 Thread Kim Garth Travis
If one studies the small farms library at JTF, one will find the documentation to prove that without the humus, that is plant matter returned to the soil, legumes can not fix nitrogen. It has to do with the mycrozodial [sp?] roots that do not develop without a proper humus layer in the

Re: Fire ants was RE: [Biofuel] US Blocks Phase Out of Lindane in North America

2004-10-08 Thread Donald Allwright
We don't have fire ants here in the UK, but we do have ants. I have found that one of the more effective treatments against them is plain old boiling water, applied to their nest in sufficient quantities. This also works well against certain garden weeds. It may not be a totally energy efficient

RE: [Biofuel] Cellulosic Ethanol -was: US Minnesota Fuels Plan...MAGNETS

2004-10-08 Thread sspence
Magnets do nothing for combustion or joint pain. They do, however, do wonders for lightening the load on the wallets of the scientifically clueless. = = = Original message = = = Hi all MAGNETS TO IMPROVE COMBUSTION?...and OTHER USES ~I have an interest in any means which might

Re: *****SPAM***** RE: [Biofuel] Cellulosic Ethanol -was: US Minnesota FuelsPlan...MAGNETS

2004-10-08 Thread Tomas Juknevicius
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... They do, however, do wonders for lightening the load on the wallets of the scientifically clueless. ... Hehe, as the saying goes: It is a powerfull money reducing agent :P -- Tomas Juknevicius ___ Biofuel

RE: [Biofuel] Cellulosic Ethanol -was: US Minnesota FuelsPlan...MAGNETS

2004-10-08 Thread Johnston, Don
THis is certainly one type of the responses I anticipated. What evidence do you have for your statement? I was kind enough to include mine. But you did make me LOL! Don Johnston Environmental Coordinator , Portsmouth City Council Chair, Solent Energy and Environment Management Group Winner ;

[Biofuel] Ethanol from Stalks, Straw and Other Refuse

2004-10-08 Thread MH
Biofuels -- Biofuels are liquid transportation fuels made from plant matter instead of petroleum. http://www.eere.energy.gov/state_energy/technology_content.cfm?techid=8 Technology Overview -- Biodiesel, Ethanol, etc.

[Biofuel] Ethanol and Iogen

2004-10-08 Thread MH
White lightning: Ethanol and Iogen: Patrick Foody's 20-year ethanol itch pays off. Finally Mar 18, 1998 http://www.nextcity.com/main/article/ep/98-03-18-ottawa.htm CELLULOSE ETHANOL IS READY TO GO: Iogen producing worldâs first cellulose ethanol fuel Aug 05, 2004

[Biofuel] Monsanto's royalty grab in Argentina

2004-10-08 Thread Keith Addison
TITLE: Monsanto's royalty grab in Argentina AUTHOR: GRAIN PUBLICATION: Against the grain DATE: October 2004 URL: http://www.grain.org/articles/?id=4 === Monsanto's Royalty Grab In Argentina Or: How corporations get their way with a little

Re: [Biofuel] Cellulosic Ethanol -was: US MinnesotaFuelsPlan...MAGNETS

2004-10-08 Thread Greg Harbican
The same kind of evidence that shows that you didn't read the list rules. Greg H. - Original Message - From: Johnston, Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 07:25 Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Cellulosic Ethanol -was: US MinnesotaFuelsPlan...MAGNETS THis

Re: [Biofuel] Monsanto's royalty grab in Argentina

2004-10-08 Thread sspence
Sounds more like a tragedy than a comedy = = = Original message = = = === TITLE: Monsanto's royalty grab in Argentina AUTHOR: GRAIN PUBLICATION: Against the grain DATE: October 2004 URL: http://www.grain.org/articles/?id=4

RE: [Biofuel] US Blocks Phase Out of Lindane in North America

2004-10-08 Thread Kirk McLoren
I assume they respond to bait. Wasps, for example, go crazy over fish. I assume they like all edibles but what gets their motor running? Use that for a trap. I like electricity although I suppose soapy water might do. My ex father in law observed flies go up not down so his traps worked 10

RE: [Biofuel] Cellulosic Ethanol -was: US Minnesota FuelsPlan...MAGNETS

2004-10-08 Thread sspence
I could quote the years of studies, or I could just point you back to science 101. I'm glad you anticipated this response. The first step in conquering a problem is admitting you have one. It's not a crime to be scientifically off-track, and there is help available. Magnets have a few great

[Biofuel] A POTENTIAL ENHANCER FOR BIOFUELS........KD420 COMBUSTION IMPROVER

2004-10-08 Thread Johnston, Don
Hi all biofuelers. I previously posted info' on the above technology which I have been assessing for 8 years in cars, generators and boilers with fossil fuels. The manufacturer, Andrew Brines @ polysorb in Northern Ireland, has responded to me that this technology works with

[Biofuel] Magnets -was: Cellulosic Ethanol -was: US Minnesota Fuels Plan... MAGNETS

2004-10-08 Thread MH
Hi Don, I tried some magnets on the fuel lines on a couple of my vehicles years ago. My experience, no noticeable difference in fuel economy. Some reference material below that might be of interest. Gas Saving and Emission Reduction Devices Evaluation [1970-1999] This page

RE: [Biofuel] Cellulosic Ethanol -was: US MinnesotaFuelsPlan...MAGNETS

2004-10-08 Thread Johnston, Don
Yeh, many thanks for this. I do not mean you to waste your time trawling for evidence to convince me. In fact, I'm already convincing myself by my assessments re fuels anyway, but I guess the real point is that I should improve my skill at researching existing scientific and technical

RE: [Biofuel] Cellulosic Ethanol -was: US MinnesotaFuelsPlan...MAGNETS

2004-10-08 Thread Johnston, Don
Right on! Greg. You did not make me LOL. Wait til you read my next one. I wonder if you will get involved? Don Johnston Environmental Coordinator , Portsmouth City Council Chair, Solent Energy and Environment Management Group Winner ; National Champion-Science and Technology,

RE: [Biofuel] Back to grid via WVO genset

2004-10-08 Thread Steve Spence
I suspect that expecting a fuel additive to double the life of an engine is not such a good idea. Steve Spence IT Specialist [EMAIL PROTECTED] (315) 393-3573 x.242 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Johnston, Don Sent: Friday, October 08,

Wind energy gets updraft as Bush OKs tax credit, was RE: [Biofuel] Change in the Chinese Wind

2004-10-08 Thread mclong64
While we are talking about big wind farms: From Oct. 5th: http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/Archives?p_action=docp_docid=1059069164 1B155Ep_docnum=1p_theme=gannetts_site=desmoinesregisterp_product=DMRB Wind energy gets updraft as Bush OKs tax credit Vinluan Frank Staff A MidAmerican Energy

RE: [Biofuel] HELP

2004-10-08 Thread Steve Spence
The KB (solvent strength) of biodiesel is similar to #2 diesel. Biodiesel smells like French fries, sorta. No, you can't use Biodiesel in a petrol car (stock answer, exceptions rule). Steve Spence www.green-trust.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL

RE: [Biofuel] Cellulosic Ethanol -was: US MinnesotaFuelsPlan...MAGNETS

2004-10-08 Thread sspence
You have been evaluating it since 1999, why isn't it on the market yet. The only sources of info I can find is minutes of political meetings in your government (one of your parlement folks trying to get funding for his constiuent) and your own promo pieces. Hey there is always room for another

Re: [Biofuel] A POTENTIAL ENHANCER FOR BIOFUELS........KD420 COMBUSTION IMPROVER

2004-10-08 Thread sspence
biofuels already exceed some of the claims of this mystery oil, and are o2 containing fuels to begin with. I don't see the benefit this adds to biofuels. They are already oxygenated. = = = Original message = = = Hi all biofuelers. I previously posted info' on the above technology which I

RE: [Biofuel] US Blocks Phase Out of Lindane in North America

2004-10-08 Thread Peggy
Thank you Kim and Kirk, The cedarcide is a product purchased from Lowes and it may be true cedar and not the juniper that we call cedar in Texas. The produce comes in several different formats: a shaving, a grind (closer to coffee grind size) and a liquid. I have mixed the liquid with orange

RE: [Biofuel] Magnets -was: Cellulosic Ethanol -was: US Minnesota Fuels Plan... MAGNETS

2004-10-08 Thread Johnston, Don
Thank you very much, very very helpful. Don Johnston Environmental Coordinator , Portsmouth City Council Chair, Solent Energy and Environment Management Group Winner ; National Champion-Science and Technology, Green Apple Awards 2002 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel: 023

RE: [Biofuel] Back to grid via WVO genset

2004-10-08 Thread Johnston, Don
Steve, why not ? Especially if it also reduces engine wear by preventing the formation of varnish, gum,soot and carbon deposits? Don Johnston Environmental Coordinator , Portsmouth City Council Chair, Solent Energy and Environment Management Group Winner ; National Champion-Science and

Re: [Biofuel] Cellulosic Ethanol -was: US MinnesotaFuelsPlan...MAGNETS

2004-10-08 Thread Greg Harbican
Still haven't read the list rules have you. Greg H. - Original Message - From: Johnston, Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 09:18 Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Cellulosic Ethanol -was: US MinnesotaFuelsPlan...MAGNETS Right on! Greg. You did not make

Re: [Biofuel] A POTENTIAL ENHANCER FOR BIOFUELS........KD420 COMBUSTIONIMPROVER

2004-10-08 Thread Greg Harbican
Sounds just like a mix of kerosene and Biodiesel, or plain BioDiesel. Read the list rules again. Greg H. - Original Message - From: Johnston, Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 08:48 Subject: [Biofuel] A POTENTIAL ENHANCER

Re: [Biofuel] Cellulosic Ethanol -was: US MinnesotaFuelsPlan...MAGNETS

2004-10-08 Thread Greg Harbican
It's not you that wants the evidence, it's the list.Here you provide the evidence, we don't just take it on your say so. When are you going to read the list rules? Greg H. - Original Message - From: Johnston, Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 08,

[Biofuel] RE: Fire ants wasZXZX

2004-10-08 Thread Buck Williams
, 3 to 4 applications of urine from a male that eats meat will kill the hill completely. The early morning variety of urine is the most effective. Bright Blessings, Kim hi kimm, i imagine that paraticlular firee ant warfare is a praetty good stress relivever alsoandd if ithe neighb

RE: Fire ants was RE: [Biofuel] US Blocks Phase Out of Lindane inNorth America

2004-10-08 Thread Peggy
Thank you Don Peggy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Donald Allwright Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 7:08 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Fire ants was RE: [Biofuel] US Blocks Phase Out of Lindane inNorth America We don't have fire

Re: [Biofuel] Back to grid via WVO genset

2004-10-08 Thread Appal Energy
Lyle, Is it not true that the grid is so much more efficient than Rob's generator that making electricity from biodiesel is a waste of perfectly good fuel? I don't know about that. Do you think that an approximate 65% loss in energy from fuel source to your duplex outlet is very efficient?

RE: [Biofuel] RE: Fire ants wasZXZX

2004-10-08 Thread Mel Riser
this and along with some boiling water poured into a hole dug in the top and made into a bowl. finishes them off. otherwise the survivors wander off and make a new queen. if enough of them regroup, they will form another colony. mel -Original Message- From: Buck

Re: [Biofuel] RE: Fire ants wasZXZX

2004-10-08 Thread Kim Garth Travis
am doing that closely and would have to telephone. In the city, I assume that a specimen jar for collections would be used. But yes, we do have to fight a war with the fire ants, they will kill a human if you give them the chance. Bright Blessings, Kim At 12:07 PM 10/8/2004, you wrote:

Re: [Biofuel] RE: Fire ants wasZXZX

2004-10-08 Thread Energy Recovery
No fire ants in Oregon but we do have sugar ants. We use equal parts borax, powdered sugar and yeast. Non-toxic to kids and pets. The yeast goes back to the queen and kapow she blows up and the ants start to disappear. Mike C [EMAIL PROTECTED] Buck Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: , 3

RE: [Biofuel] Back to grid via WVO genset

2004-10-08 Thread sspence
Because I'm already removing such deposits by using a oxygenated solvent for fuel. See the subject line, WVO, not diesel. Eliminating such items still won't double engine life, as those deposits do not reduce engine life by 50% .. = = = Original message = = = Steve, why not ? Especially

Re: [Biofuel] Back to grid via WVO genset

2004-10-08 Thread Robert Del Bueno
The idea is for reclaimed waste vegetable oils. I am curious on if anyone has given thought to the emissions per kWh of such a setup versus coal fired plant (...who in our area are successful in avoiding EPA New Source Review regulations, and continue to spew). Also considering the addition

RE: [Biofuel] RE: Fire ants wasZXZX

2004-10-08 Thread Tim Ferguson
Plenty of Fire Ants in Georgia. I use tablespoon of borax, tablespoon of honey, and a tablespoon of borax. It's a good bait and the workers take it back to the queen and then no more ants. Tim, -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Energy

Re: [Biofuel] Solar.....

2004-10-08 Thread joão
Hi Jonathan, Can you tell me where you have those price? Best Regards João Martins www.martinsportscar.com www.luzsolar.pt --- Jonathan Dunlap [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good day all, Anyone have info on Solar panels? I need 1000 to 5000 units at 120 or 80 Watts. Need this at wholesale.

Re: [Biofuel] RE: Fire ants wasZXZX

2004-10-08 Thread Kim Garth Travis
suggestion. Cinnamon doesn't hurt the children, pets or crickets. Bright Blessings, Kim At 01:03 PM 10/8/2004, you wrote: No fire ants in Oregon but we do have sugar ants. We use equal parts borax, powdered sugar and yeast. Non-toxic to kids and pets. The yeast goes back to the queen and

RE: [Biofuel] RE: Fire ants wasZXZX

2004-10-08 Thread Tim Ferguson
Sorry for the typo, tablespoon of borax, tablespoon of honey, and tablespoon of peanut butter. Tim -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Tim Ferguson Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 3:35 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Biofuel] RE: Fire

Re: [Biofuel] RE: Fire ants wasZXZX

2004-10-08 Thread Kim Garth Travis
ants. Only instant grits kill, no ordinary grits. Instant grits are super dehydrated and they suck the water out of the insects body. We had this discussion on another list and if you do not live where instant grits are a known food, any super dehydrated crumbly kind of food stuff will

Re: [Biofuel] RE: Fire ants wasZXZX

2004-10-08 Thread Legal Eagle
USA. If I am not mistaken they are from the hearts of the corn as opposed to wheat hearts called cream of wheat in many places. The instant variety is for people who do not want to actually cook them :) something like oatmeal (porridge). They are traditionally served with butter and pepper

RE: [Biofuel] RE: Fire ants wasZXZX

2004-10-08 Thread Kim Garth Travis
Is this recipe suppose to have 3 ingrediants or is it 2 tablespoon of borax and 1 of honey? Bright Blessings, Kim At 02:34 PM 10/8/2004, you wrote: Plenty of Fire Ants in Georgia. I use tablespoon of borax, tablespoon of honey, and a tablespoon of borax. It's a good bait and the workers take

Re: [Biofuel] Back to grid via WVO genset

2004-10-08 Thread sspence
You should consider biodiesel for startup and shutdown, instead of diesel. Also considering the addition of a pre-combustion fuel catalyst, and additional after treament (because of dedicated veg use). unnecessary with bio-d startup/shutdown. See the VeggieGen project, as it's exactly what

RE: [Biofuel] HELP

2004-10-08 Thread Gregg Davidson
Hi Steve, While you can't use 100% Biodiesel in a gasoline engine, you can mix it up to a maximum of 15% with the gas. It works great in lawn mower / lawn tractor engines as well. Same maximum percentage. Sincerely Gregg Davidson Steve Spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The KB (solvent