Re: [Biofuel] Game theory trumps everything...

[bmolloy]

If the message is too strong, analyse, rationalize and talk it to death. I
think that's what we are in danger of doing there. Perhaps what we need is a
bit more information. Try this, be warned, any attempt to read the complete
article will wreck your day, hurt your head and leave you with a resolve to
watch only Fox News in future. If you insist, Google the following: 
 



If not, here is an extract.

The Destruction of a Modern Arab Civilization


"Independent, secular Iraq had the most advanced scientific-cultural order
in the Arab world, despite the repressive nature of Saddam Hussein's police
state. There was a system of national health care, universal public
education and generous welfare services, combined with unprecedented levels
of gender equality. This marked the advanced nature of Iraqi civilization in
the late 20th century. Separation of church and state and strict protection
of religious minorities (Christians, Assyrians and others) contrasts sharply
with what has resulted from the US occupation and its destruction of the
Iraqi civil and governmental structures. The harsh dictatorial rule of
Saddam Hussein thus presided over a highly developed modern civilization in
which advanced scientific work went hand in hand with a strong nationalist
and anti-imperialist identity. This resulted especially in the Iraqi people
and regime's expressions of solidarity for the plight of the Palestinian
people under Israeli rule and occupation.

A mere 'regime change' could not extirpate this deeply embedded and advanced
secular republican culture in Iraq. The US war planners and their Israeli
advisers were well aware that colonial occupation would increase Iraqi
nationalist consciousness unless the secular nation was destroyed and hence,
the imperial imperative to uproot and destroy the carriers of nationalist
consciousness by physically eliminating the educated, the talented, the
scientific, indeed the most secular elements of Iraqi society. Retrogression
became the principal instrument for the US to impose its colonial puppets,
with their primitive, 'pre-national' loyalties, in power in a culturally
purged Baghdad stripped of its most sophisticated and nationalistic social
strata.

According to the Al-Ahram Studies Center in Cairo, more that 310 Iraqi
scientists were eliminated during the first 18 months of the US occupation -
a figure that the Iraqi education ministry did not dispute.

Another report listed the killings of more than 340 intellectuals and
scientists between 2005 and 2007. Bombings of institutes of higher education
pushed enrolment down to 30% of the pre-invasion figures. In one bombing in
January 2007, at Baghdad's Mustansiriya University 70 students were killed
with hundreds wounded. These figures compelled the UNESCO to warn that
Iraq's university system was on the brink of collapse. The numbers of
prominent Iraqi scientists and professionals who have fled the country have
approached 20,000. Of the 6,700 Iraqi university professors who fled since
2003, the Los Angeles Times reported than only 150 had returned by October
2008. Despite the US claims of improved security, the situation in 2008 saw
numerous assassinations, including the only practicing neurosurgeon in
Iraq's second largest city of Basra, whose body was dumped on the city
streets.

The raw data on the Iraqi academics, scientists and professionals
assassinated by the US and allied occupation forces and the militias and
shadowy forces they control is drawn from a list published by the Pakistan
Daily News (www.daily.pk) on November 26, 2008. This list makes for very
uncomfortable reading, exposing as it does the systematic elimination of
intellectuals in Iraq under the meat-grinder of US occupation."



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Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Game theory trumps everything...

Or try a little hopelessness...

Weaponizing Psychology
Treating People Like Dogs
By Peter Chamberlin
August 24, 2009


>Hi Bob
>
>>The subject heading claims game theory trumps all.
>
>Freud said it was sex. :-)
>
>>Does that include our
>>valiant attempts here to wean ourselves off fossil fuel? Are we just
>>whistling in the dark while the game players manipulate us?
>
>It's scary stuff, but there's lots of scary stuff about these days,
>many different brands.
>
>IMHO it might help explain why Israel is being so overconfident and
>in-your-face, if their game theorists keep telling them they'll get
>away with it.
>
>Do they really get away with it?
>
>Meister games theorist Aumann won the Nobel Prize in 2005, and that's
>also about when the AIPAC/Israel Lobby/whatever started losing its
>death-grip on policy and public opinion in the US and the rest of the
>Western world. (Remember the "Oil and Israel" thread?) Meanwhile
>Jimmy Car

Re: [Biofuel] Game theory trumps everything...

[Keith Addison]

>The people that plan these things make projections based on their own reality.

If that's the word - their own unreality perhaps.

>When you try to manipulate people that dont share your version it is 
>easy to err.

Yes, indeed. Peter Chamberlin writes: "American planners would be 
well advised to take all of these psychological warfare programs that 
are based on exploiting and avoiding hopelessness a little less 
seriously. Perhaps they should further consult even more Israeli 
computer-modeling specialists 
( Aumann's Center for the 
Study of Rationality at the Hebrew University) and psychologists, to 
see how the computer-based psy-war programs of the IDF have 
worked-out so far. Both the 2006 invasion of Lebanon and last year's 
destruction of Gaza were based on projections made by these experts. 
Israel failed to decisively win either war and emerged from each of 
them with their world image darkly stained, the only attainments 
being a temporary weakening of their adversaries."

Why don't they just ask the marketing guys? What used to be called 
Madison Avenue does a lot better than this.

Best

Keith


>Kirk
>
>Never before have so many known so little about so much.
>
>
>--- On Tue, 8/25/09, Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>From: Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Game theory trumps everything...
>To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
>Date: Tuesday, August 25, 2009, 11:45 AM
>
>Or try a little hopelessness...
>
>Weaponizing Psychology
>Treating People Like Dogs
>By Peter Chamberlin
>August 24, 2009
>
>
>>Hi Bob
>>
>>>The subject heading claims game theory trumps all.
>>
>>Freud said it was sex. :-)
>>
>>>Does that include our
>>>valiant attempts here to wean ourselves off fossil fuel? Are we just
>>>whistling in the dark while the game players manipulate us?
>>
>>It's scary stuff, but there's lots of scary stuff about these days,
>>many different brands.
>>
>>IMHO it might help explain why Israel is being so overconfident and
>>in-your-face, if their game theorists keep telling them they'll get
>>away with it.
>>
>>Do they really get away with it?
>>
>>Meister games theorist Aumann won the Nobel Prize in 2005, and that's
>>also about when the AIPAC/Israel Lobby/whatever started losing its
>>death-grip on policy and public opinion in the US and the rest of the
>>Western world. (Remember the "Oil and Israel" thread?) Meanwhile
>>Jimmy Carter et al, Mearsheimer and Walt et al, and a rising tide of
>>critics have been joined by Jewish organisations in most Western
>>countries in opposing "colonial Zionism", the Western media publish
>>reports and views on Israel and Palestine that wouldn't have seen the
>>light of day five years ago, and the American public was (is) just as
>>outraged as everyone else by last year's attack on Gaza. And so on
>>and on, wherever you look, cracks in the concrete.
>>
>>Nonetheless, so far, they got away with it, they didn't have to pay
>>yet. Maybe the Israeli strategists share Dick Cheney's opinion of
>>public opinion. He didn't pay yet either. But would you like to be
>>Dick Cheney?
>>
>>Anyway, even if they really are both "winning" and getting away with
>>it, they're only sowing dragon's teeth.
>>
>>Manipulating us, I don't think so. Try this though...
>>
>>Manufacturing Poor People
>>By Vi Ransel
>>6/18/09
>>
>>
>>Best
>>
>>Keith
>>
>>
>>>How Israel Wages Game Theory
>>>>>re/>  Warfare
>>>
>  >  >  


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Re: [Biofuel] Game theory trumps everything...

[Kirk McLoren]

The people that plan these things make projections based on their own reality.
When you try to manipulate people that dont share your version it is easy to 
err.

Kirk



Never before have so many known so little about so much.


--- On Tue, 8/25/09, Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

From: Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Game theory trumps everything...
To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Date: Tuesday, August 25, 2009, 11:45 AM

Or try a little hopelessness...

Weaponizing Psychology
Treating People Like Dogs
By Peter Chamberlin
August 24, 2009
<http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article23355.htm>

>Hi Bob
>
>>The subject heading claims game theory trumps all.
>
>Freud said it was sex. :-)
>
>>Does that include our
>>valiant attempts here to wean ourselves off fossil fuel? Are we just
>>whistling in the dark while the game players manipulate us?
>
>It's scary stuff, but there's lots of scary stuff about these days,
>many different brands.
>
>IMHO it might help explain why Israel is being so overconfident and
>in-your-face, if their game theorists keep telling them they'll get
>away with it.
>
>Do they really get away with it?
>
>Meister games theorist Aumann won the Nobel Prize in 2005, and that's
>also about when the AIPAC/Israel Lobby/whatever started losing its
>death-grip on policy and public opinion in the US and the rest of the
>Western world. (Remember the "Oil and Israel" thread?) Meanwhile
>Jimmy Carter et al, Mearsheimer and Walt et al, and a rising tide of
>critics have been joined by Jewish organisations in most Western
>countries in opposing "colonial Zionism", the Western media publish
>reports and views on Israel and Palestine that wouldn't have seen the
>light of day five years ago, and the American public was (is) just as
>outraged as everyone else by last year's attack on Gaza. And so on
>and on, wherever you look, cracks in the concrete.
>
>Nonetheless, so far, they got away with it, they didn't have to pay
>yet. Maybe the Israeli strategists share Dick Cheney's opinion of
>public opinion. He didn't pay yet either. But would you like to be
>Dick Cheney?
>
>Anyway, even if they really are both "winning" and getting away with
>it, they're only sowing dragon's teeth.
>
>Manipulating us, I don't think so. Try this though...
>
>Manufacturing Poor People
>By Vi Ransel
>6/18/09
><http://thomaspainescorner.wordpress.com/2009/06/19/manufacturing-poor-people/>
>
>Best
>
>Keith
>
>
>>How Israel Wages Game Theory
>><http://intifada-palestine.com/2009/08/20/how-israel-wages-game-theory-warfa
>>re/>  Warfare
>>
>  >  <http://gerontios48.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/dove.jpg>


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Re: [Biofuel] Game theory trumps everything...

[Keith Addison]

Or try a little hopelessness...

Weaponizing Psychology
Treating People Like Dogs
By Peter Chamberlin
August 24, 2009


>Hi Bob
>
>>The subject heading claims game theory trumps all.
>
>Freud said it was sex. :-)
>
>>Does that include our
>>valiant attempts here to wean ourselves off fossil fuel? Are we just
>>whistling in the dark while the game players manipulate us?
>
>It's scary stuff, but there's lots of scary stuff about these days,
>many different brands.
>
>IMHO it might help explain why Israel is being so overconfident and
>in-your-face, if their game theorists keep telling them they'll get
>away with it.
>
>Do they really get away with it?
>
>Meister games theorist Aumann won the Nobel Prize in 2005, and that's
>also about when the AIPAC/Israel Lobby/whatever started losing its
>death-grip on policy and public opinion in the US and the rest of the
>Western world. (Remember the "Oil and Israel" thread?) Meanwhile
>Jimmy Carter et al, Mearsheimer and Walt et al, and a rising tide of
>critics have been joined by Jewish organisations in most Western
>countries in opposing "colonial Zionism", the Western media publish
>reports and views on Israel and Palestine that wouldn't have seen the
>light of day five years ago, and the American public was (is) just as
>outraged as everyone else by last year's attack on Gaza. And so on
>and on, wherever you look, cracks in the concrete.
>
>Nonetheless, so far, they got away with it, they didn't have to pay
>yet. Maybe the Israeli strategists share Dick Cheney's opinion of
>public opinion. He didn't pay yet either. But would you like to be
>Dick Cheney?
>
>Anyway, even if they really are both "winning" and getting away with
>it, they're only sowing dragon's teeth.
>
>Manipulating us, I don't think so. Try this though...
>
>Manufacturing Poor People
>By Vi Ransel
>6/18/09
>
>
>Best
>
>Keith
>
>
>>How Israel Wages Game Theory
>>>re/>  Warfare
>>
>  >  


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Re: [Biofuel] solar collector window

[Keith Addison]

Hi Jason

>  > I don't
>>  really know my way round solar stuff (yet - next stop maybe), so my
>>  sense of what smells right doesn't go very far.
>
>Keith,
>
>don't sell yourself short, solar is simple. you only really have two 
>options, transferring energy, or reflecting it. the only hangup is 
>PV uses expensive chemicals to do it.
>
>solar thermal
>solar steam (a little risky)
>reflective insulation (window quilts, etc.)
>solar refrigeration!!
>  http://www.solarmirror.com/www_jul01/fridge.html
>
>given the proper application of junk, baling wire, and good math, 
>anyone can do solar power, its not rocket surgery as the 
>professionals would like us to think.

I'm sure you're right. I just haven't done it yet, no hands-on 
experience, I literally don't have a "feel" for it. Coming soon 
though, lots of applications for solar (but not here or now). 
Interesting discussion, meanwhile.

>if everybody realized how simple it was the "pros" would be out of 
>work- just like anything else.

:-)

>as you say "Follow the money."

Indeed.

Thanks - all best

Keith

>jason


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Re: [Biofuel] Game theory trumps everything...

[Keith Addison]

Hi Bob

>The subject heading claims game theory trumps all.

Freud said it was sex. :-)

>Does that include our
>valiant attempts here to wean ourselves off fossil fuel? Are we just
>whistling in the dark while the game players manipulate us?

It's scary stuff, but there's lots of scary stuff about these days, 
many different brands.

IMHO it might help explain why Israel is being so overconfident and 
in-your-face, if their game theorists keep telling them they'll get 
away with it.

Do they really get away with it?

Meister games theorist Aumann won the Nobel Prize in 2005, and that's 
also about when the AIPAC/Israel Lobby/whatever started losing its 
death-grip on policy and public opinion in the US and the rest of the 
Western world. (Remember the "Oil and Israel" thread?) Meanwhile 
Jimmy Carter et al, Mearsheimer and Walt et al, and a rising tide of 
critics have been joined by Jewish organisations in most Western 
countries in opposing "colonial Zionism", the Western media publish 
reports and views on Israel and Palestine that wouldn't have seen the 
light of day five years ago, and the American public was (is) just as 
outraged as everyone else by last year's attack on Gaza. And so on 
and on, wherever you look, cracks in the concrete.

Nonetheless, so far, they got away with it, they didn't have to pay 
yet. Maybe the Israeli strategists share Dick Cheney's opinion of 
public opinion. He didn't pay yet either. But would you like to be 
Dick Cheney?

Anyway, even if they really are both "winning" and getting away with 
it, they're only sowing dragon's teeth.

Manipulating us, I don't think so. Try this though...

Manufacturing Poor People
By Vi Ransel
6/18/09


Best

Keith


>How Israel Wages Game Theory
>re/>  Warfare
>
>  


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