[Biofuel] Flexfuel converter at abcesso.com
Is there anyone on this list that knows anything about the flex converter at the web site http://www.abcesso.com/ Is there anyone on this list that is currently using this converter? I have been wanting to switch to E85 but I have not been able to find information about how I could do this with my 95 Plymouth Voyager as the computer controls the settings on the vehicle such as pulse width and timing which (I am told) cannot be changed on my vehicle. I was originally hoping to have a vehicle that I could use E85 in and fill up on gas if need be (with out having to buy a factory flex compliant vehicle. Is there any other way this can be done? in reading the abcesso web site this converter does not automatically detect the ethanol to gas mixture and adjust the timing, pulse width and the like automatically. There is a switch on the unit that you engage when you have less than a 40% gas mixture in your tank. Any information that anyone can provide would be much appreciated. Thanks, Dave Roderick ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Plants produce alternative energy
I am cooordinating a work that regard three steps essication, pirolysis and gasification. I need some bibliography at a single process. My biofuel are different tipologies (for exemple reflue zootecchnic or CDR .). Who can help me? Thanks a lot at the all. Ezio ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Acetone as a diesel additive?
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Re: [Biofuel] (no subject)
Mario, I suggest you to study this subject thru the many books and conferences as for example from: http://www.pyne.co.uk/ Last meeting where we were present was the 14th. European Conference on Biomass for Energy, Industry and the Environment in Paris, last October. Look for it also in the web. In our case we are continously working, studying and participating in said events since 1997. Up to the present we have constructed, and have in operation, a pyrolysis plant, and more recently a biomass gasification plant, from which we obtain the fuel gas to heat the pyrolysis reactor. In effect there is a lot of information in the web. You have to study it, select the most important, then you have to study it in more detail, analyze the chemistry which is involved, the thermodynamics, the economics, etc. Yes you have to spend a lot of time, a lot of money. That is business. Even water distillation has details and difficulties to overcome if you want to fill 1,000 five liters plastic bottles to be sold for truck radiators. Imagine the complex structure of wood. I insist: study. Best regards, Marcelino - Original Message - From: Mariodg77 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2005 9:16 AM Subject: [Biofuel] pyrolysis and gassification Hi. as told you some days ago, I need ,for my study ,some detailed informations about pyrolysis and gassification, such as details on what comes out in function on what I put in, chemichal characteristics of inputs , links to publications about these 2 processes . Can someone help me?The web is full of stuff, but only words and nothing concrete... thanks a lot, Mario - Original Message - From: Mariodg77 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 12:18 PM Subject: [Biofuel] (no subject) Hi all, My name is Mario Di Giulio and i'm a newbye in this mailing list. I'm a mechanical engineering student at the University of Trieste. I'm finishing my studies and I'm starting to work on a project called STE (xsiccation pyrolysis and gassification). After collecting bibliography I'm supposed work on energy and mass balances upon the pyrolysis and gassification processes. I hope to find good material here, and I please you to help me. I'll start to search in this mailing list archive if there is something useful for my study , and I ask you if you have some advices on where else to find bybliography. Thanks all , see you soon :) Mario -- Email.it, the professional e-mail, gratis per te: http://www.email.it/f Sponsor: Iscriviti Gratis al primo corso on-line di Web Marketing in Italia! Impara subito come promuoverti su internet - clicca qui Clicca qui: http://adv.email.it/cgi-bin/foclick.cgi?mid=3210d=20051117 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] SERVER REPORT(VIRUS FOUND in this message
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Re: [Biofuel] NaOH does not dissolve
Sunoco usually sells methanol through their racing gas division. 5 gallons is about 30 bucks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am sure now that the camp stove fuel must not be methanol . It has been over 24 hours and the lye has not dissolved at all. I thought I had read that the stove fuel would work but I guess I was wrong. On the back of the can it says it contains a refined petroluem naptha. Now I am right or wrong wood naptha is methanol? But again now on looking closer I did not do my homework right because the can says it is petroleum naptha not wood. Oh by the way I am from Pa.. Thank you, Alan ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Diesel pick-ups in Canada
As Robert indicated, these are rare items indeed. After three years of searching, I settled on a 3/4 ton pickup, which I found in my local truck trader. In this area (Ottawa), the diesels seem to command a premium (10 to 20%) over comparable gasoline trucks. I did watch Crown Assets and provincial disposal auctions for a while as well, no bargains there at all on diesels. There was also an auto auction place near here that I kept an eye on, but diesels were rare and when they did appear (especially Cummins), the prices were ridiculously high. I did see some bargains on diesel cube vans on occasion, but they were not appropriate to my needs. Darryl McMahon steve reimer wrote: Any suggestions on where I can find a small to mid sized diesel pick-up truck in Ontario, Canada? In the truck trader, I only found 2 or 3 older trucks with over 300 000km. Steve Reimer ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Darryl McMahon http://www.econogics.com It's your planet. If you won't look after it, who will? ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Diesel pick-ups in Canada
If it's anything like down here, the 10 - 20% premium for diesels is for the 3/4 ton and larger ones. Small diesel pickups are fetching about twice or three times what a comparable gas truck would go for. I think '85 or '86 was the last year most of them -- toyota, nissan, isuzu, mazda, mitsubishi -- came with a diesel. The ford ranger had it till '87 or '88? The Isuzu's seem to be most common around here, but the Mitsubishi (found in the ford ranger and dodge D-50 as well), and Toyota are better because they were turbo and none of the others were, to my knowledge. On 11/29/05, Darryl McMahon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As Robert indicated, these are rare items indeed. After three years of searching, I settled on a 3/4 ton pickup, which I found in my local truck trader. In this area (Ottawa), the diesels seem to command a premium (10 to 20%) over comparable gasoline trucks. I did watch Crown Assets and provincial disposal auctions for a while as well, no bargains there at all on diesels. There was also an auto auction place near here that I kept an eye on, but diesels were rare and when they did appear (especially Cummins), the prices were ridiculously high. I did see some bargains on diesel cube vans on occasion, but they were not appropriate to my needs. Darryl McMahon steve reimer wrote: Any suggestions on where I can find a small to mid sized diesel pick-up truck in Ontario, Canada? In the truck trader, I only found 2 or 3 older trucks with over 300 000km. Steve Reimer ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Darryl McMahon http://www.econogics.com It's your planet. If you won't look after it, who will? ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] ethanol industry popping
Greg Gordon of the Star Tribute wrote: Minnesota is the lone state with a 10 percent ethanol mandate, though Hawaii and Montana have enacted similar mandates that have yet to take effect. Minnesota will require 20 percent ethanol content in 2013. Whatchu talking about Willis? New York and Connecticut both require E10 at the pump as part of their MTBE ban. I think, but can't say for sure, that Colorado and California also require E10 as a result of their MTBE bans. jh ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Producing biodiesel from animal fat
Hello everybody! Has anyone in this list ever tried to produced biodiesel from animal fat (tallow, for instance)? The process for vegetable oils is well known, but I dont seem to find much documentation on experiences on producing biodiesel from animal fat. From what I know, the problems with animal fat are the long chains of the fatty acids / triglycerides and the high level of saturation. This means that biodiesel produced from animal fat will tend to condensate, especially at low temperatures. How can one solve this problem? I would be very pleased if someone could help me on this problem. Any reports / papers or personal experiences are welcome! Thanks, Duarte Nuno ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Diesel pick-ups in Canada
There is no easy way to get a small diesel pickup in southern ontario. I am driving an isuzu that I put a VW diesel into. Next time i am buying a Toyota and putting one of those imported used diesel engines from Japan. Even the used engines sell for $3000-$4000, not to mention the problem of finding a good Toyota with a bad engine. I don't understand why Toyota doesn't just sell a new diesel pickup here. stan ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] NaOH does not dissolve
This is what I found for the chemical compostion of wood naptha used for denaturing ethanol: Composition of wood naptha: There is no prescriptive list of ingredients, but some or all of the following are found in approved synthetic wood naptha: * pyridine, * pyridine bases, * allyl alcohol, * crotenaldehyde, * picolene, * denatonium benzoate, * methyl alcohol. So, it may contain methanol, but it certainly doesn't have to be pure methanol. Petroleum Naptha is a light petroleum distillate, C5-C9 On 11/28/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am sure now that the camp stove fuel must not be methanol . It has been over 24 hours and the lye has not dissolved at all. I thought I had read that the stove fuel would work but I guess I was wrong. On the back of the can it says it contains a refined petroluem naptha. Now I am right or wrong wood naptha is methanol? But again now on looking closer I did not do my homework right because the can says it is petroleum naptha not wood. Oh by the way I am from Pa.. Thank you, Alan ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Flexfuel converter at abcesso.com
Dave Roderick wrote: Is there anyone on this list that knows anything about the flex converter at the web site http://www.abcesso.com/ It's been discussed here before. I'm confident that a check of the archives will yield positive results for you. in reading the abcesso web site this converter does not automatically detect the ethanol to gas mixture and adjust the timing, pulse width and the like automatically. That's correct. The acesso device does NOT impact timing at all--only the fuel injection pulse. robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Producing biodiesel from animal fat
From what I know, the problems with animal fat are the long chains of the fatty acids / triglycerides and the high level of saturation. This means that biodiesel produced from animal fat will tend to condensate, especially at low temperatures. How can one solve this problem? Use a two tank system with a heated tank for the Biodiesel. These are usually used for running SVO, but could also allow winter use of B100. I'm slowly getting the parts to add one to my truck. Keeping your filter heated is one of the key parts, as this is where alot of heat transfer occurs between the coolant and the fuel before entering the injecting pump, and is the critical clogging point when the biodiesel starts forming wax crystals. We've found heated filters to be essential for running SVO in cool weather. On 11/29/05, Duarte Nuno Januário [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello everybody! Has anyone in this list ever tried to produced biodiesel from animal fat (tallow, for instance)? The process for vegetable oils is well known, but I don't seem to find much documentation on experiences on producing biodiesel from animal fat. From what I know, the problems with animal fat are the long chains of the fatty acids / triglycerides and the high level of saturation. This means that biodiesel produced from animal fat will tend to condensate, especially at low temperatures. How can one solve this problem? I would be very pleased if someone could help me on this problem. Any reports / papers or personal experiences are welcome! Thanks, Duarte Nuno ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Morning weather
This morning as I checked the weather the meteorologist had a news item regarding the UN conference on global warming which is taking place in Montreal Canada. She explained that the conference was about the next step beyond the Kyoto protocol and that much effort is being spent in trying to get the US 'onboard'. But she said the US wasn't having it. She said they are sticking to their guns. Too true! Joe ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Biofuel for model Aircraft
Can you tell me how to make Bio diesel for a model Aircraft? Jeffrey __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Producing biodiesel from animal fat
Thank you Zeke! Have you actually produced biodiesel from animal fat? When you use, for example, B20, how do you regulate the flow of the mineral diesel vs biodiesel? Do you know of any chemical method for breaking down or insaturating the animal fat chains? Duarte Nuno Januário - Original Message - From: Zeke Yewdall [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 3:35 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Producing biodiesel from animal fat From what I know, the problems with animal fat are the long chains of the fatty acids / triglycerides and the high level of saturation. This means that biodiesel produced from animal fat will tend to condensate, especially at low temperatures. How can one solve this problem? Use a two tank system with a heated tank for the Biodiesel. These are usually used for running SVO, but could also allow winter use of B100. I'm slowly getting the parts to add one to my truck. Keeping your filter heated is one of the key parts, as this is where alot of heat transfer occurs between the coolant and the fuel before entering the injecting pump, and is the critical clogging point when the biodiesel starts forming wax crystals. We've found heated filters to be essential for running SVO in cool weather. On 11/29/05, Duarte Nuno Januário [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello everybody! Has anyone in this list ever tried to produced biodiesel from animal fat (tallow, for instance)? The process for vegetable oils is well known, but I don't seem to find much documentation on experiences on producing biodiesel from animal fat. From what I know, the problems with animal fat are the long chains of the fatty acids / triglycerides and the high level of saturation. This means that biodiesel produced from animal fat will tend to condensate, especially at low temperatures. How can one solve this problem? I would be very pleased if someone could help me on this problem. Any reports / papers or personal experiences are welcome! Thanks, Duarte Nuno ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] neoprene gloves good enough protection?
What do others use for hand protection from methanol and methoxide? Do neoprene gloves provide adequate enough protection from methanol and methoxide? And can I whine about how poorly the 4 litre jugs of methanol pour, or rather how well they drip? Or is it just me? Kenji Fuse ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] caution
I read with fear and trepidation, the submission by Alan, that reveals how he mixed stove fuel with NaOH, not really knowing what was in the stove fuel. I know someone who is left with less than 30% lung capacity after mixing things of unknown composition. Please don't let us read about your explosion or fire in the papers, it is bad press for us biodieselers. Charle-Pan [EMAIL PROTECTED] ustainablelists.o rg To Sent by: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc ustainablelists.o rgSubject Biofuel Digest, Vol 7, Issue 97 11/29/2005 12:00 PM Please respond to [EMAIL PROTECTED] lelists.org Send Biofuel mailing list submissions to Biofuel@sustainablelists.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can reach the person managing the list at [EMAIL PROTECTED] When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Biofuel digest... Today's Topics: 1. Re: NaOH does not dissolve (Zeke Yewdall) 2. Re: Producing biodiesel from animal fat (Zeke Yewdall) -- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 08:16:02 -0700 From: Zeke Yewdall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] NaOH does not dissolve To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 This is what I found for the chemical compostion of wood naptha used for denaturing ethanol: Composition of wood naptha: There is no prescriptive list of ingredients, but some or all of the following are found in approved synthetic wood naptha: * pyridine, * pyridine bases, * allyl alcohol, * crotenaldehyde, * picolene, * denatonium benzoate, * methyl alcohol. So, it may contain methanol, but it certainly doesn't have to be pure methanol. Petroleum Naptha is a light petroleum distillate, C5-C9 On 11/28/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am sure now that the camp stove fuel must not be methanol . It has been over 24 hours and the lye has not dissolved at all. I thought I had read that the stove fuel would work but I guess I was wrong. On the back of the can it says it contains a refined petroluem naptha. Now I am right or wrong wood naptha is methanol? But again now on looking closer I did not do my homework right because the can says it is petroleum naptha not wood. Oh by the way I am from Pa.. Thank you, Alan ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Message: 2 Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 08:35:40 -0700 From: Zeke Yewdall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Producing biodiesel from animal fat To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 From what I know, the problems with animal fat are the long chains of the fatty acids / triglycerides and the high level of saturation. This means that biodiesel produced from animal fat will tend to condensate, especially at low temperatures. How can one solve this problem? Use a two tank system with a heated tank for the Biodiesel. These are usually used for running SVO, but could also allow winter use of B100. I'm slowly
[Biofuel] Can this Batch be Saved?!
Hi All, Boy did I screw up a 240 liter batch of biodiesel. The wvo titrated out to 4.5 g lye, so my methoxide mix was 1760grams (4.5 +3.5=8g x 220) lye and 44 liters of methanol. I made the batch using the simple process. mistake #1- I'm almost positive there was a small amount of water in my methoxide tank. I also put the lye in first, before the methanol. mistake #2- when I dumped the methoxide into the vat with the wvo (wvo was about 100 deg. f) I noticed too late that not all of the lye had dissolved (5% left in container). I think it was because the temp in my garage was about 35 deg f , and my pump system needs tweaking. mistake#3- My 8 year old daughter was with me and her attention span was up! My friend that was helping (its actually his garage) stayed to monitor the reaction so I could get my girl home. What I was left with is a bunch of white curd looking stuff (lye/soap) on the top. I scooped a bunch of it out and put it in a 5 gallon bucket. I got to what looked like good fuel and put it in a jar. 12 hrs later it developed the white stuff. I tried to wash some and it will not seperate. It doesnt turn into mayo when agitated, it just does not seperate from the water. I re-processed 1 liter with 3.5g lye and 100ml methanol, and it looks the same as the original batch- white curd like (on the bottom now). I took a small sample of the re-processed batch and tried adding water- no seperation. Just for kicks I put some malt vinegar (all I had at home - no ph tester at my house either, but I have one at my disposal) in a little bit of the reprocessed bio-mess and i made the white stuff dissappear! some dark sediment formed on the bottom- it didnt quite look like glycerine. I tried washing a little of that and it STILL wont seperate. OK, I know I seriously f*%# \'d up. I WILL change my ways. can THIS batch be saved? I want to burn it in my furnace, not a car if that matters. Thanks All, James Demer in Falmouth, Maine USA ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Diesel pick-ups in Canada
You might also ask the ford, mazda, isuzu, mitsubishi, chevy, nissan, dealers while you are at it. They all make pretty nice small turbodiesel trucks for africa and southeast asia. I imagine that most the people who work there don't even know that their company makes diesels overseas -- the dodge dealer wasn't quite sure what to make of my truck, even though they presumably sold it new 21 years ago. FYI, there is currently a turbodiesel toyoto pickup, diesel isuzu pickup, and turbo diesel isuzu trooper for sale on Ebay, in the the eastern US. On 11/29/05, steve reimer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Stan wrote I don't understand why Toyota doesn't just sell a new diesel pickup here. Has anyone visited a Toyota dealer and asked that question. I think I will when I get back to Canada in 3 weeks. Alternatively, I wonder if they (Toyota) would have a cheaper way of importing a diesel engine. Steve Reimer From: Stanley baer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Diesel pick-ups in Canada Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 08:43:46 -0500 There is no easy way to get a small diesel pickup in southern ontario. I am driving an isuzu that I put a VW diesel into. Next time i am buying a Toyota and putting one of those imported used diesel engines from Japan. Even the used engines sell for $3000-$4000, not to mention the problem of finding a good Toyota with a bad engine. I don't understand why Toyota doesn't just sell a new diesel pickup here. stan ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Diesel pick-ups in Canada
Stan wrote "I don'tunderstand why Toyota doesn't just sell a new diesel pickup here". Has anyone visited a Toyota dealer and asked that question. I think I will when I get back to Canada in 3 weeks. Alternatively, I wonder if they (Toyota) would have a cheaper way of importing a diesel engine.Steve Reimer From:Stanley baer [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To:Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgTo:Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSubject:Re: [Biofuel] Diesel pick-ups in CanadaDate:Tue, 29 Nov 2005 08:43:46 -0500There is no easy way to get a small diesel pickup in southern ontario.I am driving an isuzu that I put a VW diesel into.Next time i ambuying a Toyota and putting one of those imported used diesel enginesfrom Japan.Even the used engines sell for $3000-$4000, not to mentionthe problem of finding a good Toyota with a bad engine.I don'tunderstand why Toyota doesn't just sell a new diesel pickup here.stan___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Producing biodiesel from animal fat
Dear Mr. Duarte Nuno: one of the problems of obtaining BD from tallow is to have a consistent quality raw material. These days tallow is a little cheaper than a few years ago due the existing surplus because the BSE "mad cows" ilness. It is advisable to work with "soap quality" tallow, 0.25% FFA, and also you should get rid of any moist on it. Yours truly, Mr. F.J. Burgos - Original Message - From: Duarte Nuno Januário To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 7:43 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Producing biodiesel from animal fat Hello everybody! Has anyone in this list ever tried to produced biodiesel from animal fat (tallow, for instance)? The process for vegetable oils is well known, but I dont seem to find much documentation on experiences on producing biodiesel from animal fat. From what I know, the problems with animal fat are the long chains of the fatty acids / triglycerides and the high level of saturation. This means that biodiesel produced from animal fat will tend to condensate, especially at low temperatures. How can one solve this problem? I would be very pleased if someone could help me on this problem. Any reports / papers or personal experiences are welcome! Thanks, Duarte Nuno ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Producing biodiesel from animal fat
I have not produced biodiesel from animal fat, but I've used hydrogenated WVO as fuel (which I think congeals at a similar temperature to tallow-derived biodiesel -- around 45F), and experienced pretty bad filter clogging till we put heaters on the filters. We had a heater in the tank and the fuel lines ran in a bundle with the coolant lines to the heater in the tank, but that wasn't enough to keep the filters (which were exposed to the air under the bus) from cooling enough to clog when it got to 45F or so in the mornings. For B20 (or whatever percentage mixture of biodiesel and dino-diesel), I just mix it in the tank. Actually, I can buy commercial B20 at the pump here, but I usually like running higher blends if it's warm enough, so I just put in both B100 and some petro-diesel in the tank. I don't have heated filters and lines on my truck yet, but when I do, I will keep the heated tank with B100, and start it on another tank with B20 or so. It actually starts much better on B20 or higher than pure petro-diesel, provided the fuel is not gelled. Higher Cetane number I think. On 11/29/05, Duarte Nuno Januário [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you Zeke! Have you actually produced biodiesel from animal fat? When you use, for example, B20, how do you regulate the flow of the mineral diesel vs biodiesel? Do you know of any chemical method for breaking down or insaturating the animal fat chains? Duarte Nuno Januário - Original Message - From: Zeke Yewdall [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 3:35 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Producing biodiesel from animal fat From what I know, the problems with animal fat are the long chains of the fatty acids / triglycerides and the high level of saturation. This means that biodiesel produced from animal fat will tend to condensate, especially at low temperatures. How can one solve this problem? Use a two tank system with a heated tank for the Biodiesel. These are usually used for running SVO, but could also allow winter use of B100. I'm slowly getting the parts to add one to my truck. Keeping your filter heated is one of the key parts, as this is where alot of heat transfer occurs between the coolant and the fuel before entering the injecting pump, and is the critical clogging point when the biodiesel starts forming wax crystals. We've found heated filters to be essential for running SVO in cool weather. On 11/29/05, Duarte Nuno Januário [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello everybody! Has anyone in this list ever tried to produced biodiesel from animal fat (tallow, for instance)? The process for vegetable oils is well known, but I don't seem to find much documentation on experiences on producing biodiesel from animal fat. From what I know, the problems with animal fat are the long chains of the fatty acids / triglycerides and the high level of saturation. This means that biodiesel produced from animal fat will tend to condensate, especially at low temperatures. How can one solve this problem? I would be very pleased if someone could help me on this problem. Any reports / papers or personal experiences are welcome! Thanks, Duarte Nuno ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] (no subject)
Thanks a lot, at least someone that answers me :) Da: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Oggetto: Re: [Biofuel] (no subject) Data: 29/11/05 12:47 Mario, I suggest you to study this subject thru the many books and conferences as for example from: http://www.pyne.co.uk/ Last meeting where we were present was the 14th. European Conference on Biomass for Energy, Industry and the Environment in Paris, last October. Look for it also in the web. In our case we are continously working, studying and participating in said events since 1997. Up to the present we have constructed, and have in operation, a pyrolysis plant, and more recently a biomass gasification plant, from which we obtain the fuel gas to heat the pyrolysis reactor. In effect there is a lot of information in the web. You have to study it, select the most important, then you have to study it in more detail, analyze the chemistry which is involved, the thermodynamics, the economics, etc. Yes you have to spend a lot of time, a lot of money. That is business. Even water distillation has details and difficulties to overcome if you want to fill 1,000 five liters plastic bottles to be sold for truck radiators. Imagine the complex structure of wood. I insist: study. Best regards, Marcelino - Original Message - From: Mariodg77 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2005 9:16 AM Subject: [Biofuel] pyrolysis and gassification Hi. as told you some days ago, I need ,for my study ,some detailed informations about pyrolysis and gassification, such as details on what comes out in function on what I put in, chemichal characteristics of inputs , links to publications about these 2 processes . Can someone help me?The web is full of stuff, but only words and nothing concrete... thanks a lot, Mario - Original Message - From: Mariodg77 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 12:18 PM Subject: [Biofuel] (no subject) Hi all, My name is Mario Di Giulio and i'm a newbye in this mailing list. I'm a mechanical engineering student at the University of Trieste. I'm finishing my studies and I'm starting to work on a project called STE (xsiccation pyrolysis and gassification). After collecting bibliography I'm supposed work on energy and mass balances upon the pyrolysis and gassification processes. I hope to find good material here, and I please you to help me. I'll start to search in this mailing list archive if there is something useful for my study , and I ask you if you have some advices on where else to find bybliography. Thanks all , see you soon :) Mario -- Email.it, the professional e-mail, gratis per te: http://www.email.it/f Sponsor: Iscriviti Gratis al primo corso on-line di Web Marketing in Italia! Impara subito come promuoverti su internet - clicca qui Clicca qui: http://adv.email.it/cgi-bin/foclick.cgi?mid=3210d=20051117 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Email.it, the professional e-mail, gratis per te: http://www.email.it/f Sponsor: Jamba: le ultime suonerie per il tuo cellulare! Clicca qui: http://adv.email.it/cgi-bin/foclick.cgi?mid=3761d=20051129 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Biofuel for model Aircraft
I imagine it would be the same as biodiesel for anything else. I wasn't aware that you could run diesel in model aircraft engines though. On 11/29/05, Jeffrey Kumjian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can you tell me how to make Bio diesel for a model Aircraft? Jeffrey __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] neoprene gloves good enough protection?
On Nov 29, 2005, at 1:04 PM, Kenji James Fuse wrote: What do others use for hand protection from methanol and methoxide? Do neoprene gloves provide adequate enough protection from methanol and methoxide? I realize this is sacrilege, but I don't use ANY PROTECTION! I find the methanol evaporates very quickly from my hands, leaving no ill effects (yet :-)) except a certain chappiness that can be remedied with various OTC preparations (hand lotion). Methoxide solution spilled on the hands has a tendency to produce a slight burning sensation after a couple of minutes that can be neutral- ized instantly with running water. Really. -K ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Biofuel for model Aircraft
Back in the 50's I had an .049 cu. in diesel for model planes that used a special fuel. Ether was a main ingredient. Don't assume that a diesel for models has similar fuel requirements to a big engine. Doug Woodard St. Catharines, Ontario On Tue, 29 Nov 2005, Jeffrey Kumjian wrote: Can you tell me how to make Bio diesel for a model Aircraft? Jeffrey ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Diesel pick-ups in Canada
There is a guy in Fla. that has a Japanese diesel import business - he's on Ebay or google it steve reimer wrote: Stan wrote I don't understand why Toyota doesn't just sell a new diesel pickup here. Has anyone visited a Toyota dealer and asked that question. I think I will when I get back to Canada in 3 weeks. Alternatively, I wonder if they (Toyota) would have a cheaper way of importing a diesel engine. Steve Reimer From: /Stanley baer [EMAIL PROTECTED]/ Reply-To: /Biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ To: /Biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Subject: /Re: [Biofuel] Diesel pick-ups in Canada/ Date: /Tue, 29 Nov 2005 08:43:46 -0500/ There is no easy way to get a small diesel pickup in southern ontario. I am driving an isuzu that I put a VW diesel into. Next time i am buying a Toyota and putting one of those imported used diesel engines from Japan. Even the used engines sell for $3000-$4000, not to mention the problem of finding a good Toyota with a bad engine. I don't understand why Toyota doesn't just sell a new diesel pickup here. stan ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] neoprene gloves good enough protection?
Methanol is readily absorbed through the skin. I have used it around the house as a solvent for years and yes the odd little drip on your skin won't hurt but for anything more than that you should use protection. Inhaling the vapors should be avoided. As for methoxide you should be taking great care to avoid exposure period. Joe Ken Provost wrote: On Nov 29, 2005, at 1:04 PM, Kenji James Fuse wrote: What do others use for hand protection from methanol and methoxide? Do neoprene gloves provide adequate enough protection from methanol and methoxide? I realize this is sacrilege, but I don't use ANY PROTECTION! I find the methanol evaporates very quickly from my hands, leaving no ill effects (yet :-)) except a certain "chappiness" that can be remedied with various OTC preparations (hand lotion). Methoxide solution spilled on the hands has a tendency to produce a slight burning sensation after a couple of minutes that can be neutral- ized instantly with running water. Really. -K ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Diesel pick-ups in Canada
Did you use a kit? I looked into an adapter from the Suzuki Samurai kit but never did it. Was it hard? Stanley baer wrote: There is no easy way to get a small diesel pickup in southern ontario. I am driving an isuzu that I put a VW diesel into. Next time i am buying a Toyota and putting one of those imported used diesel engines from Japan. Even the used engines sell for $3000-$4000, not to mention the problem of finding a good Toyota with a bad engine. I don't understand why Toyota doesn't just sell a new diesel pickup here. stan ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] ethanol industry popping
Statewide or large metropolitan areas ? Theres talk in Iowa, Wisconsin (Illinois - I think) of a statewide E10 mandate. Whatchu talking about Willis? New York and Connecticut both require E10 at the pump as part of their MTBE ban. I think, but can't say for sure, that Colorado and California also require E10 as a result of their MTBE bans. jh Greg Gordon of the Star Tribute wrote: Minnesota is the lone state with a 10 percent ethanol mandate, though Hawaii and Montana have enacted similar mandates that have yet to take effect. Minnesota will require 20 percent ethanol content in 2013. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Can this Batch be Saved?!
In my book that's more trouble than it's worth. I don't think you could cook out the water w/o evaporating all the Methanol. No offense, but I also have an 8 year old and biodiesel making is probably not the safest activity for her to be around. I'd think about neutralizing the batch to PH 7 and safely disposing of it. Good luck, Mike james demer wrote: Hi All, Boy did I screw up a 240 liter batch of biodiesel. The wvo titrated out to 4.5 g lye, so my methoxide mix was 1760grams (4.5 +3.5=8g x 220) lye and 44 liters of methanol. I made the batch using the simple process. mistake #1- I'm almost positive there was a small amount of water in my methoxide tank. I also put the lye in first, before the methanol. mistake #2- when I dumped the methoxide into the vat with the wvo (wvo was about 100 deg. f) I noticed too late that not all of the lye had dissolved (5% left in container). I think it was because the temp in my garage was about 35 deg f , and my pump system needs tweaking. mistake#3- My 8 year old daughter was with me and her attention span was up! My friend that was helping (its actually his garage) stayed to monitor the reaction so I could get my girl home. What I was left with is a bunch of white curd looking stuff (lye/soap) on the top. I scooped a bunch of it out and put it in a 5 gallon bucket. I got to what looked like good fuel and put it in a jar. 12 hrs later it developed the white stuff. I tried to wash some and it will not seperate. It doesnt turn into mayo when agitated, it just does not seperate from the water. I re-processed 1 liter with 3.5g lye and 100ml methanol, and it looks the same as the original batch- white curd like (on the bottom now). I took a small sample of the re-processed batch and tried adding water- no seperation. Just for kicks I put some malt vinegar (all I had at home - no ph tester at my house either, but I have one at my disposal) in a little bit of the reprocessed bio-mess and i made the white stuff dissappear! some dark sediment formed on the bottom- it didnt quite look like glycerine. I tried washing a little of that and it STILL wont seperate. OK, I know I seriously f*%# \'d up. I WILL change my ways. can THIS batch be saved? I want to burn it in my furnace, not a car if that matters. Thanks All, James Demer in Falmouth, Maine USA ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] 84 Chev. Suburban FS in NE Georgia, USA
Be sure to read up on the 6.2 engine. Not a bundle of power... doug wrote: Although I detest spam, I hope someone here will find this bit of info useful. A friend told me a week ago that he has a Diesel Suburban for sale, and today I went and looked at it. At a glance, body looks great, Under the hood, batteries that are in place are too small to be of use for long. Water pump leaks. Interior needs some work, headliner is coming loose. Passenger side wing window is broken, and ignition switch has been broken. (big red flag, so I asked. It's a repo, and the window was broken out in retrieving the vehicle, and the switch was jimmied at the same time. Background check on vehicle is clean...) Engine: 6.2 liter diesel Trans: automatic, 2WD Odometer reading: 93,xxx miles. there is no 100,000 digit, so, anyone's guess if and how many times it has seen 93,000 miles. Asking price is around US$2,000. Please email privately if you're interested, and I'll go take the pictures I meant to get today. doug swanson ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] 84 Chev. Suburban FS in NE Georgia, USA
Although I detest spam, I hope someone here will find this bit of info useful. A friend told me a week ago that he has a Diesel Suburban for sale, and today I went and looked at it. At a glance, body looks great, Under the hood, batteries that are in place are too small to be of use for long. Water pump leaks. Interior needs some work, headliner is coming loose. Passenger side wing window is broken, and ignition switch has been broken. (big red flag, so I asked. It's a repo, and the window was broken out in retrieving the vehicle, and the switch was jimmied at the same time. Background check on vehicle is clean...) Engine: 6.2 liter diesel Trans: automatic, 2WD Odometer reading: 93,xxx miles. there is no 100,000 digit, so, anyone's guess if and how many times it has seen 93,000 miles. Asking price is around US$2,000. Please email privately if you're interested, and I'll go take the pictures I meant to get today. doug swanson -- All generalizations are false. Including this one. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * This email is constructed entirely with OpenSource Software. No Microsoft databits have been incorporated herein. All existing databits have been constructed from recycled databits. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] NaOH does not dissolve
Hi Alan The cold weather could be a problem. In the summer I put my methanol tank in a 5 gal bucket to cool it since it gets so hot with the mixing process and dissolves in short order. 8 hrs I mix it about every 1/2 hr. but in the cold weather I put the methanol tank in hot tap water to get it started yet I seem to mix it for much longer to get it to dissolve. Hope this helps. Derick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of bob allen Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 5:26 PM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] NaOH does not dissolve are you sure that it is methanol? camp fuel in my parts- the Ozarks- is white gas , basically gasoline. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am working on making my first batch of Biodiesel and I can not seem to get the NaOH to dissolve in the methanol. I am using Ozark Trail brand stove fuel purchased from WalMart for methanol. I did read on the website that the NaOH can be difficult to dissolve but it has been 18 hours since I have mixed it and little or none appears to have dissolved. I did have the methanol stored in my garage in a sealed container for a month or maybe a little more and the temps were down to 6 degrees Farinenheit. Could these cold tempatures have messed it up? Also I am only trying to mix 5 liters of methanol with 108 grams of NaOH split evenly into two containers because I could not find one container large enough that was translucent. Any ideas or suggestions will be greatly appreciated. Thank you, Alan ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.13.7/182 - Release Date: 11/24/2005 -- Bob Allen http://ozarker.org/bob Science is what we have learned about how to keep from fooling ourselves - Richard Feynman ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] USA should be renamed USE
Just goes to show you money can buy you the answers you want. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Weaver Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 4:35 PM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] USA should be renamed USE Actually, almost nothing shocks me any more... Zeke Yewdall wrote: You're being sarcastic Mike, I hope? On 11/28/05, Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm shocked. radema wrote: Chairman of the House Intelligence subcommittee on terrorism and human intelligence admits taking $2.4Million in bribes. http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/11/28/congressman.shouse.ap/index.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Diesel pick-ups in Canada
The last diesel pickup I saw sold in North America was a Isuzu pup. They had there flaws but it wasn't the engine. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of robert luis rabello Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 5:08 PM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Diesel pick-ups in Canada steve reimer wrote: Any suggestions on where I can find a small to mid sized diesel pick-up truck in Ontario, Canada? In the truck trader, I only found 2 or 3 older trucks with over 300 000km. Good luck, Steve! Nobody has made a small or mid sized diesel for sale in North America for a LONG time. If you want a newer one that hasn't been driven into the ground, you'll have to import one of those lovely diesel Rangers from Mexico. (I'd love to get one myself!) Otherwise, you're stuck with a 3 / 4 to full ton beast with a big block diesel, like the GM 6.2 / 6.5, Duramax, Dodge Cummins (those are a little over 5 liters in displacement, I believe), or the Ford Powerstroke. Expect to pay a LOT of money for a full sized diesel. robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Producing biodiesel from animal fat
Thank You Francisco I actually have a "tallow-problem-in-food-industry" to solve. I think that making biodiesel from it may be very nice and environmentally friendly solution. Im beginning to produce my own biodiesel, Im trying to do it with wvo first. Do you think that mixing tallow with vegetable oil could help to improve some of the bad properties of tallow? It would like to know some personal experiences about the proportions in which these two fats should be mixed. Duarte Nuno Januário - Original Message - From: francisco j burgos To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 6:37 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Producing biodiesel from animal fat Dear Mr. Duarte Nuno: one of the problems of obtaining BD from tallow is to have a consistent quality raw material. These days tallow is a little cheaper than a few years ago due the existing surplus because the BSE "mad cows" ilness. It is advisable to work with "soap quality" tallow, 0.25% FFA, and also you should get rid of any moist on it. Yours truly, Mr. F.J. Burgos - Original Message - From: Duarte Nuno Januário To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 7:43 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Producing biodiesel from animal fat Hello everybody! Has anyone in this list ever tried to produced biodiesel from animal fat (tallow, for instance)? The process for vegetable oils is well known, but I dont seem to find much documentation on experiences on producing biodiesel from animal fat. From what I know, the problems with animal fat are the long chains of the fatty acids / triglycerides and the high level of saturation. This means that biodiesel produced from animal fat will tend to condensate, especially at low temperatures. How can one solve this problem? I would be very pleased if someone could help me on this problem. Any reports / papers or personal experiences are welcome! Thanks, Duarte Nuno ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Producing biodiesel from animal fat
Thanks once again! Do you think mixing tallow with wvo could be a solution for someone who has lots of tallow that will, otherwise, just be dumped? - Original Message - From: Zeke Yewdall [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 11:44 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Producing biodiesel from animal fat I have not produced biodiesel from animal fat, but I've used hydrogenated WVO as fuel (which I think congeals at a similar temperature to tallow-derived biodiesel -- around 45F), and experienced pretty bad filter clogging till we put heaters on the filters. We had a heater in the tank and the fuel lines ran in a bundle with the coolant lines to the heater in the tank, but that wasn't enough to keep the filters (which were exposed to the air under the bus) from cooling enough to clog when it got to 45F or so in the mornings. For B20 (or whatever percentage mixture of biodiesel and dino-diesel), I just mix it in the tank. Actually, I can buy commercial B20 at the pump here, but I usually like running higher blends if it's warm enough, so I just put in both B100 and some petro-diesel in the tank. I don't have heated filters and lines on my truck yet, but when I do, I will keep the heated tank with B100, and start it on another tank with B20 or so. It actually starts much better on B20 or higher than pure petro-diesel, provided the fuel is not gelled. Higher Cetane number I think. On 11/29/05, Duarte Nuno Januário [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you Zeke! Have you actually produced biodiesel from animal fat? When you use, for example, B20, how do you regulate the flow of the mineral diesel vs biodiesel? Do you know of any chemical method for breaking down or insaturating the animal fat chains? Duarte Nuno Januário - Original Message - From: Zeke Yewdall [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 3:35 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Producing biodiesel from animal fat From what I know, the problems with animal fat are the long chains of the fatty acids / triglycerides and the high level of saturation. This means that biodiesel produced from animal fat will tend to condensate, especially at low temperatures. How can one solve this problem? Use a two tank system with a heated tank for the Biodiesel. These are usually used for running SVO, but could also allow winter use of B100. I'm slowly getting the parts to add one to my truck. Keeping your filter heated is one of the key parts, as this is where alot of heat transfer occurs between the coolant and the fuel before entering the injecting pump, and is the critical clogging point when the biodiesel starts forming wax crystals. We've found heated filters to be essential for running SVO in cool weather. On 11/29/05, Duarte Nuno Januário [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello everybody! Has anyone in this list ever tried to produced biodiesel from animal fat (tallow, for instance)? The process for vegetable oils is well known, but I don't seem to find much documentation on experiences on producing biodiesel from animal fat. From what I know, the problems with animal fat are the long chains of the fatty acids / triglycerides and the high level of saturation. This means that biodiesel produced from animal fat will tend to condensate, especially at low temperatures. How can one solve this problem? I would be very pleased if someone could help me on this problem. Any reports / papers or personal experiences are welcome! Thanks, Duarte Nuno ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
[Biofuel] clarification plz, ethanol
Hi all, I recently found out that a local fuel wholesaler has begun selling E85 to consumers in our small town, and I'm also happy to report that my car is an FFV and capable of running it. However, I *believe* that I read somewhere that ethanol will get you *less* far per gallon than traditional petrol. On the ethanol site it talks all about 105 octane, etc, but I can't seem to find a good answer. I'm hoping someone will tell me that mpg goes up instead of down, but I'm not holding my breath. Reason? I don't make a lot of money, and this wholesaler is selling his E85 (which is advertized as being partially from waste products) for $2.799 per gallon, while regular petrol is back down to about $2.159. Directly, I can't afford to go less far for more money. And also, if anyone else out there has a local E85 seller, what are their prices in comparison to dino? Thanks in advance! ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Disposal of glycerin...
Is there any one out there that is recovering the glycerin from there waste? I have now treated approximately 5 gal of it but I find the separation to be distinct but almost the same color as the FFA. Almost dark roast coffee colored. And is there a good way to separate the FFA from the glycerol? I have tried and it seems to be hard to do. I don't like to quit so I will keep going until I find a better way. So if there is something refined out there please let me know. Thanks Derick. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Appal Energy Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2005 8:44 PM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Disposal of glycerine... Michael, Treat the cocktail with phosphoric acid to recover the FFAs. Then evaporate the methanol and recover it by condensing. That leaves the precipitate fertilizer and crudely refined glycerol to condtend with. The glycerol is a simple sugar and can be distributed with the graywater from the wash. Presumably you'll be treating the wash water to recover the soaps. Todd Swearingen mostly i mean what settles out of transesterification todd. On 11/27/05, *Appal Energy* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michael, Are you speaking of what settles out of a transesterification? Or are you speaking of the remaining glycerol after performing a free fatty acid recovery on the same soup? Todd Swearingen Hi folks I haven't started my production yet but I recently realized that I wasn't sure what I was going to do about disposing of the left over glycerine. I live on a small plot on the local reservoir and I can't just dump it or compost it .Any suggestions? what are you guy's doing with it? yes i could just put it in the trash but i have to pay for trash removal. Michael Luich ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.8/183 - Release Date: 11/25/2005 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Household electricity consumption questions, remarks, and theorizing.
Michael, Unless my gmail is lying, and it might be, I didn't see other repsonses to this email. I'd just like to ask a couple questions (and say thanks for the chest freezer/fridge, that thing is awesome!) 1. Having recently replaced several alternators, I'm wondering how you would plan to add *additional* alternators to your car, since they're spun by a belt generally connected to the waterpump and the camshaft assembly? 2. Adding to the previous question...you're talking about adding additional drag to the motor, which will degrade your performance/fuel economy, much like an air conditioner. 3. Were I you I might consider swapping for a heavy duty alternator + sound system capacitor + 6-8 gauge wire routed to your trunk to power your Grid. 4. Even better than that, build/buy a small bd generator to power them/whatever else you have around. 5. Charging a DEAD battery is tough, since they're not designed to go completely DEAD and will need replaced quickly if they do completely die. W/ a rapid charger you're looking at about 2-4 hours for a complete charge, 4-8-12 w/ a traditional charger, and that's one plugged into 110v, not from a car. 6. Another bad thing about car batteries is LEAD and ACID, two things you don't want to be introducing to the environment if you don't have to. 7. In high school I had visions of a device for recharging batteries that went something like this: captures rain in a funnelled system (big opening = more rain), rain travels downhill turning a series of wheels/cogs that via a system of gears works down to a very tight ratio (one spin of the first wheel = ~10 of the smalll wheel) which spin alternators to generate a charge to the batteries. The higher the system starts aerially, the more primary wheels, the more kinetic energy. Never built it, but...seemed reasonable. Then you could use your captured rainwater for your crops/drinking/whatever. Keep us informed :)On 11/19/05, Michael Nehring [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all,In about 8 months or so, I and my (future) wife will buy our firsthouse. One of my goals is to have a relatively high level of energy self-sufficiency (without going bankrupt since we currently don't have aton of cash lying around).First question: does anyone know of any charts/statistics of householdenergy consumption. I'm not so much interested in kilowatthours per day, but rather how the usage is divided up. This will make it easier to planwhat areas typically need to be improved.On another note, have any of you guys already looked at this: http://mtbest.net/chest_fridge.html. It's a fridge that uses only .1kw-hours/day (that's around 37 per year, and at $.1/kWh, that's lessthan $4 year if you're on the grid). The idea is surprisingly simple. Another question: does anyone know how many kilowatt hours are stored ina normal car battery (a battery for a standard sedan, I suppose)? I'vebeen thinking about hooking an inverter up to a car battery (or probably an array) to power various devices in the house. However, I don't knowhow much power is actually in a fully charged battery.Here would be one idea to charge the batteries: I just install a fewextra alternators in my car, and have those charge the batteries which would be stored in the trunk. Assuming the car is running biodiesel,then the electricity would be produced by biodiesel. Does the idea soundreasonable? Or does it have too many drawbacks and pitfalls? Are there other 12V batties that are better designed for household-type uses? (12Vso that I can charge it with an alternator, since I have a fewalternators lying around, and can get them for near to free if I go for used). How long does it take to charge an empty car battery? If itdoesn't take long, maybe I could build a simple treadmill-like devicefor the car, so the car spins a wheel, which in turn spins a dozen or soalternators to charge a dozen batteries at once. While it isn't the most efficient method, it would be cheap, since the motor would stay in thecar, and the car would serve other purposes (that is, getting places).I guess that's it for now. If any of you guys have any tips for common sources of waste in a house, I'd be happy to hear them (I'm alreadyplanning a rainwater harvesting system and a greenhouse for winter foodproduction).Thanks,-Michael___ Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):
Re: [Biofuel] One ton of brush and untreated wood
Hydrolizing the mulch will certainly give you sugars, but not all of them will be readily fermented without specific strains of yeast, these are very expensive, and often difficult to maintain outside of a laboratory. until the cellulase enzymes are mass produced, or the need for ethanol outstrips the cost, there is no real way of making biomass ethanol at a private level. --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] US Guvmint to tax alternate fuel vehicles?
i dont give a fuzzy flying fuck about taxes, if they want to stop me and test my fuel for dyes, ill spend my time in the can, and get right back to it when i get home. America is a great country... its the idiots at the helm that bother me. - Original Message - From: JJJN [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2005 12:00 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] US Guvmint to tax alternate fuel vehicles? There are two types of taxes for Fuel - State and Federal. All registered fuel Sellers are required to be registered with the IRS and the State they sell fuel in. They inject a dye in the fuel - Yellow for on road fuel Red for off road. I think all gasoline is taxed and not dyed. ( I think the yellow has been discontinued now.) but any way they pay a tax on every gallon sold at the pump. Ethanol and Biodiesel is the same as Dinogas and Dinodiesel in the eyes of the State and Federal officials. Some states do encourage alternate fuels by one means or another but I havent heard of any tax breaks. Now in the world of do it yourselfers it is how brave you are to avoid paying those taxes. I leave that one there. If you are talking about hybrids that use electricity the government gets the fuel side tax but would have a rough time implementing a zap tax for charging the vehicle but its not out of the question they may try. Jim Alan Petrillo wrote: I caught a piece of something on the news about the US Guvmint wanting to tax alternate fuel vehicles so they can pay their fair share of highway maintenance costs. Anyone know anything about this? AP ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] clarification plz, ethanol
I recently ran my non-FFV (Certified) Mitsubishi Lancer on E85 for a few weeks. I got about the same mpg rating on E85 as I do on regular 87 Octane gasoline; about 33 miles per gallon combined C/H mileage, down from my usual 34-36 mpg. I think in my case, however, this reduction was mostly due to the fact that my engine ran at a higher idle almost constantly, up to 1k RPM instead of the usual 700~RPM. Since my Service Engine light was also on the whole time (Gotta love nebulous alarms), it was probably a sensor issue telling me that I was running a little lean and the computer compensating by increasing the fuel flow. There was no reduction in power that I could tell, nor did I have any issues starting the car. The exhaust smelled nicer and I didn't have that annoying gasoline smell driving away from the station, but those have little bearing on the issue. I think bottom line is that there isn't a significant decrease in fuel economy, if there is a decrease at all, at least in my experience. An FFV shouldn't have the same problems I had with the sensors, so it's entirely possible you won't see any changes at all. A lot will also have to do with your driving style, too. I drive cautiously and don't peg the tach very often; my darling Lancer may have the pep to do a fair 0-60 clock time, but I certainly don't want to use that for anything more than I absolutely have to! And where are you, anyway? E85 around here is on average 10 cents cheaper than standard gasoline. I'm going to guess somewhere non-american since you used Petrol instead of gasoline, but the useage of gallons as your measurement says otherwise. Current price on E85 at the nearest pump (About fifteen miles from my house. It's a special trip) is ~$1.87/gallon, while 87 Octane Gasoline is about $1.95/gallon. Hope this helps! Peace -KurtOn 11/29/05, Evergreen Solutions [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, I recently found out that a local fuel wholesaler has begun selling E85 to consumers in our small town, and I'm also happy to report that my car is an FFV and capable of running it. However, I *believe* that I read somewhere that ethanol will get you *less* far per gallon than traditional petrol. On the ethanol site it talks all about 105 octane, etc, but I can't seem to find a good answer. I'm hoping someone will tell me that mpg goes up instead of down, but I'm not holding my breath. Reason? I don't make a lot of money, and this wholesaler is selling his E85 (which is advertized as being partially from waste products) for $2.799 per gallon, while regular petrol is back down to about $2.159. Directly, I can't afford to go less far for more money. And also, if anyone else out there has a local E85 seller, what are their prices in comparison to dino? Thanks in advance! ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Producing biodiesel from animal fat
Dear Mr. Duarte Nuno Januário: I would advise to manufacture separately the WVO BDand Tallow BD. For sure it is easier if you use methanol. Once you have the "biodiesels" I would add 80% WV BD + 20% Tallow BD, depending on temperature you want to use the blend. Good luck, Mr. F.J. Burgos From: Duarte Nuno Januário To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 8:46 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Producing biodiesel from animal fat Thank You Francisco I actually have a "tallow-problem-in-food-industry" to solve. I think that making biodiesel from it may be very nice and environmentally friendly solution. Im beginning to produce my own biodiesel, Im trying to do it with wvo first. Do you think that mixing tallow with vegetable oil could help to improve some of the bad properties of tallow? It would like to know some personal experiences about the proportions in which these two fats should be mixed. Duarte Nuno Januário - Original Message - From: francisco j burgos To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 6:37 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Producing biodiesel from animal fat Dear Mr. Duarte Nuno: one of the problems of obtaining BD from tallow is to have a consistent quality raw material. These days tallow is a little cheaper than a few years ago due the existing surplus because the BSE "mad cows" ilness. It is advisable to work with "soap quality" tallow, 0.25% FFA, and also you should get rid of any moist on it. Yours truly, Mr. F.J. Burgos - Original Message - From: Duarte Nuno Januário To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 7:43 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Producing biodiesel from animal fat Hello everybody! Has anyone in this list ever tried to produced biodiesel from animal fat (tallow, for instance)? The process for vegetable oils is well known, but I dont seem to find much documentation on experiences on producing biodiesel from animal fat. From what I know, the problems with animal fat are the long chains of the fatty acids / triglycerides and the high level of saturation. This means that biodiesel produced from animal fat will tend to condensate, especially at low temperatures. How can one solve this problem? I would be very pleased if someone could help me on this problem. Any reports / papers or personal experiences are welcome! Thanks, Duarte Nuno ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
