Re: [Biofuel] Purity of KOH
Hi everyone My wife and I worked on titration until pretty late last night, at least late for me. I am a morning person and I pruned and thinned a massive area of Piñon Cedar wood and then loaded it prior to beginning our first titration of WVO. I say this because I'd rather not have people telling me I am not tip-top with my labwork. Tired is all. Anyway, yesterday evening we finally had all of the equipment and chemicals in place. Saturday morning, I did some test runs using the TI-83 Vernier LabPro Data logger. It is the Vernier Data Logger that is the most useful of the two for our needs. It has a USB interface and the data logger software was easy enough to figure out. I started out with the stainless-steel temperature sensor as we have a decent thermometer to check against. Very nice readout on the screen and easy to understand. I then removed the pH sensor from its soaking bath bottle. We set it in tap water first and got a pH reading of 7.5, rinsed it in distilled water and gently cleaned it with a paper towel, next dipping the sensor end in fresh distilled water, pH 7. With readings of that which we could expect, we then moved on to basic titration. If you all will bear with me a moment, I do have some questions. I will intertwine my questions right into the JtF web site directions for basic titration. Our hope is to clarify these directions for ourselves and for other newbies as well. We believe that there are several statements found here and in the email list which are contradictory at best. Basic titration An electronic pH meter is best, but you can also use pH test strips (or litmus paper), or phenolphthalein solution (from a chemicals supplier). I suggest sorting the test equipment according to preference. We were ridiculed for using litmus paper. Why list it second if it is preferred as a third choice? Phenolphthalein sounds very interesting. Why not give more information on the setup and use of this test? Yes we followed the links. Dissolve 1 gram of lye in 1 liter of distilled or de-ionized water (0.1% w/v lye solution). Here, according to JtF, we are in the absolute most important first step Titration, which a newbie is going to perform! Standard procedure in all technical writing as far as I am aware it to define all abbreviations Why throw out a statement like: (0.1% w/v lye solution) and not simply define (w/v?) This is making an already completely new process unnecessarily cloudy in the mind of the newbies. Ok, this is the second sentence in a half page description of how to do the most important step in making biodiesel. In a smaller beaker, dissolve 1 ml of dewatered WVO oil in 10 ml of pure isopropyl alcohol. Warm the beaker gently by standing it in some hot water, stir until all the oil dissolves in the alcohol and the mixture turns clear. Add 2 drops of phenolphthalein solution. Smaller beaker than what? WVO oil is redundant. Again, if the pH Meter is the best tool and listed first in the sentence above, why are we jumping back to phenolphthalein? If this is the preferred test, why not say so in the first sentence? Using a graduated syringe, add the 0.1% lye solution drop by drop to the oil-alcohol-phenolphthalein solution, stirring all the time. It might turn a bit cloudy, keep stirring. Keep on carefully adding the lye solution until the solution stays pink (actually magenta) for 15 seconds. See above. We are using a continuous readout pH meter. What is the pH we are looking for here! Yes Keith, layered information is great, but why push it when it is unnecessary? We are jumping all over the place in order to do one simple step. Different methods are combined in the same paragraph. This could be the reason newbies are confused. Take the number of milliliters of 0.1% lye solution you used and add 3.5 (the basic amount of lye needed for virgin oil). This is the number of grams of lye you'll need per liter of oil. Sheesh, I am sorry, but I have a question about every sentence in this basic titration. Take the number of milliliters of 0.1% lye solution you used and add 3.5 ?? This is sloppy writing. Are you saying add a number of milliliters to 3.5 grams? If it took 1.6 mL of lye solution then are we supposed to add 1.6 g to 3.5 g? I don't think so. How about a formula here? It would be clearer if you stated all of the proper terms, weight, volume, etc. No wonder so many questions appear on the email list about titration. With a pH meter or test strips, use the same procedure without adding the phenolphthalein. Add the 0.1% lye solution drop by drop as before until the pH reaches 8.5. Duh! Why not just add this value to the sentence above to aid the newbies who are learning the procedure and keep them from jumping around. Also, please be consistent with the numbers throughout the directions. A pH of 8.5 is mentioned and then a pH of 8-9 is mentioned. This leads one to believe it does not really need to be exact. I know it is difficult for many folks to take
[Biofuel] Scientific method- Titration
Hi everyone My wife and I worked on titration until pretty late last night, at least late for me. I am a morning person and I pruned and thinned a massive area of Piñon Cedar wood and then loaded it prior to beginning our first titration of WVO. I say this because I'd rather not have people telling me I am not tip-top with my labwork. Tired is all. Anyway, yesterday evening we finally had most of the equipment and chemicals in place. Saturday morning, I did some test runs using the TI-83 Vernier LabPro Data logger. It is the Vernier Data Logger that is the most useful of the two for our needs. It has a USB interface and the data logger software was easy enough to figure out. I started out with the stainless-steel temperature sensor as we have a decent thermometer to check against. Very nice readout on the screen and easy to understand. I then removed the pH sensor from its soaking bath bottle. We set it in tap water first and got a pH reading of 7.5, rinsed it in distilled water and gently cleaned it with a paper towel, next dipping the sensor end in fresh distilled water, pH 7. With readings of that which we could expect, we then moved on to basic titration. If you all will bear with me a moment, I do have some questions. I will intertwine my questions right into the JtF web site directions for basic titration. Our hope is to clarify these directions for ourselves and for other newbies as well. We believe that there are several statements found here and in the email list which are contradictory at best. Basic titration An electronic pH meter is best, but you can also use pH test strips (or litmus paper), or phenolphthalein solution (from a chemicals supplier). I suggest sorting the test equipment according to preference. We were ridiculed for using litmus paper. Why list it second if it is preferred as a third choice? Phenolphthalein sounds very interesting. Why not give more information on the setup and use of this test? Yes we followed the links. Dissolve 1 gram of lye in 1 liter of distilled or de-ionized water (0.1% w/v lye solution). Here, according to JtF, we are in the absolute most important first step Titration, which a newbie is going to perform! Standard procedure in all technical writing as far as I am aware it to define all abbreviations Why throw out a statement like: (0.1% w/v lye solution) and not simply define (w/v?) This is making an already completely new process unnecessarily cloudy in the mind of the newbies. Ok, this is the second sentence in a half page description of how to do the most important step in making biodiesel. In a smaller beaker, dissolve 1 ml of dewatered WVO oil in 10 ml of pure isopropyl alcohol. Warm the beaker gently by standing it in some hot water, stir until all the oil dissolves in the alcohol and the mixture turns clear. Add 2 drops of phenolphthalein solution. Smaller beaker than what? WVO oil is redundant. Again, if the pH Meter is the best tool and listed first in the sentence above, why are we jumping back to phenolphthalein? If this is the preferred test, why not say so in the first sentence? Using a graduated syringe, add the 0.1% lye solution drop by drop to the oil-alcohol-phenolphthalein solution, stirring all the time. It might turn a bit cloudy, keep stirring. Keep on carefully adding the lye solution until the solution stays pink (actually magenta) for 15 seconds. See above. We are using a continuous readout pH meter. What is the pH we are looking for here! Yes Keith, layered information is great, but why push it when it is unnecessary? We are jumping all over the place in order to do one simple step. Different methods are combined in the same paragraph. This could be the reason newbies are confused. Take the number of milliliters of 0.1% lye solution you used and add 3.5 (the basic amount of lye needed for virgin oil). This is the number of grams of lye you'll need per liter of oil. Sheesh, I am sorry, but I have a question about every sentence in this basic titration. Take the number of milliliters of 0.1% lye solution you used and add 3.5 ?? This is sloppy writing. Are you saying add a number of milliliters to 3.5 grams? If it took 1.6 mL of lye solution then are we supposed to add 1.6 g to 3.5 g? I don't think so. How about a formula here? It would be clearer if you stated all of the proper terms, weight, volume, etc. No wonder so many questions appear on the email list about titration. With a pH meter or test strips, use the same procedure without adding the phenolphthalein. Add the 0.1% lye solution drop by drop as before until the pH reaches 8.5. Duh! Why not just add this value to the sentence above to aid the newbies who are learning the procedure and keep them from jumping around. Also, please be consistent with the numbers throughout the directions. A pH of 8.5 is mentioned and then a pH of 8-9 is mentioned. This leads one to believe it does not really need to be exact. I know it is difficult for many folks to take
Re: [Biofuel] Combustion
A fascinating and erudite article on combustion. According to Biodiesel.org, available studies show that diesels running on biodiesel produce 75% to 85% less PAHs than diesels running on petrodiesel. This information is supported in much more technical terms in a study published on the Journey to Forever website- http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/UCDavisSumm.html On an undieselish note, I believe that the comparison of metabolization of glucose to combustion is a loose anology at best. Our bodies utilize a complex, seventy+ step process known as the Krebs cycle to break the chemical bonds of glucose and use the energy thus released to attach a phosphate molecule to adenosine diphosphate, making adenosine triphosphate or ATP which then fuels our biological activity. My college biology instructor claimed that the role of oxygen in this process was more to act as transport agent to remove carbon from the body in the form of CO2 rather than to combust in the way that the term is commonly understood. Not being a biochemist, this simplistic overview exhausts the limits of my knowledge on the subject, but I feel fairly confident in saying that the Krebs cycle is both different in character and much more elaborate that what goes on in a match flame. In a match flame, energy is released in the form of heat and light. In the Krebs cycle, energy is not released so much as transferred to an ATP molecule in order to store energy for later use by the cells. Granted, both processes involve the oxidization of the carbon. The Krebs cycle is near and dear to me. It was, according to my dear wife, my helping her understand the Krebs cycle for an upcoming college exam despite the fact that I was fairly well under the influence that won her heart on our first date. Regards, Lee ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] World's smallest car
cool now we are on our way to transport nano mechanics on site for repairs. Brian Rodgers ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] methoxide solution - missing scale
Thanks everyone for the replies. Yes it is a Ti-83 with a Vernier LabPro attachment. This is only the second time I have had it out of the box so I still know little about how to use it. Today I have two other projects I need to do while daylight is burning. First I have harvested two dozen beautiful cedar posts from our forest. In an attempt to get our ranch more sustainable I will be making more products from our main resource, trees. I have been using an old timey draw knife to debark the cedar posts. This is unheard of around here, most of the ranchers now use steel posts. Steel posts are imported to this part of the US and for all I know they all come from China. The heck with that. Back when the ranchers did use wooden posts here in the southwest unpeeled cedar posts were employed. Cedar is a great wood for posts as it has lasting qualities not found in other wood found locally. We have found that the wood borers like to get under the bark and begin to deteriorate the wood quickly, Thus cedar lasts about ten tears in the ground. Anyway, we have been peeling the posts which is tough because our cedar is quite bracnhy. I worked out a rig for holding the posts while I use the small chainsaw to smooth the sides. The drawknife then slips through the bark fairly easily. The second part of my project today is tied nicely to the first, I worked out a trade with a local organic gardener in posts for garlic for planting. He has fantastic growth of garlic during the last five years and he lives up in the mountains just like us. Boy howdy, I guaranty you haven't tasted garlic this hot and spicy. So, we are totally inspired to expand our garden next Spring to include a large patch of garlic. Planting time for garlic is now, he says. He has invited me to come to his place this afternoon and learn. I will bring the posts which he needs to build a deer proof fence as a second line of defense from the deer, on the way back we will stop be the local purebred horse ranch where they give away manure which has no hay or weed seed because they have rubber mats in the stalls for the fancy horses. It is our plan to mix the manure with wood chips from our forest and begin a large scale compost pile for next Spring. Yep I am going to be a regular farmer not just a tree farmer! How scatterbrained is this? Sorry Keith. Just teasing. This evening I will break out the book for the TI-83 and see how to use it. In the kit there are several probes, the one I am interested i is a pH sensor p# PH-BTA. Now that I look at this manual it has about fifty sensors available, starting with a 3-axis Accelerometer...Radiation monitor... Magnetic field sensor... Light sensor.. O2 Gas sensor, pretty much a you name it, they got it. Sincerely, Brian Rodgers On 10/21/05, David Howard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A pH meter using a Ti-83? I never heard of such a thing, not surprising, I'll need to look into that. I've got a TI-83 Plus collecting dust at the moment. Time to Google I guess. David -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Rodgers Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2005 6:33 PM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] methoxide solution - missing scale Holy cow! I asked for it and I received a doozy. The pH meter the university lent me is a bit of overkill I should think. Tell me what you think. Sitting here on my desk is a Texas Instruments TI-83 Plus Silver edition. I already figured out to turn it on and off, pretty good, hey! It has a manual on CD five firewire ports and a fancy probe sitting in its own bath. AM I in for it with this thing? I mean, I want to do a good titration but really??? Brian Rodgers ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.or g Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Peugeot 1981 505 S TD Mechanical info please
Here is one: Hi, Brian- I am not much of a mechanic. That disclaimer being issued, let me say this- White exhaust smoke can be and often is a symptom of a blown head gasket. White smoke can also be symptomatic of oil burning. White smoke from a blown head gasket is actually steam produced from coolant entering the combustion chamber(s). When you fired the Peugot up the first time, I put my hand in the white exhaust stream. It did not feel particularly humid, which it would if the white were due to billows of steam being produced. As I recall, the pungent stink of burning anti-freeze, which would be present if coolant was exiting the exhaust, was also missing. Moreover, in my limited experience, the white smoke from a blown head gasket does not go away when the engine warms up. Are there alternate hypotheses which would account for ballooning coolant hoses and white smoke on start-up? I can think of at least one, and I am no diesel guru. From what I recall of your coolant system, there was some conspicuously bass-ackwards backyard mechanicking done. E.G, The thermostat housing was entirely absent and the thermostat was jimmied into one of the coolant lines with hose clamps. So, it is at least possible that the hoses are ballooning because the coolant flow is obstructed either by crud deposits or by misadventures of improvised repair. If this were the case, I would look to the white smoke as being non-combusted fuel or possibly oil burning on start-up, unrelated to the coolant issue. Diesels often generate white smoke on start-up due to non-combusted fuel. Diesels, particularly those run on dino-diesel, are also prone to building up carbon deposits which can in turn cause low compression and even oil-burning due to loss of ring seal. Either of these could be your problem with the white smoke. If the problem is carbon build-up, it can often be addressed by running a can or two of diesel-purge directly through the injectors (not added to the gas tank) and driving the beast pedal-to-the-metal for a few thousand miles. See here- http://www.peemac.sdnpk.org/resource/fert/tips5.html and here http://www.intellidog.com/dieselmann/idi2.htm For info on diesels indicating that white smoke on start-up is most often caused by non-combusted fuel, low compression, etc. Not trying to be a know-it-all or tell you what to do, you are after all much more experienced with auto repair than am I. I have learned though, the hard way, that the road to simplicity and bliss in such matters lies in eliminating the easy stuff first. So maybe a prudent first step would be to restore the coolant system to its proper state, replacing the thermostat housing, checking the thermostat, flushing the system, checking how the lines are routed and replacing them as appropriate. You would need to do this at some point anyway. If this takes care of the coolant issue, then you will have saved yourself many hours of unnecessary aggravation. Regards, Lee ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Peugeot 1981 505 S TD Mechanical info please
I am new to Peugeot and diesel engines. I have no books for this fine looking car. I was a pro VW mechanic during the 70s and early 80s. Now I am a pro electronics tech. I prefer to read about a job before I do the wrenching. I have a decent garage in which I am able to weld with gas and electric and of course I am very handy with the electronics. I am often asked for advice on various home auto repair projects to which my first suggestion is to get the book and if possible get the official service manuals and read them. I am not a magician, merely a mechanic and lately I work only on our fleet of ranch vehicles. This said, I am about to pull the head off of my Peugeot not knowing where hoses and wires will return to nor what they do, then attempt to buy a head gasket from I don't know where. Not my ideal way of working, and certainly goes against everything I have preached all these years. I have rarely worked on a diesel engine and never a turbo diesel. I need to understand how the Peugeot turbo works and if it is working. I would like to test it while the head is off as this seems like as good a time as any since it is under the manifolds. I joined the Yahoo Peugeot-L group but they don't seem to know where to get information either as I have posted numerous requests for service manuals and parts ordering contacts. I don't mean to sound ungrateful the Peugeot group gave me the name of one guy in Vermont who seems to have access to a microfiche. Remember those? I even own a reader which if I dug around in the barn I might even be able to lay hand to. Still, he has the info not me. As far as I am concerned it is like saying, I have a gun, not here but I have one. Questions I have put forward to date are: White exhaust smoke and expanding coolant hoses are invariably signs of a blown head gasket, where do I buy parts? Where do I look up information online? Does Peugeot really not have a decent web presence? Sorry if I am forgetting those who wrote back and given advice and those who told me of Mr.Brian Holm, I have written to him. I should call and may do so from work tomorrow. I feel exposed not having anything going for me. Anxious in New Mexico Brian Rodgers www.outfitnm.com The Outfit 801 Douglas Ave. #1 Las Vegas New Mexico 87701 505-454-9661 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Peugeot 1981 505 S TD Mechanical info please
I know this looks like I am replying to my own post but this a reply from my newletter this morning. I found these links to be very helpful. I thought I would pass this along to others with diesel issues. Brian Rodgers Hi, Brian- I am not much of a mechanic. That disclaimer being issued, let me say this- White exhaust smoke can be and often is a symptom of a blown head gasket. White smoke can also be symptomatic of oil burning. White smoke from a blown head gasket is actually steam produced from coolant entering the combustion chamber(s). When you fired the Peugot up the first time, I put my hand in the white exhaust stream. It did not feel particularly humid, which it would if the white were due to billows of steam being produced. As I recall, the pungent stink of burning anti-freeze, which would be present if coolant was exiting the exhaust, was also missing. Moreover, in my limited experience, the white smoke from a blown head gasket does not go away when the engine warms up. Are there alternate hypotheses which would account for ballooning coolant hoses and white smoke on start-up? I can think of at least one, and I am no diesel guru. From what I recall of your coolant system, there was some conspicuously bass-ackwards backyard mechanicking done. E.G, The thermostat housing was entirely absent and the thermostat was jimmied into one of the coolant lines with hose clamps. So, it is at least possible that the hoses are ballooning because the coolant flow is obstructed either by crud deposits or by misadventures of improvised repair. If this were the case, I would look to the white smoke as being non-combusted fuel or possibly oil burning on start-up, unrelated to the coolant issue. Diesels often generate white smoke on start-up due to non-combusted fuel. Diesels, particularly those run on dino-diesel, are also prone to building up carbon deposits which can in turn cause low compression and even oil-burning due to loss of ring seal. Either of these could be your problem with the white smoke. If the problem is carbon build-up, it can often be addressed by running a can or two of diesel-purge directly through the injectors (not added to the gas tank) and driving the beast pedal-to-the-metal for a few thousand miles. See here- http://www.peemac.sdnpk.org/resource/fert/tips5.html and here http://www.intellidog.com/dieselmann/idi2.htm For info on diesels indicating that white smoke on start-up is most often caused by non-combusted fuel, low compression, etc. Not trying to be a know-it-all or tell you what to do, you are after all much more experienced with auto repair than am I. I have learned though, the hard way, that the road to simplicity and bliss in such matters lies in eliminating the easy stuff first. So maybe a prudent first step would be to restore the coolant system to its proper state, replacing the thermostat housing, checking the thermostat, flushing the system, checking how the lines are routed and replacing them as appropriate. You would need to do this at some point anyway. If this takes care of the coolant issue, then you will have saved yourself many hours of unnecessary aggravation. Regards, Lee ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Combustion
Brian Rodgers here. This short article was sent in to me by one of my newsletter readers. We say,Think global, act local. I am getting my readers to think biofuels. Combustion Our civilization relies on combustion. This has been the situation for the past several hundred thousand years, since people were in small groups of hunter-gatherers that used fire. Today there are sophisticated technologies to burn diverse types of substances that contain carbon with hydrogen. At one level combustion is analogous to the chemistry of living things. The process of respiration is a form of combustion under complex regulation by enzymes to keep it from getting too feverish. If the reaction happens too fast then the energy released will destroy cells. Both combustion and respiration follow this idealized general reaction: (CH2O)n + O2 → CO2 + H2O + energy , where (CH2O)n is a carbohydrate as a model compound. A material must be heated to initiate combustion. In respiration, enzymes lower the energy barrier to start the reaction. The problem is that this is an idealized reaction. Under most normal conditions, there are hundreds of other substances produced by incomplete combustion. Many of these chemicals are toxic and/or carcinogenic. One of the first chemicals directly linked to lung cancer was benzo-α-pyrene (BP). Chimney sweeps in London had a high rate of lung cancer and generally died in their 40's. BP was implicated in these lung cancer cases with animal tests in the early 1900's. BP is produced by combustion of coal, wood, petroleum and other organic materials (like tobacco). BP belongs to a class of organic chemicals called polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons, or, PAHs. PAHs are common in many materials, including coal (anthracene), petroleum diesel (napthalene), and smokes from incomplete combustion. Certain PAHs are found in exhaust from vehicles. For instance, coronene (10 carbon ring) in air is directly related to the internal combustion engines operating in an area, but is not present in the fuel. Wood smoke typically contains more than 200 substances. Some of these substances are PAHs. Another set of chemicals are phenols and cresols, both of which are highly toxic. Then there are the dioxins and furans. One of the most toxic substances known to us is 2,3,7,8-tetracholoro-p-dibenzodioxin (TCDD). TCDD is the famous contaminant in Agent Orange of Vietnam fame. TCDD is a trace contaminant from the synthesis of 2,4,5-T. However, TCDD is also produced in combustion; and, can be found in wood stove chimneys, in automobile tailpipes, and on barbecued meat surfaces. Matter of fact, if you really want to make both your and your neighbor's soil toxic, just throw some PVC or plastic bags and table salt into the wood stove, and turn the damper way down. TCDD causes miscarriages and birth defects in laboratory animals, and causes a liver disorder in people (porphyria cutanea tarda) at high doses. The type of wood being burned in a community can be finger-printed by the profile of substances in the smoke. Wood burning is an important air pollution issue. Albuquerque and Bernalillo County are required to curtail wood burning when there are atmospheric inversions that trap the smoke near the ground and people. However, wood burning is not regulated per se, instead it's the amount of carbon monoxide produced during incomplete combustion that is. Population size also has an influence. For instance, Las Vegas with a population of about 16,000 and heavy wood smoke in the winter is considered too small in population to regulate to reduce health effects. However, EPA has forced certain areas with larger populations to curtail wood smoke production because of health effects. This is solved with the placement of catalytic converters on chimneys of wood burning stoves. Diesel motors do not fall under regulation for air pollution by EPA. This is largely from lobbying by the transportation industry which has successfully argued that air pollution controls on diesels will be burdensome on the industry. However, diesel motors produce high levels of PAHs, particulalry when they produce black smoke. Numerous studies have shown that exhaust from diesels is toxic to animals, and is carcinogenic. Whether this holds for biodiesel is another question because the chemistry of the fuel may be different from that of petroleum diesel. Crude oil contains high levels of PAHs. Crude oil is passed through catalytic crackers that crack PAH rings to form long chain hydrocarbons. The process does not destroy all the PAHs. The cracked oil is then distilled, where various cuts are taken for different fuel and product types. The highest boiling-point temperature substances, and first to condense at the bottom of a distillation column (first cut) are fuel and lubricant oils, like those used in motor oils, home heating, and ships. The next fraction taken
Re: [Biofuel] Peugeot 1981 505 S TD Mechanical info please
Zeke you are a wise man. Thank you for sharing. I will take this advise. Mucho gusto Brian Rodgers ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] methyl ethyl ketone
hi Zeke. I wasn't really I was in the autoparts store looking for Heet methanol and isopropyl alcohols when I spied the ethylene glycol and while standing there feeling like an outsider (everyone else in the store was going to use the products for its intended purpose) I am beginning to see past the labels and look at the ingredients. So, as I expand my awareness (thanks to this group) I go back to things I read here without being exactly able to recall details while in the aisles of the auto parts store. Vague recollections is about all that come to me and I am barely over fifty. To answer your question, if I haven't in a round about way already, I have no idea why I was asking about ethylene glycol. On an upbeat note this information about propylene glycol is very interesting as I have the coils of radiant floor heaters in my house and as yet have not hooked them up. I am waiting for inspiration to build a boiler for our wood fired space heater. Thanks for making another scratch to itch, I think. Brian Rodgers ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Peugeot 1981 505 S TD Mechanical info please
Apparently I stirred up some interest with my posts to this group and the Peugeot-L group. Are there any Peugeot fans here who would like to see all of the great information in this afternoon? I am now one step closer to being a biodiesel man. And to think Keith called me scatterbrained. Sincerely, Brian Rodgers ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Peugeot 1981 505 S TD Mechanical info please
Yep that's always a good plan too. Brian On 10/20/05, Zeke Yewdall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Another trick that I like (because I take a few months between taking something apart and putting it back together sometimes) is to lightly thread all the bolts for something back into the holes they came from right after I remove it. I can usually remember where the big pieces go, but it's harder to remember which particular bolt was holding it on. Or make sure you keep bolts with it, and label them well. On 10/20/05, Doug Foskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: a white marker pen! (mark the hoses etc with dots or a character if there is room) The other trick is to put the small parts in paper bags, that are marked with location. (This works well for things like injector pumps, or gearboxes that have shims, etc.) regards Doug. On Thursday 20 October 2005 10:55, Zeke Yewdall wrote: Not quite a direct answer to your questions, but one thing I've found very helpful when taking apart engines that I lack manuals for (or even ones that I have generic manuals for), is to take LOTS of digital pictures before ripping into it. Then you can refer to them when you are wondering exactly which vacuum hose goes where when reassembling it. Zeke On 10/20/05, Brian Rodgers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am new to Peugeot and diesel engines. I have no books for this fine looking car. I was a pro VW mechanic during the 70s and early 80s. Now I am a pro electronics tech. I prefer to read about a job before I do the wrenching. I have a decent garage in which I am able to weld with gas and electric and of course I am very handy with the electronics. I am often asked for advice on various home auto repair projects to which my first suggestion is to get the book and if possible get the official service manuals and read them. I am not a magician, merely a mechanic and lately I work only on our fleet of ranch vehicles. This said, I am about to pull the head off of my Peugeot not knowing where hoses and wires will return to nor what they do, then attempt to buy a head gasket from I don't know where. Not my ideal way of working, and certainly goes against everything I have preached all these years. I have rarely worked on a diesel engine and never a turbo diesel. I need to understand how the Peugeot turbo works and if it is working. I would like to test it while the head is off as this seems like as good a time as any since it is under the manifolds. I joined the Yahoo Peugeot-L group but they don't seem to know where to get information either as I have posted numerous requests for service manuals and parts ordering contacts. I don't mean to sound ungrateful the Peugeot group gave me the name of one guy in Vermont who seems to have access to a microfiche. Remember those? I even own a reader which if I dug around in the barn I might even be able to lay hand to. Still, he has the info not me. As far as I am concerned it is like saying, I have a gun, not here but I have one. Questions I have put forward to date are: White exhaust smoke and expanding coolant hoses are invariably signs of a blown head gasket, where do I buy parts? Where do I look up information online? Does Peugeot really not have a decent web presence? Sorry if I am forgetting those who wrote back and given advice and those who told me of Mr.Brian Holm, I have written to him. I should call and may do so from work tomorrow. I feel exposed not having anything going for me. Anxious in New Mexico Brian Rodgers www.outfitnm.com The Outfit 801 Douglas Ave. #1 Las Vegas New Mexico 87701 505-454-9661 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages
Re: [Biofuel] methoxide solution - missing scale
Holy cow! I asked for it and I received a doozy. The pH meter the university lent me is a bit of overkill I should think. Tell me what you think. Sitting here on my desk is a Texas Instruments TI-83 Plus Silver edition. I already figured out to turn it on and off, pretty good, hey! It has a manual on CD five firewire ports and a fancy probe sitting in its own bath. AM I in for it with this thing? I mean, I want to do a good titration but really??? Brian Rodgers ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] methoxide solution - missing scale
Thank you so much Keith The final line in your previous letter gave me a full blown laugh out loud as I was getting ready for work. On the other hand some people are really hard to help, and I don't have any clear idea of how many of them there might be either. Take for example the leading candidate for this week's Vivian O'Blivion Commemoration Award for Achievement in Failing to Notice the Blindingly Obvious, who had definitely visited the biodiesel section of the JtF website, and sent this terse message: Need info on making biodiesel. Thanks. :-/ Keith I stopped by one of the small town hardware stores on my way to work this morning. I was hunting for the 99% Isopropyl alcohol I had bought there years ago. No luck they don't carry it any longer. They did have other alcohols which I am unfamiliar with. methyl ester ketone? (sp) I have no idea what that is for. It was in the paint thinner section. As was methyl ethyl solvent. Unfortunately the ingredients said contains less than 4% methanol, so again I have no idea if that would be worth anything. I was after Isopropyl and they didn't have any, bummer. I looked at their good collection of fiberglass reinforced PVC tubing. My mind went on a quickie scavenger hunt of uses. Then I was off to see if they had any Phenolphthalein. Nada nothing zilch. I know I had a plan 'B' but, at this moment it does not come to me. I need to get back to fixing PCs here. As soon as time permits I will respond to your letter in full. Sincerely, Brian Rodgers ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] methoxide solution - missing scale
Thanks Zeke I was planning on going to the dreaded WalMart this afternoon as they are the only store left in this small town. I will be looking for denatured alcohol there. Brian On 10/19/05, Zeke Yewdall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I stopped by one of the small town hardware stores on my way to work this morning. I was hunting for the 99% Isopropyl alcohol I had bought there years ago. No luck they don't carry it any longer. They did have other alcohols which I am unfamiliar with. methyl ester ketone? (sp) I have no idea what that is for. It was in the paint thinner section. As was methyl ethyl solvent. Methyl Ethyl Ketone is used as the hardening agent in fiberglass work. NASTY stuff. Ketones aren't technically alcohols anyway, if I remember my organic chemistry right. Unfortunately the ingredients said contains less than 4% methanol, so again I have no idea if that would be worth anything. I was after Isopropyl and they didn't have any, bummer. Try looking for rubbing alcohol in a pharmacy. I believe this is isopropyl alcohol. I looked at their good collection of fiberglass reinforced PVC tubing. My mind went on a quickie scavenger hunt of uses. Then I was off to see if they had any Phenolphthalein. Nada nothing zilch. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] methyl ethyl ketone
Very good thanks Ken Now that you jog my memory I recall buying methanol at the parts store last week and right next to the Heet brand de-icer I saw isopropyl alcohol. next, I need to look in the archives for ethylene glycol as I remember talk of it here last month. At the time I was interested in something else so I skimmed it with little absorption on mind part. Anyway isn't glycol a anti-freeze? I am ready to take Chemistry 101 at the local university. Brian Rodgers On 10/19/05, Ken Provost [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 19, 2005, at 11:12 AM, Zeke Yewdall wrote: Methyl Ethyl Ketone is used as the hardening agent in fiberglass work. NASTY stuff. Ketones aren't technically alcohols anyway, if I remember my organic chemistry right. That's right, but the hardener is methyl ethyl ketone peroxide -- a very different thing from simple MEK. MEK is a great solvent -- works and smells very much like its close relative acetone, but has a higher boiling point and therefore makes less fumes. Commonly used as a denaturant for ethyl alcohol. Small quantities of pure isopropanol are avail from auto parts stores as gasoline dryer. Be sure you get the one that says CONTAINS NO METHANOL. Otherwise, it's pure methanol... -K ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Peugeot 505 four cylinder turbo charged diesel
Thanks for the reply I only ever found the peugeot 505 S in the vintage CD of Michell's I got the few pages we found printed out. thanks Brian Rodgers On 10/18/05, Doug Foskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Brian, most of the CD mans are pdfs. Just print the relevant pages for the job in hand. regards Doug On Monday 10 October 2005 10:59, Brian Rodgers wrote: Very good idea thanks Doug. On 10/9/05, Doug Foskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Search on the web: you may be lucky. The Haynes manualwould be available from book suppliers (but there are some inaccuracies in Haynes manuals: but they are better than nothing!) See the other similar threads for my comments on Haynes. You are right nevertheless. There is also a seller on ebay selling CDs of manuals: there could be one available there (UK supplier) Like the Mitchell's on demand set? Yeah I keep meaning to pirate those, somehow I have never got to it. But then I would need a PC in the workshop. Don't know, wishy-washy again. Truly, Brian regards Doug On Saturday 08 October 2005 10:57, Brian Rodgers wrote: Hello everybody Thank you so much for the replies. I was told when I got this car that it had a blown head gasket. The reasoning the mechanic used was excess pressure on the coolant system. Also, now that I have started the engine a few times it fires up pretty quick. Here is an excerpt from a note I sent to a friend this afternoon. It may give you a heads up on what is happening. I just made some changes to the coolant lines and it made a big difference. I took it for the 'first' test drive, sweet!!! What I have found so far: Fan clutch slipping. In-line thermostat??? Yeah the thermostat was jammed inside the big hose coming from the head to radiator, with two hose clamps holding it in place. That can't be right. Anyway it's working- I tested it in boiling water Also upon inspection there is slight discoloration on the Thermostat inflow side, looks like exhaust smoke. Still blowing white smoke when idling. Smoke turns black when accelerating. Shifts great, all gears work. No speedo. As you can see it may indeed be a blown head gasket. Although no oil emulsion (coolant in oil) and no oil in coolant. What I would really like is a shop manual for this car. If I am going to pull the head I feel better if I know where everything goes back to. Not to mention, torques and bolt tightening patterns. Does anyone know of a good Peugeot parts supplier? Again thanks for the info and help. Brian Rodgers ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.o rg Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] methoxide solution - missing scale
I knew I should have kept my mouth shut. Hehe Sorry I am being silly again. Keith you do have a great web site and now that you have explained the layered information technique I will go back again and read it all again. I actually knew there was a great depth to the JTF site because every time I ask a question you quickly respond with a link to another information pool I had overlooked. You are absolutely right, there is a lot of info there and when combined with this email list it is all coming together for me. I take full responsibility for my words and more so for my actions. With this in mind, can I blame the skipping of titration of the WVO, on my wife, the ex-science teacher? I try not to bother you all with excerpts from my daily newsletter. I use my writing as a catch all to keep friends and family informed of what we are doing. Having not posted most of my daily chronicle you of course don't get to see the summations of what I have learned here. Somehow I guess I am saying that all you see are the questions I post as I am knee deep in this.For instance in my newsletter I made note of all of our short comings many of which you noted that day. After rereading this morning's newsletter I don't believe there is anything there that would shed any light on my thinking (or lack thereof) on this topic. Thank goodness I didn't post my verbose newsletter, right? Basically, I state that I have a lot of respect for you and will listen and learn. I know that precision is better and I need to get prepared for this weekend's chem-lab.project. I will look in a pet store for the Phenolphthalein. I have graduated syringes and pipettes. A triple beam scale is on the way. I looked at the Salvation Army next store and they have a blender for $15.00. On another thread called White lye I see that my lye may be questionale too. I followed the link http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make2.html#lye . I was wondering what the dark colored particles in my lye were. After reading your description I beleive I have aluminum in there. So, I now have to find a source for clean lye. That's all I have time for Keith. I know this isn't much after your wonderful letter. I guess I want you to know that I do have something going on. Thank you for your patience. Your's truly, Brian Rodgers ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Anyone find a source for used centrifuges?
Hello Matt My son in-law was telling me last year that as water well electrician he helped setup a centrifuge to remove sand from drinking water. He described a large device, but it did fit in the well house and it ran entirely on the movement of the water. It had some sort of clean outs I don't recall that part too well (pun) this morning. Anyway, maybe look at water well supply houses Sincerely, Brian Rodgers On 10/16/05, Matt Yarrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear All- I'm helping to set up a small scale (about 5-8 thousand gallons per year) processing unit at Rice University. This is a completely student run project, and we've got most of the kinks worked out. One problem we have is that one of the colleges on campus somehow manages to produce WVO that has a large quantity of water and fries, batter, etc in it. So we don't have to waste energy to de-water by heating, or spend a few weeks settling (we are somewhat limited on space) the gunk out, I'd like to use a small scale centrifuge to remove water and junk from the oil. Problem is, the only ones I can seem to find are either for use in cars or are much more than we need. Does anyone out there have a source for a centrifuge that can process about 5-10 gpm? Cheers! - Matt Yarrison ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] methoxide solution - missing scale
in the hopes of getting less moisture in the lye because you think smaller measurements will take less time (76% humidity isn't so much, it's higher than that here now). So you set yourself the task of measuring even smaller quantities without an accurate scale. For a 300ml batch, 3.5g/litre of lye works out to 1.05 grams, and the volume would be 0.495 ml. You're measuring 0.495 ml of lye in a beaker? And it gave you some of your best results. But I think with these methods your best results are just as randomly chaotic as the worst ones. But you get it right by bending the wash-test your way. And then advise another newbie to do the same. Brian, meanwhile, is starting in the wrong place and forgot he needs to weigh something or other, and forgot he needed a blender to mix it in too. Sheesh, Brain, how can you be so scatter-brained? Don't you even make notes? You're not just boiling an egg you know. Actually, its spelled Brian, but brain sounds good. We did a fine set of notes. As to being scatterbrained, I thought we weren't supposed to call each other names here. I am too enthusiastic to take the bait. In my case I am as focused as a person with zero dollars can be when it comes to doing lab work in a kitchen. Currently I have only what I have learned here to work with. I see others including you Keith finding salvage equipment and modifying it to work for you. This is all I do know about. I am the king (in my world) of modifications.The first thing I had to learn was that each person no matter how resourceful may overcome obstacles using completely different methods while still accomplishing the end result. Now I never intended to modify the chemistry found here, I wouldn't know how. Why aren't you starting with virgin oil? But you want to start with WVO, why waste time, and you're going to titrate it. Only you don't have scales and you're going to use old litmus paper from a soil test kit. And the way you're going you'll pick your way unerringly through this jungle of variables to a glorious result, right. Meanwhile you're already moving on to better things, next stop the acid-base method. Again, I have no money for buying virgin oil. And, no I am not moving on to better things, acid base, sounds great, but I ain't got no acid either. Sorry, chums, this ain't the way to do it, either not even for beginners or especially not for beginners, take your choice. Eg (closes eyes and chucks a dart)... Hardly what I would say about the people that are trying to use the information found at journeytoforever web site. I would hope. I do recall that that ambient humidity messes with the methoxide mixing. Should I wait until the rain quits to continue with the experiment? What difference does it make, if you've carefully measured out your lye into plastic bags keeping it dry as advised and you're mixing methoxide the easy way, as advised, in a closed HDPE container with both a bung and a lid? This is on the top of my list today, not exactly sure where I am going to find the HDPE container. I do have enough tubing and epoxy to do what I need. But if you've prepared zilch for your first attempt at making biod, after talking about it here for months, well...! Did I say that? It is no doubt true. Nnevertheless, I did learn how to do an awful lot of processes on the road to making my own biodiesel. Go back to the beginning. Start here: Make your first test batch http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make.html#biodnew I intend to start at the begining , after all that's where I am. Keep going, step by step. Study everything on that page and the next page and at the links in the text. I suggest you make some print-outs Brian. We did this weekend But please no more sloppiness!! I Promise. Best wishes Keith Now Keith, please don't take this the wrong way (negative being wrong) has it occurred to you that maybe the flow of the JTF web site gets a little interrupted here and there? When was the last time you sat down with a newbie and watched as each step is absorbed and asked questions about comprehension? Again I don't mean to offend. For all I know you use your web page to teach newbies all the time and I am an idiot. Sincerely Brian Rodgers ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Suggestions for a homemade lid
Great advice I will try it as well on a HDPE drum I have. Brian Rodgers On 10/17/05, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Ken So, I have this stainless steel container that's probably in the 10-15 gallon range. Seems a shame to not make some use of it except that I didn't get a lid with it and my pal doesn't it either. The inner diameter is 15 inches. The outer diameter is 15 9/16 and the height is 25 1/2 inches. I was planning to use it for a stock methoxide solution but, if I can't come up with a lid I'll have to find a less hazardous use for it. Maybe there is a better use for it anyway...I'd still like a lid. Anyone have any ideas how to create a simple lid without too much wasted energy? You can make a lid for a tank from a piece of compound board cut to fit, with sheet plastic (resistant) glued on the underneath surface and four or six or eight toggle latches. Pop-rivet the fittings on the container side, seal with siliocon. Give the lid a silicon seal - apply a generous helping of silicon round the underside edge, allow it to set for 6-8 hours (depending on the weather) until it isn't sticky to the touch anymore but still soft. Place the lid carefully in position on top of the container and weigh it down with something heavy, making sure the weight is spread evenly around the edge. The silicon takes the shape of the rim but doesn't stick, no need for a release agent. There are some photographs of this here (though not on a wooden lid): http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_processor10.html Journey to Forever 90-litre processor It's about halfway down. Take care, Ken PS: I really busted my hump today in the gardens. We found 5 hostas (one of which was HUGE) on our local FreeCycle. Lots of work digging those holes. I also moved a bunch of other perennials and rearranged the vegetable garden to build my mini hoop house for late tomatoes and early spring crops. I am so tired I could fall asleep typing. There is almost nothing more rewarding, though! I can't wait for the extra charge that I'll have tomorrow. :-) Good for you. I also staggered in after busting my gut out there for hours today, then I did fall asleep for half an hour, I just woke up. I was clearing the ground under the trees at the edge of the pasture, huge tangles of weeds and creepers and tough grass growing through the piles of cut branches we left there nine months ago that we've been trying to get round to clearing ever since. Getting the last of the wood in now, we'll be needing it for the woodstove soon (though we'll use bioheating oil when it gets really cold). Also those are fruit trees, persimmons, and grass roots strangle fruit trees, all the fruit falls off before it gets there. We had to clear the leaf-fall areas for compost and mulch while there's still a little growth period left if we want fruit next year. So I got it all cleared and we did the compost and mulching too. Mainly we have to build a chicken run there in the next few days, rather than a chicken jungle. Meanwhile the pasture's looking great, that I was talking about to Andres a few weeks ago (ley farming). I got it all done and it worked a treat, interesting, more re which later. Nine months ago that field was a bog, flooded most of the time. Two days ago it rained solidly for 24 hours and the pasture absorbed it like a sponge, no flooding. Now we can sow winter grains and a new ley grass mixture there, planting date October 25 according to the local Japanese farmers almanac. I got good heritage grain seeds from some homesteader friends nearby, two kinds of winter wheat, two kinds of barley, rye, nice. Best wishes Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] methoxide solution
Hi Jim I use Lab grade Lye that is in pellets not grains like Red Devil. Please give us newbies a few possible sources, this is a tease. It takes more time to dissolve but I use a magnetic mixer so the reaction is in an air tight container and can be left for however long while i do other things. I will Google Magnetic mixer but an explanation from you would be great too. What is? Where to find? Standard lab equipment? Etc. It sounds pretty damn cool. Not sure how to search the archives for a resource list. Kieth, can you help? Once I get today's mini test batch figured out I will need to begin the task of relieving my on anxiety over where to find chemicals in my area. I spent quite a bit of time with my 87 year old father last night talking chemistry. He's retired forty years, but I have been copy and pasting stuff from you all and the journeytoforever web site over to him since early Summer. Now that I am getting set to do this I have sent him more scientific data and less youthful emotional fanfare. Today I make the sodium methoxide. I better get after it. Brian Rodgers Good Luck, Jim Rafal Szczesniak wrote: Hi, I've recently bought new fresh methyl alcohol and lye. I have measured out exact amounts, mixed lye with methanol and - a bit of a surprise, the solution haven't actually got warm. No temperature, fumes, whatsoever. Is this normal, or could I have done something wrong ? The chemicals are most probably pure and good quality. Also, lye has been completely dissolved. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] methoxide solution - missing scale
Hi biodieselers I am here with my wife in our kitchen working on our first titration of WVO. We have determined through heating a sample of WVO that no water is present. We have found a soil test kit that has several types of litmus paper. We did several tests of the litmus to determine if it was still fairly accurate by testing a light solution of lye water, household water, distilled water and finally battery acid. We have compared the litmus paper color change and are satisfied that we can tell the difference in major pH scales. By the way, this experimentation is too much fun. We have several browser windows open to the archives and conversion tables for reference. It seems the first thing I forgot to collect for this first test is a gram scale. We live 15 miles from town and a hopeful there is a way to measure the lye without making a special trip. Or, are we done for the day? We have a decent thermometer, 1 beaker with ml scale, two syringes with cc scales, goggles, gloves and lots of excitement. Our question is this: Can we do this first step without the scale? What else are we forgetting if a trip to town is needed? Thanks for your help. Brian Nell Rodgers ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] methoxide solution
Hi It sounds like a great new toy, but believe me - you don't really need magnetic mixer to prepare methoxide solution :) If you want to play I think you are right. If you can take a look at a post I just sent under a modified thread name [biofuel] methoxide solution- missing scale you will see that real world issues have already hit us. This doing it phase has made me realise that I forgot a basic tool, the gram scale. Dang it. Anyone that can help us figure out how to measure the lye with no scale would be looked upon as a living god by us. If not I will go find a scale and start again tomorrow. Thanks again Brian Nell Rodgers ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] methoxide solution - missing scale
Great thanks Kurt This is what we were looking for. We even attempted to find the specific gravity of lye, but that didn't pan out. It was getting too complicated for us. A trip to town would be simpler we figured. On 10/15/05, Kurt Nolte [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Brian I've run into problems with measuring lye myself, and ultimately managed to work out a loose but somewhat workable way to measure out the lye by volume. It produced some of my best results to date, too, so I think I'm safe to share it with yas. Sodium Hydroxide has a density of 2.1 grams per cubic centimeter. Since a cubic centimeter = a milliliter, you can use your beaker with mL scale on it to measure out the lye volumetrically. For a test batch with virgin oil it's going to be some incredibly small number; under 2ml, I believe. I was only doing a 300mL test batch, so I needed under a milliliter of NaOH. Using the density of NaOH, convert your titrated grams into milliliters, then measure them out volumetrically and add to your methanol as per normal. I'd suggest erring on the side of caution when measuring it out though; unless your beaker is graduated in .01mL increments it might be hard to get a truly accurate volume. I decided when I tried it to err on the low side, as an incomplete reaction I've read can be reprocessed but too much lye is worse news on the washing step. We will try this. In the end though, all these guys on the list are right; there's no substitute for a good, accurate gram scale. I agree but you know how it is with the first step in a new process, we want to see where it goes even if it does not work at all. Experimenting in New Mexico, Brian Rodgers Just picked on up myself, in fact, measures out to .1 grams with a 500g capacity. Good luck to ya! -K ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] methoxide solution - missing scale
Yeah I too am getting into this sharing of information, although I don't know squat worth sharing yet. On 10/15/05, Kurt Nolte [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not a problem, I encourage sharing experiences and tricks. Like I said, I had some of my best results to date on test batches using this method, a nice good clear yellow color top layer and a smooth separation, and it's so far washed very nicely. At least you don't also have to contend with 76% humidity, eh? ^.~ Funny you should mention this... In the last half hour it began pouring rain. I ran outside to get the firewood covered and now I am soaked. Meanwhile my wife got a roaring fire going in our heavily modified wood heater. It is now warming and drying us. I do recall that that ambient humidity messes with the methoxide mixing. Should I wait until the rain quits to continue with the experiment? Brian Rodgers Good luck to ya man. Let me know how it works for you, I may ultimately refine the process with an eye toward really low cost production. Or automation; easier to stop at a volume than a weight, I think. -K ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] methoxide solution - missing scale
Ok very cool I just might try it now and close everything up tight while working. Brian Rodgers On 10/15/05, Kurt Nolte [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/15/05, Brian Rodgers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I do recall that that ambient humidity messes with the methoxide mixing. Should I wait until the rain quits to continue with the experiment? Lye is hygroscopic; it absorbs water quite readily. Yeah, I'd suggest waiting for it to quit raining, as ambient humidity increases will throw off your measurement of lye on both a mass and volumetric basis because of absorption into the pellets or grains. Now if the humidity in your house is still low, you could always quickly measure it out and put it in a sealed container with your methanol, then hustle outside to mix it; I use Mason jars to mix my methoxide in for test batches. -K ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] methoxide solution - missing scale
The rain has stopped and the skies are clearing Tomorrow is another day. Thanks for all your help. Brian Rodgers On 10/15/05, Kurt Nolte [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/15/05, Brian Rodgers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok very cool I just might try it now and close everything up tight while working. Brian Rodgers Best of luck to ya, once more. And now I need to get back to work before they decided I'm not earning my pay. ;p -Kurt ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] methoxide solution
Thanks for the replies Yes the magnetic mixer as you both describe does sound like something I could build. At the moment I better focus on the basics. I need to work on my lab skill. Today we found out a ton of science associated with biodiesel. Lots more info sunk in as we actually do this stuff. Not that I didn't expect this. Tomorrow we will have a go at it again. My wife and I are on page one. I have read about this process from a big picture perspective. Now I learn the detail. I can't believe I forgot to bring a scale home for my first test batch. Oh well. We are still in the process of calculating the amount of lye to mix with the methanol. As soon as we figure this out, I imagine the next obstacle will present itself. Par for the course, no? This is ok. We are patient. This is really the only way to learn. Try it. As everyone here says. We are game. Brian Rodgers On 10/15/05, JJJN [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Brian, A magnetic mixer is just a small DC motor that is variable speed that rotates a STRONG magnet under a platform. You then place in the jug PVC or Polyethylene coated Magnets and screw the lid on. Turn on the mixer and its like a blender inside. If you do use Red devil lye it can get reallly hot fast but I never melted or expanded to much. I rather prefer the slower dissolving lye with this type of mixer. I got mine free as it was replaced with a newer one and was gathering dust. when we moved our lab my good friend the chemist gave it to me rather than throw it away. They would be real easy to build and the part that goes in the Methoxil is cheap at NW Scientific Supply I can give you the email if you want it. Jim Brian Rodgers wrote: Hi Jim I use Lab grade Lye that is in pellets not grains like Red Devil. Please give us newbies a few possible sources, this is a tease. It takes more time to dissolve but I use a magnetic mixer so the reaction is in an air tight container and can be left for however long while i do other things. I will Google Magnetic mixer but an explanation from you would be great too. What is? Where to find? Standard lab equipment? Etc. It sounds pretty damn cool. Not sure how to search the archives for a resource list. Kieth, can you help? Once I get today's mini test batch figured out I will need to begin the task of relieving my on anxiety over where to find chemicals in my area. I spent quite a bit of time with my 87 year old father last night talking chemistry. He's retired forty years, but I have been copy and pasting stuff from you all and the journeytoforever web site over to him since early Summer. Now that I am getting set to do this I have sent him more scientific data and less youthful emotional fanfare. Today I make the sodium methoxide. I better get after it. Brian Rodgers Good Luck, Jim Rafal Szczesniak wrote: Hi, I've recently bought new fresh methyl alcohol and lye. I have measured out exact amounts, mixed lye with methanol and - a bit of a surprise, the solution haven't actually got warm. No temperature, fumes, whatsoever. Is this normal, or could I have done something wrong ? The chemicals are most probably pure and good quality. Also, lye has been completely dissolved. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Keith I think you have a virus.....Do not open body.zip
Yeah I don't think the list sends out any attachments. This is a good thing. Brian Rodgers ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] My first mini test batch this weekend!
Hi all Well I am finally ready to try a mini test batch, yipee! This is an excerpt from my morning newsletter. The names have been changed to protect the innocent, hehe. As I was leaving work I remembered that it was Thursday and if I was to try my first batch of biodiesel this weekend I needed to get some lye from the hardware store before it closed. They didn't carry Red Devil Lye, the preferred product, but they did have several bottles of caustic soda crystals under the brand name of Roto. I read the ingredients several times and happily paid the clerk the $3.99 and out the door I went. Lye without methanol would be like clapping with one hand I am told by the biodieselers. Where was I going to get methanol? On down the street to the auto parts store with renewed confidence I went. I had found what I hoped was a suitable substitute for the first ingredient while the store was shutting off the overhead lights. Into the parts store and a bee-line for the liquids. On the shelf where the fuel line de-icers were was several bottles of Heet. Checking the ingredients I spied the words, Contains methyl alcohol. This is the stuff, methanol. I spent a whopping $2.00 more (2 little bottles) and off I went with everything I need to begin my first mini test batch of biodiesel. So now I hear from Hugh in Los Lunas, by Albuquerque that he has a 55 gallon drum and pump for mineral oil. Yes, yes Hugh this is perfect, please save it for me. Bring it next time you come up this way. Also, Eric said he has a fairly decent chemistry setup left over from a friend's pipe dream project which never saw the light of day. Beakers and heaters and things I don't recall the names of. Please, please pretty please folks do save anything you have for lab work. Let me get these mini-test batches under my belt and I will begin to work out just what my biodiesel lab will need to get this process geared up. Another friend Rand has offered help as well. I thank you all. This newsletter is so very rewarding. I do a bunch of research while I keep this chronicle posted to you all and we come together with the stuff to make it all come about. Oh yeah, I took the time to go eat lunch yesterday afternoon at my favorite restaurant, Little Moon (Chinese American buffet). As I was paying the bill I saw the owner behind the counter. I introduced myself and asked what they did with their WVO (waste veggie oil)? He said his name was Tony and he didn't do anything with the used fryer oil and he definitely did not throw it in the dumpster. Ok I said we might be able to help each other out. How much WVO does the restaurant produce in a week? He said he just got rid of all that he had (not on the parking lot) but if I was to come back in one week, he should have five, five gallon containers full. Holy Teriyaki Batman! Did I just hit the jackpot? No wonder their food is so tasty, five gallons of grease per day? Far be it for me to question the goose with the golden eggs. If this pans out like the owner of this restaurant suggests, I have a source for oil that will be enough for me to create twenty gallons per week of fuel for my diesel car! Only the cost of labor, energy to heat the processor drums and the methanol. This latter is going to be the tough one to source out. Race tracks sell methanol but we don't have a race track. I understand that the gulf coast area is where to get methanol from. I have heard it sells for less than two dollars per gallon in Louisiana. It might cost the home brew biodiesel producer $5.00 to $7.00 per gallon if the source wants to price gouge. How much methanol will I need? Near as I can figure, 120ml of methanol to 1-liter of WVO. Some of the methanol is recoverable. By the way, many of you have heard that biodiesel can harm your engine. Methanol mixed with lye makes sodium methoxide, very caustic stuff. You don't want to be putting any of that in your gas tank. If you have been following my biodiesel process, you will see that several wash cycles are used. Litmus paper is employed to make certain the ph of the biodiesel is neutral before we put it in the tank. So there it is. I am stoked and more than ready to get on with it. Brian Rodgers ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Keith I think you have a virus.....
Hi all Well I am finally ready to try a mini test batch, yipee! This is an excerpt from my morning newsletter. The names have been changed to protect the innocent, hehe. As I was leaving work I remembered that it was Thursday and if I was to try my first batch of biodiesel this weekend I needed to get some lye from the hardware store before it closed. They didn't carry Red Devil Lye, the preferred product, but they did have several bottles of caustic soda crystals under the brand name of Roto. I read the ingredients several times and happily paid the clerk the $3.99 and out the door I went. Lye without methanol would be like clapping with one hand I am told by the biodieselers. Where was I going to get methanol? On down the street to the auto parts store with renewed confidence I went. I had found what I hoped was a suitable substitute for the first ingredient while the store was shutting off the overhead lights. Into the parts store and a bee-line for the liquids. On the shelf where the fuel line de-icers were was several bottles of Heet. Checking the ingredients I spied the words, Contains methyl alcohol. This is the stuff, methanol. I spent a whopping $2.00 more (2 little bottles) and off I went with everything I need to begin my first mini test batch of biodiesel. So now I hear from Hugh in Los Lunas, by Albuquerque that he has a 55 gallon drum and pump for mineral oil. Yes, yes Hugh this is perfect, please save it for me. Bring it next time you come up this way. Also, Eric said he has a fairly decent chemistry setup left over from a friend's pipe dream project which never saw the light of day. Beakers and heaters and things I don't recall the names of. Please, please pretty please folks do save anything you have for lab work. Let me get these mini-test batches under my belt and I will begin to work out just what my biodiesel lab will need to get this process geared up. Another friend Rand has offered help as well. I thank you all. This newsletter is so very rewarding. I do a bunch of research while I keep this chronicle posted to you all and we come together with the stuff to make it all come about. Oh yeah, I took the time to go eat lunch yesterday afternoon at my favorite restaurant, Little Moon (Chinese American buffet). As I was paying the bill I saw the owner behind the counter. I introduced myself and asked what they did with their WVO (waste veggie oil)? He said his name was Tony and he didn't do anything with the used fryer oil and he definitely did not throw it in the dumpster. Ok I said we might be able to help each other out. How much WVO does the restaurant produce in a week? He said he just got rid of all that he had (not on the parking lot) but if I was to come back in one week, he should have five, five gallon containers full. Holy Teriyaki Batman! Did I just hit the jackpot? No wonder their food is so tasty, five gallons of grease per day? Far be it for me to question the goose with the golden eggs. If this pans out like the owner of this restaurant suggests, I have a source for oil that will be enough for me to create twenty gallons per week of fuel for my diesel car! Only the cost of labor, energy to heat the processor drums and the methanol. This latter is going to be the tough one to source out. Race tracks sell methanol but we don't have a race track. I understand that the gulf coast area is where to get methanol from. I have heard it sells for less than two dollars per gallon in Louisiana. It might cost the home brew biodiesel producer $5.00 to $7.00 per gallon if the source wants to price gouge. How much methanol will I need? Near as I can figure, 120ml of methanol to 1-liter of WVO. Some of the methanol is recoverable. By the way, many of you have heard that biodiesel can harm your engine. Methanol mixed with lye makes sodium methoxide, very caustic stuff. You don't want to be putting any of that in your gas tank. If you have been following my biodiesel process, you will see that several wash cycles are used. Litmus paper is employed to make certain the ph of the biodiesel is neutral before we put it in the tank. So there it is. I am stoked and more than ready to get on with it. Brian Rodgers ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] first mini test batch on the way
Hi everyone. I meant to start a new thread with my story but hit send before I remembered, whoops. On 10/14/05, des [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Looks like the bug's about to bite you! (as in opening doors to another world...!) Yes I believe you are right. I think around here they call it, utro mondo. One of the things that is really cool is that I found a diesel car, Peugeot 505 S, with very little cash outlay, so now I have something to use biodiesel in. I've enjoyed this post, and can feel your excitement. My 3rd full size (25 gallon) batch is washing quietly at this moment... Yes I can't wait to get to the mechanical stage where I too can try my hand at making the equipment I salvage work for me. I have family visiting from the east coast until tomorrow. So that's when I begin. I think the most challenging part is going to be mixing the sodium methoxide. I found the detergent bottle with two caps and I already have lots of tubing and connectors in a large plumbing kit. I have already made my first chemical resistant pipe fitting connection on a plastic drum which was for photo chemicals. Sweet. Another possible option of buying methanol at retail, but still at a lower cost, If there are any truck stops, or mechanics that work on big rigs, or auto parts stores that carry materials for them, look into brake line drier (moisture absorbent). The jug I looked at indicates that it is methanol, but the jug was less than a gallon, and $8.00. This in an auto parts store. The other possible sources mentioned above may give you a better deal. Yeah, $8.00 per gallon, sheesh. I bit of calling to oil gas dealerships will hopefully get me a better price. Either way, I'm in. Soon I'll be one of the seasoned biodieselers. Modifying my way to bliss. Thanks Doug Truly, Brian Rodgers doug swanson Brian Rodgers wrote: Hi all Well I am finally ready to try a mini test batch, yipee! This is an excerpt from my morning newsletter. The names have been changed to protect the innocent, hehe. As I was leaving work I remembered that it was Thursday and if I was to try my first batch of biodiesel this weekend I needed to get some lye from the hardware store before it closed. They didn't carry Red Devil Lye, the preferred product, but they did have several bottles of caustic soda crystals under the brand name of Roto. I read the ingredients several times and happily paid the clerk the $3.99 and out the door I went. Lye without methanol would be like clapping with one hand I am told by the biodieselers. Where was I going to get methanol? On down the street to the auto parts store with renewed confidence I went. I had found what I hoped was a suitable substitute for the first ingredient while the store was shutting off the overhead lights. Into the parts store and a bee-line for the liquids. On the shelf where the fuel line de-icers were was several bottles of Heet. Checking the ingredients I spied the words, Contains methyl alcohol. This is the stuff, methanol. I spent a whopping $2.00 more (2 little bottles) and off I went with everything I need to begin my first mini test batch of biodiesel. So now I hear from Hugh in Los Lunas, by Albuquerque that he has a 55 gallon drum and pump for mineral oil. Yes, yes Hugh this is perfect, please save it for me. Bring it next time you come up this way. Also, Eric said he has a fairly decent chemistry setup left over from a friend's pipe dream project which never saw the light of day. Beakers and heaters and things I don't recall the names of. Please, please pretty please folks do save anything you have for lab work. Let me get these mini-test batches under my belt and I will begin to work out just what my biodiesel lab will need to get this process geared up. Another friend Rand has offered help as well. I thank you all. This newsletter is so very rewarding. I do a bunch of research while I keep this chronicle posted to you all and we come together with the stuff to make it all come about. Oh yeah, I took the time to go eat lunch yesterday afternoon at my favorite restaurant, Little Moon (Chinese American buffet). As I was paying the bill I saw the owner behind the counter. I introduced myself and asked what they did with their WVO (waste veggie oil)? He said his name was Tony and he didn't do anything with the used fryer oil and he definitely did not throw it in the dumpster. Ok I said we might be able to help each other out. How much WVO does the restaurant produce in a week? He said he just got rid of all that he had (not on the parking lot) but if I was to come back in one week, he should have five, five gallon containers full. Holy Teriyaki Batman! Did I just hit the jackpot? No wonder their food is so tasty, five gallons of grease per day? Far be it for me to question the goose with the golden eggs. If this pans out like the owner of this restaurant suggests, I
Re: [Biofuel] Hyper Deliquescent Polymer Beads
Thank you I get confused sometimes with all that is going on with my world. Yeterday this biofuels group or my Internet was acting odd, so I went and read through the tribes biodoiesel messages for grins. There is such a difference between this group and every other group I belong to that sometimes I want you all to show your experiance and tell these knuckle heads what is what. In the future I will search the archives myself and tell them, Sorry for the trouble. Brian Rodgers On 10/12/05, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh dear! Not again!!! Accusorb beads, aarghh! Maybe they'd make a pretty necklace for someone's girlfriend. Please see list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg37322.html Re: [biofuel] Accusorb beads- fraud? They DON'T need any more free advertising! Best wishes Keith Hi All I found this site http://www.hydrogenappliances.com/bioD.html#anchor966994 at http://biodiesel.tribe.net/thread/bb138ced-39da-48ac-94af-e25147c48196 ?r=10476 Anybody heard about these people? Brian Rodgers Acusorb(r) Beads Hyper Deliquescent Polymer Beads (Polymer contains Silver and Zinc chlorides and nitrates) Reuse them hundreds of times! Can be regenerated by heating! The Bio-Pass Process - (The UN- BioDiesel Method) WHAT IS BIO-PASS? Bio-Pass is a two stage combination process the consists of a Wicking filtration process followed by an adsorbsion process that occurs when the oil flows through a bed of polymer beads Water-bond adsorption media have gained continued acceptance for alternative oil-fuel processing Helps remove the water-bonded acid and water-bonded glycerin groups out of your waste oils, fats and fuels! GREEN AND BLACK OIL PROCESSING * Decontaminates ALL types of vegetable oils up to 97% clean. * Removes 99.99% of emulsified water and coolants from used engine oils and fluids. * Removes all types of water bonded molecules from oils and fats. * Turns mucky and milky waste oil emulsions into clear (non-opaque) burnable fuels. BIO-DIESEL ENHANCEMENT and ECONOMIZING * Can be used to wash or scrub impurities from Bio Diesel (Adjusts pH) * Drastically cuts the amounts of caustic alcohols necessary to make ASTM grade Bio-Diesel ! Run your vegetable oil through Bio-Pass filters and Acusorb(r) beads first and then make standard Bio-Diesel to ASTM standards with as little as 10% of the caustic alcohol solutions normally necessary! ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Cummins unaware of fuel crisis?
From: http://www.cummins.com/na/pages/en/customerassistance/faq/answers.cfm?uuid=00094\ 7AD-64AE-1B8D-BCF080C4A8F0 I found reference to this on my Peugeot group. The narrow minded diesel car owner (Ugly American?) which sent it out more or less says, Lose some power? Hell no, I'll stick with burning fossil fuel, thank you! People have every right to be ignorant. Why do so many people fall for the propaganda? It's a power issue alright, but nothing to do with vehicle acceleration. Hook line and sinker. In my opinion what Cummins has on its site doesn't address any of the real issues, emissions, peak oil, nor the energy crisis. Cummin's not only knows nothing about sustainability but they apparently they don't even have enough common sense to see into the near future and see that people want off of the OPEC nipple and intend on getting there, now not latter. Maybe the CEO at Cummin's doesn't like country music. I have heard that US truckers are buying up the bio-willie fuel at every truck stop that sells the fuel made from 'Good ol' Boy corn oil. A company which posts oil company propaganda is telling me to call for a boycott of it's products. Here is an excerpt: Cummins test data on the operating effects of biodiesel fuels indicates that typically smoke, power, and fuel economy are all reduced. Are they saying, two out of three ain't bad? Yours truly, Brian Rodgers P.S. sorry some of the tables didn't copy and paste well follow the link above to see Cummin's data sets. What is Cummins' position on the use of Biodiesel fuel in Cummins engines? With increased interest in emissions and reducing the use of petroleum distillate based fuels, some governments and regulating bodies are encouraging the use of bio fuels. Biodiesel fuels should be considered experimental at this time. Governmental incentives and/or environmental legislation to use bio fuels may have an impact on the sales and use of Cummins engines. This document outlines Cummins criteria and parameters when using biodiesel fuel. SME or SOME 'Soy Methyl Ester' Diesel is the most common bio diesel in the U.S. and is derived from soybean oil. Soy Diesel is a biodiesel/petrodiesel blend based on SME. RME 'Rape Methyl Ester' Diesel is the most common biodiesel in Europe and is derived from rapeseed oil. These fuels are collectively known as Fatty Acid Methyl Esters (FAME). Fuel Characteristics Biodiesel fuels are methyl/ethyl ester-based oxygenates derived from a broad variety of renewable sources such as vegetable oils, animal fats, and cooking oils. Their properties are similar to diesel fuel, as opposed to gasoline or gaseous fuels, and thus are capable of being used in compression ignition engines. Biodiesel fuels have a lower energy content; about 89% of #2 diesel fuel, and is therefore a less efficient fuel. Its higher viscosity range (1.9-6.0 centistokes) vs 1.3-5.8 centistokes for diesel) helps offset the lower energy content through reduced barrel/plunger leakage resulting in slightly improved injection efficiency. Combining lower energy content and slightly improved injection efficiency, biodiesel fuel provides 5-7% less energy per gallon compared to diesel fuel. The cetane value of biodiesel fuel is 40 minimum compared to 42 minimum for Cummins diesel fuel specification. Biodiesel fuel has improved lubricity compared to standard diesel fuel. There are provisional specifications for FAME issued in Germany under DIN V 51 606, and also recently through ASTM PS-121, however these standards are under development and are subject to change. For additional information, refer to the Cummins diesel fuel specifications listed in Table 1 and to the ASTM provisional specification PS-121 for biodiesel fuels. Emissions It is the responsibility of the user to obtain the proper local, regional, and/or national exemptions required for the use of biodiesel in any emissions regulated Cummins engine. From the Comprehensive Health and Environmental Effects testing, a fuel blend consisting of 20% biodiesel and 80% diesel fuel (B20) can yield percent reductions ranging from 16-33% in particulates, 11-25% in Carbon Monoxide (CO), and 19-32% in Hydrocarbon (HC) emissions. The B20 biodiesel fuel blend will cause an increase in NOx of 2%. Performance and Durability Results Cummins test data on the operating effects of biodiesel fuels indicates that typically smoke, power, and fuel economy are all reduced. However, as there are no firm industry standards on the content and properties for bio fuels, consistency and predictability of biodiesel operation is not well documented. Biodiesel provides approximately 5-7% less energy per gallon of fuel when compared to distillate fuels. To avoid engine problems when the engine is converted back to 100% distillate diesel fuel, do not change the engine rating to compensate for the power loss when operated with biodiesel fuels. Elastomer compatibility with bio diesel is still being monitored. The condition
[Biofuel] Hyper Deliquescent Polymer Beads
Hi All I found this site http://www.hydrogenappliances.com/bioD.html#anchor966994 at http://biodiesel.tribe.net/thread/bb138ced-39da-48ac-94af-e25147c48196?r=10476 Anybody heard about these people? Brian Rodgers Acusorb(r) Beads Hyper Deliquescent Polymer Beads (Polymer contains Silver and Zinc chlorides and nitrates) Reuse them hundreds of times! Can be regenerated by heating! The Bio-Pass Process - (The UN- BioDiesel Method) WHAT IS BIO-PASS? Bio-Pass is a two stage combination process the consists of a Wicking filtration process followed by an adsorbsion process that occurs when the oil flows through a bed of polymer beads Water-bond adsorption media have gained continued acceptance for alternative oil-fuel processing Helps remove the water-bonded acid and water-bonded glycerin groups out of your waste oils, fats and fuels! GREEN AND BLACK OIL PROCESSING * Decontaminates ALL types of vegetable oils up to 97% clean. * Removes 99.99% of emulsified water and coolants from used engine oils and fluids. * Removes all types of water bonded molecules from oils and fats. * Turns mucky and milky waste oil emulsions into clear (non-opaque) burnable fuels. BIO-DIESEL ENHANCEMENT and ECONOMIZING * Can be used to wash or scrub impurities from Bio Diesel (Adjusts pH) * Drastically cuts the amounts of caustic alcohols necessary to make ASTM grade Bio-Diesel ! Run your vegetable oil through Bio-Pass filters and Acusorb(r) beads first and then make standard Bio-Diesel to ASTM standards with as little as 10% of the caustic alcohol solutions normally necessary! ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Peugeot 505 four cylinder turbo charged dieselvehicle!?
Thanks Jed On 10/11/05, DHAWA PESCAS, LDA [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Brian I remember a mechanic telling me almost 25 years ago that the hard starting problems on those motors was most often due to an uneven clearance between the top of the pistons and the cylinder head. The clearance on all four needs to be the same. This can be checked using a short piece of resin core soldering wire placed on the top of each piston before bolting the head down which will compress the wire giving you the clearance on each piston so you can skim off the pistons until they are equal. This is a totally cool idea. I never thought to use a technique from the old VW engine rebuilding days on the head. We used plastiguage between journals and bearing surfaces to check clearances. Solder, huh? That's smart. Thanks Brian Rodgers Amazing vehicles, we still have hundreds of them running around Zimbabwe and they are still being overloaded and treated badly and they are still going. Good luck, Jed - Original Message - From: Brian Rodgers [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 6:05 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Peugeot 505 four cylinder turbo charged dieselvehicle!? October 7, 2005 Hi everyone After three months of wishy washy thinking and anxiety over money to invest in my biodiesel project, this very moment my dream has been realized. I am now the proud owner of a 1981 Peugeot 505 four cylinder turbo charged diesel vehicle! I know what you are thinking, What's a American good ol' boy' doing with a Peugeot? Well, it is a long story, the short version is: If we live our lives in a spiritually wholesome and environmentally friendly fashion, we can expect good things to come to us. We don't need much and we have patience. Anyway, I said this is the short version right? We now have this car sitting here at the Ranch in northeastern New Mexico. It has only one mechanical problem that I can see; It is very hard to start, when it finally does it bellows blue-white smoke, and the coolant lines slowly begin to pressurize. The radiator hoses balloon up, very scary and we shut it down before they blow. At first glance it looks like a leaking head gasket. It is now sitting in front of my little workshop and I am so excited to finally have a car that I can make my own biodiesel for. Nevertheless, my rash days are past and I am content to ask first before I tear into anything mechanically. I ask for information. I am relatively new to Biofuels, but I do have a fine set of Mechanics tools, much updated from the days long ago when I was a factory trained VW mechanic. Please don't give me the negative perspective. If you do, I can take it. But I still have that wonderful glow a guy gets when he gets a new car to refurbish. How's that line go? Sing me the bad news! So far I have zero cash investment in this really cute little car. I have three Mercedes gas powered monsters which have been steadily moving closer to the ranch dump. I toyed with the idea of buying a 1982 300 Turbo Sedan that a friend has offered for $2000.00. I don't like the body style, too heavy, and we couldn't afford it anyway. This Peugeot is almost 1000 pounds lighter than my 1980 480SE. And damn, did I say it is sleek and in mint condition? So yeah that's the good news. Anybody out there have any experience with these? Looks like a very clean engine, but that may be because the radiator already washed it off with a steam bath. I have extended experience with petrol vehicles. My tools are metric and I love to read first then spin nuts after I at least think I understand. Diesel engines, this is only my second. I won't say what I did to the first one. I intend to make this motor sing again! So, I have heard of carbon buildup in the cylinders causing issues in dino-diesel motors. Any ideas? Things I could check. I suppose checking the compression through the spark plug holes is out of the question, lol. I will be looking for the factory service manual, unless it is written in French of course. Nah, I have factory service literature on the Benz and it is not in German. See how wishy washy I have become? Maybe it is the fog this morning, yeah fog in New Mexico, go figure. They have fog in France right? So how did my bio-diesel processing chemicals and WVO collecting go this week? Not well, physically. I talked it up pretty good, whatever that is worth. I think I know what I need to find for the test batches. A couple of little bottles of Heet (methanol). Blue or yellow? There is a bit of confusion in the biofuel group about this, and a jar of Red Devil drain opener (lye.) A five gallon can for transporting the WVO back to the ranch and a 12 volt pump for filling my container at the rear of the Mc Donald's. Oh, and I have to ask Vince, the owner of the local McDonald's, if is ok to use some of the WVO from his business. Ok, I am so
Re: [Biofuel] cost of B100 versus Petro in the Midwest USA
I want some. Even at twice that price Brian Rodgers On 10/12/05, logan vilas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know if it's just a really good source or what, but I was Quoted $1.10 per gallon for methanol. If I bring my own container. If I have to buy in 55 gallon drums then it is 1.57 per gallon. That was quoted 9/14/05 in Thibideaux, Louisiana. Logan Vilas - Original Message - From: Zeke Yewdall [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2005 10:40 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] cost of B100 versus Petro in the Midwest USA You forgot to add the road tax and a markup for profit to the biodiesel... Anyone who is selling biodiesel has those costs too. On 10/9/05, Jason and Katie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I sat here and figured up the ballpark cost of parts for BD in a 390 gallon batch-( i started my numbers with a full 55 gal. drum of methanol) for 2 barrels of methanol (have to have excess) ~550$ for 390 gal. oil. .Haul-off for 40 lbs lye(VERY rough estimate)~140$ for one cannister of bottle gas (heat source)..~25$ Total C.O.P... .~715$ Results (Approximate) ~340 Gallons of ester ~47 Gallons reclaimed methanol ~43 gallons glycerine Market Value of 340 Gal. of diesel @ 2.60$/Gal...~884$ Your Savings. ...~169$ not to mention if you use the glycerine as a heat source through any of the available ways (digester gas, directly burning it, etc.) the heating costs will fall off entirely, and methanol will become cheaper the more you reclaim the excess, and we could always go to ethanol and add that to the equation, which has it's own COP. there are always options. Now, having read this, can you still tell me BD is more expensive than Petro? --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Cummins unaware of fuel crisis?
From: http://www.cummins.com/na/pages/en/customerassistance/faq/answers.cfm?uuid=000947AD-64AE-1B8D-BCF080C4A8F0 I found reference to this on my Peugeot group. The narrow minded diesel car owner (Ugly American) which sent it out more or less says, Lose some power? Hell no, I'll stick with burning fossil fuel, thank you! People have every right to be ignorant. Why do so many people have to fall for the propaganda? It's a power issue alright, but nothing to do with vehicle acceleration. Hook line and sinker. In my opinion what Cummins has on its site doesn't address any of the real issues, emissions, peak oil, nor the energy crisis. Cummins not only knows nothing about sustainability but they apparently they don't even have enough common sense to see into the near future and see that people want off of the OPEC nipple. Maybe the CEO at Cummins doesn't like country music. I have heard that US truckers are buying up the bio-willie fuel at every truck stop that sells the fuel made from 'Good ol' Boy corn oil. When a company writes oil company propaganda like this, it is enough for me to call for a boycott of it's products. What is Cummins' position on the use of Biodiesel fuel in Cummins engines? Background With increased interest in emissions and reducing the use of petroleum distillate based fuels, some governments and regulating bodies are encouraging the use of bio fuels. Biodiesel fuels should be considered experimental at this time. Governmental incentives and/or environmental legislation to use bio fuels may have an impact on the sales and use of Cummins engines. This document outlines Cummins criteria and parameters when using biodiesel fuel. SME or SOME 'Soy Methyl Ester' Diesel is the most common bio diesel in the U.S. and is derived from soybean oil. Soy Diesel is a biodiesel/petrodiesel blend based on SME. RME 'Rape Methyl Ester' Diesel is the most common biodiesel in Europe and is derived from rapeseed oil. These fuels are collectively known as Fatty Acid Methyl Esters (FAME). Fuel Characteristics Biodiesel fuels are methyl/ethyl ester-based oxygenates derived from a broad variety of renewable sources such as vegetable oils, animal fats, and cooking oils. Their properties are similar to diesel fuel, as opposed to gasoline or gaseous fuels, and thus are capable of being used in compression ignition engines. Biodiesel fuels have a lower energy content; about 89% of #2 diesel fuel, and is therefore a less efficient fuel. Its higher viscosity range (1.9-6.0 centistokes) vs 1.3-5.8 centistokes for diesel) helps offset the lower energy content through reduced barrel/plunger leakage resulting in slightly improved injection efficiency. Combining lower energy content and slightly improved injection efficiency, biodiesel fuel provides 5-7% less energy per gallon compared to diesel fuel. The cetane value of biodiesel fuel is 40 minimum compared to 42 minimum for Cummins diesel fuel specification. Biodiesel fuel has improved lubricity compared to standard diesel fuel. There are provisional specifications for FAME issued in Germany under DIN V 51 606, and also recently through ASTM PS-121, however these standards are under development and are subject to change. For additional information, refer to the Cummins diesel fuel specifications listed in Table 1 and to the ASTM provisional specification PS-121 for biodiesel fuels. Emissions It is the responsibility of the user to obtain the proper local, regional, and/or national exemptions required for the use of biodiesel in any emissions regulated Cummins engine. From the Comprehensive Health and Environmental Effects testing, a fuel blend consisting of 20% biodiesel and 80% diesel fuel (B20) can yield percent reductions ranging from 16-33% in particulates, 11-25% in Carbon Monoxide (CO), and 19-32% in Hydrocarbon (HC) emissions. The B20 biodiesel fuel blend will cause an increase in NOx of 2%. Performance and Durability Results Cummins test data on the operating effects of biodiesel fuels indicates that typically smoke, power, and fuel economy are all reduced. However, as there are no firm industry standards on the content and properties for bio fuels, consistency and predictability of biodiesel operation is not well documented. Biodiesel provides approximately 5-7% less energy per gallon of fuel when compared to distillate fuels. To avoid engine problems when the engine is converted back to 100% distillate diesel fuel, do not change the engine rating to compensate for the power loss when operated with biodiesel fuels. Elastomer compatibility with bio diesel is still being monitored. The condition of seals, hoses, gaskets, and wire coatings should be monitored regularly. Cummins certifies its engines using the prescribed EPA and European Certification Fuels. Cummins does not certify engines on any other fuel. It is the user's responsibility to use the correct fuel as recommended by the manufacturer and allowed by EPA or other local
Re: [Biofuel] SUV Drivers in Paris Get Wind Knocked Out of Them
I too dislike the Hummer I am satisfied with bad vibing them and amusing myself and friends of the absurdity of the daddy's war wagon mentality. truly, Brian Rodgers On 10/11/05, Burak_l [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good for you! I do not own an SUV. BUT, I don't think anybody has the right to take away somebody elses mobility. The person may need to get to hospital or to his business urgently. Think about the situation he is in. I agree that SUVs are using more fuel and Hummer is a nuissance in the city. But we can ot attack somebody elses vehicle simply because we decide we can do so.. Mey peace be with you Burak. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Joe Street Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 4:45 PM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] SUV Drivers in Paris Get Wind Knocked Out of Them ROFLMFAO! I considered, more than once doing the same thing every time I see a humvee parked somewhere. Trouble is I believe these things can inflate thier own tires! The vehicles are disgusting though. Another idea I thought of would be to find some kind of paint pen which could be used to write a message on the glass windows such as oil is finite or Global warming or just peak oil something which could be written quickly of course because I hate getting beat up! Also the writing could be scraped off with a razor leaving no harm done but the message would have been recieved and probable seen by a few others before the owner figures out how to remove the message. In the winter when SUV's are covered in salt and road grime or when i see a dusty one I always stop to write these messages with my finger in the dirt. Vive la resistance! Joe Frantz DESPREZ wrote: SUV Drivers in Paris Get Wind Knocked Out of Them A clandestine group lets air out of tires as a form of protest. The vehicles' owners are not amused. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Peugeot 505 four cylinder turbo chargeddiesel vehicle!?
Thanks Derick On 10/9/05, Derick Giorchino [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As for the compression 18 to 24 2/1 that is old school #s as for the head gasket there used to be a product out there called copper seal I thought about this and I can't imagine it will work. With the high compression of the diesel engine there will be no way to get the sealant into the leak. Cylinder pressure will keep it away from the leak. I used it in a friends van years ago since he had $0s and needed to get his van up so he could earn the cash to fix it the right way. He never did the last time I saw him several years back he was still driving the same van and never had another problem with the head gasket. This may be a stretch but wht the hell if it works eaven for a short while the $3 to $4 investment could help you for now . Good luck Derick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of S. Chapin Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 9:35 PM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Peugeot 505 four cylinder turbo chargeddiesel vehicle!? Brian Rodgers wrote: Ok thanks I realise that the compression should be comparatively similar between cylinders, any ideas on what basic (ball park) compression should be on a diesel engine? Antone know of a trick to seal the coolant system for a minor leak coming from head gasket? Wishful thinking? From the looks of the coolant I flushed out someone already tried the bronse flake sealant. Cheers Brian Rodgers ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Yup, wishful. the reality is that if the head gasket is blown, or the head has enough of a hole on the exhaust side ( a crack between intake and exhaust valves is a spot to look) then the compression is going to be slightly different now, and very different later. Given evidence of a fix in a can' effort already, and expanding hoses go for a sincere diagnosis. To continue running it, however delightful will lead to disaster. I'm not sure you couldnt swap in a newer xd3te motor or even older (ack). If the rest of the thing, trans,electrical,suspension is in good shape. If this is an xd2s, I would rebuild it, maybe 1200 for the parts and machine work (only guessing).How many miles on it?? From what I can gather the turbo peugeot motor is far more efficient than MB, if a bit less robust. If you want I'd trade you the 220d thats in the rover. nahh you're better off fixing the peugeot. Cheers, SC ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Peugeot 505 Cooling System Problems...
Hey that's pretty cool thanks
These Haynes manuals really blow, to steal a phrase from my son.
However they are better than nothing, right?
Unfortunately here is an excerpt from this page:
Peugeot 2.0, 2.1, 2.3 2.5 Litre Diesel Engines ('74 to '90) (Service
and Repair Manuals) (Hardcover)
by Ian Coomber
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A quote from, Oh Brother where art thou?
Sorry I am being silly.
I do apreciate the help. Now I know Haynes makes a book and I can ask
my local autoparts dealer for it by part #.
Trully,
Brian Rodgers
On 10/9/05, F. Desprez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Brian Rodgers a écrit :
(...)
No owners manual in the glove box was disappointing.
but you can get one, even in English for you're 505 diesel engine
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/185010607X/qid=1128891543/sr=1-29/ref=sr_1_29/102-7505173-9576937?v=glances=books
or for the full car in french ...
http://www.amazon.fr/exec/obidos/ASIN/2726872913/atixiercom-21/402-5308666-1133711
or in english but not for diesel
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0856967629/atixiercom-20/102-7505173-9576937
frantz
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Re: [Biofuel] Peugeot 505 four cylinder turbo charged diesel
Very good idea thanks Doug. On 10/9/05, Doug Foskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Search on the web: you may be lucky. The Haynes manualwould be available from book suppliers (but there are some inaccuracies in Haynes manuals: but they are better than nothing!) See the other similar threads for my comments on Haynes. You are right nevertheless. There is also a seller on ebay selling CDs of manuals: there could be one available there (UK supplier) Like the Mitchell's on demand set? Yeah I keep meaning to pirate those, somehow I have never got to it. But then I would need a PC in the workshop. Don't know, wishy-washy again. Truly, Brian regards Doug On Saturday 08 October 2005 10:57, Brian Rodgers wrote: Hello everybody Thank you so much for the replies. I was told when I got this car that it had a blown head gasket. The reasoning the mechanic used was excess pressure on the coolant system. Also, now that I have started the engine a few times it fires up pretty quick. Here is an excerpt from a note I sent to a friend this afternoon. It may give you a heads up on what is happening. I just made some changes to the coolant lines and it made a big difference. I took it for the 'first' test drive, sweet!!! What I have found so far: Fan clutch slipping. In-line thermostat??? Yeah the thermostat was jammed inside the big hose coming from the head to radiator, with two hose clamps holding it in place. That can't be right. Anyway it's working- I tested it in boiling water Also upon inspection there is slight discoloration on the Thermostat inflow side, looks like exhaust smoke. Still blowing white smoke when idling. Smoke turns black when accelerating. Shifts great, all gears work. No speedo. As you can see it may indeed be a blown head gasket. Although no oil emulsion (coolant in oil) and no oil in coolant. What I would really like is a shop manual for this car. If I am going to pull the head I feel better if I know where everything goes back to. Not to mention, torques and bolt tightening patterns. Does anyone know of a good Peugeot parts supplier? Again thanks for the info and help. Brian Rodgers ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Mercedes 84
I used to say I was in the garage turning wrenches. Then I got air tools and had to modify my terminology since the wench doesn't spin, just the nuts... You got it. When my wife asked what I was doing, I would say,Nutin honey. Brian Rodgers ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Peugeot 505 four cylinder turbo charged diesel vehicle!?
October 7, 2005 Hi everyone After three months of wishy washy thinking and anxiety over money to invest in my biodiesel project, this very moment my dream has been realized. I am now the proud owner of a 1981 Peugeot 505 four cylinder turbo charged diesel vehicle! I know what you are thinking, What's a American good ol' boy' doing with a Peugeot? Well, it is a long story, the short version is: If we live our lives in a spiritually wholesome and environmentally friendly fashion, we can expect good things to come to us. We don't need much and we have patience. Anyway, I said this is the short version right? We now have this car sitting here at the Ranch in northeastern New Mexico. It has only one mechanical problem that I can see; It is very hard to start, when it finally does it bellows blue-white smoke, and the coolant lines slowly begin to pressurize. The radiator hoses balloon up, very scary and we shut it down before they blow. At first glance it looks like a leaking head gasket. It is now sitting in front of my little workshop and I am so excited to finally have a car that I can make my own biodiesel for. Nevertheless, my rash days are past and I am content to ask first before I tear into anything mechanically. I ask for information. I am relatively new to Biofuels, but I do have a fine set of Mechanics tools, much updated from the days long ago when I was a factory trained VW mechanic. Please don't give me the negative perspective. If you do, I can take it. But I still have that wonderful glow a guy gets when he gets a new car to refurbish. How's that line go? Sing me the bad news! So far I have zero cash investment in this really cute little car. I have three Mercedes gas powered monsters which have been steadily moving closer to the ranch dump. I toyed with the idea of buying a 1982 300 Turbo Sedan that a friend has offered for $2000.00. I don't like the body style, too heavy, and we couldn't afford it anyway. This Peugeot is almost 1000 pounds lighter than my 1980 480SE. And damn, did I say it is sleek and in mint condition? So yeah that's the good news. Anybody out there have any experience with these? Looks like a very clean engine, but that may be because the radiator already washed it off with a steam bath. I have extended experience with petrol vehicles. My tools are metric and I love to read first then spin nuts after I at least think I understand. Diesel engines, this is only my second. I won't say what I did to the first one. I intend to make this motor sing again! So, I have heard of carbon buildup in the cylinders causing issues in dino-diesel motors. Any ideas? Things I could check. I suppose checking the compression through the spark plug holes is out of the question, lol. I will be looking for the factory service manual, unless it is written in French of course. Nah, I have factory service literature on the Benz and it is not in German. See how wishy washy I have become? Maybe it is the fog this morning, yeah fog in New Mexico, go figure. They have fog in France right? So how did my bio-diesel processing chemicals and WVO collecting go this week? Not well, physically. I talked it up pretty good, whatever that is worth. I think I know what I need to find for the test batches. A couple of little bottles of Heet (methanol). Blue or yellow? There is a bit of confusion in the biofuel group about this, and a jar of Red Devil drain opener (lye.) A five gallon can for transporting the WVO back to the ranch and a 12 volt pump for filling my container at the rear of the Mc Donald's. Oh, and I have to ask Vince, the owner of the local McDonald's, if is ok to use some of the WVO from his business. Ok, I am so excited about our new diesel that I am totally torn between writing and thinking about it and going out into the fog and starting… something, anything… How about learning? Sincerely, Brian Rodgers ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Peugeot 505 four cylinder turbo charged diesel vehicle!?
Wow, too cool, you all are. I knew I was in the right place to learn. Dammit all, there is so much to learn. Thanks Juan, I was hoping there was something I could do right away before I find a service manual. Flushing the coolant is a great idea. I will pull off some of the worse looking hoses and take a look inside for blockage. A friend and I were looking for the thermostat which seems like it should be near the outlet of the head but we were unable to see anything that looked like one.I will go out there to the shop and look again at that hose which is ballooning when the engine is running. I have a feeling the thermostat is inside the hose because there is an odd size reduction on the outlet from the head. I am a book person, well tech books anyway. So, let me ask you (all) this: Does anyone have the service manual for the Peugeot 505 diesel? Next Dammit again Keith, heehee. You have so much going on with your website. Sorry, somehow I missed the Best car in the world section completely. Just goes to show; I must be living my life right. First I found this list and then I switched away from thinking ethanol to doing biodiesel and a whole new world opens up for me. How in the heck did I manage to scavenge such a fine diesel vehicle completely unaware? Thank you for everything, people. Now I know I can make this little sweetie sing again. Also I joined the Peugeot yahoo group. I just gotta find the books for this gem. Again, I am back to http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_404.html Reading, reading and learning. Great site Keith. I am soon to be a real biodiesel man. Sincerely, Brian Rodgers ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Peugeot 505 Cooling System Problems...
Fantastic Michael. Thank you so much for the advice. Simple things often cause people a lot of trouble, while we sit thinking, Well I 'm screwed if it is this or that. Better to begin at the beginning. Your advice is perfect for me. Although I was a highly skilled auto mechanic twenty years ago doesn't mean I remember all the little tricks. Yes that was a long time ago in a galaxy far away. One thing I have going for me is I still trouble shoot for a living, computers now and electronics for ten years. At best, with vehicles I have become a tinker. Because of the energy crisis I have recently started working at home three days per week. I am loving it too. Now instead of worrying whether my customers can afford to give me enough extra cash to drive to town five days per week I can do more things for myself and family right here at home. Of course the biodiesel and now this Peugeot which I understand from the wikipedia once I get it running efficiently may attain 45 mpg! Yeah I'm lucky. Still, I would rather trouble shoot than start pulling components off. Back to the issues with the car. I did check the oil and no emulsion. I was glad to see clean but black oil. Typical for a diesel I understand. No oil in the coolant either. Haven't found the therostat yet, but I think it will be at the coolant outlet on the head, maybe inside the hose. No owners manual in the glove box was disappointing. In the trunk I found twenty years worth of service invoices. I didn't find one for a top end rebuild but the head is marked with paint pen like it may have been off recently. Not to worry I know the saying, assumption is the mother of all fuckups. Truly, thanks Brian Rodgers ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Peugeot 505 four cylinder turbo charged diesel vehicle!?
Hello everybody Thank you so much for the replies. I was told when I got this car that it had a blown head gasket. The reasoning the mechanic used was excess pressure on the coolant system. Also, now that I have started the engine a few times it fires up pretty quick. Here is an excerpt from a note I sent to a friend this afternoon. It may give you a heads up on what is happening. I just made some changes to the coolant lines and it made a big difference. I took it for the 'first' test drive, sweet!!! What I have found so far: Fan clutch slipping. In-line thermostat??? Yeah the thermostat was jammed inside the big hose coming from the head to radiator, with two hose clamps holding it in place. That can't be right. Anyway it's working- I tested it in boiling water Also upon inspection there is slight discoloration on the Thermostat inflow side, looks like exhaust smoke. Still blowing white smoke when idling. Smoke turns black when accelerating. Shifts great, all gears work. No speedo. As you can see it may indeed be a blown head gasket. Although no oil emulsion (coolant in oil) and no oil in coolant. What I would really like is a shop manual for this car. If I am going to pull the head I feel better if I know where everything goes back to. Not to mention, torques and bolt tightening patterns. Does anyone know of a good Peugeot parts supplier? Again thanks for the info and help. Brian Rodgers ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Peugeot 505 four cylinder turbo charged diesel vehicle!?
Ok thanks I realise that the compression should be comparatively similar between cylinders, any ideas on what basic (ball park) compression should be on a diesel engine? Antone know of a trick to seal the coolant system for a minor leak coming from head gasket? Wishful thinking? From the looks of the coolant I flushed out someone already tried the bronse flake sealant. Cheers Brian Rodgers ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Bill Maher's closing bit
A friend who recently returned from England to the US wrote: Yes, I'm back with a whole new perspective on politics here in America. Helloo, sheeple. We are being fed the White House line by the unquestioning TV news, and print journalism isn't much better. No one is searching for the truth, they're just swallowing the Bush spin whole. I watched the BBC news the last two weeks and then came back to see the same stories spun from the other side on our news. For example, according to US news outlets, there is great progress in training Iraqi troops to take over. According to BBC, ain't happening, ain't gonna happen anytime soon and may never happen. Who do you believe? Also, the Brits have a very poor opinion of the Dubya and question why their sons and daughters are also being sent to fight for the Bush dynasty oil. Good question. When I returned, I found a friend of mine had sent me this. I think it makes a very legitimate point. It's something Bill Maher said on his show, which I don't see often enough as I don't get premium cable. His closing bit the other night: Mr. President, this job can't be fun for you any more. There's no more money to spend--you used up all of that. You can't start another war because you used up the army. And now, darn the luck, the rest of your term has become the Bush family nightmare: helping poor people. Listen to your Mom. The cupboard's bare, the credit cards maxed out. No one's speaking to you. Mission accomplished. Now it's time to do what you've always done best: lose interest and walk away. Like you did with your military service and the oil company and the baseball team. It's time. Time to move on and try the next fantasy job. How about cowboy or space man? Now I know what you're saying: there's so many other things that you as President could involve yourself in. Please don't. I know, I know. There's a lot left to do. There's a war with Venezuela. Eliminating the sales tax on yachts. Turning the space program over to the church. And Social Security to Fannie Mae. Giving embryos the vote. But, Sir, none of that is going to happen now. Why? Because you govern like Billy Joel drives. You've performed so poorly I'm surprised that you haven't given yourself a medal. You're a catastrophe that walks like a man. Herbert Hoover was a shitty president, but even he never conceded an entire city to rising water and snakes. On your watch, we've lost almost all of our allies, the surplus, four airliners, two trade centers, a piece of the Pentagon and the City of New Orleans. Maybe you're just not lucky. I'm not saying you don't love this country. I'm just wondering how much worse it could be if you were on the other side. So, yes, God does speak to you. What he is saying is: 'Take a hint.' ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Red Devil Lye - Roebic
I thank you very much. On 10/3/05, Paul S Cantrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, Lowe's carries lye in the US under the brand name Roebic. They do NOT appear to ship it. US$7.66 + tax for 908 grams here in Charleston, South Carolina. Claims to be 100% NaOH Roebic 2 Lbs. Heavy Duty Crystal Drain Opener Item #: 146450 Model: HD-CRY Description: Contains 100% Sodium Hydroxide (caustic soda) This is just the kind of info I need to get started. If I see this info five or so times it just may have a chance to sink in. Keith said I should just get started. At the moment I am content to read and research as I don't own a diesel engine. I am in no rush. The alternative is to make ethanol which is why I joined to this group to begin with. It seems to me like bio-diesel is a whole lot simpler. So for me just getting started is finding where the chemicals can be had locally. Your info did just that. I live in New Mexico and we have a Lowes. Now I need, I know, always something else, where do I get methanol for my test batches? Slowly but surely, Brian Rodgers ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] SUCCESS!!
Congrats I too need to find methanol however since I am terrible with numbers and I have as yet not made the strides you have in creating a test batch, I am unclear how much methanol would be needed for say 20 gallons per week of finished biodiesel? I can see from this group and at the JTF web site it does depend on the quality of WVO, nevertheless, I would like a ball park figure so I can better picture what I will need to become more self sufficient. Sincerely, Brian Rodgers On 10/3/05, Jason Schick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I live in Phoenix, AZ and Western States Petroleum sells it in bulk for 2.67/gal. They are a petroleum distributor. I imagine you can find similar businesses around. Jason -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Zeke Yewdall Sent: Monday, October 03, 2005 10:03 AM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] SUCCESS!! Apparently around here you can buy methanol from the pump at the local race course -- the race cars use it for fuel. It's around $5/gallon or so I think. If you can find any race car people in your area, they may know where to get it. Zeke On 10/3/05, ReZn0r [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Bobby, Congratulations!!! The first step exciting isnŽt it?? ;-) Con fecha lunes, 03 de octubre de 2005, 15:56:14, escribiste: BC OK, so my first test batch was a success! I am now thinking of scaling up, BC but I need to find a cheaper supply of methanol. Any suggestions? BC Thanks, BC Bobby Clark BC ___ BC Biofuel mailing list BC Biofuel@sustainablelists.org BC http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org BC Biofuel at Journey to Forever: BC http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html BC Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): BC http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Un Saludo, ReZn0rmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] DIGESTS - PLEASE READ!!!!! - was Re: Biofuel Digest, Vol 6, Issue 9
What the heck is this? noname? Brian Rodgers On 10/3/05, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Red Devil Lye - Roebic-Heet
hey thanks. yeah I caught that Kim pointed to the source but I was congtating you for the test batch. Anyway here I go again, Paul wrote: Advance Auto Parts has Heet (yellow bottle) on sale this week for *only* US$0.98 per 12 oz (355 ml) Why do you mention this? Is heet methanol? If so, does the bottle list the purity? Again thanks for the help. I am currently reading (Again) the info found here. http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_aleksnew.html#easymeth Keith I hope I don't sound like a complete idiot but that is a lot of information for me to organize in my mind. This group is a great source of info for a dope like me who has to ask it over and over to get a handle on it. to you all thanks. Brian Rodgers ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Red Devil Lye - Roebic-Heet
Hey thanks On 10/3/05, Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: HEET blue is Methanol. .98 is expensive try a dollar store or discount store - I paid .69 Brian ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Red Devil Lye - Roebic-Heet
this sounds like good advice On 10/3/05, Derick Giorchino [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi as I figure this is almost $10.50 a gal I get mine at a fuel oil supplier at $2.35 that's including the taxes. So this brings me back to the original question. How much lye and methanol is the average biodieseler using per week? Brian ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Red Devil Lye
Would you say that Red Devil Lye is or was the best source of Potassium hydroxide? As It is way too early in the morning here in New Mexico and I have difficulties remembering which chemicals are which I looked up potassium hydroxide again. Maybe it will stick this time. The Columbia Encyclopedia, Sixth Edition. 2001-05. potassium hydroxide chemical compound with formula KOH. Pure potassium hydroxide forms white, deliquescent crystals. For commercial and laboratory use it is usually in the form of white pellets. A strong base, it dissolves readily in water, giving off much heat and forming a strongly alkaline, caustic solution (see acids and bases). It is commonly called caustic potash. It closely resembles sodium hydroxide in its chemical properties and has similar uses, e.g., in making soap, in bleaching, and in manufacturing chemicals, but is less widely used because of its higher cost. It is prepared chiefly by electrolysis of potassium chloride; commercial grades of it sometimes contain the chloride as well as other impurities. Also, my son and his best friend work at the local university, I asked them what type of equipment they can get their hands on to test the purity of household chemicals. It is my understanding that methanol can also be found in general goods stores if one knows what to look for. BBQ lighter fluid has no ingredients listing on the side like it should, but I am sure I have read here that it is based on methanol, true or no? I asked the guys to look for a gas chromagraph at school. Can some of the laboratory types verify this would be a good piece of equipment for the younger generation to learn how to use? I have the worst memory for new information so I have digested every message in this group as well as a few other sources in an attempt to memorise terms and processes. Unfortunately, as the old song or saying goes, I got a job, but it don't pay, thus my means and enthusiasm are constantly struggling for dominance. In other words I desperately need to find cheap or free equipment and chemicals 'and' I need to have alternate sources for as much of the needed stuff so I can better figure this all out while I am in the thinking about it stages of making my own biodiesel. Please any help which you lab techies can give us about analysing chemicals will be greatly appreciated. Sincerely, Brian Rodgers ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] United States Orders Military Redeployments
Anybody else seen this? What is your take on it? Brian Rodgers September 15, 2005 http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index822.htm United States Orders Military Redeployments Within Their Borders as Massive Volcanic Activity Detected In Their Pacific Coast and New Madrid Fault Zone Regions By: Sorcha Faal, and as reported to her Russian Subscribers Russian Intelligence Analysts are reporting today that the Military Leaders of the United States have ordered their Internal Military Forces to redeploy to 'Ready Position Ophelia' in anticipation of what Russian Scientists are reporting as an impending cataclysmic event that could potentially devastate the entire United States. These reports today reconfirm our report of September 6th titled ' Operation Ophelia' Begins In United States as Plan for 'Major Cataclysmic Event' Put Into Effect, NORTHCOM Assumes Control over Entire Country, and wherein we had stated, Russian Intelligence Analysts are reporting today that the Military Leaders of the United States have begun the implementation of what the Americans are calling 'Operation Ophelia', and which calls for the dividing of the United States into separate Military Districts under the command of their newly established North American Defense Division of NORTHCOM. According to these reports 'Operation Ophelia' was originated as a strategic plan for the total changing of American society based upon '2 or more' cataclysmic events occurring in their country over a period of 6 months, and as these reports further show these American Military Leaders are now 'convinced' are about to occur. And our August 25th report titled United States Warns Foreign Governments of 'Impending' Internal Crises While Massive American Troop Movements Continue, and wherein we had stated, Russian Intelligence Analysts are reporting today that the Military Leaders of the United States have communicated to many of the worlds leaders that a 'crises' is about to occur in their country and further warning that any 'outside' interference into the internal affairs of the United States will be met with 'swift and sure' action. This unprecedented warning comes at a time when multiple threats are confronting not only the United States, but also the entire world, and which include; 1.) An impending flu pandemic estimated to kill upwards of 1 billion people; 2.) An acceleration of Global Weather Changes destroying up to 20% of this years crops in many Western Nations; 3.) The skyrocketing costs of oil threatening the stability of the Worlds Financial Markets; 4.) The impending crackdown on American citizens and imposition of Martial Law; and 5.) Growing instability in the very core of the Earth itself giving rise to fears of mass earthquakes and volcanic activity on a scale not seen in modern times. The immediacy of the present actions being taken by the Military Leaders of the United States are appearing to be related the growing series of events relating to our earths core which has become so destabilized that according to Russian Scientists means a 'major geological correction' is imminent, and with each passing day shows this 'correction ' taking place on the North American Plate. One of the greatest concerns voiced by Russian Scientists is over the Australian Continent earthquakes of this past week and whose antipodal counterpart is the southern edge of the North American Plate where it meets the Caribbean Plate, and has in turn begun the movement of lava in both the New Madrid and Northwestern Regions of North America. In the New Madrid Region this is evidenced by the seismograph readings of this area showing an increasing number of what are called Long Period Events, and are described by the American Government Scientist, Dr. Bernard Chouet, that discovered them as being, The concept of long-period events was originally used by people at the Hawaiian Volcano Observatory to describe an event that has characteristics distinct from a so-called tectonic earthquake. If you're looking at a seismogram of a tectonic earthquake, its spectrum is very broad. In contrast, a long-period event has a very, very sharp spectrum, what we call a resonant spectrum. If you compare seismic traces, it's immediately apparent that the long-period event looks like a ringing bell and the other looks like a mess of all different frequencies piled up on each other. That very, very narrow spectrum is the telltale sign of a resonator. Think of a bell sound. An organ pipe. They're all different types of resonators in nature. To the power of Dr. Chouet's to correctly predict volcanic activity prior to even earthquakes occurring by the detection of these Long Period Events has been reported on many times in the worlds media, such as the BBC's program titled 'Volcano Hell' , and wherein they stated about this American Scientists discovery, This is the story of a signal with the power to save lives. It is a line on a graph that scientists had puzzled over
Re: [Biofuel] United States Orders Military Redeployments
This sounds weird alright. I'm leaning toward a hoax as well. Anytime I hear something about Russian scientists... I googled New Madrid fault, found http://quake.ualr.edu/public/nmfz.htm What's weird is, I keep hearing new stuff everyday in this group. My ignorance does not amuse me. I may have heard of this fault (location) but I didn't know or recall the name. We rarely have tremors here in Northern New Mexico but we had a pretty good ground shake during the Summer. I left Southern California after the big quake in 1971, it scared the crap out of me. Well, that and Uncle Sam asked me to attend the party in Viet Nam. Between the two events I was feeling pretty fragile. Mother Nature can react badly to human nature it seems. Or did I detect this paranoid idea from this conspiracy theory message? Brian Rodgers P.S. I managed to stay out of the uniform and never went back to California either. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Minnesota becomes first US state to require biodiesel
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20050928/sc_afp/usenergyoilgas_050928134802 Minnesota becomes first US state to require biodiesel Wed Sep 28, 1:08 PM ET MINNEAPOLIS, United States (AFP) - Minnesota will from Thursday demand that all diesel fuel sold in the US state be partly distilled from soybeans in a bid to take a bite out of the nation's appetite for crude oil. The northern state is the first in the United States to pass a law to promote biodiesel, fuel made from agricultural oils and fats, said Ralph Groschen, senior marketing specialist at the Minnesota Department of Agriculture. The new mandate comes as the cost of oil hovers around 65 dollars a barrel. Car fuel prices have hit three dollars a gallon at times in the United States -- having risen more than 80 percent in the past three years -- while two hurricanes have disrupted fuel production in the Gulf of Mexico. President George W. Bush recently signed a new energy bill which included tax breaks for biodiesel. The requirement was originally passed in 2002, but its implementation delayed until biodiesel production was sufficient. Minnesota is the biggest US producer of the soybean-based alternative fuel already sold at more than 200 service stations in the state. Two plants are rolling out their first batches of biodiesel, with plans to ship most of the production out of state. One plant is in Alberta Lea, south of Minneapolis, and another is in Brewster, in southwestern Minnesota. Groschen said Minnesota, a huge producer of soybeans and corn, can learn from the lesson set by Europe's acceptance of alternative fuels. They're out ahead of us, and we're just trying to make it happen here, Groschen said. They've blazed some of the trails. He cited higher taxes on petroleum in Europe as one catalyst for the acceptance of alternatives to fossil fuels. As US taxes are lower perhaps the pain hasn't been quite as severe here as it has been over there, Groschen said. Ours is still fairly cheap. That decision perhaps moved them forward on this quicker than it did in the United States, but now with these oil prices we're moving to catch up and to develop our renewable fuels. In Albert Lea, lush soybean fields surround the new SoyMor biodiesel plant, which uses the latest technology to avoid emitting pollution. Farmers who had joined together in a cooperative, took a gamble on investing in the venture, as did two other farmer cooperatives. The plant is one of three in which more than 3,000 Minnesota farmers have invested millions of dollars, Groschen said. Minnesota is coming on very strong with biodiesel and has led the way in many respects for biodiesel development in the United States, said Jenna Higgins, spokeswoman for the National Biodiesel Board. The two big plants, along with the smaller Farmers Union Marketing and Processing Association, plan to produce 63 million gallons of biodiesel per year, officials said. Meanwhile, multinational companies such as Cargill Inc., based in Minnetonka, Minn., and Archer Daniels Midland of Decatur, Ill., are planning US biodiesel refineries, as they have done in Europe. Last year, about 35 plants made about 30 million gallons of biodiesel in the United States. The US Agriculture Department predicts that volume will grow to 124 million gallons or more this year. Demand is growing because of Minnesota's mandate and a tax break in Illinois for blends above 10 percent biodiesel, Higgins said. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Caustic Soda supply source?
Maybe something to do with gmail I too was given the same message this morning and I have gmail. On 9/26/05, Evergreen Solutions [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For some reason the list kicked me, something about too many bounces? I reactivated, but I missed a couple posts. Thanks for the responses to this thread, I read them on the archives, and since someone wanted the results I'll post what I've found so far... Brian Rodgers ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Anyone actually distilling their own ethanol?
I don't recall if you gave your Geo-political location but this site for US citizens has lots of information. http://www.eere.energy.gov/consumerinfo/reading_resources/vb4.html Brian Rodgers P.S. Note the last tid-bit list below. Making and Using Your Own Ethanol: Reading and Resource List The following are sources of information on small-scale ethyl alcohol (ethanol) production and use for fuel. You may obtain the publications from your local library or from the source as indicated. Publications Alcohol Motor Fuel: Step by Step Procedures for the Modification of a Car's Engine to Run on Alcohol with Instructions on How to Build an Ethanol Still, Gordon Press Publishers, 1991. Out of print. Brown's Second Alcohol Fuel Cookbook, M. Brown, Tab Books, 1981. Out of print. Convert Your Car to Alcohol Fuel, K. Drane, Marathon International Book Company, 1980. Out of print. Fermentation Guide for Common Grains, Solar Energy Research Institute, 1981. 38 pp. Available from National Technical Information Service (NTIS), Order No. DE84009392. Forget the Gas Pumps—Make Your Own Fuel, J. Wortham and B. Whiteneck, Marathon International Book Company, 1979. Out of print. Fuel from Farms: A Guide to Small-Scale Ethanol Production, 2nd Edition, Solar Energy Research Institute, 1982. 165 pp. Available from NTIS, Order No. DE87003459. How to Make Your Own Alcohol Fuels (2nd Ed.), L. Carrey, Tab Books, 1981. Out of print. How to Make Your Own Fuel: Instant Ethanol, Revisionist Press, 1991. Out of print. How to Modify Your Car to Run on Alcohol Fuel (Guidelines for Converting Gasoline Engines, with Specific Instructions for Air-Cooled Volkswagens), R. Lippman, 1982. The Junkyard Still: Producing Ethanol in Your Backyard, Gordon Press Publishers, 1991. Out of print. Large and Small-Scale Ethyl Alcohol Manufacturing Processes from Agricultural Raw Materials, Noyes Data Corporation, 1980. ISBN: 0815508158. Out of print. Makin' It On the Farm: Alcohol Fuel is the Road to Independence, M. Nellis, Buffalo Creek Press. Making Your Own Motor Fuel with Home and Farm Alcohol Stills, F. Stetson, Garden Way Publishing, 1980. Out of print. A Small Scale Ethanol Fuel Plant Package, Solstice Publications. It contains a Plant Handbook, a Procurement and Installation Specifications Manual, and Construction Blueprints. The package includes plans for 6, 20, or 40 gallons per hour (1000, 500 or 150 gals/24 hour; one U.S. gallon equals 3.85 liters) plant capacities using traditional fermentation and distillation technology to produce 130 to 192 proof ethanol. The plant hardware and equipment that are specified are industrial quality. Also includes design and fabrication techniques where do-it-yourself substitutions are appropriate and safe. Understanding Ethanol Fuel Production and Use, C. Bradley and K. Runnion, Volunteers in Technical Assistance (VITA). 19 pp. Available from VITA. Permits To legally produce your own alcohol for fuel in the United States, you must obtain an Alcohol Fuel Plant Permit from the Federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms (ATF). If you produce more than 10,000 proof gallons per year (1 gallon of 100 proof alcohol is 1 proof gallon; 1 gallon of 150 proof alcohol is 1.5 proof gallons) you may be subject to a producer tax. To obtain an application for a permit, (there is no fee) contact the ATF. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Oh man, here comes Rita
I do not usually post my morning newsletter here as I have more respect for this group's individual views and ability to convey their opinions than my own. This morning I wrote about Rita (I write something every morning). I include it here because I feel that it is this group's insight that helped me come to understand and expand my own thoughts. Maybe you will get some small benefit from it and see how this group has influenced me and in turn my group. Brian Rodgers September 23, 2005 Good Morning! In my life I have spent considerable time by the sea, on islands, or near the coasts of this continent. I love the ocean. Since I see fit to let you all constantly know that we have no television news, I suppose it comes as no surprise that we have not seen how the media portrays the effects of the current hurricane season. I, more than Nell, have a morbid streak and wish I did have some way to see what the aftermath of a hurricane looks like. I heard on one of my Biofuels threads that Hurricane Rita has Port Arthur targeted. To someone who has warned of the devastating effects of global warming (not saying I did) this seemed like revenge. Today, I have posted several international articles pertaining to the relationship between rising ocean surface temperatures and the ferocity of hurricanes. I did say I had a dark streak right? We have several folks from the Biofuels group who have practiced conscientious and sustainable life styles offering up hope for the victims of Katrina and sharing everything in a most wholesome fashion. One husband and wife team, for example, has a little organic farm in Texas. They often post some of the most positive and hopeful news. This morning, events on the farm sound harsh and labored. Hurricane Rita seems bent on destroying the lives of many of the households that shared everything they had with refuges of Hurricane Katrina. Many of these kind people wrote of compassion and grace while the news media apparently showed Americans at their worst. I was moved by the humanitarian efforts of many people and often felt that there might be some hope even for me, a self-professed non-humanitarian. If you don't know what I am referencing when I say non-humanitarian, I just mean that I never wanted to be a doctor because the site of blood is enough for me to find a Priest for the ailing victim. Or so I often sarcastically said in my youth, Doctor says you gonna die. Sorry it is some stupid reference to a snake bite joke I heard many years ago. Point is, I used my repulsion to open wounds to 'look the other way' when it came to human suffering. I think I said in a previous newsletter that some people in the Biofuels groups were talking like maybe it wasn't such a bad thing that we lost a few poor black people as they heard very bad things about these lower class citizens of New Orleans. Un-humanitarian as I am, this sentiment makes me absolutely insane. In fact, the more I heard and read about this attitude, the more compassion I had for the suffering people. Well to be fair to myself, I need to say that I have always sided with the underdog. Which, and I am sure that you have heard this a million times from me, is the reason I don't like sports. I keep switching sides as one team appears to fall prey to some dastardly tactic of a powerful opponent. Anyway as you can imagine that I am not a lot of fun to watch a game with someone who loves his team. Never know whose side I am on at any given moment! Why don't I feel bad for the people in the way of the storm then? Do I feel like they deserved it for not listening to the environmentalists? Of course not. I want to put this in perspective. When I hear that Mother Nature caused a billion dollars in damages, I really could care less. People on the other hand, especially children, deserve our compassion no matter the class or intelligence of the parents. Our government is on record as putting money first, way before the environment. In doing so, we see and will continue to see the results of greed on humanitarian aid. I already said I don't care one fiddle de diddle about how much money was lost by our lack of preparedness to the effects of global warming. We all already know exactly how the corporations react to human suffering. The corporations see the bottom line and NOTHING ELSE. Of course a government run by corporations will tell you that there is no money in saving people. No rush they say, we warned them to get out of New Orleans, if they stayed, they will get what they deserve. With that media message it is no wonder that the average citizen had an underlying suspicion that the only people left down there in New Orleans were civilly divergent and generally a burden on society. Again, we've got no TV, so I have to make some leaps of reason here. Please bear with me. Let me see if I can sum this up in a few sentences. The U.S. government is ordered by the auto industry and its cronies to back off on the global warming
Re: [Biofuel] Does anyone distill ethanol here?
I can only speak as one person in a group of thousands of alternate fuelers, I came to this list earlier this Summer thinking ethanol and stills but listening to the difficulties in that process compared to biodiesel processing made me change everything I was planning. Although I am a rusty mechanic who worked exclusively with gas powered VWs I never really worked with diesel engines. The people in this group are an incredible inspiration. I have modified everything mechanical that I own, never satisfied with 'off the shelf' products. I have a still in the back of my head and intend to do it someday but it is actually the beer (mash) brewing that has me leery, not the distillation. JTF has info and links to every type of still ever conceived. The continuous feed still used in the whisky industry is state of the art. However the dry process still used in the mid-west U.S. takes corn and turns it into 190 proof ethanol with record efficiency. Wait until you see how complex and expensive not to mention dangerous ethanol is compared to bio-diesel. Just Google any of these terms like 'ethanol' or 'dry mill process' There is a reason that just about any alternate fuel search query brings up a reference to Journeytoforever web pages, these people 'have it going on.' Yeah, not to be discouraged about ethanol, I'm not. It is overwhelmingly encouraging how much more suited to the back yard shop the bio-diesel process is. So much so that I believe it is frugal to switch my vehicles to diesel and learn all there is to learn about this technology while it's hot. Want to see a totally amazing gas engine mod? Take a look at Robert's Hydrogen supercharged gas Ranger. http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ Doing the flip flop... again! Keep an open mind if you can Brian Rodgers ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Does anyone distill ethanol here?
Still very cool mods there Robert. I know that it takes so much time to do the type of thing you are working on with your Ranger and then on top of that documenting the whole process, wow. Great job. I was a bit confused about the supercharger and reference to hydrogen, sorry about that. Do you foresee injecting hydrogen into gas engines in the future as feasible? Respectfully, Brian Rodgers On 9/22/05, robert luis rabello [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Brian Rodgers wrote: Want to see a totally amazing gas engine mod? Take a look at Robert's Hydrogen supercharged gas Ranger. http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ Woah, Brian! As much as I'd LOVE to take credit for that, the hydrogen modifications were done by the Xerox company, not me! My truck still burns gasoline, but that's going to change . . . robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] deisel engine swap
Thanks for the response. I have heard of others in this group talk about building new engine mounts and bingo shes ready to rock. My experience says it ain't so. When I converted a diesel to gas I found that just about everything I could imagine needed to be converted and then it kept on coming. When I was done I had half of a Mercedes and half a Chevy on the floor of my shop. Hence I called my new creation MerChevy The drive shaft for instance was Benz on the back and Chevy on the front. One of the things I took a lot of pride in was the modified ignition switch. The old 240D Benz had a glowplug starter combo switch thus the key had no position for starter. I pulled the switch out and dremeled out a new position and added a return spring for for starting the gas engine. It worked, I was thrilled. I was using every fabrication technique I learned over the years as a jeweler, a consumer electronics repairman and auto mechanic. I even had a Glock mounted under the dash in such a way as it looked like a emergncy brake release handle. Those were the days. Now I am older and hopefully wiser and need to conserve my energy for more worthwhile projects. I think swapping engines is still a grand idea especially when using biodiesel and thinking sustainable lifestyle. Cheers, Brian Rodgers ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] K-trucks in the US - Re: advancement of car technology
Fantastic Keith I will need to take some time digesting all this info on the Kei Class Trucks thanks for the link.http://www.best-used-tractors.com/mini_truck.html Also, I appreciate that you posted your response to an ongoing thread which started out as Debatable statement I think I lost track of that thread. Lots of good stuff here. Speaking of good stuff, I had a new biodiesel buddy over to my shop yesterday and we got to talking about diesel motorcycles. I googled hatz dnepr at his request and of course your site was on the top of the list. http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_bikes.html Keep up the good work. Brian Rodgers ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] First bach of Biodiesel
Hey no fair I can't read this reply? I wanted to hear it too. Brian Rodgers On 9/20/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Caro João, a temperatura é uma variável que deve ser levada em consideração uma vez que a cinética da reacção varia com a temperatura, ou seja, maior temperatura significa menor tempo de reacção. No entanto, num reactor à pressão atmosférica não se deverá ultrapassar os 60ºC pois a temperatura de ebulição do metanol é cerca de 63ºC. Boa sorte e disponha sempre Filipe Paulette Chemical Engineer Citando joão martins [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi there, I plan to start doing the first bach of biodiesel, and I will use Methanol. I'd like to know if we need always to heat everything to 50ºC, and way??? Best Regards João Martins www.martinsportscar.com __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ __ Email gratuito com 2 000 MB Espaço para guardar 20 anos de correio http://www.portugalmail.pt/2000mb ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Why our current agriculture and food production is not sustainable
Thank you for finding this and posting it. Clear concise, probably too concise for most people. snip The current food system is linear in design, treating inputs like energy and raw materials as infinitely available (which they are not) and the environment as infinitely capable of absorbing waste (which it is not). This is not sustainable. To change this, we need a tax system that factors in the full cost of all these finite items and uses the proceeds to subsidise organic, low input and localised agriculture systems. In contrast, organic production systems are an example of sustainable circular methods of food production in harmony with the natural eco-system. snip I can just hear the response if Americans are told this: What? You want me to pay the total cost of producing the food? What about my neighbors? I don't know about other parts of the world but here in Wal-mart's backyard many people have gone completely sideways in their thinking. Cheap is good. Everything else is fairly unimportant. I will post this article from http://www.i-sis.org.uk/ in my newsletter so that the people I have marginal influence over can see it. I think it is extremely important, but how do we get more people to see it? Everybody in this group is already on-board the sustainability-Arc. What about the rest? It seems to me from talking with many people in this country that most Americans would rather wait and chance starving before taking responsibility and God forbid, accountability. It is always mind boggling to me how many people have bought the American Dream lock stock and barrel. We had a grand garden this Summer and next year I hope to broaden the food produced here at home. It has already frosted here. Cheers, Brian Rodgers ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] advancement of car technology
Wow. Thanks Keith. Haflingers huh? I followed the JTF links on those crazy looking vehicles a few weeks ago. I'm game, but we have to work with what is available. I have limited money to work with, I know what else is new? Anyway I just googled Haflingers and all I get is horses! Oh never mind I just realised that the s needed to go. Silly me. Now I can find Pinzguaer and Haflinger near me. Speaking of antiques; I found out this last week that a local man is importing and rebuilding Keith's favorite vehicle the 'Land Rover.' :-) Used to be. We sure learned a lot with them. But that's it, good for our learning curve. One thing we learned was that they're not what we need. They're too small, for one thing, even the long wheelbase 109. Forward-control is better, ie vans. Another thing I learned was that a Land Rover can't match a Haflinger, having had experience of both. Haflingers are really small, but they're really worth it. Maybe you could sort of hang it out the back on davits like a lifeboat or something. Davits? I like small. I have a big 4X4 for ranch use where this weekend I made three giant loads of Cedar and Pinion firewood with it. It already frosted here in northern New Mexico. I was thinking of a diesel suitable for commuting to town to work at our PC shop. In the Winter we need four wheel drive to get out of the driveway. Right now everything we have is gasoline powered something I hope to soon remedy. We sold one Land Rover just before we left Hong Kong, and we sold the other one a year later The Toyota aren't terrible expensive are they? I assume they are imported into the US because I see very few of them here. This is why it was so amazing to me that someone had the Land Rover (diesel) here in this little town. However I would think that the Haflinger and Pinzguaer are even more scarce. Now we use a 1990 Toyota Town-Ace 4x4 turbo diesel van, which we ran on JtF B100 homebrew biodiesel for two years and on SVO for the last six months, and a 1990 550cc Daihatsu K-truck. 550cc Daihatsu K-truck? Wow now you are talking small. I once restored a Fiat Spider with an air cooled 650cc rear gas engine. I can dig little cars. I want to look into this one too. The Town-Ace doesn't get stuck on muddy slopes where 4x4 Suzuki jeeps get stuck, and the K-truck is about the closest thing I've seen to a Haflinger. See: ... no doubt Americans would laugh at them, but I don't think Japan would get on too well without them. I really wonder if an F250 or something is that much more effective. I have no allegiance to my Ford modified F150. It is what I have. I just wish I had a diesel in something. The Ford does what I need it to do. However its days of riding the pavement are over. But, it was never really suited for the blacktop with the heavy duty luged tires anyway. http://moonstationfoxtrot.com/journalpics/ktrucks.html Moon Station Foxtrot: K-Trucks http://moonstationfoxtrot.com/ktrucks/index.html K-TRUCKS Website uploads soon, hopefully, though the Town-Ace is on our website. Future vehicles is an interesting subject, but later. Yeah I want to go here. I have been giving thought to creating my own get-about utility vehicle. Anybody know what is an affordable small diesel engine? Readily adaptable to ranch and farm use? Best wishes Keith Thanks again for all the information Keith. Cheers, Brian Rodgers ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Debatable statement?
Great thread, wonderful read. I can't wait to add to it. But reading has used all my time this morning. I love this group. Cheers, Brian ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] advancement of car technology
Makes me feel better about driving twenty plus year old cars. Speaking of antiques; I found out this last week that a local man is importing and rebuilding Keith's favorite vehicle the 'Land Rover.' I am going over on Monday and see his biodiesel lab. Brian Rodgers ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] It's come to this?
Yep, a Friend sent me this story as well. I asked, Is this another magic box similar to changing world technology's? http://www.globalfinest.com/tech/ Brian Rodgers ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Fuel can be made from dead cats
I followed a link in another thread to www.slashdot.org and found this: BERLIN, Germany (Reuters) -- A German inventor said he has developed a method to produce crude oil products from waste that he believes can be an answer to the soaring costs of fuel, but denied a German newspaper story implying he also used dead cats. http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/09/14/germany.catfuel.reut/index.html Brian Rodgers ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Debatable statement?
Very interesting discussion here. How many people here are swapping engines? I was giving some thought to removing the 351 ci gasaholic in my Ford f150 and replacing it with a diesel engine. Years ago (before I saw the advantage of diesel) I pulled a engine from my Mercedes 240d and did major mods to convert it to gas fuel injected V6. Looking for more projects. right??? Brian Rodgers ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Offers Pour In, but the U.S. Is Unprepared
This is a letter to Brian Rodgers. I thought it appropriate for this thread. My friend Lee has more to say about aid efforts if anybody would like to see more. Brian Subject: If this doesn't piss you off you aren't paying attention... According to reliable sources, the efforts of Red Cross and individual volunteers in New Mexico to assist New Orleans evacuees have now largely been shut down by FEMA. The LA Times has just published an interview with Michael Brown of FEMA in which he openly acknowledges that FEMA is blocking the efforts not only of volunteers but also of fire and police departments. Says Brown the Bonehead, There is going to come this natural time when we will release this floodgate of cops and firefighters who want to help. It's the same for anyone who wants to volunteer — we have over 50,000 offers of donations from the private sector. It has to be coordinated in such a way that it helps. In other words, they are deliberately and consciously obstructing relief efforts until such time as they see fit to do otherwise. http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-katrina8sep08,0,2942650.story ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Bioheating Oil
Hi Mika and all Mika wrotePersonally, I'm looking at putting Biodiesel into an old oil fired water heater. I want to heat my workshop with hot water. What have you found out about oil fired hot water heaters? I have scanned the JTF site and archives and not seen too much info on this. Brian Rodgers ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Gmail anybody else want to try?
Hello, I read your praise of gmail in the biofuel list and had to check it out myself. I proceeded to their site to see what's what to find they aren't offering signup at this time which explains your nice offer to give up one of your extra accounts. If you still have ID available I'd like to try gmail for myself. Thanks a bunch and will see ya on the list ^^ John Great. Yeah I have 99 left after the one I gave to you' Brian snip Hi All The List Admin was having a lot of problems getting through on my business domain so we switched to my Gmail account. What a marvelous change. Google mail organizes things by thread! Plus google recommends that you save everything. With a search engine built in posts are right here when I want them. Sorry if I sound like an ad for google, this is working so much better, there may be ramifications I don't know about, but oh well. Google gives us fifty free invites and these accounts are currently at 2.7 gig each. Let me know if you need one. Brian Rodgers ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Another use for glycerine
Hi All The List Admin was having a lot of problems getting through on my business domain so we switched to my Gmail account. What a marvelous change. Google mail organizes things by thread! Plus google recommends that you save everything. With a search engine built in posts are right here when I want them. Sorry if I sound like an ad for google, this is working so much better, there may be ramifications I don't know about, but oh well. Google gives us fifty free invites and these accounts are currently at 2.7 gig each. Let me know if you need one. Brian Rodgers On 9/3/05, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Chris lol, yeah. the volume from this list to my mailbox this past week has totally overwhelmed me. even now i'm trying to catch up. i'm going to have to switch my mail option to digest or something. that item came to my mailbox Only one mailbox. Try this: http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg21651.html Though maybe you need a real ISP for that rather than aol. and i just turned around and forwarded it right away. as i browsed further down my backed-up inbox, i saw the post on this list. i first heard of it through the green-trust list, which is why i forwarded that item. wasn't trying to misattribute credit or anything. I know you weren't. Not so sure about other people though. sorry! No problem. Best wishes Keith cheers, -chris b. Hello Chris the subject of glycerine by-product, and what to do with it, seems to come up quite frequently so i thought i'd pass on this bit of news. cheers, -chris Thanks, but we had it before: http://sustainablelists.org/pipermail/biofuel_sustainablelists.org/200 5-August/003069.html [Biofuel] Development Yields Antifreeze from Biodiesel Note it comes from http://www.renewableenergyaccess.com/, not green-trust.org. Best wishes Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Journey towards small Biocombustivel for all
Fantastic report. Are you going to post your complete tests and results on the Net? I would like to see it all. You know, pictures that us less than gifted types can understand. I have a lot of respect for the posts you have given to us here. Brazil, huh? That is too cool. Does your university have a web page? It sounds like your school is very advanced in sustainable research. Brian Rodgers ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Silver, chlorine, etc. (was Katrina..
Wow, I started off a great thread and didn't even follow it. Now, I thought I remembered reading a couple of dissertations on colloid silver here. I am glad to get the input all over again. I think that some of this stuff is a little over the top just to sanitize a couple of ten gallon containers of stored water. Although as a hobbyist fabricator of both ferrous and non-ferrous metals I can appreciate the electro-plating techniques. That stuff is fun to setup and watch work, but drink the results? Maybe if I had access to better lab equipment I could feel more at ease after testing some of these techniques. Don't fret I know you weren't talking electro-plating more electrolysis of water. Pardon me, my mind wanders. http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/thermo/electrol.html I would think that if I took the advice here and started with a sanitized container and used distilled water the bottled liquid should have a better chance of holding up and not getting murky. I think, we need to keep it simple and as practical as possible, otherwise we risk not doing it. I am fully capable of making things and doing for my family, but I also know there are only so many hours in a day. The elk are bugling and the coyotes are laughing as dawn approaches here in northern New Mexico. It's a beautiful world we live in. I plan to make the best of my day. My family will be working in the forest this weekend. We have had steady rain here. I guess it is remnants of Katrina. My daughter said as we came down the mountain a few days ago the forest looks so alive when it is wet. Indeed. Yes New Mexico is not inherently prone to stagnant water issues so we don't often worry about it. With the disaster on the Gulf Coast I began to question the ability to store water for longer periods for emergency use. Sincerely, Brian Rodgers ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] open letter from Michael Moore to George W. Bush
Sorry I haven't run this by credibility checkers except here. Brian Rodgers Friday, September 2nd, 2005 Vacation is Over... an open letter from Michael Moore to George W. Bush Friday, September 2nd, 2005 Dear Mr. Bush: Any idea where all our helicopters are? It's Day 5 of Hurricane Katrina and thousands remain stranded in New Orleans and need to be airlifted. Where on earth could you have misplaced all our military choppers? Do you need help finding them? I once lost my car in a Sears parking lot. Man, was that a drag. Also, any idea where all our national guard soldiers are? We could really use them right now for the type of thing they signed up to do like helping with national disasters. How come they weren't there to begin with? Last Thursday I was in south Florida and sat outside while the eye of Hurricane Katrina passed over my head. It was only a Category 1 then but it was pretty nasty. Eleven people died and, as of today, there were still homes without power. That night the weatherman said this storm was on its way to New Orleans. That was Thursday! Did anybody tell you? I know you didn't want to interrupt your vacation and I know how you don't like to get bad news. Plus, you had fundraisers to go to and mothers of dead soldiers to ignore and smear. You sure showed her! I especially like how, the day after the hurricane, instead of flying to Louisiana, you flew to San Diego to party with your business peeps. Don't let people criticize you for this -- after all, the hurricane was over and what the heck could you do, put your finger in the dike? And don't listen to those who, in the coming days, will reveal how you specifically reduced the Army Corps of Engineers' budget for New Orleans this summer for the third year in a row. You just tell them that even if you hadn't cut the money to fix those levees, there weren't going to be any Army engineers to fix them anyway because you had a much more important construction job for them -- BUILDING DEMOCRACY IN IRAQ! On Day 3, when you finally left your vacation home, I have to say I was moved by how you had your Air Force One pilot descend from the clouds as you flew over New Orleans so you could catch a quick look of the disaster. Hey, I know you couldn't stop and grab a bullhorn and stand on some rubble and act like a commander in chief. Been there done that. There will be those who will try to politicize this tragedy and try to use it against you. Just have your people keep pointing that out. Respond to nothing. Even those pesky scientists who predicted this would happen because the water in the Gulf of Mexico is getting hotter and hotter making a storm like this inevitable. Ignore them and all their global warming Chicken Littles. There is nothing unusual about a hurricane that was so wide it would be like having one F-4 tornado that stretched from New York to Cleveland. No, Mr. Bush, you just stay the course. It's not your fault that 30 percent of New Orleans lives in poverty or that tens of thousands had no transportation to get out of town. C'mon, they're black! I mean, it's not like this happened to Kennebunkport. Can you imagine leaving white people on their roofs for five days? Don't make me laugh! Race has nothing -- NOTHING -- to do with this! You hang in there, Mr. Bush. Just try to find a few of our Army helicopters and send them there. Pretend the people of New Orleans and the Gulf Coast are near Tikrit. Yours, Michael Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.MichaelMoore.com P.S. That annoying mother, Cindy Sheehan, is no longer at your ranch. She and dozens of other relatives of the Iraqi War dead are now driving across the country, stopping in many cities along the way. Maybe you can catch up with them before they get to DC on September 21st. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Cross Posted: OpAmp Active Filter Synthesis
Sheesh Mike why the hostility? It sounds like you don't really want any help. I am sorry if my humor comes off like what do you call it? Hmmm? Please stop trying to be profound and get to the point. You might reread your first post in this thread. You never stated a point to begin with. I have no idea what level of expertise you have. Thus, I speak in generalities. Ask a stupid question get a stupid answer. Brian. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Cross Posted: OpAmp Active Filter Synthesis
Hi Mike So would I. Did you? The filter has less to do with sine wave synthesis and more to do with ensuring a clean signal. Of course, this is basic electronics. Which is probably why Kirk said it is very lossy. To turn away a signal is in itself loss unless you have some way to feed it back after massaging it. Do you have access to an oscilloscope? Check out the wave shape coming out of a cheap battery backup used for small computers. Compare it to the wave shape of grid AC. Can you see the difference? There is also the added bonus of creating/using more primitive signal generators without sacrificing quality since the filter will reject unwanted signals. Why are you using primitive electronics? OK Soare you going to explain why or just leave me hangin'? Mike You haven't the foggiest idea why I said you were hanging? Hmmm. I am trying to help. Brian ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Silver, chlorine, etc. (was Katrina..
This is better. I am isolated here for the long weekend at the ranch with no high speed Internet (poor me, I know) no media either, but that is a choice. Anyway, the Katrina thread was a bit much for me as I have no idea what is happening down there on the Gulf Coast.It does sound awful, but I have wonder if the media isn't making it look even worse than it really is. Don't know, I am here not there. Back to the silver copper as oxidisers in water. I think that my fear of stagnant water comes directly from my wife who has had Legionnaires disease. She of course does not trust water older that a few weeks. Coincidentally she has a teaching degree in biology and she leans toward bleach. Of course bleaching our stored drinking water is out of the question. Yuk. Then the idea of using hydrogen peroxide, it never occurred to me to use it for anything except cleansing wounds. Once again you all get me thinking more. I will run these ideas by my gal. Thank you. Brian Rodgers ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Cross Posted: Fwd: [DIYGasTurbines] Re: I'd like to try something...but first, your opinions (please).
Awesome. The jet engine is too noisy in my opinion. We just viewed a really cool movie called Winged Migration. Now that's the way to take to the sky. Man has never done a flying machine that even comes close to the way birds fly. beautiful graceful. I am content to watch. Brian ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame?
Hi Greg you writeI am on a budget, yet I still managed to put together three 55 gal plastic drums of water, and a few hundred pounds of wheat, beans, powdered milk, butter powder, white and brown sugar, honey, dry fruit, vitamins.I have used salvaged building materials ( most of which didn't cost a thing ) to build a safe room. Greg H. How do you keep stored water fresh? Brian ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame?
Thanks for the info Emil. I remember now reading of the silver coin in water from another thread. Somehow I think it sounds kind of weird though. We use untreated well water and I could stand a bit of chlorine in an emergency. Usually we have some water supply interruption during Winter. It is reassuring to have a palatable water supply stored. Better safe than sorry. Brian ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Cross Posted: OpAmp Active Filter Synthesis
Hi I have a bit of electronic knowledge albeit a tad rusty. I followed your link but without knowing what you are trying to do I am at a loss as well. What are you inverting? Are you simply changing DC to AC? If I was trying to do this the first thing I would do is hit the standard circuit design books. That was back in the day when we relied on books, hehe I just googled dc ac inverter circuit design and found all sorts of stuff. Take a look at this for example: http://repairfaq.ece.drexel.edu/sam/samschem.htm#schiin The next thing I would do is look at a modern UPS and see how the pros are inverting DC to AC. Or just take the circuit out of an old working battery backup and recycle it. Ups often have dead batteries but still invert DC to AC. I hope it gets you off the edge you were hangin on. Brian Rodgers ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame?
Ok great thank you bright blessings Kim. With all of this information coming in, sometimes it seems like somebody can find something wrong with every remedy. I was hoping for something a bit more... fun and less fearful than chlorine. I thought the silver coin idea was a wives tale that some scientific type had gone about to prove that it was indeed scientific. I don't work with money as much as I would like (giggle) but I do recall my mom saying it(coin) was very dirty and not put in my mouth. So wash it first right?hehe I think the rest of the chit-chat here has taken on sort of a dark tone. I am glad I didn't open my mouth about the Gulf Coast tragedy. Here and all over I hear people voicing their judgements about the people down there. All I can say is, Poor people. Nobody should suffer and for sure people shouldn't have ill intent toward those that are suffering. I don't really know how it is outside of my little-town life, but here parents are in constant fear that some do-gooder is going reprimand them for some atrocity allegedly committed. I have seen first hand CYFD take kids out of healthy homes and send them to foster parents. It is scary. I hope people can keep from meddling in other peoples lives. I am not naive, I know that at times intervention is necessary, but it seems to me that it is way out of hand. Brian On 9/1/05, Garth Kim Travis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Greetings, Actually, I prefer hydrogen peroxide to chlorine for keep my water fresh. It does not have the toxic effects, especially for young girls and child bearing aged women. Sorry, but chlorine is not safe. Bright Blessings, Kim At 12:51 PM 9/1/2005, you wrote: Thanks for the info Emil. I remember now reading of the silver coin in water from another thread. Somehow I think it sounds kind of weird though. We use untreated well water and I could stand a bit of chlorine in an emergency. Usually we have some water supply interruption during Winter. It is reassuring to have a palatable water supply stored. Better safe than sorry. Brian ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Water heater
This sounds too cool. Are you saying you are using old NG Electric water heaters for... what? Stills? Oil fired boilers? Bio-Diesel batch heaters? I love this group! I need pictures, plans schematics. Pretty please! Oh I can't wait. I think I will go down to the dump and grab one or two and see if I can convert one for a radiant floor hot water heater. My son was just telling me the other day that his lady's dad had 55 gallons of used motor oil he wanted to sell or do something with, I cheerfully chirped in, Why not burn it in a boiler. I had no idea what I was saying, of course. But it sounded smart, I liked that. Now here I see that I can do it too. I assume you burn the waste from the Bio-Diesel refining. This sounds better every day I am here. Thank you all Brian Rodgers ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame?
Very true. My home is on the edge of a pine forest and has been here since before it was fashionable to build in the forest. I don't cary nearly the concern for humanity that many others do. It is my opinion that the old Toyota slogan says it all, You asked for it, you got it! Many people have become disassociated with nature. They believe they can abuse mother nature without consequence. Here in Northern New Mexico we had a lot of help from the Park Service a few years back when one of their controlled burns took out nearly half of the town of Los Alamos. No lives were lost so I felt it was appropriate to give a little chuckle, under my breath of course. Yuppies, the scourge of America seem to think it would be fun to build half million dollar houses in remote areas and check-in to nature with room service. Good riddance when their crap burns. Brian Rodgers ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Alternative batteries
A friend who coincidentally thinks I am a nut job, said he made a system back in the 'old days' in which a small water turbine powered by a small stream pumped water into a storage tank as well as generate electricity. Somehow this system was augmented with a small wind generator. He said that when the wind wasn't blowing water was released from the tank through the turbine turning the generator generating electricity. Sorry my brain is not completely clear on the details of these two systems. More than likely he was talking two different systems. The point that I thought was notable is that he used a water tank to store energy. Filling the tank when energy was there, either through solar, wind or hydraulic. Brian ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Isopropyl Alcohol
I just checked the archives to make sure that denatured alcohol is suitable for titration and it appears to be. Anyway I used to buy quarts of 99% isopropyl alcohol at the local hardware store to use as a solvent to clean video heads. If this is the same stuff, I suggest you look in the paint section for solvents like acetone alcohol Brian Rodgers ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Water heater
Thank you Keith I will start reading right now. http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/ethanol_motherearth/me4.html Amazing to say the least. I love to see that waste oil burning space heater glowing. Boy howdy! Our situation is a bit different in that we need to burn waste wood products. It is very interesting to me to see what people are doing with old electric hot water heaters. My goal at this point will be to find a way to use an old gas hot water heater and wood as the energy source and pump the warmed water through an existing radiant floor system. I have been warned about the use of steam. I figure that my system will be so inefficient that over-heating won't be a problem. The general info about the heavy gauge steel in water heater tanks is enough to fuel my imagination. Thanks again Brian ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Cross Posted: Fwd: [DIYGasTurbines] Re: I'd like to try something...but first, your opinions (please).
You guys are a trip. This info has been some of the most entertaining reading I have done in years. Starting with: Build your own junkyard turbine http://www.junkyardjet.com/primitive.html New pulse jet engine http://www.aardvark.co.nz/pjet/xjet.shtml I then went to see what Joe was talking about with:coanda effect and the ferroelectric effect. very cool stuff: Using The Coanda Effect In A Pulsejet: http://www.aardvark.co.nz/pjet/coanda.shtml http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/coanda.htm Thank you for 'making my day Brian Rodgers ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Bush's Obscene Tirades
Hello Keith I don't know how you manage to keep up with all of this. My head is spinning with the beautiful data stream of pertinent information found here. I no sooner ask a question or respond to another's comments and a new data stream hits, I almost forgot what we was talking about yesterday. I am no GW Bush basher, just the same I thought this article which seemed to imply GW was off the wagon big time might shed some light on his strange behavior. Some might call me a left-wing commie pinko, but I still take some responsibility for the condition this 'corporate America' has become. I better not get started. Brian ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Sept 1 declared no buy gas day
Damn. I wish people would check validity of stuff before they send it around. I have received one or two per day of these bogus emails about sticking it up their collective behinds. I wish more people would write something, anything in their own words and send it around to all their friends. Internet Chain Letters, Yuk. As mentioned here, it is simple to check out a story for rumor content at www.snopes.com I really like the way Barbara Mikkelson writes. Fun informative and she doesn't make you feel like you are an idiot. Brian Rodgers ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Bush's Obscene Tirades
a friend sent me this. Keep in mind, it's from a liberal Web site. But even if only part of it is true, it's still pretty scary. http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_7267.shtml Bush's Obscene Tirades Rattle White House Aides By DOUG THOMPSON Aug 25, 2005, 06:19 While President George W. Bush travels around the country in a last-ditch effort to sell his Iraq war, White House aides scramble frantically behind the scenes to hide the dark mood of an increasingly angry leader who unleashes obscenity-filled outbursts at anyone who dares disagree with him. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
