"The long-lived Mars Global Surveyor (8 yrs and flying)has enabled scientists to see [0]changes in the surface of Mars. From thearticle: 'New gullies that did not exist in mid-2002 have appeared on aMartian sand dune. New impact craters formed since the 1970s suggestchanges to age-estimating
On 9/21/05, Richard Littrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dear Andres,I am just guessing on the basis of having lived here a long time (theUS) and watched how the government works in South America.I see twopossibilities not necessarily mutually exclusive.The build up maybe
just so much saber rattling,
Hello ,
I am currently seeking for suggestions on what would be a good processor
for mid-size commercial use - let me explain -.
Me and my father have been looking into that since the gas price have gone
sky-high, and that Canada signed the Kyoto Protocol, so we definetly
need to reduces
Does anyone know anything about Sam Cogdill, or
Amazing Energy in Omaha, Nebraska?
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Zeke Yewdall wrote:
to make the diesel even better... turbo the hell out of it but do not
put a supercharger on it.
This was in another thread going off another direction. But my
question is, why not supercharge a diesel engine. There must be some
reason, because you don't seem them too
Keith,
Thanks for this answer and all the other information/answers you seem
to find the time to provide everyone (how did you manage to get 36
hour days to get done all that you seem to accomplish?). You hit the
nail on the head, I wasn't picturing 2 tanks for the methanol process.
Here goes
--- bob allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The problem I have with the whole chem trail story
is that the are simple plausible explanations for
the observations: water vapor from jet exhaust and
correlations between events which are not causal.
If it were a matter of one airplane traveling
Cheers for the info, I will drop into the local hardware store and see what
I can find
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Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Methanol
Darryl,
Try a dog water bowl heater from the pet store theyre not EXPENSIVE but
theyre not couch money either. its designed for pets living outdoors during
cold seasons, i believe they can heat to 120* F . or try a 120V water heater
element (about $20,00USD) itll need a mounting bracket, but you
http://www.journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/ethanol_manual/manual_ToC.html
http://www.journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/ethanol_drane.html
and more...basically i never tried any ethanol fuel myself, but i
believe there must be someone out there in this mailist that do.
Thats because our prime minister is Bush's main lap dog and butt licker.
Sorry for the language, but howard is a disgusting traiterous dog who
doesn't even deserve a capital letter for his name.
Any policy of Bush and Blair, he immediately immitates down here.
He doesn't serve our country, he
Sorry about being inacurate enough to get the engine sizewrong, I was writing from memory, I was actually quoting from a book that collected27 of the 50+ mechanic and newspaper reviews done on this guy's engine mod. The book reprint online can be found here:
The solvent effect is interesting.Perhaps keeping the injector cleanis the benefit? But I thought that modern diesel had detergents and
such included in it to do this.
Honestly I don't know, I'm just going by the biodiesel used in a
non-native environment will remove engine buildup that can clog
I couldnt have put it better myself
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peace activist gets $11,700 bill
Thats because our
Just seen this on our BBC TV channel every 800 miles travelled by a jumbo
jet dumps 28 tons of CO2 into the atmosphere. Chris
Wessex Ferret Club
www.wessexferretclub.co.uk
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I have no problem with turbodiesels, just wondering why that design won
out over supercharging.
A supercharger can use up to 20bhp of an engines output and turbos are
cheaper to make. Chris.
Wessex Ferret Club
www.wessexferretclub.co.uk
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Where can I buy a still that can produce fuel grade ethanol (190 proof)?
I have read that the charles 803 is a poor still and I have no
access to anyone knowledgable enough to build a good enough still
without accurate plans. I could possibly pay someone to build one
if I knew exactly what to
Hello Jeromie
I have heard that
bd tends to carbonize in the injectors.
I wonder where you heard that. It's not true, as many research
reports and many millions of miles of on-road use have shown. There's
more than 20 years of experience with biodiesel, major car
manufacturers warranty their
Where can I buy a still that can produce fuel grade ethanol (190 proof)?
I have read that the charles 803 is a poor still
It does work, sort of, but it doesn't do what its promoters claim for
it. They claim 5-7 gallons per hour of 180-190-proof ethanol, but
it'll only do about 3 gallons per
Hello everybody,
If my knowledge of ethanol-water fractionation data serves me correctly, you cannot get 190proof alcohol by fractional distillation of alcohol-water mixture.Onlyup to170-180 proof which could be used for E85 cars. To get 100% alcohol try extraction with castor oil of fermented
so I'm a skeptic. you can believe in the boogie man if you wish. And a
comment for future
reference. I find it mildly disconcerting the you plant my name in the subject
line. I know that I
am trying to talk about chemtrails and your trying to talk about me, but let's
please keep the
I can only speak as one person in a group of thousands of alternate
fuelers, I came to this list earlier this Summer thinking ethanol and
stills but listening to the difficulties in that process compared to
biodiesel processing made me change everything I was planning.
Although I am a rusty
Better yet just install a large magnet on the front bumper. I've heard
magnets are amazing.
John Donahue wrote:
Its much easier to just install 6" taller tires on the rear axel, that
way you will be going down hill all the time.
You'll get like 800mpg that way
Jeromie Reeves wrote:
Michael Redler wrote:
Right-on Todd.
There have been REAL discussions on the disposal radioactive
waste in any number of consumer products, in trace amounts.
The most recent example of this I have heard about is a proposal to add
nuclear waste in small amounts to the
no comments here just want out of the limelight so to speak
Joe Street wrote:
Michael Redler wrote:
Right-on Todd.
There have been REAL discussions on the disposal radioactive waste in
any number of consumer products, in trace amounts.
The most recent example of this I have
Even if it were true the chances of it being very slim, you have to
consider how it could be accomplished. One would have to have access
to jet fuel supplies which are controlled and regularly tested. Not
easy. But supposing that as a given, now you have to add your
chemicals at some point
http://gizmonaut.net/bits/suspect.html
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Greetings Manickh
Hello everybody,
If my knowledge of ethanol-water fractionation data serves me
correctly, you cannot get 190proof alcohol by fractional
distillation of alcohol-water mixture.
Maximum 96% by distillation, 192-proof, then it stops because of
azeotropism. The boiling
There you go again Bob,
you can believe in the boogie man if you wish.
It's not a matter of believing in the boogie man or not. It's a matter
of not turning a blind eye to what members of my species are perfectly
capable of doing, have repeatedly done and far too often are willing to do.
I guess interpreting the evidence is up to the individual. I, for one,
have chosen or have been convinced that there is indeed global warming.
OTOH, I don't believe drinking cow's milk will keep you from getting
osteoporosis. I have looked at the evidence and come to a different
conclusion
Honestly I don't know, I'm just going by the biodiesel used in a
non-native environment will remove engine buildup that can clog fuel filters
easily statement. With any luck at all, I'll have some really good
emissions testing to share w/i a few months.
Correct me if I'm wrong, basing this
So I guess it's crazy to think of moving to OZ? Nuts. I guess it's
Canada, then.
Darryl West wrote:
I couldn’t have put it better myself
*From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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True, there is no proof of global warming. But my roommate said it
well last night while we were watching the scare coverage of Rita on
Fox news. He said that he was willing to admit that it was possible
that it could be just cyclical variations in hurricane patterns and
not global warming, if
Uh, Keith, hate to step in here but it works by binary fusion not fission.
You're going to give
people the wrong idea.
Also, where's my link?
It works by 'binary fission' with additional vigour, by maximising
combustion efficiency. Sounds great, think I'll buy some. Dammit,
where's my
lest we're confused here, I am not skeptical about the reality of global
warming. I became entangled in this thread via chemtrails The globe
is certainly warming and to deny anthropogenic influences is difficult
at best.
Mike Weaver wrote:
I guess interpreting the evidence is up to the
I'm still trying to get to the sites listed in this post. is everyone
else able to get to them? Just trying to go to http://images.jsc.nasa.gov/
times out.
doug swanson
Jerry Eyers wrote:
What did the photos show?
In the late 1960's, it was a beautiful blue sphere,
clear atmoshpere,
I was being sarcastic here. Sorry. I was referring to the fact there isn't very many supercharged diesels out there. The only difference (efficiency wise) between a turbo and a supercharger is the psi and speed at which it will produce it. Superchargers are usually slower at speed then the turbos
The architects Atelier Ten had designed a cooling system based on the
galleries of a termite mound. By installing a concrete labyrinth in
the foundations, they could keep even a large building in a hot place
- such as the arts center that they had built in Melbourne - at a
constant temperature
http://www.tompaine.com/articles/20050921/more_blood_less_oil.php
More Blood, Less Oil
Michael T. Klare
September 21, 2005
Michael T. Klare is the professor of Peace and World Security Studies
at Hampshire College and the author, most recently, of Blood and Oil:
The Dangers and Consequences
http://www.tompaine.com/articles/20050920/sun_rising_over_new_orleans.php
Sun Rising Over New Orleans
John F. Wasik
September 20, 2005
John F. Wasik writes for Bloomberg News and is the author of the
upcoming book, Merchant of Power: Samuel Insull, Thomas Edison and
the Creation of the
I was serious though, the list could start an initiative here,
members willing, but it'll have to be specific or nothing will
happen.
Everyone seems to be bandwagoning New Orleans, including Haliburton
et al, and on the other hand there've been quite a few biofuelers
involved in various
I have built this still for producing spirits but it can be use to distill
about anything, I have not tryed yet but should work well for methonal
recovery.
http://www.moonshine-still.com
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From:
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To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Thursday,
The UN declaration of a right to protect people from their
governments is a millennial change.
And from their corporations? Not that the corporations are theirs
any more than their governments are theirs. - K
http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,1573765,00.html
Guardian
Jerry Eyers wrote:
Sorry about being inacurate enough to get the engine size wrong, I was
writing from memory, I was actually quoting from a book that
collected 27 of the 50+ mechanic and newspaper reviews done on this
guy's engine mod.
I forgive you. You'll find a LOT of very
I tested some biodiesel after processing it by treating it as new
virgin oil and some additional glycerine dropped out. My questions are-
Do I use 10% methanol and 3.5 g NaOH/liter per JTF to reprocess?
Won't that cause washing problems because of the additional NaOH
causing an
Brian Rodgers wrote:
Want to see a totally amazing gas engine
mod? Take a look at Robert's Hydrogen supercharged gas Ranger.
http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/
Woah, Brian! As much as I'd LOVE to take credit for that, the
hydrogen modifications were done by the Xerox company, not
Trevon Kollars wrote:
I was being sarcastic here. Sorry. I was referring to the fact there
isn't very many supercharged diesels out there. The only difference
(efficiency wise) between a turbo and a supercharger is the psi and
speed at which it will produce it.
My supercharger
Try www.omega.com for stainless heater elements.
Joe
Zeke Yewdall wrote:
How about standard water heater elements? You might be able to get
stainless steel ones for the higher quality tanks, or if not, the
cheap ones are only about $10, so replace them every 10 batches or
something. I
So again the BBC presents information for shock value, without putting
it in perspective.
Looking at a Boeing 777-200LR the fuel consumption is:
Fuel consumption in 800 miles is about 24,000lb of fuel
300Lb/Fuel/Seat/3000 Miles. (Boeing spec)
That is 10
I've recently acquired a
1982 Mercedes 300SD. It is clean, rust-free, and very well maintained, but has
never run on BD.
Could someone familiar
with Mercedes of this vintage comment on my checklist of things to
do:
-Remove in-tank fuel
screen (Car alreadyhas a prefilter and a fuel
Ok, so that's a pretty good answer on the cetane question, anyone know
anything about the diesel additive method of avoiding diesel taxes?
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Still very cool mods there Robert. I know that it takes so much time
to do the type of thing you are working on with your Ranger and then
on top of that documenting the whole process, wow. Great job.
I was a bit confused about the supercharger and reference to hydrogen,
sorry about that.
Do you
hope everyone understands
Thompson, Mark L. (PNB RD) wrote:
So again the BBC presents information for shock value, without putting
it in perspective.
Looking at a Boeing 777-200LR the fuel consumption is:
Fuel consumption in 800 miles is about 24,000lb of fuel
Aren't there tax credits for biodiesel fuel (in the US at least) that
would negate the effects of having to pay taxes?
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Ok, so that's a pretty good answer on the cetane question, anyone know
anything about the diesel additive method of
Hello Tom,
it seems that you have done
everything right, maybe with the exeption that you should have proper tools in
the trunk for changing filters if necesarry. But I doubt that you will need them
though, assuming that your BD is of high quality.
Best of luck to you !
Jan
-
I just started using B100 in a 1984 Mitsubishi diesel. Similar
vintage, although different design.
Why remove the in-tank fuel screen? I think the gunk that biodiesel
dissolves is usually much smaller particles than will clog this screen
(someone else correct me if I'm wrong), and you loose
Well that's probably what the chemicals that they are dispersing are
supposed to achieve ;-)
bob allen wrote:
hope everyone understands
Thompson, Mark L. (PNB RD) wrote:
So again the BBC presents information for shock value, without putting
it in perspective.
Looking at a
Mark.
I *completely* agree with your overall point. However, the pedant in me
needs to point out that the 777 is engineered with fuel consumption in mind.
What do the numbers look like for an older 737 or MD-80?
jh
Thompson, Mark L. (PNB RD) wrote:
So again the BBC presents information for
Hmm... I can't reach them today either. Just go to any nasa sight, and search for apollo pictures of the earth, then search for space shuttle pictures of the earth.
Jerry
---Original Message---
From: des
Date: 09/22/05 10:51:36
To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Subject: Re:
Here is a clip for Smokey if you're interested: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smokey_Yunick
A little bit on the carburetor for the lamen: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carburetor
Even though he liked to "cheat", I like him because of his vision and application, which is why I said "I hope this
Patrick.
I live in Wisconsin and have been using E10 for almost two decades in all of my
gasoline powered vehicles.
I worked at a Ford and Chrysler dealership in the service department during the
'80's and earliy '90's. Both vehicle manufacturers modified their products'
fuel systems to
Anyway, I am sorry if I have cause hate and discontent.
I think you're misunderstanding. Calling you into accountability for
accuracy does NOT imply hatred or discontent. Please be careful with
your facts in the future!
snip
No need to be careful just to inspire.
Yes there is. It takes both
Hi Mike
Uh, Keith, hate to step in here but it works by binary fusion not
fission.
Oh. That sounds rude to me, are you sure that isn't rude? This is a
family list you know.
You're going to give
people the wrong idea.
But isn't that the plan?
Also, where's my link?
:-) I'll forward your
Hi Darryl
Darryl McMahon wrote:
Oh, come on Keith! Everyone knows you can't get that kind of performance
improvement without magnets and hydrogen injection using on-board
splitting of
water based on zero-point energy.
They laughed at Einstein too. (But they laughed at the Marx Brothers
I just started using B100 in a 1984 Mitsubishi diesel. Similar
vintage, although different design.
Why remove the in-tank fuel screen? I think the gunk that biodiesel
dissolves is usually much smaller particles than will clog this screen
(someone else correct me if I'm wrong), and you loose
trinary fission
Stop! I have a patent on this!
Keith Addison wrote:
Hi Darryl
Darryl McMahon wrote:
Oh, come on Keith! Everyone knows you can't get that kind of performance
improvement without magnets and hydrogen injection using on-board
splitting of
water based
Aha. I stand corrected. Thinking about it more, I've actually had the
rust problem with a WVO setup on a schoolbus because we got a used
tank that was really rusty inside. We thought we had really dirty oil
because the canister filters were only lasting about 100 miles, but
after the tank was
Jeepers, as long as it is not that other Mike!
Binary fusion is a lot of fun, BTW. I don't know about the rest of you
but I don't let my kid read this list. Don't want her getting a bunch
of crazy ideas!
Keith Addison wrote:
Hi Mike
Uh, Keith, hate to step in here but it works by
Todd,
I reprocessed a 95L batch using 10% methanol and 3.5 g NaOH/liter as
per JTF.
I recall having the same question you pose re: the lye.
I simply followed the instructions given at JtF and slightly more than a
gallon of additional glycerine mix separated out. The reprocessed BD
Mike,
Coffee through the nose is not pleasent.
Also, I may have to charge you for a new keyboard. Mine is wet from the coffee.
fredOn 9/22/05, Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
trinary fissionStop!I have a patent on this!Keith Addison wrote:Hi DarrylDarryl McMahon wrote:Oh, come on
Mark,
Your conclusion below is inaccurate.
It compares a fully loaded vehicle (airliner) and the extrapolated fuel
economy per passenger to the fuel economy of a car with but one passenger.
Apples to apples, both vehicles need to be fully loaded when compared.
A fully loaded, 301 seat, Boeing
I think it's actually more accurate to compare each vehical in it's
most commonly filled state. At least the airplane usually has more
than one person in it... whereas most the cars I see here have one
person in them most of the time. All the people who I see driving to
work each morning, alone,
I've known Bruce McBurney, the fellow who runs himacresearch, for about 14
years now. He lives in Niagara Falls, Ontario, about 12-15 miles from me.
I regard him as a total flake. I suspect that the others whose exploits he
talks about, and whose literature he sells, are much the same.
Bruce told
I think it's actually more accurate to compare
each vehical in it's most commonly filled state.
Perhaps, to achieve real world passenger mile fuel economy averages,
presuming an average occupancy rate per vehicle could be achieved. No doubt
someone has done that somewhere. At least you can
Okay, in this case I take your point that with average occupancy rate
the jetta is more efficient. But it is also roughtly twice the mpg as
the average car in the US. So, I still think that 30 PMPG is more
realistic an average for car travel about the same as the
efficient airplane.
On
Not yet Zeke.
If the airline wants to tout it's highest fuel economy vehicle, so can
the ground transportation sector.
Using you're method you'd be giving an unfair leg up to the airline by
accepting their high fuel efficiency model but handicapping ground
transport by introducing an average
Thompson, Mark L. (PNB RD) wrote:
So again the BBC presents information for shock value, without putting
it in perspective.
Looking at a Boeing 777-200LR the fuel consumption is:
Fuel consumption in 800 miles is about 24,000lb of fuel
300Lb/Fuel/Seat/3000 Miles. (Boeing spec)
I have heard that trail transport of freight is only 20% the energy as
highway transport of freight, but can't remember the source right now.
Does anyone else remember seeing this?
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Thompson, Mark L. (PNB RD) wrote:
So again the BBC presents
Brian Rodgers wrote:
Still very cool mods there Robert. I know that it takes so much time
to do the type of thing you are working on with your Ranger and then
on top of that documenting the whole process, wow. Great job.
Thank you! It's been a long road, and I'm not finished yet.
Looking at a Boeing 777-200LR the fuel consumption is:
Fuel consumption in 800 miles is about 24,000lb of fuel
300Lb/Fuel/Seat/3000 Miles. (Boeing spec)
That is 10 miles/pound/seat of fuel
Or 68 mile/gallon/seat.
Compare that to your average car you don't even get close.
About 5% of
So, what is the fuel economy of the average airplanes, instead of the
efficient ones? I have no idea how different airplanes compare.
Speaking of emissions, what about using biodiesel in airplane engines.
I know that quite a few people are excited about the new compression
ignition airplane
Hello All,
I am forwarding this because clean food and responsible agriculture are
so dear to me. Please take a moment, and help protect our food supply
from Bush and corporate interests. Hoping this finds you well,
Jai Haissman
http://www.organicconsumers.org/sos.cfm
IMHO, the difference in the pictures are a
good evidence of cause of the warming. But also, I don't think that a
natural cycle would account for this. Even over 100 years. Good old
Mother Earth takes thousands of years to go through these cycles and this one is
happening a little too fast.
Na its not all that bad, although you have to wonder about what is happening
with free of speech and where things are heading. It kind of funny as I was
only in Iran the other week and chatting with someone about having the
freedom of choice...guess I could have been wrong.
-Original
well said, joe. this is the imo tragicdepth we have reached. not that this precludes the possibility of diabolical plans, however. the big wankers that run things are inflicting diabolical plans on us all the time (the existing status quo is itself a diabolical plan if there ever was one).
Hi All,
In shocked, shocked to hear that the market hasn´t taken care of this problem already.So some in industry are begging for regulations so they can compete. That high pitched whine is so hard on my ears,please give us laws because we can´t do things for ourselves. Hard driving captains
Hello Keith and all,
My earlier posting that 190 proof is not possible is not correct. I am sorry about this but the cost of fractional distillation will be relatively high as a lot of stages are required. I checked out toluene also. It is not listed as azeotrope forming and it scrambles the
No one is really talking on the record but the chatter has been around since
the pretzel incident.
IT AIN'T THE MOST REPUTABLE SOURCE, BUT THE SIGNS ARE ALL THERE.
EVEN MORE REASON TO BE SORRY FOR THE COUNTRY.
BUSH'S BOOZE
Greetings,
I have been suffering from a life attack the last few weeks and unable to
participate on the list. I do expect my power to go down tomorrow night
and not be up for at least a week. Will someone please stop my emails from
coming to my address for me? I know I am suppose to know how
Specs on the current model Boeing 747-400, 57,000 U.S. gallons fuel
capacity with 8,000 mile range so it gets something like 6-9 gallons a
mile. so lets say 8 gallons/mile, at around 8 pounds per gallon,= 65
pounds of fuel per mile...so it uses around 26 tons of fuel in 800
miles but
Hello everybody,
Here are two websites that cite ethyl acetate as auto fuel. Note the low price. I think it is viable now. Any comments on this suggestion would be welcome. Cheers
ManickhKeith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Greetings ManickhHello everybody,If my knowledge of ethanol-water
If you wish to learn what was said by those who offer their experience,
please google translation software and you can get some great help in
deciphering, as well as learn a great deal about linguistics of others
in the process. It does require some time but not like it used to.
I really have
Greetings everyone,
Got 2 references for use of ethyl acetate as auto fuel and octane boosting. I believe it will be better than ethanol since it is miscible with petrol and a lot easier to make and rectify, unlike ethanol. Sorry I forgot to include their url in previous mail. Cheers.
Manickh
Esperanto!
JJJN wrote:
If you wish to learn what was said by those who offer their experience,
please google translation software and you can get some great help in
deciphering, as well as learn a great deal about linguistics of others
in the process. It does require some time but not like
Would it be okay to use an old set of digital scales from weight watchers to
measure grams of LYE. I'm now sure it would be as accurate as a balance
scale.
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Thanks Zeke, Jan, and Keith for your quick
responses,
You have inspired me to fill it up with
homebrewed
biodiesel. After all that's what I got if for.
Tom
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That's kind of what I had gathered just from reading the book. The fact that while making wonderful high mileage claims he was unable (or unwilling) to produce any working diagrams, and that as best as I could tell, you would essentially be driving a rolling bomb. By superheating the fuel
Hi All,
Thanks for the replies... The reason why I'm a little bit hesitant is well mainly because the info drive here in Manila is not that good and second some unscrupulous business men before are selling unleaded gas (prior to E10) that has water in it. That's a real bummer but now they are at
Hi Mike,
Thanks for the reply, my dillenma is this, my new car is a Toyota but they only sell that model (Toyota Vios) in South East Asia which I believe is new to Ethanol fuel. My owner's manual doesn't say there that it is E10 compatible, it only tells me to use a 91RON and up unleaded fuel
Maximum 96% by distillation, 192-proof, then it stops because of
azeotropism. The boiling temperature of 96% ethanol is lower than
that of pure ethanol. snip
With respect Keith, but if I'm not wrong, the boiling point of 96% is higher
than that of pure ethanol. At that percentage the boiling
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