Re: [Biofuel] Biofuels Report: How Green is my Tank? (The Ecologist)

[Dawie Coetzee]

Contrary to popular belief the main problem with unsprung mass is not 
inertia-induced loss of grip over bumps. There are two other disadvantages. 
Firstly, the resonant frequency of the suspension is determined by the spring 
rates and sprung mass. Stiff springs carrying a light mass make for a high 
resonant frequency and therefore a harsh ride. The more unsprung mass one can 
convert to sprung mass, the lower the resonant frequency at any given spring 
rate, or the stiffer the springs one can use at any given resonant frequency. 
Secondly, weight transfer during lateral acceleration is the sum of weight 
transfers due to resistance of roll, centrifugal force applied at the roll 
centre, and centrifugal force applied at the cg of the unsprung mass. The less 
unsprung mass, the less centrifugal force acting on it, the less the weight 
transfer that is not susceptible to tuning by changing roll stiffness and/or 
roll centre positions.

-Dawie


- Original Message 
From: Joe Street <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Tuesday, 8 May, 2007 6:40:35 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Biofuels Report: How Green is my Tank? (The Ecologist)

Problem with wheel motors is the mass.  It makes for poor handling because when 
the wheel encounters bumps or a sudden drop in road height it takes too long 
for the spring to push it back in contact with the pavement.  The suspension 
can only have so much preload with a given chassis weight.  Better to have a 
heavier chassis and very light weight suspension.  As always the rule is reduce 
moving mass. Doesn't matter if you are talking about pistons, valves or 
supension components, increasing the mass of the moving part is not a good 
idea.  The advantages of wheel motors are pretty sweet though, but overall I 
wonder how the vehicle would handle.

Joe

Zeke Yewdall wrote:

Interesting idea.  I only remember the CV transmissions from the subaru 
justy's, which had somewhat limited lifespan. 

The idea of hub motors is apparently not new -- porsche was doing it in the 
30's, and the hybrid military humvee-like-vehical prototype had them too.  
google hub motor porshe, or hub motor humvee, for some interesting stuff -- 
unfortuneatly I couldn't find anything very technical on what the power to 
weight ratio was for them.


On 5/4/07, Jason& Katie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
what about the new(ish) continuous drive transmission toyota is using? i'm not 
entirely sure five big magnet and/or coil sets would be any less weight than a 
single front drive transmission. there would have to be some colossal energy 
density to get small enough motors tough enough move a car and yet fit inside 
the wheel, (although it does make for some interesting controlled braking 
possibilities, especially for cross country races).
 
on a side note:
is there any way to use CO2 pulled from the air for a materials carbon supply?
- Original Message - 
From: Zeke Yewdall 
To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org 
Sent: Friday, May 04, 2007 9:49 AM 
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Biofuels Report: How Green is my Tank? (The Ecologist)


2500 lbs seems a bit heavy.  My old pickup truck only weighs in at 2,600 lbs, 
empty.   With fiberglass and carbon fiber, it should be possible to make one 
that's closer to 1,500lbs or less including engine, everything.   Wonder if it 
might be less weight to do a series electric drive system and get rid of the 
transmission entirely.  A high frequency high efficiency generator would 
operate from a fixed RPM operation of the diesel engine, and a variable 
frequency drive would directly drive each wheel.  No axles, driveshafts, 
differential, gearbox, etc.  And the engine is still always operated at the 
highest kWh/grams point. 

Z


On 5/2/07, Jason& Katie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
i propose a new fuel economy goal. 100mpg @ 100mph!

any design ideas? i'm thinking a 4cyl UHC diesel engine with at least 10
forward gears in a vehicle body weighing no more than 2500lbs.



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Re: [Biofuel] Re-processing troubles

[Derick Giorchino]

This brings up what has happened to me the last few days but before I go
there let me tell you. don't try to get rid of what you have made.I to have
done this same thing and have found that if you take 1/2 ltr sample of your
failure and add 2 grams methoxide and represses the mix in a pet bottle as
if you were going to make a test batch. if no success add 2 more and so on
until there is a separation. 
now for my nightmare last year a picked up 100 ltrs of w.v.o. at the local
Chinese restaurant put it through my dewater tank and decanted as always
into my 120 ltr reactor tank and it sat there all winter long 2 weeks ago I
started titration tests came up with 4 +3.5  treated 1/2 liter with the
concentrated methoxide. and nothing did this a few times but the same
titration every time. so I started doing test batches. adding 2 grams lye at
a time and ended up with 12 gpl methoxide seemed very bad for a Chinese
restaurant but what the hell mixed up the 24 liters of fresh methanol with
1400 grams of lye processed  hour at 135 deg F let it settle for a few hours
and found it was turning into sludge. I then turned the heater back on and
added 2 gpl methox processed once more knowing it would get better. the next
day I found 120 liters of thick almost lard mix. so I took 1/2 liter for
test adding 6 grams per ltr and it now looks clear very dark much darker
than the oil ever did with no glycerin layer. there is a fuzzy blend on the
bottom of the bottle. I would like to save this but with all the methoxide
in the mix I don't think there is a  way to wash this but it should make a
very expensive and fantastic drain cleaner. (just kidding).
any help out there I figured with the vast resources out there maybe just
maybe I can save this. 
thanks Derick.

  _  

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Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 11:45 AM
To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Subject: [Biofuel] Re-processing troubles


Hi all,

Reading Shawn's post today was interesting because I was going to post
myself about a re-processing question.  

I started making bio with 1 and 2 liter batches as per the instructions on
Journey to Forever (thanks again for the great site!), and had moderate
success, just like Shawn.  I would have a small emulsion layer, perhaps
1/4-1/2" in the first wash.  Talking to some local "biodieselistas" here in
New Mexico, they said go ahead and wash it, and if by the third wash it
separates quickly and cleanly, it's probably alright. Well, I got curious
and tried to reprocess a batch anyway as per the directions of JtF:

"If you have an emulsion any thicker than the normal "paper thin" interface
layer between oil and water, the batch should be retreated. Retreat as with
fresh oil  ,
with the standard 3.5 g of lye per litre of oil but using only 100 ml
methanol per litre of oil."

My batch separated out a bit more glycerin, but when when I went to wash it,
it turned into "Milk" and, to this day, has not separated.  I didn't think
much about it and kept processing small batches until I got one that worked
fairly well.

Okay, fast forward a few months:  We built a 55 gal. drum processor and have
done four batches with it.  The first one came out with a bit of an emulsion
later (more than I wanted), so I increased the processing time to two hours.
Second batch came out much cleaner.  Good wash, nice clear fuel when dry.
The third batch I messed up by miscalculating the amount of lye...used
3.5g/liter (as per NaOH) instead of the 5.5g./liter I actually needed for
our 90% KOH!  As you can imagine, the batch came out pretty badly!  We
settled out as much bio as we could and after three washes used about 25
gallons of this and 15 gallons WVO in the next batch.  

I preheated the batch to 140 degrees (to dewater), let it settle for a day
or two, and titrated.  It titrated at 1.5, so I used 1050g. of lye (150
liters of oil, and 30 liters of methanol), and reprocessed as per a batch of
WVO.  

When I went to do a 2nd wash this morning (forgot to do a bottle test-
doh!), it came out as tan milk.  It had settled overnight.  There was no
biodiesel on the top- the whole batch looks like a latte!  

I am going to try to separate out at least some of the batch, but I'm afraid
to try to re-process again.  Meanwhile, I've got 40 gal. of muck I have to
get rid of

Any input would be welcome!

Thanks for the time,

Matt Wilson




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[Jason& Katie]

if anyone wants to know, i will be moving back home at  the end of the week, 
so i will be changing my email address to a hotmail account until i can get 
a fixed account again. nothing drastic, just temporary.

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Re: [Biofuel] Australia hands over man to US courts

[Mike Weaver]

Amiga or die

doug wrote:

>Careful, I can see this forming into a flame war! (Mine is bigger than yours 
>scenario)
>
> Really, once you wean off the Redmond product, it dosen't matter if its Linux 
>or Mac. The only reason why I probably would not buy a Mac is historical: I 
>used to hate the computer telling me I could not have my disc back: then 
>fighting it with a paperclip!
> regards Doug
>
>On Wednesday 09 May 2007 05:12:56 am Keith Addison wrote:
>  
>
>>>All of it.  Like Joseph Jenkins's book, with Linux, you can either do it
>>>yourself for free, or buy a DVD and support.
>>>I personally like Macs, though I have to say Mr. Jobs has turned out to
>>>have feet of clay...
>>>  
>>>
>>Hasn't he. Quite apart from the environmental issues, and the human
>>rights issues, quite a lot of long-time Mac users don't think too
>>highly of Apple these days, but the machines and OS are streets ahead
>>of anything else nonetheless. Including Linux.
>>
>>This is quite an interesting read:
>>
>>http://viewfromthemountain.typepad.com/applepeels/2007/04/the_real_apple_.h
>>tml Applepeels:
>>April 25, 2007
>>The real Apple environment
>>
>>Jobs's "Greener Apple" message:
>>http://www.apple.com/hotnews/agreenerapple/
>>
>>And, previously, to his credit, this:
>>
>>http://www.apple.com/hotnews/thoughtsonmusic/
>>Thoughts on Music
>>Steve Jobs
>>February 6, 2007
>>
>>Still can't see why I'd want to "Go Linux", but never mind.
>>
>>Keith
>>
>>
>>
>>>Keith Addison wrote:
>>>  
>>>
>Go Linux
>  
>
Why would I want to do that? That's for Windozers when they wake up,
not for Mac users when they fall asleep.

(How much of that message did you actually read?)

Keith



>Keith Addison wrote:
>  
>
>>>BEFORE he was extradited to the United States, Hew Griffiths, from
>>>Berkeley Vale in NSW, had never even set foot in America. But he had
>>>pirated software produced by American companies.
>>>
>>>Now, having been given up to the US by former justice minister Chris
>>>Ellison, Griffiths, 44, is in a Virginia cell, facing up to 10 years
>>>in an American prison after a guilty plea late last month.
>>>
>>>http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2007/05/06/1178390140855.html
>>>  
>>>
>>I guess by now we've all seen those heart-rending pictures of poor
>>old Bill Gates sitting at the street corner in New York with his hat
>>out on the pavement, poor feller, driven to pennilessness by
>>dastardly software pirates. It's said 70 percent of all the software
>>in use worldwide is pirated - but for these filthy criminals Bill
>>could have had that money, instead of his paltry $20 billion, and he
>>wouldn't be in this sad state that he's in now. Disgraceful - where's
>>the law when you need it???
>>
>>This is a little difficult to explain though:
>>
>>http://www.josephjenkins.com/books_humanure.html
>>Joseph Jenkins, Inc. - The Humanure Handbook
>>
>>This is where Joseph Jenkins sells hard-copies of his popular
>>Humanure Handbook online at his web store. Scroll down a little and
>>you'll find these links:
>>
>>$25.00 US -- BUY NOW or read the book free on the web.
>>
>>And:
>>
>>Buy a Book Now
>>Read the Book for Free
>>BUY IT ON AMAZON.COM
>>
>>Read the Book for Free:
>>http://jenkinspublishing.com/humanure_contents.html
>>Joseph Jenkins, Inc. - Humanure Handbook Table of Contents
>>
>>Full text, free online.
>>
>>He's been doing that for at least seven years now, and he's not the
>>only one. Yet the book's sold 30,000 copies, not bad going. No way to
>>know, but I'd bet that if he didn't give it away for nothing online
>>he wouldn't have sold so many.
>>
>>This crap about software piracy always reminds me of a restaurant
>>owner I used to know in Hong Kong. I dropped in at his place for some
>>coffee one afternoon during an economic crisis, the property market
>>had crashed, quite a few folks went out of business and so on.
>>"How're you doing?" I asked him.
>>
>>"Terrible!" he answered. "I'm losing 20,000 dollars a day!"
>>[USD1=HKD8]
>>
>>It turned out that before the crash he'd been making $60,000 a day,
>>but now he was only making $40,000 a day.
>>
>>But I wonder if so many copies of Windoze etc would have been sold
>>but for all the pirating?
>>
>>Best
>>
>>Keith
>>
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Re: [Biofuel] Australia hands over man to US courts

[doug]

Careful, I can see this forming into a flame war! (Mine is bigger than yours 
scenario)

 Really, once you wean off the Redmond product, it dosen't matter if its Linux 
or Mac. The only reason why I probably would not buy a Mac is historical: I 
used to hate the computer telling me I could not have my disc back: then 
fighting it with a paperclip!
 regards Doug

On Wednesday 09 May 2007 05:12:56 am Keith Addison wrote:
> >All of it.  Like Joseph Jenkins's book, with Linux, you can either do it
> >yourself for free, or buy a DVD and support.
> >I personally like Macs, though I have to say Mr. Jobs has turned out to
> >have feet of clay...
>
> Hasn't he. Quite apart from the environmental issues, and the human
> rights issues, quite a lot of long-time Mac users don't think too
> highly of Apple these days, but the machines and OS are streets ahead
> of anything else nonetheless. Including Linux.
>
> This is quite an interesting read:
>
> http://viewfromthemountain.typepad.com/applepeels/2007/04/the_real_apple_.h
>tml Applepeels:
> April 25, 2007
> The real Apple environment
>
> Jobs's "Greener Apple" message:
> http://www.apple.com/hotnews/agreenerapple/
>
> And, previously, to his credit, this:
>
> http://www.apple.com/hotnews/thoughtsonmusic/
> Thoughts on Music
> Steve Jobs
> February 6, 2007
>
> Still can't see why I'd want to "Go Linux", but never mind.
>
> Keith
>
> >Keith Addison wrote:
> > >>Go Linux
> > >
> > >Why would I want to do that? That's for Windozers when they wake up,
> > >not for Mac users when they fall asleep.
> > >
> > >(How much of that message did you actually read?)
> > >
> > >Keith
> > >
> > >>Keith Addison wrote:
> > BEFORE he was extradited to the United States, Hew Griffiths, from
> > Berkeley Vale in NSW, had never even set foot in America. But he had
> > pirated software produced by American companies.
> > 
> > Now, having been given up to the US by former justice minister Chris
> > Ellison, Griffiths, 44, is in a Virginia cell, facing up to 10 years
> >  in an American prison after a guilty plea late last month.
> > 
> > http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2007/05/06/1178390140855.html
> > >>>
> > >>>I guess by now we've all seen those heart-rending pictures of poor
> > >>>old Bill Gates sitting at the street corner in New York with his hat
> > >>>out on the pavement, poor feller, driven to pennilessness by
> > >>>dastardly software pirates. It's said 70 percent of all the software
> > >>>in use worldwide is pirated - but for these filthy criminals Bill
> > >>>could have had that money, instead of his paltry $20 billion, and he
> > >>>wouldn't be in this sad state that he's in now. Disgraceful - where's
> > >>>the law when you need it???
> > >>>
> > >>>This is a little difficult to explain though:
> > >>>
> > >>>http://www.josephjenkins.com/books_humanure.html
> > >>>Joseph Jenkins, Inc. - The Humanure Handbook
> > >>>
> > >>>This is where Joseph Jenkins sells hard-copies of his popular
> > >>>Humanure Handbook online at his web store. Scroll down a little and
> > >>>you'll find these links:
> > >>>
> > >>>$25.00 US -- BUY NOW or read the book free on the web.
> > >>>
> > >>>And:
> > >>>
> > >>>Buy a Book Now
> > >>>Read the Book for Free
> > >>>BUY IT ON AMAZON.COM
> > >>>
> > >>>Read the Book for Free:
> > >>>http://jenkinspublishing.com/humanure_contents.html
> > >>>Joseph Jenkins, Inc. - Humanure Handbook Table of Contents
> > >>>
> > >>>Full text, free online.
> > >>>
> > >>>He's been doing that for at least seven years now, and he's not the
> > >>>only one. Yet the book's sold 30,000 copies, not bad going. No way to
> > >>>know, but I'd bet that if he didn't give it away for nothing online
> > >>>he wouldn't have sold so many.
> > >>>
> > >>>This crap about software piracy always reminds me of a restaurant
> > >>>owner I used to know in Hong Kong. I dropped in at his place for some
> > >>>coffee one afternoon during an economic crisis, the property market
> > >>>had crashed, quite a few folks went out of business and so on.
> > >>>"How're you doing?" I asked him.
> > >>>
> > >>>"Terrible!" he answered. "I'm losing 20,000 dollars a day!"
> > >>> [USD1=HKD8]
> > >>>
> > >>>It turned out that before the crash he'd been making $60,000 a day,
> > >>>but now he was only making $40,000 a day.
> > >>>
> > >>>But I wonder if so many copies of Windoze etc would have been sold
> > >>>but for all the pirating?
> > >>>
> > >>>Best
> > >>>
> > >>>Keith
>
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Re: [Biofuel] Australia hands over man to US courts

[Keith Addison]

>All of it.  Like Joseph Jenkins's book, with Linux, you can either do it
>yourself for free, or buy a DVD and support.
>I personally like Macs, though I have to say Mr. Jobs has turned out to
>have feet of clay...

Hasn't he. Quite apart from the environmental issues, and the human 
rights issues, quite a lot of long-time Mac users don't think too 
highly of Apple these days, but the machines and OS are streets ahead 
of anything else nonetheless. Including Linux.

This is quite an interesting read:

http://viewfromthemountain.typepad.com/applepeels/2007/04/the_real_apple_.html
Applepeels:
April 25, 2007
The real Apple environment

Jobs's "Greener Apple" message:
http://www.apple.com/hotnews/agreenerapple/

And, previously, to his credit, this:

http://www.apple.com/hotnews/thoughtsonmusic/
Thoughts on Music
Steve Jobs
February 6, 2007

Still can't see why I'd want to "Go Linux", but never mind.

Keith


>Keith Addison wrote:
>
> >>Go Linux
> >>
> >>
> >
> >Why would I want to do that? That's for Windozers when they wake up,
> >not for Mac users when they fall asleep.
> >
> >(How much of that message did you actually read?)
> >
> >Keith
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>Keith Addison wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> BEFORE he was extradited to the United States, Hew Griffiths, from
> Berkeley Vale in NSW, had never even set foot in America. But he had
> pirated software produced by American companies.
> 
> Now, having been given up to the US by former justice minister Chris
> Ellison, Griffiths, 44, is in a Virginia cell, facing up to 10 years in
> an American prison after a guilty plea late last month.
> 
> http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2007/05/06/1178390140855.html
> 
> 
> 
> 
> >>>I guess by now we've all seen those heart-rending pictures of poor
> >>>old Bill Gates sitting at the street corner in New York with his hat
> >>>out on the pavement, poor feller, driven to pennilessness by
> >>>dastardly software pirates. It's said 70 percent of all the software
> >>>in use worldwide is pirated - but for these filthy criminals Bill
> >>>could have had that money, instead of his paltry $20 billion, and he
> >>>wouldn't be in this sad state that he's in now. Disgraceful - where's
> >>>the law when you need it???
> >>>
> >>>This is a little difficult to explain though:
> >>>
> >>>http://www.josephjenkins.com/books_humanure.html
> >>>Joseph Jenkins, Inc. - The Humanure Handbook
> >>>
> >>>This is where Joseph Jenkins sells hard-copies of his popular
> >>>Humanure Handbook online at his web store. Scroll down a little and
> >>>you'll find these links:
> >>>
> >>>$25.00 US -- BUY NOW or read the book free on the web.
> >>>
> >>>And:
> >>>
> >>>Buy a Book Now
> >>>Read the Book for Free
> >>>BUY IT ON AMAZON.COM
> >>>
> >>>Read the Book for Free:
> >>>http://jenkinspublishing.com/humanure_contents.html
> >>>Joseph Jenkins, Inc. - Humanure Handbook Table of Contents
> >>>
> >>>Full text, free online.
> >>>
> >>>He's been doing that for at least seven years now, and he's not the
> >>>only one. Yet the book's sold 30,000 copies, not bad going. No way to
> >>>know, but I'd bet that if he didn't give it away for nothing online
> >>>he wouldn't have sold so many.
> >>>
> >>>This crap about software piracy always reminds me of a restaurant
> >>>owner I used to know in Hong Kong. I dropped in at his place for some
> >>>coffee one afternoon during an economic crisis, the property market
> >>>had crashed, quite a few folks went out of business and so on.
> >>>"How're you doing?" I asked him.
> >>>
> >>>"Terrible!" he answered. "I'm losing 20,000 dollars a day!" [USD1=HKD8]
> >>>
> >>>It turned out that before the crash he'd been making $60,000 a day,
> >>>but now he was only making $40,000 a day.
> >>>
> >>>But I wonder if so many copies of Windoze etc would have been sold
> >>>but for all the pirating?
> >>>
> >>>Best
> >>>
> >>>Keith
> >>>
> >>>


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[Biofuel] Re-processing troubles

[Matt Wilson]

Hi all,

Reading Shawn's post today was interesting because I was going to post myself 
about a re-processing question.  

I started making bio with 1 and 2 liter batches as per the instructions on 
Journey to Forever (thanks again for the great site!), and had moderate 
success, just like Shawn.  I would have a small emulsion layer, perhaps 
1/4-1/2" in the first wash.  Talking to some local "biodieselistas" here in New 
Mexico, they said go ahead and wash it, and if by the third wash it separates 
quickly and cleanly, it's probably alright. Well, I got curious and tried to 
reprocess a batch anyway as per the directions of JtF:

"If you have an emulsion any thicker than the normal "paper thin" interface 
layer between oil and water, the batch should be retreated. Retreat as with 
fresh oil, with the standard 3.5 g of lye per litre of oil but using only 100 
ml methanol per litre of oil."

My batch separated out a bit more glycerin, but when when I went to wash it, it 
turned into "Milk" and, to this day, has not separated.  I didn't think much 
about it and kept processing small batches until I got one that worked fairly 
well.

Okay, fast forward a few months:  We built a 55 gal. drum processor and have 
done four batches with it.  The first one came out with a bit of an emulsion 
later (more than I wanted), so I increased the processing time to two hours.  
Second batch came out much cleaner.  Good wash, nice clear fuel when dry.  The 
third batch I messed up by miscalculating the amount of lye...used 3.5g/liter 
(as per NaOH) instead of the 5.5g./liter I actually needed for our 90% KOH!  As 
you can imagine, the batch came out pretty badly!  We settled out as much bio 
as we could and after three washes used about 25 gallons of this and 15 gallons 
WVO in the next batch.  

I preheated the batch to 140 degrees (to dewater), let it settle for a day or 
two, and titrated.  It titrated at 1.5, so I used 1050g. of lye (150 liters of 
oil, and 30 liters of methanol), and reprocessed as per a batch of WVO.  

When I went to do a 2nd wash this morning (forgot to do a bottle test- doh!), 
it came out as tan milk.  It had settled overnight.  There was no biodiesel on 
the top- the whole batch looks like a latte!  

I am going to try to separate out at least some of the batch, but I'm afraid to 
try to re-process again.  Meanwhile, I've got 40 gal. of muck I have to get rid 
of

Any input would be welcome!

Thanks for the time,

Matt Wilson


 
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Re: [Biofuel] Biofuels Report: How Green is my Tank? (The Ecologist)

[Zeke Yewdall]

Yeah -- same reason that independent suspension handles better than solid
axles I guess -- because you've got less unsprung weight.

How about a single motor built onto a differential, driving two drive axles
out to the wheels.  Same concept as a regular front wheel drive vehical, but
without the transmission part.  Actually, I think that's what the OEM
electric pickups that Ford and GM made used.  Those handled amazingly for a
pickup truck, but I think that was because they actually had weight on the
rear wheels from the battery pack - nothing to do with the electric drive.

On 5/8/07, Joe Street <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


 Problem with wheel motors is the mass.  It makes for poor handling
because when the wheel encounters bumps or a sudden drop in road height it
takes too long for the spring to push it back in contact with the pavement.
The suspension can only have so much preload with a given chassis weight.
Better to have a heavier chassis and very light weight suspension.  As
always the rule is reduce moving mass. Doesn't matter if you are talking
about pistons, valves or supension components, increasing the mass of the
moving part is not a good idea.  The advantages of wheel motors are pretty
sweet though, but overall I wonder how the vehicle would handle.

Joe

Zeke Yewdall wrote:

Interesting idea.  I only remember the CV transmissions from the subaru
justy's, which had somewhat limited lifespan.

The idea of hub motors is apparently not new -- porsche was doing it in
the 30's, and the hybrid military humvee-like-vehical prototype had them
too.  google hub motor porshe, or hub motor humvee, for some interesting
stuff -- unfortuneatly I couldn't find anything very technical on what the
power to weight ratio was for them.

On 5/4/07, Jason& Katie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>  what about the new(ish) continuous drive transmission toyota is using?
> i'm not entirely sure five big magnet and/or coil sets would be any less
> weight than a single front drive transmission. there would have to be
> some colossal energy density to get small enough motors tough enough move a
> car and yet fit inside the wheel, (although it does make for some
> interesting controlled braking possibilities, especially for cross country
> races).
>
> on a side note:
> is there any way to use CO2 pulled from the air for a materials carbon
> supply?
>
>  - Original Message -
> *From:* Zeke Yewdall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> *To:* biofuel@sustainablelists.org
> *Sent:* Friday, May 04, 2007 9:49 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [Biofuel] Biofuels Report: How Green is my Tank? (The
> Ecologist)
>
>  2500 lbs seems a bit heavy.  My old pickup truck only weighs in at
> 2,600 lbs, empty.   With fiberglass and carbon fiber, it should be possible
> to make one that's closer to 1,500lbs or less including engine,
> everything.   Wonder if it might be less weight to do a series electric
> drive system and get rid of the transmission entirely.  A high frequency
> high efficiency generator would operate from a fixed RPM operation of the
> diesel engine, and a variable frequency drive would directly drive each
> wheel.  No axles, driveshafts, differential, gearbox, etc.  And the engine
> is still always operated at the highest kWh/grams point.
>
> Z
>
> On 5/2/07, Jason& Katie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > i propose a new fuel economy goal. 100mpg @ 100mph!
> >
> > any design ideas? i'm thinking a 4cyl UHC diesel engine with at least
> > 10
> > forward gears in a vehicle body weighing no more than 2500lbs.
> >
> >
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Re: [Biofuel] Biofuels Report: How Green is my Tank? (The Ecologist)

[Joe Street]

Problem with wheel motors is the mass.  It makes for poor handling 
because when the wheel encounters bumps or a sudden drop in road height 
it takes too long for the spring to push it back in contact with the 
pavement.  The suspension can only have so much preload with a given 
chassis weight.  Better to have a heavier chassis and very light weight 
suspension.  As always the rule is reduce moving mass. Doesn't matter if 
you are talking about pistons, valves or supension components, 
increasing the mass of the moving part is not a good idea.  The 
advantages of wheel motors are pretty sweet though, but overall I wonder 
how the vehicle would handle.


Joe

Zeke Yewdall wrote:

Interesting idea.  I only remember the CV transmissions from the 
subaru justy's, which had somewhat limited lifespan.


The idea of hub motors is apparently not new -- porsche was doing it 
in the 30's, and the hybrid military humvee-like-vehical prototype had 
them too.  google hub motor porshe, or hub motor humvee, for some 
interesting stuff -- unfortuneatly I couldn't find anything very 
technical on what the power to weight ratio was for them.


On 5/4/07, *Jason& Katie* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > 
wrote:


what about the new(ish) continuous drive transmission toyota is
using? i'm not entirely sure five big magnet and/or coil sets
would be any less weight than a single front drive transmission.
there would have to be some colossal energy density to get small
enough motors tough enough move a car and yet fit inside the
wheel, (although it does make for some interesting controlled
braking possibilities, especially for cross country races).
 
on a side note:

is there any way to use CO2 pulled from the air for a
materials carbon supply?

- Original Message -
*From:* Zeke Yewdall 
*To:* biofuel@sustainablelists.org

*Sent:* Friday, May 04, 2007 9:49 AM
*Subject:* Re: [Biofuel] Biofuels Report: How Green is my
Tank? (The Ecologist)

2500 lbs seems a bit heavy.  My old pickup truck only weighs
in at 2,600 lbs, empty.   With fiberglass and carbon fiber, it
should be possible to make one that's closer to 1,500lbs or
less including engine, everything.   Wonder if it might be
less weight to do a series electric drive system and get rid
of the transmission entirely.  A high frequency high
efficiency generator would operate from a fixed RPM operation
of the diesel engine, and a variable frequency drive would
directly drive each wheel.  No axles, driveshafts,
differential, gearbox, etc.  And the engine is still always
operated at the highest kWh/grams point.

Z

On 5/2/07, *Jason& Katie* <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:

i propose a new fuel economy goal. 100mpg @ 100mph!

any design ideas? i'm thinking a 4cyl UHC diesel engine
with at least 10
forward gears in a vehicle body weighing no more than 2500lbs.



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Re: [Biofuel] Australia hands over man to US courts

[Mike Weaver]

All of it.  Like Joseph Jenkins's book, with Linux, you can either do it 
yourself for free, or buy a DVD and support.
I personally like Macs, though I have to say Mr. Jobs has turned out to 
have feet of clay...


Keith Addison wrote:

>>Go Linux
>>
>>
>
>Why would I want to do that? That's for Windozers when they wake up, 
>not for Mac users when they fall asleep.
>
>(How much of that message did you actually read?)
>
>Keith
>
>
>  
>
>>Keith Addison wrote:
>>
>>
>>
BEFORE he was extradited to the United States, Hew Griffiths, from
Berkeley Vale in NSW, had never even set foot in America. But he had
pirated software produced by American companies.

Now, having been given up to the US by former justice minister Chris
Ellison, Griffiths, 44, is in a Virginia cell, facing up to 10 years in
an American prison after a guilty plea late last month.

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2007/05/06/1178390140855.html




>>>I guess by now we've all seen those heart-rending pictures of poor
>>>old Bill Gates sitting at the street corner in New York with his hat
>>>out on the pavement, poor feller, driven to pennilessness by
>>>dastardly software pirates. It's said 70 percent of all the software
>>>in use worldwide is pirated - but for these filthy criminals Bill
>>>could have had that money, instead of his paltry $20 billion, and he
>>>wouldn't be in this sad state that he's in now. Disgraceful - where's
>>>the law when you need it???
>>>
>>>This is a little difficult to explain though:
>>>
>>>http://www.josephjenkins.com/books_humanure.html
>>>Joseph Jenkins, Inc. - The Humanure Handbook
>>>
>>>This is where Joseph Jenkins sells hard-copies of his popular
>>>Humanure Handbook online at his web store. Scroll down a little and
>>>you'll find these links:
>>>
>>>$25.00 US -- BUY NOW or read the book free on the web.
>>>
>>>And:
>>>
>>>Buy a Book Now
>>>Read the Book for Free
>>>BUY IT ON AMAZON.COM
>>>
>>>Read the Book for Free:
>>>http://jenkinspublishing.com/humanure_contents.html
>>>Joseph Jenkins, Inc. - Humanure Handbook Table of Contents
>>>
>>>Full text, free online.
>>>
>>>He's been doing that for at least seven years now, and he's not the
>>>only one. Yet the book's sold 30,000 copies, not bad going. No way to
>>>know, but I'd bet that if he didn't give it away for nothing online
>>>he wouldn't have sold so many.
>>>
>>>This crap about software piracy always reminds me of a restaurant
>>>owner I used to know in Hong Kong. I dropped in at his place for some
>>>coffee one afternoon during an economic crisis, the property market
>>>had crashed, quite a few folks went out of business and so on.
>>>"How're you doing?" I asked him.
>>>
>>>"Terrible!" he answered. "I'm losing 20,000 dollars a day!" [USD1=HKD8]
>>>
>>>It turned out that before the crash he'd been making $60,000 a day,
>>>but now he was only making $40,000 a day.
>>>
>>>But I wonder if so many copies of Windoze etc would have been sold
>>>but for all the pirating?
>>>
>>>Best
>>>
>>>Keith
>>>  
>>>
>
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[Biofuel] More news about local biofuel production -- its catching on!

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/6634221.stm


Coconut oil powers island's cars
By Phil Mercer
BBC News, Sydney 

They are developing mini-refineries that produce a coconut oil that can replace 
diesel.

>From police officers to priests, the locals are powering up their vehicles and 
>generators with coco-fuel.

Inquiries for the coconut power have come in from overseas, including Iran and 
Europe.

For years, the people of Bougainville have been dependent on expensive fuel 
imported onto the island.

Shortages have often caused many businesses in this part of Papua New Guinea to 
grind to a halt. High energy costs have not helped either.

Increasingly, locals are turning to a cheaper and far more sustainable 
alternative to diesel. Coconut oil is being produced at a growing number of 
backyard refineries.

Matthias Horn, a German migrant and an engineer, operates one such refinery.

"They sometimes refer to me as the Mad German because how can you do that to 
your car... filling it with some coconut juice that you normally fry your fish 
in," he said.

"The coconut tree is a beautiful tree. Doesn't it sound good if you really run 
your car on something which falls off a tree and that's the good thing about 
it. You run your car and it smells nice and it's environmentally friendly and 
that's the main thing."

Mr Horn said his work had attracted interest from Iran.

Refineries like his also produce oils for cooking and cosmetics as well as soap.

Coconut power is not new in Bougainville.

The island endured years of civil unrest in which thousands of people were 
killed in a fight for independence in the 1990s. Dwindling supplies of diesel 
forced islanders to look for alternatives and the coconut was chosen.

In peacetime, new technology is propelling this sweet-smelling industry to 
greater heights. 

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Re: [Biofuel] Australia hands over man to US courts

[Keith Addison]

>Go Linux

Why would I want to do that? That's for Windozers when they wake up, 
not for Mac users when they fall asleep.

(How much of that message did you actually read?)

Keith


>Keith Addison wrote:
>
> >>BEFORE he was extradited to the United States, Hew Griffiths, from
> >>Berkeley Vale in NSW, had never even set foot in America. But he had
> >>pirated software produced by American companies.
> >>
> >>Now, having been given up to the US by former justice minister Chris
> >>Ellison, Griffiths, 44, is in a Virginia cell, facing up to 10 years in
> >>an American prison after a guilty plea late last month.
> >>
> >>http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2007/05/06/1178390140855.html
> >>
> >>
> >
> >I guess by now we've all seen those heart-rending pictures of poor
> >old Bill Gates sitting at the street corner in New York with his hat
> >out on the pavement, poor feller, driven to pennilessness by
> >dastardly software pirates. It's said 70 percent of all the software
> >in use worldwide is pirated - but for these filthy criminals Bill
> >could have had that money, instead of his paltry $20 billion, and he
> >wouldn't be in this sad state that he's in now. Disgraceful - where's
> >the law when you need it???
> >
> >This is a little difficult to explain though:
> >
> >http://www.josephjenkins.com/books_humanure.html
> >Joseph Jenkins, Inc. - The Humanure Handbook
> >
> >This is where Joseph Jenkins sells hard-copies of his popular
> >Humanure Handbook online at his web store. Scroll down a little and
> >you'll find these links:
> >
> >$25.00 US -- BUY NOW or read the book free on the web.
> >
> >And:
> >
> >Buy a Book Now
> >Read the Book for Free
> >BUY IT ON AMAZON.COM
> >
> >Read the Book for Free:
> >http://jenkinspublishing.com/humanure_contents.html
> >Joseph Jenkins, Inc. - Humanure Handbook Table of Contents
> >
> >Full text, free online.
> >
> >He's been doing that for at least seven years now, and he's not the
> >only one. Yet the book's sold 30,000 copies, not bad going. No way to
> >know, but I'd bet that if he didn't give it away for nothing online
> >he wouldn't have sold so many.
> >
> >This crap about software piracy always reminds me of a restaurant
> >owner I used to know in Hong Kong. I dropped in at his place for some
> >coffee one afternoon during an economic crisis, the property market
> >had crashed, quite a few folks went out of business and so on.
> >"How're you doing?" I asked him.
> >
> >"Terrible!" he answered. "I'm losing 20,000 dollars a day!" [USD1=HKD8]
> >
> >It turned out that before the crash he'd been making $60,000 a day,
> >but now he was only making $40,000 a day.
> >
> >But I wonder if so many copies of Windoze etc would have been sold
> >but for all the pirating?
> >
> >Best
> >
> >Keith


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[Biofuel] climate permitting replace the highest scoreing with home grown

[Kirk McLoren]

 
  
http://www.mercola.com/2006/nov/28/the-dirty-dozen-fruits-and-vegetables-containing-the-most-pesticides.htm
  Remember that the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) considers 60 percent 
of herbicides, 90 percent of fungicides and 30 percent of insecticides to be 
carcinogenic. 
   
   
  http://www.foodnews.org/walletguide.php
   
  The Full List: 43 Fruits & VeggiesRANK
FRUIT OR VEGGIE
SCORE
  1 (worst)
Peaches
100 (highest pesticide load)
  2
Apples
89
  3
Sweet Bell Peppers
86
  4
Celery
85
  5
Nectarines
84
  6
Strawberries
82
  7
Cherries
75
  8
Pears
65
  9
Grapes - Imported
65
  10
Spinach
60
  11
Lettuce
59
  12
Potatoes
58
  13
Carrots
57
  14
Green Beans
53
  15
Hot Peppers
53
  16
Cucumbers
52
  17
Raspberries
47
  18
Plums
45
  19
Grapes - Domestic
43
  20
Oranges
42
  21
Grapefruit
40
  22
Tangerine
38
  23
Mushrooms
37
  24
Cantaloupe
34
  25
Honeydew Melon
31
  26
Tomatoes
30
  27
Sweet Potatoes
30
  28
Watermelon
28
  29
Winter Squash
27
  30
Cauliflower
27
  31
Blueberries
24
  32
Papaya
21
  33
Broccoli
18
  34
Cabbage
17
  35
Bananas
16
  36
Kiwi
14
  37
Sweet peas - frozen
11
  38
Asparagus
11
  39
Mango
9
  40
Pineapples
7
  41
Sweet Corn - frozen
2
  42
Avocado
1
  43 (best)
Onions
1 (lowest pesticide load)

  Note: We ranked a total of 43 different fruits and vegetables but grapes are 
listed twice because we looked at both domestic and imported samples.

   
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Re: [Biofuel] Australia hands over man to US courts

[Joe Street]

"Givit away Givit away Givit away Givit away now"- Red Hot Chili Peppers

Joe

Keith Addison wrote:

snip

>
>This is a little difficult to explain though:
>
>http://www.josephjenkins.com/books_humanure.html
>Joseph Jenkins, Inc. - The Humanure Handbook
>
>This is where Joseph Jenkins sells hard-copies of his popular 
>Humanure Handbook online at his web store. Scroll down a little and 
>you'll find these links:
>
>$25.00 US -- BUY NOW or read the book free on the web.
>
>And:
>
>Buy a Book Now
>Read the Book for Free
>BUY IT ON AMAZON.COM
> 
>Read the Book for Free:
>http://jenkinspublishing.com/humanure_contents.html
>Joseph Jenkins, Inc. - Humanure Handbook Table of Contents
>
>Full text, free online.
>
>He's been doing that for at least seven years now, and he's not the 
>only one. Yet the book's sold 30,000 copies, not bad going. No way to 
>know, but I'd bet that if he didn't give it away for nothing online 
>he wouldn't have sold so many.
>
>This crap about software piracy always reminds me of a restaurant 
>owner I used to know in Hong Kong. I dropped in at his place for some 
>coffee one afternoon during an economic crisis, the property market 
>had crashed, quite a few folks went out of business and so on. 
>"How're you doing?" I asked him.
>
>"Terrible!" he answered. "I'm losing 20,000 dollars a day!" [USD1=HKD8]
>
>It turned out that before the crash he'd been making $60,000 a day, 
>but now he was only making $40,000 a day.
>
>But I wonder if so many copies of Windoze etc would have been sold 
>but for all the pirating?
>
>Best
>
>Keith
>
>  
>


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Re: [Biofuel] Australia hands over man to US courts

[Mike Weaver]

Go Linux

Keith Addison wrote:

>>BEFORE he was extradited to the United States, Hew Griffiths, from
>>Berkeley Vale in NSW, had never even set foot in America. But he had
>>pirated software produced by American companies.
>>
>>Now, having been given up to the US by former justice minister Chris
>>Ellison, Griffiths, 44, is in a Virginia cell, facing up to 10 years in
>>an American prison after a guilty plea late last month.
>>
>>http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2007/05/06/1178390140855.html
>>
>>
>
>I guess by now we've all seen those heart-rending pictures of poor 
>old Bill Gates sitting at the street corner in New York with his hat 
>out on the pavement, poor feller, driven to pennilessness by 
>dastardly software pirates. It's said 70 percent of all the software 
>in use worldwide is pirated - but for these filthy criminals Bill 
>could have had that money, instead of his paltry $20 billion, and he 
>wouldn't be in this sad state that he's in now. Disgraceful - where's 
>the law when you need it???
>
>This is a little difficult to explain though:
>
>http://www.josephjenkins.com/books_humanure.html
>Joseph Jenkins, Inc. - The Humanure Handbook
>
>This is where Joseph Jenkins sells hard-copies of his popular 
>Humanure Handbook online at his web store. Scroll down a little and 
>you'll find these links:
>
>$25.00 US -- BUY NOW or read the book free on the web.
>
>And:
>
>Buy a Book Now
>Read the Book for Free
>BUY IT ON AMAZON.COM
> 
>Read the Book for Free:
>http://jenkinspublishing.com/humanure_contents.html
>Joseph Jenkins, Inc. - Humanure Handbook Table of Contents
>
>Full text, free online.
>
>He's been doing that for at least seven years now, and he's not the 
>only one. Yet the book's sold 30,000 copies, not bad going. No way to 
>know, but I'd bet that if he didn't give it away for nothing online 
>he wouldn't have sold so many.
>
>This crap about software piracy always reminds me of a restaurant 
>owner I used to know in Hong Kong. I dropped in at his place for some 
>coffee one afternoon during an economic crisis, the property market 
>had crashed, quite a few folks went out of business and so on. 
>"How're you doing?" I asked him.
>
>"Terrible!" he answered. "I'm losing 20,000 dollars a day!" [USD1=HKD8]
>
>It turned out that before the crash he'd been making $60,000 a day, 
>but now he was only making $40,000 a day.
>
>But I wonder if so many copies of Windoze etc would have been sold 
>but for all the pirating?
>
>Best
>
>Keith
>
>
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