date:20060411

Hello Tom

>I do not know if you will get the same chemical reaction with 93% vs.
>95%. It may not be a simple calculation that more would be needed, as
>chemical reactions can differ with the amount of concentrate, heat,
>etc.

True, but I don't think that's a concern here. Could be wrong, but 
IMO it's just a matter of whether there's enough acid to do the job 
and how much the extra impurities will interfere with the reaction.

Professional acid-base processing uses 97%+ sulphuric acid, but Aleks 
found 95% works just fine and it's cheaper. There should be a good 
possibility 93% might just edge in there on the same basis.

>You can buy 95%-98% sulfuric acid, ACS Reagent Grade at ChemLab
>Supply in Phoenix, Arizona.
>
>Does anyone know how much sulfur is ultimately emitted by using
>sulfuric acid as a catalyst?

None. It's just the catalyst, it doesn't take part in the reaction, 
just facilitates it. Acid-base biodiesel contains no sulphur, same as 
single-stage base biodiesel. The sulphur goes out in the wash-water, 
to good effect if you're using it on the land, sulphur is a plant 
nutrient.

>If it was used on a wide scale, could it
>contribute significantly to acid rain?

Not at all.

Glad your warning bells are in good order though. :-)

Best

Keith

>Tom Rothweiler
>
>
>
>
>On Apr 10, 2006, at 3:40 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> > in the foolproof method, as defined on the JTF web site, it is stated
> > to use 95% sulphuric acid. This is hard to get these days for an
> > individual and somewhat costly. however there is an old fashioned drain
> > cleaner whose MSDS reports is 93% sulphuric acid. oddly enough anybody
> > can buy gallons with no problem. Does anybody know if this slightly
> > less percentage will work?
> >   r. Allison

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Re: [Biofuel] sulphuric acids

Hello Jim

>Keith,
>Should he add 2-3 % more acid to make up the amount he is missing or
>would this just add more water?

It would add more water (if it's water) but I don't know about the "just".

I'd say first try it as-is. Following that, the three variables you 
have to play with in the first stage are quantity, duration and 
temperature. Small test-batches of course.

Glad you're getting good results in your garden Jim! :-)

Best

Keith



>Keith Addison wrote:
>
> >The extra water might not make any difference, as Joe Street and I
> >were saying a month or so back. Some water is acceptable, but just
> >how much is not easy to say, so it's safer to get rid of any and all
> >water if you can. But your 93% sulphuric is worth a try. Start with
> >low-FFA oil, preferably test batches with virgin oil.
> >
> >Best
> >
> >Keith
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>Try it, then you can tell us. Lol.
> >>But seriously though, I would guess that the extra 2% is most likely either
> >>water or a gelling agent to make it thicker and stickier. Water will give
> >>you some extra soap in your wash, not sure what a gelling agent might do. I
> >>would suggest investing your two dollars in a bottle of this 
>stuff and going
> >>back to the one litre test batch stage to see how it works.
> >>Regards,
> >>Bob
> >>
> >>- Original Message -
> >>From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>To: 
> >>Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 11:40 PM
> >>Subject: [Biofuel] sulphuric acids
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>in the foolproof method, as defined on the JTF web site, it is stated
> >>>to use 95% sulphuric acid. This is hard to get these days for an
> >>>individual and somewhat costly. however there is an old fashioned drain
> >>>cleaner whose MSDS reports is 93% sulphuric acid. oddly enough anybody
> >>>can buy gallons with no problem. Does anybody know if this slightly
> >>>less percentage will work?
> >>> r. Allison


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[Biofuel] pressure ready tanks

does anyone know what i could use CO2 tanks for? i may have the opportunity 
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Re: [Biofuel] he he he - dump find!

2006-04-11 Thread Zeke Yewdall

Some friends of mine dumpster dived professionally (I guess that's
what you'd call it) last summer.  And sold the stuff at garage sales. 
 For a while they were making more than I was as an engineer.  They
found some mighty good stuff -- all kinds of almost brand new or
actually brand new clothes, tools, appliances, food, etc  it's
crazy what our society throws out. Especially in a rich college town
like this.

On 4/11/06, Michael Luich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Is it so wrong that i'm gigling over finding what seems to be a
> perfectly good 40gal electric hot water heater at the dump?!
>
> Today's dump run yielded a wonderful find. An electric hot water
> heater! It looked in great shape sitting there. No obvious problems,
> and only rust stains on the bottom, no actual rust. I took a chance
> and started yanking it out from the middle of the pile, My oldest son
> rolling his eye's and saying "moms gonna be mad" the whole time.
> Seeing as dump diving is against the rules at my dump I just glared at
> him.
>
> Well I got it home and it looks good. You can see in the pics that the
> surface rust starts just under the upper heating coil! I'll pull it
> out and clean it It's probaly just the fitting!
>
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Re: [Biofuel] Loose Change -- new video sheds new light on 9/11 -second thoughts




Remember Bush was head of the CIA and other 3 
letter agencies, do not think he has moved and left no connections from senior 
to Junior. What other countries can get father & son as their tops with 
direct involvement and connections to 3 letter agencies? So why not impeach two 
Presidents within ten minutes? B followed by C?
 
Doug 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Martin 
  Kemple 
  To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org 
  
  Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 7:57 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Loose Change -- 
  new video sheds new light on 9/11 -second thoughts
  These are all good points, I.S. For more skepticism on "Loose 
  Change", see:http://www.indybay.org/news/2005/12/1787340.php and a number of 
  websites cited therein. I haven't sorted it all through yet, and even the 
  above site coulditself be a dupe. Who knows? Bottom line for me, though, is 
  that we already have more than enoughgoods to send up Bush-Cheney. (And always 
  remember to include themboth together. Surely, Cheney is Dr. Strangeglove 
  incarnate. Hell, Iwouldn't be surprised if Deadeye Dick's got stock in the 
  "ImpeachBush" brigade, if not masterminding it) Make no mistake, Cheney's 
  gotta go too; even moreso. Bush is thestooge-monkey playing the accordion in 
  front of the audience. -Martin K.On Apr 11, 2006, at 4:10 PM, I. S. 
  wrote:
  At the risk of generating a huge amount of hate mail, I haveto 
point out that Bush's real crime was ignoring the FBI warnings aswell as 
failing to act on the August 6th presidential daily briefingtitled "Osama 
Bin Ladin determined to strike inside US".  No warningto the airlines - 
why not?  If Bush deliberately allowed terrorists tomake a strike 
on US soil, isn't that alone grounds for impeachment andcharges of treason? 
  Think a little bit, folks! - if the CIA or some other 
governmentagency wanted to fake a terrorist attack on US soil, all they'd 
haveto do is park four huge truck bombs under the WTC, scatter some 
Arabcorpses around with "Holy Jihad" letters, and blow the thing up.  
Noneed for elaborate bombs in the WTC, planes being hijacked, missleshitting 
the Pentagon, etc.  However, if fanatical Al Queda recruitsmotivated by 
US occupation of Saudi soil, the Israeli-Palestineconflict, and 
fundamentalist ideology wanted to do this, planes seemthe only way they 
could have done it - with the deliberate blind eyeof Bush to assist 
them, that is.   Loose Change in my opinion is a government produced 
disinformationfilm designed to produce deep divisions within the anti-war 
andimpeach-bush movements; it is also designed to drive a wedge 
between9/11 families and other protestors.  This is the essence of 
manygovernment propaganda / disinformation campaigns.  Compare it to 
theNOVA special on the collapse of the twin towers, and JUDGE FORYOURSELF! 
  http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/wtc/ 
  Now, I'm perfectly willing to admit I could be wrong - unlike 
the"9/11 Truth Networks", I hold that careful analysis and 
independentthinking are prerequisites for any investigation.  However, 
I thinkthat the evidence show that Bush was forewarned about 9/11 
anddeliberately failed to act.  The question should be this: "What 
didthe President and his advisors know, and when did they know it?"  
Ibelieve that the answer to that simple question would lead to 
theimpeachment of Bush on charges of treason.   Peter I. Solem   
Michael Redler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: I've done some 
research on events discussed in this video. The factsabout Operation 
North Woods was in fact discussed in Noam Chomsky'sbook Hegemony or 
Survival. It has a lot of credible information.   In a documentary, 
it's absolutely critical to be accurate with ALLYOUR RESEARCH.   
On July 28th, 1945, a B-25 crashed into the Empire State Building -NOT A 
B-52! I doubt that the B-52 was even in development in 1945.   
S**T!!! That's frustrating!   Mike"D. 
Mindock"<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:  
Thevideo 
brings up new info that I've not seen before. The video makersdid do a lot 
of work to pull a lot sources together. The 9/11 tradgedywas, 
in spite of all the effort by the gov, a bungled job. It doesn'tstand up to 
intelligent scrutiny. Now it is our job to getthe disgusting 
thugs out of office and into prison. They(Bush/Cheney/et. 
al.) ARE the real enemy combatants. Peace, D. Mindock   
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Re: [Biofuel] Fw: Honoring the Sacred Core of Islam

i did not explain myself well on the topic of the exodus, i meant the 
slavery and oppression leading to it. the exodus was an escape from the 
cruelties of greed and power.

- Original Message - 
From: "Hakan Falk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 9:56 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fw: Honoring the Sacred Core of Islam


>
> I think that we are at the same footing in this, only that the jihad
> for the muslims, is not comparable to the exodus for the Jews or the
> crusades for the Christians. It is a Christian translation, to
> connect it with any sort of violence. As I understand Jihad, it is
> more comparable with pilgrimage than the war like crusades.
>
> I am not subscribing to any specific religion either and that is why
> I react on the extremities. The processes does not accelerate, it is
> certain problems. Maybe the UN-US-European allowed creation of Israel
> as a pure Jewish state was a stupid mistake, but it cannot be
> corrected now and a sustainable solution to this problem must be
> found and implemented. It is of utmost importance that the
> Palestinian people get a sustainable solution also and this on equal
> basis and recognition. UN-US-Europe must take their responsibilities
> to find and support such a solution both with money and actions. Most
> of the problems that we have now, is because US recently have acted
> as a dishonest broker. A couple of US presidents have honestly tried,
> I am thinking of Carter and Clinton, but the current president Bush
> is a disaster for the whole issue.
>
> Hakan
>
>
> At 03:25 12/04/2006, you wrote:
>>i dont really take stock in any religion, so i think i can see a lot of 
>>the
>>problems with this topic. first of all, god does not create power, but
>>gather it from those who believe in him/her/them, making it an item of
>>thought. coming from so many places and people who have their own versions
>>of this idea, we fail to see the original idea from a time long forgotten.
>>it is like a book that has been re-interpreted and re-printed hundreds of
>>times- with every new editor comes a different story. the only correlation
>>between these versions now is the concept of peace and trust, which during
>>the last few centuries has been buried in things like the acts and events
>>leading to the exodus, the crusades, and today's jihad.
>>the versions have become more skewed and removed from the original over
>>time, but that process is accelerating like never before, and that is
>>causing major problems. if someone could find the first "book" in this 
>>long
>>chain of reproductions a large number of problems would be remedied.
>>
>>- Original Message -
>>From: "Hakan Falk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>To: 
>>Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 6:02 AM
>>Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fw: Honoring the Sacred Core of Islam
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Interesting, but why do not tell that
>>Christianity is the one of God's "spin off" that,
>>historically and presently, is the most violent,
>>indifferent and brutal version. Islam is probably
>>on average least violent, even if you look at
>>current statistics also. If you truly worship
>>God, you must also accept all by humans created
>>religious versions and different views of Jesus
>>role and part in it. The Muslims and Jews,
>>recognize him as a prophet, but the Christians is
>>killing those who do not accept that he was God's
>>son and have done so for hundreds of years. In my
>>view, the religious people that fail to be
>>inclusive, and realize that they all belong to
>>the combined group of Christians, Muslims and
>>Jews, are faltering in their belief in God and
>>his basic laws. Then we have the complete idiots,
>>who belive that war would in any way further
>>God's interest. It is sad when they occupy
>>important leader positions and create havoc among
>>all God's children. That Bush is not stroke by
>>lightning, is a major proof to falter in the
>>general belive in God's existence. What is
>>proven, is that humanity consist of a majority of stupid religious idiots.
>>
>>Hakan
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [Biofuel] Fw: Honoring the Sacred Core of Islam

hmmm, i didnt mean book as such , but yes i agree
- Original Message - 
From: "lres1" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 9:49 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fw: Honoring the Sacred Core of Islam


>
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Jason & Katie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 8:25 AM
> Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fw: Honoring the Sacred Core of Islam
>
>
>> i dont really take stock in any religion, so i think i can see a lot of
> the
>> problems with this topic. first of all, god does not create power, but
>> gather it from those who believe in him/her/them, making it an item of
>> thought. coming from so many places and people who have their own 
>> versions
>> of this idea, we fail to see the original idea from a time long 
>> forgotten.
>> it is like a book that has been re-interpreted and re-printed hundreds of
>> times- with every new editor comes a different story. the only 
>> correlation
>> between these versions now is the concept of peace and trust, which 
>> during
>> the last few centuries has been buried in things like the acts and events
>> leading to the exodus, the crusades, and today's jihad.
>> the versions have become more skewed and removed from the original over
>> time, but that process is accelerating like never before, and that is
>> causing major problems. if someone could find the first "book" in this
> long
>> chain of reproductions a large number of problems would be remedied.
>
> There was/is no first book as such. Words were not there. The basis was
> living in harmony with nature, living with empathy for each other,
> considering your effect on the greater. That first book was not in ink but
> stapled inside of every person. Hunter gatherers spend much more time
> socializing than the "developed" world, their whole day involves a lot of
> social activities. The yard stick for progression/evolution in regards
> humanity has been in material growth. If the yard stick were to have been 
> a
> more scientific/spiritual or religious one then perhaps we would not be in
> the mess we are today. The forces surrounding humanity for hundreds of 
> years
> has been with external control of the individual, and thus the masses, by 
> an
> elite minority. What if we were to have functioned as a group of purpose
> unified yet separate
> entities as one whole. Some caretakers we have turned out to be? Lets hope
> we can change/repair in the allotted time.
>
> Doug
>
>>
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Hakan Falk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: 
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 6:02 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fw: Honoring the Sacred Core of Islam
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Interesting, but why do not tell that
>> Christianity is the one of God's "spin off" that,
>> historically and presently, is the most violent,
>> indifferent and brutal version. Islam is probably
>> on average least violent, even if you look at
>> current statistics also. If you truly worship
>> God, you must also accept all by humans created
>> religious versions and different views of Jesus
>> role and part in it. The Muslims and Jews,
>> recognize him as a prophet, but the Christians is
>> killing those who do not accept that he was God's
>> son and have done so for hundreds of years. In my
>> view, the religious people that fail to be
>> inclusive, and realize that they all belong to
>> the combined group of Christians, Muslims and
>> Jews, are faltering in their belief in God and
>> his basic laws. Then we have the complete idiots,
>> who belive that war would in any way further
>> God's interest. It is sad when they occupy
>> important leader positions and create havoc among
>> all God's children. That Bush is not stroke by
>> lightning, is a major proof to falter in the
>> general belive in God's existence. What is
>> proven, is that humanity consist of a majority of stupid religious 
>> idiots.
>>
>> Hakan
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [Biofuel] Fw: Honoring the Sacred Core of Islam



- Original Message - 
From: "Jason & Katie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 8:25 AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fw: Honoring the Sacred Core of Islam


> i dont really take stock in any religion, so i think i can see a lot of
the
> problems with this topic. first of all, god does not create power, but
> gather it from those who believe in him/her/them, making it an item of
> thought. coming from so many places and people who have their own versions
> of this idea, we fail to see the original idea from a time long forgotten.
> it is like a book that has been re-interpreted and re-printed hundreds of
> times- with every new editor comes a different story. the only correlation
> between these versions now is the concept of peace and trust, which during
> the last few centuries has been buried in things like the acts and events
> leading to the exodus, the crusades, and today's jihad.
> the versions have become more skewed and removed from the original over
> time, but that process is accelerating like never before, and that is
> causing major problems. if someone could find the first "book" in this
long
> chain of reproductions a large number of problems would be remedied.

There was/is no first book as such. Words were not there. The basis was
living in harmony with nature, living with empathy for each other,
considering your effect on the greater. That first book was not in ink but
stapled inside of every person. Hunter gatherers spend much more time
socializing than the "developed" world, their whole day involves a lot of
social activities. The yard stick for progression/evolution in regards
humanity has been in material growth. If the yard stick were to have been a
more scientific/spiritual or religious one then perhaps we would not be in
the mess we are today. The forces surrounding humanity for hundreds of years
has been with external control of the individual, and thus the masses, by an
elite minority. What if we were to have functioned as a group of purpose
unified yet separate
entities as one whole. Some caretakers we have turned out to be? Lets hope
we can change/repair in the allotted time.

Doug

>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Hakan Falk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 6:02 AM
> Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fw: Honoring the Sacred Core of Islam
>
>
>
>
> Interesting, but why do not tell that
> Christianity is the one of God's "spin off" that,
> historically and presently, is the most violent,
> indifferent and brutal version. Islam is probably
> on average least violent, even if you look at
> current statistics also. If you truly worship
> God, you must also accept all by humans created
> religious versions and different views of Jesus
> role and part in it. The Muslims and Jews,
> recognize him as a prophet, but the Christians is
> killing those who do not accept that he was God's
> son and have done so for hundreds of years. In my
> view, the religious people that fail to be
> inclusive, and realize that they all belong to
> the combined group of Christians, Muslims and
> Jews, are faltering in their belief in God and
> his basic laws. Then we have the complete idiots,
> who belive that war would in any way further
> God's interest. It is sad when they occupy
> important leader positions and create havoc among
> all God's children. That Bush is not stroke by
> lightning, is a major proof to falter in the
> general belive in God's existence. What is
> proven, is that humanity consist of a majority of stupid religious idiots.
>
> Hakan
>
>
>
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Re: [Biofuel] Fw: Honoring the Sacred Core of Islam

2006-04-11 Thread Hakan Falk


I think that we are at the same footing in this, only that the jihad 
for the muslims, is not comparable to the exodus for the Jews or the 
crusades for the Christians. It is a Christian translation, to 
connect it with any sort of violence. As I understand Jihad, it is 
more comparable with pilgrimage than the war like crusades.

I am not subscribing to any specific religion either and that is why 
I react on the extremities. The processes does not accelerate, it is 
certain problems. Maybe the UN-US-European allowed creation of Israel 
as a pure Jewish state was a stupid mistake, but it cannot be 
corrected now and a sustainable solution to this problem must be 
found and implemented. It is of utmost importance that the 
Palestinian people get a sustainable solution also and this on equal 
basis and recognition. UN-US-Europe must take their responsibilities 
to find and support such a solution both with money and actions. Most 
of the problems that we have now, is because US recently have acted 
as a dishonest broker. A couple of US presidents have honestly tried, 
I am thinking of Carter and Clinton, but the current president Bush 
is a disaster for the whole issue.

Hakan


At 03:25 12/04/2006, you wrote:
>i dont really take stock in any religion, so i think i can see a lot of the
>problems with this topic. first of all, god does not create power, but
>gather it from those who believe in him/her/them, making it an item of
>thought. coming from so many places and people who have their own versions
>of this idea, we fail to see the original idea from a time long forgotten.
>it is like a book that has been re-interpreted and re-printed hundreds of
>times- with every new editor comes a different story. the only correlation
>between these versions now is the concept of peace and trust, which during
>the last few centuries has been buried in things like the acts and events
>leading to the exodus, the crusades, and today's jihad.
>the versions have become more skewed and removed from the original over
>time, but that process is accelerating like never before, and that is
>causing major problems. if someone could find the first "book" in this long
>chain of reproductions a large number of problems would be remedied.
>
>- Original Message -
>From: "Hakan Falk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: 
>Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 6:02 AM
>Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fw: Honoring the Sacred Core of Islam
>
>
>
>
>Interesting, but why do not tell that
>Christianity is the one of God's "spin off" that,
>historically and presently, is the most violent,
>indifferent and brutal version. Islam is probably
>on average least violent, even if you look at
>current statistics also. If you truly worship
>God, you must also accept all by humans created
>religious versions and different views of Jesus
>role and part in it. The Muslims and Jews,
>recognize him as a prophet, but the Christians is
>killing those who do not accept that he was God's
>son and have done so for hundreds of years. In my
>view, the religious people that fail to be
>inclusive, and realize that they all belong to
>the combined group of Christians, Muslims and
>Jews, are faltering in their belief in God and
>his basic laws. Then we have the complete idiots,
>who belive that war would in any way further
>God's interest. It is sad when they occupy
>important leader positions and create havoc among
>all God's children. That Bush is not stroke by
>lightning, is a major proof to falter in the
>general belive in God's existence. What is
>proven, is that humanity consist of a majority of stupid religious idiots.
>
>Hakan
>
>
>
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[Biofuel] Re fraud warning - Re: Loose Change -- new video sheds new light on 9/11

Relax folks, or relax about this anyway. The list server put the 
fraud warning there, we all should have got it.

"MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt from "t.ymlp.com" 
claiming to be..."

We asked the list's host service to add blanket MailScanner 
protection for the list last year sometime after the list (and all 
other lists) got bombarded by a new-generation virus and a bunch of 
list members panicked. Messages like this are part of the downside.

It's something that can happen when people send html coded messages, 
like that one was. The list rejects some/most of them and MailScanner 
often doesn't like the coded urls.

To all:

ALL LIST MESSAGES SHOULD BE IN PLAIN TEXT.

If the default on your emailer is set to "html" then change it back 
to ASCII plain text.

Ah, it'll never happen though, sigh...

Best

Keith Addison
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KYOTO Pref., Japan
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Biofuel list owner

>Biofuel@sustainablelists.org wrote:
>copy the url proper (not the entire hotlink) and paste it into your
>browser.
>
>Todd Swearingen
>
>The message was in the content of my email, but it did not
>interfere with pasting the URL into my browser.
>Marilyn
>
>Bob Carr wrote:
>
> > Hi just went to check this movie out and got a warning that it
>could
> > be a fraud attempt. Could this be the big brother intervention
>that
> > other threads have warned about? I wonder?
> > Bob

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Re: [Biofuel] sulphuric acids

2006-04-11 Thread Tom Rothweiler

I do not know if you will get the same chemical reaction with 93% vs.  
95%. It may not be a simple calculation that more would be needed, as  
chemical reactions can differ with the amount of concentrate, heat,  
etc. You can buy 95%-98% sulfuric acid, ACS Reagent Grade at ChemLab  
Supply in Phoenix, Arizona.

Does anyone know how much sulfur is ultimately emitted by using  
sulfuric acid as a catalyst? If it was used on a wide scale, could it  
contribute significantly to acid rain?

Tom Rothweiler

On Apr 10, 2006, at 3:40 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> in the foolproof method, as defined on the JTF web site, it is stated
> to use 95% sulphuric acid. This is hard to get these days for an
> individual and somewhat costly. however there is an old fashioned drain
> cleaner whose MSDS reports is 93% sulphuric acid. oddly enough anybody
> can buy gallons with no problem. Does anybody know if this slightly
> less percentage will work?
>   r. Allison
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[Biofuel] he he he - dump find!

2006-04-11 Thread Michael Luich

Is it so wrong that i'm gigling over finding what seems to be a
perfectly good 40gal electric hot water heater at the dump?!

Today's dump run yielded a wonderful find. An electric hot water
heater! It looked in great shape sitting there. No obvious problems,
and only rust stains on the bottom, no actual rust. I took a chance
and started yanking it out from the middle of the pile, My oldest son
rolling his eye's and saying "moms gonna be mad" the whole time. 
Seeing as dump diving is against the rules at my dump I just glared at
him.

Well I got it home and it looks good. You can see in the pics that the
surface rust starts just under the upper heating coil! I'll pull it
out and clean it It's probaly just the fitting!

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[Biofuel] WoodGas/Sysgas compressed for vehicle Fuel

2006-04-11 Thread




Why 
not compress Woodgas and run it in larger vehicles, buss, trucks and 
such.
The 
vehicles would need to be large enough to handle the storage tanks. 

 
Woodgas is about:
   CO 22% 

   H2  
18%
   CH4 
3%
   CO2 6% 

   N2  51% 

The 
excessive N2 in the gas causes problem 
with storage.
 
So why 
not use a concentrated O2 gasifier (IE: Sysgas generator). Maybe a PSA type O2 
concentrator, to say 85-90% O2. 
This 
would give you about:

   CO 37% 

   H2  
37%
   CH4 
3%
   CO214%  
-  Removal by compression liquefying. (900 PSI @ 25C)
   
N2   9% 

This 
would make the final compressed gas about 95% fuel and 5% 
N2(inert)
 
Has 
anyone ever heard of this being done ?
 
Thanks
Mark
 
Data 
from http://www.woodgas.com/gasification.htm 
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Re: [Biofuel] Loose Change -- new video sheds new light on 9/11 - second thoughts

2006-04-11 Thread Martin Kemple

These are all good points, I.S.
For more skepticism on "Loose Change", see: http://www.indybay.org/news/2005/12/1787340.php
and a number of websites cited therein.
I haven't sorted it all through yet, and even the above site could itself be a dupe. Who knows?
Bottom line for me, though, is that we already have more than enough goods to send up Bush-Cheney. (And always remember to include them both together. Surely, Cheney is Dr. Strangeglove incarnate. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if Deadeye Dick's got stock in the "Impeach Bush" brigade, if not masterminding it)
Make no mistake, Cheney's gotta go too; even moreso. Bush is the stooge-monkey playing the accordion in front of the audience.
-Martin K.

On Apr 11, 2006, at 4:10 PM, I. S. wrote:

At the risk of generating a huge amount of hate mail, I have to point out that Bush's real crime was ignoring the FBI warnings as well as failing to act on the August 6th presidential daily briefing titled "Osama Bin Ladin determined to strike inside US". No warning to the airlines - why not? If Bush deliberately allowed terrorists to make a strike on US soil, isn't that alone grounds for impeachment and charges of treason?
Think a little bit, folks! - if the CIA or some other government agency wanted to fake a terrorist attack on US soil, all they'd have to do is park four huge truck bombs under the WTC, scatter some Arab corpses around with "Holy Jihad" letters, and blow the thing up. No need for elaborate bombs in the WTC, planes being hijacked, missles hitting the Pentagon, etc. However, if fanatical Al Queda recruits motivated by US occupation of Saudi soil, the Israeli-Palestine conflict, and fundamentalist ideology wanted to do this, planes seem the only way they could have done it - with the deliberate blind eye of Bush to assist them, that is.
Loose Change in my opinion is a government produced disinformation film designed to produce deep divisions within the anti-war and impeach-bush movements; it is also designed to drive a wedge between 9/11 families and other protestors. This is the essence of many government propaganda / disinformation campaigns. Compare it to the NOVA special on the collapse of the twin towers, and JUDGE FOR YOURSELF!
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/wtc/
Now, I'm perfectly willing to admit I could be wrong - unlike the "9/11 Truth Networks", I hold that careful analysis and independent thinking are prerequisites for any investigation. However, I think that the evidence show that Bush was forewarned about 9/11 and deliberately failed to act. The question should be this: "What did the President and his advisors know, and when did they know it?" I believe that the answer to that simple question would lead to the impeachment of Bush on charges of treason.
Peter I. Solem
Michael Redler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
I've done some research on events discussed in this video. The facts about Operation North Woods was in fact discussed in Noam Chomsky's book Hegemony or Survival. It has a lot of credible information.
In a documentary, it's absolutely critical to be accurate with ALL YOUR RESEARCH.
On July 28th, 1945, a B-25 crashed into the Empire State Building - NOT A B-52! I doubt that the B-52 was even in development in 1945.
S**T!!! That's frustrating!
Mike

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Re: [Biofuel] sulphuric acids

2006-04-11 Thread JJJN

Keith,
Should he add 2-3 % more acid to make up the amount he is missing or 
would this just add more water?

Keith Addison wrote:

>The extra water might not make any difference, as Joe Street and I 
>were saying a month or so back. Some water is acceptable, but just 
>how much is not easy to say, so it's safer to get rid of any and all 
>water if you can. But your 93% sulphuric is worth a try. Start with 
>low-FFA oil, preferably test batches with virgin oil.
>
>Best
>
>Keith
>
>
>  
>
>>Try it, then you can tell us. Lol.
>>But seriously though, I would guess that the extra 2% is most likely either
>>water or a gelling agent to make it thicker and stickier. Water will give
>>you some extra soap in your wash, not sure what a gelling agent might do. I
>>would suggest investing your two dollars in a bottle of this stuff and going
>>back to the one litre test batch stage to see how it works.
>>Regards,
>>Bob
>>
>>- Original Message -
>>From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>To: 
>>Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 11:40 PM
>>Subject: [Biofuel] sulphuric acids
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>in the foolproof method, as defined on the JTF web site, it is stated
>>>to use 95% sulphuric acid. This is hard to get these days for an
>>>individual and somewhat costly. however there is an old fashioned drain
>>>cleaner whose MSDS reports is 93% sulphuric acid. oddly enough anybody
>>>can buy gallons with no problem. Does anybody know if this slightly
>>>less percentage will work?
>>> r. Allison
>>>  
>>>
>
>
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Re: [Biofuel] Biodiesel test results

2006-04-11 Thread JJJN

Thanks again Keith,
I had great confidence in the tests at JtF before but even more now.  I 
make them all a routine part of processing - when I have oil.  That 
problem is starting to work out so today the future is not as black as 
yesterday.   I also would like to say thanks for the organic gardening 
and composting side of JtF.  My compost is really something this spring 
- My Garden will now have a foot of soil for planting!

Thanks,
Jim

Keith Addison wrote:

>Greetings all
>
>I mentioned a few months ago that we're doing some research 
>collaboration with a local biofuels company here. They have biodiesel 
>projects running in Japan and Southeast Asia, along with a business 
>partnership with the chemistry professor at a major Japanese 
>technical university in Tokyo. So we get access to the university's 
>chemistry department GC, the Gas Chromatograph ("gaskro" in 
>Japanese), to test our biodiesel, among other things.
>
>They ran the first test for us last October, of a sample of our 
>normal full-scale production run WVO biodiesel, not test-batch stuff. 
>The chemistry department's comment on the report sheet was "Very 
>clean biodiesel!" The cleanest they'd seen, they said later - how do 
>we make such good biodiesel from WVO?
>
>Anyway, it showed an ester content of 98.5%, compared with the EU 
>standard requirement of minimum 96.5%, very good completion.
>
>So this is what you can achieve by using the quality tests at the 
>Journey to Forever website Biodiesel section to guide your processing.
>
>It's very close, but not perfect - despite the high ester content, 
>both the monoglyceride and diglyceride levels were higher than the EU 
>standards specify. Completion is the crucial factor, and with such a 
>good completion rate the excess MGs and DGs didn't bother me a lot, 
>and it could easily be adjusted anyway.
>
>This is an advantage of acid-base processing. Not for novices! we all 
>warn - unless you know what you're at, when you hit that inevitable 
>problem batch you'll be thrown by all the extra variables in the 
>acid-base process and you won't know how to troubleshoot it. So learn 
>the basics first.
>
>Truly. But when you do know the basics, all those variables make it 
>easy to identify where a problem lies and very easy to fine-tune the 
>process. There are more controls you can use.
>
>We just got the results of a further series of GC tests of three 
>production-run samples which demonstrate this quite well. The figures 
>show a curve.
>
>21 Oct 2005 - Handmade Projects biodiesel 1st test results
>
>10 April 2006 - Results of Handmade Projects samples #1 Biodiesel, #2 
>Biodiesel, #4 Biodiesel (sample #3 was not biodiesel)
>
>Standard - European biodiesel standard EN 14214 of 2003.
>
>Ester content (% mass)
>EN 14214: >96.5
>1st test: 98.5
>#1 Biodiesel: 98.49
>#2 Biodiesel: 98.73
>#4 Biodiesel: 99.09
>
>Monoglyceride (% mass)
>EN 14214: <0.8
>1st test: 0.93
>#1 Biodiesel: 0.77
>#2 Biodiesel: 0.65
>#4 Biodiesel: 0.62
>
>Diglyceride (% mass)
>EN 14214: <0.2
>1st test: 0.57
>#1 Biodiesel: 0.74
>#2 Biodiesel: 0.61
>#4 Biodiesel: 0.28
>
>Triglyceride (% mass)
>EN 14214: <0.2
>1st test: 0
>#1 Biodiesel: 0
>#2 Biodiesel: 0
>#4 Biodiesel: 0
>
>Sample #4 has very good completion and the MG level is now well 
>within spec, but the DG level is still 0.08% too high.
>
>We'd planned a further two tests and we'll go ahead with those now (I 
>just ran the batch for the first sample today). These tests will 
>vanish that excess 0.08% of DGs, and teach me much besides.
>
>I wouldn't have done all this if I didn't have such good access to 
>the gaskro. If someone had told me we had good completion, well above 
>spec, but the MGs and DGs were too high I'd have gone straight to the 
>second of the two tests I'm doing now and fixed it in one step. But 
>it's great to be able to get such accurate confirmation of how these 
>variables work. We'd never be able to afford these gaskro tests here 
>any other way, testing just one sample at commercial lab rates costs 
>US$6,000.
>
>Anyway, it's further confirmation that the backyard brewers' cheapo 
>kitchen-sink quality tests will indeed guide you to a high-quality 
>product, and that the one-step-at-a-time learning path is the way to 
>go.
>
>The tests are here, by the way:
>
>Biodiesel and your vehicle: Quality testing
>http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_vehicle.html#quality
>
>And the how-to:
>
>Make your own biodiesel: "Where do I start?"
>http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make.html#start
>
>Best
>
>Keith
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 
>
>
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Re: [Biofuel] Fw: Honoring the Sacred Core of Islam

i dont really take stock in any religion, so i think i can see a lot of the 
problems with this topic. first of all, god does not create power, but 
gather it from those who believe in him/her/them, making it an item of 
thought. coming from so many places and people who have their own versions 
of this idea, we fail to see the original idea from a time long forgotten. 
it is like a book that has been re-interpreted and re-printed hundreds of 
times- with every new editor comes a different story. the only correlation 
between these versions now is the concept of peace and trust, which during 
the last few centuries has been buried in things like the acts and events 
leading to the exodus, the crusades, and today's jihad.
the versions have become more skewed and removed from the original over 
time, but that process is accelerating like never before, and that is 
causing major problems. if someone could find the first "book" in this long 
chain of reproductions a large number of problems would be remedied.

- Original Message - 
From: "Hakan Falk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 6:02 AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fw: Honoring the Sacred Core of Islam




Interesting, but why do not tell that
Christianity is the one of God's "spin off" that,
historically and presently, is the most violent,
indifferent and brutal version. Islam is probably
on average least violent, even if you look at
current statistics also. If you truly worship
God, you must also accept all by humans created
religious versions and different views of Jesus
role and part in it. The Muslims and Jews,
recognize him as a prophet, but the Christians is
killing those who do not accept that he was God's
son and have done so for hundreds of years. In my
view, the religious people that fail to be
inclusive, and realize that they all belong to
the combined group of Christians, Muslims and
Jews, are faltering in their belief in God and
his basic laws. Then we have the complete idiots,
who belive that war would in any way further
God's interest. It is sad when they occupy
important leader positions and create havoc among
all God's children. That Bush is not stroke by
lightning, is a major proof to falter in the
general belive in God's existence. What is
proven, is that humanity consist of a majority of stupid religious idiots.

Hakan




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[Biofuel] was.. Loose Change

2006-04-11 Thread AltEnergyNetwork


No,
I've seen these warnings before. I think that it is someones antivirus/spyware 
program or mail server
doing it.

regards
tallex

>  ---Original Message---
>  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Loose Change -- new video sheds new light on 9/11
>  Sent: 11 Apr '06 13:43
>  
>  I just got the same message. Is everyone getting it?
>  Mailyn
>  
>  Hi just went to check this movie out and got a warning that it
>  could be a fraud attempt. Could this be the big brother
>  intervention that other threads have warned about? I wonder?
>  Bob
>    - Original Message -
>    From: D. Mindock
>    To: Undisclosed-Recipient:;
>    Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 2:09 PM
>    Subject: [Biofuel] Loose Change -- new video sheds new light
>  on 9/11
>  
>  
>  
>  
>    The video brings up new info that I've not seen before. The
>  video makers did do a lot of work to pull a lot sources together.
>  The 9/11
>    tradgedy was, in spite of all the effort by the gov, a bungled job.
>  It doesn't stand up to intelligent scrutiny. Now it is our job to
>    get the disgusting thugs out of office and into prison. They
>  (Bush/Cheney/et. al.) ARE the real enemy combatants. Peace, D.
>  Mindock
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
>    Dear friends,
>  
>    As one who has worked as a language interpreter for
>  presidents and other dignitaries at the highest levels of
>  government, I am deeply committed to strengthening democracy
>  and to building a brighter future for all of us. I and many others in
>  the research network in which I am involved have found that a
>  key difficulty we face in building a better world is the resistance of
>  many people to looking at some of the darker aspects of what is
>  going both in the world and inside of ourselves.
>  
>    I invite you to consider that by avoiding or suppressing the
>  darker aspects of life, we only give them room to grow even
>  darker and more threatening. By choosing to pull back the veil
>  and look directly into the darkness, by choosing to face both our
>  individual and collective fears and working to transform them, we
>  can improve not only our own lives, but our entire world. I present
>  the information below out of a desire to invite all of us draw back
>  the veils and awaken to the deeper potential that lies within all of
>  us to play an important role in transforming our world into a more
>  caring, supportive place to live.
>  
>    If you can give just a few minutes of your time, I invite you to
>  open to a crucial piece of what is going on behind the veil by
>  watching the most empowering documentary on 9/11 that I've
>  ever seen. Titled "Loose Change," this highly revealing film is
>  available free on Google Video at the link below. If you have
>  limited time, I cannot recommend highly enough going straight
>  to the link now and watching at least 10 to 15 minutes of this
>  highly revealing documentary. The reliable information provided
>  serves as a wake-up call for us all to come together in building a
>  better world.
>  
>    MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt from
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Re: [Biofuel] Separating Glycerine

2006-04-11 Thread Ken Provost

On Apr 11, 2006, at 3:43 PM, Derick Giorchino wrote:

> My experience has been like this . I started in late summer to try to
> separate the cocktail. As with the wvo I used small test batches. The
> separation took much longer than I would have thought. But I did get
> separation.

I think we're talking here about separating FFA from the soapy
glycerine phase. If not, ignore the rest

I find it's much easier to see what's going on if you dilute the  
glycerine
phase in warm water before trying to separate the FFA, just for the
first time so you know what you're trying to accomplish. Maybe like
one part glycerine to four parts warm water, so the dark drops of FFA
floating to the top are REALLY obvious. And after diluting it, throw out
any oil or biodiesel that floats up, just so as not to confuse what
comes next.

Add just a few ml of acid (muriatic, sulfuric, phosphoric, and acetic  
all
work in my experience) and stir gently for several minutes. Let sit a
half hour or so, then repeat if necessary. At some point the FFA
(odd-smelling reddish liquid) starts floating to the top in a thin layer
(there's not usually very much, proportionally speaking).

Great for bar soap, or herbicide. Not sure what else :-)

-K

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Re: [Biofuel] Separating Glycerine

2006-04-11 Thread Derick Giorchino

My experience has been like this . I started in late summer to try to
separate the cocktail. As with the wvo I used small test batches. The
separation took much longer than I would have thought. But I did get
separation. The batches I did seemed to get better with time but the temp
was high 95 deg F and low 85 deg F. Time span 24 36 hrs. I then tried a
larger batch 5 gal late fall or early winter using the same amount of acid.
And it sat there for weeks with little change if any. Since we had some warm
days in early Feb the change is clear to see now. 
Good luck Derick.

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Thomas,

If you use one of those 1,000,000 candlepower flashlights and shine it 
through the HDPE container, you should be able to see the separation 
easily enough as well as the initial curdling..

As for putting the potassium phosphate on the compost pile? The better 
method would be to dissolve it in water and apply it wet on the garden, 
not much different than one would apply "Miracle Gro" or something 
similar. The dissolving method also allows any trapped FFAs in the 
precipitate layer to float up, which allows you to not put any oils back 
into the soil.

I don't know the application rate for potassium phosphate, although I've 
asked a half-dozen people. We've got a waste water treatment specialist 
working with the effluent from washing along with the glycerol and 
potassium phosphate to determine how much can be distrubuted over soils 
and not create an accumulation/burn problem. When we get that isolated 
we'll post it.

Todd Swearingen

Thomas Kelly wrote:

>Todd,
>   I appreciate your response. I think you hit the nail on the head when
you
>1. suggested that I added too much acid
>2. questioned how long I waited
>
>   I added 1L 85%H3PO4 to each of 12 cubies. The next morning I did not see

>separation, nor did I see the mineral precip on the bottom. I then added 
>more acid to two of the cubies, got separation, but also that middle layer 
>of very fine salt (much too much acid).
>   I should have waited longer.
>   The other 10 cubies (36 hours later) all have a sand-like precipitate on

>the bottom. Separation of Glycerine and FFA is not apparent.
>   I'm an idiot!
>   You cannot perceive the separation within the cubie. I stirred the 
>content of two of the cubies and removed samples. They are in glass jars on

>the windowsill. Within minutes separation became noticable.
>
>You also wrote:
>  "You should see a near instantaneous curdling, which after some
additional 
>mixing gets broken down to sand like granules. The top layer of FFAs should

>be completely separated within an hour or two, giving the
>appearance of only two layers. Within a few hours the glycerol layer should

>start to become apparent. But the settling  may not be largely complete for

>a dozen hours."
>
>   I am using a paint stirrer on a drill to mix the acid w. the Glycerine 
>cocktail for about a minute. I don't notice any change while mixing.
>Should I continue to mix until I see a change?
>
>Thanks for your suggestion re: saving the excess acid. I still have 
>plenty of Glycerine coproduct (another 12 cubies) and will experiment.
>With the still finally completed, I'm a bit anxious to try to recover 
>the methanol. Robert and Keith have brought the joy back to gardening  ... 
>it somehow got distorted into work last year. I'm anxious to spray the 
>potassium phosphate on the new compost pile I'm building. Patience is
indeed 
>a virtue at this point.
>   Thanks again,
> Tom
>
>
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>Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 11:31 PM
>Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Separating Glycerine
>
>
>  
>
>>Thomas,
>>
>>You shouldn't need but between 1.5 and 1.75 gallons of 85% phosphoric
>>for every 50 gallons of glyc cocktail that is derived from 1.5 gram
>>titrated oil.
>>
>>That would work out to be approximately 0.135 to 0.157 gallons per cube,
>>or 510 to 595 mililiters per cube.
>>
>>I guess the question is how long are you allowing for the
>>settling/phase-splitting process to occur and what is the physical
>>appearance of the process as you mix?
>>
>>You should see a near instantaneous curdling, which after some
>>additional mixing gets broken down to sand like granules. The top layer
>>of FFAs should be completely separated within an hour or two, giving the
>>appearance of only two layers. Within a few hours the glycerol layer
>>should start to become apparent. But the settling  may not be largely
>>complete for a dozen hours.
>>
>>The general problem with FFA recovery is over-acidification. This can
>>create a strata between the oil and glycerol/methanol layer that
>>contains fines of the salt that won't precipitate out.

Re: [Biofuel] Loose Change -- new video sheds new light on 9/11

2006-04-11 Thread marilyn

Biofuel@sustainablelists.org wrote:
copy the url proper (not the entire hotlink) and paste it into your 
browser.

Todd Swearingen

The message was in the content of my email, but it did not 
interfere with pasting the URL into my browser.
Marilyn

Bob Carr wrote:

> Hi just went to check this movie out and got a warning that it 
could 
> be a fraud attempt. Could this be the big brother intervention 
that 
> other threads have warned about? I wonder?
> Bob

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Re: [Biofuel] Loose Change -- new video sheds new light on 9/11

2006-04-11 Thread marilyn

I just got the same message. Is everyone getting it?
Mailyn

Hi just went to check this movie out and got a warning that it 
could be a fraud attempt. Could this be the big brother 
intervention that other threads have warned about? I wonder?
Bob
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  Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 2:09 PM
  Subject: [Biofuel] Loose Change -- new video sheds new light 
on 9/11

  The video brings up new info that I've not seen before. The 
video makers did do a lot of work to pull a lot sources together. 
The 9/11
  tradgedy was, in spite of all the effort by the gov, a bungled job. 
It doesn't stand up to intelligent scrutiny. Now it is our job to
  get the disgusting thugs out of office and into prison. They 
(Bush/Cheney/et. al.) ARE the real enemy combatants. Peace, D. 
Mindock

  Dear friends,

  As one who has worked as a language interpreter for 
presidents and other dignitaries at the highest levels of 
government, I am deeply committed to strengthening democracy 
and to building a brighter future for all of us. I and many others in 
the research network in which I am involved have found that a 
key difficulty we face in building a better world is the resistance of 
many people to looking at some of the darker aspects of what is 
going both in the world and inside of ourselves.

  I invite you to consider that by avoiding or suppressing the 
darker aspects of life, we only give them room to grow even 
darker and more threatening. By choosing to pull back the veil 
and look directly into the darkness, by choosing to face both our 
individual and collective fears and working to transform them, we 
can improve not only our own lives, but our entire world. I present 
the information below out of a desire to invite all of us draw back 
the veils and awaken to the deeper potential that lies within all of 
us to play an important role in transforming our world into a more 
caring, supportive place to live.

  If you can give just a few minutes of your time, I invite you to 
open to a crucial piece of what is going on behind the veil by 
watching the most empowering documentary on 9/11 that I've 
ever seen. Titled "Loose Change," this highly revealing film is 
available free on Google Video at the link below. If you have 
limited time, I cannot recommend highly enough going straight 
to the link now and watching at least 10 to 15 minutes of this 
highly revealing documentary. The reliable information provided 
serves as a wake-up call for us all to come together in building a 
better world.

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  Though it ranks as far and above the best documentary on 9/11 
I've seen, "Loose Change" is not enjoyable to watch. Many 
people find their stomach turning and their mind saying "is this 
true" or "how can this be?" The documentary is meant to be 
disturbing, yet it is equally designed to inspire us to action. Once 
we open to seeing the darkness by educating ourselves, we 
begin to take power back into our own hands both individually 
and collectively, and can then work together to create more 
balance and harmony in our world. 

  With gratitude and very best wishes,
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Re: [Biofuel] Loose Change -- new video sheds new light on 9/11

At the risk of generating a huge amount of hate mail, I have to point out that Bush's real crime was ignoring the FBI warnings as well as failing to act on the August 6th presidential daily briefing titled "Osama Bin Ladin determined to strike inside US". No warning to the airlines - why not? If Bush deliberately allowed terrorists to make a strike on US soil, isn't that alone grounds for impeachment and charges of treason? Think a little bit, folks! - if the CIA or some other government agency wanted to fake a terrorist attack on US soil, all they'd have to do is park four huge truck bombs under the WTC, scatter some Arab corpses around with "Holy Jihad" letters, and blow the thing up. No need for elaborate bombs in the WTC, planes being hijacked, missles hitting the Pentagon, etc. However, if fanatical Al Queda recruits motivated by US occupation of Saudi soil, the Israeli-Palestine conflict, and
fundamentalist ideology wanted to do this, planes seem the only way they could have done it - with the deliberate blind eye of Bush to assist them, that is. Loose Change in my opinion is a government produced disinformation film designed to produce deep divisions within the anti-war and impeach-bush movements; it is also designed to drive a wedge between 9/11 families and other protestors. This is the essence of many government propaganda / disinformation campaigns. Compare it to the NOVA special on the collapse of the twin towers, and JUDGE FOR YOURSELF! http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/wtc/ Now, I'm perfectly willing to admit I could be wrong - unlike the "9/11 Truth Networks", I hold that careful analysis and independent thinking are prerequisites for any investigation. However, I think that the
evidence show that Bush was forewarned about 9/11 and deliberately failed to act. The question should be this: "What did the President and his advisors know, and when did they know it?" I believe that the answer to that simple question would lead to the impeachment of Bush on charges of treason. Peter I. Solem Michael Redler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:I've done some research on events discussed in this video. The facts about Operation North Woods was in fact discussed in Noam Chomsky's book Hegemony or Survival. It has a lot of credible information. In a documentary, it's absolutely critical to be accurate with ALL YOUR RESEARCH. On July 28th, 1945, a B-25 crashed into the Empire State Building -
NOT A B-52! I doubt that the B-52 was even in development in 1945. S**T!!! That's frustrating! Mike"D. Mindock" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The video brings up new info that I've not seen before. The video makers did do a lot of work to pull a lot sources together. The 9/11tradgedy was, in spite of all the effort by the gov, a bungled job. It doesn't stand up to intelligent scrutiny. Now it is our job toget the disgusting thugs out of office and into prison. They
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Re: [Biofuel] [Fwd: [IP] Is the US preparing to bomb Iran?]

Today on the University of California, Santa Cruz campus, an organized group of student protestors succeded in shutting down the campus job fair until the military recruiters were forced to leave!  One student who was taking photos of police surveillance officers was arrested, but the students surrounded the building he was in and eventually the student was released, apparently without charges.  This is just a little thing in practical terms, but a huge thing in symbolic terms.  If we keep it up, Bush won't dare bomb Iran (we hope).  Waking up is a reality!Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  I've been posting stuff on this here for months, so have a few others, very few people have taken any notice.It is utterly unbelievable that Americans, only now so belatedly waking up with growing
 fury at how they were lied to and manipulated on the road to the Iraq debacle are actually swallowing the exact same set of lies and manipulations in order to do the same or worse in Iran.What the hell is the matter with you people??? What are you going to do about it? Vote??? Good God, WAKE UP!!!Stop it happening!Now!Damn, thank heavens for Seymour Hersh."Hopefully" you say Mike:>Let's all pray that reason and sanity prevail once again.>>Best wishes for world peace,With all due respect it'll take a little more than hopes prayers and wishes. Do it! Put a stop to your mad dogs.Keith>Hakan,>>Agreed. The sh-t would hit the fan. Hopefully enough reason and sanity will>eventually prevail like it did during the cold war (we survived it >somehow). Of>course it may have been MAD (a form of insanity called Mutually
 Assured>Destruction, the idea that no one wins, except by not fighting or starting a>nuclear war), that actually saved us during the cold war.>>What I find to be so ludicrous (silly, ridiculous) is that if IRAN >really wanted>to Nuke Israel or the USA they would not need a real nuclear weapon, and they>would have done it already with a dirty nuclear weapon since they already have>nuclear power plants with uranium.>>I suspect they have not done so, even if they wanted to, because >they know if they>did the US or Israel would level Iran in retaliation, probably with nukes.>>The really scary part, I fear, is that even if the US does back >down, Israel will>still not allow Iran to make nuclear bombs and therefore will not >back down. So,>anyway you look at it, if Iran does not back off on the nuclear >issue we will all>be in deep
 sh-t.>>What also concerns me is that if the US attacks Iran, North Korea >will probably>freak out and go nuts since they would believe they were next. I have heard no>mention of this yet in the news.>>Let's all pray that reason and sanity prevail once again.>>Best wishes for world peace,>>Mike McGinness>>Hakan Falk wrote:>> > Mike,> >> > As a foreigner and hearing Bush preparing for attacks on Iran, I> > sometimes have a very short moment of wishing him doing it, because> > it would be so stupid and probably finish him. Then I think about my> > American friends with my positive experiences from US and wish> > strongly that he would be stopped. If US attack Iran, then we would> > rapidly understand what the _expression_ "the sh-t hits the fan" means.> > The global consequences for US would
 be enormously negative.> >> > Hakan> >> > At 06:16 09/04/2006, you wrote:> > >Reading the article discussed below is just plain scary as hell. If> > >it's true we> > >need to contact our congresspersons and senators and tell them >how we feel so> > >that they can put a stop to this madness now before it is too late.> > >Since there> > >is an election coming up in November, something tells me if >they hear from> > >enough of us now they will take decisive action.> > >> > >Mike McGinness> > >> > >> > >> > >Marty Phee wrote:> > >> > > >  Original Message > > > > Subject: [IP] Is the US preparing to bomb Iran?> > > > Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 15:43:42 -0400> > > > From:
 David Farber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> > > > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: ip@v2.listbox.com> > > > References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> > > >> > > > Begin forwarded message:> > > >> > > > From: Tim Finin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> > > > Date: April 8, 2006 3:40:18 PM EDT> > > > To: Dave Farber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> > > > Subject: Is the US preparing to bomb Iran?> > > >> > > > Seymour Hersh has a 6000 work article in next week's New> > > > Yorker on possible plans for a pre-emptive bombing strike> > > > against Iran including the use of nuclear weapons. While> > > > Hersh has not always been right in his predications, he has a> > > > pretty good track record on the whole. It's a good article> > > >
 and also a worrisome one. No matter what you believe of the> > > > wisdom of attacking Iran, if we do there are bound to be many> > > > more difficulties ahead before things get better.> > > >> > > > --> > > >> > > > THE IRAN PLANS> > > > Would President Bush go to war to stop Tehran from getting the bomb?> > > > Seymour M. Hersh, New yorker is

Re: [Biofuel] small oil presses, WVO and sustainability

Photovoltaics are pretty sustainable; let me explain why I think so before I get jumped!  The original cells made in the fifties at Bell Labs are still generating power today; very long lifetimes exist with well built silicon infrastructure.  New third generation silicon technology has the potential to double the output of today's silicon cells. This would mean a big boost for solar PV.  For a technological overview:       http://www.pv.unsw.edu.au/Research/3gp.asp     Of course, microelectronics manufacturing can be polluting - just look at Silicon Valley's host of Superfund sites.  PV manufacturing is definitely not a do-it-at-home endeavor.  There is a right way to do the manufacturing; that, by the way, is what government regulations are for.  Taking care of the glycerine by-product of home biodiesel synthesis
 also needs to be done right - dumping it in the local sewer is not a good idea.  Take care of your ins and your outs (raw materials and wastes), and try and come up with closed loop systems.  Also try and get Pimental to mention sustainable agriculture...Chip Mefford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  Zeke Yewdall wrote:> one acre of PV will produce enough electricity to run an electric car> roughly 1.5 million miles per year... Or alternatively, you could run> it 12,000 miles or so with about 300 square feet of PV.> Yeah, *but*How sustainable are PV arrays?As much as I like PVs, and i do, I'mnot convinced of their 'green-ness'.Agriculture is pretty adaptable,high tech electronic manufactureand related is a bit less so, I
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Re: [Biofuel] The Accidental Farmer

I just checked the journeytoforever site on ethanol stills - a FANTASTIC resource! Enough info to set up any kind of high-quality system, with references - Once again I'm amazed at the concentration and quality of information - gracias! Peter I. SolemRon & Shirley Walker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:THIS MIGHT BE USEFUL FOR YOU ETHANOL USERS I once saw in an old copy of Mother Earth News where a farmer had a good crop of corn but every one else had a good crop too and the market had taken a dive. He decided to convert his crop to
ethanol. He had to go through all sorts of rigmarole to get the permits etc but prevailed in the end. After his mix had worked and the time came to get the ethanol from the mash, he devised a solar still. Using sunlight to extract an ethanol that he then used to run his vehicles and farm equipment. There was water in it already but not so much that it would not work. The still was simplicity itself, with an elevated reservoir with (I think) a Hessian or similar product, to siphon the liquid down a slope (angled to catch the sun). This whole area was covered with glass (like a solar hot water heater) and there were two reservoirs at the bottom. One for the finished mash liquid and another, which collected the alcohol/water mix, which had condensed on the under side of the glass. I
imagine that some experimentation would be needed with the flow rate and length of the slope to ensure that there was not too much water in the ethanol. BLUE; reservoir for mash RED; glass needs to cover the whole thing
and be sealed so the ethanol does not get out. GREEN; slope for the liquid to run down. The hessian needs to sit in the top reservoir and go up and over the edge and down the slope. It would probably be best for it to go all the way to the bottom thereby providing a much larger surface area for the mash to absorb heat etc. The crude diagram does not show the two reservoirs at thr bottom. He then sold the depleted mash as a stock feed and ended up in front. It would be a cheap way to make white lightning Ron (Canberra)[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We made most of our ethanol out of rice. We added 20% water and drove our car and truck on it with excellent results. MarilynBiofuel@sustainablelists.org wrote: Sticky/Glutinous rice from the fields makes real good ethanol. If used with and injection of 15 to 20% water it produces much more energy in a tuned engine to the fuel water mix than gas. Why the need to go to other Bio-Fuels? The Ethanol with the water injection would be sufficient to run pumps, generators and the likes as long as the intake to the engine was as short
as possible for easy starting.Doug - Original Message - From: "Johnathan Corgan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 3:24 AM Subject: [Biofuel] The Accidental Farmer I've recently acquired through inheritance about 20 acres of farm land in rural Philippines. It's currently being used for rice and I think some tobacco. My wife's extended family works the land and the operation has now passed into our hands.Being a professional engineer and California-based city boy, I have no clue whatsoever about anything to do with farming. My lifetime agricultural experience is watching seeds sprout in egg carton planters as a child in an elementary school science project.By pure coincidence, I've recently begun experimenting with WVO-based biodiesel production, currently at the "successful 1L batch" stage. In addition, we've thought of building a vacation/retirement home on this land, emphasizing "off the grid" energy--PV, wind, battery-based power leveling, and diesel-generator backup.So all this adds up to a grand opportunity--can the land be made sufficiently productive to support methanol or ethanol based biodiesel manufacture for a small community, for a suitable definition of "small"? My understanding is that the climate is suitable for several different types of oilseed crops, but I don't even know the right questions to ask. I do know, though, that rural Philippines has many interesting logistical issues, not to mention some geopolitical instability and poor infrastructure.I have many ideas, but little understanding of practicalities :-)(Not to mention the livelihoods of a number of members of my wife's family, so this is more serious than mere experimentation.)-Johnathan___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainableli sts.org
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Re: [Biofuel] NYTimes.com: With Big Boost From Sugar Cane, Brazil Is Satisfying Its Fuel Needs

The nice thing about Brazil's ethanol program is the closed-loop cycle that they use.  The sugar cane is harvested and brought to the mill where it pressed into a sugary syrup and dry mass.  The dry mass is burned in efficient double-stage heat-capture boilers (at least in the better plants) to provide all the energy required to run the mill.  The syrup is fermented uising high-yield yeast strains to 15-20% ethanol 'cane beer'.  This is then distilled to 96% pure ethanol (the azeotrope limit) using energy from burning the dry cane (bargasse).  There are a number of methods for taking 96% ethanol to 100% ethanol; 100% ethanol blends well with gasoline or diesel fuel.     The waste - ash from burning the cane (phosphate-rich) and yeasty sediment residue (nitrogen-rich) is then trucked right back out to the fields, replenishing the soil and vastly reducing any need for fossil-fuel fertilizers.  Crop
 rotation might also be a good idea.  Basically, this is an energy-efficient and environmentally friendly large-scale method of fuel production; it deserves careful study by anyone embarking on such a project.  Compare this to the coal-fired ethanol distilleries currently being built for 'economic efficiency' in the Midwestern states - sure it helps stimulate the demand for coal, the dirtiest, lowest-energy, and most climate-damaging of all the fossil fuels.     Peter I. Solem
	
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Re: [Biofuel] Loose Change -- new video sheds new light on 9/11




WW II could/would have been incited without AH. 
However it could not have been achieved without Sloan, Standard oil, Ford and 
guess who? $36M was the payoff from memory to Sloan of GM because his factory 
that produced military equipment/vehicles was bombed by the US. Hence the 
compensation. A good read is the compilation of letters and diary records of 
Montgomery. Ike does not come to light as a quick end to hostilities but as 
an instigator for the prolonging by 12 to 18 months and thus more lives. This 
also created the E & W as the troops from the north were to be waited 
for before entering the B metropolis. Seems there is a presidents trend here 
some place?
 
Who do you take to task???   The Bush, 
the Vice, the organizations, the companies. At what place/time frame in 
history do you start? 
 
Look into your selves, the events were allowed to 
happen, the brew has always been slowly concocted while most slept on. 
Do you confiscate the funds gained by the oil Co's and those that benefited? The 
story is just a repeat of history. The mind set needs change and perhaps we all 
need to shoulder the blame while doing each and every one of us what we can to 
rectify a few centuries of mistakes which have lead to this point.
 
The was once only two fields of advanced 
electronics, the medical and military, techs at times used to swap from one to 
the other. We now have PC's and games, aren't you thank full for them. The techs 
now have so many other fields to "play" in.
 
For every race, creed, tribe, religion and 
family, there are different thought processes that use just as many individual 
and different denominators in their thought patterns/compilations. Perhaps 
this is the failing of mankind, too much freedom of thought causing the lack of 
empathy/understanding of the beautiful diversity of mankind? (Unfortunately it 
is about the only thing we have left that we can really call our own individual 
property, even if it gets washed time and time again it is ours).
 
An aside, the B-52 is very quiet on take off 
and uses not much runway, the B-52 in-air fueller is totally different akin to 
a pelican, it needs miles of runway, can not turn while it claws and 
scratches for every inch of altitude it can possibly gain in the cool morning 
air. It is many miles beyond the take off point before it can even look like 
turning and then only very slow wide turns. That is a very heavy beast when 
loaded with no maneuverability at all. (Most pelicans need to take off from 
water into the wind as their wet weight is a considerable drag as is the water 
itself on their underbody)
 
Doug 
 
From: Michael Redler 

  To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org 
  
  Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 12:43 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Loose Change -- 
  new video sheds new light on 9/11
  
  I've done some research on events discussed in this video. The facts 
  about Operation North Woods was in fact discussed in Noam Chomsky's book 
  Hegemony or Survival. It has a lot of credible information.
   
  In a documentary, it's absolutely critical to be accurate with ALL 
  YOUR RESEARCH.
   
  On July 28th, 1945, a B-25 crashed into the Empire State Building - NOT A 
  B-52! I doubt that the B-52 was even in development in 1945.
   
  S**T!!! That's frustrating!
   
  Mike"D. Mindock" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
  wrote:
  




 
The 
video brings up new info that I've not seen before. The video makers did do 
a lot of work to pull a lot sources together. The 9/11tradgedy was, in 
spite of all the effort by the gov, a bungled job. It doesn't stand up to 
intelligent scrutiny. Now it is our job toget the disgusting 
thugs out of office and into prison. They (Bush/Cheney/et. 
al.) ARE the real enemy combatants. Peace, D. Mindock
 
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Re: [Biofuel] Biodiesel test results

2006-04-11 Thread Darryl McMahon

Keith, well done!  Super stuff and great information in the on-going 
wars of words regarding home brew quality.

For my own clarification, all these tests were on acid-base process 
batches, correct?  Any chance of getting similar testing done on 
single-stage base method, just for comparison purposes?

Darryl

Keith Addison wrote:
> Greetings all
> 
> I mentioned a few months ago that we're doing some research 
> collaboration with a local biofuels company here. They have biodiesel 
> projects running in Japan and Southeast Asia, along with a business 
> partnership with the chemistry professor at a major Japanese 
> technical university in Tokyo. So we get access to the university's 
> chemistry department GC, the Gas Chromatograph ("gaskro" in 
> Japanese), to test our biodiesel, among other things.
> 
> They ran the first test for us last October, of a sample of our 
> normal full-scale production run WVO biodiesel, not test-batch stuff. 
> The chemistry department's comment on the report sheet was "Very 
> clean biodiesel!" The cleanest they'd seen, they said later - how do 
> we make such good biodiesel from WVO?
> 
> Anyway, it showed an ester content of 98.5%, compared with the EU 
> standard requirement of minimum 96.5%, very good completion.
> 
> So this is what you can achieve by using the quality tests at the 
> Journey to Forever website Biodiesel section to guide your processing.
> 
> It's very close, but not perfect - despite the high ester content, 
> both the monoglyceride and diglyceride levels were higher than the EU 
> standards specify. Completion is the crucial factor, and with such a 
> good completion rate the excess MGs and DGs didn't bother me a lot, 
> and it could easily be adjusted anyway.
> 
> This is an advantage of acid-base processing. Not for novices! we all 
> warn - unless you know what you're at, when you hit that inevitable 
> problem batch you'll be thrown by all the extra variables in the 
> acid-base process and you won't know how to troubleshoot it. So learn 
> the basics first.
> 
> Truly. But when you do know the basics, all those variables make it 
> easy to identify where a problem lies and very easy to fine-tune the 
> process. There are more controls you can use.
> 
> We just got the results of a further series of GC tests of three 
> production-run samples which demonstrate this quite well. The figures 
> show a curve.
> 
> 21 Oct 2005 - Handmade Projects biodiesel 1st test results
> 
> 10 April 2006 - Results of Handmade Projects samples #1 Biodiesel, #2 
> Biodiesel, #4 Biodiesel (sample #3 was not biodiesel)
> 
> Standard - European biodiesel standard EN 14214 of 2003.
> 
> Ester content (% mass)
> EN 14214: >96.5
> 1st test: 98.5
> #1 Biodiesel: 98.49
> #2 Biodiesel: 98.73
> #4 Biodiesel: 99.09
> 
> Monoglyceride (% mass)
> EN 14214: <0.8
> 1st test: 0.93
> #1 Biodiesel: 0.77
> #2 Biodiesel: 0.65
> #4 Biodiesel: 0.62
> 
> Diglyceride (% mass)
> EN 14214: <0.2
> 1st test: 0.57
> #1 Biodiesel: 0.74
> #2 Biodiesel: 0.61
> #4 Biodiesel: 0.28
> 
> Triglyceride (% mass)
> EN 14214: <0.2
> 1st test: 0
> #1 Biodiesel: 0
> #2 Biodiesel: 0
> #4 Biodiesel: 0
> 
> Sample #4 has very good completion and the MG level is now well 
> within spec, but the DG level is still 0.08% too high.
> 
> We'd planned a further two tests and we'll go ahead with those now (I 
> just ran the batch for the first sample today). These tests will 
> vanish that excess 0.08% of DGs, and teach me much besides.
> 
> I wouldn't have done all this if I didn't have such good access to 
> the gaskro. If someone had told me we had good completion, well above 
> spec, but the MGs and DGs were too high I'd have gone straight to the 
> second of the two tests I'm doing now and fixed it in one step. But 
> it's great to be able to get such accurate confirmation of how these 
> variables work. We'd never be able to afford these gaskro tests here 
> any other way, testing just one sample at commercial lab rates costs 
> US$6,000.
> 
> Anyway, it's further confirmation that the backyard brewers' cheapo 
> kitchen-sink quality tests will indeed guide you to a high-quality 
> product, and that the one-step-at-a-time learning path is the way to 
> go.
> 
> The tests are here, by the way:
> 
> Biodiesel and your vehicle: Quality testing
> http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_vehicle.html#quality
> 
> And the how-to:
> 
> Make your own biodiesel: "Where do I start?"
> http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make.html#start
> 
> Best
> 
> Keith
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> 
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> 
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[Biofuel] Biodiesel test results

Greetings all

I mentioned a few months ago that we're doing some research 
collaboration with a local biofuels company here. They have biodiesel 
projects running in Japan and Southeast Asia, along with a business 
partnership with the chemistry professor at a major Japanese 
technical university in Tokyo. So we get access to the university's 
chemistry department GC, the Gas Chromatograph ("gaskro" in 
Japanese), to test our biodiesel, among other things.

They ran the first test for us last October, of a sample of our 
normal full-scale production run WVO biodiesel, not test-batch stuff. 
The chemistry department's comment on the report sheet was "Very 
clean biodiesel!" The cleanest they'd seen, they said later - how do 
we make such good biodiesel from WVO?

Anyway, it showed an ester content of 98.5%, compared with the EU 
standard requirement of minimum 96.5%, very good completion.

So this is what you can achieve by using the quality tests at the 
Journey to Forever website Biodiesel section to guide your processing.

It's very close, but not perfect - despite the high ester content, 
both the monoglyceride and diglyceride levels were higher than the EU 
standards specify. Completion is the crucial factor, and with such a 
good completion rate the excess MGs and DGs didn't bother me a lot, 
and it could easily be adjusted anyway.

This is an advantage of acid-base processing. Not for novices! we all 
warn - unless you know what you're at, when you hit that inevitable 
problem batch you'll be thrown by all the extra variables in the 
acid-base process and you won't know how to troubleshoot it. So learn 
the basics first.

Truly. But when you do know the basics, all those variables make it 
easy to identify where a problem lies and very easy to fine-tune the 
process. There are more controls you can use.

We just got the results of a further series of GC tests of three 
production-run samples which demonstrate this quite well. The figures 
show a curve.

21 Oct 2005 - Handmade Projects biodiesel 1st test results

10 April 2006 - Results of Handmade Projects samples #1 Biodiesel, #2 
Biodiesel, #4 Biodiesel (sample #3 was not biodiesel)

Standard - European biodiesel standard EN 14214 of 2003.

Ester content (% mass)
EN 14214: >96.5
1st test: 98.5
#1 Biodiesel: 98.49
#2 Biodiesel: 98.73
#4 Biodiesel: 99.09

Monoglyceride (% mass)
EN 14214: <0.8
1st test: 0.93
#1 Biodiesel: 0.77
#2 Biodiesel: 0.65
#4 Biodiesel: 0.62

Diglyceride (% mass)
EN 14214: <0.2
1st test: 0.57
#1 Biodiesel: 0.74
#2 Biodiesel: 0.61
#4 Biodiesel: 0.28

Triglyceride (% mass)
EN 14214: <0.2
1st test: 0
#1 Biodiesel: 0
#2 Biodiesel: 0
#4 Biodiesel: 0

Sample #4 has very good completion and the MG level is now well 
within spec, but the DG level is still 0.08% too high.

We'd planned a further two tests and we'll go ahead with those now (I 
just ran the batch for the first sample today). These tests will 
vanish that excess 0.08% of DGs, and teach me much besides.

I wouldn't have done all this if I didn't have such good access to 
the gaskro. If someone had told me we had good completion, well above 
spec, but the MGs and DGs were too high I'd have gone straight to the 
second of the two tests I'm doing now and fixed it in one step. But 
it's great to be able to get such accurate confirmation of how these 
variables work. We'd never be able to afford these gaskro tests here 
any other way, testing just one sample at commercial lab rates costs 
US$6,000.

Anyway, it's further confirmation that the backyard brewers' cheapo 
kitchen-sink quality tests will indeed guide you to a high-quality 
product, and that the one-step-at-a-time learning path is the way to 
go.

The tests are here, by the way:

Biodiesel and your vehicle: Quality testing
http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_vehicle.html#quality

And the how-to:

Make your own biodiesel: "Where do I start?"
http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make.html#start

Best

Keith








 




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Re: [Biofuel] Loose Change -- new video sheds new light on 9/11

2006-04-11 Thread Michael Redler

I've done some research on events discussed in this video. The facts about Operation North Woods was in fact discussed in Noam Chomsky's book Hegemony or Survival. It has a lot of credible information.     In a documentary, it's absolutely critical to be accurate with ALL YOUR RESEARCH.     On July 28th, 1945, a B-25 crashed into the Empire State Building - NOT A B-52! I doubt that the B-52 was even in development in 1945.     S**T!!! That's frustrating!     Mike"D. Mindock" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
  The video brings up new info that I've not seen before. The video makers did do a lot of work to pull a lot sources together. The 9/11tradgedy was, in spite of all the effort by the gov, a bungled job. It doesn't stand up to intelligent scrutiny. Now it is our job toget the disgusting thugs out of office and into prison. They (Bush/Cheney/et. al.) ARE the real enemy combatants. Peace, D. Mindock     [snip]___
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Re: [Biofuel] Loose Change -- new video sheds new light on 9/11

2006-04-11 Thread Doug Turner




Bob
 
I 
noticed the fraud warning as well so I googled "Loose Change" and was directed 
to the site.  Seems legit.
 
Doug 
Turner

  -Original Message-From: 
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  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Bob 
  CarrSent: April 11, 2006 12:41 PMTo: 
  Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSubject: Re: [Biofuel] Loose Change -- 
  new video sheds new light on 9/11
  Hi just went to check this movie out and got a 
  warning that it could be a fraud attempt. Could this be the big brother 
  intervention that other threads have warned about? I wonder?
  Bob
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
D. 
Mindock 
To: Undisclosed-Recipient:; 
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 2:09 
PM
Subject: [Biofuel] Loose Change -- new 
video sheds new light on 9/11


 
The 
video brings up new info that I've not seen before. The video makers did do 
a lot of work to pull a lot sources together. The 9/11tradgedy was, in 
spite of all the effort by the gov, a bungled job. It doesn't stand up to 
intelligent scrutiny. Now it is our job toget the disgusting 
thugs out of office and into prison. They (Bush/Cheney/et. 
al.) ARE the real enemy combatants. Peace, D. Mindock
 
 
Dear 
friends,
As one 
who has worked as a language interpreter 
for presidents and other dignitaries at the highest levels of 
government, I am deeply committed to strengthening democracy and to building 
a brighter future for all of us. I and many others in the research network 
in which I am involved have found that a key difficulty we face in 
building a better world is the resistance of many people to looking at some 
of the darker aspects of what is going both in the world and inside of 
ourselves.
I invite 
you to consider that by avoiding or suppressing the darker aspects of life, 
we only give them room to grow even darker and more threatening. By choosing 
to pull back the veil and look directly into the darkness, by choosing to 
face both our individual and collective fears and working to transform them, 
we can improve not only our own lives, but our entire world. I present the 
information below out of a desire to invite all of us draw back the veils 
and awaken to the deeper potential that lies within all of us to play an 
important role in transforming our world into a more caring, supportive 
place to live.
If 
you can give just a few minutes of your time, I invite you to open to a 
crucial piece of what is going on behind the veil by watching the most 
empowering documentary on 9/11 that I've ever seen. Titled "Loose Change," 
this highly revealing film is available free on Google Video at the link 
below. If you have limited time, I cannot recommend highly enough 
going straight to the link now and watching at least 10 to 15 minutes of 
this highly revealing documentary. The reliable information provided serves 
as a wake-up call for us all to come together in building a better 
world.
MailScanner has detected a possible fraud 
attempt from "t.ymlp.com" claiming to be 
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8260059923762628848 - Loose 
Change (82 minutes) 
Though 
it ranks as far and above the best documentary on 9/11 I've seen, "Loose 
Change" is not enjoyable to watch. Many people find their stomach turning 
and their mind saying "is this true" or "how can this be?" The documentary 
is meant to be disturbing, yet it is equally designed to inspire us to 
action. Once we open to seeing the darkness by educating ourselves, we begin 
to take power back into our own hands both individually and collectively, 
and can then work together to create more balance and harmony in our world. 


With 
gratitude and very best wishes,Fred Burks for the MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt from 
"t.ymlp.com" claiming to be WantToKnow.info TeamFormer language 
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Re: [Biofuel] Loose Change -- new video sheds new light on 9/11

2006-04-11 Thread Appal Energy

copy the url proper (not the entire hotlink) and paste it into your browser.

Todd Swearingen


Bob Carr wrote:

> Hi just went to check this movie out and got a warning that it could 
> be a fraud attempt. Could this be the big brother intervention that 
> other threads have warned about? I wonder?
> Bob
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* D. Mindock 
> *To:* Undisclosed-Recipient:; 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 11, 2006 2:09 PM
> *Subject:* [Biofuel] Loose Change -- new video sheds new light on 9/11
>
>  
>
> The video brings up new info that I've not seen before. The video
> makers did do a lot of work to pull a lot sources together. The 9/11
> tradgedy was, in spite of all the effort by the gov, a bungled
> job. It doesn't stand up to intelligent scrutiny. Now it is our job to
> get the disgusting thugs out of office and into prison. They
> (Bush/Cheney/et. al.) ARE the real enemy combatants. Peace, D. Mindock
>
>  
>
>  
>
> Dear friends,
>
> As one who has worked as a language interpreter for presidents
>  and other
> dignitaries at the highest levels of government, I am deeply
> committed to strengthening democracy and to building a brighter
> future for all of us. I and many others in the research network in
> which I am involved have found that *a key difficulty we face in
> building a better world is the resistance of many people to
> looking at some of the darker aspects of what is going both in the
> world and inside of ourselves.*
>
> I invite you to consider that by avoiding or suppressing the
> darker aspects of life, we only give them room to grow even darker
> and more threatening. By choosing to pull back the veil and look
> directly into the darkness, by choosing to face both our
> individual and collective fears and working to transform them, we
> can improve not only our own lives, but our entire world. I
> present the information below out of a desire to invite all of us
> draw back the veils and awaken to the deeper potential that lies
> within all of us to play an important role in transforming our
> world into a more caring, supportive place to live.
>
> *If you can give just a few minutes of your time, I invite you to
> open to a crucial piece of what is going on behind the veil by
> watching the most empowering documentary on 9/11 that I've ever
> seen. Titled "Loose Change," this highly revealing film is
> available free on Google Video at the link below.* If you have
> limited time, I cannot recommend highly enough going straight to
> the link now and watching at least 10 to 15 minutes of this highly
> revealing documentary. The reliable information provided serves as
> a wake-up call for us all to come together in building a better world.
>
> *MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt from
> "t.ymlp.com" claiming to be*
> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8260059923762628848
>  - Loose Change
> (82 minutes)
>
> Though it ranks as far and above the best documentary on 9/11 I've
> seen, "Loose Change" is not enjoyable to watch. Many people find
> their stomach turning and their mind saying "is this true" or "how
> can this be?" The documentary is meant to be disturbing, yet it is
> equally designed to inspire us to action. Once we open to seeing
> the darkness by educating ourselves, we begin to take power back
> into our own hands both individually and collectively, and can
> then work together to create more balance and harmony in our world.
>
> 
>
> With gratitude and very best wishes,
> Fred Burks for the *MailScanner has detected a possible fraud
> attempt from "t.ymlp.com" claiming to be* WantToKnow.info Team
> 
> Former language interpreter
>  for Presidents
> Bush and Clinton
>
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Re: [Biofuel] Loose Change -- new video sheds new light on 9/11

2006-04-11 Thread Bob Carr

Hi just went to check this movie out and got a
warning that it could be a fraud attempt. Could this be the big brother
intervention that other threads have warned about? I wonder?
Bob

- Original Message -
From:
D.
Mindock
To: Undisclosed-Recipient:;
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 2:09
PM
Subject: [Biofuel] Loose Change -- new
video sheds new light on 9/11

The video
brings up new info that I've not seen before. The video makers did do a lot of
work to pull a lot sources together. The 9/11tradgedy was, in spite of all
the effort by the gov, a bungled job. It doesn't stand up to intelligent
scrutiny. Now it is our job toget the disgusting thugs out of
office and into prison. They (Bush/Cheney/et. al.) ARE the real
enemy combatants. Peace, D. Mindock
Dear
friends,
As one who
has worked as a language interpreter
for presidents and other dignitaries at the highest levels of government,
I am deeply committed to strengthening democracy and to building a brighter
future for all of us. I and many others in the research network in which I am
involved have found that a key difficulty we face in building a better
world is the resistance of many people to looking at some of the darker
aspects of what is going both in the world and inside of
ourselves.
I invite
you to consider that by avoiding or suppressing the darker aspects of life, we
only give them room to grow even darker and more threatening. By choosing to
pull back the veil and look directly into the darkness, by choosing to face
both our individual and collective fears and working to transform them, we can
improve not only our own lives, but our entire world. I present the
information below out of a desire to invite all of us draw back the veils and
awaken to the deeper potential that lies within all of us to play an important
role in transforming our world into a more caring, supportive place to
live.
If
you can give just a few minutes of your time, I invite you to open to a
crucial piece of what is going on behind the veil by watching the most
empowering documentary on 9/11 that I've ever seen. Titled "Loose Change,"
this highly revealing film is available free on Google Video at the link
below. If you have limited time, I cannot recommend highly enough
going straight to the link now and watching at least 10 to 15 minutes of this
highly revealing documentary. The reliable information provided serves as a
wake-up call for us all to come together in building a better world.
MailScanner has detected a possible fraud
attempt from "t.ymlp.com" claiming to be
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8260059923762628848 - Loose
Change (82 minutes)
Though it
ranks as far and above the best documentary on 9/11 I've seen, "Loose Change"
is not enjoyable to watch. Many people find their stomach turning and their
mind saying "is this true" or "how can this be?" The documentary is meant to
be disturbing, yet it is equally designed to inspire us to action. Once we
open to seeing the darkness by educating ourselves, we begin to take power
back into our own hands both individually and collectively, and can then work
together to create more balance and harmony in our world.

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Re: [Biofuel] Separating Glycerine

2006-04-11 Thread Appal Energy

Thomas,

If you use one of those 1,000,000 candlepower flashlights and shine it 
through the HDPE container, you should be able to see the separation 
easily enough as well as the initial curdling..

As for putting the potassium phosphate on the compost pile? The better 
method would be to dissolve it in water and apply it wet on the garden, 
not much different than one would apply "Miracle Gro" or something 
similar. The dissolving method also allows any trapped FFAs in the 
precipitate layer to float up, which allows you to not put any oils back 
into the soil.

I don't know the application rate for potassium phosphate, although I've 
asked a half-dozen people. We've got a waste water treatment specialist 
working with the effluent from washing along with the glycerol and 
potassium phosphate to determine how much can be distrubuted over soils 
and not create an accumulation/burn problem. When we get that isolated 
we'll post it.

Todd Swearingen



Thomas Kelly wrote:

>Todd,
>   I appreciate your response. I think you hit the nail on the head when you
>1. suggested that I added too much acid
>2. questioned how long I waited
>
>   I added 1L 85%H3PO4 to each of 12 cubies. The next morning I did not see 
>separation, nor did I see the mineral precip on the bottom. I then added 
>more acid to two of the cubies, got separation, but also that middle layer 
>of very fine salt (much too much acid).
>   I should have waited longer.
>   The other 10 cubies (36 hours later) all have a sand-like precipitate on 
>the bottom. Separation of Glycerine and FFA is not apparent.
>   I'm an idiot!
>   You cannot perceive the separation within the cubie. I stirred the 
>content of two of the cubies and removed samples. They are in glass jars on 
>the windowsill. Within minutes separation became noticable.
>
>You also wrote:
>  "You should see a near instantaneous curdling, which after some additional 
>mixing gets broken down to sand like granules. The top layer of FFAs should 
>be completely separated within an hour or two, giving the
>appearance of only two layers. Within a few hours the glycerol layer should 
>start to become apparent. But the settling  may not be largely complete for 
>a dozen hours."
>
>   I am using a paint stirrer on a drill to mix the acid w. the Glycerine 
>cocktail for about a minute. I don't notice any change while mixing.
>Should I continue to mix until I see a change?
>
>Thanks for your suggestion re: saving the excess acid. I still have 
>plenty of Glycerine coproduct (another 12 cubies) and will experiment.
>With the still finally completed, I'm a bit anxious to try to recover 
>the methanol. Robert and Keith have brought the joy back to gardening  ... 
>it somehow got distorted into work last year. I'm anxious to spray the 
>potassium phosphate on the new compost pile I'm building. Patience is indeed 
>a virtue at this point.
>   Thanks again,
> Tom
>
>
>- Original Message - 
>From: "Appal Energy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: 
>Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 11:31 PM
>Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Separating Glycerine
>
>
>  
>
>>Thomas,
>>
>>You shouldn't need but between 1.5 and 1.75 gallons of 85% phosphoric
>>for every 50 gallons of glyc cocktail that is derived from 1.5 gram
>>titrated oil.
>>
>>That would work out to be approximately 0.135 to 0.157 gallons per cube,
>>or 510 to 595 mililiters per cube.
>>
>>I guess the question is how long are you allowing for the
>>settling/phase-splitting process to occur and what is the physical
>>appearance of the process as you mix?
>>
>>You should see a near instantaneous curdling, which after some
>>additional mixing gets broken down to sand like granules. The top layer
>>of FFAs should be completely separated within an hour or two, giving the
>>appearance of only two layers. Within a few hours the glycerol layer
>>should start to become apparent. But the settling  may not be largely
>>complete for a dozen hours.
>>
>>The general problem with FFA recovery is over-acidification. This can
>>create a strata between the oil and glycerol/methanol layer that
>>contains fines of the salt that won't precipitate out. We've toyed with
>>that strata when it occasionally appears, trying different methods to
>>get it to precipitate, inclusive of further acidifying it. This
>>generally only exacerbates the problem, creating the a liquid bottom
>>layer, a center layer with suspended fines, and the FFA layer on top.
>>
>>My bet is that you're hyper-dosing your glycerine cocktail. The first
>>thing to do is to apply patience and do a series of bracket tests using
>>considerably less acid and a generous time for the settling to take place.
>>
>>I'll leave the precise chemistry to the chemists. It has much to do with
>>the water content of the acid, the water solubility of the precipitate
>>and probably a dozen other factors such as polarity, specific gravities
>>and just downright nastiness of chemicals tha

Re: [Biofuel] Fw: Honoring the Sacred Core of Islam

Hello Doug and all

>We started with family structure,  progressed to group structure, 
>handing of power from patriarchs to the people, to the decline in 
>racism, and the vote for women, we are now at the stage where 
>religion needs to harmonize. The radicals are but few that 
>influence/control a majority or there would be no place for the 
>Bushes of this world.
>
>Can the religions get together in harmony? This I see as the next 
>stage in an ever shrinking world where we can all be accepted for 
>what we are as it is harmony with the planet in accordance with 
>harmony and religions. If the time to free people and give the vote 
>took upheavals, what are the expectations of accepting all of us as 
>one in religion or faith to take?? Given a thousand years would we 
>succeed in total harmony of religion not just "freedom of religion" 
>(don't think we have freedom of politics any more). To be of any 
>religion or faith and not be looked upon as an out-sider or 
>different to the basis of a human being, to be accepted is this 
>going to be accomplished with a Nuke or two?? I think it is in the 
>hearts of the people to learn and to try and understand each other 
>this I hope so, all radicals aside.

I'm sure that's so.

>If religion be the cause of dissention and discord amongst 
>mankind better to forgo the religion. Surely religion and faiths of 
>this world are to cause harmony and not discord? Why would a 
>Prophet, a God, a Savior, a Saint want to destroy? Surely this 
>destructive lean is mans interpretation for his own 
>self-aggrandizement and ego.

You get religion on the one side and the church on the other, the 
faith in men's hearts and the authorities who claim to hold the keys 
to it. They're two different things. There are other kinds of 
imposters too who purloin people's faiths and distort it to their own 
ends.

People and their faiths are probably quite capable of getting on 
together in peace and harmony, it's not hard to think of examples. 
This should be a strength in building a global community, not an 
obstacle, since in essence all the faiths are more compatible than 
exclusive. It's the exploiters of faith that have to go.

>I could not agree more than with what some have foreseen and 
>discussed and the article below, the change from a "weapons of mass 
>destruction" and other such name slinging roads to instigate 
>profiteering for a few through provoking death as a change to 
>"religious war". This is probably the worlds most dangerous quandary 
>at present. How to start the true "Global Community".

I think all you have to do is join it. You already did that, didn't you?

>How many sleep on and do zilch?
>Doug

You might enjoy this. 1981. Nobody listened.

Frank Zappa on Crossfire, 1986

Zappa: The biggest threat to America today is not communism; it's 
moving America towards a fascist theocracy...

When you have a government that prefers a certain moral code derived 
from a certain religion and that moral code turns into legislation to 
suit one certain religious point of view and if that code happens to 
be very, very right wing almost toward Attila the Hun...

Lofton: Well then you are an anarchist. Every form of civil 
government is based on some kind of morality, Frank.

Zappa: Morality in terms of behavior -- not in terms of theology.

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2006/01/10.html
Crooks and Liars



 From You Are What You Is, Frank Zappa, 1981

Some take the bible
For what it's worth
When it says that the meek
Shall inherit the earth
Well, I heard that some sheik
Has bought new jersey last week,
'n you suckers ain't gettin' doodly
 
You say yo' life a 'bum deal',
'n yo' 'up against de wall'?
Well, people, you ain't got no kinda
'deal' at all!
 
Now de shit dey be doin'
Down in washingtum,
Dey just takes care
Of number one
 
An' 'number one' ain't you!
You ain't even 'number two'!
 
Those jesus-freaks,
Well, they're friendly, but,
The shit they believe
Has got their minds all shut,
 
An' they don't even care
When 'the church' takes a 'cut'!
ain't it bleak when you've got so much nothin'?
 
So whaddya do?
 
Eat that pork!
Eat that ham!
Laugh till ya choke
On billy graham!
Brown moses, aaron, 'n abraham:
They're all a waste of time,
'n it's your ass that's on the line!
It's your ass that's on the line!
 
Do what you wanna,
Do what you will,
Just don't mess up
Your neighbor's thrill,
 
'n when you pay the bill,
Kindly leave a little tip,
And help the next poor sucker
On his one way trip


Whoever we are
Wherever we're from
We shoulda noticed by now
Our behavior is dumb
And if our chances
Expect to improve
It's gonna take a lot more
Than tryin' to remove
The other race
Or the other whatever
 From the face
Of the planet altogether
 
They call it the earth
Which is a dumb kinda name
But they named it right
'cause we behave the same...
We are dumb all over
Dumb all over,
Yes we are
Dumb all over,
Near 'n far
Dumb all over,
Black 'n white
People, we is not wrapped tight

[Biofuel] Loose Change -- new video sheds new light on 9/11

2006-04-11 Thread D. Mindock

The video
brings up new info that I've not seen before. The video makers did do a lot of
work to pull a lot sources together. The 9/11tradgedy was, in spite of all
the effort by the gov, a bungled job. It doesn't stand up to intelligent
scrutiny. Now it is our job toget the disgusting thugs out of
office and into prison. They (Bush/Cheney/et. al.) ARE the real enemy
combatants. Peace, D. Mindock
Dear
friends,
As one who
has worked as a language interpreter for
presidents and other dignitaries at the highest levels of government, I am
deeply committed to strengthening democracy and to building a brighter future
for all of us. I and many others in the research network in which I am involved
have found that a key difficulty we face in building a better world is
the resistance of many people to looking at some of the darker aspects of what
is going both in the world and inside of ourselves.
I invite you
to consider that by avoiding or suppressing the darker aspects of life, we only
give them room to grow even darker and more threatening. By choosing to pull
back the veil and look directly into the darkness, by choosing to face both our
individual and collective fears and working to transform them, we can improve
not only our own lives, but our entire world. I present the information below
out of a desire to invite all of us draw back the veils and awaken to the deeper
potential that lies within all of us to play an important role in transforming
our world into a more caring, supportive place to live.
If
you can give just a few minutes of your time, I invite you to open to a crucial
piece of what is going on behind the veil by watching the most empowering
documentary on 9/11 that I've ever seen. Titled "Loose Change," this highly
revealing film is available free on Google Video at the link below. If
you have limited time, I cannot recommend highly enough going straight to the
link now and watching at least 10 to 15 minutes of this highly revealing
documentary. The reliable information provided serves as a wake-up call for us
all to come together in building a better world.
MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt from "t.ymlp.com" claiming to be http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8260059923762628848 -
Loose Change (82 minutes)
Though it
ranks as far and above the best documentary on 9/11 I've seen, "Loose Change" is
not enjoyable to watch. Many people find their stomach turning and their mind
saying "is this true" or "how can this be?" The documentary is meant to be
disturbing, yet it is equally designed to inspire us to action. Once we open to
seeing the darkness by educating ourselves, we begin to take power back into our
own hands both individually and collectively, and can then work together to
create more balance and harmony in our world.

With
gratitude and very best wishes,Fred Burks for the MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt from "t.ymlp.com" claiming to be WantToKnow.info
TeamFormer
language interpreter for Presidents Bush and
Clinton
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Re: [Biofuel] Gardening and Tires

2006-04-11 Thread Burak

Hello
Long time ago I have read an intelligent use of old tires to grow vegetation
on desert.  Basically they were reclaiming some of the desert back.
They would make a carpet of tires which were chained together.  They would
fill them with dirt and grow orange trees if I am not mistaken.
The practice was in middle east.  This would mostly stop the sands to grow
further to the fertile areas.

Maybe a search on the net would yield some results.

Wood pallets are also an issue here. Around where I work they are sold as
firewood. Sort of a waste.
I can immagine that they also can be used for particle board
manufacturing.(Instead of the new trees).
It would have been an interesting project to find ways to recycle pallets.
SInce they are standart in size, and abundant in amount, they can be a good
supply as raw material.

Regards

Burak

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Darryl McMahon
Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2006 10:30 PM
To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Subject: [Biofuel] Gardening and Tires


Robert's posts are making me envious.  The ground is still frozen here,
and my short visits in the greenhouse to start tomatoes, peppers and
some salad greens just aren't enough.

There has been some talk on a local plant e-mail list about using tires
for raised gardens.  I'm tempted.  I'm tired of bending over to weed,
and have access to tires and compost to fill them with.  Cedar planks
are rather expensive hereabouts.  (There will undoubtedly be issues with
the local aesthetics harassment, er.. by-law enforcement patrols, but
that's a separate issue.)

However, there is concern about using tires for food crops due to
materials that will leach from the tires (e.g., zinc).  There is
material at SANET and http://www.paghat.com/rubbermulch.html etc.
criticizing the practice.  However, most (if not all) of that is
specific to use of shredded tires as mulch.  I could not find anything
in the biofuel archive (after an admittedly quick search).

So, my questions are:

Is the hazard associated with leached materials from tires sufficient to
be of concern for food crops?  Does it make a difference if we're
talking flowers?  (The soil is still what's being affected most, right?)

Is the hazard using whole tires reduced relative to using shredded tires
due to reduced surface area, relative amount of tire being used or other
factors?

Other thoughts or comments?  The idea of finding a viable re-use for old
tires remains attractive, but not if it introduces a new hazard.

--
Darryl McMahon  http://www.econogics.com
It's your planet.  If you won't look after it, who will?


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Re: [Biofuel] Separating Glycerine

2006-04-11 Thread Thomas Kelly

Todd,
   I appreciate your response. I think you hit the nail on the head when you
1. suggested that I added too much acid
2. questioned how long I waited

   I added 1L 85%H3PO4 to each of 12 cubies. The next morning I did not see 
separation, nor did I see the mineral precip on the bottom. I then added 
more acid to two of the cubies, got separation, but also that middle layer 
of very fine salt (much too much acid).
   I should have waited longer.
   The other 10 cubies (36 hours later) all have a sand-like precipitate on 
the bottom. Separation of Glycerine and FFA is not apparent.
   I'm an idiot!
   You cannot perceive the separation within the cubie. I stirred the 
content of two of the cubies and removed samples. They are in glass jars on 
the windowsill. Within minutes separation became noticable.

You also wrote:
  "You should see a near instantaneous curdling, which after some additional 
mixing gets broken down to sand like granules. The top layer of FFAs should 
be completely separated within an hour or two, giving the
appearance of only two layers. Within a few hours the glycerol layer should 
start to become apparent. But the settling  may not be largely complete for 
a dozen hours."

   I am using a paint stirrer on a drill to mix the acid w. the Glycerine 
cocktail for about a minute. I don't notice any change while mixing.
Should I continue to mix until I see a change?

Thanks for your suggestion re: saving the excess acid. I still have 
plenty of Glycerine coproduct (another 12 cubies) and will experiment.
With the still finally completed, I'm a bit anxious to try to recover 
the methanol. Robert and Keith have brought the joy back to gardening  ... 
it somehow got distorted into work last year. I'm anxious to spray the 
potassium phosphate on the new compost pile I'm building. Patience is indeed 
a virtue at this point.
   Thanks again,
 Tom

- Original Message - 
From: "Appal Energy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 11:31 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Separating Glycerine

> Thomas,
>
> You shouldn't need but between 1.5 and 1.75 gallons of 85% phosphoric
> for every 50 gallons of glyc cocktail that is derived from 1.5 gram
> titrated oil.
>
> That would work out to be approximately 0.135 to 0.157 gallons per cube,
> or 510 to 595 mililiters per cube.
>
> I guess the question is how long are you allowing for the
> settling/phase-splitting process to occur and what is the physical
> appearance of the process as you mix?
>
> You should see a near instantaneous curdling, which after some
> additional mixing gets broken down to sand like granules. The top layer
> of FFAs should be completely separated within an hour or two, giving the
> appearance of only two layers. Within a few hours the glycerol layer
> should start to become apparent. But the settling  may not be largely
> complete for a dozen hours.
>
> The general problem with FFA recovery is over-acidification. This can
> create a strata between the oil and glycerol/methanol layer that
> contains fines of the salt that won't precipitate out. We've toyed with
> that strata when it occasionally appears, trying different methods to
> get it to precipitate, inclusive of further acidifying it. This
> generally only exacerbates the problem, creating the a liquid bottom
> layer, a center layer with suspended fines, and the FFA layer on top.
>
> My bet is that you're hyper-dosing your glycerine cocktail. The first
> thing to do is to apply patience and do a series of bracket tests using
> considerably less acid and a generous time for the settling to take place.
>
> I'll leave the precise chemistry to the chemists. It has much to do with
> the water content of the acid, the water solubility of the precipitate
> and probably a dozen other factors such as polarity, specific gravities
> and just downright nastiness of chemicals that don't want to play well
> with each other in the wrong ratios.
>
> If you want to further some experimentation, you could take a sample
> from your inverted result and add minute amounts of glyc cocktail to it
> to see if the FFAs from that addition break in the presence of the
> over-acidified sample. The biggest clue there would be if your
> precipitate finally drops to the bottom. Add just 5-10 mililiters at a
> time to perhaps a 100 ml sample. Stir well and be patient, leaving at
> least a half-hour or hour between each addition (if necessary).
>
> If that works, then you're not out the excess acid that you've already
> consumed. You just bring the levels down by adding some glyc cocktail.
>
> Patience and max utility, you know. No point in using chemicals you
> don't need.
>
> Todd Swearingen
>
>
> Thomas Kelly wrote:
>
>> Hello All,
>> I have many 4.5 gal (17.7L) cubies full of the glycerine
>> coproduct.  I've begun the task of splitting it. I would appreciate
>> comments on my initial results.
>> The oil I use tit

[Biofuel] Pallets, was Gardening and Tires

2006-04-11 Thread mark manchester

I remember this pallet recycling problem was discussed here a couple years
ago.  People were talking about using the reclaimed pallet wood in housing
construction, like the lath strips you find in old plaster walls...  I think
it was Steve Spence was building his house that way? but that could be way
off.  It certainly seems nuts not to use mahogany and teak SOMEhow.

I used to live on a tugboat which we refitted with tongue-and-groove from
condemned boats nearby in the harbour (yes, we stole it, but the boats were
going to scrap!).  My cabin was rawtha gorgeous mahogany.  You never SEE
wood like that anymore.

There's a fancy restauranteur here in Southern Ontario, serves people
outside mostly (al fresco!), roasting whole beasts over wood fires and
smoking fish in his own little smoker hillock.  Statlander, his name, and
you other Ontario people will know him.  Very energy conscious fellow,
eco-friendly, supportive of local artisan cheesemakers and organic farmers,
and an incredible chef.  Anyway, his outdoor tables are all made of pallets,
which should be great, but they're really ugly and you get slivers in your
bottom.

Jesse

> From: Doug Foskey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
> Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 15:37:58 +1000
> To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
> Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Gardening and Tires
> 
> 1: In Australia, pallets are chipped (then the nails etc are sorted &
> recycled) The chips go to mulch, etc.
> 
> 2: Tractor tyres, with the sidewall cut out would make a good bed. (Use a
> pointy carving knife to cut the walls out- & do not tell the wife! Women just
> do not understand! (TIC)) Lay plastic in the tyre, then fill with
> soil/compost: that should isolate the tyre from the soil (but leave the
> bottom open, so the bed does not waterlog)
> 
> regards Doug
> 
> On Monday 10 April 2006 4:13, Keith Addison wrote:
>> Hi Darryl
>> 
>> I think your caution is well-founded. Tyres were discussed on one of
>> the organic lists a while back and rejected because of cadmium
>> leaching. I'll try to find the details, but maybe I won't get that
>> far. Maybe they're okay for flowers, but do you want to have to
>> segregate bits of your garden that could be poisoned? Not that it's
>> not already poisoned, but there are degrees.
>> 
>> America discards 270 million tyres a year. One each. Californians
>> throw away 33 million tyres a year, which "tremendously outstrips"
>> the demand for recycled rubber. Only 12 million to 18 million of
>> those are recycled, leaving the rest to clog landfills or stand in
>> massive piles that are fire hazards (and leach).
>> 
>> That doesn't make sense, eh? Somebody has to be looking at their
>> bottom line instead of the recycling imperative (let alone the reduce
>> imperative).
>> 
>> Something else that comes to mind is that a lot of natural gas is
>> used to make carbon black, most of which is used to dye tyres. In the
>> circumstances that's nuts.
>> 
>> Pity tyre containers are a no-no for plants. We use permanent raised
>> beds in the vegetable garden. We're starting to give them wooden
>> sides, 12-15" high. It's a bit of a job but it works really well in
>> several ways. Chipped sticks and other rough brown stuff in the paths
>> between with a thin layer of manure underneath, which brings the
>> worms while the woodchips prevent too much soil compaction when you
>> walk on it. Eventually the roots grow under the paths too.
>> 
>> But there's a major annoyance with this. For the wood we're using
>> discarded container pallets, of which there's an endless supply,
>> which is annoying in itself since they really shouldn't exist, but
>> nearly all of them are made of fine mahogany and other tropical
>> hardwoods. This is atrocious. It's excellent wood, I really hate
>> doing this with it but we can't find any more deserving use for it
>> than the beds, along with several big compost boxes, some slatted
>> pathways, a floor to keep manure bags and so on off the ground and
>> dry before it's used, all stuff you should use junk wood for, not
>> mahogany. But at least we're using it.
>> 
>> In the US: "In 1999, for instance, 7.5 million tons of wooden pallets
>> went into the solid waste stream, accounting for over 60 percent of
>> all wood waste." And: "There are an estimated 6 hardwood palletts in
>> landfill for every resident of the US."
>> 
>> What the hell is wood waste?? Which gets landfilled, sheesh.
>> 
>> "During 1991, Ohio produced about 32 million pallets. Hardwoods make
>> up 72 percent of the total production, softwood 15% and mixed 13%.
>> One-third of the pallets were constructed for reuse and two-thirds of
>> the pallets were one-way, or disposable pallets. Only 7.5 million
>> pallets were repaired or recycled. The study estimates that disposing
>> wood from pallets into landfills claims the equivalent of the saw
>> timber on more than 18,000 Ohio acres each year. Eventually, a
>> substantial quantity of wood pallets enter landf

Re: [Biofuel] The Accidental Farmer

Hi Ron, and all

More about solar stills here:

http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/ethanol_manual/manual15.html
The Manual for the Home and Farm Production of Alcohol Fuel
by S.W. Mathewson
Chapter 15
SOLAR STILLS

Best

Keith


>THIS MIGHT BE USEFUL FOR YOU ETHANOL USERS
>
>I once saw in an old copy of "Mother Earth News" where a farmer had 
>a good crop of corn but every one else had a good crop too and the 
>market had taken a dive. He decided to convert his crop to ethanol. 
>He had to go through all sorts of rigmarole to get the permits etc 
>but prevailed in the end.
>
>After his "mix" had worked and the time came to get the ethanol from 
>the mash, he devised a "solar still". Using sunlight to extract an 
>ethanol that he then used to run his vehicles and farm equipment. 
>There was water in it already but not so much that it would not work.
>
>The still was simplicity itself, with an elevated reservoir with (I 
>think) a Hessian or similar product, to "siphon" the liquid down a 
>slope (angled to catch the sun). This whole area was covered with 
>glass (like a solar hot water heater) and there were two reservoirs 
>at the bottom. One for the finished mash liquid and another, which 
>collected the alcohol/water mix, which had condensed on the under 
>side of the glass.
>
>I imagine that some experimentation would be needed with the flow 
>rate and length of the slope to ensure that there was not too much 
>water in the ethanol.
>
>BLUE; reservoir for mash
>
>RED; glass needs to cover the whole thing and be sealed so the 
>ethanol does not get out.
>
>GREEN; slope for the liquid to run down. The hessian needs to sit in 
>the top reservoir and go up and over the edge and down the slope. It 
>would probably be best for it to go all the way to the bottom 
>thereby providing a much larger surface area for the mash to absorb 
>heat etc.
>
>The crude diagram does not show the two reservoirs at thr bottom.
>
>He then sold the depleted mash as a stock feed and ended up in front.
>
>It would be a cheap way to make "white lightning"
>
>Ron (Canberra)
>
>
>
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>>We made most of our ethanol out of rice. We added 20% water
>>and drove our car and truck on it with excellent results.
>>Marilyn
>>
>>Biofuel@sustainablelists.org wrote:
>>Sticky/Glutinous rice from the fields makes real good ethanol. If
>>used with
>>and injection of 15 to 20% water it produces much more energy
>>in a tuned
>>engine to the fuel water mix than gas. Why the need to go to
>>other
>>Bio-Fuels? The Ethanol with the water injection would be
>>sufficient   to run
>>pumps, generators and the likes as long as the intake to the
>>engine was as
>>short as possible for easy starting.
>>
>>Doug
>>- Original Message -
>>From: "Johnathan Corgan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>To: 
>>Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 3:24 AM
>>Subject: [Biofuel] The Accidental Farmer
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>I've recently acquired through inheritance about 20 acres of
>>>
>>>
>>farm land
>>
>>
>>>in rural Philippines.  It's currently being used for rice and I think
>>>some tobacco.  My wife's extended family works the land and
>>>
>>>
>>the
>>
>>
>>>operation has now passed into our hands.
>>>
>>>Being a professional engineer and California-based city boy, I
>>>
>>>
>>have no
>>
>>
>>>clue whatsoever about anything to do with farming.  My lifetime
>>>agricultural experience is watching seeds sprout in egg carton
>>>
>>>
>>planters
>>
>>
>>>as a child in an elementary school science project.
>>>
>>>By pure coincidence, I've recently begun experimenting with
>>>
>>>
>>WVO-based
>>
>>
>>>biodiesel production, currently at the "successful 1L batch"
>>>
>>>
>>stage.
>>
>>
>>>In addition, we've thought of building a vacation/retirement
>>>
>>>
>>home on
>>
>>
>>>this land, emphasizing "off the grid" energy--PV, wind,
>>>
>>>
>>battery-based
>>
>>
>>>power leveling, and diesel-generator backup.
>>>
>>>So all this adds up to a grand opportunity--can the land be
>>>
>>>
>>made
>>
>>
>>>sufficiently productive to support methanol or ethanol based
>>>
>>>
>>biodiesel
>>
>>
>>>manufacture for a small community, for a suitable definition of
>>>
>>>
>>"small"?
>>
>>
>>>My understanding is that the climate is suitable for several
>>>
>>>
>>different
>>
>>
>>>types of oilseed crops, but I don't even know the right
>>>
>>>
>>questions to
>>
>>
>>>ask.  I do know, though, that rural Philippines has many
>>>
>>>
>>interesting
>>
>>
>>>logistical issues, not to mention some geopolitical instability
>>>
>>>
>>and poor
>>
>>
>>>infrastructure.
>>>
>>>I have many ideas, but little understanding of practicalities :-)
>>>
>>>(Not to mention the livelihoods of a number of members of my
>>>
>>>
>>wife's
>>
>>
>>>family, so this is more serious than mere experimentation.)
>>>
>>>-Johnathan


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Re: [Biofuel] Separating Glycerine

2006-04-11 Thread Thomas Kelly

Ken,
Thanks for your
response.
You wrote:
"That's pretty clean oil -- should only have maybe 11g of
FFA per liter, which will need about 5g (3ml) of 85% H3PO4 (per
liter oil) to separate. Sounds like you're using about 300X too much
phosphoric acid."
Each 4.5 gal cubie
contains the glycerine mix from about 150 L of processed oil. I followed the
suggestion from JtF:

"We found that it takes about 1.5 to 1.7 ml of 85%
phosphoric acid for each gram of sodium lye used in the process. So, if the WVO you used titrated
at 3 ml, you'd have used 3 + 3.5 = 6.5 grams of lye per liter of oil in the
process. To treat the glycerine layer, add 6.5 x 1.5 = 9.75 ml of 85% phosphoric
acid per liter of oil used.

Me: ~150L
oil/cubie 5g lye/L (processing) = 750 g lye/cubie X 1.5ml Acid/g lye
= 1125 ml Acid/ cubie i.e. 1L and 125ml of Phosphoric
Acid/cubie).
"Per liter of oil, you might expect to get 100ml
of glycerine and the above 11g (12ml)
of FFA. If you're getting five times
that much "FFA", it's probly not FFA."
If I
understand you correctly, you are saying that I should be getting roughly 8:1
ratio of glycerine to FFA (given the oil I used). My first 2 cubies (9 gal) have
given only about 3:1.
My "FFA"
layer looks very much like the original glycerine mix. Is there such a thing as
a partial split
... analogous to an
incomplete reaction??
>
glycerine still in the FFA?
I appreciate your thoughts,

Tom

-
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From:
Ken Provost
To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org

Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 9:44
PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Separating
Glycerine

On Apr 10, 2006, at 4:42 PM, Thomas Kelly wrote:

The oil I use titrates between 1.0 and
1.5g/L.

That's pretty clean
oil -- should only have maybe
11g of FFA per liter, which will need about 5g (3ml)
of 85% H3PO4 (per liter oil) to separate. Sounds
like
you're using about 300X too much phosphoric acid.

I use the single stage base method. I get a yield greater

than 80%. I have assumed that it is because I use oil
that

is low in FFA.
Does this also explain why I get only about half as
much

FFA as Glycerine when I separate the glycerine
mix?

Per liter of oil, you might
expect to get 100ml of glycerine
and the above 11g (12ml) of FFA. If you're getting five
times that much "FFA", it's probly not FFA.

I have my oil burner running on BD100. I would like
to add

the FFA from the split ... probably 5 - 10%. Any
problems

anticipated w. this? Will it stay dissolved in the BD or
separate

out?
FFA should be soluble in
biodiesel to at least that extent.

-K

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Re: [Biofuel] Fw: Honoring the Sacred Core of Islam

Title: Honoring the Sacred Core of Islam



We started with family structure,  progressed 
to group structure, handing of power from patriarchs to the people, to the 
decline in racism, and the vote for women, we are now at the stage where 
religion needs to harmonize. The radicals are but few that influence/control a 
majority or there would be no place for the Bushes of this world. 
 
Can the religions get together in harmony? This I 
see as the next stage in an ever shrinking world where we can all be accepted 
for what we are as it is harmony with the planet in accordance with harmony and 
religions. If the time to free people and give the vote took upheavals, what are 
the expectations of accepting all of us as one in religion or faith to take?? 
Given a thousand years would we succeed in total harmony of religion not 
just "freedom of religion" (don't think we have freedom of politics any more). 
To be of any religion or faith and not be looked upon as an out-sider or 
different to the basis of a human being, to be accepted is this going to be 
accomplished with a Nuke or two?? I think it is in the hearts of the people 
to learn and to try and understand each other this I hope so, all radicals 
aside.
 
If religion be the cause of dissention and discord 
amongst mankind better to forgo the religion. Surely religion and faiths of 
this world are to cause harmony and not discord? Why would a Prophet, a God, a 
Savior, a Saint want to destroy? Surely this destructive lean is mans 
interpretation for his own self-aggrandizement and ego.
 
I could not agree more than with what some have 
foreseen and discussed and the article below, the change from a "weapons of 
mass destruction" and other such name slinging roads to instigate 
profiteering for a few through provoking death as a change to 
"religious war". This is probably the worlds most dangerous quandary at present. 
How to start the true "Global Community".
 
How many sleep on and do zilch?
Doug 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  D. 
  Mindock 
  To: Undisclosed-Recipient:; 
  Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 2:50 
  PM
  Subject: [Biofuel] Fw: Honoring the 
  Sacred Core of Islam
  
  I 
  am forwarding this article as a way to introduce you to Stephan's 
  writings. Peace, D. Mindock
  
  


  
  My Groups | stephendinan Main 
Page 

  
  Forward 
  freely...Honoring the Sacred Core of IslamSacred 
  America series #12by Stephen Dinan Americans have a singular 
  challenge in relating to Islam, a challenge that long predates 9/11 and Al 
  Queda. People across the political spectrum assume that Islam is more likely 
  to goad its followers into religious violence than other religions. Others, 
  who are more cautious, differentiate radical extremism from the peace-loving 
  core. The more reactive factions in the West go so far as to make slurs about 
  the religion as a whole and assume the only solution is war. Across the full 
  spectrum of politics, there is an uneasy feeling that the modern West and 
  Islam are like oil and water. Healing this split may be the single most 
  essential act in creating a true global community. The eruption 
  of controversy around the Danish cartoons of the Prophet Mohammed serves as a 
  Rorschach for where this relationship is blocked. Westerners tend to see the 
  reaction to the cartoons as out of proportion to the insult. Muslims see the 
  cartoons as a deep dishonoring of their revered founder, yet another example 
  of the Wests disdain. Our tendency in situations like this is to 
  point fingers at the other: it is something intrinsic in them that makes the 
  relationship unworkable. However, the truth in all relationships is that we 
  play a role in the breakdown. Our Western way of relating influences the world 
  of Islam, which then feeds back to us in a cycle of mutual exchange. Breaking 
  a negative cycle on either side can lead to an opening of the relationship  
  change in the other is often much easier if we first change 
  ourselves. What is missing in virtually every opinion I read, 
  even those that offer cogent political or cultural analyses, is a heartfelt 
  honoring of the sacred core of Islam and especially the Prophet Mohammed. The 
  modern West simply does not authentically honor one of the most important 
  spiritual leaders of history. The Danish cartoons spoke to the truth of how 
  the West relates to Mohammed. Why is this important? 
   Whatever someone holds as sacred is their bridge to a better 
  world. For a scientist, the truth is sacred and the scientific method is seen 
  as a path to obtain that truth. For a Christian, Jesus is considered sacred 
  and therefore a relationship with him is a path to redemption. For many 
  environmentalists, the planet itself is seen as sacred; living more 
  sustainability is an act of worship. A sacred relationship is a 
  love relationship, one in which we see the intrinsic value, truth,

Re: [Biofuel] Documentation on Wood Properties

2006-04-11 Thread Fritz Friesinger




Hi Jim,Michael,
not to forget,that wood,sligthly burned will 
autoprotect (retard the fire) it self when burned and so keep the structural 
strengt longer!
Fritz

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
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  To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org 
  
  Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 11:52 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Documentation on 
  Wood Properties
  Michael,Did you know a structure with wood support beams 
  will maintain integrity longer in a fire than one of steel?  This is 
  true due to steels complete failure at a given temp where wood must be 
  consumed to a failure point, thus taking longer.My bit of trivia, 
  thanks for the posted site it is a good one.  You may also be 
  interested in the book "The Conversion and Seasoning of Wood" By William 
  Brown.JimLugano Wilson wrote:> this is a very 
  useful resourc,>  > 
  thanks. */Michael 
  Redler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* 
  wrote:>> I found 
  some good documentation on wood at the USDA 
  Forrest> 
  Service.>  
  > Properties of 
  wood:>  
  > 
  *http://tinyurl.com/oyyd5*>  
  > 
  or>  
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Re: [Biofuel] The Accidental Farmer

2006-04-11 Thread Ron & Shirley Walker





THIS MIGHT
BE USEFUL FOR YOU ETHANOL USERS
 
I once saw
in an old copy of “Mother Earth News” where a farmer had a good crop of
corn
but every one else had a good crop too and the market had taken a dive.
He
decided to convert his crop to ethanol. He had to go through all sorts
of
rigmarole to get the permits etc but prevailed in the end.
After his
“mix” had worked and the time came to get the ethanol from the mash, he
devised
a “solar still”. Using sunlight to extract an ethanol that he then used
to run
his vehicles and farm equipment. There was water in it already but not
so much
that it would not work.
The still
was simplicity itself, with an elevated reservoir with (I think) a
Hessian or
similar product, to “siphon” the liquid down a slope (angled to catch
the sun).
This whole area was covered with glass (like a solar hot water heater)
and
there were two reservoirs at the bottom. One for the finished mash
liquid and
another, which collected the alcohol/water mix, which had condensed on
the
under side of the glass.
I imagine
that some experimentation would be needed with the flow rate and length
of the
slope to ensure that there was not too much water in the ethanol.
 


  

  
  


  
  
  

  

 
 
 
 
 
 


BLUE;
reservoir for mash
RED; glass
needs to cover the whole thing and be sealed so the ethanol does not
get out.
GREEN;
slope for the liquid to run down. The hessian needs to sit in the top
reservoir
and go up and over the edge and down the slope. It would probably be
best for
it to go all the way to the bottom thereby providing a much larger
surface area
for the mash to absorb heat etc.
The crude diagram does
not show the two reservoirs at thr bottom. 
He
then sold
the depleted mash as a stock feed and ended up in front.
 
It would be
a cheap way to make “white lightning”
 
Ron
(Canberra)


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  We made most of our ethanol out of rice. We added 20% water 
and drove our car and truck on it with excellent results. 
Marilyn

Biofuel@sustainablelists.org wrote:
Sticky/Glutinous rice from the fields makes real good ethanol. If 
used with
and injection of 15 to 20% water it produces much more energy 
in a tuned
engine to the fuel water mix than gas. Why the need to go to 
other
Bio-Fuels? The Ethanol with the water injection would be 
sufficient   to run
pumps, generators and the likes as long as the intake to the 
engine was as
short as possible for easy starting.

Doug
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From: "Johnathan Corgan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 3:24 AM
Subject: [Biofuel] The Accidental Farmer


  
  
I've recently acquired through inheritance about 20 acres of 

  
  farm land
  
  
in rural Philippines.  It's currently being used for rice and I think
some tobacco.  My wife's extended family works the land and 

  
  the
  
  
operation has now passed into our hands.

Being a professional engineer and California-based city boy, I 

  
  have no
  
  
clue whatsoever about anything to do with farming.  My lifetime
agricultural experience is watching seeds sprout in egg carton 

  
  planters
  
  
as a child in an elementary school science project.

By pure coincidence, I've recently begun experimenting with 

  
  WVO-based
  
  
biodiesel production, currently at the "successful 1L batch" 

  
  stage.
  
  
In addition, we've thought of building a vacation/retirement 

  
  home on
  
  
this land, emphasizing "off the grid" energy--PV, wind, 

  
  battery-based
  
  
power leveling, and diesel-generator backup.

So all this adds up to a grand opportunity--can the land be 

  
  made
  
  
sufficiently productive to support methanol or ethanol based 

  
  biodiesel
  
  
manufacture for a small community, for a suitable definition of 

  
  "small"?
  
  
My understanding is that the climate is suitable for several 

  
  different
  
  
types of oilseed crops, but I don't even know the right 

  
  questions to
  
  
ask.  I do know, though, that rural Philippines has many 

  
  interesting
  
  
logistical issues, not to mention some geopolitical instability 

  
  and poor
  
  
infrastructure.

I have many ideas, but little understanding of practicalities :-)

(Not to mention the livelihoods of a number of members of my 

  
  wife's
  
  
family, so this is more serious than mere experimentation.)

-Johnathan

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Re: [Biofuel] storing biodiesel in veggie oil 55g drums

2006-04-11 Thread james demer

Thanks for the great advice all!

I will not worry about the trace amounts of oil this go-around. I like
your idea Kieth of building a stand and making a lid from fiberglass.
Today is my day off so I think I'll dust off the welder...

Thanks,

James

On 4/11/06, Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi James
>
> > I recently scored 14 (!!!) 55g drums of new canola oil for free.
>
> Good score! :-)
>
> The pint/quart of canola left would add 0.23-0.46% triglycerides to
> 55 gallons of biodiesel. Even if your processing is good that's just
> enough to bump you out of the standards requirements.
>
> Bob and Todd are right, shrug it off and it won't wreck your motor.
> Since it's new canola you could regard it as a lubricity enhancer,
> not that biodiesel exactly needs a lubricity enhancer, but hey. But
> if you're finickety about the details (a Good Thing unless you get
> too anal about it and lose the picture) you can get most of it out
> without too much trouble with biodiesel, as Todd says.
>
> So they're closed-top drums, usually two bungs, one on each side, one
> bigger, they both fit standard plumbing fittings.
>
> We use oil drums to store biodiesel and WVO and stuff. There's a
> choice. Simplest is to stand them on the ground and use a pump to get
> the stuff out (getting it in in the first place is another matter).
> We've got a great pump for this, a hand pump that screws into the
> bigger bung and can be raised or lowered so the inlet is any distance
> you want above the bottom. It has a cast iron pump casing, a good
> crank, and really good pull, it'll handle the rough stuff in WVO, and
> it cost about US$45 equiv. Worth paying for if you're a biodieseler
> or SVOer. We use it for collecting WVO when there's an oil drum
> involved, but we don't use it with the storage tanks. Pumping quickly
> gets old when you have to do it too often no matter how you do it,
> and making and using biodiesel should have a low chore-level, IMHO.
> Gravity is better.
>
> Open-top drums with cinch-clamped lids are much rarer than closed-top
> drums with bungs, or they are here anyway. We do have some lids
> though and I made a couple out of glass-fibre, not difficult. Even if
> you could find a lid, you might find that a cinch-clamp lid from an
> open-top drum isn't the same size as your closed-top drums. Sigh. But
> you could mould a glass-fibre lid on the bottom of an upended drum.
> Or you could use a circular wooden board with plastic glued to the
> underside, held onto the drum by cinch-clamps, which is a good option
> for a processor but less convenient for a storage tank than a
> properly shaped lid.
>
> Cut the bottom of the drum out, the top with the two bungs will now
> be the bottom. Screw a standard 3/4" gate valve or ball valve into
> the smaller bung.
>
> You can weld a stand together from 1.5" steel angle, which you can
> often find in junkyards free for the taking. If you don't have a
> welder, bolt a stand together out of timber. Make a solid job of it,
> it has to be strong, a full oil drum will weigh 175 kg, 385 lb. Todd
> Swearingen advises making provision for spills, surely good advice.
>
> The stand looks like a four-sided cage. The cross-struts are outside
> the uprights (legs). The bottom of the drum rests evenly on the top
> of the stand with the uprights extending a couple of inches up the
> side of the drum to secure it. You can build the stand upside down on
> top of an upended drum, or at least fit it that way. The stand must
> be high enough with enough space between the legs so you can get a
> 20-litre bucket or a carboy in under the valve. Use lower
> cross-struts on the sides and the back, not in the front. Don't make
> the stand too high, that will make it more difficult to fill it.
>
> Put a small standpipe inside the drum in the small bung outlet, it
> only needs to be a couple of inches or so high.
>
> Maybe you'll want to have some of the drums on stands and the rest on
> the ground.
>
> HTH.
>
> Best
>
> Keith
>
>
> >james demer wrote:
> > > I recently scored 14 (!!!) 55g drums of new canola oil for free. I am
> > > processing it into biodiesel and I'm running out of storage. Can I put
> > > biodiesel back into a 55g drum that housed new canola oil? I emptied
> > > the drums pretty well but there is still probably a pint to a quart of
> > > oil in the bottom of the drum.
> > > I'm just concerned that the oil will contaminate the bio-d.
> > > What do you smart people think?
> > >
> > > Thanks, James
>
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Re: [Biofuel] Fw: Honoring the Sacred Core of Islam

2006-04-11 Thread Hakan Falk




Interesting, but why do not tell that 
Christianity is the one of God's "spin off" that, 
historically and presently, is the most violent, 
indifferent and brutal version. Islam is probably 
on average least violent, even if you look at 
current statistics also. If you truly worship 
God, you must also accept all by humans created 
religious versions and different views of Jesus 
role and part in it. The Muslims and Jews, 
recognize him as a prophet, but the Christians is 
killing those who do not accept that he was God's 
son and have done so for hundreds of years. In my 
view, the religious people that fail to be 
inclusive, and realize that they all belong to 
the combined group of Christians, Muslims and 
Jews, are faltering in their belief in God and 
his basic laws. Then we have the complete idiots, 
who belive that war would in any way further 
God's interest. It is sad when they occupy 
important leader positions and create havoc among 
all God's children. That Bush is not stroke by 
lightning, is a major proof to falter in the 
general belive in God's existence. What is 
proven, is that humanity consist of a majority of stupid religious idiots.


Hakan


At 09:50 11/04/2006, you wrote:

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Honoring the Sacred Core of Islam
Sacred America series #12
by Stephen Dinan

Americans have a singular challenge in relating 
to Islam, a challenge that long predates 9/11 
and Al Queda. People across the political 
spectrum assume that Islam is more likely to 
goad its followers into religious violence than 
other religions. Others, who are more cautious, 
differentiate radical extremism from the 
peace-loving core. The more reactive factions in 
the West go so far as to make slurs about the 
religion as a whole and assume the only solution 
is war. Across the full spectrum of politics, 
there is an uneasy feeling that the modern West 
and Islam are like oil and water. Healing this 
split may be the single most essential act in creating a true global community.


The eruption of controversy around the Danish 
cartoons of the Prophet Mohammed serves as a 
Rorschach for where this relationship is 
blocked. Westerners tend to see the reaction to 
the cartoons as out of proportion to the insult. 
Muslims see the cartoons as a deep dishonoring 
of their revered founder, yet another example of the Wests disdain.


Our tendency in situations like this is to point 
fingers at the other: it is something intrinsic 
in them that makes the relationship 
unworkable. However, the truth in all 
relationships is that we play a role in the 
breakdown. Our Western way of relating 
influences the world of Islam, which then feeds 
back to us in a cycle of mutual exchange. 
Breaking a negative cycle on either side can 
lead to an opening of the relationship  change 
in the other is often much easier if we first change ourselves.


What is missing in virtually every opinion I 
read, even those that offer cogent political or 
cultural analyses, is a heartfelt honoring of 
the sacred core of Islam and especially the 
Prophet Mohammed. The modern West simply does 
not authentically honor one of the most 
important spiritual leaders of history. The 
Danish cartoons spoke to the truth of how the West relates to Mohammed.


Why is this important?

Whatever someone holds as sacred is their bridge 
to a better world. For a scientist, the truth is 
sacred and the scientific method is seen as a 
path to obtain that truth. For a Christian, 
Jesus is considered sacred and therefore a 
relationship with him is a path to redemption. 
For many environmentalists, the planet itself is 
seen as sacred; living more sustainability is an act of worship.


A sacred relationship is a love relationship, 
one in which we see the intrinsic value, truth, 
beauty, and transformative power in something or 
someone. A sacred sensibility leads towards a 
feeling of awe and reverence, as well as guiding 
us beyond less evolved patterns of expression towards something more whole.


When we cannot bless what someone else holds as 
sacred, we create a rift between us at the root 
level of our consciousness, which will 
inevitably undermine the relationship. Without 
this honoring of what another holds as holy, we 
cannot truly connect with their heart, since 
their heart is intimately engaged in that sacred relationship.


I believe that the lack of a deep honoring of 
the Prophet Mohammed by both the secular and 
Christian West has helped fuel the nuclear core 
of hatred, division, and reactivity we see 
today. If we were better able to celebrate the 
great blessing, illumination, and transformation 
that his words and life have brought to people 
around the world, we would come back into

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