[Biofuel] Quality Issues: Big vs. Small
"Biodiesel Groups Recommend Action Plan for Minnesota Quality Problems"http://www.greencarcongress.com/2006/01/biodiesel_group.html#moreKeith / Lyle,Do you see this as an example of various BIG interests moving production "rights" further into the hands of large-scale producers, therefore, further away from backyarders and small-scale producers?I think that quality lies in the hands of the fuel maker, and that there are high quality fuel makers in commercial production, and in the back yard. There are also poor quality fuel producers in each.I don't see this as a "power grab" by the NBB or by commercial producers. I see this as a "stop gap" solution to a genuine problem, which is fuel quality in this industry.I think the fuel quality issue if well known to the NBB, which is why they have tried to encourage BQ 9000. And I think there are a tremendous amount of backyarders who are intimate with fuel quality issues. After all, it was the grassroots biodiesel movement that pushed NBB for quality standards in 2003-2004.Minnesota is a high profile example of something we have all seen before. And while it may be bruising, and while it may hurt the perception of the fuel, it's not really a new message.If you are making crappy fuel (whether you are a little coop or a giant agricultural interest) don't let it hit the streets. Lyle EstillPiedmont Biofuelswww.biofuels.coop919-321-8260Fax: 919-321-6769 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Churchill didn't say it.........
I'm sure that at least part of his training helped develop a brilliant military mind. I'm not sure many people in the UK who remember WW2 will agree with his having a "brilliant military mind". Chasing tribesmen on horseback was about his mark. The original French landings were a fiasco and we got our arses kicked, we started terror bombing civilians and surprise surprise Germany did it back to us. After the war ended Churchill ordered home all the Poles and Russians that had foughtfor us knowing what was going to happen to them.He was not liked and was removed from power at the first post war elections. Chris ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Churchill didn't say it.........
Thanks Chris.I stand corrected.MikeChris lloyd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm sure that at least part of his training helped develop a brilliant military mind. I'm not sure many people in the UK who remember WW2 will agree with his having a "brilliant military mind". Chasing tribesmen on horseback was about his mark. The original French landings were a fiasco and we got our arses kicked, we started terror bombing civilians and surprise surprise Germany did it back to us. After the war ended Churchill ordered home all the Poles and Russians that had foughtfor us knowing what was going to happen to them.He was not liked and was removed from power at the first post war elections. Chris___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] NAIS
The only possible logic I can see for this is for tracking mad cow disease. However, it would be simpler to just stop feeding cattle other bits of cattle. But the the beef industry doesn't want that. Chipped chickens? Creamed chipped beef on toast? Yeesh. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Nuclear War against Iran
Re: [Biofuel] Nuclear War against Iran Thinking about this is the only time I wish I were an old man. I just wish that if there is ever a nuclear war, I will have a clear view to see the beautiful firework show of giant fireball and mushroom before the heat wave cooked me into radioactive dust. I thought so too, a ringside seat's one of the few things worth wishing for. But I ended up hoping for a direct hit instead, I don't want to see a mushroom cloud, it'd only make me cry. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Churchill
was decidedly a mixed bag. Interestingly (I think) his reputation is better here in the US than in GB. I don't think most people know about his unreconstructed racism. He once stomped out a of a movie because it had black actors in in. I don't like Blackamoors! But early in his career he sponsored some very progressive legislation. And in the long view, he was right about one thing: The danger posed by Hitler. And just to stir the pot: Zionism versus Bolshevism. A Struggle for the Soul of the Jewish People By the *Rt. Hon. Winston S. Churchill.* SOME people like Jews and some do not; but no thoughtful man can doubt the fact that they are beyond all question the most formidable and the most remarkable race which has ever appeared in the world. And it may well be that this same astounding race may at the present time be in the actual process of producing another system of morals and philosophy, as malevolent as Christianity was benevolent, which, if not arrested would shatter irretrievably all that Christianity has rendered possible. It would almost seem as if the gospel of Christ and the gospel of Antichrist were destined to originate among the same people; and that this mystic and mysterious race had been chosen for the supreme manifestations, both of the divine and the diabolical. The National Russian Jews, in spite of the disabilities under which they have suffered, have managed to play an honourable and successful part in the national life even of Russia. As bankers and industrialists they have strenuously promoted the development of Russia's economic resources, and they were foremost in the creation of those remarkable organisations, the Russian Cooperative Societies. In politics their support has been given, for the most part, to liberal and progressive movements, and they have been among the staunchest upholders of friendship with France and Great Britain. *International Jews.* In violent opposition to all this sphere of Jewish effort rise the schemes of the International Jews. The adherents of this sinister confederacy are mostly men reared up among the unhappy populations of countries where Jews are persecuted on account of their race. Most, if not all, of them have forsaken the faith of their forefathers, and divorced from their minds all spiritual hopes of the next world. This movement among the Jews is not new. From the days of Spartacus- Weishaupt to those of Karl Marx, and down to Trotsky (Russia), Bela Kun (Hungary), Rosa Luxembourg (Germany), and Emma Goldman (United States), this world-wide conspiracy for the overthrow of civilisation and for the reconstitution of society on the basis of arrested development, of envious malevolence, and impossible equality, has been steadily growing. It played, as a modern writer, Mrs. Webster, has so ably shown, a definitely recognisable part in the tragedy of the French Revolution. It has been the mainspring of every subversive movement during the Nineteenth Century; and now at last this band of extraordinary personalities from the underworld of the great cities of Europe and America have gripped the Russian people by the hair of their heads and have become practically the undisputed masters of that enormous empire. *Terrorist Jews.* There is no need to exaggerate the part played in the creation of Bolshevism and an the actual bringing about of the Russian Revolution: by these international and for the most part atheistical Jews. It is certainly a very great one; it probably outweighs all others. With the notable exception of Lenin, the majority of the leading figures are Jews. Moreover, the principal inspiration and driving power comes from the Jewish leaders. Thus Tchitcherin, a pure Russian, is eclipsed by his nominal subordinate Litvinoff, and the influence of Russians like Bukharin or Lunacharski cannot be compared with the power of Trotsky, or of Zinovieff, the Dictator of the Red Citadel (Petrograd), or of Krassin or Radek -- all Jews. In the Soviet institutions the predominance of Jews is even more astonishing. And the prominent, if not indeed the principal, part in the system of terrorism applied by the Extraordinary Commissions for Combating Counter-Revolution has been taken by Jews, and in some notable cases by Jewesses. The same evil prominence was obtained by Jews in the brief period of terror during which Bela Kun ruled in Hungary. The same phenomenon has been presented in Germany (especially in Bavaria), so far as this madness has been allowed to prey upon the temporary prostration of the German people. Although in all these countries there are many non-Jews every whit as bad as the worst of the Jewish revolutionaries, the part
Re: [Biofuel] Nuclear War against Iran
I do recall the movie The Day After. Prior to that I hadn't thought of any oh crap reaction of people witness to the launch of ICBMs, understanding, that incoming will be soon on their way. I have no doubt, in the event of nuclear war, the grinding collapse of society may be inevitable. I feel that we should be concerned about the less than nuclear events that could start that grinding collapse. Where the attack on the WTC took place at a time, when the political party in power in the USA was one that has little regard for basic rights, the slow grind has begun, IMO. The upside is that it can be stopped if there is the will. Doug - Original Message - From: bob allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 4:11 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Nuclear War against Iran Without doubt, the scariest nuclear war scenario was the movie The Day After. There was very little of the explosive destruction kinds of stuff. Rather it portrayed the inevitable grinding collapse of society. Truly frightening. http://www.museum.tv/archives/etv/D/htmlD/dayafterth/dayafter.htm ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: [lost-arts] Help Stop the USDA
- Original Message - From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 9:57 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: [lost-arts] Help Stop the USDA And the rationale behind this? At least the official rationale? I can think of one. How about start with the animals and get the system down pat. Then with the stroke of a pen go for the humans? Todd Swearingen Well.. the go for humans is called the Real ID act, Todd. Doug ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: [lost-arts] Help Stop the USDA
Appal Energy wrote: And the rationale behind this? At least the official rationale? I can think of one. How about start with the animals and get the system down pat. Then with the stroke of a pen go for the humans? I thought it was obvious. The stated goal as I understand it is to be able to track disease. Mad cow has been mentioned, but bird flu is a likely up-and-comer. That may well be cover, of course, it could be about driving the smaller producers out of business. --- David ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] NAIS
Bells whistles to make it look like Mad Cow is caught somewhere. A way for the meat industry to shed blame on nature and away from themselves, IMHO. These people are smart, forward thinking and always have the government on their side. Lillie - Original Message - From: Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 10:44 AM Subject: [Biofuel] NAIS The only possible logic I can see for this is for tracking mad cow disease. However, it would be simpler to just stop feeding cattle other bits of cattle. But the the beef industry doesn't want that. Chipped chickens? Creamed chipped beef on toast? Yeesh. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
