Re: [Biofuel] Which Oil is Best
in The Netherlands, so 'we' is indeed Europe. I read a lot in this newsgroup because it's very interresting. I've got a friend in Ghana who has some land there and doesn't know what to do with it. I was thinking to set up a palmtree plantage but I wasn't sure if this could be used for biodieselnow I know:) Thanks - Original Message - From: Tom Irwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2005 8:25 PM Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Which Oil is Best Dear Pros, How about a world map with growing seasons, rainfall etc.? Have I missed it in the archives? Good stuff there. Still busily searching. Curious Tom -Original Message- From: Chris To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 4/24/05 2:44 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Which Oil is Best Dear pros, Latitudinal or longitudinally? Chris K Cayce, SC - Original Message - From: pros [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2005 11:34 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Which Oil is Best Hello Chris and Frans and other listeners , My question is a little bit different ; If you would make a trip around the world and seasons in each country ; what are the chances for the whole year available ' fresh ' oils which countries should you go and which time of the year ( I assume always 'fresh' crop ) .Eg if you start in Europe - in June for rapeseed oil where would you go and when for palm oil or is there a chance to get one kind of oil in different continents all time from fresh crop ? Julian , Poland Hello Frans, Palm oil is great for biodiesel. I guess it depends which 'we' you are talking about. The 'we' that are in Brazil and other southern areas use palm oil; the 'we' that lives in US use soy oil because that is what we grow here. This time the 'we' is ADM I am afraid. In Europe, the 'we' have access to rapeseed, because that is what is grown there. The use of pronouns is so interesting in an international list such as this one. As always, the answer is on a table on the JTF website. Hope that helps. The esteemed Frans van Dortmont wrote: On the discussion which oil is best; Why do we use so much soy oil rape seed oil instead of palmoil. Everywhere is see that palmoil is best efficient way to produce oil. Is it not good for making biodiesel? Chris K Cayce, SC ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Re: Magnasol
You might want to send these messages straight forward, rather than as attachments. Saves having to filter it through a secondary server first and reduces the risk of others picking up viruses. As for Magnesol, your tentative results and presumptions are interesting. Theoretically, Magnesol is essentially little more than a magnet, a synthetically manufactured magnesium sillicate with receptor sights that attract polar compounds. In practice it is supposed to remove these compounds from fryer oil giving it a longer life cycle before changing. This should mean fewer FFAs in WVOs that are turned into biodiesel. In the biodiesel industry Magnesol is being experimented with and perhaps touted as a dry filtration method that will remove polar soaps, FFAs, residual glycerides, etc., yielding a fuel that meets ASTM D-6751 without the use of water filtration and fuel finishing other than filtering out the Magnesol. About all we can say at the moment is that 100#s of Magnesol are supposed to land on our dock somtime by week's end. Our intent is to experiment with it as a dry filter in lieu of water. Perhaps it wouldn't be too difficult to pass some degraded oil through a small amount first and see if your results can be duplicated or not. Theoretically, what you're describing shouldn't happen. But theory and reality are often two different monsters. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Gregg Davidson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2005 9:30 PM Subject: Magnasol Hello everyone, I'm trying to make a batch of biodiesel with some WVO that I learned has been treated will something called Magnasol. This substance seems to inhibits the WVO from transesterifing by causing the NaOH to produce a stringy polymer like substance in the oil. The more NaOH you put in, the more stringy polymer like substance you get. Catch 22. The last batch of WVO I had was heavily contaminated with water that it was unusable. If anyone has information about Magnasol how to deal with it, please pass it along. I currently have 20 gallons of WVO that I'd like to use for biodiesel. Any help, suggestions, or advice is welcome. Sincerely, Gregg Davidson __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Which Oil is Best
getting a bad rap because of double bond fears. but most of the soy oil I get is partally hydrogenated already which breaks the double bond. Then since this oil was used mostly to fry up some kind of meat it is 1/2 to 1/3 saturated fat with no double bonds. Just to be on the safe side I have been blending in my soy-oil with other oils that have lower IV numbers like canola cottonseed and peanut. I have made over 3000 gal of biodiesel since 2002 and have had zero problems. There are currently three different cars running on this B100 with no problems. As soon as there is a problem I will be letting this forum know about it. As far as I am concerned there is nothing wrong with making bio-diesel out of soy oil... So drive down the road Happy..DB - Original Message - From: ROY Washbish [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2005 4:09 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Which Oil is Best Hi all you fine people. I have been reading your input for about two months now and am about ready to produce my first batch of biodiesel. I am confused about which Used Vegetable Oil is best to produce biodiesel? It seems that I have read something BAD about every oil I know of, especially Soy. Which UVO should I be looking for for my biodiesel? I live in Connecticut, USA All comments are welcome. Thanks BUNCHES for your help. Roy Roy Washbish Certified Health Coach A HOME BUSINESS PRODUCTS THAT WORK PRODUCTS BUSINESS HTTP://WWW.TRIVITA.COM/11393920 __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] 27th Symposium on Biotechnology for Fuels and Chemicals May 1-4
Thanks to Sonya Koch. It's not all small-scale technology, but some of it may be adaptable. Doug Woodard St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada -- Forwarded message -- Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *27th Symposium on Biotechnology for Fuels and Chemicals* May 1 ö 4 Denver, Colorado Contact: David Glickson mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED], 303-275-4097 Details: The Symposia on Biotechnology for Fuels and Chemicals are the premier conferences on biomass utilization and conversion. The 27th Symposium continues this highly successful series with a great opportunity for experts from around the world to gather and discuss the latest research breakthroughs and results. Researchers from academia, government and industry will meet to discuss numerous approaches for improving the economics of fuel and chemical production. A variety of formal technical sessions, poster sessions, and informal discussion groups will stimulate the exchange of new information. Visit BioTech Symposium http://www.eere.energy.gov/biomass/biotech_symposium/ http://www.eere.energy.gov/biomass/biotech_symposium/ for more information. === Each of the sections below, after you click on the main Session link, opens up to page that has a time the presenter and his document available for download. So, one could either go to the main link http://www.eere.energy.gov/biomass/biotech_symposium/session1a.html click on each session and then the session page would open up and then you could choose whatever document you wanted to view, or you could click on the sessions below, I included the link, next to the session below, as well as including the documents from the first page and session in order to illustrate the site layout. http://www.eere.energy.gov/biomass/biotech_symposium/session1a.html Session 1A: Feedstock Supply and Logistics Sunday, May 1, 2005, 1:00 PM - 5:00 PM Chair: Peter Flynn, University of Alberta Co-Chair: Foster Agblevor, Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University 1:00 p.m.Welcoming Remarks÷Symposium Chair 1:15 p.m.Opening Remarks÷Session Chair/Co-Chair 1:25 p.m.Oral Presentation 1A-01. Agricultural Residue Availability in the United States, (MS Word 29 KB http://www.eere.energy.gov/biomass/biotech_symposium/docs/abst1a- 01.doc) Zia Haq, Energy Information Administration, Washington, DC, and James Easterly, Easterly Consulting, Fairfax, VA 1:50 p.m.Oral Presentation 1A-02. New Technology for Reed Canary Grass Production, (MS Word 30 KB http://www.eere.energy.gov/biomass/biotech_symposium/docs/abst1a-02.doc) Arvo Leinonen, Samuli Rinne, and Tuulikki Lindh, Technical Research Centre of Finland (VTT), Jyvskyl, Finland 2:15 p.m.Oral Presentation 1A-03. Corn Stover Fractions Related to Bioenergy: Chemical Composition and Structure, (MS Word 33 KB http://www.eere.energy.gov/biomass/biotech_symposium/docs/abst1a-03.doc) Danny E. Akin, W. Herbert Morrison III, Franklin E. Barton, II, David S. Himmelsbach, R.B. Russell Agricultural Research Center, U.S. Department of Agriculture Agricultural Research Service, Athens, GA, and Kevin B. Hicks, Eastern Regional Research Center, U.S. Department of Agriculture Agricultural Research Service Wyndmoor, PA 2:40 p.m.Oral Presentation 1A-04. The BTL2 Process of Biomass Utilisation: Entrained Flow Gasification of Pyrolysed Biomass Slurries, (MS Word http://www.eere.energy.gov/biomass/biotech_symposium/docs/abst1a-04.doc) Klaus Raffelt, Edmund Henrich, Andrea Koegel, Ralph Stahl, Joachim Steinhardt and Friedhelm Weirich, Forschungszentrum Karlsruhe, Institut fr Technische Chemie (ITC-CPV), Eggenstein-Leopoldshafen, Germany 3:05 p.m.Break 3:35 p.m.Oral Presentation 1A-05. Ethanol Production from Wet- Oxidized Wheat Straw by Different Recombinant Saccharomyces Cerevisiae Strains, (MS Word 30 KB http://www.eere.energy.gov/biomass/biotech_symposium/docs/abst1a-05.doc) Gianni Panagiotou and Lisbeth Olsson, Center for Microbial Biotechnology, BioCentrum-DTU, Technical University of Denmark, Lyngby, Denmark 4:00 p.m.Oral Presentation 1A-06. Under What Conditions is Ethanol from Corn Stover Economically Viable?, (MS Word 33 KB http://www.eere.energy.gov/biomass/biotech_symposium/docs/abst1a-06.doc) Burton C. English and R. Jamey Menard, Agri-Industry Modeling and Analysis Group, Department of Agricultural Economics, The University of Tennessee, Knoxville, TN; Daniel De La Torre Ugarte, Agricultural Policy Analysis Center, Department of Agricultural Economics, The University of Tennessee, Knoxville, TN; and Marie E. Walsh, Department of Agricultural Economics, The University of Tennessee, Knoxville, TN 4:25 p.m.Oral Presentation 1A-07. Modeling Cellulosic EthanolProduction and Distribution in the United States, (MS Word 30 KB http://www.eere.energy.gov/biomass/biotech_symposium/docs/abst1a-07.doc) William R. Morrow III, Michael Griffin, and Scott Mathews, CarnegieMellon University, Pittsburgh, PA 4:50 p.m.Closing
[Biofuel] hydrogen fire place
Hi all, This is interesting - a hydrogen fireplace. Uses standard electrolysis of water. You still have to use electricity for it to work so it is definately not free heat but it doesn't need any venting so it can be easily installed. Company states output at around 31,000 btu's. It is a pretty simple idea so I expect it won't be long before quite a few clones will be available. Certainly doesn't help solve the energy crisis though it will burn clean and has the option of adding the oxygen to the room air. The world's first hydrogen-burning fireplace launches next generation of hearth products http://www.heatnglo.com/news/pressrelease.asp?id=33 Get your daily alternative energy news http://groups.yahoo.com/group/next_generation_grid news resources forums http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tomorrow-energy Alternative Energy Politics http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Alternative_Energy_Politics/ Alternate Energy Resource Network 1000+ news sources resources updated daily http://www.alternate-energy.net ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] alcohol stoves
I would like to run a still using alcohol as the fuel source. Where can I find information on making large alcohol burners. I have found information on small pocket stoves but nothing big. Seems we should be able to run on what we make rather than buy fuel to make fuel. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Which Oil is Best
Thanks DB Your info is helpful. It looks like you have a pretty good supply of KNOWN WVO. I hope that holds true for me. Roy DB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wouldn't hesitate using any vege oil to make bio-diesel. Soy oil is getting a bad rap because of double bond fears. but most of the soy oil I get is partally hydrogenated already which breaks the double bond. Then since this oil was used mostly to fry up some kind of meat it is 1/2 to 1/3 saturated fat with no double bonds. Just to be on the safe side I have been blending in my soy-oil with other oils that have lower IV numbers like canola cottonseed and peanut. I have made over 3000 gal of biodiesel since 2002 and have had zero problems. There are currently three different cars running on this B100 with no problems. As soon as there is a problem I will be letting this forum know about it. As far as I am concerned there is nothing wrong with making bio-diesel out of soy oil... So drive down the road Happy..DB - Original Message - From: ROY Washbish To: Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2005 4:09 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Which Oil is Best Hi all you fine people. I have been reading your input for about two months now and am about ready to produce my first batch of biodiesel. I am confused about which Used Vegetable Oil is best to produce biodiesel? It seems that I have read something BAD about every oil I know of, especially Soy. Which UVO should I be looking for for my biodiesel? I live in Connecticut, USA All comments are welcome. Thanks BUNCHES for your help. Roy Roy Washbish Certified Health Coach A HOME BUSINESS PRODUCTS THAT WORK PRODUCTS BUSINESS HTTP://WWW.TRIVITA.COM/11393920 __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Roy Washbish Certified Health Coach A HOME BUSINESS PRODUCTS THAT WORK PRODUCTS BUSINESS HTTP://WWW.TRIVITA.COM/11393920 __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Re: Fwd: Magnasol
All the archives has to add is this, not very much - or maybe it is, I can't really tell, it's over my head. http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/29795/ Best wishes Keith Hello everyone, I'm trying to make a batch of biodiesel with some WVO that I learned has been treated will something called Magnasol. This substance seems to inhibits the WVO from transesterifing by causing the NaOH to produce a stringy polymer like substance in the oil. The more NaOH you put in, the more stringy polymer like substance you get. Catch 22. The last batch of WVO I had was heavily contaminated with water that it was unusable. If anyone has information about Magnasol how to deal with it, please pass it along. I currently have 20 gallons of WVO that I'd like to use for biodiesel. Any help, suggestions, or advice is welcome. Sincerely, Gregg Davidson ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] a great sight to behold
yellow cheese wagon (school bus) over takeing me on an uphill grade. wasnt happy about the driver going so fast but then i noticed a nice little sticker on the fuel door it said (bio-diesel only) that was a sweet sight to see around here. the coolest thing i noticed about it was that it was not smokeing at all chugging up hill. i was very very impressed my old school bus couldnt make it over a speed bump without darkening the western hemisphere. WooHoo progress That's great J.L.! Was it a school's school bus or privately owned? Doesn't matter much, it proves the point either way. Why do they blind-eye biodiesel? Eg.: http://www.latimes.com/features/health/la-he-bus18apr18,1,2708905.stor y?ctrack=1cset=true Bus fumes worse for kids on board Best wishes Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Which Oil is Best
It's morning here and I am starting my day laughing! Chris K Cayce, SC - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 7:29 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Which Oil is Best Dear pros, Latitudinal or longitudinally? Latitudinal, but much more important IMNSHO is that the traditional anticlockwisist approach be adopted. We do not want any of this revisionist hegemonistic running-dog pinko neocon fundamentalist pro-clockwisist nonsense here, thankyou. And I really hope we're not going to see any more crass attempts by Northist Confusionism elements to propose that from West to East is anticlockwise. A few nay-sayers and denialists aside (and we all know who pays their bills), all serious scientists concur that the North is not on top, the South is. That's why Australia is commonly referred to as Up-over, and so on. And therefore, East to West is anticlockwise, and let's have no further argument about it, we of the Global South aren't dumb you know, we're alive to these sinister conspiracies, and *we* know that the centrifugal momentum of human-caused mass-pro-clockwisism is causing the world to spin faster, swelling the equatorial bulge, with really gross effects on the climate we all have to share, especially us. Longitudinality is at least spin-neutral, but it doesn't help either, longitudinal circumnavigators are just fence-sitters. Best wishes Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Which Oil is Best
OK I give up. IMNSHO? PEMIWSA -- Please Excuse My Ignorance With Some Acronyms :-) Mike Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Keith, It's morning here and I am starting my day laughing! Chris K Cayce, SC - Original Message - From: Keith Addison To: Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 7:29 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Which Oil is Best Dear pros, Latitudinal or longitudinally? Latitudinal, but much more important IMNSHO is that the traditional anticlockwisist approach be adopted. We do not want any of this revisionist hegemonistic running-dog pinko neocon fundamentalist pro-clockwisist nonsense here, thankyou. And I really hope we're not going to see any more crass attempts by Northist Confusionism elements to propose that from West to East is anticlockwise. A few nay-sayers and denialists aside (and we all know who pays their bills), all serious scientists concur that the North is not on top, the South is. That's why Australia is commonly referred to as Up-over, and so on. And therefore, East to West is anticlockwise, and let's have no further argument about it, we of the Global South aren't dumb you know, we're alive to these sinister conspiracies, and *we* know that the centrifugal momentum of human-caused mass-pro-clockwisism is causing the world to spin faster, swelling the equatorial bulge, with really gross effects on the climate we all have to share, especially us. Longitudinality is at least spin-neutral, but it doesn't help either, longitudinal circumnavigators are just fence-sitters. Best wishes Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Which Oil is Best
IMNSHO - In My Not So Humble Opinion fred On 4/25/05, Michael Redler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK I give up. IMNSHO? PEMIWSA -- Please Excuse My Ignorance With Some Acronyms :-) Mike Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Keith, It's morning here and I am starting my day laughing! Chris K Cayce, SC - Original Message - From: Keith Addison To: Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 7:29 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Which Oil is Best Dear pros, Latitudinal or longitudinally? Latitudinal, but much more important IMNSHO is that the traditional anticlockwisist approach be adopted. We do not want any of this revisionist hegemonistic running-dog pinko neocon fundamentalist pro-clockwisist nonsense here, thankyou. And I really hope we're not going to see any more crass attempts by Northist Confusionism elements to propose that from West to East is anticlockwise. A few nay-sayers and denialists aside (and we all know who pays their bills), all serious scientists concur that the North is not on top, the South is. That's why Australia is commonly referred to as Up-over, and so on. And therefore, East to West is anticlockwise, and let's have no further argument about it, we of the Global South aren't dumb you know, we're alive to these sinister conspiracies, and *we* know that the centrifugal momentum of human-caused mass-pro-clockwisism is causing the world to spin faster, swelling the equatorial bulge, with really gross effects on the climate we all have to share, especially us. Longitudinality is at least spin-neutral, but it doesn't help either, longitudinal circumnavigators are just fence-sitters. Best wishes Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] hydrogen fire place
And how much more energy is going to be wasted, generating all the necessary H2? What a joke. If anyone want to buy the fireplace, I want to know, I have a bridge to sell them, in San Francisco CA. Greg H. - Original Message - From: Alt.EnergyNetwork [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 03:02 Subject: [Biofuel] hydrogen fire place Hi all, This is interesting - a hydrogen fireplace. Uses standard electrolysis of water. You still have to use electricity for it to work so it is definately not free heat but it doesn't need any venting so it can be easily installed. Company states output at around 31,000 btu's. It is a pretty simple idea so I expect it won't be long before quite a few clones will be available. Certainly doesn't help solve the energy crisis though it will burn clean and has the option of adding the oxygen to the room air. The world's first hydrogen-burning fireplace launches next generation of hearth products http://www.heatnglo.com/news/pressrelease.asp?id=33 Get your daily alternative energy news http://groups.yahoo.com/group/next_generation_grid news resources forums http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tomorrow-energy Alternative Energy Politics http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Alternative_Energy_Politics/ Alternate Energy Resource Network 1000+ news sources resources updated daily http://www.alternate-energy.net ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Which Oil is Best
This is just way to much to contemplate, first thing in the morning. I don't drink, but, this might drive me to it. Greg H. - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 05:29 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Which Oil is Best Dear pros, Latitudinal or longitudinally? Latitudinal, but much more important IMNSHO is that the traditional anticlockwisist approach be adopted. We do not want any of this revisionist hegemonistic running-dog pinko neocon fundamentalist pro-clockwisist nonsense here, thankyou. And I really hope we're not going to see any more crass attempts by Northist Confusionism elements to propose that from West to East is anticlockwise. A few nay-sayers and denialists aside (and we all know who pays their bills), all serious scientists concur that the North is not on top, the South is. That's why Australia is commonly referred to as Up-over, and so on. And therefore, East to West is anticlockwise, and let's have no further argument about it, we of the Global South aren't dumb you know, we're alive to these sinister conspiracies, and *we* know that the centrifugal momentum of human-caused mass-pro-clockwisism is causing the world to spin faster, swelling the equatorial bulge, with really gross effects on the climate we all have to share, especially us. Longitudinality is at least spin-neutral, but it doesn't help either, longitudinal circumnavigators are just fence-sitters. Best wishes Keith Chris K Cayce, SC - Original Message - From: pros [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2005 11:34 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Which Oil is Best Hello Chris and Frans and other listeners , My question is a little bit different ; If you would make a trip around the world and seasons in each country ; what are the chances for the whole year available ' fresh ' oils which countries should you go and which time of the year ( I assume always 'fresh' crop ) .Eg if you start in Europe - in June for rapeseed oil where would you go and when for palm oil or is there a chance to get one kind of oil in different continents all time from fresh crop ? Julian , Poland Hello Frans, Palm oil is great for biodiesel. I guess it depends which 'we' you are talking about. The 'we' that are in Brazil and other southern areas use palm oil; the 'we' that lives in US use soy oil because that is what we grow here. This time the 'we' is ADM I am afraid. In Europe, the 'we' have access to rapeseed, because that is what is grown there. The use of pronouns is so interesting in an international list such as this one. As always, the answer is on a table on the JTF website. Hope that helps. The esteemed Frans van Dortmont wrote: On the discussion which oil is best; Why do we use so much soy oil rape seed oil instead of palmoil. Everywhere is see that palmoil is best efficient way to produce oil. Is it not good for making biodiesel? Chris K Cayce, SC ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Which Oil is Best
Do you suppose that UK developed a taste for palm oil because it was readily available from 'the empire'? maybe, but then It also should be available for France. In fact here (France, EU) you can find palm oil bars in every supermarket. (the most famous brand is Vegetaline for frying purpose (i.e. french fries). Palm oil is also used as a substitute to butter. Tastyless and imported but healthier. This new taste may be came from the last world wars when butter was rare and replaced by margarine, fat matter from vegetal oil. Now the main reason to use it are diet (cholesterol free, overheated oil non cancerogenic) and savings (cheaper than butter). Other food habits remains from wars (napoleonic: i.e.sugar from beetroot ; WWI II : chicoree in place of coffee...) But in southern France olive or rapeseed oil are still spread used probably because of the hotest climate that already limited the use of butter in mediterannean countries. I guess that the global warming will soon do the same effects in the northern part of France... and allow to produce palm oil in the south ;-) frantz ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Jelled ethanol with charcoal and cellulose
Greeting Larry Dear Larry Think of using the fuel gel made using cellulose powder or wood charcoal carbon powder for making fuel from alcohol . Several important information are available from the old list archives of this group. It is not very clear whether you want use the fuel for distillation of ethanol .Still for what purpose ? See here for information for the use of jelled fuel alcohol: Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ We have not done so far any experimental work in this field but surely wish to start soon . Some 100 000 Brazilian Real economy is mad possible to be the gain due to the operation of the one small aeroplane/ year that have been adopted to use ethanolinsecticide applications of big Brazilian soy agribusiness the gain compared to the conventional fuel. Thus big one become very big and small farmer very poor in the globalised economy . But , We are interested to use the ethanol fuel to remote area for cooking using gel and charcoal powder , thus making possible fuel for poor too and this is very costlier too due to transportation in remote area. In Africa , the jelled alcohol fuel has been found to be very successful one as advocated by UN . Any useful information and collaborations in this project are well come as we lost the cashew apple of 500 000 hectare in our small state alone in the north east of Brazil all wasted due to the local market, man power cost and fuel problems as these are all like Forest making food and fuel , but all lost , yet we have poor with out food This natural vitamin products with 100 porcent waste need to very urgently be solved by global and local collaborative work which is our major research work which has Brazilian research council aid .But the problem is very complex to solve . We are open for any new product , process , investment regard to this natural products In this respect we need more novel methods , experience in other country too . Instead of food we too think of jelled ethanol fuel too for sustainability for the local sustainable developments as biomass sustainability project Thanking you Truly Sd Pannir selvam Brasil On 4/25/05, Larry Pickens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would like to run a still using alcohol as the fuel source. Where can I find information on making large alcohol burners. I have found information on small pocket stoves but nothing big. Seems we should be able to run on what we make rather than buy fuel to make fuel. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] hydrogen fire place
Supplemental oxygen is mandatory in an unvented heater in most cases. Otherwise the oxygen level would get very low. Most ventless heaters are cycling on their low oxygen sensor as a result. Ventless heaters are cheap, thus the appeal. They are not of much use north of say Georgia. Besides, low oxygen levels are a VERY BAD idea. Kirk Alt.EnergyNetwork [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, This is interesting - a hydrogen fireplace. Uses standard electrolysis of water. You still have to use electricity for it to work so it is definately not free heat but it doesn't need any venting so it can be easily installed. Company states output at around 31,000 btu's. It is a pretty simple idea so I expect it won't be long before quite a few clones will be available. Certainly doesn't help solve the energy crisis though it will burn clean and has the option of adding the oxygen to the room air. The world's first hydrogen-burning fireplace launches next generation of hearth products http://www.heatnglo.com/news/pressrelease.asp?id=33 Get your daily alternative energy news http://groups.yahoo.com/group/next_generation_grid news resources forums http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tomorrow-energy Alternative Energy Politics http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Alternative_Energy_Politics/ Alternate Energy Resource Network 1000+ news sources resources updated daily http://www.alternate-energy.net ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] alcohol stoves
Use the sun or a non liquid fuel that is of lesser value. Wood is not as useful for motor fuel as alcohol for example. Larry Pickens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would like to run a still using alcohol as the fuel source. Where can I find information on making large alcohol burners. I have found information on small pocket stoves but nothing big. Seems we should be able to run on what we make rather than buy fuel to make fuel. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] hydrogen fire place
(...) If anyone want to buy the fireplace, I want to know, I have a bridge to sell them, in San Francisco CA. the golden one ? must be expensive ! FD ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] alcohol stoves
Try a marine supply store. Alcohol is a common fuel in the galley of pleaure boats. We had one aboard our sailboat. They are extremely safe (compared to propane). Ours was a two burner model, but they also make a one burner model also. Ours was made by ORIGO and is sold by West Marine. Walt -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Larry Pickens Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 4:07 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] alcohol stoves I would like to run a still using alcohol as the fuel source. Where can I find information on making large alcohol burners. I have found information on small pocket stoves but nothing big. Seems we should be able to run on what we make rather than buy fuel to make fuel. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Which Oil is Best
I don't drink, but, this might drive me to it. Greg H. Um, yes, well, sorry. Try coffee (best to stir it anticlockwise). I think I was just cavilling at the prospect of having to debunk John Nicholson (biopower), not exactly difficult, but I'll probably break out in carbuncles or something. Won't someone else do it? Please? Best Keith - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 05:29 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Which Oil is Best Dear pros, Latitudinal or longitudinally? Latitudinal, but much more important IMNSHO is that the traditional anticlockwisist approach be adopted. We do not want any of this revisionist hegemonistic running-dog pinko neocon fundamentalist pro-clockwisist nonsense here, thankyou. And I really hope we're not going to see any more crass attempts by Northist Confusionism elements to propose that from West to East is anticlockwise. A few nay-sayers and denialists aside (and we all know who pays their bills), all serious scientists concur that the North is not on top, the South is. That's why Australia is commonly referred to as Up-over, and so on. And therefore, East to West is anticlockwise, and let's have no further argument about it, we of the Global South aren't dumb you know, we're alive to these sinister conspiracies, and *we* know that the centrifugal momentum of human-caused mass-pro-clockwisism is causing the world to spin faster, swelling the equatorial bulge, with really gross effects on the climate we all have to share, especially us. Longitudinality is at least spin-neutral, but it doesn't help either, longitudinal circumnavigators are just fence-sitters. Best wishes Keith Chris K Cayce, SC - Original Message - From: pros [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2005 11:34 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Which Oil is Best Hello Chris and Frans and other listeners , My question is a little bit different ; If you would make a trip around the world and seasons in each country ; what are the chances for the whole year available ' fresh ' oils which countries should you go and which time of the year ( I assume always 'fresh' crop ) .Eg if you start in Europe - in June for rapeseed oil where would you go and when for palm oil or is there a chance to get one kind of oil in different continents all time from fresh crop ? Julian , Poland Hello Frans, Palm oil is great for biodiesel. I guess it depends which 'we' you are talking about. The 'we' that are in Brazil and other southern areas use palm oil; the 'we' that lives in US use soy oil because that is what we grow here. This time the 'we' is ADM I am afraid. In Europe, the 'we' have access to rapeseed, because that is what is grown there. The use of pronouns is so interesting in an international list such as this one. As always, the answer is on a table on the JTF website. Hope that helps. The esteemed Frans van Dortmont wrote: On the discussion which oil is best; Why do we use so much soy oil rape seed oil instead of palmoil. Everywhere is see that palmoil is best efficient way to produce oil. Is it not good for making biodiesel? Chris K Cayce, SC ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] hydrogen fire place
Hello Greg. I fully agree with you. A common folk could use as a heat pump a standard or reversible (cold/hot) air conditioner with the cold side taking heat from the environment and releasing it at the hot side inside the room to warm it, besides it will heat the room with the energy of the electrical power in a given period of time plus the larger amount of heat taken from outside. Of couse the equipment needs some defrosting cycle for places were temperatures falls below the water freezing point. One important point, the AC unit should work as a heat pump with the compressor running to deliver the heat from outside, the ones that produces the heating using only electrical resistances has no use for this heat pumping action. Best Regards. Juan -- From: Greg Harbican [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent:25/04/2005 10:47 AM For:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Re: [Biofuel] hydrogen fire place And how much more energy is going to be wasted, generating all the neces sary H2? What a joke. If anyone want to buy the fireplace, I want to know, I have a bridge to sell them, in San Francisco CA. Greg H. - Original Message - From: Alt.EnergyNetwork [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 03:02 Subject: [Biofuel] hydrogen fire place Hi all, This is interesting - a hydrogen fireplace. Uses standard electrolysis of water. You still have to use electricity for it to work so it is definately not free heat but it doesn't need any venting so it can be easily installed. Company states output at around 31,000 btu's. It is a pretty simple idea so I expect it won't be long before quite a few clones will be available. Certainly doesn't help solve the energy crisis though it will burn clean and has the option of adding the oxygen to the room air. The world's first hydrogen-burning fireplace launches next generation of hearth products http://www.heatnglo.com/news/pressrelease.asp?id=33 Get your daily alternative energy news http://groups.yahoo.com/group/next_generation_grid news resources forums http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tomorrow-energy Alternative Energy Politics http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Alternative_Energy_Politics/ Alternate Energy Resource Network 1000+ news sources resources updated daily http://www.alternate-energy.net ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] hydrogen fire place
OK, I did some poking around and had a little trouble finding a Watt-hr/BTU value for hydrogen production using electrolysis. Does anyone have a link with some stats? Mike Kirk McLoren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Supplemental oxygen is mandatory in an unvented heater in most cases. Otherwise the oxygen level would get very low. Most ventless heaters are cycling on their low oxygen sensor as a result. Ventless heaters are cheap, thus the appeal. They are not of much use north of say Georgia. Besides, low oxygen levels are a VERY BAD idea. Kirk Alt.EnergyNetwork wrote: Hi all, This is interesting - a hydrogen fireplace. Uses standard electrolysis of water. You still have to use electricity for it to work so it is definately not free heat but it doesn't need any venting so it can be easily installed. Company states output at around 31,000 btu's. It is a pretty simple idea so I expect it won't be long before quite a few clones will be available. Certainly doesn't help solve the energy crisis though it will burn clean and has the option of adding the oxygen to the room air. The world's first hydrogen-burning fireplace launches next generation of hearth products http://www.heatnglo.com/news/pressrelease.asp?id=33 Get your daily alternative energy news http://groups.yahoo.com/group/next_generation_grid news resources forums http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tomorrow-energy Alternative Energy Politics http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Alternative_Energy_Politics/ Alternate Energy Resource Network 1000+ news sources resources updated daily http://www.alternate-energy.net ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] hydrogen fire place
Nah It's a buy at $1,000,000 US. Just think of the money you can raise by charging $5.00 for each car.At 1000 vehicles ( minimum ) a day, that is over $1,800,000 a year. Like my friend says, I don't want to rule the world. I just want to collect the rent on it! Greg H. - Original Message - From: Frantz DESPREZ [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 09:21 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] hydrogen fire place Greg Harbican a crit : (...) If anyone want to buy the fireplace, I want to know, I have a bridge to sell them, in San Francisco CA. the golden one ? must be expensive ! FD ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Which Oil is Best
Perhaps just drinking some OJ, deleting the message, and going back to bed for a few more hours would work as well.LOL Greg H. - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 09:48 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Which Oil is Best This is just way to much to contemplate, first thing in the morning. I don't drink, but, this might drive me to it. Greg H. Um, yes, well, sorry. Try coffee (best to stir it anticlockwise). I think I was just cavilling at the prospect of having to debunk John Nicholson (biopower), not exactly difficult, but I'll probably break out in carbuncles or something. Won't someone else do it? Please? Best Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Which Oil is Best
for a few more hours would work as well.LOL :-) Clearly you have no taste whatsoever. Keith Greg H. - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 09:48 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Which Oil is Best This is just way to much to contemplate, first thing in the morning. I don't drink, but, this might drive me to it. Greg H. Um, yes, well, sorry. Try coffee (best to stir it anticlockwise). I think I was just cavilling at the prospect of having to debunk John Nicholson (biopower), not exactly difficult, but I'll probably break out in carbuncles or something. Won't someone else do it? Please? Best Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] hydrogen fire place
If your electrolyzer is 50% efficient then half the power is lost. I guess they are thinking they can make hydrogen in the daytime and burn it at night. A battery and a heatpump would be enormously more efficient. Michael Redler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:OK, I did some poking around and had a little trouble finding a Watt-hr/BTU value for hydrogen production using electrolysis. Does anyone have a link with some stats? Mike Kirk McLoren wrote: Supplemental oxygen is mandatory in an unvented heater in most cases. Otherwise the oxygen level would get very low. Most ventless heaters are cycling on their low oxygen sensor as a result. Ventless heaters are cheap, thus the appeal. They are not of much use north of say Georgia. Besides, low oxygen levels are a VERY BAD idea. Kirk Alt.EnergyNetwork wrote: Hi all, This is interesting - a hydrogen fireplace. Uses standard electrolysis of water. You still have to use electricity for it to work so it is definately not free heat but it doesn't need any venting so it can be easily installed. Company states output at around 31,000 btu's. It is a pretty simple idea so I expect it won't be long before quite a few clones will be available. Certainly doesn't help solve the energy crisis though it will burn clean and has the option of adding the oxygen to the room air. The world's first hydrogen-burning fireplace launches next generation of hearth products http://www.heatnglo.com/news/pressrelease.asp?id=33 Get your daily alternative energy news http://groups.yahoo.com/group/next_generation_grid news resources forums http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tomorrow-energy Alternative Energy Politics http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Alternative_Energy_Politics/ Alternate Energy Resource Network 1000+ news sources resources updated daily http://www.alternate-energy.net ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Disolved air stones
this problem? Brent ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
