[Biofuel] Why Genetically Modifying Food Products Is A No No

2006-12-25 Thread D. Mindock
Why Genetically Modifying (GM) Food Products Is A No No
by  Chris Gupta 

In every FDA decision involving genetically modified foods, those making the 
decision were either former or future employees of the genetic-engineering 
companies. To determine the safety of these foods, the FDA typically just takes 
the word of the company.
Further, the FDA has increased the allowable residue of Roundup on crops by 
330%. So Monsanto can make genetically engineered crops resistant to their 
toxic chemicals and sell more chemical as well as seeds. You get to eat both 
the genetically altered food and the added chemicals. What a scheme. Monsanto 
is making a killing on these seeds and chemicals.

These corporations have lots of products for you in the pipeline. Here are just 
a few: Aluminum tolerance in papaya, tobacco, rice, and corn (so they can grow 
the plants in soil contaminated with aluminum). Growth-enhanced farm-raised 
salmon. Monosexed fish. Altering carnivorous fish to starch-based digestion. 
Antifreeze gene in warm-water fish to raise them in cold climates.

Do you really want to eat plants resistant to aluminum? I don't think your 
brain would like that!

How about fish with antifreeze?

And, if these companies have their way, their products will be labeled as 
organic if grown without the addition of chemicals.

See also: The Earth is flat, pigs were invented by Monsanto, and genetically 
modified organisms are safe. Right.

Inge's Added Comment:

GENETIC ENGINEERING of OUR FOOD - a growing treat to your health: 
This is a burning issue, the significance of which most people seem blissfully 
and trustingly unaware. The future of FOOD (through genetic engineering - 
leading to patents, ownership, and complete control ownership of seeds and thus 
the food supply by Corporations is one if THE most important issues facing the 
survival of mankind and the biological environment. 

But even worse, many of these foods have been clearly shown to destroy health, 
- and are definitely an overwhelming threat to the genetic integrity of natural 
plants through pollen transfer, etc - a fact that is carefully covered up by a 
silent main media and the steady stream of government/corporate/academic 
misinformation and pseudoscience. 

Jeffrey Smith is one of the most informed whistleblowers on the issue of 
genetic engineering - and his book SEEDS of DECEPTION is a trail-blazer - the 
most detailed and documented expose of the dangers, deceit, and 
control-agenda surrounding the genetic- engineering debacle. 

It is important that we inform ourselves NOW - and then decide how to reverse 
this disastrous agenda - because the SEED-FOOD-SUPPLY-TAKEOVER Agenda is 
already very well advanced, with government complicity and promotion. 

Here is a Good Summary on the potential harm from GM

Some audios to supplement this post are here. 

Chris Gupta
--

Why You Should Avoid These Healthy Foods 

It's no secret that organic foods are gaining in popularity. Even the corporate 
behemoth Wal-Mart is making big news with its new organic products. But have 
you ever thought about the reason organics are becoming so popular?

Obviously, the word is getting out about pesticides and herbicides. The 
American people have said enough is enough and demanded cleaner, healthier 
foods. But the problem is much greater than just pesticides and herbicides.

The Big Chemical companies and Big Agriculture companies have joined together 
to genetically modify plants to be disease and insect resistant. 

Genetic modification means the insertion of genes into an organism. Genes are 
the hard drive of a cell's computer. They tell your cells what to do, and what 
compounds to manufacture.

There are some very good purposes to genetic engineering (GE). For example, 
scientists inserted the human gene to make insulin into a bacterium. Now we 
have a ready and reliable source of human insulin that we simply harvest by 
growing the bacteria.

But when it comes to genetically modifying food products, it's a different 
story. I've told you in the past about genetically modified foods and the 
health trouble some of them cause. Now we're finding out that ALL genetically 
modified foods are potentially hazardous to your health.

For instance, the chemical company Monsanto took a gene from a plant that makes 
the pesticide Bacillus thuringiensis toxin­ or Bt ­ to protect itself. The 
company then stuck this gene into corn. So now, most corn sold in the U.S. has 
this gene in it. While this means most corn crops can ward off predatory 
insects, it also means we are all eating genetically modified corn.

What's wrong with that? Consider this: A recent study found that people in the 
Philippines now have antibodies to Bt toxin in their blood. That means they 
must be eating Bt. Connect the dots!

Researchers also have tested people who eat genetically engineered foods. In 
the participants, they found Roundup Ready and Bt genes, along 

Re: [Biofuel] Ethanol and cold starts

2006-12-25 Thread Arttu Aula

Methyl ethyl ketone is at least the solvent of choice in the aviation
industry. The general rule of thumb in those circles being that everything's
more toxic than in the automotive department: leaded AvGas, high sulfur jet
fuel(not to mention the additives they throw in), hydraulic fluid which they
at least strongly discourage from ingesting. It does vaporize quickly,
dissolves most glues and paints and all grease, much better than acetone.
Considering the bother we go through to put on gloves and masks when dealing
with it, i wouldn't use it as fuel.

Block heaters do take a bit of electricity, but they do save enough fuel in
cold weather to justify their use; 1/2h in 5 C to -5 C, 1h down to -15 C,
then 2h for below that. There are fuel burning ones too, no cord or plug
necessary, but they are more expensive. Electrically heated carburetors do
exist, they shouldn't take much power at all considering the small mass of a
carburetor. Even less if you just heat the fuel in the float bowl directly.
It takes 1 minute to heat 1 dl of ethanol 40C (-20 to 20C, for example)
using the power of your low beams (not USING your low beams of course, but
the same amount of electricity). If your battery can't take that, get a new
battery, you won't be able to start an engine on gas at -20. I'm inclined to
think that an EFI engine would start quite well in freezing weather, at
least down to the point where block heaters are recomended anyways. But a
heating around the fuel lines wouldn't be impossible either.

Winter's coming late this year, no snow on chirstmas! And this is Finland
we're talking about! I'd like to try out my snowmobile on ethanol, but the
large batch production's the hard part, it being illegal in Finland and
all... So if the cops ask i didn't distill a test batch of around 3dl with a
steam juicer with the top sections flipped around and the middle filled with
glass plates. It might have burned had i done so :)

Not to mention i can't use the snowmobile on any fuel with no snow around!
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[Biofuel] Impeach Bush

2006-12-25 Thread Kirk McLoren

From discussion to action -- Michael Ratner and his fellow lawyers have 
drafted a call to impeach President Bush. 

 
  http://www.alte/rnet.orgstory/32977/



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Re: [Biofuel] humanure to humus

2006-12-25 Thread Marylynn Schmidt
I think it's the same principle .. what goes in is what comes out.

I read a great deal and don't necessarily remember exactly where my source 
was but, I understand that it was standard practice for little men with 
small wagons to take the overnight pots from the homes in the cities in 
Japan and use that human manure as fertilizer in the country .. our 
returning American military people thought this was on the side of 
disgusting (American Puritan backgrounds getting into their usual judgments 
concerning other cultures and practices) .. but .. whatever I read supported 
this practice because the diet of the average Japanese family was very low 
in meat.

I can't even remember reading anything about this one .. probably just 
something I've heard said forever .. but the best manure comes from the 
grass eating animals which leaves out the average American, the dogs and the 
cats etc because of the poor quality and large amount of meat that is 
consumed while dogs and cats are both basically carnivores.

So with that being the basis of my thinking on this subject, my guess is 
that a general study will not support human to fertilizer as being a good 
practice because that same general study would also have all those McDonalds 
Happy Meals in the mix.

.. but if there ever were an actual study done then perhaps a study 
comparing horse, cow, chicken manure from small family farms against the 
same species manure from factory farms and feed lots.

.. I think the results would never be published ..

Mary Lynn

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: Re: [Biofuel] humanure to humus
Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2006 12:30:37 -0600 (CST)

I don't usually chime in too much however I did want to point out
something. I do agree with looking at safe composting of humanure, my town
has specifically said NO to homeowners doing such a thing though... they
tested the compost (our Master Gardner program was part of this research)
and found that they could not safely tell folks it was ok to use. It did
have trace of drugs. They said yes, it would be ok on non food plants, but
they are still researching the fruit trees. Tomatoes etc heck no (ie: food
bearing plants). So because of the results they banned any use of humanure
for any use. It MUST be connected to a sewer or septic tanks. Huge fines
and jail time if we don't follow the directions.

I was upset since it was shown in our area (Arizona) that it could be used
on non food plants, that it would (the tests showed)be unlikely to make it
to our watershed to cause problems. Currently our waters are showing
drugs, prozac was the big one. That is because of the city programs and
how they make so many mistakes (like accidentally putting sweet water
through our drinking water lines then over chlorinating us) I was glad
that they scientifically made their choice. They used facts and science,
not just oh well I have done it for years and never been sick.

I think more research needs to be done. Until then I break the law and do
my own composting putting it on non food plants.

I think that both sides need to be heard and not attacked here, I
appreciate hearing both sides, I do my research on most things, but I
always learn something when folks post here... so I do appreciate all of
the points of views and comments here.

Judy Lynn (dont flame me!)

  Wes and Luke
 
 I would be surprised if I am the only one on this list thinking it
 is a good thing to discourage this fellow.
 
  I'd be damn' disappointed if you weren't, but I suppose you'll
  probably win that one, so I'll brace myself for further
  disappointment, sigh...
 
 In our town I was shocked a few years ago when our town fathers
 decided to palletize our sewage and sell it to farmers.  Fortunately
 other than spending good tax dollars there was little harm done.
 They could not find a market.
 
  I wonder what that's got to do with composting.
 
 If I am not mistaken environmentalists have been telling us that
 medicines are actually ending up in the rivers and streams in
 measurable amounts from waste water sewage plants.
 
  What's that got to do with composting?
 
 I had a friend (died of cancer) who once ran a small motel. He often
 offered produce from his garden that sat over his weeping tile. I
 always graciously declined. Of course I am not suggesting his cancer
 

Re: [Biofuel] Ethanol and cold starts

2006-12-25 Thread Luke Hansen
That's cool! I mean the ethyl alcohol bit...I'm quite
keen on distilling my own fuel as well. I've started a
reflux still, but haven't gotten it finished (I don't
have any tools to braze ferrous metals - steel, to
non-ferrous metals - copper). But it's always
encouraging to read of other folks have success on any
level! It sounds like you may have some knowledge on
the subject, so I've got a question...what do you know
about converting standard ICE gas engines to run well
on ethanol (ethyl alcohol) ?

I've heard from different sources that all you have to
do is bore out your carb. main jet and idle jet...

Best...
Luke


--- Arttu Aula [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Methyl ethyl ketone is at least the solvent of
 choice in the aviation
 industry. The general rule of thumb in those circles
 being that everything's
 more toxic than in the automotive department: leaded
 AvGas, high sulfur jet
 fuel(not to mention the additives they throw in),
 hydraulic fluid which they
 at least strongly discourage from ingesting. It does
 vaporize quickly,
 dissolves most glues and paints and all grease, much
 better than acetone.
 Considering the bother we go through to put on
 gloves and masks when dealing
 with it, i wouldn't use it as fuel.
 
 Block heaters do take a bit of electricity, but they
 do save enough fuel in
 cold weather to justify their use; 1/2h in 5 C to -5
 C, 1h down to -15 C,
 then 2h for below that. There are fuel burning ones
 too, no cord or plug
 necessary, but they are more expensive. Electrically
 heated carburetors do
 exist, they shouldn't take much power at all
 considering the small mass of a
 carburetor. Even less if you just heat the fuel in
 the float bowl directly.
 It takes 1 minute to heat 1 dl of ethanol 40C (-20
 to 20C, for example)
 using the power of your low beams (not USING your
 low beams of course, but
 the same amount of electricity). If your battery
 can't take that, get a new
 battery, you won't be able to start an engine on gas
 at -20. I'm inclined to
 think that an EFI engine would start quite well in
 freezing weather, at
 least down to the point where block heaters are
 recomended anyways. But a
 heating around the fuel lines wouldn't be impossible
 either.
 
 Winter's coming late this year, no snow on
 chirstmas! And this is Finland
 we're talking about! I'd like to try out my
 snowmobile on ethanol, but the
 large batch production's the hard part, it being
 illegal in Finland and
 all... So if the cops ask i didn't distill a test
 batch of around 3dl with a
 steam juicer with the top sections flipped around
 and the middle filled with
 glass plates. It might have burned had i done so :)
 
 Not to mention i can't use the snowmobile on any
 fuel with no snow around!
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Re: [Biofuel] Impeach Bush

2006-12-25 Thread Luke Hansen
So, this is just my jaded opinion...but any talk of
impeachment is just hot air.

Granted, I'd like to see Bush and his cronies gone as
much as the next guy with half a brain...but
realistically, the guy's only got two years left in
office ( unless the punk can slide through a death
writ on the 22nd amendment like he did with military
commisions and habeus corpus...) and it'd take both
years to push through all of the necessary paperwork.
Plus, the dems aren't gonna do a goddamn thing now
that they finally have some clout. I lost faith in our
little two party political coup many years ago.

Unplug. Don't participate. Vote green. Dems are just
republicans with a different coloured tie. Localize.
local-level politics are the only platform left for
the people.

Ok. Finished ranting. Merry consumer holiday of your
choice.



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 and his fellow lawyers have drafted a call to
 impeach President Bush. 
 
  
   http://www.alte/rnet.orgstory/32977/
 
 
 
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Re: [Biofuel] Anyone done an EV conversion?

2006-12-25 Thread William Adams
Read Bob Brant's book Build Your Own Electric Vehicle. He say s 30% or 
greater.

Good Luck,

Oregon Bob
- Original Message - 
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Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2006 9:03 AM
Subject: [Biofuel] Anyone done an EV conversion?


 I'm thinking of attempting a conversion on my 1976
 Chevy 1/2 ton van. Maybe a simple 96-volt
 system...series wire eight 12V car batteries that I
 find lying around. The range would suck, but this is
 more just for shits and giggles anyways. Also, feel
 free to shoot me down here, but I've heard of folks
 using their starter motors as drive motors for the
 cars themselves...anyone care to comment?

 Thanks,
 Luke

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Re: [Biofuel] Impeach Bush

2006-12-25 Thread swracz
The corrected URL is

http://www.alternet.org/story/32977/

This story was posted back in March of this year - so since then  
Americans have taken a small first step which is to move away from the  
current administration after the last elections - but where is the  
outrage? Where are the street protests? And why is impeachment 'off  
the table' with the Democrats? What's in it for them? Isn't that as  
outrageous as the crimes of the current administration?

Quoting Kirk McLoren [EMAIL PROTECTED]:


 From discussion to action -- Michael Ratner and his fellow   
 lawyers have drafted a call to impeach President Bush.


   http://www.alte/rnet.orgstory/32977/



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