Re[2]: FW: [Biofuel] about God

2004-11-10 Thread Gustl Steiner-Zehender
Hallo , Wednesday, 10 November, 2004, 16:00:54, you wrote: ...snip... MR I am looking for the chapter that has the paragraphs on the best MR religion is one you make up for yourself. MR Mel ...snip... MR You will not find a church of urantia. Only study groups MR And there are no

[Biofuel] filtering WVO

2004-11-10 Thread Andreas W Ohnsorge
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[Biofuel] Questions with using biodiesel

2004-11-10 Thread Theo Chadzichristos
HI all, Iâve been looking for a post that people actually respond to, and it looks like I have finally found a good one. I have made blender sized batched of biodiesel successfully but I want to move to a larger scale. I have a 1976 Mercedes Benz 300d which I want to run on biodiesel. I

[Biofuel] biodiesel senior thesis questions and ideas...aka help

2004-11-10 Thread jcroonen
my name is james croonenberghs-i'm a senior at guilford college in greensboro, nc who's doing his senior thesis for physics on biodiesel. for my thesis, i'm going to try to find a way to lower the NOx emissions most likely through additives. i have $400 left in my budget with which i need

[Biofuel] washing water

2004-11-10 Thread tommy newman
I am very much interested of the effects if any the water used for washing the biodiesl has on plants and if it is put into rivers the effects, or what it contains. I have been told it contains salts i.e. Calcium and sodium /potassium but that has not been confirmed.

RE: [Biofuel] He talks to God - warning - more Christian content.

2004-11-10 Thread Mel Riser
Very logical and indeed the Old Testament is ahemm... Outdated. Including the US carte blanche support of Israel and the Jesus Jihadist, evangelical support of Israel... so Jesus can come back crowd. The Urantia book takes a long hard look at ALL religions and recognizes the truths in them

Re: [Biofuel] He talks to God - warning - more Christian content.

2004-11-10 Thread Friedrich Friesinger
Hey Peter, i am strukt a bit by you logic there is a clear chain of command eatablished by God. The order is God Jesus Man Woman Child Criminal Satan. So,Man is before Woman,than Child and so forth I think God made a mistake on this one, if Woman would be before Man i think we

Re[2]: [Biofuel] He talks to God - warning - more Christian content.

2004-11-10 Thread Gustl Steiner-Zehender
Hallo Mel, Thre are no topic cops here and nothing is disallowed from rational and reasonable discussion. Happy Happy, Gustl Tuesday, 09 November, 2004, 20:04:36, you wrote: ...various snips here and there... MR This board is about BioDiesel and I believe we have probably MRstepped

Re: [Biofuel] Bush stands by rejection of limits on gases blamed for global warming

2004-11-10 Thread Appal Energy
Bush is perfectly willing to sacrice tens of thousands of civilian lives, thousands of military lives, leave untolds tens of thousand permanently maimed and disabled, and tens of millions mentally disfigured for the rest of their human duration - all all under the false pretense of national

[Biofuel] about God

2004-11-10 Thread Gabriel Proulx
I just want to express my point of view about God: it's total bullshit! It's told that God can create and do anything, as he wish. Following the logic of this statement, he could create a rock which is impossible to lift even for him because he can do anything he wants. But if he can't

[Biofuel] CA Ontario Ethanol

2004-11-10 Thread MH
Gas promise watered down Oil companies won't be forced to fulfil 5% ethanol pledge McGuinty Liberals to unveil plan in which firms can buy credits RICHARD BRENNAN AND PETER CALAMAI STAFF REPORTERS Nov 8, 2004 http://www.thestar.com Oil companies may not be forced to have 5 per cent

[Biofuel] Rapid Arctic Warming

2004-11-10 Thread MH
Rapid Arctic Warming Brings Calls for Bush to Reassess Policy Jim Lobe OneWorld US Nov. 9, 2004 http://us.oneworld.net/article/view/97534/1/ WASHINGTON, D.C., Nov 9 (OneWorld) ö Mondayâs release of a major new report by an international team of more than 300 scientists on the

RE: [Biofuel] Diesel Motorcycle

2004-11-10 Thread Raunak Singh Ahluwalia
Well, keith said its out of production, so I went to the manufacturers website (www.royalenfield.com ) and it does seem to have disappeared off the website...but I guess you could still put in an enquiry...for if , as keith says, its available in germany, then they could still be making it for

Re: [Biofuel] Methanol Safety of Dispensing from 55 Gal. Drums to carboy safely

2004-11-10 Thread aleksander . kac
Drum in upright position: remove the small cap and fit a ball valve (preferably teflon inner husing) with a hose connector on the other side into the threads, sealing with teflon tape. Lay the drum flat on a stand (make of wood, or if enough skilled weld of steel tubes). Takes two quite

RE: [Biofuel] New thread - the Iron Law of Democracy

2004-11-10 Thread Hakan Falk
Vernon, Sounds like a good idea and the same for the Democrats also, because it is questionable if US will be able to afford the next election. Hakan At 03:01 AM 11/10/2004, you wrote: Just thought I'd run this up the flagpole and see who salutes... Mississippi Press Sunday, November 07,

Re: [Biofuel] Methanol Safety of Dispensing from 55 Gal. Drums to carboy safely

2004-11-10 Thread Jonathan Schearer
Kevin try this link. http://www.usplastic.com/catalog/category.asp?catalog%5Fname=usplasticcategory%5Fname=24990Page=1. They have some helpful products. Jonathan Schearer. Kevin Shea [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:After 11 months of research of biodiesel and pondering methanol safety, I have not

RE: [Biofuel] New thread - the Iron Law of Democracy

2004-11-10 Thread btmd
So, once again, anyone who does not support Bush is a terrorist. Or, at least, not a loyal American. What bullshit! Michael Moore is the GREATEST PATRIOT this country has seen in decades. It's just too bad, for the country, that over 50% of the people here have their heads way too far up

Re: [Biofuel] He talks to God - warning - more Christian content.

2004-11-10 Thread btmd
Hey Peter, i am strukt a bit by you logic there is a clear chain of command eatablished by God. The order is God Jesus Man Woman Child Criminal Satan. So,Man is before Woman,than Child and so forth I think God made a mistake on this one, if Woman would be before Man i think

Re[2]: [Biofuel] Bush stands by rejection of limits on gases blamed for global warming

2004-11-10 Thread Gustl Steiner-Zehender
Hallo Todd, You have to know that this bit, 'but he's not willing to sacrifice ...a single American job', is a lie he threw in there to justify the greed of corporate America. As long as the monied class and their running mates keep their profit margin going up and up they don't care if

Re: [Biofuel] He talks to God - warning - more Christian content.

2004-11-10 Thread Hakan Falk
Brian, Yes you are right, notj of them was far superior as leaders than Bush, even as commanders in military situations. Hakan At 01:36 PM 11/10/2004, you wrote: Hey Peter, i am strukt a bit by you logic there is a clear chain of command eatablished by God. The order is God Jesus

Re[2]: [Biofuel] Bush stands by rejection of limits on gases blamed for global warming

2004-11-10 Thread Hakan Falk
Bush deserves his place in the axis of evil he is killing his own people. Hakan At 01:41 PM 11/10/2004, you wrote: Hallo Todd, You have to know that this bit, 'but he's not willing to sacrifice ...a single American job', is a lie he threw in there to justify the greed of corporate

Re: [Biofuel] Bush stands by rejection of limits on gases blamed for global warming

2004-11-10 Thread Keith Addison
Bush is perfectly willing to sacrice tens of thousands of civilian lives, thousands of military lives, leave untolds tens of thousand permanently maimed and disabled, and tens of millions mentally disfigured for the rest of their human duration - all all under the false pretense of

Re: [Biofuel] New thread - the Iron Law of Democracy

2004-11-10 Thread Keith Addison
The Iron Law of democracy is that a people get the government they deserve. My hope was a democratic election, regardless of outcome. Now it appears the American people didn't even get that. Will they ever waken up? Will anyone? Except those that are. Which somehow continues below what I

Re: [Biofuel] New thread - the Iron Law of Democracy

2004-11-10 Thread Keith Addison
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 18:18:29 EST Subject: [UnConcede: Kerry's law firm calls for evidence of voter fraud! Everyone! Please forward to all who have specifics on vote fraud. The send-to address below is John Kerry's brother at his law firm. Kerry will unconcede if there

Re: [Biofuel] Rooftop Wind Turbines Scotland

2004-11-10 Thread Keith Addison
Yes, lost a kidney to cancer and had one of those near death experiences as well. Much of what I used to see in the world as serious I now see as adolescent and self indulgent. Wish I could put it into words like Keith does. :-) I think you just did Kirk. In fact I've quite often quoted a

RE: [Biofuel] New thread - the Iron Law of Democracy

2004-11-10 Thread Dan Volker
I read the long William clark article that Keith Addison posted, and then several of the reference links. I'd recommend evryone do the same...The insight is amazing, and it appears to answer how Americann political behaviors which before seemed absurd, are easily predicted within this framework.

[Biofuel] Knowledge vs faith

2004-11-10 Thread Kim Garth Travis
All this discussion of religion seems rather pointless, to me. If we are talking about knowledge, there is a basic foundation to judge what is being said. As soon as we get into the realm of faith and belief, there are no standards to judge by as nothing can be proved. This does not mean

RE: [Biofuel] about God

2004-11-10 Thread Tim Ferguson
Gabriel, You are obviously a profound thinker so I will pose a troubling question to you. Which cam first? The Chicken..or the Egg? Best wishes, Tim -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Gabriel Proulx Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 9:54 PM

RE: [Biofuel] New thread - the Iron Law of Democracy

2004-11-10 Thread Tim Ferguson
Please do. And don't forget to pay your US taxes as well. ;) Best wishes, Tim -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Raunak Singh Ahluwalia Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 3:46 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Biofuel] New thread - the

Re: [Biofuel] about God

2004-11-10 Thread Gustl Steiner-Zehender
Hallo Gabriel, The problem with your proposition is that in logic one has to define and agree upon terms and definitions and since God is a concept beyond definition there can be no logical discussion about God. We can discuss different beliefs we hold or don't hold about God or we

Re: [Biofuel] Bush stands by rejection of limits on gases blamedfor global warming

2004-11-10 Thread Greg Harbican
I can't blame the lost of my job, on Bush. I know of many others that could / would say the same thing - most of them have new jobs, since G Bush entered office.I expect to be employed soon, even if it is part time, but, working part time is of my own choosing.I have also started a small

RE: [Biofuel] Knowledge vs faith

2004-11-10 Thread Mel Riser
The Urantia book says the BEST religion is one we CREATE for ourselves. Religion is the study and worship of a unknown creator. Whether that is the Native Americans spirit that moves in all things or the GOD of Moses, or the god of Jesus, the Allah of Muhammad, or RA for that matter. We all

RE: [Biofuel] about God

2004-11-10 Thread Mel Riser
So this excrement you speak of? Can we make fuel or fertilizer from it? Is it a fertilizer of great strength? Does it Excrete often or once every millennia or so? How might we transport this excrement? mel -Original Message- From: Gabriel Proulx [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent:

RE: [Biofuel] about God

2004-11-10 Thread Jonathan Dunlap
Very well said... Jonathan Tim Ferguson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gabriel, You are obviously a profound thinker so I will pose a troubling question to you. Which cam first? The Chicken..or the Egg? Best wishes, Tim -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL

RE: [Biofuel] biodiesel senior thesis questions and ideas...aka help

2004-11-10 Thread Gentoo Penguin
A GC [Gas Chromatograph with a TCD (Thermal Conductivity Detector) and cryogenic-cooling capacity] would be a great way to test for various gas emissions simultaneously but with only $400 in your budget there are several questions outstanding. If you want to go the GC route: Does Guilford

Re[2]: [Biofuel] New thread - the Iron Law of Democracy

2004-11-10 Thread Gustl Steiner-Zehender
Hallo Dan, Wednesday, 10 November, 2004, 09:02:08, you wrote: DV I read the long William clark article that Keith Addison posted, and then DV several of the reference links. I'd recommend evryone do the same...The DV insight is amazing, and it appears to answer how Americann political DV

[Biofuel] The Other People

2004-11-10 Thread Kim Garth Travis
who wanted to read it. Bright Blessings, Kim We Are the Other People by Oberon Zell Ding-dong! goes the doorbell. Is it Avon calling? Or perhaps Ed McMahon with my three million dollars? No, it's Yahweh's Witlesses again, just wanting to have a nice little chat about the Bible...:: Boy,

RE: [Biofuel] New thread - the Iron Law of Democracy

2004-11-10 Thread Keith Addison
as well. ;) The whole world is already doing that. Keith Best wishes, Tim -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Raunak Singh Ahluwalia Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 3:46 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Biofuel] New thread - the

Re: [Biofuel] Bush stands by rejection of limits on gases blamedfor global warming

2004-11-10 Thread Keith Addison
/ would say the same thing - most of them have new jobs, since G Bush entered office.I expect to be employed soon, even if it is part time, but, working part time is of my own choosing.I have also started a small home based business. I for one lost my job, due to actions, started

[Biofuel] Polluters to Face Even Less Resistance from EPA in Second Bush Term

2004-11-10 Thread Keith Addison
Natural Resources Defense Council Polluters to Face Even Less Resistance from EPA in Second Bush Term; Enforcement Will Shift to States, Citizen Lawsuits, Says NRDC and EIP,2004 EPA Penalties Were Lowest in 15 Years; Groups Expect Downward Trend to Continue WASHINGTON -- November 9 -- The

Re: [Biofuel] about God

2004-11-10 Thread Greg Harbican
I have to disagree. We can have faith in God, but, we have to trust that men did what god wanted them to do - that is to say, not change what god put forth. While it may seam like I'm saying much of what you are, I see it as something different, as faith and trust while they may have similar

RE: [Biofuel] about God

2004-11-10 Thread Tim Ferguson
Thanks Keith, I can now rest easy :) ! Best wishes, Tim -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Keith Addison Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 10:57 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Biofuel] about God Um... the rooster? Keith Very

Re[2]: [Biofuel] Knowledge vs faith

2004-11-10 Thread Gustl Steiner-Zehender
Hallo Mel, Wednesday, 10 November, 2004, 09:40:08, you wrote: MR The Urantia book says the BEST religion is one we CREATE for ourselves. Just out of curiosity, could you give me the paper, page and line(s) where that is said? Thank you kindly. Happy Happy, Gustl -- Je mehr wir haben,

Re: [Biofuel] about God

2004-11-10 Thread DHAJOGLO
I have faith that a higher being exists but its not based in any writen work; just my gut feeling. I have to disagree. and you are welcome to disagree= ;) This is why we should 'study the scriptures, and pray about what they are about, and what they mean ', and not just put blind trust in

[Biofuel] Question about Hornet wind turbine

2004-11-10 Thread Benjamin Bryant
In Biofuel Digest, Vol 3, Issue 25 Hakan had mentioned something about quality concerns with the Hornet. I would like to know a little more about this. Also, what is the awea wind list and how does one gain access to it? Thanks in advance from just another newbie.

Re: [Biofuel] Bush stands by rejection of limits on gases blamedfor global warming

2004-11-10 Thread Michael Redler
...some notes. Reality Check: The budget deficit of $422 billion projected for fiscal 2004 is the largest in history and a 12.8 percent increase from fiscal 2003. The ploy of measuring the deficit as a percentage of GDP evades the larger truth that there has been virtually no effort to control

Re: [Biofuel] biodiesel senior thesis questions and ideas...aka help

2004-11-10 Thread Randall
James, You might also call any of the local NC Inspections stations (also see if your college has one in the motorpool) and see if they can either loan or let you tow the car in and hook the tailpipe sniffer up. Doubt they will be checking for methane, but the rest are part of the standard

Re: [Biofuel] about God

2004-11-10 Thread Greg Harbican
You put words into my mouth. I did not say that I have faith that they indeed are telling true stories . Again, faith and trust are different things, even though they have been used by some people interchangeably. Faith is belief in that which is not provable, by means available. Trust is

Re: [Biofuel] Bush stands by rejection of limits on gases blamedforglobal warming

2004-11-10 Thread Greg Harbican
I would say more than one case.Over 75% of the work force, of that company, ended up like me - out of work. I know that the company is now back up to about 40% of it's original size, and has been slowly growing for the last 2 years, but they have had to diversify in the process. Greg H.

FW: [Biofuel] about God

2004-11-10 Thread Ware, John
Wouldn't it be the creature the chicken evolved from? john -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tim Ferguson Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 9:36 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Biofuel] about God Thanks Keith, I can now rest

[Biofuel] Beyond GMO ... the REAL answer to healthy, disease resistant crops

2004-11-10 Thread Keith Addison
Beyond GMO ... the REAL answer to healthy, disease resistant crops Down in Mexico, two plant scientists, despite lack of funding and support, are staging a true green revolution. By using a strategy called horizontal resistance to breed bean plants with broad genetic resistance to diseases

Re: FW: [Biofuel] about God

2004-11-10 Thread Keith Addison
john But which evolved from it first, the chicken, the egg or the rooster? And why, John, are you complicating matters by bringing all this suspect evolutionary theory into a perfectly good religious discussion? LOL! Anyway, they're dinosaurs, aren't they? Sure look like dinosaurs to

Re: [Biofuel] Bush stands by rejection of limits on gases blamedfor global warming

2004-11-10 Thread Keith Addison
More than one in four American working families receives wages so low that they have difficulty surviving financially, a new report concludes. ãWorking Hard, Falling Short: Americaâs Working Families and the Pursuit of Economic Security,ä released jointly by the Annie E. Casey, Ford, and

RE: FW: [Biofuel] about God

2004-11-10 Thread Mel Riser
Of COURSE they are evolved just as we are... But there are SUDDEN changes in the DNA that bring about Spontaneous mutation. And behold a new creature comes forth that does NOT look the Parents. The Urantia book goes in to evolution in Detail. Read the chapter on Andon and Fonta, the first

Re: [Biofuel] Question about Hornet wind turbine

2004-11-10 Thread Hakan Falk
Hornet is not really a manufactured wind turbine, it is blade design mainly and it is others that buys only the blades. A hornet turbine is the blades who are proprietary with car generator and basically a kit for DIY. The discussion list have several posting about Hornet This is the info

[Biofuel] The next four years

2004-11-10 Thread balaji
Hello Ken, - Original Message - From: Ken Chua [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 05, 2004 8:34 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] 2004 US Presidential Election Results It's no surprise that the whole world wanted a Kerry win. From the media and e-mails and

Re: FW: [Biofuel] about God

2004-11-10 Thread btmd
If the theory of evolution is correct, then it would be the egg that came first. Whatever the chicken evolved from would not have been a chicken, but the final non-chicken would have had to lay an egg which hatched the first chicken. Where in the line the creature mutated from non-chicken to

Re: [Biofuel] Kerry Won

2004-11-10 Thread balaji
Hello Keith, My, my !! And I thought poll booth capturing was a purely Third World phenomenon, where local paid goons openly terrorise and prevent the predominantly backward castes from voting. Ballot papers are stuffed wholesale into ballot boxes. These tactics started in the early Seventies

RE: Re[2]: [Biofuel] Knowledge vs faith

2004-11-10 Thread Mel Riser
Here is some stuff I found. P.1012 - ¤4 The many religions of Urantia are all good to the extent that they bring man to God and bring the realization of the Father to man. It is a fallacy for any group of religionists to conceive of their creed as The Truth; such attitudes bespeak more of

[Biofuel] UB church?

2004-11-10 Thread Mel Riser
I know of no such church. It may yet evolve into that. But not here in the states. No priests no churches No dogma And there is a HUGE Dutch following of the UB. Oh yes Jesus would have supported BioDiesel I feel that is true :) -Original Message- From: Gustl Steiner-Zehender

Bible, Koran Torah Thumping, not to mention other general sheeple tricks was Re: [Biofuel] about God

2004-11-10 Thread Appal Energy
Cobb County Georgia School Board puts stickers on their biology books stating that evolution is only a theory, all at the behest of a few screaming meamies, and two thousand petition signers. They're rationale? God is real but evolution is unproven. Well now..., one must ask the question:

RE: Bible, Koran Torah Thumping, not to mention other general sheeple tricks was Re: [Biofuel] aboutGod

2004-11-10 Thread Mel Riser
P.597 - ¤3 Even on normal evolutionary worlds the realization of the world-wide brotherhood of man is not an easy accomplishment. On a confused and disordered planet like Urantia such an achievement requires a much longer time and necessitates far greater effort. Unaided social evolution can

[Biofuel] BioFuel Wednesday

2004-11-10 Thread Mel Riser
Austin BioFuel is hosting Wednesday nights buy fuel and socialize at the plant http://www.austinbiofuels.com/index.php/fuseaction/home/pid/22/sid/10.php Heading out for downtown before traffic gets bad. Anyone wanting a Urantia book program can get it here.

Re: [Biofuel] He talks to God - warning - more Christian content.

2004-11-10 Thread balaji
Hello Peter, - Original Message - From: Guag Meister [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 6:02 AM Subject: RE: [Biofuel] He talks to God - warning - more Christian content. Hi Mel ; Yes quite humourous (and yes America was stolen/conquered).

Re: [Biofuel] He talks to God - warning - more Christian content.

2004-11-10 Thread balaji
Hello Peter, - Original Message - From: Guag Meister [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 6:02 AM Subject: RE: [Biofuel] He talks to God - warning - more Christian content. Hi Mel ; Yes quite humourous (and yes America was stolen/conquered).

RE: [Biofuel] Solar Panels Might be Obligatory in Spain

2004-11-10 Thread Michael Redler
Solar Panels Might be Obligatory in Spain Check it out... http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=storyu=/afp/spain_energy_environment Mike ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to

[Biofuel] New thread - Votergate can take back America

2004-11-10 Thread bmolloy
Sorry about the hooha sparked off by my posting on the Iron Law of Democracy, didn't mean to start another civil war. However, since then a few hours trolling the net produced the following - giving cause to believe that in the recent presidential election voter fraud did indeed take place.

RE: Bible, Koran Torah Thumping, not to mention other general sheeple tricks was Re: [Biofuel] aboutGod

2004-11-10 Thread Peggy
Hello Todd, Another perspective is that the future colors the present to initiate those happenings that bring the best of the imagined events into play making the present project (move forward linear time) into a most-likely, probable future. That is why I keep emphasizing the focus on personal

RE: Re[2]: [Biofuel] Knowledge vs faith

2004-11-10 Thread Peggy
Great quotes Mel, I hope that some of the list takes the time to read and consider the essence of the message. Peggy Subject: RE: Re[2]: [Biofuel] Knowledge vs faith Here is some stuff I found. P.1012 - ¤4 The many religions of Urantia are all good to the extent that they bring man to God