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Hier, très bon sujet sur l'huile végétale carburant au JT de 20h sur
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Hi,
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Hi,
I have just put my first tank of BioDiesel made from WVO into my Toyota
Landcruiser 4.2 Turbo Diesel.
My initial impression is that where the car used to produce black smoke
due to slight over fuelling under hard acceleration it now doesn't
produce much smoke at all with the biodiesel
Ken,
to avoid the tube bending business you canuse a plate heat exchanger -
more compact but if DIY you have to do some welding. Cut two equally
sizedpieces of *thin* stainless steel plate. Make about twodimples
about 2 mm deep on every square 10 cm of the platewith a ball-peen(sp?)
hammer
Hi,
Any one in the group has converted a Toyota Starlet to run on SVO ? I read reviews about this car,
good reviews for city drive. I plan to install a conversion kit to run on SVO (Pongamia).
BTW, I could not find specs for the engine or the car. I'm getting this for INR 2,00,000 ( ~ $4600)
It
Hello Tom,
Hi Keith and all,
You mentioned in a previous thread that you liked castor beans as an
oil seed crop.
You're in Uruguay, right? In Chile, castor bean is a serious weed. It
grows extremely fast, reaching over two meters height and diameter
within 8 months. If you have moisture,
Watching national geographic? I thought it was a written
publication. Maybe a result of my not owning a TV...
On 9/26/05, Rexis Tree [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Even national geographic predicted that a hurricane in New Orleans will be
devastating one whole damn year ago. Unfortunately most
Kjell,
I will certainly give this a try for my own purposes, it seems simple
enough. But, I can operate a TIG and have access to one.
Unfortunately, a TIG welder and the associated experience are not
widely spread. I do want to keep this project as Appropriate as
possible. So, I'm trying to
No, the company that manufactures Red Devil has discontinued it. Anything
you are getting at the store is surplus and will in time run out.
Bobby
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Maybe I'm losing my mind but I swear I used to have a kit w/ different
head and a long bar that I used to bend copper pipe. I remember it as being
very cheap (under 100.00 USD) at someplace like Norther Tool or Harbor
Freight. Of cource I haven't done any plumbing in over 20 years - maybe
the
OTOH,
I think we in the home-brew community need to be alert for any movement
on the part of the big trap grease companies to do just this.
I believe they will start to feel threatened and make collection of WVO
difficult by.
1. Having it legislated as a hazardous material
2. WVO will require
Mike,
the bending is not the problem so much as bending a tube inside a tube
without the inner tube flattening out or kinking. Though, the more I
think about it, the inner tube, being smaller than the outter tube
will be less likely to kink than the outter purely by smaller diameter
and tighter
I also noticed that the black smoke
is gone on my 79 300TD, but I am using 50 WVO/50 dyno. I can't make
it smoke now.___
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Hmm...what if you centered the smaller tube and held it in place with
spacers, wax would work, and then filled it with fine grain sand, then
bent it?
let me know how it goes...
-Mike
Ken Dunn wrote:
Mike,
the bending is not the problem so much as bending a tube inside a tube
without the
Ken, why not use straight tubes (if you have the space), one tube
length (20 feet?) in one direction and the next tube length running
back? You could put your three (four?) tubes into each other both ways
and have a U-bend and some interconnections in the far end. You get all
the in- and output in
Hey Ken;
Liquids are almost uncompressable. Fill the tube with water and put a
cap on each end with a compression fitting (swagelok etc) (underwater
of course no bubbles allowed - you could probaly fill the tube and then
tilt it up at one end and tape a bag around it with the tube poked
Hi Zeke,
Yes, wirh cable or direct TV, there are actually 4 or 5 channels that are worth watching. Of course there are about a hundred channels so 95% unusable manure. Being a history buff I also like the history channel. There's some good shows on hallmark and discovery but it's still pretty
On 9/27/05, Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hmm...what if you centered the smaller tube and held it in place with
spacers, wax would work, and then filled it with fine grain sand, then
bent it?
I'm sure it would, I think someone had already mentioned a similar
technique. I think I'd
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Oil price falls as Houston refining hub escapes Hurricane Rita's wrathBy Finfacts TeamSep 26, 2005, 06:38
Crude oil, petrol/gasoline and heating oil prices fell after refineries near Houston escaped a direct hit from
Hi Andres,
Castor beans grow wild here in Uruguay as well. I have some deep seated childhood memories of castor oil as an emetic. Just the smell makes me gag. I'll use it with a mask if I can find no other source but it is kind of a last resort material for me. The yields are good though and
If the goal is to keep it simple, do two things differently than you are contemplating:
1 - make your heat exchanger by putting multiple loops of coiled copper in a polypropylene tank - at most you will need soldering skill if you want to break up a 3/4 or 1" flow into multiple 1/2" coils (surface
On 9/27/05, Kjell Löfgren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Ken, why not use straight tubes (if you have the space), one tube
length (20 feet?) in one direction and the next tube length running
back? You could put your three (four?) tubes into each other both ways
and have a U-bend and some
2 - use a drain down open system instead of glycol. This allows you to
use water everywhere. A pump (not a circulator) pumps the water up to your
rooftop collectors when the system senses available heat (standard, cheap
solar differential controls) and gravity drains it down when the system
I'm a bit squimish in killing animals, too. I was raised as a city
boy. I was giving thought to lethal injection with potassium chloride
solution. Pigs and humans have lots of similarities. It's worth a question
to the local vet.
Why eat animals then? Eating meat is a rather inefficient
Hi Keith,
Thanks for the information.
Tom Irwin
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Hello,
Still playing catch-up with the archives, but just noticed some talk
late august about high pressure hydrogen storage. It was poo-poo'ed as
unrealistic due to the enormous pressures (200 bar) involved, making it
unsaleable due to liability issues.
I'm currently driving, as are a few
Tom,
Does a drain down system simplify anything other than the heat
exchanger and eliminate the use of glycol? Or course, you're adding
the drain down. It almost seems like a wash (there is a pun in there
somewhere, I'm sure). I would like to use my solar hot water for
space heating as well -
I can't kill anything anymore, except chickens. I hate chickens. But I
live live in the 'burbs so there are no chickens anyhow. My dad tells
stories of his chilhood in Arkansas and pig killing, which they did from
November - January. I'm pretty much a vegetarian anyhow these days.
Tom
Ken,
If you can use PVC pipe, your efficiency is very low to
start with. Normal PVC starts to soften at 60 degree C
and carbon reinforced ones at 95 degree C. The surface
temperatures in normal copper based solar panels can
be a few hundreds of degree C and it is always special
soldering in
On 9/27/05, Zeke Yewdall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If you are willing to use a pump instead of a circulator (much higher
power draw is the problem, if you are off grid), and take some care
in sloping pipes and collectors properly, it is a bit simpler. In
addition, you avoid the issue of
Recently (this spring I believe) Home Power Magazine had a series of
articles with nice diagrams of all the various solar hot water
systems, space heating and DHW, batch heating, closed loop, and open
loop systems. I'd recommend searching their archives, as these were
the easiest to understand
This is a well documented effect of biodiesel, and some emissions
testing places recommend filling up with biodiesel and trying again
when an old diesel won't meet emissions any more.
I don't enough about diesel engine combustion chemistry to explain why
it does this though. Perhaps due to
On 9/27/05, Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Ken,
If you can use PVC pipe, your efficiency is very low to
start with. Normal PVC starts to soften at 60 degree C
and carbon reinforced ones at 95 degree C. The surface
temperatures in normal copper based solar panels can
be a few hundreds
On 9/27/05, Zeke Yewdall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Recently (this spring I believe) Home Power Magazine had a series of
articles with nice diagrams of all the various solar hot water
systems, space heating and DHW, batch heating, closed loop, and open
loop systems. I'd recommend searching
Is there a way to balance the PH of the glycol to extend the life of
it? I knew that there is maintenance. I assumed I would have to
periodically flush and replace.
Hmmm. I'm not actually sure :) I know that it is recommended to
test it every two years, but no one actually said what to
You can actually buy C-PVC pipe for hot water piping here. Since the
heat exchanger is not going to be operating at over 90C or so, it
should work fine, except that it may be very difficult to get 100mm
diamter CPVC. Normally anything that large is drain pipe not hot
water supply, and will be
You could try ramming the whole lot, especially the space between the tubes,
full of fine wet sand. This should also work.
Simon
Mike,
the bending is not the problem so much as bending a tube inside a tube
without the inner tube flattening out or kinking. Though, the more I
think about
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Decades from now, when the toddlers who were corralled into the
putrefying Superdome have children of their own,
On 9/27/05, Zeke Yewdall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You can actually buy C-PVC pipe for hot water piping here. Since the
heat exchanger is not going to be operating at over 90C or so, it
should work fine, except that it may be very difficult to get 100mm
diamter CPVC. Normally anything that
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Zeke Yewdall wrote:
You can actually buy C-PVC pipe for hot water piping here. Since the
heat exchanger is not going to be operating at over 90C or so, it
should work fine, except that it may be very difficult to get 100mm
diamter CPVC. Normally anything that large is drain pipe not hot
water
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Andres,
It is a big difference between CNG and Hydrogen, at least in size.
Hydrogen is an escape artist, who can escape almost anything. LOL
Pure Hydrogen is much smaller and have higher escape velocity
and cannot be compared with CNG. Hydrogen also have lesser
energy content, so you must store
I keep getting people asking about the
Energy required to produce Bio-Diesel, (or biofuel, Ethanol or Bio-Diesel);
mainly thinking that it takes more energy to produce them than what you get in
return or what it takes to make it.
I know that with Ethanol the numbers
indicate about 1.7-1
Zeke,
I would not use PVC or C-PVC at all, if I wanted a long term solution
with a life span of more than a couple plus years. I used some spare
C-PVC in a watering system, with some small parts open to the air and
partially the sun. After 3-4 years they had hardened and started to crack.
This
On 9/27/05, Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It is the surface to the sun that is critical, so running C-PVC inside a
a large copper tube could work, but why would we like to do that?
Plastic is a very bad heat exchanger anyway, compared o copper.
C-PVC is usable up to 95 to 99 degree,
David M. Brockes wrote:
I keep getting people asking about the Energy required to produce
Bio-Diesel, (or biofuel, Ethanol or Bio-Diesel); mainly thinking that it
takes more energy to produce them than what you get in return or what it
takes to make it.
I know that with Ethanol the numbers
On 9/27/05, David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Isn't the gray plastic electrical conduit C-PVC? Check with your local
electrical shop rather than your home depot.
Is that safe for carrying drinking though? If so, that's a good lead.
I could always run my potable water through the heat
http://www.newscientist.com/channel/opinion/dn8044
New Scientist
US army plans to bulk-buy anthrax
24 September 2005
David Hambling
THE US military wants to buy large quantities of anthrax, in a
controversial move that is likely to raise questions over its
commitment to treaties designed to
Hello Keith
I'm a bd amateur embarking on the construction of a 55gal drum
processor(single-stage base method) and I like the idea of using a
stand-pipe in the processor and hold tank in order to minimize mixing
the by-product and biodiesel once its time for washing. You have
calculated your
Well, in this case, there is not supposed to be any heat transfer
through the PVC, so I wouldn't be worried about that. I agree that
metal would be better, it you can find some large diameter metal pipe
for cheap. What about just putting a coil of copper tubing in a big
metal trash can?
David,
I doubt it, since the plastic pipes are colored according to
a system and gray is normal PVC. I have also seen those
gray tubing exposed to the sun and the get discolored after
a while, with fine cracks on the surface. Since this electrical
tubing is an electrical insolation, it is no
I agree, the gray stuff is just normal PVC, except that I think it has
flame retardant added for electrical conduit. Darker colors will also
hold up to the sun somewhat better, but obviously not perfectly.
On 9/27/05, Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
David,
I doubt it, since the plastic
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On 9/27/05, Zeke Yewdall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Well, in this case, there is not supposed to be any heat transfer
through the PVC, so I wouldn't be worried about that. I agree that
metal would be better, it you can find some large diameter metal pipe
for cheap. What about just putting a
Ken,
If it is a pure heat exchanger, you need more than double the surface
for plastic, than for metal. This apart from the possible defects that
can develop in plastics. If it is only the housing of 2 heat exchange loops,
why not use a steel drum, with copper tubing for the two loops. The
cost
PS,
Do not forget to insulate the steel drum well and maybe enhance the
looks that way.
Hakan
At 22:03 27/09/2005, you wrote:
Ken,
If it is a pure heat exchanger, you need more than double the surface
for plastic, than for metal. This apart from the possible defects that
can develop in
Hello Marc
Hello Keith
I'm a bd amateur embarking on the construction of a 55gal drum
processor(single-stage base method) and I like the idea of using a
stand-pipe in the processor and hold tank in order to minimize mixing
the by-product and biodiesel once its time for washing.
It works well.
On 9/27/05, Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If it is only the housing of 2 heat exchange loops,
This is the purpose. I won't be using any plastic-like material to
exchange heat. Sorry, if I didn't make that completely evident.
why not use a steel drum, with copper tubing for the two
John,
Thank you for the information and link...what a super resource. Best to all.
DB
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Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2005 1:23 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] New question on oil seed crops and ley farming
On Tuesday, September 27, 2005, at 03:32 PM, Mike Weaver wrote:
I can't kill anything anymore, except chickens. I hate chickens. But I
live live in the 'burbs so there are no chickens anyhow. My dad tells
stories of his chilhood in Arkansas and pig killing, which they did
from
November -
Hi Zeke,
On Tuesday, September 27, 2005, at 03:13 PM, Zeke Yewdall wrote:
Why eat animals then? Eating meat is a rather inefficient method of
converting sunlight into food anyway. In a sustainble farm they are
necessary for fertilizer, and to convert low grade food stocks not
edible by
Andres Yver wrote:
I feel that if i'm to eat meat, i should kill the animal myself. Keeps
everything in perspective.
I do this with fish. Generally I don't eat meat, but once a year I
go to the river with my boys. We pull salmon out of the water, I
thank God for protecting each
If it was so easy, as you say, why it is such an expensive development
hunt, to try to find suitable and economical storage solutions?
Hakan
Hakan
I actually agree with alot of your reply, that storing hydrogen is
significantly harder than natural gas. However, I think that the main
issue,
Keith Addison posted an article which said:
Although the Sterne strain is not thought to be harmful to humans and
is used for vaccination, the contracts have caused major concern.
So the ability to grow this a non-lethal strain to make a vaccine that
could save thousands or tens of thousands
Hi Tom,
On Tuesday, September 27, 2005, at 02:53 PM, Tom Irwin wrote:
Hi Andres,
Castor beans grow wild here in Uruguay as well. I have some deep
seated childhood memories of castor oil as an emetic. Just the smell
makes me gag. I'll use it with a mask if I can find no other source
Zeke,
We have the same starting point, but I cannot understand why
we should insist on using a difficult energy carrier with considerable
risks in conversion and storage. This when we have several other
development options with energy sources that at the same time are
energy carriers, like
Yes, there are legitimate and good purposes to all of their plans.
But based on history I think we can trust the US DOD to ignore the
uses you have pointed out which could save lives, and focus on killing
people.
On 9/27/05, John Hayes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Keith Addison posted an article
Hello Hakan,
On Tuesday, September 27, 2005, at 04:03 PM, Hakan Falk wrote:
Andres,
It is a big difference between CNG and Hydrogen, at least in size.
Hydrogen is an escape artist, who can escape almost anything. LOL
True. 200 bar of hydrogen is not the same as 200 bar of CNG. AFAIK, the
Hello Robert,
On Tuesday, September 27, 2005, at 05:28 PM, robert luis rabello wrote:
Andres Yver wrote:
I feel that if i'm to eat meat, i should kill the animal myself. Keeps
everything in perspective.
I do this with fish. Generally I don't eat meat, but once a year I
go to the
I think we can assume it's already a success:
*Big, Easy Iraqi-Style Contracts Flood New Orleans
http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=05/09/23/1338250
*
* Disaster Capitalism In New Orleans
*http://www.rense.com/general67/disad.htm
*
*Halliburton's role in reconstruction in the Gulf
John,
I think that your arguments are strong and that this is a no
win issue.
Assume that the reasons are pure defence and concerns
about the citizens of the world, then this facility is absolute
necessary to do so.
Assume that the real reasons are to develop an anthrax weapon
and at the same
Andres,
Then we agree, because I can see some values for hydrogen
as stationary storage solutions for the Grid.
I think that hydrogen for transport is a dead duck and a very
bad idea, when resources are needed and should be spent on
more viable solutions.
Hakan
At 23:27 27/09/2005, you wrote:
Halliburton Gets Contract To Pry Gold Fillings From New Orleans Corpses'
Teeth
http://www.theonion.com/content/node/40525rss=1
What a day when the spoof articles are no less believable than the
real ones.
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Hakan wrote:
snip
I think that hydrogen for transport is a dead duck and a very
bad idea, when resources are needed and should be spent on
more viable solutions.
China is making a big push for hydrogen vehicles. A relative of a
Chinese friend of mine is in charge of preparing for all China's
I agree that from a pollution issue, hydrogen fuel cell vehicals are
much better than biodiesel, but for now (and probably for the next 15
years at least), biodiesel makes much more sense -- mainly because we
could fully transition in probably 5 years if we really tried. By
then, the hydrogen
Hi Andres,
Snip
I've lived here since 1998. I've seen one fairly bad drought. The rest of the time the moisture is pretty much what I would expect. I've giving some thought about putting a cistern in to have a couple of months worth of water in storage. The groundwater here is real good once
Hi All,
The relevant point here is that anthrax as a weapon falls into the
MAD (mutually assured destruction) category and has potentially more
long-lasting harmful effects than the A-bomb. In 1939 at the start of WW2
British scientists testing the life span of anthrax sprayed it on a
John,
And a knife can be used to cut up veggies for dinner
or it could be used to stab someone. A car can take
you to work or mow down a car full of pedestrians.
An Xray machine can find your cavities or deliver a
lethal dose. We're talking about a tool here, nothing
more. Tools may enable
Andres Yver wrote:
Perhaps the sockeye died after spawning? They do that.
They don't spawn in the deep part of the river. They don't spawn in
someone's man made cleaning basin. By the time they spawn, salmon are
usually fairly beat up and starting to decay from the head back.
(I've
The reality is if the DOD wanted to cover it up it be a Black Op and
the components would be purchased under 50 different departments and the
CDC would be buying all the controversial stuff.
Remember the F-117 and B2 were build by 10's of thousands of people,
costing 10's of billions, and not
Greetings,
I too kill my own animals, we put their names on the package of meat and
remember them when we eat them, giving thanks for their life
energies. Even the Dali Lama is only vegetarian half the time, as the
stress of traveling weakens him too much on a strict vegetarian diet. Many
of
My wife and I saw the film Constant Gardener last night and would highly
recommend it to all citizens of the world. The film, starring Ralph
Fiennes, is based on the Le Carre book of the same name, and is about how
the western drug companies use Africa as a testing ground for their
experimental
hi all,
ihave been reading the JtF pages once again,
and i noticed a statement that glycerol was a 'simple sugar'. if this is
true, could it be used in ethanol production, or is the harsh chemical content
too high for yeast, even after separating and reclamation? what kind of
treatment
Hi
I have been following this thread. My plan for the heat exchange
between the solar collector and the potable hot water system is to
modify a discarded gas fired Polaris hotwater heater. The tank of this
hotwater heater is made of stainless. I have pulled out all the gas
burner guts out
I thought I would pass this on to all who are in the Houston area.
Bright Blessings,
Kim
*Texas*
*2nd Annual Houston Renewable Energy Group Tour*
*Taking Place In: *Houston and surrounding area
*Tour Date: *October 30, 2005 1-5pm
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If I may I would like to breach a very complex subject.
The Natural Gas Company where I am employed had a speaker at a
leadership conference that breached a very interesting subject. The
twist of the presentation was how can corporations cope with future
youth values and population spirals
Glycerol ferments extremely well in the presence of botulimum toxin.
Also, someone mentioned recently that a fractious addition of glycerol
to an anaerobic digester increased its output.
Todd Swearingen
Jason and Katie wrote:
hi all,
i have been reading the JtF pages once again, and i
Keith Addison posted an article which said:
Although the Sterne strain is not thought to be harmful to humans and
is used for vaccination, the contracts have caused major concern.
So the ability to grow this a non-lethal strain to make a vaccine that
could save thousands or tens of thousands
http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=2677
Disappearing Antiwar Protests
Media shrug off mass movement against war
9/27/05
Hundreds of thousands of Americans around the country protested the
Iraq War on the weekend of September 24-25, with the largest
demonstration bringing between 100,000 and
Ken,
do not use PVC for drinking water, the softener DEHP in the PVC
material is slowly leaking out and there is also other nonhealthy stuff
(chlorine!) in PVC.
Personally I would put my ? (or whatever) on stainless steel, 18/8
sounds nice to me, almost beautiful...
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