Bob, thank you for your honesty, you are not alone, this is exactly the
reaction that I have had for 7 years since I have become committed to this
technology.Almost everyone just does not 'buy it'!
I did not believe it either when I was told so why should I expect
others to believe?
Last summer the price of coconut biodiesel in the Philippines was
about 55 Pesos(approx US$1) per liter.
Ramon
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csc-propulsion wrote:
Hi there,
The cost of biofuel ( be it from coconut oil, palm oil, rapeseed, soybean,
Yeh,, I always wondered about this.
Scrapping things is truly wasteful, rather than repairing them coz we lose the
'embodied energy'.
Some recent research here claims that trains use so much energy that even if at
rush hour if all the passengers had to use a car that it would not be more than
I'm gonna miss you guys. I did LOL with this one.
Don Johnston
Environmental Coordinator , Portsmouth City Council
Chair, Solent Energy and Environment Management Group
Winner ; National Champion-Science and Technology, Green Apple Awards 2002
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run into some trouble finding affordable sources for bulk isopropyl alcohol
of 99% purity. Can anyone share some sources with me. I'm also researching
opening a BD fueling station, or delivery service. I'm conducting this
research for my Undergrad Thesis and hope to begin to supply BD in the
What it sounds more like is tht you have an inkling of an itching to pick
a
bone (stir up a debate?) with someone.
Hmm. Sorry if I came across in that manner. That was not my intention at
all. I am not the least bit interested in that sort of thing. Who has time
for it? I was merely
Thanks Todd. You've removed about one degree of obfuscation.
What obfuscation? I resent that. Obfuscation indeed.
My apologies. Perhaps that was too strong a word.
It was clear enough. What wasn't clear?
For the most part, it wasn't clear to me what exactly was being referred to.
I find the following policy of VW America hard to fathom. Really outrageous!
Sorry if I'm double posting this, but I can't seem to access your list
anymore, so don't know whats going on.
Tom Leue
Original Message
Subject: RE: Product Information 9/30 mh
Date: Thu, 30 Sep
Hello Steve,
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From: Steve Spence [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 7:26 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Short-range hydrogen
Walt isn't being upfront about the system costs of a renewable system that
can generate 30 miles per day of
Good one!
Jonathan
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Hydrogen or Biofuels?
September / October 2004
By Amory Lovins and David Morris
Utne magazine
http://www.utne.com/cgi-bin/udt/im.display.printable?client.id=utnestory.id=11334
Two experts go head-to-head on the future of energy
In our
Morris is right, Lovins has soot in his eyes.
Steve Spence
http://www.green-trust.org
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 7:09 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] [Biofuels] Hydrogen or Biofuels?
Good one!
Could you please indicate me the pertinent international code number which
is applied by Customs in Germany and USA to a fuel as such as Biodiesel (B
100; B 85; .B 5; etc). I assume that regular Diesel 100% also have an
international code number, any one knows code numbers for those
Mel: It would not be worth Robs effort to run his genset only 3-4 hours per
day. You're right he would only offset during those few hours under a net
metering system. As for your dilema with your farm equipment running
24/7/365, here's the way I handled this problem on my Fathers fish farm with
My two cents:
From a practical point of view, I would have to agree
wiht Mr. David Morris - that Hybrid Cars with
traditional alternative fuel are the wave of the
future. The market will dictate the pace and if you
look at what Toyota is doing with their hybrid cars
then one does not have to
Dear Tom,
I understand your points, however after twenty years
in both energy and automobiles, I understand the
unforunate position of Volkswagen. It is my
expeirence that every bio feedstock has different
viscosity, temperature, waxing, and other variables;
and also different standards which
Dear David,
I can assist you if you would like. Can you tell me
your quantities? 10,000 gallons? Do you have acess to
a rail spur? just kidding. I know you are looking at
home brew. I have some contacts at the big Fortune
500 (Dow, Dupont, others) and can contact them if
needed. There are
Tim -
Mr. Ruti has some excellent points and advice,
especially for points of view for small families.
Other sites: The US EPA AgStar program has many
resources that are public domain. Take a look at their
website http://www.epa.gov/agstar/
I had the opporutunity to work with this program to
Thanks Todd. You've removed about one degree of obfuscation.
What obfuscation? I resent that. Obfuscation indeed.
My apologies. Perhaps that was too strong a word.
It was clear enough. What wasn't clear?
For the most part, it wasn't clear to me what exactly was being referred to.
Not really. They don't like soy biodiesel, and they have their
reasons. It's been discussed here before. In fact I discussed it with
you - oxidation and polymerisation, remember?
http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/37153/
The Euro standard specifies an Iodine No. of less than 120. See:
homebrewing. I've run into some trouble finding affordable sources
for bulk isopropyl alcohol of 99% purity. Can anyone share some
sources with me. I'm also researching opening a BD fueling station,
or delivery service. I'm conducting this research for my Undergrad
Thesis and hope to begin
Source: Al Jazeera
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/0F250A9C-4A55-4E10-8FAC-
49830C4B7047.htm
Foreign policy experts slam US on Iraq
The Iraq war is the most misguided since Vietnam,
benefits terrorists
and is justified by false claims, more than 650
foreign-policy experts
have
Hi
OK my self and my wife own a small holding in Somerset, we are
trying to reduce our costs of living and reduce our impact on the
enviornment at the same time, so making use of waste oil to run the
Aga seems like a good idea if it can be done. We currently run our
central heating on pallet
Dear Gene:
Congratulations for your success and please keep us posted on your further
experiments and developments. In exchange
we will throw in our two cents from time to time.
With warmest regards,
Luis R. Calzadilla
Fundacion Sugar Cane Research Organization
Cali, colombia
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You do realize that isopropyl is only used for titration, so you don't need
bulk. What you need in bulk is methanol, to the tune of 10 gallons per 100
gallons of veggie oil, or thereabouts.
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I'm Living in Virginia in the US and have recently begun homebrewing. I've
how many gallons of ethanol would you need for 100 gallons of veggie?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:You do realize that isopropyl is only used for
titration, so you don't need bulk. What you need in bulk is methanol, to the
tune of 10 gallons per 100 gallons of veggie oil, or thereabouts.
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Russian Parliament to Ratify Kyoto Oct. 22
14 Oct 2004 14:36 MSK (GMT +3), Updated: 14:36 MSK
MosNews
http://www.mosnews.com/money/2004/10/14/kyotodate.shtml
A key committee of the Russian State Duma recommended Thursday
that it ratify the Kyoto Protocol on climate change on Oct. 22.
Muckraker: Shaken, not yet stirred
Kyoto will shake things up in the U.S.,
whether Americans like it or not
Oct 13, 2004
http://www.workingforchange.com/article.cfm?itemid=17861
Last Thursday, when the Russian cabinet moved to ratify the
Kyoto Protocol, international leaders called it
Not to start a fight or anything other than to add my own $0.02 ( that is US
in fact, LOL ), but I see biofuels as a storage / transport medium for
hydrogen.
They are easier to make, transport ( using existing technology ), and other
wise handle.
A few examples:
Methanol CH3OH 4 Hydrogen for
The part I am exercised about is VW of America saying that biodiesel voids
warranty-across the board. No other known manufacturer does this, they set
standards for the fuel and expect any fuel to meet these. If they don't meet
these,
you may be on your own, but to void the warranty? What if
Guardian Unlimited | Special reports |
Exxon admits greenhouse gas increase
Terry Macalister
Thursday October 7, 2004
The Guardian
ExxonMobil, the world's biggest oil company, has been increasing its
greenhouse gas emissions after supporting George Bush's refusal to
sign the Kyoto treaty.
Published on Tuesday, October 12, 2004 by the Agence France Presse
Nobel Winner: US Voters Hold Key to Ending Iraq War, Curbing Global Warming
NAIROBI - American voters hold the key to ending the war in Iraq and
can help revive a UN treaty on global warming which was rejected by
President
The ratio's are similar (see the recipe's at the various sites, like jtf), but
ethanol is extremely tricky, due to it's need to be anhydrous, and it's want to
not be.
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how many gallons of ethanol would you need for 100 gallons of veggie?
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