[Biofuel] Nova Scotia rate hearing
Nova Scotia town's fate hangs on Stora electricity rate hearingCBC News - Canada HALIFAX (CP) - As complex hearings begin Tuesday into electricity rate formulas for two Nova Scotia pulp mills, the residents of a Cape Breton mill town will be watching - and worrying. Finnish papermaker Stora Enso has made it clear the stakes before the Nova Scotia Utility and Review Board are high: cut the power rates significantly or its mill in Port Hawkesbury stays closed. That's a disaster scenario for northeastern Nova Scotia, says town mayor Billy Joe MacLean. "Stora is the foundation of our community, and for 100 miles around the town," he said in an interview. "If you lose Stora you would lose the economic foundations of eastern Nova Scotia." After two years of double-digit price hikes, the pulp company wants a new pricing formula that would slice at least 10 per cent from its estimated annual $97 million power bill. The Bowater Mersey mill, based in Liverpool, is part of Stora's submission and is also seeking reduced power rates. But there's firm opposition to granting the mills what they want, with Nova Scotia Power arguing it would mean a massive bill is shifted over to its other customers. The publicly traded utility (TSX:EMA) has produced estimates that other customers would have to share $200 million in increased costs over four or five years if Stora's formula is accepted. Al Dominie, a veteran energy consultant, says that could "result in an increase in rates of about five per cent to all of the other ratepayers in Nova Scotia if distributed evenly." MacLean admits such a scenario would spell "political suicide" for a Conservative minority government falling in the polls. Instead, he predicts there will have to be a compromise between the private utility and the mills. "Behind the scenes there's discussions as we speak, hoping to resolve this through agreement," he claimed. However, business analysts say a compromise may be difficult for Stora and Bowater, as their eastern Canadian mills continue to operate at a loss. Stephen Atkinson, a Montreal-based industry analyst with BMO Nesbitt Burns, said even if there is a compromise, the Stora mill's future is uncertain. "You can make the product more cheaply in Europe. Why lose money? I would call this situation as being on the edge." Still, Stora may be influenced by the willingness of the Communications, Energy and Paperworkers union to accept a contract that cut wages by up to 10 per cent after a painful six-month lockout. And the province has also offered subsidies of $10 million a year for six years, and $5 million in the seventh. In exchange, the province is no longer required to provide Crown land for logging. These kinds of issues aren't likely to be discussed a great deal during the board's hearing. Instead, lawyers will focus on often impenetrable arguments over competing formulas for setting the price of the large mills. Nova Scotia Power's method would give the pulp mills credits by having their power interrupted during peak consumption periods. That system allows the firms to avoid using costly generation during periods of high electricity use. Stora hasn't said if that would result in any direct price cut. Meanwhile, Stora has proposed a system known as a "real-time pricing formula," which it says more closely tracks the cost savings the power corporation receives when a mill reduces power consumption in peak periods. Despite the problems, some observers see cause for long-term optimism, and reason that Stora may wish to compromise. Tom Adams, director of Toronto-based Energy Probe, says it's expected that in a few years Nova Scotia Power's prices may moderate. "The increase in world prices is turning around. The outlook is for a significant decrease and that fuel price savings will show up on consumer bills in the next few years," he argues. Meanwhile, MacLean foresees Stora eventually receiving government assistance to build a $60 million co-generation plant, which will produce power for the factory and sell energy back to the power grid. If an agreement outside of the hearing doesn't occur, the board is expected to rule within 30 days on a formula. The company has indicated it will make a final decision then on whether to fully re-open its paper machines. Stora currently has about 200 people working at the mill, restoring it to normal operations after the lockout. Stay in the know. Pulse on the new Yahoo.com. Check it out. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Government unprepared for nuclear disaster
I doubt if BushCo is ready for any type of disaster. Its focus is on war and creating new terrorists. This is their "creative chaos" and I think it's insane. Peace, D. Mindock P.S. Google "bush creative chaos" 09/4/2006 Government unprepared for nuclear disaster; volunteers patrol San Francisco Bay As the United States prepares to commemorate the Sept 11 attack as well as Hurricane Katrina, a group of activist physicians released a report faulting the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) for lack of preparedness (Geoff Morrell, ABC News 8/31/06). There are no communication plans to tell the public whether to evacuate or shelter, no radiologic monitoring instruments, and little surge capacity in the medical system, complain prominent members of Physicians for Social Responsibility (PSR). There are also no public shelters and no plans to disseminate life-saving information on expedient shelter and radiation detection, notes AAPS Executive Director Jane Orient, M.D., in a just-published article in the Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons. The rudimentary U.S. civil defense system was dismantled, largely owing to anti-defense activism by PSR and others. The fallout shelter inventory, the state stockpiles of regularly calibrated radiologic instruments, packaged disaster hospitals, and emergency communications were all casualties of PSR opposition. PSR is now, unapologetically, issuing updated bombing runs (The U.S. and Nuclear Terrorism, www.psr.org). In addition to calculating early casualties in an unprepared, unsheltered population, PSR red-lines vast areas that would be uninhabitable for decades, with economic losses of trillions of dollars, based on the assertion that there is no dose threshold at which exposure to radiation is safe. Their maps show scary plumes from a dirty bomb, with doses ranging from 6 rem to as low as one-millionth of a remmentioning neither the fact that below 100 rem there would be no acute symptoms, nor the biphasic dose-response curve for radiation exposure (with beneficial effects over a wide range of low doses). Though not among the PSR scenarios, the detonation of a nuclear weapon in a port facility is one of the likelier possibilities. A RAND study showed that a 10-KT explosion in the Port of Long Beach could cause 60,000 immediate casualties and ten times as much economic damage as the Sept 11 attacks (Greg Krikorian, LA Times 8/16/06). According to the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), there were 650 cases of illicit trafficking of nuclear and radiologic materials worldwide between 1993 and 2004. As of February, 75 percent of U.S. ports had no ability to screen for nuclear weapons, and only 5 percent of 11 million containers were inspected at all. The DHS is planning to install $1.15 billion worth of radiation detectors in U.S. portsby 2011. The new monitors will cost between $600,000 and $800,000 each. Currently, 14-foot, $180,000 pillars detect gamma rays and high-energy neutrons when container-laden trucks drive between them. However, truck drivers in a hurry drive can drive around the portal, stated Sandia Lab weapons subcontractor Stanley Glaros. Glaros and his team are plying the waters of San Francisco Bay with a homemade detector costing about $12,000. His biggest headache, Glaros says, is that if he detects something, by the time he gets an official response it may be too late. Ive been in this business since SALT I, Glaros said. Its gonna happen; its just a question of when (Mark Rutherford, Wired News 8/22/06). While the entire U.S. effort is focused on interdiction (prevention) rather than response and recovery, Shanghai just announced completion of an underground bunker, constructed in total secrecy, that can accommodate 200,000 people. Its 2.5 miles of passages cannot compete in scale with the Underground Great Wall containing 19 miles of air-raid shelters, which was built beneath Beijing in the 1960s and 1970s (Jane Macartney, Times 7/31/06). Additional information: Special issue on preparedness, AzMedicine Is Chronic Radiation an Effective Prophylaxis Against Cancer? by W.L. Chen et al., J Am Phys Surg, spring 2004. Homeland Security Proposes Accepting Higher Radiation Exposure in the Event of a Dirty Bomb Attack, News of the Day 1/7/06. New York Hospitals to Be Equipped with Radiation Detectors, News of the Day 1/5/06. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Ethanol V's Methanol
What are you people talking about? have you ever made any type of biofuel? Seems to me that you are confusing them all. Acid Base process and ethanol fuel? Methanol vs ethanol? It has sense in biodiesel production, but you are talking alcohol fuel for petroleum engines. Does not make too much sense. Andrew - Original Message - From: Derick Giorchino To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 1:01 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Ethanol V's Methanol Hi Doug I am interested in the ethanol production you are using. What is it can you point me in the right direction? Is it the acid base as is explained at J.T.F.? As for the carb problems maybe a marine carb is more tolerant of the alcohol fuel if not there are places that could chrome or anodize the carb bowls for a price you would need to re thread all the holes. Or maybe powder coating would work. Good luck Derick From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of lres1Sent: Monday, September 04, 2006 12:03 AMTo: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSubject: [Biofuel] Ethanol V's Methanol Would like to know the advantages if any of using Methanol instead of Ethanol in making bio-diesel. It is very easy to make Ethanol with down to 15% water. Seems kinda silly to make Ethanol and Methanol if Ethanol will do all. Have now got a MPEFI Jeep running on 80% Ethanol and 20% water as a straight injection. Have a few bugs to work out but total conversion cost is less than US$20.00. To convert back to RUG is a flick of a switch on the dash. This makes more sense now to use the Ethanol instead of making Methanol for bio-diesel production as I already make the ethanol and it can replace RUG in a MPEFI engine or standard carb engine. I still have no replies on how to lacquer or coat an alloy carburetor to stop reactions with the Ethanol. At present The system is fully drained and blown with compressed air to clear out all water and Ethanol. Would be kinda nice to be able to shut the engines off and just walk away and not have the cleaning time. I do not want to get rid of the water in my Ethanol replacement for RUG as it gives much more power than RUG at 80 to 85% Ethanol and 15 to 20% water mix. The plasticized fuel tanks and lines can handle it all the carbs can not. My next step is to try and run 502 C.I.V8 engines and 351 modified engines and 350 C.I. engineswith 4 barrel hollies on Ethanol but need to clear up the carb reaction problems with the alloys involved. Would like to know how to get to 0.5% water for bio-diesel processing. Same question as JJJN I guess Doug ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Israel Plans for War With Iran and Syria
Israeli officials 'face war crimes risk' Israel's public officials have been told to watch what they say in public about the Lebanese and Palestinian conflicts for fear of being prosecuted for war crimes, political sources say. The sources say the foreign ministry has established a legal team to deal with efforts by foreign groups to arrange the prosecution abroad of Israelis involved in the war against Hezbollah guerrillas and crackdowns on Palestinians. A ministry memorandum issued to Israel's military and other government agencies urges officials to avoid belligerent remarks that could potentially be used to back up allegations they were complicit in excessive use of force in Lebanon or Gaza. The type of language now considered off-limits includes 'crushing' the enemy, and 'cleansing', 'levelling', or 'wiping out' suspected enemy emplacements, a political source who saw the memo told Reuters. The source quoted the memo as censuring one official who called for Israel to respond to Hezbollah rockets strikes against the strategic port city of Haifa during the 34-day war by getting rid of a village in Lebanon. The foreign and justice ministries declined to comment. Political targets According to the memo, numerous war crimes lawsuits against Israeli officials were being prepared. It cited venues such as France, Belgium, Morocco and Britain, but no further details were immediately available. Three Moroccan lawyers said last month they were suing the Israeli defence minister, Amir Peretz, over the recent offensives. Israel Radio reported that a Danish politician also tried to have Tzipi Livni, the foreign minister detained and prosecuted during a recent visit to Copenhagen but the request for an arrest warrant was turned down by prosecutors. An Israeli cabinet minister said that while military officials had been singled out in foreign lawsuits, politicians were still largely immune. There is, without a doubt, an effort among various organisations to lash out at our officers and commanders, Isaac Herzog, the tourism minister, told Israel's Army Radio by telephone during a visit to Finland. Of course this does not affect the political echelons. Israel says its armed forces act within international norms and accuses Hezbollah and Palestinian factions of inviting civilian casualties by operating within populated areas. Exchange rumours Meanwhile Ehud Olmert, the Israeli prime minister, denied rumours of a deal that would see Palestinian prisoners released in exchange for Corporal Gilad Shalit, the soldier captured by fighters in Gaza on June 25. He was quoted as telling the defence and foreign affairs committee that all the publications and information about the possible release of the kidnapped soldiers are false. On Sunday, the Yediot Aharonot newspaper said that under secret talks negotiated by Egypt, Israel could release up to 800 Palestinian prisoners in return for Shalit. Israel has demanded Shalit's unconditional release, but local media have reported that talks have been under way for several weeks. ___ Try the all-new Yahoo! Mail. The New Version is radically easier to use The Wall Street Journal http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Need for a laugh
NBC anchor Brian Williams interviewed President Bush. He asked him about his poll numbers and President Bush said, 'The key for me is to keep expectations low.' I think you can accurately say, 'Mission Accomplished.' --Jay Leno The one-year anniversary of Hurricane Katrina hitting New Orleans was marked by President Bush with a moment of silence. A little different than a year ago, when President Bush marked the occasion by a week and a half of silence. --Jay Leno NBC News was also marking the anniversary [of Hurricane Katrina], but they had to settle for lesser celebrity guests, like this guy who took some time from a tour of New Orleans to tell Brian Williams about all the reading he's been doing this summer [on screen: President Bush saying he's read 'three Shakespeare's' this summer]. The point is that he read three Shakespeare's this summer and that's a great way to kick off eight grade --Jimmy Kimmel I think President Bush gets confused. He said progress is being made in New Orleans and he hopes one day New Orleans will be a democracy. You know hurricanes, they hate freedom. --Jay Leno Germany has offered to send troops to the Lebanon border. I bet Israel's breathing a sigh of relief there. Nothing makes Jewish people feel safer and more secure than the German Army marching on their border. --Jay Leno President Bush is on television giving a speech and Kyra Phillips, an anchorwoman from CNN, gets up to go to the bathroom. She's wearing a microphone. She leaves the microphone on. Everyone was outraged. What's the big deal? She gets up to go the bathroom in the middle of a George W. Bush speech -- who hasn't done that? --David Letterman Yesterday the president of Iran challenged President Bush to a televised debate. President Bush turned down the debate, but did challenge the Iranian president to a game of 'Hungry Hungry Hippos.' --Conan O'Brien According to a national organization that studies obesity, nine of the fattest states in America are in the lower third of the country. In other words, geographically, America has a fat ass. --Conan O'Brien ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Ethanol V's Methanol
What are you people talking about? have you ever made any type of biofuel? Seems to me that you are confusing them all. Acid Base process and ethanol fuel? Methanol vs ethanol? It has sense in biodiesel production, but you are talking alcohol fuel for petroleum engines. Doug is being a bit confusing. He was talking about both ethanol fuel in gasoline engines and using ethanol to make biodiesel. Gasoline engines will run on 80% ethanol and 20% water (ie 160 proof) but to make ethyl esters biodiesel the ethanol must be dry, and Doug doesn't know how to make dry ethanol (absolute), he can't do better than 85% ( you should be able to get 95% by distillation). So Doug's question about ethanol vs methanol for making biodiesel doesn't make much sense to me either. I don't think Doug has made biodiesel, or he wouldn't ask anyway - ethanol biodiesel is difficult to make, not for novices, not even when the ethanol is dry, methanol biodiesel is the way to start. I don't think we know of any novices who've succeeded with ethyl esters biodiesel. I don't know how Doug was planning to make methanol, there's no small-scale backyard way of producing methanol. He seems to think you can make it by treating sawdust with concentrated acid, but that makes ethanol, not methanol. I also don't understand the reference to the acid-base process for producing ethanol, the acid-base process at JtF produces biodiesel, not ethanol. Oh well. Has nobody yet discovered whether the castor oil method for producing absolute ethanol works or not? I've been after a source of 20 litres of castor oil here in Japan but I haven't found it yet. The method is here: Separating Ethanol From Water Via Differential Miscibility -- using castor oil http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/eth_separate.html#castoil Best Keith Does not make too much sense. Andrew - Original Message - From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Derick Giorchino To: mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.orgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 1:01 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Ethanol V's Methanol Hi Doug I am interested in the ethanol production you are using. What is it can you point me in the right direction? Is it the acid base as is explained at J.T.F.? As for the carb problems maybe a marine carb is more tolerant of the alcohol fuel if not there are places that could chrome or anodize the carb bowls for a price you would need to re thread all the holes. Or maybe powder coating would work. Good luck Derick From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of lres1 Sent: Monday, September 04, 2006 12:03 AM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] Ethanol V's Methanol Would like to know the advantages if any of using Methanol instead of Ethanol in making bio-diesel. It is very easy to make Ethanol with down to 15% water. Seems kinda silly to make Ethanol and Methanol if Ethanol will do all. Have now got a MPEFI Jeep running on 80% Ethanol and 20% water as a straight injection. Have a few bugs to work out but total conversion cost is less than US$20.00. To convert back to RUG is a flick of a switch on the dash. This makes more sense now to use the Ethanol instead of making Methanol for bio-diesel production as I already make the ethanol and it can replace RUG in a MPEFI engine or standard carb engine. I still have no replies on how to lacquer or coat an alloy carburetor to stop reactions with the Ethanol. At present The system is fully drained and blown with compressed air to clear out all water and Ethanol. Would be kinda nice to be able to shut the engines off and just walk away and not have the cleaning time. I do not want to get rid of the water in my Ethanol replacement for RUG as it gives much more power than RUG at 80 to 85% Ethanol and 15 to 20% water mix. The plasticized fuel tanks and lines can handle it all the carbs can not. My next step is to try and run 502 C.I. V8 engines and 351 modified engines and 350 C.I. engines with 4 barrel hollies on Ethanol but need to clear up the carb reaction problems with the alloys involved. Would like to know how to get to 0.5% water for bio-diesel processing. Same question as JJJN I guess Doug ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] It's seeping North
Canadian Copyright Group Seeks To License the Net http://yro.slashdot.org/yro/06/09/05/0418223.shtml ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Testing H2O in Methanol
On Sep 4, 2006, at 7:19 PM, JJJN wrote: Would you have some baseline readings? and can you tell 85% from 95% with one of these? They typically read off in percentage by volume of alcohol, as well as proof and Baumé (whatever that is :-)). You can easily tell 98% from 99%. -K ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Testing H2O in Methanol
For liquids heavier than water: 0 °Bé = distance the hydrometer sinks in pure water 15 °Bé = distance the hydrometer sinks in a solution that is 15% sodium chloride (salt, NaCl) by mass. To convert from °Bé to specific gravity at 60 degrees Fahrenheit: specific gravity = 145/(145 - °Bé) For liquids lighter than water: 0 °Bé = distance the hydrometer sinks in a solution that is 10% sodium chloride (salt, NaCl) by mass 10 °Bé = distance the hydrometer sinks in pure water. To convert from °Bé to specific gravity at 60 degrees Fahrenheit: specific gravity = 140/(130 + °Bé) (whew) Ken Provost wrote: On Sep 4, 2006, at 7:19 PM, JJJN wrote: Would you have some baseline readings? and can you tell 85% from 95% with one of these? They typically read off in percentage by volume of alcohol, as well as proof and Baumé (whatever that is :-)). You can easily tell 98% from 99%. -K ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- -- Bob Allen,http://ozarker.org/bob -- - The modern conservative is engaged in one of Man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness JKG ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Testing H2O in Methanol
Hi Jim; Yes I got a couple of hydrometers 0.79 to 0.90 range and rather than try to find calibration tables for temperature etc I decided the thing to do is take some fresh pure methanol and measure it's SG at room temperature (about 20 degrees C in my place) and then add some measured amounts of room temperature water and record the SG values. I haven't done it yet but will make a post when I do. I am interested in determining how much water is in my recovered methanol, so I can gauge roughly how much zeolite I need to dry the stuff. I expect to be somewhere in the range of 10% water or so hence the hydrometer range I bought works for the lower end water content. I measued some recovered methanol I got from glycerin and it was 0.813 at RT and I measured another bunch that I cut off earlier in the process and it measured 0.798. I'll give the more meaningful numbers soon. Joe JJJN wrote: Does any one know of a good test to determine the amount of water in methanol? Joe were you working on something like this? Jim ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Testing H2O in Methanol
a confounding variable in determining water in methanol (recovered from the glycerin cocktail) depending on the distillation set up besides water and methanol you will also get glycerin- depending on the temperature and number of theoretical plates in your still. How a small amount of glycerin will impact the density of the possibly ternary mixture, I don't know- Joe Street wrote: Hi Jim; Yes I got a couple of hydrometers 0.79 to 0.90 range and rather than try to find calibration tables for temperature etc I decided the thing to do is take some fresh pure methanol and measure it's SG at room temperature (about 20 degrees C in my place) and then add some measured amounts of room temperature water and record the SG values. I haven't done it yet but will make a post when I do. I am interested in determining how much water is in my recovered methanol, so I can gauge roughly how much zeolite I need to dry the stuff. I expect to be somewhere in the range of 10% water or so hence the hydrometer range I bought works for the lower end water content. I measued some recovered methanol I got from glycerin and it was 0.813 at RT and I measured another bunch that I cut off earlier in the process and it measured 0.798. I'll give the more meaningful numbers soon. Joe JJJN wrote: Does any one know of a good test to determine the amount of water in methanol? Joe were you working on something like this? Jim ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- -- Bob Allen,http://ozarker.org/bob -- - The modern conservative is engaged in one of Man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness JKG ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Ontario lags on climate change - Toronto Star - 2006.09.05
http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/A rticle_Type1c=Articlecid=1157104868030call_pageid=968256290204col=96 8350116795 PETER TABUNS When Stephen Harper made clear his intention to drop the ball on Kyoto, provinces started looking at one another to see who would pick it up. Quebec was the first off the mark, with Manitoba close on its heels. Quebec this past month introduced its renewed climate change plan based on Kyoto targets. Under its plan, Manitoba is working to exceed Kyoto targets. Cognizant of the cost of climate change, Quebec and Manitoba took a page from some U.S. states and cities like New Jersey, Massachusetts, California, and U.S. cities like New York who are taking the action that their federal government, especially under George Bush, has forsaken. Ontario on the other hand has remained silent. Silence is a losing policy. With its greenhouse gas emissions growing by 16 per cent over the past decade, Ontario will be hit hard by climate change. Changing rainfall patterns will decrease crop yields, leave our northern forests at risk to go up in smoke, and cause lake levels to decline, threatening the fresh drinking water supplies and the production of hydroelectricity. Higher temperatures will accelerate smog even if we are able to reduce some of our output of pollution. We are already eyewitnesses to climate change in our own backyard. Extreme temperatures and violent storms strained Ontario's infrastructure last summer and a repeat performance is playing out right now. Toronto Medical Officer of Health Dr. David McKeown has warned that unless steps are taken to combat climate change, premature deaths associated with extreme heat will continue to rise. Premier Dalton McGuinty is sticking to the position that climate change is a federal responsibility. It was in part this recalcitrance that earned Ontario an F on climate change from the Sierra Club in June, and a recommendation in the most recent report from the province's Environmental Commissioner that Ontario develop its own climate change strategy. Contrary to the position taken by the premier, climate change falls within his sphere of influence, since the province has jurisdiction to reduce emissions in many ways the federal government cannot. A made-in-Ontario climate change plan, based on Kyoto targets, would entail reconfiguring current plans pertaining to energy, urban planning, and transportation. Must-haves under a made-in-Ontario plan would include: * Conservation and efficiency as its cornerstone. Closing coal-fired generation, one of our largest sources of greenhouse gases, in large part requires realigning resources toward conservation and efficiency. Right now, only 2 per cent of Ontario's $83 billion energy strategy is earmarked for programs that reduce demand and waste, despite them being cheaper, quicker and pollution-free. According to research commissioned by the government itself, 5,100 MW, an amount greater than the power generated by three of Ontario's four coal-fired plants, can be saved by improving efficiency standards for appliances and equipment, providing incentives like rebates to consumers and businesses to adopt less wasteful models, and constructing or retrofitting buildings according to green building code standards. These programs stand to save Ontarians $7 billion. * Harnessing Ontario's tremendous potential in renewables and cogeneration can complete the job of weaning us off coal. Studies find it's feasible that new wind and low-impact hydro alone could provide 9,700 MW. A comparable amount of power can be drawn from biomass and solar, and geothermal pumps are viable but yet untapped means to cool and heat homes instead of electricity. Cogeneration, a.k.a. recycling energy in industrial facilities, paper mills, schools, and hospitals can provide 16,514 MW - nearly three times more power that Ontario's coal-fired plants produce combined. But bringing these energy sources online is dependent upon the province putting into place the mechanisms that will shift these alternatives into the mainstream, e.g. tax credits to industry and institutions to switch to renewables, revising regulations that pose a barrier to cogeneration, and rebates to homeowners who install geothermal pumps. * Curbing sprawl and reinvigorating public transit: Sprawl spurs traffic, the largest source of CO2. But, under proposed growth plans, expanding highways that feed sprawl still trump renewing public transit, and density targets are not high enough to support expansions of the system. Having climate change targets can shift the focus toward revitalizing and building more public transit. In addition to maximizing environmental benefits, an Ontario climate change plan will generate financial paybacks and ensure Ontario's economic competitiveness for the future. Building retrofitting programs would spur thousands of person-years of employment in the building trades
Re: [Biofuel] Ethanol V's Methanol
No Keith am not confused. I do make biodiesel. I use methanol and until some one has a better way that's what I will use. I was asking about the production of ethanol to use in other family vehicles. Since they are gas engines. I read on J.T.F. way back when I was starting the venture of bio. That ethanol can be made at home using wood chips /paper and I think there may have been also a mention of dry grass and brush and breaking it down with sulfuric acid. But I would need to go back and read it over. My quarry was as to the amount of yield verses raw product used per liter /gal or what ever. Thanks Derick. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Keith Addison Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 6:40 AM To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Ethanol V's Methanol What are you people talking about? have you ever made any type of biofuel? Seems to me that you are confusing them all. Acid Base process and ethanol fuel? Methanol vs ethanol? It has sense in biodiesel production, but you are talking alcohol fuel for petroleum engines. Doug is being a bit confusing. He was talking about both ethanol fuel in gasoline engines and using ethanol to make biodiesel. Gasoline engines will run on 80% ethanol and 20% water (ie 160 proof) but to make ethyl esters biodiesel the ethanol must be dry, and Doug doesn't know how to make dry ethanol (absolute), he can't do better than 85% ( you should be able to get 95% by distillation). So Doug's question about ethanol vs methanol for making biodiesel doesn't make much sense to me either. I don't think Doug has made biodiesel, or he wouldn't ask anyway - ethanol biodiesel is difficult to make, not for novices, not even when the ethanol is dry, methanol biodiesel is the way to start. I don't think we know of any novices who've succeeded with ethyl esters biodiesel. I don't know how Doug was planning to make methanol, there's no small-scale backyard way of producing methanol. He seems to think you can make it by treating sawdust with concentrated acid, but that makes ethanol, not methanol. I also don't understand the reference to the acid-base process for producing ethanol, the acid-base process at JtF produces biodiesel, not ethanol. Oh well. Has nobody yet discovered whether the castor oil method for producing absolute ethanol works or not? I've been after a source of 20 litres of castor oil here in Japan but I haven't found it yet. The method is here: Separating Ethanol From Water Via Differential Miscibility -- using castor oil http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/eth_separate.html#castoil Best Keith Does not make too much sense. Andrew - Original Message - From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Derick Giorchino To: mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.orgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 1:01 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Ethanol V's Methanol Hi Doug I am interested in the ethanol production you are using. What is it can you point me in the right direction? Is it the acid base as is explained at J.T.F.? As for the carb problems maybe a marine carb is more tolerant of the alcohol fuel if not there are places that could chrome or anodize the carb bowls for a price you would need to re thread all the holes. Or maybe powder coating would work. Good luck Derick From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of lres1 Sent: Monday, September 04, 2006 12:03 AM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] Ethanol V's Methanol Would like to know the advantages if any of using Methanol instead of Ethanol in making bio-diesel. It is very easy to make Ethanol with down to 15% water. Seems kinda silly to make Ethanol and Methanol if Ethanol will do all. Have now got a MPEFI Jeep running on 80% Ethanol and 20% water as a straight injection. Have a few bugs to work out but total conversion cost is less than US$20.00. To convert back to RUG is a flick of a switch on the dash. This makes more sense now to use the Ethanol instead of making Methanol for bio-diesel production as I already make the ethanol and it can replace RUG in a MPEFI engine or standard carb engine. I still have no replies on how to lacquer or coat an alloy carburetor to stop reactions with the Ethanol. At present The system is fully drained and blown with compressed air to clear out all water and Ethanol. Would be kinda nice to be able to shut the engines off and just walk away and not have the cleaning time. I do not want to get rid of the water in my Ethanol replacement for RUG as it gives much more power than RUG at 80 to 85% Ethanol and 15 to 20% water mix. The plasticized fuel tanks and lines can handle it all the carbs can not. My next step is to try and run 502 C.I. V8 engines and 351 modified engines and 350 C.I. engines with 4 barrel hollies on Ethanol but need to clear up the carb reaction problems with the alloys involved.
Re: [Biofuel] Ethanol V's Methanol
Derick, you are talking about cellolosic ethanol, that is ethanol made from cellulose, rather than from starch. This is the holy grail of ethanol production. Very small amounts of ethanol can be made from sulfuric acid digestion of cellulose, but the yield is abysmal and the cost high. My position is it is not worth the time, trouble, and expense. the problems are manifold. First is the fact that the lignin present, which binds the cellulose, is not easily separable from the cellulose,and hydrolysis of cellulose to free the sugars is much more difficult that that of starch, and finally the sugars released from cellulose fermentation are not easily fermentable with yeast. Big bucks have been spent trying to solve these problems since at least the 70's with little or no success. Simply, if it were easy, it would be happening everywhere, as the feedstock- cellulosic wastes-are abundant. Derick Giorchino wrote: No Keith am not confused. I do make biodiesel. I use methanol and until some one has a better way that's what I will use. I was asking about the production of ethanol to use in other family vehicles. Since they are gas engines. I read on J.T.F. way back when I was starting the venture of bio. That ethanol can be made at home using wood chips /paper and I think there may have been also a mention of dry grass and brush and breaking it down with sulfuric acid. But I would need to go back and read it over. My quarry was as to the amount of yield verses raw product used per liter /gal or what ever. Thanks Derick. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Keith Addison Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 6:40 AM To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Ethanol V's Methanol What are you people talking about? have you ever made any type of biofuel? Seems to me that you are confusing them all. Acid Base process and ethanol fuel? Methanol vs ethanol? It has sense in biodiesel production, but you are talking alcohol fuel for petroleum engines. Doug is being a bit confusing. He was talking about both ethanol fuel in gasoline engines and using ethanol to make biodiesel. Gasoline engines will run on 80% ethanol and 20% water (ie 160 proof) but to make ethyl esters biodiesel the ethanol must be dry, and Doug doesn't know how to make dry ethanol (absolute), he can't do better than 85% ( you should be able to get 95% by distillation). So Doug's question about ethanol vs methanol for making biodiesel doesn't make much sense to me either. I don't think Doug has made biodiesel, or he wouldn't ask anyway - ethanol biodiesel is difficult to make, not for novices, not even when the ethanol is dry, methanol biodiesel is the way to start. I don't think we know of any novices who've succeeded with ethyl esters biodiesel. I don't know how Doug was planning to make methanol, there's no small-scale backyard way of producing methanol. He seems to think you can make it by treating sawdust with concentrated acid, but that makes ethanol, not methanol. I also don't understand the reference to the acid-base process for producing ethanol, the acid-base process at JtF produces biodiesel, not ethanol. Oh well. Has nobody yet discovered whether the castor oil method for producing absolute ethanol works or not? I've been after a source of 20 litres of castor oil here in Japan but I haven't found it yet. The method is here: Separating Ethanol From Water Via Differential Miscibility -- using castor oil http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/eth_separate.html#castoil Best Keith Does not make too much sense. Andrew - Original Message - From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Derick Giorchino To: mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.orgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 1:01 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Ethanol V's Methanol Hi Doug I am interested in the ethanol production you are using. What is it can you point me in the right direction? Is it the acid base as is explained at J.T.F.? As for the carb problems maybe a marine carb is more tolerant of the alcohol fuel if not there are places that could chrome or anodize the carb bowls for a price you would need to re thread all the holes. Or maybe powder coating would work. Good luck Derick From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of lres1 Sent: Monday, September 04, 2006 12:03 AM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] Ethanol V's Methanol Would like to know the advantages if any of using Methanol instead of Ethanol in making bio-diesel. It is very easy to make Ethanol with down to 15% water. Seems kinda silly to make Ethanol and Methanol if Ethanol will do all. Have now got a MPEFI Jeep running on 80% Ethanol and 20% water as a straight injection. Have a few bugs to work out but total conversion cost is less than
Re: [Biofuel] Ethanol V's Methanol
Thanks for the response Keith. This is very good info for me. I do not wish to spend a lot of time trying to do something that is close to imposable or just impractical. When I could be out collecting U.V.O. or making bio d. Would you have any idea what Doug is speeking of earlier in this post? He makes it sound like ethanol is easily done. I maybe reading into this though. Derick. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of bob allen Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 3:20 PM To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Ethanol V's Methanol Derick, you are talking about cellolosic ethanol, that is ethanol made from cellulose, rather than from starch. This is the holy grail of ethanol production. Very small amounts of ethanol can be made from sulfuric acid digestion of cellulose, but the yield is abysmal and the cost high. My position is it is not worth the time, trouble, and expense. the problems are manifold. First is the fact that the lignin present, which binds the cellulose, is not easily separable from the cellulose,and hydrolysis of cellulose to free the sugars is much more difficult that that of starch, and finally the sugars released from cellulose fermentation are not easily fermentable with yeast. Big bucks have been spent trying to solve these problems since at least the 70's with little or no success. Simply, if it were easy, it would be happening everywhere, as the feedstock- cellulosic wastes-are abundant. Derick Giorchino wrote: No Keith am not confused. I do make biodiesel. I use methanol and until some one has a better way that's what I will use. I was asking about the production of ethanol to use in other family vehicles. Since they are gas engines. I read on J.T.F. way back when I was starting the venture of bio. That ethanol can be made at home using wood chips /paper and I think there may have been also a mention of dry grass and brush and breaking it down with sulfuric acid. But I would need to go back and read it over. My quarry was as to the amount of yield verses raw product used per liter /gal or what ever. Thanks Derick. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Keith Addison Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 6:40 AM To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Ethanol V's Methanol What are you people talking about? have you ever made any type of biofuel? Seems to me that you are confusing them all. Acid Base process and ethanol fuel? Methanol vs ethanol? It has sense in biodiesel production, but you are talking alcohol fuel for petroleum engines. Doug is being a bit confusing. He was talking about both ethanol fuel in gasoline engines and using ethanol to make biodiesel. Gasoline engines will run on 80% ethanol and 20% water (ie 160 proof) but to make ethyl esters biodiesel the ethanol must be dry, and Doug doesn't know how to make dry ethanol (absolute), he can't do better than 85% ( you should be able to get 95% by distillation). So Doug's question about ethanol vs methanol for making biodiesel doesn't make much sense to me either. I don't think Doug has made biodiesel, or he wouldn't ask anyway - ethanol biodiesel is difficult to make, not for novices, not even when the ethanol is dry, methanol biodiesel is the way to start. I don't think we know of any novices who've succeeded with ethyl esters biodiesel. I don't know how Doug was planning to make methanol, there's no small-scale backyard way of producing methanol. He seems to think you can make it by treating sawdust with concentrated acid, but that makes ethanol, not methanol. I also don't understand the reference to the acid-base process for producing ethanol, the acid-base process at JtF produces biodiesel, not ethanol. Oh well. Has nobody yet discovered whether the castor oil method for producing absolute ethanol works or not? I've been after a source of 20 litres of castor oil here in Japan but I haven't found it yet. The method is here: Separating Ethanol From Water Via Differential Miscibility -- using castor oil http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/eth_separate.html#castoil Best Keith Does not make too much sense. Andrew - Original Message - From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Derick Giorchino To: mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.orgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 1:01 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Ethanol V's Methanol Hi Doug I am interested in the ethanol production you are using. What is it can you point me in the right direction? Is it the acid base as is explained at J.T.F.? As for the carb problems maybe a marine carb is more tolerant of the alcohol fuel if not there are places that could chrome or anodize the carb bowls for a price you would need to re thread all the holes. Or maybe powder coating would work. Good luck
