Re: [Biofuel] I am Not A Christian-was This isn't the real America, by JC
Good points Todd; I don't want to get a religious debate going here but could one go as far as to say that all organized religion is a hijacking of the truth regardless of who is doing it and what thier particular agenda is? I make a huge distinction between spirituality and religion. I am not religious but I am spiritual. Joe Appal Energy wrote: Actually Marylynn, It's all rather simple for those who tend to bend in the direction of Christendom. All that really needs to be asked is WWJD? Who would Jesus bomb? Who would Jesus execute? Who would Jesus stone? Where would Jesus drill? Would Jesus drill? Would Jesus seek alternatives? Would Jesus think beyond quarterly profits? Again, all rather simple. Anything contrary to that certainly isn't Christendom. And oddly enough? People are starting to wake up and take notice that their religion has been hijacked. Not really much different and perhaps no different at all than Islam being hijacked by an equally select few. Am I the only one who finds the parallels all too remarkable? Todd Swearingen My karma ran over your dogma. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Success! I think..
Sounds good Kurt but you need to take a liter of your hooch and treat it as virgin oil and see if any reaction happens with methoxide. Joe Kurt Nolte wrote: Right, so, I think I may be successful here! Have a batch that I mixed up a few days ago, using a modified for local materials version of the Test Batch processor on the site. Good clean separation of the two layers when I let it settle in a translucent HDPE container. (I have a dozen of them now... I love working in the restaurant industry!). Took 20mL of the top layer, 20mL of room temperature water, stuck them in a 50mL vial, and proceeded to shake the crap out of it. Shook it up like that for a good 7-10 minutes, enough that I was positively certain everything was really mingling about and getting social in there. Set it up on top of the desk shelf over the computer, and set the timer for ten minutes, fifteen minutes, and thirty minutes. Ten minutes passed, and there was visible separation. Cloudy water on the bottom, a kinda thickish white layer in the middle, and amber-yellow non-hazy liquid at the top. Fifteen, and the layer in the middle was quite almost gone. After thirty, it's only barely thicker than paper thin. However, there is a band of hazy amber-yellow liquid on top of it; it's thin too. Is this normal? So, have I done it, or do I still need to tweak? Peace -Kurt ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] I am Not A Christian-was This isn't the real America, by JC
Appal Energy wrote: Robert, Well, actually, it isn't supposed to be a Christian country. And it's supposed to not be that by design. The Constitution specifically prohibits the establishment of religion, so the whole debate in R^3 circles about dominion and the United States functioning as an agent of God on earth is not only ludicrous, it's moot. As for what is Christendom and what isn't? It becomes apparent that there are two Christs, at least if persons professing Christianity are any indicator. That's a pretty unreliable standard, Todd. I prefer to examine the evidence of attitude and behavior and make a judgment accordingly. Being a Christian involves self sacrifice and love. The self serving, hateful attitudes trumpeted as Christian are, quite simply, anti-Christian. But then again, to paraphrase a great thinker from the age of enlightenment, I think. Therefore I could be wrong. : ) !!! We would serve ourselves very well if we (as in all) returned to that place with some frequency in the pursuit of social order, rather than letting a select few dismantle the fabric of what could be a perfectly good country evidencing continual improvement rather increasing decay. On this we agree. The R^3 crowd has been indoctrinated to believe that they are carrying out the will of God in imposing their view of morality on the rest of us. You and I stand shoulder to shoulder in our opposition to them. robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] oil seed feedstock
keith, i have been following you now for about a year i started collecting used vegtable oil and have itsitting everywhere. i have made a couple small test batchesand have my plans to thecleaner and processor in my head and am waiting for things to slow down to build the this winter in here in pawnee oklahoma. thanks for your web site and sharing all the information with us. i am a farmer, who went to aircraft school because farming would not pay the bill when i was out of high school. i now live here in oklahoma on a farm and work on tractors and equiptment and have a parts dealership for farm tractors. i found some oil seed presses. the oil seed press is not real effective and does not remove all the oil. what i wanted to know is if i planted soil seed crops and ran them through the press could i then ferment them for alcohol beforei fed them because alcohol is based on the starch? this would alow me to get the most i could from the crop. what plant would give the best oil and be most benificial for feedstock for hogs and cattle? are their any biofuel events coming up in ok,ka,ar or northern tx? thanks keith i enjoy your journey to forever and plan on building many things over the next couple years, starting with a biofuel processor and methane digester inside a compost pilefor hot water and gas thanks dusty dallas [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] oil seed feedstock
Dusty, I am in Russellville AR, about 4 or 5 hours from you. I will be doing another homescale biodiesel workshop in January. You are welcome to join us if you want to drive that far. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: keith, i have been following you now for about a year i started collecting used vegtable oil and have it sitting everywhere. i have made a couple small test batches and have my plans to the cleaner and processor in my head and am waiting for things to slow down to build the this winter in here in pawnee oklahoma. thanks for your web site and sharing all the information with us. i am a farmer, who went to aircraft school because farming would not pay the bill when i was out of high school. i now live here in oklahoma on a farm and work on tractors and equiptment and have a parts dealership for farm tractors. i found some oil seed presses. the oil seed press is not real effective and does not remove all the oil. what i wanted to know is if i planted soil seed crops and ran them through the press could i then ferment them for alcohol before i fed them because alcohol is based on the starch? this would alow me to get the most i could from the crop. what plant would give the best oil and be most benificial for feedstock for hogs and cattle? are their any biofuel events coming up in ok,ka,ar or northern tx? thanks keith i enjoy your journey to forever and plan on building many things over the next couple years, starting with a biofuel processor and methane digester inside a compost pilefor hot water and gas thanks dusty dallas [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Bob Allen http://ozarker.org/bob Science is what we have learned about how to keep from fooling ourselves — Richard Feynman ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] FW: Important, Congress set to gut renewable energy programs
Title: Re: Important, Congress set to gut renewable energy programs Follow-up. David -Original Message-From: Bob Anderson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 3:32 PMSubject: Re: Important, Congress set to gut renewable energy programsImportance: HighIve just returned from a meeting at NREL (where I am a small contractor). The lab expects a 40% cut in the Wind Powering America program.Bob AndersonOn 11/16/05 1:45 PM, "Van Jamison" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FYI- Original Message - From: Patrick Judge mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 7:50 AMSubject: Fwd: Important, Congress set to gut renewable energy programsCongress to Terminate National Bioenergy CenterCongress is getting ready this week to terminate the National BioenergyResearch Center and gut the Wind Research Program at the National RenewableEnergy Laboratory (NREL). NREL researchers who are CRES members sounded thealarm over the weekend after finding out on Friday that many of them may beout of work next month.Here is what I can piece together about what happened last week. On Tuesdaythe House of Representatives passed the House and Senate ConferenceCommittee markup of the Energy Water and Development Appropriation Bill for2006. The bill keeps federal funding for renewable energy research levelwith last year's spending.Unfortunately, it more than doubled the earmarks that take money out of theWind Energy and Bioenergy Research Programs and direct it elsewhere.Earmarks are when individual representatives direct funding to particularprojects in their districts. With passage of the Energy Bill earlier thisyear, these earmarks have been in the forefront of the news. In fact, theAmerican Solar Energy Society said the Energy Bill was so full of porkbarrel spending that ASES did not endorse it.Congressional leaders usually wait until the conference committee is meetingbehind closed doors to introduce earmarks. They emerge as part of a muchlarger bill that is hundreds of pages long.It appears that in this case, the House of Representatives voted on thisbill without many ofits members having had time to read it.It took NREL staff a couple of days of read through the pile of paper andfigure out what it will mean for the research programs. Some of the earmarkswere listed together to support state initiatives, and others were buried indifferent portions of the massive spending bill. This year these added to$62 million in total, more than two thirds of the entire "research anddevelopment" budget for bioenergy. Then the staff had to calculate DOE'scontractual obligations to its industry partnerships and the 10% cut thatthe agency takes from all programs to pay the salaries of its staff.Staff of the National Bioenergy Center, which number more than 90 people,were told Friday afternoon that all that the funding that would be left wassufficient only to cover their severance checks. The National WindTechnology Center is facing similar, severe cutbacks. It seems incredible,but Congress is getting ready to gut the two research programs in renewableenergy technologies that have enjoyed the most success and commercialdevelopment just at a time when fossil fuel prices are their highest levelin history. In the case of creating transportation fuels from biomass, thesetechnologies represent our greatest near-term hope ofreducing imports or fossil fuels.The Senate is scheduled to take up the appropriations bill today ortomorrow. Please call Senators Allard and Salazar today and ask them to voteno on the appropriations bill from the Energy and Water Committee. Tell themthat renewable energy RD is one of this country's best investments.- Wayne Allard: call the Colorado office at 303-220-7414 or the Washingtonoffice at 202-224-5941, or send an email message at:http://allard.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=ContactHome- Ken Salazar: call the Colorado office at 303-455-7600 or the Washingtonoffice at 202-224-5852, or send an email message at:http://salazar.senate.gov/contact/email.cfmRuss Doty, CEONew World WindPower LLCPO Box 1734Billings, MT 59103-1734406-656-2763email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]web site: http://www.newworldwindpower.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] 2 articles -- hybrid vehicles - energy efficient computer
Kurt Nolte wrote: On 11/15/05, Chip Mefford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Snip I wonder about the actual environmental savings of replacing old vehicles with new, as opposed to, say, moving to alternative fuel sources, with a closer carbon cycle. What if you moved to a new vehicle designed to run best on alternative fuels? Then you are still creating demand for new vehicles, and all of the attendant resource extraction, consumption, and destruction that implies. Snip. An old, second or more hand, vehicle is already paid for in the resource extraction sense. Paid for with a credit card ;) but paid for. Demand for new vehicles on the other hand is resource debt not yet expended. Those features are nice, but they come at the expense of having to worry about increased maintenance, higher maintenance bills, less ability to do basic service yourself; in other words, they end up being more expensive, from what I've seen. More and more resource debts you keep incurring. Perhaps. I drove old crap for many years. Only bought 1 new car in my half a century here, and regretted it. I've since bought a newish car, a Subaru legacy outback, and at nearly 200K has been the most trouble free vehicle I've ever owned. These newer technologies *do* make for better vehicles, or rather, the argument can be rationally made. snip But that's just me. I believe firmly in the value of retrofitting. I hear ya. Peace -- -Kurt chipper. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] On the Destrutiveness of Corporate Power
Keith Addison's contribution of 11/15/05offersa timely and informative look at the worldwide destructiveness of the uncontrolled wielding of corporate power. For those who would like to explore this social aberration in greater depth, read Thom Hartmann's Unequal Protection: The Rise of Corporate Dominance and the Theft of Human Rights. Bob Adams, West Linn, OR ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Has anyone else heard anything about this???? Alert!!
Has anyone heard or seen anything about this?? Maybe time for some action if it is in fact true. David Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 7:50 AM Subject: Fwd: Important, Congress set to gut renewable energy programs Congress to Terminate National Bioenergy CenterCongress is getting ready this week to terminate the National BioenergyResearch Center and gut the Wind Research Program at the National RenewableEnergy Laboratory (NREL). NREL researchers who are CRES members sounded thealarm over the weekend after finding out on Friday that many of them may beout of work next month.Here is what I can piece together about what happened last week. On Tuesdaythe House of Representatives passed the House and Senate ConferenceCommittee markup of the Energy Water and Development Appropriation Bill for2006. The bill keeps federal funding for renewable energy research levelwith last year's spending.Unfortunately, it more than doubled the earmarks that take money out of theWind Energy and Bioenergy Research Programs and direct it elsewhere.Earmarks are when individual representatives direct funding to particularprojects in their districts. With passage of the Energy Bill earlier thisyear, these earmarks have been in the forefront of the news. In fact, theAmerican Solar Energy Society said the Energy Bill was so full of porkbarrel spending that ASES did not endorse it.Congressional leaders usually wait until the conference committee is meetingbehind closed doors to introduce earmarks. They emerge as part of a muchlarger bill that is hundreds of pages long.It appears that in this case, the House of Representatives voted on thisbill without many ofits members having had time to read it.It took NREL staff a couple of days of read through the pile of paper andfigure out what it will mean for the research programs. Some of the earmarkswere listed together to support state initiatives, and others were buried indifferent portions of the massive spending bill. This year these added to$62 million in total, more than two thirds of the entire "research anddevelopment" budget for bioenergy. Then the staff had to calculate DOE'scontractual obligations to its industry partnerships and the 10% cut thatthe agency takes from all programs to pay the salaries of its staff.Staff of the National Bioenergy Center, which number more than 90 people,were told Friday afternoon that all that the funding that would be left wassufficient only to cover their severance checks. The National WindTechnology Center is facing similar, severe cutbacks. It seems incredible,but Congress is getting ready to gut the two research programs in renewableenergy technologies that have enjoyed the most success and commercialdevelopment just at a time when fossil fuel prices are their highest levelin history. In the case of creating transportation fuels from biomass, thesetechnologies represent our greatest near-term hope ofreducing imports or fossil fuels.The Senate is scheduled to take up the appropriations bill today ortomorrow. Please call Senators Allard and Salazar today and ask them to voteno on the appropriations bill from the Energy and Water Committee. Tell themthat renewable energy RD is one of this country's best investments.- Wayne Allard: call the Colorado office at 303-220-7414 or the Washingtonoffice at 202-224-5941, or send an email message at:http://allard.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=ContactHome- Ken Salazar: call the Colorado office at 303-455-7600 or the Washingtonoffice at 202-224-5852, or send an email message at:http://salazar.senate.gov/contact/email.cfmRuss Doty, CEONew World WindPower LLCPO Box 1734Billings, MT 59103-1734406-656-2763email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]web site: http://www.newworldwindpower.com-- --Patrick Judge, Energy Program DirectorMontana Environmental Information CenterP.O. Box 1184Helena, MT 59624406/443-2520406/443-2507 fax ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Rain water for washing biodiesel
Hi, I would like to use rain water to wash my biodiesel. We get alot rain in Ireland. I was thinking that I should run it through a 5 micron filter or less befor using it. Any thoughts about this, how clean should it be etc? John ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Success! I think..
True, but since I only did a single liter test batch I only can safely pull off about .8L using my present methods. Would a retest of half a liter work? Or should I see how much more I can skim off the top of the bottom layer? -KurtOn 11/16/05, Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sounds good Kurt but you need to take a liter of your hooch and treat it as virgin oil and see if any reaction happens with methoxide. Joe Kurt Nolte wrote: Right, so, I think I may be successful here! Have a batch that I mixed up a few days ago, using a modified for local materials version of the Test Batch processor on the site. Good clean separation of the two layers when I let it settle in a translucent HDPE container. (I have a dozen of them now... I love working in the restaurant industry!). Took 20mL of the top layer, 20mL of room temperature water, stuck them in a 50mL vial, and proceeded to shake the crap out of it. Shook it up like that for a good 7-10 minutes, enough that I was positively certain everything was really mingling about and getting social in there. Set it up on top of the desk shelf over the computer, and set the timer for ten minutes, fifteen minutes, and thirty minutes. Ten minutes passed, and there was visible separation. Cloudy water on the bottom, a kinda thickish white layer in the middle, and amber-yellow non-hazy liquid at the top. Fifteen, and the layer in the middle was quite almost gone. After thirty, it's only barely thicker than paper thin. However, there is a band of hazy amber-yellow liquid on top of it; it's thin too. Is this normal? So, have I done it, or do I still need to tweak? Peace -Kurt ___Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Success! I think..
Sorry just have a question, Joe when you say treat it as virgin oil, do you mean for Kurt to do the whole process again? If so why would that be? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kurt Nolte Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 6:02 AM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Success! I think.. True, but since I only did a single liter test batch I only can safely pull off about .8L using my present methods. Would a retest of half a liter work? Or should I see how much more I can skim off the top of the bottom layer? -Kurt On 11/16/05, Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sounds good Kurt but you need to take a liter of your hooch and treat it as virgin oil and see if any reaction happens with methoxide. Joe Kurt Nolte wrote: Right, so, I think I may be successful here! Have a batch that I mixed up a few days ago, using a modified for local materials version of the Test Batch processor on the site. Good clean separation of the two layers when I let it settle in a translucent HDPE container. (I have a dozen of them now... I love working in the restaurant industry!). Took 20mL of the top layer, 20mL of room temperature water, stuck them in a 50mL vial, and proceeded to shake the crap out of it. Shook it up like that for a good 7-10 minutes, enough that I was positively certain everything was really mingling about and getting social in there. Set it up on top of the desk shelf over the computer, and set the timer for ten minutes, fifteen minutes, and thirty minutes. Ten minutes passed, and there was visible separation. Cloudy water on the bottom, a kinda thickish white layer in the middle, and amber-yellow non-hazy liquid at the top. Fifteen, and the layer in the middle was quite almost gone. After thirty, it's only barely thicker than paper thin. However, there is a band of hazy amber-yellow liquid on top of it; it's thin too. Is this normal? So, have I done it, or do I still need to tweak? Peace -Kurt ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Absolute ethanol
Dear sirs. I have a bottle labeled as: absolute ethanol 95%, and among other things declares Water 0,2%. Would it be good enough for beef tallow transesterification?. I plan to dry tallow at 120ºCduring 15 minutes; use 50ºC; molar ratio ethanol: tallow 6:1; turbulent mix; tallow has 0,25% FFA so Iwill use 0,60% of KOH; reaction time: 60 minutes. Do you think that I would be sucessful and obtain biodiesel ?. Your advise will be the most apreciated. Thanks in advance. Mr. F.J. Burgos. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Success! I think..
To check for process completion. Reprocessing, basically; if any more glycerine falls out, the process needs to be refined still. I've been re-reading up. ;p -KurtOn 11/16/05, Darryl West [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry just have a question, Joe when you say treat it as virgin oil, do you mean for Kurt to do the whole process again? If so why would that be? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Kurt Nolte Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 6:02 AM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Success! I think.. True, but since I only did a single liter test batch I only can safely pull off about .8L using my present methods. Would a retest of half a liter work? Or should I see how much more I can skim off the top of the bottom layer? -Kurt On 11/16/05, Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sounds good Kurt but you need to take a liter of your hooch and treat it as virgin oil and see if any reaction happens with methoxide. Joe Kurt Nolte wrote: Right, so, I think I may be successful here! Have a batch that I mixed up a few days ago, using a modified for local materials version of the Test Batch processor on the site. Good clean separation of the two layers when I let it settle in a translucent HDPE container. (I have a dozen of them now... I love working in the restaurant industry!). Took 20mL of the top layer, 20mL of room temperature water, stuck them in a 50mL vial, and proceeded to shake the crap out of it. Shook it up like that for a good 7-10 minutes, enough that I was positively certain everything was really mingling about and getting social in there. Set it up on top of the desk shelf over the computer, and set the timer for ten minutes, fifteen minutes, and thirty minutes. Ten minutes passed, and there was visible separation. Cloudy water on the bottom, a kinda thickish white layer in the middle, and amber-yellow non-hazy liquid at the top. Fifteen, and the layer in the middle was quite almost gone. After thirty, it's only barely thicker than paper thin. However, there is a band of hazy amber-yellow liquid on top of it; it's thin too. Is this normal? So, have I done it, or do I still need to tweak? Peace -Kurt ___Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Success! I think..
So if more glycerine falls out does this mean that you need to adjust the amount of chemical you are using during your initial step? Would you repeat this process every time you make a batch (regardless of the size of the batch)? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kurt Nolte Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 10:26 AM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Success! I think.. To check for process completion. Reprocessing, basically; if any more glycerine falls out, the process needs to be refined still. I've been re-reading up. ;p -Kurt On 11/16/05, Darryl West [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry just have a question, Joe when you say treat it as virgin oil, do you mean for Kurt to do the whole process again? If so why would that be? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Kurt Nolte Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 6:02 AM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Success! I think.. True, but since I only did a single liter test batch I only can safely pull off about .8L using my present methods. Would a retest of half a liter work? Or should I see how much more I can skim off the top of the bottom layer? -Kurt On 11/16/05, Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sounds good Kurt but you need to take a liter of your hooch and treat it as virgin oil and see if any reaction happens with methoxide. Joe Kurt Nolte wrote: Right, so, I think I may be successful here! Have a batch that I mixed up a few days ago, using a modified for local materials version of the Test Batch processor on the site. Good clean separation of the two layers when I let it settle in a translucent HDPE container. (I have a dozen of them now... I love working in the restaurant industry!). Took 20mL of the top layer, 20mL of room temperature water, stuck them in a 50mL vial, and proceeded to shake the crap out of it. Shook it up like that for a good 7-10 minutes, enough that I was positively certain everything was really mingling about and getting social in there. Set it up on top of the desk shelf over the computer, and set the timer for ten minutes, fifteen minutes, and thirty minutes. Ten minutes passed, and there was visible separation. Cloudy water on the bottom, a kinda thickish white layer in the middle, and amber-yellow non-hazy liquid at the top. Fifteen, and the layer in the middle was quite almost gone. After thirty, it's only barely thicker than paper thin. However, there is a band of hazy amber-yellow liquid on top of it; it's thin too. Is this normal? So, have I done it, or do I still need to tweak? Peace -Kurt ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Absolute ethanol
Francisco, what is the remaining 4.8%? usually absolute alcohol means 100%. Is this denatured alcohol, if so what is the denaturant? francisco j burgos wrote: Dear sirs. I have a bottle labeled as: absolute ethanol 95%, and among other things declares Water 0,2%. Would it be good enough for beef tallow transesterification?. I plan to dry tallow at 120ºC during 15 minutes; use 50ºC; molar ratio ethanol: tallow 6:1; turbulent mix; tallow has 0,25% FFA so I will use 0,60% of KOH; reaction time: 60 minutes. Do you think that I would be sucessful and obtain biodiesel ?. Your advise will be the most apreciated. Thanks in advance. Mr. F.J. Burgos. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.13.0/167 - Release Date: 11/11/2005 -- Bob Allen http://ozarker.org/bob Science is what we have learned about how to keep from fooling ourselves - Richard Feynman ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] On the Destrutiveness of Corporate Power
John Stossel asks if greed is good: http://abcnews.go.com/2020/Business/story?id=1304577Give me a break!He side steps the power associated from wealth (obtained through greed) and the attrocities committed to those who labor for that greed.IMHO,when benevolence appears asthe apparent effect of greed, it can only be interpreted as a side effect (at best) since the motivation of greed is clear....but what goes around, comes around. Strikes Multiply Amid Increase In Labor Fights By KRIS MAHER Staff Reporter of THE WALL STREET JOURNALNovember 15, 2005;PageB1http://tinyurl.com/c6q2bMike William Adams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Keith Addison's contribution of 11/15/05offersa timely and informative look at the worldwide destructiveness of the uncontrolled wielding of corporate power. For those who would like to explore this social aberration in greater depth, read Thom Hartmann's Unequal Protection: The Rise of Corporate Dominance and the Theft of Human Rights.Bob Adams, West Linn, OR___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Absolute ethanol
On Nov 16, 2005, at 5:32 PM, francisco j burgos wrote: I have a bottle labeled as: absolute ethanol 95%, and amongother things declares Water 0,2%. Would it be good enough forbeef tallow transesterification?. I plan to dry tallow at 120ºCduring 15 minutes; use 50ºC; molar ratio ethanol: tallow 6:1; turbulent mix; tallow has 0,25% FFA so I will use 0,60% of KOH;reaction time: 60 minutes. Do you think that I would be successful and obtain biodiesel?The short answer is YES, you should eventually be able to useyour ethanol, which is adequately dry, to make biodiesel fromyour tallow, which is adequately clean. Temp. of 50 sounds alittle high for ethanol (the high temp. discourages separation),and I don't have my calculator handy to check your ratios, butthe reactants sound acceptable. Reaction time may be as longas 12 hours before glycerine separation occurs.Have you already made biodiesel with this feedstock using methanol instead of ethanol? May I ask why you want to useethanol? The process is much less reliable and requiresconsiderably more KOH than with methanol -- including upto 20% methanol in the alcohol portion increases your chanceof success markedly. The Journey to Forever website has someinformation about the use of ethanol for transesterification, andwhat aspects of the process need to be modified. Check it outthoroughly.-K___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Success! I think..
Kurt, Take a sport cap off of a 1 liter water bottle and put it on top of a 2 liter PET bottle (soda bottle). Invert bottle. Slice off the bottom. Fill bottle with contents of your one liter reaction. Nest inverted bottle into an appropriate sized jar, quart sized or better. Let settle. After settling, lift PET bottle and gently open the sport cap to allow the glycerin cocktail to drain. This is essentially a poor man's separatory funnel. Todd Swearingen True, but since I only did a single liter test batch I only can safely pull off about .8L using my present methods. Would a retest of half a liter work? Or should I see how much more I can skim off the top of the bottom layer? -Kurt On 11/16/05, *Joe Street* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sounds good Kurt but you need to take a liter of your hooch and treat it as virgin oil and see if any reaction happens with methoxide. Joe Kurt Nolte wrote: Right, so, I think I may be successful here! Have a batch that I mixed up a few days ago, using a modified for local materials version of the Test Batch processor on the site. Good clean separation of the two layers when I let it settle in a translucent HDPE container. (I have a dozen of them now... I love working in the restaurant industry!). Took 20mL of the top layer, 20mL of room temperature water, stuck them in a 50mL vial, and proceeded to shake the crap out of it. Shook it up like that for a good 7-10 minutes, enough that I was positively certain everything was really mingling about and getting social in there. Set it up on top of the desk shelf over the computer, and set the timer for ten minutes, fifteen minutes, and thirty minutes. Ten minutes passed, and there was visible separation. Cloudy water on the bottom, a kinda thickish white layer in the middle, and amber-yellow non-hazy liquid at the top. Fifteen, and the layer in the middle was quite almost gone. After thirty, it's only barely thicker than paper thin. However, there is a band of hazy amber-yellow liquid on top of it; it's thin too. Is this normal? So, have I done it, or do I still need to tweak? Peace -Kurt ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Australia to take geothermal mainstream
Reuters is reporting that several Australian firms are experimenting with taking [1]geothermal energy mainstream. Geodynamics Ltd. will be making an investment decision on their first geothermal power station in early 2006. From the article:"Mother Nature has been kind to us. Australia could be the world leaderwithin the next couple of years given the geological anomalies present in South Australia," says Peter Reid, chief executive of another explorer,Petratherm Ltd."Discuss this story at: http://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=05/11/15/2250211Links: 0. http://www.hardlines.com/ 1. http://tinyurl.com/d6vgn Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] slashdot - truckers choose hydrogen power
Wired News is reporting that hundreds ofsemi trucks now on the roads are being [0]partially powered by hydrogen.From the article: "These 18-wheelers make hydrogen as they go,eliminating the need for high-pressure, cryogenic storage tanks orhydrogen filling stations, which, by the way, don't yet exist. Thesetruckers aren't just do-gooders. They like Canadian Hydrogen Energy'sHydrogen Fuel Injection, or HFI, system because it lets them save fuel,get more horsepower and, as a bonus, cause less pollution."Discuss this story at: http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=05/11/15/2314241Links: 0. http://www.wired.com/news/autotech/0,2554,69529,00.html Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
