[Biofuel] Washing
Hi guys, If i use, say, 100ml of BD and add 50 ml of hot water for washing (stir for 15 mins), will i get back 100ml of washed BD or less? Thanks, Joe N. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Biofuels eat into China's food stocks written up side down
Not sure what you're saying Irwin. Or maybe I am and I disagree. I am certainly open to correction if I have misunderstood you. However, according to the article, 'In China the first thing is to provide food for its 1.3 billion people, and after that, we will support biofuel production,' the state-run newspaper People's Daily quoted Wang Xiaobing, an official at the Agriculture Ministry's Crops Cultivation Department, as saying this week. What's wrong with that? What's wrong with our first order of business being sticking our hands into the dirt and planting seeds and weeding the garden? Our reliance on the convenience of mechanical transportation and any earth-based energy source required to move it (except of course human bone and muscle for bicycles) is killing Ma Nature and ultimately ourselves as climate change destroys our means of food security. With all due respect to the List and producers of biofuels, the first thing is to provide food...and after that, (I) will support biofuel production. Mike DuPree - Original Message - From: Irwin Levinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 5:46 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Biofuels eat into China's food stocks written up side down As usual as a technology begins and has a success, analysis of the current results encourages projections to the future. This is natural and expected, But the future is, and can be rosey or not depending upon the resourses put in to it. especially the Mathematics or the algorythms used. A small base often leads to projected early limits and disaster, The beginnings of biofuel are small, expansion must be slow and various plants other than the current bio masses begin to be assessed. From current normal mass growth items as corn, wheat, rye, soy, one can go to all pine, wild plants, rice, tree bark, rubber plant waste, olive and fruit tree waste and as you think of it ANY carbon growth with cellulose will and can be turned to alcohol. The chinese are at the beginning and the journalist paints a dark picture at the very start. Too bad. Irv -Original Message- From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Jan 5, 2007 10:47 AM To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] Biofuels eat into China's food stocks http://www.atimes.com/atimes/China_Business/HL21Cb03.html Asia Times Online :: China Business News - China Business Dec 21, 2006 Biofuels eat into China's food stocks By Antoaneta Bezlova BEIJING - China's biofuel industry is booming thanks to voracious demand for energy to power the country's high-flying economy. Applying modernized versions of ancient chemical processes to convert crops and oils into energy sources, Chinese entrepreneurs have created a profitable green business with plenty of room to grow. But worried over surging crop prices, China is now clamping down on the use of corn (maize) and other edible grains for producing biofuel. While it wants to support the growth of alternative energy sources, Beijing says the issue of national food security should take precedence over the country's green agenda. In China the first thing is to provide food for its 1.3 billion people, and after that, we will support biofuel production, the state-run newspaper People's Daily quoted Wang Xiaobing, an official at the Agriculture Ministry's Crops Cultivation Department, as saying this week. China has been encouraging the production of biofuels such as ethanol and methane from renewable resources to reduce the country's growing dependence on imported oil. Once an exporter, China now imports at least 43% of its oil supply. Biofuel is also seen as an environmentally friendly substitute to pollution-producing oil. Chinese economic planners have made the development of green energies such as ethanol fuel and biodiesel a key priority in the country's five-year economic plan. By 2020 they want green energies to account for 15% of all transportation fuels. Yet surging demand for biofuel is now partly blamed for recent price hikes in the food market and for shortages in grain stocks. Wheat prices are at their highest level in a decade, due to poor harvests in key producing countries such as the United States and Australia, while corn prices have surged by up to 20% in local markets. Beijing has begun auctioning some of its wheat reserves to halt the rise in crop prices and prevent panic among the public. Despite predictions that this year would see another bumper harvest, government officials feel compelled to restrict the use of corn for producing biofuel. We have a principle with biofuel: it should neither impact on the people's grain consumption, nor should it compete with grain crops for cultivated land, the People's Daily quoted Yang Jian, director of the Development Planning
Re: [Biofuel] Washing
On Jan 5, 2007, at 11:31 PM, Joe Neo wrote: If i use, say, 100ml of BD and add 50 ml of hot water for washing (stir for 15 mins), will i get back 100ml of washed BD or less? There should be very little if any volume loss. The actual volumes of soap and methanol that will be washed out are small. OTOH, if you create any emulsion during the wash, you can lose a LOT. -K ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Radiation Ovens, the Proven Dangers of Microwaves
Keith Addison wrote: (growing things again) It's this that we've been doing: http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg62619.html Re: [Biofuel] More Gardening News - micro ley farming Keith Addison Fri, 12 May 2006 It's much advanced on that now. We worked on it flat out from July up to now, had to push most other things aside, too bad if they unravelled in the meantime. Including correspondence. :-( We're coming out of it now though, slowly. It sure works well, that's already obvious, but spring will see it in full swing. You're WAY ahead of me in this. I like to develop a solid understanding of what I'm doing already before making the next step forward. Part of our challenge here with growing through the fall and winter is that our weather tends to be so soggy it's really quite miserable to be outside. I use my garage for working on my truck, and on Friday afternoon my fingers got so numb that I whacked by right index finger on a piece of intake pipe and bent the fingernail backwards. (Bad words!!!) I've thought of either enclosing our raised beds into cold frames, or tearing out a patch of lawn on the north side of our property to put in a greenhouse. Ultimately, I'd like to get into aquaculture. The concept intrigues me. The ground here isn't frozen yet, though I suppose it will be soon. Some of these crops will have to be harvested when that happens, but others don't mind, as we found last year. Very hardy! I still have onions in the ground that we haven't harvested. Our garden was so bountiful this past year we don't have room for its largess. (Benita wants to get a bigger freezer!) I can't believe how much food we simply give away. Hopefully, once the fruit trees are well established, we'll have an abundance of plums, pears, cherries and apples, too! After several weeks of pretty cold weather, we had a pineapple express blow in. Warm rain softened everything. I've wanted to get another compost bin going, but I've been preoccupied with my truck, so the compost is getting buried in the horse manure pile. (Not exactly ideal, but I've noticed that my earthworm friends have been busy!) Last year, by the way, by this time we'd been under snow for a month, with temps way down below freezing, and it lasted another month and a half, 10 weeks, plus another three weeks which weren't much better. We suffered a lot! Usually it lasts two weeks. Japan's worst-ever winter. We were facing this winter with more than a little trepidation, especially with this farming project. Seems to be about normal though, so far, touch wood. Still, there's no real excuse for not living beside the Mediterranean, it's just self-inflicted injury. Coming from a Mediterranean climate, I have to say that I appreciate having four seasons. Our winter has been savage this year. Normally, we'll get one or two serious windstorms per winter season, but we've been averaging at least one per week for the last six weeks . . . (We had a serious one last night that caused a lot of damage to local trees, and there's another one scheduled for this evening.) This climate change thing is just a hoax anyway, right??? Ha! (Michael Drosnin and nuclear holocaust) :-) We seem to be relatively unholocausted so far, though that hasn't been a bet to put good money on for the last 60 years. You'll get a lot more out of Weston Price, Robert! IMHO. I read the book for entertainment value and laughed my way through most of it. He's obsessed with secrets in the equidistant letter sequences that supposedly warn of terrible things to come if we don't change our ways, but doesn't seem interested in the admonitions anyone can read in the plain text! He says he doesn't believe in God, yet he thinks that the messages in the code can foretell the future. Am I the only one who sees a dichotomy here? He's really a confused man! (Getting out in the garden again) Yes indeed, it's (a) therapeutic, (b) revolutionary, (c) good to eat! What more could you want? LOL! It's even good for weight control! (Getting the Supertruck running again) Ulp... Well, good luck. I built a Megasquirt from a kit, with a lot of help from a friend, and swapped it into the truck in place of the factory computer last week. I invested a LOT of spare time tuning the engine for normal aspiration this week, but yesterday when I put the blower belt back on, I couldn't get the engine to stop revving. (It started at 3 000 rpm and wouldn't decline!) The headers were glowing red hot after a few minutes of running, so tomorrow morning (before my students start coming) I've got to hunt down the problem. I suspect a vacuum leak . . . robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice The Long Journey New Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/
Re: [Biofuel] Biofuels eat into China's food stocks written up side down
I'll put itsimply; allthe cellulose on cellulose containg plants whether the are digestable by man or beast can be turned into alcohol; Not just the normal grains and their associates Think of it. All the other stuff. every pre used piece of wood, paper,every common plant including most weeds and most phyla are possible sources of alcohol, Time, engineering and use will determine the materials and pathways of conversion to fuel. The petroleum pathway may be limited from natures previous work, but with sunlight, oxygen,water and carbon dioxide we can grow fuel. if we want to, or eat it or use it as needed. The article tends to pre judge this approach.Irv -Original Message- From: MK DuPree l<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Sent: Jan 6, 2007 8:46 AM To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Biofuels eat into China's food stocks written up side down Not sure what you're saying Irwin. Or maybe I am and I disagree. I am certainly open to correction if I have misunderstood you. However, according to the article, "'In China the first thing is to provide food for its 1.3 billion people, and after that, we will support biofuel production,' the state-run newspaper People's Daily quoted Wang Xiaobing, an official at the Agriculture Ministry's Crops Cultivation Department, as saying this week." What's wrong with that? What's wrong with our first order of business being sticking our hands into the dirt and planting seeds and weeding the garden? Our reliance on the convenience of mechanical transportation andany earth-based energy source required to move it (except of course human bone and muscle for bicycles) is killing Ma Nature and ultimately ourselves as climate change destroys our means of food security. With all due respect to the List and producers of biofuels, "the first thing is to provide food...and after that, (I) will support biofuel production." Mike DuPree - Original Message - From: "Irwin Levinson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 5:46 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Biofuels eat into China's food stocks written up side down As usual as a technology begins and has a success, analysis of the current results encourages projections to the future. This is natural and expected, But the future is, and can be rosey or not depending upon the resourses put in to it. especially the "Mathematics or the algorythms" used. A small base often leads to projected early limits and disaster, The beginnings of biofuel are small, expansion must be slow and various plants other than the current bio masses begin to be assessed. From current normal mass growth items as corn, wheat, rye, soy, one can go to all pine, wild plants, rice, tree bark, rubber plant waste, olive and fruit tree waste and as you think of it ANY carbon growth with cellulose will and can be turned to alcohol. The chinese are at the beginning and the journalist paints a dark picture at the very start.Too bad. Irv -Original Message-From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Jan 5, 2007 10:47 AMTo: biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSubject: [Biofuel] Biofuels eat into China's food stockshttp://www.atimes.com/atimes/China_Business/HL21Cb03.htmlAsia Times Online :: China Business News -China Business Dec 21, 2006Biofuels eat into China's food stocksBy Antoaneta BezlovaBEIJING - China's biofuel industry is booming thanks to voracious demand for energy to power the country's high-flying economy. Applying modernized versions of ancient chemical processes to convert crops and oils into energy sources, Chinese entrepreneurs have created a profitable "green business" with plenty of room to grow.But worried over surging crop prices, China is now clamping down on the use of corn (maize) and other edible grains for producing biofuel. While it wants to support the growth of alternative energy sources, Beijing says the issue of national food security should take precedence over the country's green agenda."In China the first thing is to provide food for its 1.3 billion people, and after that, we will support biofuel production," the state-run newspaper People's Daily quoted Wang Xiaobing, an official at the Agriculture Ministry's Crops Cultivation Department, as saying this week.China has been encouraging the production of biofuels such as ethanol and methane from renewable resources to reduce the country's growing dependence on imported oil. Once an exporter, China now imports at least 43% of its oil supply.Biofuel is also seen as an environmentally friendly substitute to pollution-producing oil. Chinese economic planners have made the development of green energies such as ethanol fuel and biodiesel a key priority in the country's five-year economic plan. By 2020 they want green energies to account for 15% of all transportation fuels.Yet surging demand for biofuel is now partly blamed for recent price hikes in the food
[Biofuel] Castor oil as a therapy
Thanks to D. Mindock for the Castor oil post. Here is one comment from someone whom I passed this on to: Hi Wes, since Dr. Hamilton left I`ve been without a doctor, anyway to make a long story short I found a narouapathis [sp?] practitioner in Glen Tay, he`s kept me going when I thought I`d had it! castor oil is his fixit for everything, blueberries are his favourite followed by flax seed oil, I know it sounds delightful but a little bit of honey makes the medicine go down! See you S. Appreciating beneficial posts like this I think some folks may be interested in this: http://www.rexresearch.com/milkovic/milkovic.htm I believe the link was contributed from Keelynet.com. A fellow from Serbia has discovered over unity energy from the application of a pendulum used in conjunction with a lever. There seems to have been a resurgence of advances in over unity lately. Including that unspeakable magnetic motion. . hope this is not offensive to anyone., Wes ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Castor oil as a therapy
Hi Wes, Interesting link to Milkovic's work. I wonder if you could apply added pendulum energy to a bicycle, and have a sort of long-distance low-effort gear. On 1/6/07, Wes Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks to D. Mindock for the Castor oil post. Here is one comment from someone whom I passed this on to: Hi Wes, since Dr. Hamilton left I`ve been without a doctor, anyway to make a long story short I found a narouapathis [sp?] practitioner in Glen Tay, he`s kept me going when I thought I`d had it! castor oil is his fixit for everything, blueberries are his favourite followed by flax seed oil, I know it sounds delightful but a little bit of honey makes the medicine go down! See you S. Appreciating beneficial posts like this I think some folks may be interested in this: http://www.rexresearch.com/milkovic/milkovic.htm I believe the link was contributed from Keelynet.com. A fellow from Serbia has discovered over unity energy from the application of a pendulum used in conjunction with a lever. There seems to have been a resurgence of advances in over unity lately. Including that unspeakable magnetic motion. … hope this is not offensive to anyone., Wes ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
