Re: [Biofuel] Gov Auction for pressure filter
Aaron, My name is Bud and I'm new to this forum so I hope you folks can give a little slack if I get out of line. I have been using WVO for some time and had a lot of problems getting all of the junk out, but water was the biggest trouble. I tried filters, heating and settling and re-filtering with very little sucess. One day I was talking to a friend and he kept saying "centrifuge". So I did some reseach, asked a lot of question, some real deep thinking and desided to build a small centrifuge and thenall of the problem were gone. Now it's just a one function process. All that is needed is to use a fine kitchen screen as I pourthe oilinto the machine, warm it up a little and the centrifuge does the rest. It comes out almost as clean as new. I have been using my centrifuged oil for more than 10,000 miles and have yet to change my fuel filter. Therefore I don't think filtering is not the answer. Thanks for listening Bud - Original Message - From: Aaron Wagner To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, July 07, 2006 1:13 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Gov Auction for pressure filter This may be good for cleaning used fryer oil. http://cgi.govliquidation.com/auction/view?id=897708 ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] was..was..smart car coming to US in 2008
Hello Doug Maybe in parts of the world the emphasis on the individual being the smallest particle/denominator in society is attributable to the many problems thus associated/inherent in the developed world. What we do in work, in development, research, is all nothing but a sidelines, life and family is the main artery. Here the smallest part of society is the family, at this stage not divided but the UN, EU and others are trying their Development skills here as well. Individuals on high salaries answerable to no one racing around in the tax free SUV's telling the rest how to live with no care in their driving or their passing and the waves that extend as ripples from their passing affecting what they know not. The product of an individual is not. The product is what the family has enabled to take place or to develop and thus the reasons the process the sum are the product of family and not the individual. You could argue the opposite too, and that wouldn't make much sense either. You render mutually exclusive things which are interdependent. Neither of the two can usefully be categorised with such a broad-brush treatment. Arrant individualism is no worse than some of the highly suspect family ideology bandied about these days, and used for downright evil ends. You might as well say that men are better than women or women are better than men. Your concept of the basic group needs a bit of upgrading, IMHO, especially these days. See: http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg63691.html [Biofuel] A Framework for Understanding Global Conflict and Cooperation - Toward a Psychology of Interdependency Best wishes Keith My thoughts. Doug - Original Message - From: Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2006 1:47 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] was..was..smart car coming to US in 2008 Yeah isn't it a nice feeling to be living in a society of altruists eh? NOT! You can see it in the agressive way they drive too. People are becoming so self absorbed they really don't give a damn about much other than their own little world. It is an attitude which has been carefully cutivated by advertisers and sellers of convenience and instant gratification. If some of these people acted half as rude and selfish while they were say waiting in line for a movie ticket as they do on the road safe in their metal cages they would get pummeled! So the people who care and want to be nice pay the price (on many levels) for those who are selfish and drive a two ton escalade with a carefree attitude. Same old same old. Sorry maybe I'm in the mood for a cataclysm today. Anybody care to join me? Joe Mike Redler wrote: Hey Joe, You wrote: There's definitely something to be said for having a lot of mass in the vehicle in an accident though. Absolutely. There is much to be said both above and below the surface. By that I mean the more visible advantages to the driver of a massive SUV (at the expense of whoever he/she smashes into) and what motivates people to buy larger and larger vehicles in the name of safety. In a culture of fear, it has the flavor of an arms race. When one makes the argument that SUV's are safer by virtue of their mass, the only way the argument has any merit is in situations when the object they hit is movable (again, alluding to a cost to the driver and passengers of the smaller vehicle). Mike Joe Street wrote: There's definitely something to be said for having a lot of mass in the vehicle in an accident though. It's not that a small vehicle can't be made strong but the acceleration felt by the occupants of a light vehicle is much worse than in a really massive one. Joe Mike Redler wrote: That's true even if you don't consider the fact that SUV's in combination with the soccer mom's who think they are safer, make everyone less safe - including those driving Smarts and Volvos. Mike Weaver wrote: snip ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Pimento rears his ugly head again. :-(
Isn't Pimento what goes in a olive? AS a Martini drinker, I don't see a problem - now, if it is Pimenthal... Alan Petrillo wrote: http://www.alternet.org/envirohealth/38540/ AP ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] GM is obsolete - non-GM biotech now the first choice
Jason Katie, Follow the money. My understanding: The manipulation of genes (recombinant genetics, biotechnology, gene modification) offered great promise for medicine, agriculture, and industry. Insulin derived from slaughtered animals had undesirable side effects on the diabetics that used it. Modifying bacteria to make human insulin was, arguably, a benefit of gene modification. In the mid 70s, there was much concern about the ethics, and danger of manipulating genes between organisms ... even of different species. At that time research like this was done at Universities with review boards. I remember a debate aired on National Public Radio in which prominent scientists expressed concern: What if a genetically modified organism was to escape the laboratory? I don't recall either side suggesting anything other than containment using genetically modified microbes to produce medicines (ex. insulin human growth hormone) as we use them to make antibiotics .. to make products needed by industry. We use microbes to make alcohols and vinegar. How do you go from genetically modified microbes contained in laboratory conditions to genetically modified crops? Follow the money. How much human growth hormone can we peddle on the public? There are only so many children who might have a medical need for it. What about farm animals? Why not develop genetically modified bacteria to make bovine growth hormone, convince farmers that the cows given the hormone will produce more milk. That is, create a market for the product of a genetically modified organism. The milk produced by cows given growth hormone very likely should not be consumed due to health issues. Monsanto developed a very effective herbicide called Roundup and made billions of dollar from its sale. When its patent rights were going to expire and generic roundup would be available, Monsanto was going to take a hit on sales. Solution: Sell genetically modified seed that would grow into crops that were resistant to the herbicide. Why? You could then use the herbicide to control weeds even after the crops were growing, as well as before the seeds were planted. The catch: In order to buy these magic seeds you first had to sign a contract that you would use only Monsanto's Roundup. You were also forbidden from collecting seeds from one year to use the next must buy seed each year from Monsanto. (A marker gene was spliced onto DNA for herbicide resistance. UV light caused the plant to glow in the dark). Farmers that failed to buy seed from Monsanto in succeeding years using seed from previous years could be exposed simple by flying over their fields and shining UV on the crop. If the plants glowed contract violation/legal action against the farmer. Monsanto created a market for its genetically modified seed as well as protecting its profit from herbicide sales. The milk produced by cows taking growth hormone presents serious health concerns. Did we really need to increase milk production. I can buy a gallon of milk for $2.79 at my local market. The area I live in was once covered with small dairy farms. The glut of cheap milk has put most of them out of business; replaced by gentlemen farmers raising horses. The crops produced by Monsanto's magic seeds did not live up to their yield projections. Many farmers actually experienced decreased yield. The question I'm trying to raise is: Have we really seen any improvements arising out of genetically modified crops or has it been a sham? How about neutering crop plants so that individuals can no longer harvest their own seeds . must buy from seed manufacturers. Control food production? Herbicide resistance, plants that produce their own pesticide .. what impact will this have on native/wild species? The seeds of genetically modified plants is carried by birds, the pollen on a breeze. Our world is becoming increasingly contaminated w. DNA built in a lab and we don't have a clue as to the extent of damage it can cause. You state: i dont really understand why genetically engineered food became popular anyway As I understand substantial equivalence: The principle of substantial equivalence essentially states that if a product resulting from gene modification meets certain criteria it is then substantially equivalent to the original product. It is then illegal, in the US, to distinguish between the two. It may not be that genetically engineered food became popular, it's just that we have no way of knowing whether or not we are eating it. One of the really nice retirement jobs available to the people who head agencies responsible for monitoring food quality and safety is in the very industry they were supposed to be monitoring. Tom - Original Message - From: Jason Katie [EMAIL PROTECTED] To:
Re: [Biofuel] An Inconvenient Truth
Mike, I'd like to think not. It's a bit odd though that only one variety of blueberry in my garden had any berries at all. First time I can recall ... over 20 years of blueberries here. My apple tree flowered no apples forming. Maybe just too much rain ... there seem to be plenty of bees. Probably just an anomaly. Even considering it has me a bit uneasy. When people complain about all the rain we're getting I just mention that there's a lot of water in those ice caps. Most just look puzzled. Take along an umbrella, Tom Tom - Original Message - From: Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 9:13 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] An Inconvenient Truth I have wonder if the weather we are enjoying here in DC is a symptom of global warming. Keith Addison wrote: http://eatthestate.org/ Eat the State! Vol. 10, Issue #22 6 July 06 Preparing For an Inconvenient Future Al Gore's An Inconvenient Truth is a commendable movie, not least for its attempts to educate, rather than terrify, people about the facts and consequences of global warming. In particular, Al Gore specifically warned against justifying inaction first by denial (the platform of most American politicians), then by despair. Instead, he concluded the movie by listing actions that individuals and societies can take to reduce greenhouse gas emissions. To see specific suggestions, visit www.climatecrisis.net and read Colin Wright's thoughtful article in the last issue of Eat the State! (What would Gandhi drive? ETS! vol. 10, no. 21 http://snipurl.com/std1). Making valiant efforts to reduce greenhouse gas emissions immediately is not only a good idea, but a necessity. We must not confuse this imperative, however, with a solution to the problems of global warming, for at least three reasons. First, not all of the means within our technological grasp for reducing emissions are necessarily wisely employed toward that end, even if we grant that they will have the magnitude of effect that Gore credited them with--which is far from certain. Thus, in a movie graphic showing how carbon emissions could be reduced to 1970 levels, a considerable chunk of reduction was attributed to carbon sequestration, the viability and long-term consequences of which are hotly debated. We must be careful not to make matters worse in a desperate effort to make them better. Second, even if carbon dioxide emissions were immediately reduced to 1970 levels, the long time periods required for the Earth system to respond to that decrease will result in atmospheric carbon dioxide concentrations that nonetheless continue to increase for decades to come. Remarkably, although Gore correctly related higher average global temperatures to higher atmospheric carbon dioxide concentrations, not emissions, this response lag was not addressed in the movie. Third, various global feedback mechanisms affected by higher temperatures may result in further increases in temperature or greenhouse gas concentrations that are not a direct function of human activity. Although these are notoriously difficult to predict, possible examples include greater retention of solar heat due to changes in cloud and ice cover, or release of methane, a more potent though shorter-lived greenhouse gas than carbon dioxide, from melting permafrost. In short, controlling emissions is only part of the necessary response to the problems confronting us. A second part of that response is to prepare for the predictable consequences of global warming, starting immediately. The environmental movement must incorporate such preparations into its agenda, not in place of but alongside attempts to attenuate climate change. Limiting our response only to attenuation is naive, if not palliative and fatalistic. What is it that we should be preparing for? The melting of ice sheets and glaciers is expected to result in a rise in sea level that will render uninhabitable low-lying islands and coastal regions, thus creating a refugee crisis on a scale perhaps never before seen in human history. We must begin planning for these refugees now. It is anticipated that greater average surface temperatures will fuel more violent storms, including tornadoes and hurricanes. Having seen the chaos and tragedy resulting from Katrina, as well as the ineptitude, profiteering, and racism of the American government's reaction, surely we should begin preparing a better response now. Overall changes in regional weather patterns, including in some places an increasing frequency of droughts, will dramatically affect the availability and distribution of water and agriculture. Only advance planning can mitigate the tragedies these changes imply. And of course, unless we begin preparing now, all of these anticipated effects will likely lead to major conflicts among
Re: [Biofuel] Pimento rears his ugly head again. :-(
Does anyone know if pimentos can be bought in the UK? I have been looking for them for over a year now Cheers Bob - Original Message - From: Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2006 12:40 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Pimento rears his ugly head again. :-( Isn't Pimento what goes in a olive? AS a Martini drinker, I don't see a problem - now, if it is Pimenthal... Alan Petrillo wrote: http://www.alternet.org/envirohealth/38540/ AP ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Gov Auction for pressure filter
Hi Bud, Do you have any details about constructing your centrifuge available online? Thanks, one of many Dougs here. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Bud Lois PittsSent: July 8, 2006 12:49 AMTo: biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSubject: Re: [Biofuel] Gov Auction for pressure filter Aaron, My name is Bud and I'm new to this forum so I hope you folks can give a little slack if I get out of line. I have been using WVO for some time and had a lot of problems getting all of the junk out, but water was the biggest trouble. I tried filters, heating and settling and re-filtering with very little sucess. One day I was talking to a friend and he kept saying "centrifuge". So I did some reseach, asked a lot of question, some real deep thinking and desided to build a small centrifuge and thenall of the problem were gone. Now it's just a one function process. All that is needed is to use a fine kitchen screen as I pourthe oilinto the machine, warm it up a little and the centrifuge does the rest. It comes out almost as clean as new. I have been using my centrifuged oil for more than 10,000 miles and have yet to change my fuel filter. Therefore I don't think filtering is not the answer. Thanks for listening Bud - Original Message - From: Aaron Wagner To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, July 07, 2006 1:13 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Gov Auction for pressure filter This may be good for cleaning used fryer oil. http://cgi.govliquidation.com/auction/view?id=897708 ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Pimentos... was ... Pimento rears his ugly head again. :-(
from www.wikipedia.org: The *Pimento* or *Cherry Pepper* is a variety of large, red, heart-shaped chile pepper http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chile_pepper (/Capsicum annuum http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capsicum_annuum/) that measures 3 to 4 inches long and 2 to 3 inches wide (medium, elongate). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pimento maybe looking for the same thing by another name will have more fruitful results... Hope this helps! doug Bob Carr wrote: Does anyone know if pimentos can be bought in the UK? I have been looking for them for over a year now Cheers Bob - Original Message - From: Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2006 12:40 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Pimento rears his ugly head again. :-( Isn't Pimento what goes in a olive? AS a Martini drinker, I don't see a problem - now, if it is Pimenthal... Alan Petrillo wrote: http://www.alternet.org/envirohealth/38540/ AP ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Contentment comes not from having more, but from wanting less. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * This email is constructed entirely with OpenSource Software. No Microsoft databits have been incorporated herein. All existing databits have been constructed from recycled databits. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] The truth about where to stand on global warming
I wrote this, and it probably sounds self righteous and clumsy, perhaps some on the list could help me fix it up a bit. I plan on using it as a letter to the editor any help out there? A true Christian by faith (not by religion) must make choices based on the commandments of Christ first, man second. It is fortunate for Americans that their laws do not conflict with the commandments of Christ. How does choosing to serve Christ tie in with global warming? Perhaps to see ahead we should look to the past with this quote in mind “and the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.” Jesus Christ - Matthew 22:39. Less than 100 years ago a tyrant ruled in Germany and he persecuted a people known as Jews. Now it is arguable to say that this was prophetic and would happen with or without intervention from men. From this, one may try to justify inaction as Gods will and watch this happen. Men of all creeds have always been good at justification of evil deeds as a way to seek safety from any dangers or concerns that would go along with intervention of such. But what is remarkable is that some people were saved because some people could not justify inaction within themselves and they made a choice against the tide. The time has come for Christians of faith to make a choice. Now consider this, within the next 10 years hundreds of thousands of people face death as a direct result of global warming. How we choose TODAY will have a direct impact on the number of graves needed in the next decade –our neighbor’s graves. No, we won’t smell the stench of death and many will tell you that I have been out in the sun to long and then the good old justifications start…. How remarkably similar to the responses of Pharisees . As for me I will stand by my neighbor as best I can, as this is where Christ said to stand. It makes no difference if global warming is part of prophecy that is to come no matter what. Judas was part of prophecy as well and Jesus stood by him to the very end as friend allowing him every chance to repent. In other words they may dig graves in the next ten years but it will not be a result of my response to global warming. Jim ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Pimento rears his ugly head again. :-(
They come in the US in large pieces in jars. Try Sainsbury's... Bob Carr wrote: Does anyone know if pimentos can be bought in the UK? I have been looking for them for over a year now Cheers Bob - Original Message - From: Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2006 12:40 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Pimento rears his ugly head again. :-( Isn't Pimento what goes in a olive? AS a Martini drinker, I don't see a problem - now, if it is Pimenthal... Alan Petrillo wrote: http://www.alternet.org/envirohealth/38540/ AP ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] The truth about where to stand on global warming
If you're going to look at the Bible for prophecy, one tale often overlooked by the Revelation doom sayers is the story of Jonah, who, after prophesying the destruction of Nineveh, was disappointed when the people changed their ways and hearts, and the city was spared. I think the story is there to remind us that prophecy is an if-then conditional prediction. As in, if we don't change our self-centered abuse of the Earth's resources, we'll all be doomed to a poisoned environment Yeah, it's an uphill battle convincing people that they should use their resources sparingly, save some for generations to come, etc... what with the MSM telling us that we should live life to the fullest, waste what we have, and buy new stuff to replace the nearly new stuff we bought yesterday. So the likelihood of the poisoned planet scenario is substantial, but the possibility of a new, more conservational (trying not to use the word conservative because its definition has changed.) mindset, leading to a better outcome is still there. doug JJJN wrote: I wrote this, and it probably sounds self righteous and clumsy, perhaps some on the list could help me fix it up a bit. I plan on using it as a letter to the editor any help out there? A true Christian by faith (not by religion) must make choices based on the commandments of Christ first, man second. It is fortunate for Americans that their laws do not conflict with the commandments of Christ. How does choosing to serve Christ tie in with global warming? Perhaps to see ahead we should look to the past with this quote in mind “and the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.” Jesus Christ - Matthew 22:39. Less than 100 years ago a tyrant ruled in Germany and he persecuted a people known as Jews. Now it is arguable to say that this was prophetic and would happen with or without intervention from men. From this, one may try to justify inaction as Gods will and watch this happen. Men of all creeds have always been good at justification of evil deeds as a way to seek safety from any dangers or concerns that would go along with intervention of such. But what is remarkable is that some people were saved because some people could not justify inaction within themselves and they made a choice against the tide. The time has come for Christians of faith to make a choice. Now consider this, within the next 10 years hundreds of thousands of people face death as a direct result of global warming. How we choose TODAY will have a direct impact on the number of graves needed in the next decade –our neighbor’s graves. No, we won’t smell the stench of death and many will tell you that I have been out in the sun to long and then the good old justifications start…. How remarkably similar to the responses of Pharisees . As for me I will stand by my neighbor as best I can, as this is where Christ said to stand. It makes no difference if global warming is part of prophecy that is to come no matter what. Judas was part of prophecy as well and Jesus stood by him to the very end as friend allowing him every chance to repent. In other words they may dig graves in the next ten years but it will not be a result of my response to global warming. Jim ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Contentment comes not from having more, but from wanting less. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * This email is constructed entirely with OpenSource Software. No Microsoft databits have been incorporated herein. All existing databits have been constructed from recycled databits. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Gov Auction for pressure filter
yes, i am also interested. we discussed centrifuge filtering a while ago, and it seemed rather expensive, and required special equipment. is there a simpler, safe method to build a centrifuge? JasonICQ#: 154998177MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Doug Turner To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2006 2:09 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Gov Auction for pressure filter Hi Bud, Do you have any details about constructing your centrifuge available online? Thanks, one of many Dougs here. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Bud Lois PittsSent: July 8, 2006 12:49 AMTo: biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSubject: Re: [Biofuel] Gov Auction for pressure filter Aaron, My name is Bud and I'm new to this forum so I hope you folks can give a little slack if I get out of line. I have been using WVO for some time and had a lot of problems getting all of the junk out, but water was the biggest trouble. I tried filters, heating and settling and re-filtering with very little sucess. One day I was talking to a friend and he kept saying "centrifuge". So I did some reseach, asked a lot of question, some real deep thinking and desided to build a small centrifuge and thenall of the problem were gone. Now it's just a one function process. All that is needed is to use a fine kitchen screen as I pourthe oilinto the machine, warm it up a little and the centrifuge does the rest. It comes out almost as clean as new. I have been using my centrifuged oil for more than 10,000 miles and have yet to change my fuel filter. Therefore I don't think filtering is not the answer. Thanks for listening Bud - Original Message - From: Aaron Wagner To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, July 07, 2006 1:13 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Gov Auction for pressure filter This may be good for cleaning used fryer oil. http://cgi.govliquidation.com/auction/view?id=897708 ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.9/382 - Release Date: 7/4/2006 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.9/382 - Release Date: 7/4/2006 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Gov Auction for pressure filter
Hello Bud, Aaron Aaron, My name is Bud and I'm new to this forum so I hope you folks can give a little slack if I get out of line. I have been using WVO for some time and had a lot of problems getting all of the junk out, but water was the biggest trouble. I tried filters, heating and settling and re-filtering with very little sucess. One day I was talking to a friend and he kept saying centrifuge. So I did some reseach, asked a lot of question, some real deep thinking and desided to build a small centrifuge and then all of the problem were gone. Now it's just a one function process. All that is needed is to use a fine kitchen screen as I pour the oil into the machine, warm it up a little and the centrifuge does the rest. It comes out almost as clean as new. I have been using my centrifuged oil for more than 10,000 miles and have yet to change my fuel filter. Therefore I don't think filtering is not the answer. No, but neither is a centrifuge, much. IMHO they're both answers to the wrong question, or at least to an incomplete question, based on the idea that suspended particles and water are the only aspects of fuel quality. Most of the Straight Vegetable Oil world seems to have a strange idea of fuel quality control - filter, filter, filter. Same with a centrifuge - basically, filter it better. Often they filter it down to 0.5 microns, though the specified final fuel filter might be only 10 microns. But what about the contaminants that filtering won't remove? For instance what's the acid value of your oil, Bud? Before and after centrifuging? A lot of SVO people go for SVO instead of biodiesel in the first place because they don't want to learn how to titrate the oil (and to avoid all those poisonous chemicals). But if you're going to have an idea of the quality of the waste oil you're using as fuel you have to titrate it anyway. The only existing quality standard for SVO is the German Quality Standard for Rapeseed Oil as a Fuel (RK-Qualitätsstandard), which specifies an Acid Value of 2.0 mg KOH/g. This is the Free Fatty Acid (FFA) content. Elsbett Technologie says it can affect the lube oil, the Fuel Injection Equipment Manufacturers (Delphi, Stanadyne, Denso, Bosch) say FFA corrodes fuel injection equipment and leaves sediments on parts. An examination of the defective sections found substantial surface erosion of the hardened steel high pressure parts, which are not acid-proof. The problem was traced to a supply of soy oil which was not the usual food-grade oil and had a high acid content. -- BioCar (German page): http://biocar.de/info/warnung1.htm FFA isn't removed by filtering, I doubt it will all be removed by centrifuge. The way to tell how much FFA your oil contains is to titrate it. New, unused SVO is the best oil to use. See German PPO fuel standard: Quality Standard for Rapeseed Oil as a Fuel. Good quality WVO can be used (though see kit supplier's warranty). Oil quality of WVO is best checked with the titration test used in making biodiesel to determine the Free Fatty Acid (FFA) content of the oil. The lower the titration result the better the quality. It's often said that oil titrating at more than 3.5 ml 0.1% NaOH solution should be processed into biodiesel rather than used with a Straight Vegetable Oil system. More than that and the oil will be too acidic and will probably contain water, both of which can damage the fuel system, and the water might not be easy to boil off. We think a limit of 3.5 ml of NaOH solution is too high, we set it lower, at 2.0 ml at the most. After all, there are standards for diesel fuel and for biodiesel fuel, as there should be, but not for SVO -- except for the German PPO fuel standard, which excludes WVO altogether. Use high-quality oil. With experience you can tell quite a lot about the quality of oil from its appearance, colour and smell, but you still can't be sure. Someone we know who fitted an Elsbett single-tank SVO system to his VW Golf was careful to use oil only from the works cafetaria at his job, where the manager had assured him it was pure, high-quality vegetable oil. We weren't so sure so we titrated it for him. He was shocked by the result -- it titrated at 8.5 ml of NaOH solution, bad oil! Much too acidic to use for SVO and it had a high water content, difficult to remove. Don't take chances, learn to titrate your oil, and if it's too acidic find better-quality oil. -- From: Fuel quality http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_svo.html#gnl -- From: Fuel quality http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_svo.html#gnl Titration: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make2.html#titrate German Quality Standard for Rapeseed Oil as a Fuel: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_svostd.html Fuel Injection Equipment (FIE) Manufacturers report: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_FIEM.html Waste oil that titrates at 2.0 ml NaOH solution or less will contain little or no water
Re: [Biofuel] Pimento rears his ugly head again. :-(
Pimentel gets around. I heard an interview with him from a surprising source, WBAI in NYC. He was given lots of time to tell his audience everything he believes (or is paid to believe) and the interviewer, not knowing the credibility of the source, had no challenging questions. Here is an email I sent to the radio station in response to the interview (posted earlier on the biofuels group): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg62060.html - Redler P.S. I thought his name was spelled Pimpin'-oil Mike Weaver wrote: Isn't Pimento what goes in a olive? AS a Martini drinker, I don't see a problem - now, if it is Pimenthal... Alan Petrillo wrote: http://www.alternet.org/envirohealth/38540/ AP ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Pimento rears his ugly head again. :-(
Pimpernel? Mike Redler wrote: Pimentel gets around. I heard an interview with him from a surprising source, WBAI in NYC. He was given lots of time to tell his audience everything he believes (or is paid to believe) and the interviewer, not knowing the credibility of the source, had no challenging questions. Here is an email I sent to the radio station in response to the interview (posted earlier on the biofuels group): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg62060.html - Redler P.S. I thought his name was spelled Pimpin'-oil Mike Weaver wrote: Isn't Pimento what goes in a olive? AS a Martini drinker, I don't see a problem - now, if it is Pimenthal... Alan Petrillo wrote: http://www.alternet.org/envirohealth/38540/ AP ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Freedom to Fascism, new movie, the true view of the Federal Reserve Banking System
Watch the movietrailers and the interview with the film maker Aaron Russo. This is a must see movie that is more to the point than Fahrenheit 9/11. It shows who is really running the country and it ain't George or Dick. Peace, D. Mindock http://www.freedomtofascism.com/index.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Gov Auction for pressure filter
Doug and Jason. Yes and yes. There is a safe and easy way to build a small centrifuge cause I did it, and I ain't no rocket scientist, but however, I am a retired machinist. I operated my own machine shop for many years so I guess that would give me a leg up. That is one "yes". The other yes is, not quite ready yet. We have been badly beat about the head and ears for some directions on building a small centrifuge so we figured to do something about it,but it will be a month or so before things are ready to mail out. The centrifuge that I have is capable of cleaning about gallon per hour, depending on how warm the oil is, and the oil is very clean with one pass through the machine. If however you want it cleaner, you can run it a second time and it will be clean enough to put back on the store shelf. I don't think I will have anything to send out on line as I'm an old feller and not to swift on these computers, but we plan to sell the manual with pictures by snail mail. I don't know how soon I can get the copywrights and printing done though. I'll let you know as soon as it is available. Thanks Bud - Original Message - From: Jason Katie To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2006 4:38 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Gov Auction for pressure filter yes, i am also interested. we discussed centrifuge filtering a while ago, and it seemed rather expensive, and required special equipment. is there a simpler, safe method to build a centrifuge? JasonICQ#: 154998177MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Doug Turner To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2006 2:09 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Gov Auction for pressure filter Hi Bud, Do you have any details about constructing your centrifuge available online? Thanks, one of many Dougs here. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Bud Lois PittsSent: July 8, 2006 12:49 AMTo: biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSubject: Re: [Biofuel] Gov Auction for pressure filter Aaron, My name is Bud and I'm new to this forum so I hope you folks can give a little slack if I get out of line. I have been using WVO for some time and had a lot of problems getting all of the junk out, but water was the biggest trouble. I tried filters, heating and settling and re-filtering with very little sucess. One day I was talking to a friend and he kept saying "centrifuge". So I did some reseach, asked a lot of question, some real deep thinking and desided to build a small centrifuge and thenall of the problem were gone. Now it's just a one function process. All that is needed is to use a fine kitchen screen as I pourthe oilinto the machine, warm it up a little and the centrifuge does the rest. It comes out almost as clean as new. I have been using my centrifuged oil for more than 10,000 miles and have yet to change my fuel filter. Therefore I don't think filtering is not the answer. Thanks for listening Bud - Original Message - From: Aaron Wagner To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, July 07, 2006 1:13 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Gov Auction for pressure filter This may be good for cleaning used fryer oil. http://cgi.govliquidation.com/auction/view?id=897708 ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.9/382 - Release Date: 7/4/2006 No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.9/382 - Release Date: 7/4/2006 ___Biofuel mailing
Re: [Biofuel] The truth about where to stand on global warming
Yes, thats a great point Doug. So many religious people actually say its in Gods hands don't worry, and they are correct that its in his hands, but what they don't see is what is the role he gives them. Just as you say if we turn to the good, what mercy may be given as a result? I want to make it clear that to serve him means to take responsibility to help our neighbor, not take on some of the mental I'm saved what else matters attitude it seems so many people have. It was the RR that elected GWB, now that they have seen the folly in that and perhaps the great evil that has perpetuated as a result. If they can start to turn all that energy into something that will save lives instead of taking we may get some where. (Bleak at best but better than no chance at all) Thanks for the great comment, Jim doug swanson wrote: If you're going to look at the Bible for prophecy, one tale often overlooked by the Revelation doom sayers is the story of Jonah, who, after prophesying the destruction of Nineveh, was disappointed when the people changed their ways and hearts, and the city was spared. I think the story is there to remind us that prophecy is an if-then conditional prediction. As in, if we don't change our self-centered abuse of the Earth's resources, we'll all be doomed to a poisoned environment Yeah, it's an uphill battle convincing people that they should use their resources sparingly, save some for generations to come, etc... what with the MSM telling us that we should live life to the fullest, waste what we have, and buy new stuff to replace the nearly new stuff we bought yesterday. So the likelihood of the poisoned planet scenario is substantial, but the possibility of a new, more conservational (trying not to use the word conservative because its definition has changed.) mindset, leading to a better outcome is still there. doug JJJN wrote: I wrote this, and it probably sounds self righteous and clumsy, perhaps some on the list could help me fix it up a bit. I plan on using it as a letter to the editor any help out there? A true Christian by faith (not by religion) must make choices based on the commandments of Christ first, man second. It is fortunate for Americans that their laws do not conflict with the commandments of Christ. How does choosing to serve Christ tie in with global warming? Perhaps to see ahead we should look to the past with this quote in mind “and the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.” Jesus Christ - Matthew 22:39. Less than 100 years ago a tyrant ruled in Germany and he persecuted a people known as Jews. Now it is arguable to say that this was prophetic and would happen with or without intervention from men. From this, one may try to justify inaction as Gods will and watch this happen. Men of all creeds have always been good at justification of evil deeds as a way to seek safety from any dangers or concerns that would go along with intervention of such. But what is remarkable is that some people were saved because some people could not justify inaction within themselves and they made a choice against the tide. The time has come for Christians of faith to make a choice. Now consider this, within the next 10 years hundreds of thousands of people face death as a direct result of global warming. How we choose TODAY will have a direct impact on the number of graves needed in the next decade –our neighbor’s graves. No, we won’t smell the stench of death and many will tell you that I have been out in the sun to long and then the good old justifications start…. How remarkably similar to the responses of Pharisees . As for me I will stand by my neighbor as best I can, as this is where Christ said to stand. It makes no difference if global warming is part of prophecy that is to come no matter what. Judas was part of prophecy as well and Jesus stood by him to the very end as friend allowing him every chance to repent. In other words they may dig graves in the next ten years but it will not be a result of my response to global warming. Jim ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Freedom to Fascism, new movie, the true view of the Federal Reserve Banking System
the CMN interview is excellent Kirk"D. Mindock" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Watch the movietrailers and the interview with the film maker Aaron Russo. This is a must see movie that is more to the point than Fahrenheit 9/11. It shows who is really running the country and it ain't George or Dick. Peace, D. Mindockhttp://www.freedomtofascism.com/index.html___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Why keep checking for Mail? The all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta shows you when there are new messages.___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Pimento rears his ugly head again. :-(
No. It's not a Pimento clone. Least ways I don't think so. This is a syndicated piece that ran in newspapers all over the US last week. Some valid points. Some gross omissions. She certainly failed to mention or perhaps even consider algae, cellulosic ethanol and thermal depolymerization. And she certainly didn't take any bold steps relative to efficiency measures (sorely lacking in a nation labeled The United States of Avarice by the rest of the populated world). Granted, three of the four are still a decade out from being dominant forces in the liquid fuels infrastructure. (Funny thing about birth. Ya gotta' crawl ((or wobble a little)) before you can walk.). But then again, if the author is going to project a dismal future for biofuels from traditional ag, it would be mighty fair and balanced of her to project the entire future, inclusive of untraditional ag, not just select bits and pieces that fit a thesis statement in a lopsided editorial piece. Light weight oil from biomass - thermal depolymerization. Ethanol from cellulosic biomas. Biodiesel from algae - let's not forget the incumbent remediation harvests from ag runoff or carbon recycling from algae. Perhaps she'd like to see the switch to biofuels just stop dead in it's track? Just lay down the plowshares and let PetroChem, Cheney, et al pave the planet? How about if someone told her that you can get to the middle more quickly if you burn the candle from both ends. How about if we resolve the problem from all angles rather than picking and choosing? How about if we just take for granted that she's a grad student, probably young and an idealist without a great deal of real world experience? Not to diminish her ideas, but how about if the article is just taken with a grain of salt, pepper it with the vast array of endeavours she's overlooked, and we all keep moving ever onward? Todd Swearingen Alan Petrillo wrote: http://www.alternet.org/envirohealth/38540/ AP ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Gov Auction for pressure filter
what if you dont use it in the final separation of glyc/ffa? wouldnt it be faster to spin out the chunks and as much water as possible after collection and before storage of WVO? it wouldnt be a cleaning per se, just another step of preparation. maybe not any real use for a 20 gallon batch setup but if you were collecting large amounts of WVO for a coop and needed to maximize storage it would be handy. Jason ICQ#: 154998177 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2006 7:33 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Gov Auction for pressure filter Hello Bud, Aaron Aaron, My name is Bud and I'm new to this forum so I hope you folks can give a little slack if I get out of line. I have been using WVO for some time and had a lot of problems getting all of the junk out, but water was the biggest trouble. I tried filters, heating and settling and re-filtering with very little sucess. One day I was talking to a friend and he kept saying centrifuge. So I did some reseach, asked a lot of question, some real deep thinking and desided to build a small centrifuge and then all of the problem were gone. Now it's just a one function process. All that is needed is to use a fine kitchen screen as I pour the oil into the machine, warm it up a little and the centrifuge does the rest. It comes out almost as clean as new. I have been using my centrifuged oil for more than 10,000 miles and have yet to change my fuel filter. Therefore I don't think filtering is not the answer. No, but neither is a centrifuge, much. IMHO they're both answers to the wrong question, or at least to an incomplete question, based on the idea that suspended particles and water are the only aspects of fuel quality. Most of the Straight Vegetable Oil world seems to have a strange idea of fuel quality control - filter, filter, filter. Same with a centrifuge - basically, filter it better. Often they filter it down to 0.5 microns, though the specified final fuel filter might be only 10 microns. But what about the contaminants that filtering won't remove? For instance what's the acid value of your oil, Bud? Before and after centrifuging? A lot of SVO people go for SVO instead of biodiesel in the first place because they don't want to learn how to titrate the oil (and to avoid all those poisonous chemicals). But if you're going to have an idea of the quality of the waste oil you're using as fuel you have to titrate it anyway. The only existing quality standard for SVO is the German Quality Standard for Rapeseed Oil as a Fuel (RK-Qualitätsstandard), which specifies an Acid Value of 2.0 mg KOH/g. This is the Free Fatty Acid (FFA) content. Elsbett Technologie says it can affect the lube oil, the Fuel Injection Equipment Manufacturers (Delphi, Stanadyne, Denso, Bosch) say FFA corrodes fuel injection equipment and leaves sediments on parts. An examination of the defective sections found substantial surface erosion of the hardened steel high pressure parts, which are not acid-proof. The problem was traced to a supply of soy oil which was not the usual food-grade oil and had a high acid content. -- BioCar (German page): http://biocar.de/info/warnung1.htm FFA isn't removed by filtering, I doubt it will all be removed by centrifuge. The way to tell how much FFA your oil contains is to titrate it. New, unused SVO is the best oil to use. See German PPO fuel standard: Quality Standard for Rapeseed Oil as a Fuel. Good quality WVO can be used (though see kit supplier's warranty). Oil quality of WVO is best checked with the titration test used in making biodiesel to determine the Free Fatty Acid (FFA) content of the oil. The lower the titration result the better the quality. It's often said that oil titrating at more than 3.5 ml 0.1% NaOH solution should be processed into biodiesel rather than used with a Straight Vegetable Oil system. More than that and the oil will be too acidic and will probably contain water, both of which can damage the fuel system, and the water might not be easy to boil off. We think a limit of 3.5 ml of NaOH solution is too high, we set it lower, at 2.0 ml at the most. After all, there are standards for diesel fuel and for biodiesel fuel, as there should be, but not for SVO -- except for the German PPO fuel standard, which excludes WVO altogether. Use high-quality oil. With experience you can tell quite a lot about the quality of oil from its appearance, colour and smell, but you still can't be sure. Someone we know who fitted an Elsbett single-tank SVO system to his VW Golf was careful to use oil only from the works cafetaria at his job, where the manager had assured him it was pure, high-quality vegetable oil. We weren't so sure so we titrated it for him. He was shocked by the result -- it titrated at 8.5 ml of NaOH solution, bad oil! Much too acidic to use for SVO and it had a high water content, difficult to remove. Don't
Re: [Biofuel] Gov Auction for pressure filter
what if you dont use it in the final separation of glyc/ffa? wouldnt it be faster to spin out the chunks and as much water as possible after collection and before storage of WVO? it wouldnt be a cleaning per se, just another step of preparation. maybe not any real use for a 20 gallon batch setup but if you were collecting large amounts of WVO for a coop and needed to maximize storage it would be handy. What for Jason? Superfluous. Use good oil and settle it. Best Keith Jason ICQ#: 154998177 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2006 7:33 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Gov Auction for pressure filter Hello Bud, Aaron Aaron, My name is Bud and I'm new to this forum so I hope you folks can give a little slack if I get out of line. I have been using WVO for some time and had a lot of problems getting all of the junk out, but water was the biggest trouble. I tried filters, heating and settling and re-filtering with very little sucess. One day I was talking to a friend and he kept saying centrifuge. So I did some reseach, asked a lot of question, some real deep thinking and desided to build a small centrifuge and then all of the problem were gone. Now it's just a one function process. All that is needed is to use a fine kitchen screen as I pour the oil into the machine, warm it up a little and the centrifuge does the rest. It comes out almost as clean as new. I have been using my centrifuged oil for more than 10,000 miles and have yet to change my fuel filter. Therefore I don't think filtering is not the answer. No, but neither is a centrifuge, much. IMHO they're both answers to the wrong question, or at least to an incomplete question, based on the idea that suspended particles and water are the only aspects of fuel quality. Most of the Straight Vegetable Oil world seems to have a strange idea of fuel quality control - filter, filter, filter. Same with a centrifuge - basically, filter it better. Often they filter it down to 0.5 microns, though the specified final fuel filter might be only 10 microns. But what about the contaminants that filtering won't remove? For instance what's the acid value of your oil, Bud? Before and after centrifuging? A lot of SVO people go for SVO instead of biodiesel in the first place because they don't want to learn how to titrate the oil (and to avoid all those poisonous chemicals). But if you're going to have an idea of the quality of the waste oil you're using as fuel you have to titrate it anyway. The only existing quality standard for SVO is the German Quality Standard for Rapeseed Oil as a Fuel (RK-Qualitätsstandard), which specifies an Acid Value of 2.0 mg KOH/g. This is the Free Fatty Acid (FFA) content. Elsbett Technologie says it can affect the lube oil, the Fuel Injection Equipment Manufacturers (Delphi, Stanadyne, Denso, Bosch) say FFA corrodes fuel injection equipment and leaves sediments on parts. An examination of the defective sections found substantial surface erosion of the hardened steel high pressure parts, which are not acid-proof. The problem was traced to a supply of soy oil which was not the usual food-grade oil and had a high acid content. -- BioCar (German page): http://biocar.de/info/warnung1.htm FFA isn't removed by filtering, I doubt it will all be removed by centrifuge. The way to tell how much FFA your oil contains is to titrate it. New, unused SVO is the best oil to use. See German PPO fuel standard: Quality Standard for Rapeseed Oil as a Fuel. Good quality WVO can be used (though see kit supplier's warranty). Oil quality of WVO is best checked with the titration test used in making biodiesel to determine the Free Fatty Acid (FFA) content of the oil. The lower the titration result the better the quality. It's often said that oil titrating at more than 3.5 ml 0.1% NaOH solution should be processed into biodiesel rather than used with a Straight Vegetable Oil system. More than that and the oil will be too acidic and will probably contain water, both of which can damage the fuel system, and the water might not be easy to boil off. We think a limit of 3.5 ml of NaOH solution is too high, we set it lower, at 2.0 ml at the most. After all, there are standards for diesel fuel and for biodiesel fuel, as there should be, but not for SVO -- except for the German PPO fuel standard, which excludes WVO altogether. Use high-quality oil. With experience you can tell quite a lot about the quality of oil from its appearance, colour and smell, but you still can't be sure. Someone we know who fitted an Elsbett single-tank SVO system to his VW Golf was careful to use oil only from the works cafetaria at his job, where the manager had assured him it was pure, high-quality vegetable oil. We weren't so sure so we titrated it for him. He was shocked by the result -- it titrated at 8.5 ml of NaOH
Re: [Biofuel] shedding fat for oil
I agree with Kirk -a constructive thought. But in the interest of correctness Iwill point out two errors that folks need to be aware of: (1) The statement, "every 100 lbs in your vehicle increases your mpg by 2%...", should be, "...decreases mpg by 2%...". (2) bearing in mind that we are equating 100 lbs with a 2% change in mpg, the calculation in bullet #1 errs by ten-fold owing to an errant decimal point - in decimal notation 2% = 0.02, but that, remember, is the factor for 100 lbs; Jon Benson is now talking about the savings related to 1/10 that amount, or 10 lbs, hence the arithmetic should be 0.2% (=0.002, not 0.02). This reduces his reported savings by ten-fold. Although this ten-fold reduction in his potential savings is obviously substantial,I hasten to point outthat this reduced saving is still an impressive $798 million/yr. So I applaud Jon Benson for an innovative idea and I thank Kirk for bringing it to our attention. Now, for those among us who have the good fortune of weighing in at about where they graduated high school many years ago, there are two old tried and true, but now neglected,methods (by no means original with me) of significantly increasing our mpg - (1) limit top speed to 55 mph, and (2) keep it steady by using cruise control. My results in a 1989 Toyota Camry traveling several thousand miles over the past twelve months have shown an increase in mpg of 32 to 36 using these simple rules. This is a little over 10%. How does this stack up in the fuel savings equation? Use Jon's oil and gasoline usage facts and do the math yourself. It's impressive. These techniques are obviously suitable only for low traffic density freeway conditions. Safety should never be compromised. You can be sure that I don't do thisin three full lanes of fast-flowing traffic and a string of 75 mph 18-wheelers on my rear bumper. City traffic won't cut it either. On average I use these techniques for about half my mileage. Of course this reduces my overall mpg saving from 10% to about 5%. Apocryphal? Yes. Very real dollars in my pocket? Absolutely. Try it yourself and report your results here. Best wishes to allfor improved fuel efficiency, Oregon Bob - Original Message - From: Kirk McLoren To: biofuel Sent: Friday, July 07, 2006 6:00 PM Subject: [Biofuel] shedding fat for oil definitely a constructive thought Kirk http://www.fitover40.com/newsletter/ I really do not care what your personal political agenda may be. It is none of my business, and this is not a political forum. However, oil and war is not much of a political bombshell. They go together like bread and butter. The current situation in Iraq, in the view of many, is another war for oil. Others feel differently. You are entitled to your own view, be it left, right, or merely confused as to where left and right ran off to. The media can do that to a person. The fact remains that we have seen war for oil, money, land, you name it. Today I want to pick on oil. Even if you feel that our place in Iraq has nothing whatsoever in the slightest to do with oil, you would probably admit that saving our natural resources is a decent idea. Oil is not self-replenishing, now is it? Are there any dinosaurs left that I do not know about? Good. I was just making sure Jurassic Park was indeed a work of fiction. I realize there are some who believe that oil is not a fossil fuel. However, I am running with the majority of geologists on this one, as well as on the assumption that if the minority are wrong, we are history. It seems a safe place to play. What if I told you that we could reduce our imported crude oil by twenty percent per year without so much as a political sanction or the ride your bike more often approach? You have heard the phrase, shedding blood for oil, right? Well, here is my new agenda: shedding fat for oil. I am not suggesting body fat as an alternative fuel source, although it would give the liposuction clinics and interesting selling spin. I am referring to the simple matter of weight. Not the weight of our cars, although a billion Hummers is probably not a wise idea, but rather the weight of those driving them. Those riding in the front and back seat. The people who pay the loans and sell the Hummers. I am talking about you, and that guy I see in the mirror every morning. And, I am talking about a measly ten pounds. If every American who needed to drop ten pounds of useless fat did so, we would completely cease the need for importing oil from the Middle East. I am not joking. This is not a rant on the Middle East, but rather a step in the right direction to a more environmentally-friendly world. Is that claim rather hard to believe? Good! Get your calculators out and prepare for a fun lesson in mathematical accountability. For all of you who
