[Biofuel] California Emissions
I am thinking of buying a Jeep Liberty diesel. I live in Massachusetts and they do not sell diesel cars any more because of the high standard of emissions. I would have to go out of state to buy this Jeep. These vehicles must pass an emissions test every other year. Mind you, you can buy a full size pickup with a diesel and they have a different standard to use. Would the use of 20% biodiesel let this vehicle pass this California emissions test? What are these people looking at that makes it fail emissions. What can I do about it? Greg O. In MA. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Methanol Recovery?
Could you put it through a still like you were going to make your own ethanol? I assume that the biofuel and glycerin are higher boiling points and the methanol will decanter off. Greg O. from MA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Keith Addison Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 12:04 PM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Methanol Recovery? Hi Theo Big-time, huh? :-) Hello everyone, I am scaling up the size of my processing units to make about 300-400gallons of biodiesel a day. Right now I do not do any methanol recovery however at the larger scale it makes a lot of finical sense to get back the methanol. I have had a lot of trouble finding somewhat larger devices for recovering the methanol. I was wondering if anyone has experience in this field. The internet mentions methanol recovery but no sights really go into methanol recovery and biodiesl. Any help would be appreciated. am open to either homemade designs or ones that can be purchased. Any useful links or links to pictures would be great. Also is it be to recover methanol form the glycerin, the biodiesel or both? Preferably both, but you should do it at the right stages, and you have to make some decisions about how to handle the by-product. See: Reclaiming excess methanol http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make2.html#methreclaim Best Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.or g Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Spreading compost
Have you ever thought of a salt sanding spreader that people use in snow communities for street sanding. Gregory I. Ocnos -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Garth Kim Travis Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 9:16 AM To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] Spreading compost Greetings, Does anyone have any ideas of how to spread compost at the rate of 5 tons per acre? I mean other than with a shovel or bucket. I do have a tilt trailer, but the compost does not just trickle out the back like I want it to. Also, any easier ideas of how to spread lime at 1000 lbs per acre would be appreciated. Walking around with a scoop and a bucket gets old, real fast. The big trucks won't do less than 5000 lbs per acre and want to do a minimum of 10 acres at a time. Bright Blessings, Kim ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.or g Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] FW: Important, Congress set to gut renewable energy programs
Title: Re: Important, Congress set to gut renewable energy programs Has anyone heard anything more about this? Did NREL get hit hard? Just looking for a follow up, who could I ask? Thanks Gregory I. Ocnos -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David M. Brockes Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 5:47 PM To: Awea-Windnet; Biofuel; Renewable-Energy Subject: [Biofuel] FW: Important,Congress set to gut renewable energy programs Importance: High Follow-up. David -Original Message- From: Bob Anderson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 3:32 PM Subject: Re: Important, Congress set to gut renewable energy programs Importance: High Ive just returned from a meeting at NREL (where I am a small contractor). The lab expects a 40% cut in the Wind Powering America program. Bob Anderson On 11/16/05 1:45 PM, Van Jamison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FYI - Original Message - From: Patrick Judge mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 7:50 AM Subject: Fwd: Important, Congress set to gut renewable energy programs Congress to Terminate National Bioenergy Center Congress is getting ready this week to terminate the National Bioenergy Research Center and gut the Wind Research Program at the National Renewable Energy Laboratory (NREL). NREL researchers who are CRES members sounded the alarm over the weekend after finding out on Friday that many of them may be out of work next month. Here is what I can piece together about what happened last week. On Tuesday the House of Representatives passed the House and Senate Conference Committee markup of the Energy Water and Development Appropriation Bill for 2006. The bill keeps federal funding for renewable energy research level with last year's spending. Unfortunately, it more than doubled the earmarks that take money out of the Wind Energy and Bioenergy Research Programs and direct it elsewhere. Earmarks are when individual representatives direct funding to particular projects in their districts. With passage of the Energy Bill earlier this year, these earmarks have been in the forefront of the news. In fact, the American Solar Energy Society said the Energy Bill was so full of pork barrel spending that ASES did not endorse it. Congressional leaders usually wait until the conference committee is meeting behind closed doors to introduce earmarks. They emerge as part of a much larger bill that is hundreds of pages long. It appears that in this case, the House of Representatives voted on this bill without many of its members having had time to read it. It took NREL staff a couple of days of read through the pile of paper and figure out what it will mean for the research programs. Some of the earmarks were listed together to support state initiatives, and others were buried in different portions of the massive spending bill. This year these added to $62 million in total, more than two thirds of the entire research and development budget for bioenergy. Then the staff had to calculate DOE's contractual obligations to its industry partnerships and the 10% cut that the agency takes from all programs to pay the salaries of its staff. Staff of the National Bioenergy Center, which number more than 90 people, were told Friday afternoon that all that the funding that would be left was sufficient only to cover their severance checks. The National Wind Technology Center is facing similar, severe cutbacks. It seems incredible, but Congress is getting ready to gut the two research programs in renewable energy technologies that have enjoyed the most success and commercial development just at a time when fossil fuel prices are their highest level in history. In the case of creating transportation fuels from biomass, these technologies represent our greatest near-term hope of reducing imports or fossil fuels. The Senate is scheduled to take up the appropriations bill today or tomorrow. Please call Senators Allard and Salazar today and ask them to vote no on the appropriations bill from the Energy and Water Committee. Tell them that renewable energy RD is one of this country's best investments. - Wayne Allard: call the Colorado office at 303-220-7414 or the Washington office at 202-224-5941, or send an email message at: http://allard.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=ContactHome - Ken Salazar: call the Colorado office at 303-455-7600 or the Washington office at 202-224-5852, or send an email message at: http://salazar.senate.gov/contact/email.cfm Russ Doty, CEO New World WindPower LLC PO Box 1734 Billings, MT 59103-1734 406-656-2763 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web site: http://www.newworldwindpower.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel
Re: [Biofuel] SUV Drivers in Paris Get Wind Knocked Out of Them
The military like to use there own fuel ( JP8?). This one fuel runs all there stuff, Humvees, tanks and plains as well. Greg O. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Luich Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 2:23 PM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] SUV Drivers in Paris Get Wind Knocked Out of Them So how about running a Humvee on biofuels? miltary models and some H1's are diesel. It'd be the best way to show them you can have your fun and be responsible. I've been looking forward to a bio humer. Only way i can reconcile all my wants. Mike Luich On 10/11/05, Brian Rodgers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I too dislike the Hummer I am satisfied with bad vibing them and amusing myself and friends of the absurdity of the daddy's war wagon mentality. truly, Brian Rodgers On 10/11/05, Burak_l [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good for you! I do not own an SUV.BUT, I don't think anybody has the right to take away somebody elses mobility. The person may need to get to hospital or to his business urgently.Think about the situation he is in. I agree that SUVs are using more fuel and Hummer is a nuissance in the city. But we can ot attack somebody elses vehicle simply because we decide we can do so.. Mey peace be with you Burak. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Joe Street Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 4:45 PM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] SUV Drivers in Paris Get Wind Knocked Out of Them ROFLMFAO!I considered, more than once doing the same thing every time I see a humvee parked somewhere.Trouble is I believe these things can inflate thier own tires!The vehicles are disgusting though.Another idea I thought of would be to find some kind of paint pen which could be used to write a message on the glass windows such as oil is finiteor Global warmingor just peak oilsomething which could be written quickly of course because I hate getting beat up!Also the writing could be scraped off with a razor leaving no harm done but the message would have been recieved and probable seen by a few others before the owner figures out how to remove the message.In the winter when SUV's are covered in salt and road grime or when i see a dusty one I always stop to write these messages with my finger in the dirt. Vive la resistance! Joe Frantz DESPREZ wrote: SUV Drivers in Paris Get Wind Knocked Out of Them A clandestine group lets air out of tires as a form of protest. The vehicles' owners are not amused. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Cars and Biofuel
The little I know is that the lobbyist and the Department of Agriculture(DOA) like soy. The point is that there is so much soy oil that the market is sort of flooded and the DOA is basically giving it to the so-called Biodiesel mass producers. Greg O. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Appal Energy Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 1:46 PM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Cars and Biofuel Zeke, On the soy vs rapeseed, why is the US so fixated on soy? and Seems to be a much more sustainable crop. Sustainability is not the focus of the majority of US endeavors, domestic or international. When that day comes, you'll see a lot more peace and overall prosperity across the globe. Todd Swearingen Interesting. I know that several people in Boulder have had issues with unwashed biodiesel running very poorly in the TDI's -- even pre PDI ones (one commercial reseller here sells unwashed biodiesel made from WVO), whereas others of us use it with no problems at all, in 1980's diesels. But properly washed biodiesel does not seem to be an issue with the TDI's. On the soy vs rapeseed, why is the US so fixated on soy? Smacks of a powerful soybean lobby to me. From what little I know of the farming practices, rapeseed can be grown in much harsher climates (winter wheat territory), and doesn't require as much irrigation as soybeans. Seems to be a much more sustainable crop. Interestingly, my dad's 1953 bulldozer is technically a PD system as well, although completely mechanical. I haven't tried running it on biodiesel or SVO, but I doubt it would have trouble. On 9/26/05, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Zeke Yewdall wrote: Anyway, if you do mean biodiesel, there wouldn't be much point in making a list, biodiesel works in all diesel engines. Is there anyone on this list running biodiesel in the CRD engines? I have heard rumors (mostly from the same people who claim that biodiesel will ruin any diesel engine, which is obviously disproven) that it can polymerize in the injector lines. CRD = Common-Rail Direct Injection? There's been an argument, mostly in the US, over whether the new VW models from 2004 on fitted with Pumpe Düse unit injection, PDIs, or PDs (injector and pump are integrated into a single unit), are suitable for biodiesel. The message from Rob Del Bueno I referred to in the Landcruiser thread also said this: Currently I resell commercial manufactured biodiesel in Atlanta, GA. Over the past 2 years I have seen the quality of this fuel vary greatly. The vehicles that seemed most prone to having issues with the variable fuel quality where the 2004/2005 VWs. In 2004 evidently VW started using a high pressure common-rail direct injection fuel system, which provides a bit more HP, but is much more sensitive to fuel quality issues. This is not to say you should avoid the new VWs...just make sure you have a way of verifying the quality of the biodiesel you will be using in it. Quality, yes. The VWs are PDIs, not common-rail. Here's an explanation of common-rail: http://www.autozine.org/technical_school/engine/diesel.htm#Common-Rail AutoZine Technical School - Engine I don't know of any problems running common-rail diesels on biodiesel. Here's an explanation of Pumpe Düse unit injection: http://www.volkswagen.co.uk/new_cars/technology_glossary/Pumpe_Duse Volkswagen New Cars Technical Glossary Pump Duse The PDI controversy doesn't seem to extend to Europe, where, never mind biodiesel, advanced PDI diesels are converted for SVO use with professional single-tank SVO systems (with special injectors and glow-plugs optimised for SVO use, as well as fuel pre-heating), some of them in a government-backed scheme (the German 100 tractors program). See, eg: http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg38556.html RE: [Biofuel] 2004 VW Jetta TDI The original Elsbett 3-cylinder DI multi-fuel diesel engine designed for either SVO or petro-diesel had Pumpe Düse unit injection (which I think Elsbett first developed, along with DI diesels for passenger cars). So yes, biodiesel works in all diesel engines, as long as it's good-quality biodiesel. Always the same proviso. Not that it's any problem making good-quality biodiesel. I wonder how high-pressure such as with a CRD would cause biodiesel to polymerise. Oxidation might do that, more so with soy-based than with rapeseed oil-based biodiesel, especially if you bubble-wash it. But there are standards for oxidation limits too, at least in Europe (and Australia, and soon in Japan). The US seems to be in denial about it because soy doesn't qualify. Best wishes Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:
Re: [Biofuel] Scales for LYE
And old test is a US nickel(5 cent piece). A new nickel weighs 5 grams. The newer the nickel the more accurate. Greg O. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 3:59 PM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] Scales for LYE Would it be okay to use an old set of digital scales from weight watchers to measure grams of LYE. I'm now sure it would be as accurate as a balance scale. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
RE: [Biofuel] Biofuel College Courses
Hi I am new and it's been eye opening with all the subjects. College: I went to a biofuel seminar sponsored by WasteCap Resource Conservation Network www.wastecapnh.org One of there speakers was Professor Michael S. Briggs of the Physics Dept. He and the school have a large recycling program that also includes Biofuel. They had a good demonstration. This was my first seminar on biofuels. Good luck Greg O. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bede Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 5:49 AM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Biofuel College Courses depending on the speed your going a higher torque engine can cruise more effcently at a lower rpm than a smaller engine trying to do the same work at a higher rpm if the road is mainly flat, Then the only real diffrence between the 2 cars once up to highway speed is the the amount of effort to overcome the rolling and wind resistance. For such a long trip, things such as if you had a tailwind and your avg travling speed also make a big difrence. and then theres maunal, automatic trans mission and cruise control. What about MIT ? Bede -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Pablo Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 5:51 AM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] Biofuel College Courses I am 18 and not sure where I want to go to college. I might take the year off, as it is so late to be signing up. My question for everyone is, does anyone here know of some good colleges, preferably in the New England area, that have specialty biofuel(or related) courses? That would be a great help to me. Also, I wanted to add an amazing discovery/question that I found this past week. I drive a 1992 honda civic. I just did a full tune up, including O2 sensor, plugs, wires, cap rotor, etc. I drove from FL to MA, and i got about 23 MPG. This is in a 1.5L engine in a car weighing maybe 1600 lbs fully loaded with 106 base HP. I then drove my father's car south( a 2000 Cadillac Deville), from Ma to FL, and got an amazing surprise : his 4.6L American engine with about 300 base HP pulling a car weighing maybe 3000Lbs empty got 28MPG. I also found that in the city, his car's gas mileage was 18 MPG, where mine is about 13. Now I admit to owning a foot of lead, but does anyone know how this is possible as i drove both vehicles, and with regular gas? The calculations were correct for MPG. Any input would be appreciated. ~ Paul ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
RE: [Biofuel] Biofuel College Courses
My Bad UNH University of New Hampshire. Greg O. -Original Message- From: Greg Ocnos [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 7:35 AM To: 'Biofuel@sustainablelists.org' Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Biofuel College Courses Hi I am new and it's been eye opening with all the subjects. College: I went to a biofuel seminar sponsored by WasteCap Resource Conservation Network www.wastecapnh.org One of there speakers was Professor Michael S. Briggs of the Physics Dept. He and the school have a large recycling program that also includes Biofuel. They had a good demonstration. This was my first seminar on biofuels. Good luck Greg O. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bede Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 5:49 AM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Biofuel College Courses depending on the speed your going a higher torque engine can cruise more effcently at a lower rpm than a smaller engine trying to do the same work at a higher rpm if the road is mainly flat, Then the only real diffrence between the 2 cars once up to highway speed is the the amount of effort to overcome the rolling and wind resistance. For such a long trip, things such as if you had a tailwind and your avg travling speed also make a big difrence. and then theres maunal, automatic trans mission and cruise control. What about MIT ? Bede -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Pablo Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 5:51 AM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] Biofuel College Courses I am 18 and not sure where I want to go to college. I might take the year off, as it is so late to be signing up. My question for everyone is, does anyone here know of some good colleges, preferably in the New England area, that have specialty biofuel(or related) courses? That would be a great help to me. Also, I wanted to add an amazing discovery/question that I found this past week. I drive a 1992 honda civic. I just did a full tune up, including O2 sensor, plugs, wires, cap rotor, etc. I drove from FL to MA, and i got about 23 MPG. This is in a 1.5L engine in a car weighing maybe 1600 lbs fully loaded with 106 base HP. I then drove my father's car south( a 2000 Cadillac Deville), from Ma to FL, and got an amazing surprise : his 4.6L American engine with about 300 base HP pulling a car weighing maybe 3000Lbs empty got 28MPG. I also found that in the city, his car's gas mileage was 18 MPG, where mine is about 13. Now I admit to owning a foot of lead, but does anyone know how this is possible as i drove both vehicles, and with regular gas? The calculations were correct for MPG. Any input would be appreciated. ~ Paul ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
