Re: [Biofuel] WVO in PA, USA
Keith Addison wrote: Keith Addison wrote: I'm having a hard time finding WVO. I need 500 Gallons per month and I'm tired of driving around and fighting for oil at every restaurant within 10 miles. I've found other companies in other states that sell and deliver larger quantities but nothing close to home. I'm just outside of Philadelphia - has anyone heard or run into such an animal. Thanks, Roger Why do you need so much oil? That should be enough for 12 people. This is the US Keith :) Yes, Chip, I know. :-) But it just doesn't wash. Heh, Yeah, I was just stirring the pot. Mostly anyway. I also come from a big country, not that big, but big enough, so I know something about it. I quite often used to drive 1,000 miles each way for the weekend, or 400 each way for a different weekend. In an 850cc Mini, foot flat all the way at 80 mph, and not very much gas used. (I'm not small, 6ft 2in.) Japan's a big country too, in its way, narrow but long. Where you guys need a 6.8 litre F250 truck the Japanese use little 660cc K-trucks, for just about everything, very economical, tough and capable. Oh, how I know it! Fellow up in my hometown, (that place that is 127miles from where I work?) has a bunch of K-trucks. It's funny, because EVERYONE loves them, everyone wants'em. But since their road-legal-ness is suspect, and they don't haul down the Interstates at 80+mph they get dismissed. In order to import them them to the US, they have to be governed to max speed of 25mph. It's kinda silly all in all. There are special classes of vehicles that some states allow to be operated on state highways and road with a posted speed limit of 45mph or less. the K-truck would fit this nicely. It's just too radical an idea, for now, for the US. I love tiny vehicles. Love them. The smallest car I ever had was a Fiat 650. But as you know, there are much smaller cars than that. When I lived in Germany in the mid-80s, for a while I had a Citroen deux chevaux, which relative to some things, was pretty big. I could use it on the Autobahn, legally. it was capable of hitting 130kph. What I wanted was a Renault 4 Fourgonnette (box van) like a buddy of mine had. a fellow I used to play darts with had one of those bmw isetta 600s, the 'big' Isetta :) As you probably know however, seems that a lot of Americans greatly enjoy hammering down the road in 3+ton gvw SUVs while jabbering on cellphones and slamming into one another. Simply put, Yer old 660 mini wouldn't be safe here, not in this part of the country, with it's traffic density, and complete disregard for all road use courtesy. I still have a saab sonett that I quit driving a few years because I could not longer enjoy it. Got rid of my last VW rabbit (the real rabbit, the G1 golf) at about the same time, bought a '98 subaru legacy outback hoping to survive the eventual altercation with a Ford Excursion or Chevy Tahoe. Good 4x4 too, not easy to get stuck in a K-truck. They're real trucks, but miniaturised, not made-over cars. I don't think Japan would work very well without its K-trucks, I can see it sort of slowly grinding to a halt. There are K-cars too, all the K-vehicles have low taxes to encourage people to buy them. Well, my father -who was part of the first occupation- spent his formative years in Japan, and since he arrived there at the age of 18, and stayed for a while, fell deeply in love with the place and the people. One of those sailors who 'went native'. Anyway, that's staggeringly long story, the germane bit is that the last time he was there, was about 20 years ago. His idea of a good time, was to go down to the fish market at about 4am, and sit back across from it, and wait, and watch. He just loved watching all the little vehicles, and of course, -being a seafood biologist- and the market. As he put it, there was no such thing as a vehicle so small that there wasn't a smaller one that could pull up and park between two of them. :) Of course, he also bought his first VW beetle in 62, and loved small cars. His last car before he stopped driving was an old diesel dasher, that got over 50mpg, and had over 360k miles on it. I wonder if your F250s accomplish that much more work than Japan's K-trucks do (let alone 10 times as much work, since they're 10 times as big), and what the real costs might be per unit of work accomplished in each case, or some such efficiency comparison. I've no idea where to find such data, if anywhere, but it might be a surprise. No to me. On the leading point, since I hardly use mine, it's almost a moot point. On the overall point, since it's road legal, I can use it, more or less safely. It's a 85 6.9 mechanical idi, not a 6.8. So at least I can work on it. It's a good truck. But were things just a little different, I'd gladly trade back down to my preferred truck; a suzuki long-bed F-413 pickup. Can't get those here. You see a few lwb 410s around, but they are
[Biofuel] soap titration
I don't think I've seen anything on this aspect, and as I'm kind of new to make BD, I don' t know if knowing how much soap you're producing would help correct the problem or not, but the place I get my isopropanol from has a link now mentioning soap titration, so I thought I'd share. http://www.sciencecompany.com/biodiesel/index.htm -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20080620/616b0951/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] How to make hybrid corn seed ?
Hi Peter They're called HYVs, High Yielding Varieties, but other people who weren't trying to sell the idea soon started calling them HRVs, high-response varieties, since they were bred for their response to the chemical fertiliser and pesticide package they came with. Various studies found that the traditional varieties, the local heritage crops, non-hybrids, could perform just as well as the HYVs in an organic system using lots of good compost, without any of the chemical support. Added advantages were that the farmers could go on saving their own seeds: the hybrids don't breed true, farmers had to keep buying seeds for the next crop from the seed and chemicals corporations. Also it preserved crop biodiversity, which the hybrids eroded, often replacing hundreds of traditional local varieties with a single monocrop. Weirdly, the HYVs depended on the traditional varieties they were destroying to provide germplasm for new hybrid varieties, because the HYVs only lasted a few years before the pests got them anyway, chemicals or not, and had to be replaced. The process represents a paradox in social and economic development in that the product of technology [the new seeds] displaces the resource upon which the technology is based. -- US National Academy of Sciences This genetic erosion could be the reason you're puzzled about where to get A strain and B strain - vanished, in a bowl of porridge: http://journeytoforever.org/keith_riceseed.html The traditional varieties are usually much tougher and more resistant than the HYVs, and the HYVs are often poor in nutritional quality - you get twice as much of half as little, or less. Traditional varieties provide much better food security than HYVs. The Green Revolution yield increases didn't last that long either. You probably don't need them, home-made or not. We're going to need all the crop varieties we can find. Finding sources of threatened or vanishing local varieties and restoring them is noble work. Best Keith Hi All ; We all hear about the green revolution and hybrid vigor which increases yeilds. Does anyone know how to make hybrid corn seeds? Is anyone doing this? In other words, I have read how to make hybrid seeds by planting alternating rows of corn with the two different strains, lets call them A strain and B strain. Then you can control the pollination by cutting off tassles etc. Then you need seperate areas to grow the pure A strain and pure B strain seperately for planting the next seed crop. So far so good. Now my question is this : Where do you get the A strain and B strain? Can any strain work? Is anyone doing this? If not, any reason why not? Any recommendations for strains to try? Seems to me this would give you hybrid vigor and also independence. Best Regards, Peter G. Thailand ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] The Secret Campaign of Bush's Administration To Deny Global warming
Thanks, good piece. Here's the url: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/15148655/the_secret_campaign_of_president_bushs_administration_to_deny_global_warming Slide show, Inside the Bush Administration's Denial Campaign Against Climate Change: http://www.rollingstone.com/nationalaffairs/index.php/2007/06/21/slide-show-inside-the-bush-administrations-denial-campaign-against-climate-change/ Best Keith The Secret Campaign of Bush's Administration To Deny Global Warming This article is from the latest issue of Rolling Stone, on news stands until June 29th That's a big no. The president believes . . . that it should be the goal of policymakers to protect the American way of life. The American way of life is a blessed one. - Ari Fleischer, White House Press Secretary responding in May 2001 to whether Bush would ask Americans to curb their first-in-the- world energy consumption Earlier this year, the world's top climate scientists released a definitive report on global warming. It is now unequivocal, they concluded, that the planet is heating up. Humans are directly responsible for the planetary heat wave, and only by taking immediate action can the world avert a climate catastrophe. Megadroughts, raging wildfires, decimated forests, dengue fever, legions of Katrinas - unless humans act now to curb our climate-warming pollution, warned the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, we are in deep trouble. snip ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] WVO in PA, USA
Hello Roger Thanks for the reply. A combination...My F250 Diesel, Oil Heat, My father's F250, and some for the neighbor's house. Four users then, averaging enough for three people each (who also use too much). I suppose the 500 Gallons is a winter number - maybe 300 gallons in the summer to support the lot of us. I go through about 250 gallons a month myself (in the winter). That's only 1 tank per week in the truck (26 gal). Um, 1 tank per week in the truck (26 gal) is about 104 gallons a month, not 250 gallons a month. Is the 104 gallons a month your summer rate? Why would you use more than twice as much in the winter? If that's what you're saying? Plus I have a few friends asking for any surplus I have. Currently, I'm only acquiring about 100 gallons a month, which is more hassle than I imagined. Between driving up to 30 minutes away and then trying to get the sludge from the good stuff, it doesn't seem worth it compared to over $5 a gal for diesel and heating oil is right behind at $4.69. So it's 100 gallons a month, or less (sludge), not 300 or 500. I wonder how much you actually use. What do you do with the sludge? If you're using 104 gallons a month, that's 1,248 gallons a year, 2.5 times the national average, and you're covering 22,500 miles a year, about twice the national average. If you're using 250 gallons a month, that's 3,000 gallons a year, six times the national average, and you're covering 54,000 miles a year, 4.5 times the national average. I don't think anyone pretends the national average is exactly energy efficient, let alone sustainable, or not anyone who's sane anyway. You use either 4 times or 10 times as much fuel as we do. Why do you drive so much? For how many of those 22,500 miles a year or 54,000 miles a year is your F250 actually carrying a load that justifies its existence? Do you drive alone or do you share? How many miles could you do just as well in a 1980s VW Golf that gets 50 mpg? How many could you do just as well without? If WVO weren't cheaper than petro would your mileage be the same? What might your mileage be if you couldn't get enough WVO and the gas price hit $10 and the methanol price went up too? Or with gas at $15, or $20? And what's it got to do with me? :-) Best Keith Keith Addison wrote: Keith Addison wrote: I'm having a hard time finding WVO. I need 500 Gallons per month and I'm tired of driving around and fighting for oil at every restaurant within 10 miles. I've found other companies in other states that sell and deliver larger quantities but nothing close to home. I'm just outside of Philadelphia - has anyone heard or run into such an animal. Thanks, Roger Why do you need so much oil? That should be enough for 12 people. This is the US Keith :) Yes, Chip, I know. :-) But it just doesn't wash. I also come from a big country, not that big, but big enough, so I know something about it. I quite often used to drive 1,000 miles each way for the weekend, or 400 each way for a different weekend. In an 850cc Mini, foot flat all the way at 80 mph, and not very much gas used. (I'm not small, 6ft 2in.) Japan's a big country too, in its way, narrow but long. Where you guys need a 6.8 litre F250 truck the Japanese use little 660cc K-trucks, for just about everything, very economical, tough and capable. Good 4x4 too, not easy to get stuck in a K-truck. They're real trucks, but miniaturised, not made-over cars. I don't think Japan would work very well without its K-trucks, I can see it sort of slowly grinding to a halt. There are K-cars too, all the K-vehicles have low taxes to encourage people to buy them. I wonder if your F250s accomplish that much more work than Japan's K-trucks do (let alone 10 times as much work, since they're 10 times as big), and what the real costs might be per unit of work accomplished in each case, or some such efficiency comparison. I've no idea where to find such data, if anywhere, but it might be a surprise. Anyway, the cases you describe don't seem to be typical for the US, according to these stats, source U.S. Department of Transportation: Average annual fuel consumed per vehicle (gallons) - Passenger car - 2005: 541 Average miles traveled per vehicle (thousands) - Passenger car: 12.4 http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0004727.html That's about what I thought, 12,000 miles a year, 500 gallons. So yes, Roger's 500 gallons a month should be enough for 12 people. I don't know, but I don't think he's in the same situation as you. He says he's just outside Philadelphia, he said before he works for a laboratory surplus equipment company, in Philadelphia I guess, though maybe not. So why does he need so much fuel? Interesting numbers at that infoplease page. Number of passenger cars registered 1960: 61,671,000 2005: 135,568,000 Did the US get twice as big in the
Re: [Biofuel] How to make hybrid corn seed ?
Hi All ; We all hear about the green revolution and hybrid vigor which increases yeilds. Does anyone know how to make hybrid corn seeds? Is anyone doing this? In other words, I have read how to make hybrid seeds by planting alternating rows of corn with the two different strains, lets call them A strain and B strain. Then you can control the pollination by cutting off tassles etc. Then you need seperate areas to grow the pure A strain and pure B strain seperately for planting the next seed crop. So far so good. Now my question is this : Where do you get the A strain and B strain? Can any strain work? Is anyone doing this? If not, any reason why not? Any recommendations for strains to try? Seems to me this would give you hybrid vigor and also independence. Best Regards, Peter G. Thailand Keith wrote: The traditional varieties are usually much tougher and more resistant than the HYVs, and the HYVs are often poor in nutritional quality - you get twice as much of half as little, or less. Traditional varieties provide much better food security than HYVs. The Green Revolution yield increases didn't last that long either. You probably don't need them, home-made or not. An analysis was done on hybrid and open pollinated corn, showing that the hybrids didn't take up nearly as much nutrients as the OP, in some cases the OP had as much as 90% more minerals than its hybrid counterpart. I'll post a link to that research if I can find it. Bernard ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
