[Biofuel] UK biodiesel noobie

2005-07-06 Thread John
I live in the UK and want to start making my own biodiesel. The recipes I've seen generally come from the US and contain products that I cant find over in the UK. Does anybody know where to get the UK alternatives from? I'd be glad of the recipe and any tips etc to start me on my project.

Re: [Biofuel] UK biodiesel noobie

2005-07-06 Thread Sam Critchley
Hi John, The Low Impact Living Initiative (see http://www.lowimpact.org.uk for their site) has recently published a book called How to Make Biodiesel which I received about two weeks ago (you can order it from their website for £8.95). As well as procedures, equipment lists etc, it also

RE: [Biofuel] Bush wants to shift global warming debate

2005-07-06 Thread Hakan Falk
Frank, Sweden have a higher living standard than US, according to statistics. I am not suggesting that it is a direct relationship between happiness and living standard, as it is between happiness and dumbness. Why I say this, is because the first I will hear when I say this, is something

Re: [Biofuel] UK biodiesel noobie

2005-07-06 Thread Keith Addison
Hello John, welcome I live in the UK and want to start making my own biodiesel. The recipes I've seen generally come from the US No they don't, not if it's the Journey to Forever website you've been looking at. Mike Pelly's does, but not the others. and contain products that I cant find

Re: [Biofuel] UK biodiesel noobie

2005-07-06 Thread Keith Addison
Hello Sam Hi John, The Low Impact Living Initiative (see http://www.lowimpact.org.uk for their site) has recently published a book called How to Make Biodiesel which I received about two weeks ago (you can order it from their website for £8.95). As well as procedures, equipment lists

Re: [Biofuel] fuel efficient cars and motorcycles

2005-07-06 Thread Busyditch
Hi Chris Gearing may be through a trans or torque converter belt drive (snowmobile) I have a Norton Commando basket case with a tranny (these bikes were not "unit" engines, the trans is seperate)I imagine using a smaller bike such as Honda 350cc or so.There areseveral bike shops nearby who

RE: [Biofuel] Bush wants to shift global warming debate

2005-07-06 Thread Chris Lloyd
Sweden have a higher living standard than US, according to statistics. I am not suggesting that it is a direct relationship between happiness and living standard, as it is between happiness and dumbness. Why I say this, is because the first I will hear when I say this, is something about

Re: [Biofuel] UK biodiesel noobie

2005-07-06 Thread michael hicks
You can buy Methanol from Jenny chem 01634 290770 and b Q do NaOh granuals. Have a look on uk chemical supply sites sum only deliver if you are a business so be prepared. Myke.John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I live in the UK and want to start making my own biodiesel. The recipes I've seen

Re: [Biofuel] Bush wants to shift global warming debate

2005-07-06 Thread Go Hoff
Snip. high suicide rate is well compensated by the lower accident rate among Swedes and longer life expectancy. Beer is around $10 a pint and spirits up to $50 no wonder the suicide rate is so high. Chris. Wessex Ferret Club (http://www.wessexferretclub.co.uk) Yes, but a lot

RE: [Biofuel] Bush wants to shift global warming debate

2005-07-06 Thread Hakan Falk
and accident rate so low. -:) Hakan At 01:09 PM 7/6/2005, you wrote: Sweden have a higher living standard than US, according to statistics. I am not suggesting that it is a direct relationship between happiness and living standard, as it is between happiness and dumbness. Why I say this, is

Re: [Biofuel] 45 gallons of cream(part 2)

2005-07-06 Thread Appal Energy
Brent, First we've heard of adding methanol to break an emulsion. But then again, anything hydrophillic, if it works. Congratulations. You are aware, however, that methanol boils at 145*F? You were very close to having instantaneous vaporization when you added it. Hopefully you're

Re: [Biofuel] How many trees were killed to build your home ?

2005-07-06 Thread Joe Street
Hi Chris; <>Granted a mature forest supports a <>different ecology than a second growth but for instance studies have <>shown that there is more food for bears in a clearcut zone than there is in a mature forest. i don't see the relevance of

Re: [Biofuel] Biofuel as a rural community developement project in Belize

2005-07-06 Thread Keith Addison
Hello Dennis, welcome I am in the process of doing the same in Belize, Central America. I have some land and want to grow Jatropha and encourage the local people to grow it as a cash crop to help the local economy and ease the high price of fuel there. Why jatropha? Better to use crops the

Re: [Biofuel] Will Brazilian Flex Fuel Device work on American Cars?

2005-07-06 Thread robert luis rabello
Skipperx wrote: Dear Ethanol users, The below information (re: modifications to car to run on ethanol) is incorrect in my experience. I live in Brazil and I export conversion kit (petrol to ethanol) to Australia. Kits in Australia are being used in both vehicles manufactured by both Holden

RE: [Biofuel] Bush wants to shift global warming debate

2005-07-06 Thread Michael Redler
"Can you tell us the solution?" and "I you have any viable real world solutions lets hear it." tells me that you've missed the point. If you are the president of the United States and you're going to sell an alternative energy idea to your country, don't serve it to them half baked.My original

Re: [Biofuel] How many trees were killed to build your home ?

2005-07-06 Thread Hakan Falk
Joe, Only a couple of complementary things, The Elk an Moose also like clear cut, but they are very bad for forest management. They eat the top of the newly planted trees. Clear cuts are also bad, since it often result in that the top soil is washed down the streams and over fertilize them.

[Biofuel] Pimentel is at it again

2005-07-06 Thread John Hayes
Thanks to a post at TDIclub, I discovered that Pimentel has released yet another report on ethanol. Looking at the dates below, he's a month ahead of schedule this year. http://www.news.cornell.edu/stories/July05/ethanol.toocostly.ssl.html

Re: [Biofuel] Bush wants to shift global warming debate

2005-07-06 Thread Joe Street
I you have any viable real world solutions lets hear it. Excuse me while I put my jack boots on How about we hijack the mainstream media and start brainwashing people with the notion that life is not about immediate gratification. (Don't expect the sheeple of

Re: [Biofuel] Pimentel is at it again

2005-07-06 Thread Appal Energy
All that having been said, Pimental is right that soy and corn alone cannot replace our petroleum addiction Essentially, soybeans are not grown for their oil value. They're grown for the feed value, whether human destined or livestock. The oil is more a co-product, almost waste product in

[Biofuel] Wastewater Use In Irrigated Agriculture -- Confronting the Livelihood and Environmental Realities

2005-07-06 Thread Keith Addison
http://www.idrc.ca/en/ev-31595-201-1-DO_TOPIC International Development Research Centre WASTEWATER USE IN IRRIGATED AGRICULTURE Confronting the Livelihood and Environmental Realities Book(s) 8 of 180 WASTEWATER USE IN IRRIGATED AGRICULTURE Confronting the Livelihood and Environmental Realities

Re: [Biofuel] How many trees were killed to build your home ?

2005-07-06 Thread Keith Addison
Hi Hakan Joe, Only a couple of complementary things, The Elk an Moose also like clear cut, but they are very bad for forest management. They eat the top of the newly planted trees. Clear cuts are also bad, since it often result in that the top soil is washed down the streams and over

Re: [Biofuel] How many trees were killed to build your home ?

2005-07-06 Thread Keith Addison
Hello Joe, Chris Hi Chris; Granted a mature forest supports a different ecology than a second growth but for instance studies have shown that there is more food for bears in a clearcut zone than there is in a mature forest. i don't see the relevance of this. you could make the same

[Biofuel] International Model Forest Network Secretariat Celebrates 10 Years

2005-07-06 Thread Keith Addison
http://www.idrc.ca/en/ev-80492-201-1-DO_TOPIC International Development Research Centre Partnerships to Success -- International Model Forest Network Secretariat Celebrates 10 Years at IDRC The International Model Forest Network Secretariat (IMFNS) has much to celebrate after a decade: a

Re: [Biofuel] How many trees were killed to build your home ?

2005-07-06 Thread Joe Street
Hi Hakan; 100% in agreement with all of that. Clearcutting IS bad, I thought I made that distinction. It is also true that clearcutting does not hurt bears or elk. Selective cutting and even the use of helicopters to remove the odd massive tree are being used which is normally cost

Re: [Biofuel] Pimentel is at it again

2005-07-06 Thread Ken Dunn
Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Reduce the meat centered diet to one that treats meat as a delicacy rather than a mainstay and vast acreages could be diverted to liquid fuel production and cellulosic ethanol production rather than feed meal. Interesting thought (basically the same

Re: [Biofuel] How many trees were killed to build your home ?

2005-07-06 Thread r
Thanks for the info and the links, Keith. I have been looking for the right word to do web searches with. Agroforestry. Since web searches are word-based, it is important to use the right word to find the right info. Richard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Rich I think that trees are a

Re: [Biofuel] Pimentel is at it again

2005-07-06 Thread Keith Addison
Hello John Thanks to a post at TDIclub, I discovered that Pimentel has released yet another report on ethanol. Looking at the dates below, he's a month ahead of schedule this year. You're right John, every year I have to do an update on it at our website:

[Biofuel] Chicken resources on the web

2005-07-06 Thread Kirk McLoren
http://www.ithaca.edu/staff/jhenderson/chooks/chlinks.html#history Yahoo! Mail for Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone.___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org

Re: [Biofuel] Pimentel is at it again

2005-07-06 Thread robert luis rabello
Ken Dunn wrote: Interesting thought (basically the same reason that I gave up meat 6 years ago), I am curious how many American meat-eaters would give up the habit if it ever came down having your choice between meat or energy but not both. The problem is not meat, per se, it's the manner

Re: [Biofuel] Bush wants to shift global warming debate

2005-07-06 Thread Keith Addison
Hello again Joe I you have any viable real world solutions lets hear it. Excuse me while I put my jack boots on How about we hijack the mainstream media and start brainwashing people with the notion that life is not about immediate gratification. (Don't expect the sheeple of

RE: [Biofuel] Bush wants to shift global warming debate

2005-07-06 Thread Frank Dungan
I'm a nice guy - no flame suit required, but I see no real answers... I hate feeding our enemies as much as anybody.What was the solution? World government? That's a little scary, and the UN is a disaster. It takes energy to keep this many people alive in the world. The question is how

Re: [Biofuel] Will Brazilian Flex Fuel Device work on American Cars?

2005-07-06 Thread Ryan Hall
I would really like to run my truck on ethanol, if the legal issues can be worked out. Robert, what legal issues are you talking about? I am in america, so I don't think there will be any issues for me, but what are you coming across? How would you increase the compression? And in doing so,

Re: [Biofuel] Pimentel is at it again

2005-07-06 Thread Ryan Hall
A new process developed by the University of Wisconsin was posted on this board a while back (it's in the archives.) The process talks about green diesel and using the entire feedstock instead of just the fatty acids. I don't know the feasability of making this process a commercially accepted

Re: [Biofuel] Pimentel is at it again

2005-07-06 Thread Keith Addison
Hello Ryan A new process developed by the University of Wisconsin was posted on this board a while back (it's in the archives.) The process talks about green diesel and using the entire feedstock instead of just the fatty acids. I don't know the feasability of making this process a

Re: [Biofuel] Will Brazilian Flex Fuel Device work on American Cars?

2005-07-06 Thread Joe Street
robert luis rabello wrote: YOU can obtain a distillation permit from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms to distill your own ethanol. There is no such provision in Canada for individuals. I'm trying to do this through my business right now, but the people at Revenue Canada

RE: [Biofuel] Pimentel is at it again

2005-07-06 Thread Bede
There's many trains of thought on this, Crop rotation is very important, there's a whole growing cycle that if used correctly increases soil fertility year on year. In new Zealand, we typically just feed our animals grass, with perhaps additional fodder such as corn waste or some of the root

Re: [Biofuel] How many trees were killed to build your home ?

2005-07-06 Thread Chris
Trees are renewable and the lumber industry now replants more trees than it takes. The only problem with repanting trees, period, that i'm shocked no one has mentioned (unless i missed it), is that the earth in a particular area can only support 4-5 generations of trees before the soil is

[Biofuel] give up meat?

2005-07-06 Thread Ryan Hall
Ken, I am curious, what do you eat if you don't eat meat. I have been attempting to give up beef. Mostly because a good friend of mine runs a testing lab at a beef plant in Colorado. The things he tells me makes me not want beef anymore. Especially when he talks about mad cow. I don't

Re: [Biofuel] give up meat?

2005-07-06 Thread Chris
I'm not Ken, but I've been a vegetarian for over a year now. I just got back some blood work from the doctor and found not only weremy iron and protein levels normal, but I actually had a lot more of each than a normal person! I'm perfectly healthy and I didn't read any books or get any

Re: [Biofuel] Pimentel is at it again

2005-07-06 Thread Keith Addison
Hello Ken Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Meat is most certainly a sustainable food source. More than that, there is no sustainable way to maintain and renew soil fertility for crop growth without raising animals too. Nature never attempts it, and Man's attempts are doomed to failure

Re: [Biofuel] was Will Brazilian Flex Fuel Device work on American Cars?

2005-07-06 Thread Ray J
First of all anyone running these flextek thingys on a 97 S-10 pickup with a 2.2 liter 4 cylinder... gm made the ones after 2000 fun on e85 but i would love to be able to run e-85 in my 97 s-10 as it is avalable locally at quite a bit less than regular gas From what i have heard from

Re: [Biofuel] How many trees were killed to build your home ?

2005-07-06 Thread Hakan Falk
Chris, I am not sure of what you say, nor what background you have to say it. . The traditional and correct forest management is based on continuos cleaning and selective harvesting. The only base for an agricultural type of replanting and harvesting is the clear cutting, which only been

Re: [Biofuel] give up meat?

2005-07-06 Thread robert luis rabello
Sorry to butt in on your question, but I've eaten a (mostly) vegetarian diet since about 1970. The key to avoiding protein deficiency is to eat grains in combination with legumes. (Brown rice and black beans are a personal favorite.) Eating a wide variety of foods is essential, especially

Re: [Biofuel] give up meat?

2005-07-06 Thread Ken Dunn - CountyEarth.com
Ryan, As I mentioned, I gave up meat and dairy because of environmental reasons - as mentioned before not because meat is bad but, because the primary method by which it is raised in the U.S. is bad. I don't have a single ethical issue with eating meat. I actually like it quite a bit. Be

Re: [Biofuel] How many trees were killed to build your home ?

2005-07-06 Thread r
Nitrogen-fixing trees. Nitrogen, is that part of soil nutrients? http://agroforestry.net/overstory/overstory4.html [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Trees are renewable and the lumber industry now replants more trees than it takes. The only problem with repanting trees, period,

Re: [Biofuel] Pimentel is at it again

2005-07-06 Thread Ken Dunn - CountyEarth.com
Keith, Your make many points that give me reason for pause. However, I can wait for someone else to do something about the problems that exist or I can do something myself - done! The majority of U.S. citizens will continue to eat meat and larger quantities than responsible and probably of

Re: [Biofuel] Bush wants to shift global warming debate

2005-07-06 Thread capt3d
my favorite part waswhere he mentions"harnessing greenhouse gasses". harness them for what? is this yet another"bubba-ism", or something very orwellian disguised as one? -chris b.-Original Message-From: Michael Redler [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSent: Tue, 5 Jul

Re: [Biofuel] Pimentel is at it again

2005-07-06 Thread desertstallion
FWIW - My cat drinks milk from cows. Derek -- Original message -- From: Ken Dunn - CountyEarth.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] Keith, Your make many points that give me reason for pause. However, I can wait for someone else to do something about the problems that

Re: [Biofuel] Pimentel is at it again

2005-07-06 Thread robert luis rabello
Ken Dunn - CountyEarth.com wrote: A point of interest, though, I don't know of any animal aside from humans that consume the milk of another animal, though, I'm sure there probably is at least one. Can someone name one? I have cats that like goat milk. Dogs will drink just about

[Biofuel] Re: How many trees were killed to build your home ?

2005-07-06 Thread Marc DeGagne
Hi Joe Possibly I am blinded by fear mongering and misinformation by folks like David Suzuki. Could you please provide me with some examples and evidence of this misinformation. Here is a link to the David Suzuki Foundation.. http://www.davidsuzuki.org/Forests/Solutions/ Maybe I have