Re: [Biofuel] Small oil press

2006-04-19 Thread lres1
What we would like and what is reality can be very different to each and every one of us. For me reality is the "W" factor built into many of my projects, to this end their needs be a base line against loss and gain, this line is zero in many instances. I am very interested in the press as

Re: [Biofuel] Small oil press

2006-04-19 Thread Keith Addison
All quite true Todd, as far as it goes. But there's a gap between what Edwin says he wants to achieve and what he says his goals are. As he states it, his primary goal isn't to make loadsamoney, it's to benefit very poor people, and why shouldn't he get a return on his investment in the doing?

Re: [Biofuel] Small oil press

2006-04-19 Thread Keith Addison
Thankyou Rexis! I can't help agreeing with you. LOL! But there are lots and lots of websites that do that, it's one of the most noticeable things about the Internet. Regards Keith Sound like he just wanna sell his product. And wishfully hope that we can help him to boost his sale. Have we

Re: [Biofuel] Nettle Juice

2006-04-19 Thread Keith Addison
Hi all The juice from rhubarb leaves, boiled up strained, is supposed to make a good natural insecticide too, just don't use the boiling pan for food again! Nettles contain methanoic acid (formic acid)- that's the irritant / insecticide. But rhubarb leaves contain mainly oxalic acid malic

Re: [Biofuel] Small oil press

2006-04-19 Thread Keith Addison
All things aside if he were to tier the costs from the poor to the AB and UN etc so that the poor were subsidized this alone would not be so bad. I suggested that in the first place Doug, but Edwin doesn't seem to see it that way, he didn't take any notice. Best Keith To this end am

Re: [Biofuel] You were saying?

2006-04-19 Thread Keith Addison
On the other hand (the one that knoweth not what doeth the other, so I guess either will do)... Is it PNGV? Is it the Freedom Car? No, it's, up, up and away, it's SUPERVISION! Karsner: Advanced Energy Initiative is a Vision for Victory President Bush's Advanced Energy Initiative is a Vision

Re: [Biofuel] You were saying?

2006-04-19 Thread Mike Weaver
You're making my head hurt Keith Addison wrote: On the other hand (the one that knoweth not what doeth the other, so I guess either will do)... Is it PNGV? Is it the Freedom Car? No, it's, up, up and away, it's SUPERVISION! Karsner: Advanced Energy Initiative is a Vision for Victory

Re: [Biofuel] A little (more) clarification

2006-04-19 Thread Mike Weaver
Google: white mans burden and William Easterly... Michael Redler wrote: When you Google white mans burden, you simply end up with a list of acts committed in the name of...which has grown since Rudyard. Today, the motives for hegemony are hidden and given names designed to confuse

Re: [Biofuel] A little (more) clarification

2006-04-19 Thread Keith Addison
Hi Bob Hi y'all, I'd say Rudyard was laughing (he had a great capacity for humour) at the misnomer we have made of his White Man's Burden. Judging out of context is like shooting fish in a barrel. Kipling lived and wrote in a time of Empire, and what he was trying to do was set a

Re: [Biofuel] A little clarification

2006-04-19 Thread Keith Addison
Chip's offlist fight with listadmin ended well for all concerned, IMHO, I'm glad Chip agrees. Definitely offlist stuff, the list wasn't deprived of anything. Raking up old coals isn't always a good idea, and this would just have been a distraction or worse. I think there's a lot of offlisting

Re: [Biofuel] You were saying?

2006-04-19 Thread Bobby Clark
Yeah, the US missed the opportunity to have someone in office that couldn't make a decision if the life and health of the nation depended on it. I would feel really safe if the democrats had control of the White House... From: robert luis rabello [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To:

Re: [Biofuel] Small oil press

2006-04-19 Thread Appal Energy
So who is Edwin trying to kid? Maybe, just maybe, he's not entirely aware of how relative the poverty income rate is in various regions. (A point to which you elude later in your reply.) 100 Euros isn't exactly the wealth of Fort Knox ($122 US), although it remains a relative matter. I

Re: [Biofuel] A little clarification

2006-04-19 Thread Zeke Yewdall
I like the way this list works -- a few of my other sustainability lists it's very easy to get off-topic (try discussing the political ramifications or drivers behind a sustainbility issue...) and then the moderator steps in and tells you to take it elsewhere. Here it seems like there is no

[Biofuel] Manufacturing in the US

2006-04-19 Thread Michael Redler
For someone who has made a career in manufacturing, I find Bush speeches on the economy especially hard to listen to. My opinion:An empirebenefits fromit's conquered lands byexploitingit's resources - usually in the form of labor and durable goods. It does this until it becomes dependent

Re: [Biofuel] You were saying?

2006-04-19 Thread Fred Finch
Say Bobby...Do you feel safe now?fredOn 4/19/06, Bobby Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Yeah, the US missed the opportunity to have someone in office that couldn't make a decision if the life and health of the nation depended on it. I wouldfeel really safe if the democrats had control of the White

[Biofuel] Manufacturing in the US

2006-04-19 Thread Michael Redler
For someone who has made a career in manufacturing, I find Bush speeches on the economy especially hard to listen to. My opinion:An empirebenefits fromit's conquered lands byexploitingit's resources - usually in the form of labor and durable goods. It does this until it becomes dependent

Re: [Biofuel] Small oil press

2006-04-19 Thread Zeke Yewdall
On 5/10/06, Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 100 Euros isn't exactly the wealth of Fort Knox ($122 US), although it remains a relative matter. I know that in Mauritania, the per capita annual income is somewhere around US$280So about half a year's income. Sort of like a fancy new

Re: [Biofuel] You were saying?

2006-04-19 Thread Zeke Yewdall
On 4/19/06, Bobby Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, the US missed the opportunity to have someone in office that couldn't make a decision if the life and health of the nation depended on it. I would feel really safe if the democrats had control of the White House... Well, maybe the

Re: [Biofuel] You were saying?

2006-04-19 Thread Appal Energy
Nice sarcasm there Bobby. Yeah, the US missed the opportunity to have someone in office that couldn't make a decision if the life and health of the nation depended on it. Would be interesting to see precisely what you base that remark on other than the pablam you've apparently nursed on

Re: [Biofuel] You were saying?

2006-04-19 Thread Michael Redler
Let's give Bobby the benefit of the doubt.He's had negative comments about the Democrats. I'm waiting to see if he has something good to say about Bush and the Republicans.Personally, I have no loyalty toward either andI sometimes find it difficult to see the difference between the two,

Re: [Biofuel] You were saying?

2006-04-19 Thread Fred Finch
Todd breaks out the verbal glaive while I grab the nearest thought of a broken beer bottle.Sometimes I swear I still feel like a mental midget here!Damn fine writing!fred On 5/10/06, Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nice sarcasm there Bobby. Yeah, the US missed the opportunity to have someone

Re: [Biofuel] You were saying?

2006-04-19 Thread Fred Finch
Hey Mike, My response was not an attempt to root out any political leanings either. I merely asked a question. Personally I hate both parties because ultimately the are the same. I just hate one more right now because they are the ones holding all the cards. fredOn 4/19/06, Michael Redler [EMAIL

Re: [Biofuel] You were saying?

2006-04-19 Thread Michael Redler
Don't worry Fred.Todd certainly has a talent for stringing words together and having it mean something. But, as long as you get your point across, it's all good.BTW, I've always felt that in order to use the full range of a language, one needs to look beyond their dictionary and

Re: [Biofuel] You were saying?

2006-04-19 Thread Appal Energy
Well don't call me brilliant. Now I know what a glaive is where I didn't before - a poor man's week wacker, eh? Todd Swearingen Fred Finch wrote: Todd breaks out the verbal glaive while I grab the nearest thought of a broken beer bottle. Sometimes I swear I still feel like a mental

[Biofuel] Thoughts on the Bush Admninistation

2006-04-19 Thread Bobby Clark
The Bush Administration is not trying to kill you. Sounds like a little paranoia. First of all, I don't think all of the decisions coming out of this administration are wrong; although the media would certainly have you believe so. They really have it out for this president; even to the point

Re: [Biofuel] You were saying?

2006-04-19 Thread Keith Addison
Hakan Falk wrote: US missed an opportunity in the last election, but Bush cannot stay after his period, if he does not also try to pull AH's last trick. I doubt that this can be done in US, nothing is really left other than the hope that next election will be more kind to the world.

Re: [Biofuel] my opinion of Northern Tool

2006-04-19 Thread Keith Addison
Thanks Keith. Keep on trucking! :-) Right on, Michael. Hitchhikers welcome. No pachouli. Keith (Anybody made biodiesel out of pachouli? Could there be a good use for it after all?) Michael Lendzian ___ Biofuel mailing list

Re: [Biofuel] Small oil press

2006-04-19 Thread Keith Addison
Todd, sorry, I can't figure if you're saying that the purpose of your 833 gallon biodiesel plant is to fight poverty and hunger in the 3rd World, or have I missed the point completely and it's the Northern Tools 1 clear water pump that's helping to fight hunger in poor countries because it's

Re: [Biofuel] A little (more) clarification

2006-04-19 Thread Keith Addison
Google: white mans burden and William Easterly... Definitely. Some people have been saying some of those things for a long time, including me, and I think you Mike. William Easterly's not the first and not alone, a lot of other bright people have worked on these problems. It's not that

Re: [Biofuel] Thoughts on the Bush Admninistation

2006-04-19 Thread Keith Addison
I hope you've got your flame suit on Bobby, LOL! After all, we blew all this out of the water more than three years ago, and ever since. Anyway, me first, with this: Fundamentalist Islam hates America, period. Our way of life is against what their religion teaches and it (our way of life)

Re: [Biofuel] Thoughts on the Bush Admninistation

2006-04-19 Thread Appal Energy
Bobby, But if you are upset about illegal immigration or the lack of a future for social security, you can't rightfully blame Bush. You don't have a problem with taking a growing surplus (pre-Bush) and turning it into a deficit that will take 30 years to recover from (present Bush) and

Re: [Biofuel] my opinion of Northern Tool

2006-04-19 Thread Appal Energy
Hitchhikers welcome. No pachouli. Communist Jesus would have worn patchouli. Guess he must have been a Dead Head to boot. Todd Swearingen Keith Addison wrote: Thanks Keith. Keep on trucking! :-) Right on, Michael. Hitchhikers welcome. No pachouli. Keith (Anybody made

Re: [Biofuel] Thoughts on the Bush Admninistation

2006-04-19 Thread Hakan Falk
Bobby, It is many things you can attach to Bush. I agree with you on many of the things you choose, but you are quite selective in those choices. The responsibility for war in Iraq, more than 100,000 Iraqi death and a couple thousand (plus) Americans, is firmly at Bush doorstep. It had

Re: [Biofuel] Thoughts on the Bush Admninistation

2006-04-19 Thread robert luis rabello
Bobby Clark wrote: The Bush Administration is not trying to kill you. Sounds like a little paranoia. That all depends on which side you're on. The current polarization of debate in the United States underscores an us versus them mentality pervading the minds of many Americans.

Re: [Biofuel] You were saying?

2006-04-19 Thread Appal Energy
Make that weed whacker. Appal Energy wrote: Well don't call me brilliant. Now I know what a glaive is where I didn't before - a poor man's week wacker, eh? Todd Swearingen Fred Finch wrote: Todd breaks out the verbal glaive while I grab the nearest thought of a broken beer bottle.

Re: [Biofuel] my opinion of Northern Tool

2006-04-19 Thread Keith Addison
Hitchhikers welcome. No pachouli. Communist Jesus would have worn patchouli. Guess he must have been a Dead Head to boot. LOL!!! But wasn't he a communist? He wouldn't have made biodiesel out of it though, stick to the point. Or maybe he would've. Do you make biodiesel out of it? And

Re: [Biofuel] You were saying?

2006-04-19 Thread Fred Finch
Somehow Week Whacker seems fitting too!On 5/10/06, Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Make that weed whacker.Appal Energy wrote:Well don't call me brilliant. Now I know what a glaive is where I didn't before - a poor man's week wacker, eh?Todd SwearingenFred Finch wrote:Todd breaks out the

Re: [Biofuel] You were saying?

2006-04-19 Thread Mike Weaver
I always wondered why you sound so funny when you talk... Michael Redler wrote: Don't worry Fred. Todd certainly has a talent for stringing words together and having it mean something. But, as long as you get your point across, it's all good. BTW, I've always felt that in order to

Re: [Biofuel] You were saying?

2006-04-19 Thread Fred Finch
I resemble that remark!!On 4/19/06, Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I always wondered why you sound so funny when you talk...Michael Redler wrote: Don't worry Fred. Todd certainly has a talent for stringing words together and having it mean something. But, as long as you get your point

Re: [Biofuel] copper plumbing

2006-04-19 Thread bioteo
What about copper in the condenser? Would some copper in the methanol kill the fuel. Or does it not dissolve in methanol? Another reactivity question; how about sweated [lead free solder}copper piping and brass valves for plumbing on a processor ? Thanks for all the info Andrew Leven Copper and

[Biofuel] BioPerformance

2006-04-19 Thread Darryl McMahon
I am such a miserable curmudgeon. I mean, how could I possibly be suspicious of this spam e-mail that has arrived in my in-box three times in three days? *Bio*Performance after all! Has to be great! The website has lots of green lettering on it. Testimonials. Possible savings of 10% to

[Biofuel] pump position problem

2006-04-19 Thread bioteo
Hello. I have a problem with my new processor. I asked the person who was selling it if it was self priming and he responded yes, it could even suck water from 6meters. Ofcourse I didnt believe him, but I hotught that it probabbly could manage 40 cm. Well it cant. And #305; have already mounted

Re: [Biofuel] pump position problem

2006-04-19 Thread Bruno M.
hi Teoman, A pump who could suck 6 meter and a pump who is self priming, are not the same thing ( always). Some are self priming but don't suck from deep down. other pumps can suck-up from even 8 meters but can't start that them selfs ( out of a dry start position ). and then there are pumps

Re: [Biofuel] Thoughts on the Bush Admninistation

2006-04-19 Thread Marc DeGagne
9/11 happened before the war on terror ... Formerly known as the cold war, or the Vietnam war. Empires will always have perceived enemies to attempt conquering. Bobby if you have the time, clear your mind and watch this 3 part BBC documentary.

[Biofuel] Creekstone farms

2006-04-19 Thread Jason Katie
Does anyone have any new news on creekstone's fight with the USDA over their testing of beef stock? it just kind of vanished after a while. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org

Re: [Biofuel] A little (more) clarification

2006-04-19 Thread Bob Molloy
Hi Keith, Thanks for those urls, and the reminder about Milner, Cecil John and his financier mates. Point taken but off the point of which more in a moment. I once posed for a picture (fully clothed I hasten to add) in Rhodes bath, a massive Victorian monstrosity in his Rondebosch

Re: [Biofuel] pump position problem

2006-04-19 Thread Appal Energy
Is there anotherh alternative? Can anytone help? Depends on how your pump is plumbed in. If you can, put a standpipe with a valve in front of the intake on the pump. You can charge (fill) the standpipe with whatever liquid is appropriate for whatever you're trying to pump and use that charge

Re: [Biofuel] Creekstone farms

2006-04-19 Thread Appal Energy
Not really. See http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/0420/p02s01-woam.html Jason Katie wrote: Does anyone have any new news on creekstone's fight with the USDA over their testing of beef stock? it just kind of vanished after a while. ___ Biofuel

[Biofuel] Bill Gates into Bio-Ethanol production

2006-04-19 Thread Bruno M.
Bill Gates (Yep the one from Micro$oft) with his investment company Cascade Investment, L.L.C., dives into bio fuels so to see. Who said Ethanol out of corn is no good? ;-) grts Bruno M. ~~

[Biofuel] Tiny Reactor Boosts Biodiesel Production

2006-04-19 Thread Marty Phee
http://www.forbes.com/work/feeds/ap/2006/04/19/ap2681244.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: