[Biofuel] Food Grade Lye

2005-10-03 Thread Mel Riser



here is a link to a soapmaking website where you can by better quality sodium 
hydroxide than Red Devil.
soap makers just trow away the biodiesel.
http://www.snowdriftfarm.com/
mel

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[Biofuel] New Orleans. Violence mayhem....

2005-09-08 Thread Mel Riser
Only time in my entire life I was Almost  mugged was in New Orleans.

I'm from North La. /Ruston/La Tech area with relatives in NO.

We had gone done there when I was about 20 years ago for some wild boy partying 
on bourbon street.

On the way back to our truck, we got lost in the alleys and bumped in to the 
wrong people at 4 am

If the .357 hadn't appeared from under the coat of one of the guys running with 
us that night, we would have all been robbed and fleeced, maybe knifed or hurt


And we had NO IDEA he was packing that thing the whole evening.

Kinda glad he did/was though we didn’t hang with him a whole lot more later as 
well... Psycho as well

Stories, stories

New Orleans LA is/was one of the most corrupted/crime and Drug infested places 
on this continent.

ALL the cops are bad and drug barons in bed 

Remember the Grateful Dead Song about being busted in New Orleans? Setup like a 
bowling pin.

The folks from the north are NOTHING like the south and the inner city New 
Orleans population is what you have seen on TeeVee




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Re: [Biofuel] New Orleans. Violence mayhem....

2005-09-08 Thread Mel Riser
I CLARIFY

The folks from NORTH Louisiana are nothing like the folks from South LA

I wasn't talking about any Yankees or northerners like from Arkansas or Michigan

mel 

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From: Mel Riser 
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Subject: [Biofuel] New Orleans. Violence  mayhem

Only time in my entire life I was Almost  mugged was in New Orleans.

I'm from North La. /Ruston/La Tech area with relatives in NO.

We had gone done there when I was about 20 years ago for some wild boy partying 
on bourbon street.

On the way back to our truck, we got lost in the alleys and bumped in to the 
wrong people at 4 am

If the .357 hadn't appeared from under the coat of one of the guys running with 
us that night, we would have all been robbed and fleeced, maybe knifed or hurt


And we had NO IDEA he was packing that thing the whole evening.

Kinda glad he did/was though we didn’t hang with him a whole lot more later as 
well... Psycho as well

Stories, stories

New Orleans LA is/was one of the most corrupted/crime and Drug infested places 
on this continent.

ALL the cops are bad and drug barons in bed 

Remember the Grateful Dead Song about being busted in New Orleans? Setup like a 
bowling pin.

The folks from the north are NOTHING like the south and the inner city New 
Orleans population is what you have seen on TeeVee




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Re: [Biofuel] New Orleans. Violence mayhem....

2005-09-08 Thread Mel Riser
That's not what I SAID

I am on the Search and Rescue team here, been helping refugees for days, but 
keeping my SAR team here for the next hurricane which will probably hit south 
Texas.

And they knew about the levees.

They know what happens when it floods.

I grew up there.

ANYBODY with any sense has a boat or a canoe or SOMETHING to deal with flood 
waters.

Is it OK if they are STUPID 

Yes it is OK by me

mel 

-Original Message-
From: Mike Weaver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2005 8:08 AM
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Subject: Re: [Biofuel] New Orleans. Violence  mayhem

F.F., you miss the point.  What do you make of wandering blind drunk in a bad 
neighborhood with psycho packing a .357? ;-)

Fritz Friesinger wrote:

 Eh Mel,
 than so it's OK if they drowned?
 F.F,

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 *From:* Mel Riser mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
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 *Subject:* [Biofuel] New Orleans. Violence  mayhem

 Only time in my entire life I was Almost  mugged was in New Orleans.

 I'm from North La. /Ruston/La Tech area with relatives in NO.

 We had gone done there when I was about 20 years ago for some wild
 boy partying on bourbon street.

 On the way back to our truck, we got lost in the alleys and bumped
 in to the wrong people at 4 am

 If the .357 hadn't appeared from under the coat of one of the guys
 running with us that night, we would have all been robbed and
 fleeced, maybe knifed or hurt


 And we had NO IDEA he was packing that thing the whole evening.

 Kinda glad he did/was though we didn’t hang with him a whole lot
 more later as well... Psycho as well

 Stories, stories

 New Orleans LA is/was one of the most corrupted/crime and Drug
 infested places on this continent.

 ALL the cops are bad and drug barons in bed

 Remember the Grateful Dead Song about being busted in New Orleans?
 Setup like a bowling pin.

 The folks from the north are NOTHING like the south and the inner
 city New Orleans population is what you have seen on TeeVee




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Re: [Biofuel] New Orleans. Violence mayhem....

2005-09-08 Thread Mel Riser
Found out later he became a cop.

Great more psychos carrying weapons covertly

Mel

Who wasn't born here in Austin but got here as Fast as he could.
Who is from Louisiana, where they hand you your fishing rod and shotgun when 
you step out of the womb

:)

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[Biofuel] Austin biodiesel scene and cars

2005-09-06 Thread Mel Riser

The BioDiesel I am able to buy now here in Austin is pretty good.

We are paying 2.99 for ASTM certified soy BioDiesel in a B99 mix to avoid road 
taxes.

I blend that 50/50 with dino and some additives.

I get a nice smell and a good engine that doesn't eat fuel filters.

Took awhile to get the gunk out of the tanks, but it all is running smoothly.

We now have 4 vehicles in the family running BioD

Enice has her 4WD K5 for camping and BOV, but drives the corolla most of the 
time. She does drive the K5 once a week to keep it in shape. But it gets 21 
mpg. Not bad for a 1983 full size 3/4 ton  4wd that will go about anywhere.

I have my 1984 Volvo 240 that really is a gem of a car. Has a VW engine and 
gets 30 mpg and loves BioDiesel.

That's MY commute car.

And I have my 1978 K5 for off-road, towing the boats and travel trailer, 
livestock trailer, utility flatbed etc.

And last but not least, my 1993 1 ton Ford Ex-Ambulance with a 7.3 diesel. Use 
it for Rescue Rangering and SAR stuff and have it setup like a command post in 
the back for communications and computers. By clearing the work space you can 
also sleep two people.

This was my FIRST BioDiesel vehicle and it runs great, uses a little oil as the 
engine has 193,000 miles but is strong. I drove it out to Burning Man and back 
a few years ago. However it's currently LIMPING along as it needs a rebuild on 
the rear end. And makes horrible noises if you drive more than 25 mph.

The driveline repair place said 1500 bucks, but it hasn't been a priority. 

I keep it out back of the barn and one of these days, I am going to find a used 
rear end at a junk yard or off ebay and spend a weekend getting it back on the 
road.

Minna's mini-van, though nice and comfy and fairly economical as little as she 
drives, is getting old. We need to look at replacing it with a newer vehicle as 
I am the only one allowed to drive junk.

I am trying my best to get her to look at a Passat Diesel or Jetta.

If I had MY choice in what she drive, it would be one of the new Jeep Liberties 
with a diesel engine. I was able to drive one of these for a week in Belize 
last year. They have been making them for 4 years, only THIS year started 
SELLING them in the US.

You could buy them all over central America but they were made in Ohio and 
shipped through Miami.

But ONLY this year could you buy one in the US.

mel





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Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2005 9:14 PM
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Subject: [Biofuel] Is this fraud?

I dont think this guy realizes how fraudulent his ad is. This is NOT biodiesel, 
just WVO and dino mixed.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Bio-Diesel-Biodiesel-Kit-Fuel-for-15-cents-a-gallon_W0QQitemZ5997737337QQcategoryZ3240QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


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Re: [Biofuel] New Diesel vans

2005-09-06 Thread Mel Riser
The instrument and engine electronics are CAN bus based and all of the newer 
computers can negotiate and talk and display diagnostics.

So if you are brave, YES you can alter the code in your engine.

I have a friend, who completely redid his display on his Audi A4.

I helped some, but he is the genius.

I do know a fair amount about the CAN bus as it is an old protocol and was used 
in some building environmental controls in the past

Control
Area
Network

Buy a kit and hook it up and get a laptop

You would be amazed

If you are a geek anyway

Mel 

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From: S. Chapin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2005 9:47 PM
To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] New Diesel vans

  We recently traded in the VW for a Dodge Sprinter aka Mercedes 316 van. I am 
told by a Bosch fuel injection specialist that the reason Mercedes will not 
recommend more than b5 is that the bio sets off the 'check engine' light with 
higher bio%. This is due, he maintains, to the various sensors in the 
electronic system being somehow stymied by #'s it doesnt expect. I can only 
guess that perhaps the oxygen sensor, fuel pressure (viscosity?) sensor and 
maybe temperature sensor would get contradicting info and thereby set off the 
idiot light. So, if its true, which I will find out as soon as I can get some 
bio in the tank, then A: 
is there a way to reconfigure the computer? Or less technically involved
B: Would it be simpler to just put a bit of tape over the light when it comes 
on and run diesel only when it needs to go to Dodge for shop work... thus 
keeping what may be left of the warranty? I might add that it is a marvelous 
truck, beats the VW in most departments though a bit of a squeeze in parking 
garages.
S.Chapin






Andrew Cohen wrote:


 Just wanted to thank Keith, et al. for this interesting, albeit
 politically skewed at times list serve. I learn a lot from the
 exchanges, and am very appreciative. I'm not going to respond to
 the political chatter, because I'm more interested in learning how
 do free myself from fossil fuels, and hopefully save a few dollars
 A question for my esteemed teachers: is any Diesel motor OK for
 bio diesel? I am thinking about going out and trading my Suburban
 in for one of the new GMC Diesel Sierra's, or something else, if
 anyone has a better suggestion. I have a big family, and need at
 least 7 seats. The Chevy Sprinter might be a little big for my
 wife (she needs the car for carting the kids to school, doing the
 shopping, etc.)
 I would consider getting a used VW Transporter, Eurovan or
 something, but I don’t know much about automotive mechanics, and
 therefore am reluctant to get a used car that I might have to take
 in for troubleshooting all too often.
 So if anyone out there can point me in the right direction
 regarding diesel vans, I'd be extremely appreciative
 And again, thank you all so much for your fascinating information,
 and for showing us all that there really is a way out of this
 petroleum morass.
 Very gratefully,
 Drew

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Re: [Biofuel] Sept 1 declared no buy gas day

2005-08-30 Thread Mel Riser
Title: Re: [Biofuel] Sept 1 declared no buy gas day





Anyone in Texas has a few choices

there is BioDrive in Addison

BioWillie at Carl's corner 

Ecowise on Congress

and Austin Biofuels on south slaughter

price for b99 with the tax credit is 2.99

b100 is 3.40

and the biowillie 20/80 is about the same price as regular diesel.

mel

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  Re: [Biofuel] Sept 1 declared no buy gas day
  I'm gonna drive my car around the beltway *just for fun* just 
  like theguy who was interviewed in the Washington Post last week about gas 
  prices.He was bemoaning the fact that he couldn't afford to keep his car 
  on theroad due to gas prices. Poor fellow.Mel Riser 
  wrote: I'm gonna go down and fill up ALL my diesel vehicles with 
  B100 that day. 
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Re: [Biofuel] Sept 1 declared no buy gas day

2005-08-30 Thread Mel Riser





I just came home tonight and found 20 5 gallon jugs of WVO in my 
driveway.

guess I'm gonna be heating some oil this weekend and getting some of the 
filterable stuff out before i put it in the WVO truck.

My wife really got the point when I told her that EACH 5 gallon jug would 
run my truck for 100 miles and my car for 150 miles.

I think she is finally seeing why I keep saying sell the minvan and buy a 
TDI Jetta or a Jeep Liberty with the diesel option.

mel

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  Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Sept 1 declared no buy gas 
  day
  I'm gonna go down and fill up ALL my diesel vehicles with B100 that 
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Re: [Biofuel] What has the world come to

2005-08-30 Thread Mel Riser
what if their religous leaders said the same thing about us?
 
isn't that what the wahbi's and taliban and AlCIAduh all are preaching?
 
what right do we have to interfere with another countries elected leaders.
 
It's THEIR OIL they can CHOOSE to not sell us any if they want to.
 
These people think they can just keep on stealing other peoples resources so we 
can feed this consumber monster we have created.
 
they TRULY believe it's God's will to do this.
 
like the Teliban did when they blew up the Bhudist statues.
 
religous jihadist 
 
judeo
christian
islamic
 
all the same
 
mel

-Original Message- 
From: Clif Caldwell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thu 8/25/2005 11:11 AM 
To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org 
Cc: 
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] What has the world come to



John Hayes wrote:

Is the source for this correct ? It might be good to cite the
source if we are going to assasinate not only a living person but
also a man's character. If you have the original source for this
information then maybe we should post it here to help clear this
up. Just a thought...

Clif
   

I JUST heard it on NPR!

Here's the quote:

http://www.sciencedaily.com/upi/?feed=TopNewsarticle=UPI-1-20050823-09170200-bc-us-robertson.xml
 

I to sadly have heard the quote out of his own mouth. I have also
heard his contrite apology. Unfortunately we all say things in the
moment we later regret. Two things are true in this world..
There is a God ... And I am not Him. I cannot speak to another man's
salvation. It is regretable that men who are called men of God
still have some of the old nature in them. Fortunately the process of
sanctification is an ongoing process much like our process here to
find the perfect method creating good fuel. May Mr. Robertson
consider this episode part of his refining. Clif
   


Clif, you're still being an apologist for Robertson. First you question
the source and imply that his character is being assassinated, and now,
when faced with the statement straight from the horse's mouth, you
dissemble and imply that it's really ok because we're all just God's
imperfect creatures and it's alright because he said he was sorry.

If Robertson is so sorry, why is he blantantly LYING about what he 
said?
I thought christians of his ilk were all about taking personal
responsibility? I find any contrite apology rather thin when only
*yesterday* he was still claiming he was misinterpreted. Why did he 
go
on the air yesterday and claim he never used the word assassinate when
Monday's video clearly shows he did?

Refining my ass. The man is a lying hypocrite and you know it.

jh


 

August 24, 2005 Robertson Apologizes but Says He Was 'Misinterpreted'
 By LAURIE GOODSTEIN

The Christian broadcaster Pat Robertson issued a statement today
apologizing for his televised remarks calling for the assassination
of Venezuelan President Hugo Chávez.

Is it right to call for assassination? he said in the statement.
No, and I apologize for that statement. I spoke in frustration that
we should accommodate the man who thinks the U.S. is out to kill
him.

But Mr. Robertson was far from apologetic on his television show
today, instead insisting that he had been been misinterpreted by
The Associated Press and that he had never used the word
assassination.

I said our special forces should 'take him out.' 'Take him out'
could be a number of things, including kidnapping, Mr. Robertson
told his audience on the show The 700 Club today.

The video from Monday's telecast, easily available on the internet,
shows Mr. Robertson saying of the Venezuelan president: If he thinks
we're trying to assassinate him, I think that we really ought to go
ahead and do it. It's a whole lot cheaper than starting a war, and I
don't think any oil shipments will stop. Mr. Robertson went on at
length about Mr. Chávez, suggesting that covert operatives could
do the job and then get it over with.

Political and religious leaders continued to denounce Mr. Robertson
today. The World Evangelical Alliance issued a statement saying,
Robertson does not speak for evangelical Christians. We believe in
justice and the protection of human rights of all people, including
the life of President Chavez.

On Tuesday, Mr. 

Re: [Biofuel] Solar panals or wind

2005-08-30 Thread Mel Riser









You need both



Wind and solar.



Chances are when it is windy the clouds
maybe covering the nuclear reactor.



When its sunny no wind.



You need BOTH



Mel



Who has had a little experience with an
AWP turbine.



But my next one is a bergey
10kw



Ohh.



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From: Tom Irwin
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10:36 AM
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Subject: [Biofuel] Solar panals or
wind





Hi All,











If climate change occurs from
global warming do solar panels make more sense to buy or will wind be better.
My thoughts go toward wind. If the temperature expected occur, many areas will
have more cloudy days from all of the extra moisture evaporated into the
atmosphere from the rising ocean tamperatures. What do you all think? Wind can
be fairly constant in some areas and should only increase from climate change. 











Tom Irwin













From: Mike
Weaver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 20:56:33
-0300
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Sept 1
declared no buy gas day

FWIW BP is a fairly big player in solar panels - so far a 3-6 backlog
of 
orders.

Keith Addison wrote:

Hi Darryl

Very nice!

 

I'm sure others can contribute more ideas beyond the list above. My
point is,
don't act for a day, act for a lifetime.
 


I'm also sure, there've been some good contributions so far.

If we can et some more I can compile them and make a page at Journey 
to Forever for it, might help.

It would be nice to internationalise it a bit, but if it doesn't work 
out that way I don't mind.

Best wishes

Keith



 

Well, then I guess we can expect to see BP putting all their 
gasoline stations up
for sale. After all, the managers are required to maximize the 
returns for their
shareholders. If the stations are losing money, they have to dump 
them. I won't
be holding my breath.

As for gas-outs - it's a sad joke, as has been pointed out here before.

If you want to reduce gasoline (and diesel) consumption, for whatever
reason,
here's a start on what you can do to make a difference.

1) Walk somewhere. Anywhere. Just leave your guzzler parked.

2) Get a bicycle. Preferably something used. Try your local 
FreeCycle, or bike
repair co-op, or a used bike dealer. Find something comfortable and 
practical for
your use. Then use it.

3) Check the pressure on the tires on your vehicle. Correct if 
necessary. Slight
overinflation is better for fuel economy than slight underinflation.
Repeat
monthly or more frequently if required.

4) Have your vehicle tuned up on a regular, appropriate schedule. 
Check owner's
manual for details. Check for dragging brakes, emissions control 
system problems,
etc while you are at it.

5) Plan your trips to minimize distance travelled (trip chaining).

6) Use public transit when available and appropriate. Or carpool.

7) Use biofuels, e.g. E100, E85, E10 as recommended for your 
vehicle. There are
many flex-fuel vehicles on the road in the U.S. due to CAFE 
dual-fuel incentive,
where the owners don't even know the vehicle is flex-fuel capable.
Check your
vehicle manual. Use biodiesel blend where available or appropriate 
(or make your
own, of course).

8) Take extra weight out of your vehicle, as accelerating extra 
weight uses more
energy, and de-accelerating extra weight increases brake wear. 
(e.g. sand and salt
mixture for winter use should not be in the trunk all sumer as well).

9) When shopping for tires, look for economizer / fuel miser / 
energy wise labels.

10) When shopping for a replacement vehicle, look for something 
that is as fuel-
efficient as possible while meeting most of your needs - not 
necessarily all of
your needs. You can rent a vehicle to meet occasional requirements.

11) If you want to make a political statement, pick an oil company 
to boycott or
support. Personally, I try to buy from MacEwen's because they are 
local and have
been promoting ethanol blend here since before it was fashionable. I
boycott
Exxon/Esso/Imperial Oil due to their horrendous environmental record 
(and other
undesirable practices). Trust me, if we actually managed to drop 
Exxon's gross
revenue in a regional market by 10% for a quarter, that would 
definitely get their
attention. Giving their station attendants and cashiers a quiet day
won't.

12) Try to drive to avoid periods of traffic congestion. You get 0 mpg
when
idling in stopped traffic.

I'm sure others can contribute more ideas beyond the list above. My
point is,
don't act for a day, act for a lifetime.

Darryl McMahon



mphee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

 

Station owners really don't make much money off of gas. Their 
 

lucky to make a
 

nickel a gallon. They make their money on what's called C-Store
sales.

If more people could take public transportation it would help
greatly.


Funny tidbit. BP says they loose money on their gas stations,
$100mil last
year. You refine it, you transport it, you store it, you 
 


Re: [Biofuel] Sept 1 declared no buy gas day

2005-08-29 Thread Mel Riser




I'm gonna go down and fill up ALL my diesel vehicles with B100 that day.

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Re: [Biofuel] Best van for WVO?

2005-08-27 Thread Mel Riser
Well I have two 75 Blazers with 6.2's no blowers. And with the over drive, I 
get 20 to 23 if I don't drive to fast. Even when I tow my boat it's about the 
same,

Most folks don’t like the old 6.2 but it works for me

I also have an ex ambulance. 1 ton Ford with a 7,3 pre turbo with manual 
injecting pump

It runs great, but eh E4OD transmission is notorious for problems if you pull 
things.

I have found the transmission is undercooked and once I put a decent cooler 
with it's on fan, I have had pretty decent results.

So it depends on what you want to work on

You can find Chevy vans with 6.2 motors pretty cheap

Though you can’t beat an ambulance redundancy and toughness and good suspension.

mel
 

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Advice requested - What's a decent diesel van that could hold six or seven 
people comfortably? Can be a traditional style van, or a bigger model - a mail 
truck or small step van that we can make into a miniature camper/day-tripper. 
I'm looking to replace a Grand Caravan with something that will take a WVO 
conversion.



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RE: [Biofuel] Seed terrorism

2005-08-11 Thread Mel Riser
Title: Re: [Biofuel] Seed terrorism





if you buy a copy of Mother Jones magazine, there a lot's of funds that buy 
according to environmental wishes.

Lot's of ads in the latest issue.

mel

  -Original Message- From: Mike Weaver 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thu 8/11/2005 12:29 PM 
  To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Cc: Subject: 
  Re: [Biofuel] Seed terrorism
  Great.Not only do I have get rid of a gallon of 
  RoundUp but now I have toREBALANCE my stock portfolio. 
  Nuts.Anyone know about socially responsible investing 
  funds?-MikeKeith Addison wrote: rich 
  wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote: Don't do this! While the comment 
  below may be technically correct, there aren't 'enough' of us 
  to do this and buying shares only encourages Monsanto to keep 
  it up. IMHO our energies and monies are better spent 
  trying to expose the lies, hidden agendas, and environmentally 
  unsound practices these guys are about, and making sure as 
  many people as possible become aware of the things that might 
  make them wake up and begin to make informed choices 
  themselves. Monsanto and all thier shareholders can do nothing 
  but change to survive if they eventually cannot find thier 
  markets for what they currently 
  sell. 
  Joe Mike, you can 
  start by buying Monsanto stock. With enough 
  stockholders submitting proxy proposals (and enough 
  stockholders accepting them), that may obligate the board 
  to put them in practice. 
  Richard I'm talking about getting 
  just enough shares to be able to vote on the 
  proxies. How about these? http://www.umass.edu/peri/resources/Toxics100table.htm 
  Toxics 100 table Best 
  Keith 
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RE: [Biofuel] Electromagnetic Pulse Alert

2005-07-01 Thread Mel Riser
Title: RE: [Biofuel] Electromagnetic Pulse Alert






We use these polyphaser lightning arrestors on all our solar array installs.

we have several lightning prevention devices we use that are ALSO rated for EMP

at least it says so on the box

blah blah up to xxx joules of surge at xxx nanosecond clamp time

they are really not all that expensive considering how much the arrays and inverters cost

mel


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In a message dated 7/1/05 1:26:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:

 Subj: [Biofuel] Electromagnetic Pulse Alert
Date: 7/1/05 1:26:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (r)
Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-to: A HREF="" href="mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org">mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
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To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org

On C-SPAN, June 21 2005, I saw a fascinating account on how a terrorist
nuclear attack can disable/destroy all our electronic devices:
computers,PDAs, cellular phones, TVs, TIVOs, pagers, even many cars,
trucks and RVs. All of these devices dead, made inoperable,useless, so
many doorstops and paperweights created by a terrorist nuclear
bomb/missile's ElectroMagnetic Pulse (EMP). EMP can disable electronics
as far away as 3700 miles. Roscoe Bartlett's presentation on C-SPAN
showed that such an attack can disable the american economy for a long
time, set it back at least a hendred (100) years and create millions of
casualties.

Since the damage can be so great and so widespread, we are ALL in it
together. The banks WILL be affected. The consumers WILL be affected.
The buainesses' operations WILL be disrupted. If customers can't get
money out of the banks, they WON'T be able to buy your product or
service. Let me stress it again: we are ALL in this together. You WON'T
be able to get on the Internet (assuming that all your electronics
haven't been destroyed first) UNLESS your ISP can itself get on the
Internet.


Yet, there is hope in the form of defensive measures. Enter these words
in the Google search box :shielded rooms or EMP or NEMP or
Faraday cages or anechoic chamber.



I have NO business interests in the companies mentioned.


The Polyphaser Corporation

www.polyphaser.com http://www.polyphaser.com/



Here are some Pointers:


-


 The Electromagnetic Bomb - a Weapon of Electrical Mass Destruction

http://www.airpower.maxwell.af.mil/airchronicles/kopp/apjemp.html


Nuclear Weapons Effects


Www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/intro/nuke-effects.htm
http://Www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/intro/nuke-effects.htm


 Nuclear Weapon EMP Effects

http://www.fas.org/nuke/intro/nuke/emp.htm


Electromagnetic Pulse

http://www.physics.northwestern.edu/classes/2001Fall/Phyx135-2/19/emp.htm

 

well, gee, if the terorist haven't thought of doing this yet, this all ought
to give them a leg up.
greg

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RE: [Biofuel] US oil war game mpg

2005-07-01 Thread Mel Riser
Title: RE: [Biofuel] US oil war game mpg






i test drove a Jetta TDI and a Passat TDI last week.

Trying to get my wife to trde our mini-van in on one of these.

She wants something bigger as she has gotten spoiled on the size of the Venture.

and it does get decent mileage for it's size. We get about 18 to 20 in town and up to 23 or 25 on the road if we don;t lead foot it.

they are REALLY nice cars. plenty of pep and 45 mpg average.

and yes they will run BD.

mel


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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 In a message dated 6/30/05 11:10:32 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

   If you want to put a frown on the face of [Saudi] Wahhabis, talk
 about 100-mile-per-gallon vehicles, Woolsey said. We don't need a
 Manhattan Project to do it. 

 It cannot be that difficult as Austin Cars in the UK used to advertise
 their Model 7 as Doing 100 mph and 100 mpg (UK gallon) and that was
 between the wars. The power unit was only 700cc or 45ci and when sold to
 the public the unmodified engine did 50+mpg and about 50mph. If they
 could get that economy and performance out of a 20s 4 cylinder engine
 for advertising purposes then why not now? Chris.


 

 why do the electric motors in the accord hybrid only serve to add torque
 rather than incease mpg? Why did the 70s, 80's vw golf/rabbit diesels get 40/50
 miles a gallon then, and not much more now?
 greg

I agree about the Accord, but with regard to the 70s era Rabbit diesels,
I think you're comparing apples and oranges. A 70s diesel rabbit was
small and underpowered, lacked modern safety features and design, and
other than CO2, wasn't exactly the cleanest emissionswise.

In constrast, a contemporary TDI can actually carry 4-5 adults and has a
specious trunk. It is also much safer thanks to a more rigid frame,
crumple zones, antilock brakes and 8 (yes eight) airbags. Performance is
greatly improved in spite of a hefty increase in curb weight and,
although it isn't as clean as a gasser, the emissions have come a long
way. And it still gets between 40 and 50 mpg. Having owned an '86 Golf
(gasser) and a 03 Jetta TDI, I'll take the later in a heartbeat. No
question.


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RE: [Biofuel] Biofuel as a rural community development projectinMozambique

2005-06-30 Thread Mel Riser
Title: RE: [Biofuel] Biofuel as a rural community development projectinMozambique







  
  

  
  
  Here is something from another list i am on.
  
  interesting numbers
  mel
  
  funny you should mention this. while i was at a biodiesel 
  conf in nh last week, a speaker from nh dept of agriculture ,dick 
  uncles ,had some of the useful data.
  soy- 35 bushels- at 20 cents per pound oil 
  (1.20/gallon)$200
  sunflower- 1200 lbs- at 35 cents per pound oil (2.10/gallon ) 
  $147
  hay- 2 tons- $240
  corn silage- 20 tons- $600
  apples- 240 bushels- $2880
  corn- 70 cwt. $3000
  berries- ? $5000 up to $1
  he didn't mention capital costs or other inputs (fertilizer, fuel, 
  plastic, labor) 
  i would supplement this with my quick analysis:
  1 acre is 43560 sq.ft.
  solar thermal output is about 1-2 gallons of fuel oil equivalent per 
  sq.ft. per year in our climate. so at $2/gallon, annual thermal output of 
  an acre would be $18. capital cost of such a 2500 kw 
  (thermal) system about $2.5 million for an roi of 7% , thermal 
  efficiency about 50%
  solar pv output is about 10 watts per sq.ft and 1-1.5 kwh per watt per 
  year so at 10 cents per kwh its value would be about $5. capital cost 
  of such a 500kw system about $5million for an roi of 1% . electrical 
  efficiency about 10%
  note this does not take into account some of the inevitable 
  selfshading, but that would reduce output by less than a factor of 2.
  clearly direct production of electricity or thermal energy is a lot 
  more efficient than agricultural, but a lot more capital intensive. 
  another speaker from unh mike briggs mentioned the potential for more 
  efficient conversion of sunlight to oil by algae, but clearly capital 
  costs and water would be an issue.
  as land values increase (moving from rural to urban) the direct use 
  increases in attractiveness. afterall, the colllectors and panels can be 
  mounted on bldgs integrally.
  its interesting to note that property taxes alone in nh at $20/1000 
  limit agricultural use to land worth less than $1/acre. (my 10 acre 
  suburban lot was just assessed at 16 so i'm already over the limit 
  (except for berries))
  
  food for thoughtFrom: Ken 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: 
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  AllI've been wanting to do an energy budget comparing the use of 
  an area ofland covered with pv collectors or some kind of heat 
  collection platesand the same area use to grow corn or canola to 
  produce usable fuel.Always hate burning stuff for energy but the 
  "direct" technologies seemso inefficient and 
  expensive.Would have to account for co-products 
  andpollution amount.Anybody seen such a study on 
  the net?Save me a lot of work in "sparetime" I don't 
  have?;-)KenMarc 
  Ringuette wrote:   Long term, though, I'm 
  keen on the possibility of replacing  the fossil-fuel economy 
  with solar-produced hydrogen or methane.  Although, I admit, 
  such a scheme would have to compete with  nature's own 
  solar-to-organic-fuel scheme, photosynthesis.  Maybe I should 
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RE: [Biofuel] Hybrid Diesel

2005-06-29 Thread Mel Riser
Title: RE: [Biofuel] Hybrid Diesel





you can always try the wayback internet time machine.

I'm always AMAZED at what it remembers.

if it was publicly available, and in a search engine, chances are it is in 
the time machine

http://www.archive.org/web/web.php

  -Original Message- From: Keith Addison 
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  RE: [Biofuel] Hybrid Diesel
  Hello TonyGreetings, All -The loss 
  of the PNGV links at NREL is no surprise.Not really, 
  no.The Feds are deleting online files by the gross. Anything that 
  makesthem out for what they are is going, going... 
  Gone.Keith - If you still have the old links, I suppose I 
  could play withthe 'wayback machine' and see if I can get partial 
  pages. Images arevery unlikely, but text should be 
  there.That's a good idea - I'll dig up some backups and see what I can 
  find. Thanks!What goes on here (on this list) is critical - There 
  are a painfulfew 'real' researchers out there working this problem 
  (U.S. anyway).It is up to us...Yes... and many others like us. 
  Painfully few as a proportion of thewhole, it's true, but many in number, 
  and it's growing fast. Look atthe growth of the blogosphere, for one 
  instance - sure, there's a lotof woolly nonsense there, but there's a lot 
  of good solid stuff too,that you don't find anywhere else, more and more 
  of it, and it hasits effect. Maybe the number's more important than the 
  proportion.Best 
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RE: [Biofuel] Hybrid Diesel

2005-06-28 Thread Mel Riser
Title: RE: [Biofuel] Hybrid Diesel






solomon technologies has a hybrid Sailboat /diesel/electic system.

the largest shipping motor they have in production is a 12 hp but they have a 20 hp 1000rpm engine in testing right now.

We have been in discussions with them about a hybrid system for a sailboat my brother and I are starting construction on next summer.

however the 20 hp MIGHT be really good for a car as well as it does regenerative chrging when the sailboat is under sail.

http://www.solomontechnologies.com

interesting reading regardless.

mel



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RE: [Biofuel] Re: solar tracking devices -- attn: Kieth

2005-06-19 Thread Mel Riser



well, depending on the construction, reliability and cost, we may be 
interested.

We install quite a few trackers and arrays, and I can tell this. It better 
be BOMBPROOF, as once you put several 1000 watts on top it gets heavy and the 
wind load is severe.

We tried a bunch of others, but only use the Wattsun tracker these 
days.

mel

  -Original Message- From: Michael Redler 
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  To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Cc: Subject: 
  Re: [Biofuel] Re: solar tracking devices -- attn: Kieth
  
  
  The reason I've been doing so much cost analysis is because I was issued 
  a patent for a tracking device in May. After five years of work and all of my 
  disposable income, I finally have something to show for it. When finished, it 
  will be able to acquire the position of the sun and track it from any 
  orientation. It will be able to accommodate either a mirror for reflecting 
  solar energy, or a solar panel for directly converting solar energy to 
  electricity or heat. For more information, see the USPTO link 
  below.
  
  Self-powered intermittent moving light tracking device and 
  method
  http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2Sect2=HITOFFp=1u=/netahtml/search-bool.htmlr=1f=Gl=50co1=ANDd=ptxts1=redlerOS=redlerRS=redler
  
  I hesitated to let people know about it because I wanted to have a 
  prototype ready first. I think a patent is a lot less convincing without proof 
  that it works.
  
  However, I have the documentation for a prototype almost complete and 
  plan to have a working (commercialized) model ready in aboutfour 
  tosix weeks. My reason for sharing this info early is to push myself to 
  work against a deadline.
  
  Kieth: I don't know if this is appropriate, but eventually I will be 
  looking for people to help me commercialize the device.Mypersonal 
  ambitionsinclude taking the technology to developing countriesto 
  put it to good use. If you think that this forum is not the place 
  tosolicit help for this project, please let me know. Ifyou feel 
  this email contains information that is inappropriate in any way, I 
  apologize.
  
  Mikedes [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
  Michael 
Redler wrote: OK folks. For what its worth, here is another 
crack at it.  1 square meter panel = 1000W * .10 (split the 
difference between 8 and  12) = 100W 100W * $5.00/W = 
$500.00 per panel 100W * .30 = energy gained using tracker, based on 
previous reference  = 30W Equivalent value of PV panel = 30W 
* $5.00 = $150.00  so  I guess in order 
to compete with the cost of PV, we need a tracker for  a 1sq meter 
panel that costs $150.00 or less.  MikeGot my 
tracker information and a module from Duane Johnson at 
http://www.redrok.com/main.htm that lets me track the sun by its 
position, stops tracking when there are too many clouds... etc. Good 
knowledgeable guy to discuss this sort of thing with. Good information 
on building your own tracking system for next to nothing if you've got a 
basement full of "stuff that is just too good to throw 
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RE: [Biofuel] BioDiesel on Spike TeeVee Trucks show

2005-06-17 Thread Mel Riser
Title: RE: [Biofuel] BioDiesel on Spike TeeVee Trucks show





I agree with all of this. It is too expensive.

But anyone that doesn't want to spend that kind of money, will hopefully 
google Biodiesel and come up with Journey to forever.

HOPEFULLY.

My point is making your own biofuel is finally making into mainstream 
TeeVee.

hopefully they will want to make their own as that is what the gist of that 
show is about anyway.

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RE: Re[2]: [Biofuel] BioDiesel on Spike TeeVee Trucks show

2005-06-17 Thread Mel Riser



may be easier and cheaper for me to write them and ask Spike and Trucks! to 
send me one.

no worries. Let me send them and email.

I would bet the fuel meister guys also have a video.


mel

  -Original Message- From: Gregg Davidson 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Fri 6/17/2005 4:44 AM 
  To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Cc: Subject: 
  Re: Re[2]: [Biofuel] BioDiesel on Spike TeeVee Trucks 
show
  Hi Gustl,
  
  You're quite right.The easiest way of making a DVD is to connect my VCR 
  to a DVD recorder. Unfortunately, I don't have a DVD recorder. I do have an 
  ADS Pyro Link that I can connect to the video output ofmyVCR, 
   to my computer via a firewire port. I have Nero software that will allow 
  me to make an .avi of what I'm inputting, then it converts the .avi 
  toDVD format. Then Isimply use the computer's burner to make the 
  DVD.As I mentioned, I've only had thechance to try it once, 
  but I had trouble with dropped frames. My computer has been upgraded since 
  then, butmaking the time to tinker has been almost impossible.I 
  have "too many irons in the fire" as it were.
  
  Sincerely,
  Gregg Davidson
  
  Gustl Steiner-Zehender [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
  Hallo 
Greg,Mel,Thursday, 16 June, 2005, 18:17:20, you 
wrote:...snip...GD As to the mini-DV tape or DVD, I have some 
equipment to transferGD VHS to DVD, but I have only tried it once, 
with not much luck.GD I'll see what I can come up with  let you 
know.It is my understanding that transferring VHS to DVD can 
beaccomplished by buying a device with a VHS player and DVD 
burnerhardwired to operate together, and that they work well. They 
are,however, quite expensive (at least I consider them expensive) at 
over$200 per unit. Not worth it perhaps.With video capture cards 
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perhaps not both every time. It seems ratherunpredictable. There are 
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RE: [Biofuel] solar tracking devices

2005-06-17 Thread Mel Riser
Title: [Biofuel] solar tracking devices





yes that is correct. But anytime you can track you get maximum power.

I use the Wattsun tracker.

mel

if you go to our site and click on commercial installs you can see some 
pretty big trackers in action. We even have some of the data online.

http://www.meridiansolar.com

mr

  -Original Message- From: Lyle Estill 
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  solar tracking devices
  Does your 30% gain depend on where you are on the 
  planet? Wouldn't itbe less for those further south and more 
  for those in northern climes?On Jun 17, 2005, at 9:07 AM, Michael 
  Redler wrote: I've been researching the cost of solar power and 
  whether or not it's cost effective to use a solar tracking 
  device. There are not a lot of manufacturers of solar trackers. 
  However, some of the calculations I've done would indicate that 
  if the price were kept low enough, it would lower your total 
  price for solar electricity. Here isan example that I've been 
  using based on a tracker that can accommodate a 1sq meter panel. 
  I arbitrarily picked a cost of $1000.00 for my first 
  iteration:  $5.00 per watt x 1000 watts = $5000,00 per 
  square meter (approximately) for PV panels. If I found a tracker 
  which will hold a 1m sq panel for $1000.00 and I get a 30% panel 
  output increase, (that's $5000.00 x .30 = $1500.00 worth of PV 
  power for a $1000 investment) I think I wouldcome out 
  ahead.  Results: Total cost for 1000 watts 
  (without tracker) = $5000.00 or $5.00 per watt Total 
  cost for 1300 watts (with tracker) = $6000.00 or $4.62 per watt The 
  cost of the power gained from using a tracker = $1000.00/300 
  watts = $3.33 per watt I think this may be 
  relevant to those biofuelers who wouldprefer to process 
  their fuel in a location where power from the grid or their 
  homes may not be asconvenient as a more autonomous source, using 
  PV. Even if the speculation is true and we see a reduction in 
  PV power cost (projected $2.00 per watt), These cost 
  calculations would still be fairly reasonable whenone has 
  limitedspace. Can anyone confirm or correct these 
  calculations? Mike 
   References: The 
  1000 watts is based on the estimatedsolar power radiated onto 
  the Earth's surface per square meter. http://physics.mtsu.edu/~klumpe/astr1030/lectures/ 
  Chapter%2009.pdf#search='1000%20Watts%20per%20square%20meter%20sun'pag 
  e 1 The price per Watt for PV panels is based 
  on: http://www.solarbuzz.com/ModulePrices.htm 
  30% is an estimated average increase in power outputfrom a 
  comparison betweenpanels in a fixed position (30 degrees 
  incline) and panels mounted to a tracker. 
  http://www.wattsun.com/resources.html 
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RE: [Biofuel] solar tracking devices

2005-06-17 Thread Mel Riser
Title: [Biofuel] solar tracking devices






the very last commercial install has data points for a fixed top of pole 
array and a tracked array.



  -Original Message- From: Mel Riser 
  Sent: Fri 6/17/2005 2:48 PM To: 
  Biofuel@sustainablelists.org; Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Cc: 
  Subject: RE: [Biofuel] solar tracking devices
  yes that is correct. But anytime you can track you get maximum 
  power.
  
  I use the Wattsun tracker.
  
  mel
  
  if you go to our site and click on commercial installs you can see some 
  pretty big trackers in action. We even have some of the data online.
  
  http://www.meridiansolar.com
  
  mr
  
-Original Message- From: Lyle Estill 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Fri 6/17/2005 1:51 PM 
To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Cc: 
Subject: [Biofuel] solar tracking devices
Does your 30% gain depend on where you are on the 
planet? Wouldn't itbe less for those further south and more 
for those in northern climes?On Jun 17, 2005, at 9:07 AM, 
Michael Redler wrote: I've been researching the cost of solar 
power and whether or not it's cost effective to use a solar 
tracking device. There are not a lot of manufacturers of solar 
trackers. However, some of the calculations I've done would 
indicate that if the price were kept low enough, it would 
lower your total price for solar electricity. Here isan 
example that I've been using based on a tracker that can 
accommodate a 1sq meter panel. I arbitrarily picked a cost of 
$1000.00 for my first iteration:  $5.00 
per watt x 1000 watts = $5000,00 per square meter 
(approximately) for PV panels. If I found a tracker which will hold 
a 1m sq panel for $1000.00 and I get a 30% panel output 
increase, (that's $5000.00 x .30 = $1500.00 worth of PV power 
for a $1000 investment) I think I wouldcome out 
ahead.  Results: Total cost for 1000 watts 
(without tracker) = $5000.00 or $5.00 per watt Total 
cost for 1300 watts (with tracker) = $6000.00 or $4.62 per watt The 
cost of the power gained from using a tracker = $1000.00/300 
watts = $3.33 per watt I think this may be 
relevant to those biofuelers who wouldprefer to process 
their fuel in a location where power from the grid or their 
homes may not be asconvenient as a more autonomous source, using 
PV. Even if the speculation is true and we see a reduction 
in PV power cost (projected $2.00 per watt), These cost 
calculations would still be fairly reasonable whenone 
has limitedspace. Can anyone confirm or correct these 
calculations? Mike 
 References: The 
1000 watts is based on the estimatedsolar power radiated onto 
the Earth's surface per square meter. http://physics.mtsu.edu/~klumpe/astr1030/lectures/ 
Chapter%2009.pdf#search='1000%20Watts%20per%20square%20meter%20sun'pag 
e 1 The price per Watt for PV panels is based 
on: http://www.solarbuzz.com/ModulePrices.htm 
30% is an estimated average increase in power outputfrom a 
comparison betweenpanels in a fixed position (30 degrees 
incline) and panels mounted to a 
tracker. http://www.wattsun.com/resources.html 
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RE: [Biofuel] BioDiesel on Spike TeeVee Trucks show

2005-06-16 Thread Mel Riser
I am not sure if it was junk. It seemdd to work and the titration charts and 
examples they had seemd clear and easy. Even had a water wash option.
 
Whether fule meister is worth the 3000 they are advertising it for or whether 
someone would be more interested in the old water heater batch processor, it 
DID present BioDiesel in a good light and will spur the imagination of millions 
of diesel truck owners and that can't be a bad thing.
 
I agree with Gregg, the Show was an A for clarity and clear presentation. 
Wheter the fuel meister is worth or not depends on how mechanically inclined 
you are.
Most viewers of trucks are wrenchers that make their own stuff and if they can 
go to Journey to forever and learn how to make the same thing for less than 
1000 USD then maybe they will.
 
I wish I had taped as well.
 
Hey Gregg can you make a Mini-DV tape or DVD? I would pay you something for 
digital files of the show.
 
mel

-Original Message- 
From: Keith Addison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wed 6/15/2005 9:28 PM 
To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org 
Cc: 
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] BioDiesel on Spike TeeVee Trucks show



Hi Gregg, Mel

Hi Mel,

I saw too. I also taped it for future reference. I did notice one
thing that Stacey failed to mention: Heating the oil.

Funny how they fail to mention that.

I know that it's possible to make biodiesel in a blender from virgin
oil, but the stuff he was using looked as though it had been around
the block at least once. I'll give the show an A for giving the
basics. I've not had any experience with the Fuel Meister, but I
have read some things online that aren't flattering.

It's junk. The instructions (destructions?) that come with it are
also junk - back to
  the Dark Ages!, as some have said.

See (please do!):
http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg35652.html
Re: [biofuel] Best Processer

You could make an excellent processor plus more than 8,000 gallons
of high-quality biodiesel for that price.

If dear old Rudi would only put anything like the effort he puts into
promotion into making a half-decent bit of gear to promote... Don't
hold yer breath.

Sincerely,
Gregg Davidson


Mel Riser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Just saw the Fuel Meister on Trucks!

And they didn't drive it into the sea? Pity.

They made a batch of BioDiesel and then put it in the truck and ran it.

Pretty good show

Now every Truck freak in the US will know about this.

Sounds like the notorious BBC Top Gear show of a few years back -
just add a teaspoon of turpentine and you can run your car on veggie
oil. Not! But a lot of people believed it, and probably still do. A
lot of them wrote to us, very boring! Now we're getting truckies
doing the same thing. ... if this fuel works as well as the trucks
segment said... :-(

My dad called me last week and some of his buddies in Louisiana (
where I'm from) are talking BioDiesel and grease cars.

Well set him right, eh, Mel? Build your own!
http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_processor.html
Biodiesel processors

And then just do it right:
Where do I start?
http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make.html#start

Best wishes

Keith

mel


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[Biofuel] BioDiesel on Spike TeeVee Trucks show

2005-06-12 Thread Mel Riser
Title: Re: [Biofuel] How would any of you answer this one?





Just saw the Fuel Meister on Trucks!

They made a batch of BioDiesel and then put it in the truck and ran it.
Pretty good show
Now every Truck freak in the US will know about this.

My dad called me last week and some of his buddies in Louisiana ( where I'm 
from) are talking BioDiesel and grease cars.

mel


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RE: [Biofuel] fuel filter

2005-06-11 Thread Mel Riser









Thanks Jon.



My tanks are now pretty clean and I am not
cleaning any more filters.



I have been in touch with the guys at
Greasecar.com as well as greasel.com.



The racor heated
filters seem to be the best.



mel



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Mel, 











Your
fuel filter must be have no bypass ability, should be of the same micron as the
original fuel filter for your vehicle and all of the fuel that is used should
be pre filtered to a micron smaller than the fuel filter. 











As an
example my original fuel filter is 10 micron so my new filter for vegetable oil
is 10 micron and all my fuel is pre filtered through paper then through a one
half micron filter sock. This assures my filter will last much longer
because the filter clogging takes place over a 55 gallon drum, not inside my
fuel filter. 











There
are filters for sale at:











http://www.greasecar.com











and 











http://www.greasel.com











Do not
use an engine lubricating oil filter ... most will bypass and allow
gunk to flow to your injectors, use a fuel filter. The secret to running
on SVO is overkill on the pre filtering. Depending on your climate there
are heating options available on some filter styles. I need all the heat
I can get here in Vermont. I like running SVO because I need no lye or
methanol. The gunk from filtering gets pot burned in my stove for cooking
and heat. 











Hope
that helps. 











Jon
Normandin










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RE: [Biofuel] Global Warming Approaching Point of No Return, Warns Leading Climate Expert

2005-01-26 Thread Mel Riser

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it's not Minnasota we have to worry about, it's the arctic and antarctica.
 
when the polar ice caps melt we will all be in deep water.
 
mel
 
and yes the jet streams may shift so weather is not indicative of GLOBAL trends.
 
you may be warmer or colder than historical averages.
 
but the POLES are warming and the permafrost is melting
 
 

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As I sit here freezing, in temperatures colder than normal, I have a 
hard
time swallowing the global warming concept.

Mick

From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: [Biofuel] Global Warming Approaching Point of No Return, Warns
Leading Climate Expert
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 03:22:33 +0900

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines05/0123-01.htm
Published on Sunday, January 23, 2005 by the lndependent/UK

Global Warming Approaching Point of No Return, Warns Leading Climate 
Expert

by Geoffrey Lean

Global warning has already hit the danger point that international 
attempts
to curb it are designed to avoid, according to the world's top climate
watchdog.

Dr Rajendra Pachauri, the chairman of the official Intergovernmental 
Panel
on Climate Change (IPCC), told an international conference attended by 
114
governments in Mauritius this month that he personally believes that 
the
world has already reached the level of dangerous concentrations of 
carbon
dioxide in the atmosphere and called for immediate and very deep 
cuts in
the pollution if humanity is to survive.

His comments rocked the Bush administration - which immediately tried 
to
slap him down - not least because it put him in his post after Exxon, 
the
major oil company most opposed to international action on global 
warming,
complained that his predecessor was too aggressive on the issue.

A memorandum from Exxon to the White House in early 2001 specifically 
asked
it to get the previous chairman, Dr Robert Watson, the chief scientist 
of
the World Bank, replaced at the request of the US. The Bush
administration then lobbied other countries in favor of Dr Pachauri - 
whom
the former vice-president Al Gore called the let's drag our feet
candidate, and got him elected to replace Dr Watson, a British-born
naturalized American, who had repeatedly called for urgent action.

But this month, at a conference of Small Island Developing States on 
the
Indian Ocean island, the new chairman, a former head of India's Tata 
Energy
Research Institute, himself issued what top United Nations officials
described as a very courageous challenge.

He told delegates: Climate change is for real. We have just a small 
window
of opportunity and it is closing rather rapidly. There is not a moment 
to
lose.

Afterwards he told The Independent on Sunday that widespread dying of 
coral
reefs, and rapid melting of ice in the Arctic, had driven him to the
conclusion that the danger point the IPCC had been set up to avoid had
already been reached.

Reefs throughout the world are perishing as the seas warm up: as water
temperatures rise, they lose their colors and turn a ghostly white. 
Partly
as a result, up to a quarter of the world's corals have been destroyed.

And in November, a multi-year study by 300 scientists concluded that 
the
Arctic was warming twice as fast as the rest of the world and that its
ice-cap had shrunk by up to 20 per cent in the past three decades.

The ice is also 40 per cent thinner than it was in the 1970s and is
expected to disappear altogether by 2070. And while Dr Pachauri was
speaking parts of the Arctic were having a January heatwave, with
temperatures eight to nine degrees centigrade higher than normal.

He also cited alarming measurements, first reported in The Independent 
on
Sunday, showing that levels of carbon dioxide (the main cause of global
warming) have leapt abruptly over the past two years, suggesting that
climate change may be accelerating out of control.

He added that, because of inertia built into the Earth's natural 
systems,
the world was now only 

RE: [Biofuel] B100 TDI cold start in a pinch exhaust tip

2005-01-19 Thread Mel Riser

They have these great propane heaters up on the north slope you stick under a 
backhoe or crane or bulldozer to crank them.

On REALLY cold nights they never turn them off.

But the heaters are pretty common in Alaska and some tow companies have them on 
their tow trucks.

Mel

This is a GREAT idea and one I will park in my mind for future use.

:)

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G'da Sr Del Bueno;

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Subject: [Biofuel] B100 TDI cold start in a pinch exhaust tip


 Last night, in Atlanta, GA, we experienced a pretty unexpected 
 temperature
 drop to around 24 degF, which caught a few B100 folks by surprise this 
 morning.
 A friend of mine who had 1/2 a tank of b100 in his 2005 Jetta TDI wagon 
 hopped in his car, drove about a block, and stalled out. No way that solid 
 block of fuel was moving.

Is your friend aware that the fuel pump in his '05 TDI may not be BD 
friendly ? There have been several posts here about that. From what I 
gathered it might even void the warranty, if that is a concern.


 So... I met him with 5 gallons of petrodiesel and some diesel fuel 
 anti
 gelling additive and hoped we could get things flowing. No luck.

 So... after wishing we had a hair dryer to warm up the fuel filter 
 (and
 IP, lines, etc)..we had an idea... Off we ran to the hardware store for an 
 8' length of laundry dryer flex hose, and some foil tape.  Hooked the hose 
 to the exhaust of my 86 Ford Ranger (turbo diesel)...stuffed it under the 
 hood of the jetta (as the bottom the car has a bunch of cowling)..and sat 
 in the warm Ford for about 20 minutes.
 After a few attempts..The engine fired up!

Ingenuity, gotta love it. I once saw a guy who needed to haul off a long 
piece of pipe but only had a cra so he used two towels, wrapped the pipe in 
them and then jammed them in the windows and off he went.


 It stalled out moments later, but one more try got it up and running. 
 Soon the 50/50 blend with additive was flowing, and it was smooth 
 sailing. Just thought I'd pass along the experience.

Thanks for sharing. i am in the middle of playing around with a test batch 
and the freezer :-)

Luc
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RE: [Biofuel] biodiesel processor

2005-01-06 Thread Mel Riser

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there is a company here in Austin that sells above ground tanks with pumps and 
everything that can be dropped in place just about anywhere to add a biofueling 
station. All you have to do is get elctricity to the pumps
 
i'll try and dig up a link and send it to the list.
 
they were at the Texas Energy Congress a few months ago and I talked to the guy.
 
mel

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Dave -

What size would you recommend for a typical gas
station/C-store in the United States?

There are orphan gas stations that can be potentially
converted into a biodiesel/clean fuel gas
stationmaybe a neighborhood gas station of the
future will have a WVO biorefiner in back of the
station and pumps in front...like a neighborhood
dairy.

Most refernces state that the average medium sized gas
station sells about 40,000 to 80,000 gallons per month
of traditional fuels to remain profitable viable and
pay the bills.

Interested in gathering more research.

Phillip Wolfe




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 I sell biodieselprocessors ready for production from
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 Please have a look at www.carryon.se

 Best regards

 David

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RE: [Biofuel] Seeds

2005-01-04 Thread Mel Riser

Remember just dont carry your almanac around on the dash of your car.

Then you are a terrorist.

:)

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Try a farmer's almanac.  It can't hurt and it could help.

Peggy


Sorry, I don't have any recommendations for you.  But I did want to mention 
that I use normal store bought pre-sprouted plants every year.  This year I had 
horrible time with my veggies.  Tomatoes especially took it hard this year.  
Looked diseased.  Sweet green and hot peppers did fine.  String beans did OK.  
Even onions faired poorly.  I can't figure out what actually happend.  I live 
in Southern Ontario.

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RE: [Biofuel] Anyone know anything about this on ebay?

2005-01-03 Thread Mel Riser

As far as I can tell I havent gotten a response back.

I too would be interested if it works well.

Price seems reasonable for a turn key system.

See if he will respond to your email John.

mel

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He is not too far from me, might be worth looking onto and picking it up myself.
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 I haven't ventured this far in my quest, but I'd really love to hear 
 if anyone picks up one of these units.  If it works satisfactorily, 
 I'd be willing to buy one.

 Cheers,

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 Hey,
 Saw this on ebay...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemcategory=11809item=3864167546
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 anybodys opinion on this?
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RE: [Biofuel] Anyone know anything about this on ebay?

2005-01-03 Thread Mel Riser

I got a response from him tonight.

He says he has one just like it and makes fuel for his two Mercedes and for his 
oil burner at his house.

I told him about our list.

I'll ask if I can forward his email to the list.

mel

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He is not too far from me, might be worth looking onto and picking it up myself.
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 I haven't ventured this far in my quest, but I'd really love to hear 
 if anyone picks up one of these units.  If it works satisfactorily, 
 I'd be willing to buy one.

 Cheers,

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 Saw this on ebay...

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[Biofuel] Linux box

2005-01-03 Thread Mel Riser

I had to work down at RobotGroup today as we are having to move out of our 
warehouse and had to move the Robot Brain and all the racks.

http://www.robotgroup.org

http://www.robotgroup.net

So I didn't get everything done I wanted to.

But will let you know tomorrow or the next day when the box is up.

Sorry it is taking a little longer.

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RE: [Biofuel] Linux box

2005-01-03 Thread Mel Riser

Sorry this was supposed to go to Martin, not the list

Apologies.

mel

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I had to work down at RobotGroup today as we are having to move out of our 
warehouse and had to move the Robot Brain and all the racks.

http://www.robotgroup.org

http://www.robotgroup.net

So I didn't get everything done I wanted to.

But will let you know tomorrow or the next day when the box is up.

Sorry it is taking a little longer.

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RE: [Biofuel] Anyone know anything about this on ebay?

2005-01-01 Thread Mel Riser

I checked it out.

I sent him an email. Asking about manufacturer.

It looks brand new

mel

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Hey,
Saw this on ebay... 
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anybodys opinion on this?
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RE: [Biofuel] cold climate biodiesel production

2004-12-29 Thread Mel Riser

Number one diesel like they sell up north has additives and some paraffin to 
keep it from gelling.

You could buy some of the commercial anti-gelling agents to lower the 
temperature.

I spoke with my brother in Alaska yesterday about this and he says they make a 
special additive you put in the diesel and it keeps it from gelling down to -40.

They also use engine heaters and tank heaters there.

mel

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Mike,

That's as normal as the sun rising in the east.

Expect to start having gel/solidification problems at around 40*F with WVO 
esters. The problem isn't that the oil is used, but that animal fats are 
generally present in WVO. Also, much WVO is partially hydrogenated (looks 
like veg shortening prior to its first use). This imparts some of the same 
properties as animal fats, as the carbon chains are more saturated.

You might be able to push the useable temp for B-100 from WVO a few degrees 
lower than 40*F as long as that temp is a fleeting overnight low, not a 
steady state.

Nasty business trying to get a diesel to start when it's got solidified 
crisco in its veins. Can sure wreck your plans for several hours, 
presuming you've got a tent or a garage you can roll your disabled car into. 
Longer if you don't.

Todd Swearingen

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Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 2:06 PM
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RE: [Biofuel] god problems

2004-12-29 Thread Mel Riser

 my premise is religion is a PERSONAL issue and just because some may be into 
Jesus, others are into Mohamed or Gautama.

Religion forms the mind of man, but after graduation all are welcome in the 
next life. So regardless of what you believe

Your actions are more important than your flavor or belief.

A good man is good in any town and religion on this planet.

So there is No ONLY way to get to heaven. No matter what flavor of brainwashing 
you chose.

As long as you titrated the teachings and fruit comes into action. The religion 
was effective.

Mel

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RE: [Biofuel] looking for a van

2004-12-29 Thread Mel Riser

I bought an old ambulance off of ebay. Most if not all are diesel powered and 
you can get a great deal if you shop around.

Have even seen some diesel vans on there that were not ambulances.

mel

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I am looking for a used diesel van. Any suggestions on which make is 
better for biodiesel? I am currently home brewing for my
1979 Rabbit. Also, does anyone know of vans for sale? I am having 
trouble finding one. I am located in California, but all areas will be 
considered.
thanks
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RE: [Biofuel] cold climate biodiesel production

2004-12-29 Thread Mel Riser

This appears to be the answer

http://www.powerservice.com/arcticexpress_biodiesel_antigel.asp

mel

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Hi Mel

Petro-diesel antigels/pour point depressants don't work very well 
with biodiesel. See Additives:

http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_winter.html
Biodiesel in winter

Best

Keith


Number one diesel like they sell up north has additives and some
paraffin to keep it from gelling.

You could buy some of the commercial anti-gelling agents to lower
the temperature.

I spoke with my brother in Alaska yesterday about this and he says
they make a special additive you put in the diesel and it keeps it 
from gelling down to -40.

They also use engine heaters and tank heaters there.

mel

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From: Appal Energy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 9:01 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] cold climate biodiesel production


Mike,

That's as normal as the sun rising in the east.

Expect to start having gel/solidification problems at around 40*F with 
WVO esters. The problem isn't that the oil is used, but that animal 
fats are generally present in WVO. Also, much WVO is partially 
hydrogenated (looks like veg shortening prior to its first use). This 
imparts some of the same properties as animal fats, as the carbon 
chains are more saturated.

You might be able to push the useable temp for B-100 from WVO a few 
degrees lower than 40*F as long as that temp is a fleeting overnight 
low, not a steady state.

Nasty business trying to get a diesel to start when it's got solidified 
crisco in its veins. Can sure wreck your plans for several hours, 
presuming you've got a tent or a garage you can roll your disabled car 
into. Longer if you don't.

Todd Swearingen

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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 2:06 PM
Subject: [Biofuel] cold climate biodiesel production


Hello all, I'm having trouble making biodiesel that won't gel in temps 
below 20 deg, either washed or unwashed. Is this normal or have I 
picked up some bad wvo? thanks Mike 
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RE: [Biofuel] Windows warning

2004-12-28 Thread Mel Riser

ALL unpatched machines are vulnerable.  Any unpatched computer can be taken 
over so easy.

Regardless of the OS Including Lunux.  Expecially Linux.

So it's not the OS but the person taking care of it.

mel

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On Monday, December 27, 2004  3:49 PM, Kirk McLoren wrote:

Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 13:49:39 -0800 (PST)
From: Kirk McLoren
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The information carried enough credibility that the
German government abandoned Microsoft. The replacement
OS, Linux, also turned out to be cheaper to support.

The German Government was wise (if this is true) not because of an 
NSA/Microsoft hoax but rather that any savy programmer can gain access to any 
given windows machine at about any given time due to many many inherant flaws 
in the operating system.  The shear quantity of exploits in the Mickeysoft (as 
you put it) enables anyone (NSA including) to pretty much take over any 
unpatched machine at will without conspiring ahead of time.


Doesn't sound too good for Mickeysoft.
Hey now... I bet Disney would take offense to that... I prefer the more 
degrading term of Microsux or Microsloth!  hehe


I understand Bill Gates solution was to purchase more
than 50% of Red Hat, a major distribution of Linux.

Kirk



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RE: [Biofuel] Titration problems

2004-12-28 Thread Mel Riser

If you dont titrate right you can't get to heaven? See it is relevant.

It's all in the doing, not in the religion.

All religions can get you to god, if titrated correctly.

Wait...wait.. you're gonna come back with a my way or no way line right?

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on 12/27/04 3:47 PM, bmolloy at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



 Romans 2:13 is also applicable. etc etc



Please update the Subject line when you change the
Subject. I consider GOD to be ineffable, i.e.,
unable to be talked about. Titration, OTOH, is quite
effable, and a subject of some interest to me.

-K

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RE: [Biofuel] Cheepo 5 gallon Filter Assembly to filter WVO to yourPre-heat tank or reactor.

2004-12-28 Thread Mel Riser

Aquatic eco systems sell graded stainless steel screen for filters.

You can get several sizes down to 50 microns?

I think you can find the SS screen on their website, though I have a catalogue.

mel

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yourPre-heat tank or reactor.


Cheepo 5 gallon Filter Assembly to filter WVO to your Pre-heat tank or reactor.

I found a solution to filter the WVO before adding it to my Processor.

***

Take two (or three) 5 Gallon round drywall buckets and cut the bottoms from 
both.  ( I used a jig saw with no problem)  If the buckets have sealed lids, 
cut the lids out as well.

Bucket A:  Wrap a 28x 28 or so, (fiberglass) mesh window screen around the 
bottom and side leaving no gaps.  Pay attention to conforming the screening to 
the bottom and don't worry too much about the bucket sides as the screening 
will crease. 

Install Bucket A into Bucket B.  This will hold the filter (screen) in place.

Slide a 2x4, or pipe through the handle to support the filter bucket over 
your preheat tank and pump or pour your WVO.

I imagine you can add a third bucket to the design with a smaller or larger 
micron filtration, but the window mesh was sufficient.


Thank you, 
Kevin Shea
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RE: [Biofuel] god problems (see, got rid of titration)

2004-12-28 Thread Mel Riser

Wow, Elvis knows a little about god.

Bet he is into BioFuel too!

For those folk looking for some decent trucks that are diesel powered. There 
are a few nice ones on ebay right now about to go pretty cheap.  Mostly older 
chevies with 6.2's in them.

mel

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I dressed as Elvis to my Uncle Harry's wedding because Uncle Harry was so damm 
cool.  The preacher threw me out.  Said I was sacreligeous.  I looked at him 
and said, I bet you can't dance. and left.

I came looking for biofuels and found god?  Notice the little g?

I am walking the way I walk and am just looking for some biofuel action. Just 
looking for biofuels.  Pretty soon this will divide into camps and the fighting 
begins.  Never fails.

You know it as well as I do.

How about some biofuel?

Bill


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 If you dont titrate right you can't get to heaven? See it is 
 relevant.

 It's all in the doing, not in the religion.

 All religions can get you to god, if titrated correctly.

 Wait...wait.. you're gonna come back with a my way or no way line 
 right?



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RE: [Biofuel] god problems (see, got rid of titration)

2004-12-28 Thread Mel Riser

I would like to put an ... Ahemm... Amen on this one

Go robert go.

If we had put that 250 billion we dumped into Iraq into buying solar panels, 
how much energy and jobs you think that would have produced?

Of course some fat assed soccer moms driving surburbans MIGHT have to pay 5 
dollars per gallon of gasoline. And MAYBE some of us huge wasters of energy MAY 
NOT be able to DRIVER everywhere.

Bet we wouldnt have as many fat people here.

Ever watch the REALLY FAT ones at the grocery store? They will circle the 
parking lot 14 times all to get a space 20 feet closer to the door.

Where is the god in that?

mel

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From: robert luis rabello [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 12:01 AM
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Crimson Bill wrote:

 I came looking for biofuels and found god?  Notice the little g?
 
 I am walking the way I walk and am just looking for some biofuel 
 action. Just looking for biofuels.  Pretty soon this will divide into 
 camps and the fighting begins.  Never fails.

Not in this forum.  Our discussion means too much to the people who 
frequent this group.  You will notice after being here awhile that 
people like Todd and I can completely disagree on some issue, yet 
remain civil and respectful toward one another.  We can learn about a 
wide range of perspectives in an international forum of this nature, 
some of it directly related to biofuels, some of it more tangential.


 How about some biofuel?

We've been around this block many times, Bill.  The discussion here 
often wanders into the realm of geopolitics and religion, and 
inevitably someone complains about off topic posting.  This may be 
well intended, but I'd like you to broaden your view a little bit and 
understand why this discussion is relevant to biofuels.

My nation, the United States, lacks a comprehensive and cohesive 
energy policy.  What drives American actions in the present 
administration is a pressing need to secure a variety of traditional 
(that is, liquid and gaseous fossil) energy sources so that a single 
problem in some distant part of the world does not hold the American 
economy hostage.  For this reason, we have meddled into the affairs of 
central Asian nations, Africa, South America and Iraq.  (And this is 
the root of our opposition to the Kyoto Accord.)  Therefore, the 
recent discussion in this forum about hyping the terror threat relates 
to biofuels.  Without an enemy upon which to direct our angst, 
Americans might wake up and realize that we need a plan that is more 
sensible and responsible than the market driven ideas we have 
pursued so relentlessly since I've been an adult.

Coupled with this, a blind following of Christian 
dispensationalists demand absolute allegiance to their plan for 
Israeli hegemony in the Middle East.  Using the cloak of religion, 
these people have hijacked many influential churches in North America 
and brainwashed nonthinking Christians (is there such a thing?) into 
supporting Israel at all costs; including the use of American military 
forces to subdue a certain Middle Eastern dictator whose armed forces 
presented no credible threat to the United States.  The recent 
discussion concerning religion relates directly to this problem.  (And 
trust me, mine is a VERY unpopular position to hold within a 
conservative Christian congregation.)

As a devoted Christian, I am deeply troubled by the misuse of my 
faith; particularly when the actions of a supposedly Christian 
president directly contradict the teachings of Jesus Christ.  As an 
American, I am seething at the injustice we are projecting upon 
citizens in other parts of the world.  The root of my nation's problem 
is its insatiable demand for energy, yet formal discussion of this 
issue is happening NOWHERE outside of this forum.

Therefore, any topic related to reducing energy use, including 
religious discussion, is fair game in this forum.  Those have been the 
rules around here for a very long time.  I hope you come to appreciate 
them.




robert luis rabello
The Edge of Justice
Adventure for Your Mind 
http://www.authorhouse.com/BookStore/ItemDetail.aspx?bookid=9782

Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/


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RE: [Biofuel] god problems (see, got rid of titration)

2004-12-28 Thread Mel Riser

Yes this is all true.

And we pay 1/3 of what we SHOULD be paying for fuel.

And yes Halliburton... Or as I like to call it, THE Hallibushcheneyburton 
Corporation is getting rich big time.

Plus the speculation drove up crude prices so all the oil companies are getting 
rich right now as cost of production is still around 18$ per barrel and they 
are selling it at 45?

Texaco's PROFITS were up 300% last quarter. Appears all ENGINEERED to me.

But see you CAN'T run a GIANT military on solar panels. The US generals are 
complicit with this as well, as they use HUGE amounts of energy every day.

So this was a strategic military move to secure future supply and make sure NO 
ONE ELSE switched to the EURO for oil dollars.

Period

mel

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- Original Message - 
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 11:20 AM
Subject: RE: [Biofuel] god problems (see, got rid of titration)

G'day Mel;

snip
If we had put that 250 billion we dumped into Iraq into buying solar panels, 
how much energy and jobs you think that would have produced?
Of course some fat assed soccer moms driving surburbans MIGHT have to pay 5 
dollars per gallon of gasoline.
mel
/snip
Are you seriously suggesting that had not the USA bombed the crap out of a 
sovereign nation that proved to be no threat to the US at all that it would 
have resulted in higher fuel costs at home ?
In fact it is exactly the opposite. Had the US left things well enough alone 
(a first) there would still be oil flowing out of Iraq (under the rip-off 
oil-for-food thing) instead of the zero production that is happening now 
(regardless of what CNN is telling you) and world prices would not have 
taken the roller coaster ride they have since the atrocity began. That said 
however, your point about dumping the remaining vestiges of the US 
economy into war instead of responsible management has had a very negative 
effect. The bilions thrown away incuring the contempt of the world could 
have been much much better utilized insecuring alternatives at home at a 
time when it is most needed.
Ah, but then Halliburton, Carlyle et co woudln't be getting near the high 
level profits that they are, and the folks over at Diebold, the 
manufacturers of the hackable voting machines, wouldn't have gotten that big 
contract poviding machines with which to defraud the election as it wouldn't 
have been encessary to rig it, responsible management being able to win 
the election all on it's own with out cheating. So,after all, it was 
necessary to invade, slaughter the thousands of innocents, polute the air 
and ground for decades to come so that corporate America could ship their 
operations off-shore while continuing to reap on-shore dividends from the 
people most able to provide it, the US government and it's neo-con handlers. 
Had they stuck to slolar panels and alternative solutions they wouldn't NEED 
$5/gal gas, they would be able to run without it.
Besides, Canada supplies more crude to the US that Saudi does. Canada also 
sends over 60% of it's natural gas to the US under NAFTA. The problem is US 
consumption, not availability.
Luc
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From: robert luis rabello [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 12:01 AM
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Subject: Re: [Biofuel] god problems (see, got rid of titration)


Crimson Bill wrote:

 I came looking for biofuels and found god?  Notice the little g?

 I am walking the way I walk and am just looking for some biofuel 
 action. Just looking for biofuels.  Pretty soon this will divide into 
 camps and the fighting begins.  Never fails.

Not in this forum.  Our discussion means too much to the people who frequent 
this group.  You will notice after being here awhile that people like Todd and 
I can completely disagree on some issue, yet remain civil and respectful toward 
one another.  We can learn about a wide range of perspectives in an 
international forum of this nature, some of it directly related to biofuels, 
some of it more tangential.


 How about some biofuel?

We've been around this block many times, Bill.  The discussion here often 
wanders into the realm of geopolitics and religion, and inevitably someone 
complains about off topic posting.  This may be well intended, but I'd like 
you to broaden your view a little bit and understand why this discussion is 
relevant to biofuels.

My nation, the United States, lacks a comprehensive and cohesive energy policy. 
 What drives American actions in the present administration is a pressing need 
to secure a variety of traditional (that is, liquid and gaseous fossil) 
energy sources so that a single problem in some distant part of the world does 
not hold the American economy hostage.  For this reason, we

[Biofuel] Sermon on the mount from the UB

2004-12-28 Thread Mel Riser

P.1572 - ¤1 The so-called Sermon on the Mount is not the gospel of Jesus. It 
does contain much helpful instruction, but it was Jesus' ordination charge to 
the twelve apostles. It was the Master's personal commission to those who were 
to go on preaching the gospel and aspiring to represent him in the world of men 
even as he was so eloquently and perfectly representative of his Father.

P.1572 - ¤2 You are the salt of the earth, salt with a saving savor. But if 
this salt has lost its savor, wherewith shall it be salted? It is henceforth 
good for nothing but to be cast out and trodden under foot of men.
P.1572 - ¤3 In Jesus' time salt was precious. It was even used for money. The 
modern word salary is derived from salt. Salt not only flavors food, but it 
is also a preservative. It makes other things more tasty, and thus it serves by 
being spent.

P.1572 - ¤4 You are the light of the world. A city set on a hill cannot be 
hid. Neither do men light a candle and put it under a bushel, but on a 
candlestick; and it gives light to all who are in the house. Let your light so 
shine before men that they may see your good works and be led to glorify your 
Father who is in heaven.
P.1572 - ¤5 While light dispels darkness, it can also be so blinding as to 
confuse and frustrate. We are admonished to let our light so shine that our 
fellows will be guided into new and godly paths of enhanced living. Our light 
should so shine as not to attract attention to self. Even one's vocation can be 
utilized as an effective reflector for the dissemination of this light of 
life.
P.1572 - ¤6 Strong characters are not derived from not doing wrong but rather 
from actually doing right. Unselfishness is the badge of human greatness. The 
highest levels of self-realization are attained by worship and service. The 
happy and effective person is motivated, not by fear of wrongdoing, but by love 
of right doing.

P.1572 - ¤7 By their fruits you shall know them. Personality is basically 
changeless; that which changes--grows--is the moral character. The major error 
of modern religions is negativism. The tree which bears no fruit is hewn down 
and cast into the fire. Moral worth cannot be derived from mere 
repression--obeying the injunction Thou shalt not. Fear and shame are 
unworthy motivations for religious living. Religion is valid only when it 
reveals the fatherhood of God and enhances the brotherhood of men.

P.1572 - ¤8 An effective philosophy of living is formed by a combination of 
cosmic insight and the total of one's emotional reactions to the social and 
economic environment. Remember: While inherited urges cannot be fundamentally 
modified, emotional responses to such urges can be changed; therefore the moral 
nature can be modified, character can be improved. In the strong character 
emotional responses are integrated and co-ordinated, and thus is produced a 
unified personality. Deficient unification weakens the moral nature and 
engenders unhappiness.
P.1572 - ¤9 Without a worthy goal, life becomes aimless and unprofitable, and 
much unhappiness results. Jesus' discourse at the ordination of the twelve 
constitutes a master philosophy of life. Jesus exhorted his followers to 
exercise experiential faith. He admonished them not to depend on mere 
intellectual assent, credulity, and established authority.
P.1573 - ¤1 Education should be a technique of learning (discovering) the 
better methods of gratifying our natural and inherited urges, and happiness is 
the resulting total of these enhanced techniques of emotional satisfactions. 
Happiness is little dependent on environment, though pleasing surroundings may 
greatly contribute thereto.

P.1573 - ¤2 Every mortal really craves to be a complete person, to be perfect 
even as the Father in heaven is perfect, and such attainment is possible 
because in the last analysis the universe is truly fatherly.
5. FATHERLY AND BROTHERLY LOVE - P.1573
P.1573 - ¤3 From the Sermon on the Mount to the discourse of the Last Supper, 
Jesus taught his followers to manifest fatherly love rather than brotherly 
love. Brotherly love would love your neighbor as you love yourself, and that 
would be adequate fulfillment of the golden rule. But fatherly affection 
would require that you should love your fellow mortals as Jesus loves you.
P.1573 - ¤4 Jesus loves mankind with a dual affection. He lived on earth as a 
twofold personality--human and divine. As the Son of God he loves man with a 
fatherly love--he is man's Creator, his universe Father. As the Son of Man, 
Jesus loves mortals as a brother--he was truly a man among men.
P.1573 - ¤5 Jesus did not expect his followers to achieve an impossible 
manifestation of brotherly love, but he did expect them to so strive to be like 
God--to be perfect even as the Father in heaven is perfect--that they could 
begin to look upon man as God looks upon his creatures and therefore could 
begin to love men as God loves them--to show forth the 

RE: [Biofuel] was Titration problems, now loony Mooney.

2004-12-28 Thread Mel Riser

Just goes to show you in this wacked out country EVERYTHING is for sale.

Even the messiahship.

:)

Is it now phunny Money? Mooney looney?

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RE: [Biofuel] was Titration problems, Now the ID Card and how lost Modern Christianity really is.

2004-12-28 Thread Mel Riser

P.2086 - ¤6 Christianity suffers under a great handicap because it has become 
identified in the minds of all the world as a part of the social system, the 
industrial life, and the moral standards of Western civilization; and thus has 
Christianity unwittingly seemed to sponsor a society which staggers under the 
guilt of tolerating science without idealism, politics without principles, 
wealth without work, pleasure without restraint, knowledge without character, 
power without conscience, and industry without morality. 

 Your Papers Please 


Tyranny takes another giant step forward. The Gestapo is gaining power. This 
isn't about defending Americans against terrorism, it's about total control and 
tyranny over the American people. It is apparent, to those Americans that 
actually give a damn, that the enemy of the Federal Government is not Islamic 
terrorists, but the American people. The war on terror is a war on the American 
people. It's not Osama that wants to take your freedom (he couldn't in a 
million years), it's Washington DC. And the supposed conservative Republicans 
(AKA Communists in sheep's clothing) are leading the way. Meanwhile, they are 
shipping our military out of the country as they bring in an invasion of 
illegal foreigners. 

This is 1930's Germany folks. And the only power that could stand in the way of 
this tyranny, the CHRISTIANS, are too busy licking the boots of their real god, 
GW BUSH. 


 December 9, 2004 


Your Papers Please 


US adopts National ID: Homeland Security Now In charge of Regulations for all 
US States Drivers Licenses and Birth Certificates 


By: Jonathan Wheeler 


In a chilling act more reminiscent of the now defunct Soviet Union or the Nazi 
regime of Adolph Hitler, the United States Congress passed legislation 
yesterday that requires the States to surrender their regulatory rights over 
driver's licenses and birth certificates to The Department of Homeland 
Security. 


The massive US Intelligence Reform Bill weighed in at over 3,000 pages and 
though unread by individual Members of either the House or Senate nevertheless 
passed all of the legislative hurdles needed in order to become law. 


President Bush lobbied hard for these provisions, only objecting when Senator 
Sensenbrenner attempted to require these same provisions for illegal aliens but 
which the President opposed. This provision was dropped from the final bill. 


Beginning in 2005, the Department of Homeland Security will issue new 
uniformity regulations to the States requiring that all Drivers Licenses and 
Birth Certificates meet minimal Federal Standards with regard to US citizen 
information, including biometric security provisions. 


Added to currently existing Federal Laws and Supreme Court rulings American 
citizens when born will be issued a Social Security Number that will be 
included on their Birth Certificates, along with DNA biometric markers. All 
birth certificates will also be registered in a Federal Government database 
maintained by the Department of Homeland Security. No child will be allowed 
enrollment to schools or be entitled to either State of Federal Government 
benefits programs without first presenting a certified Homeland Security 
registered Birth Certificate. 


Drivers Licenses will also contain DNA biometric markers and include the 
holders Social Security Number and be required for receiving and applying for 
all State and Federal benefits programs. Previous Supreme Court rulings have 
also upheld State and Federal Law Enforcement authorities right to request 
Identification from any American citizen, for any reason and at any time as not 
being violations of their, the citizens, constitutionally protected rights. 


Major Banks and credit card companies have applauded the adoption of a National 
ID system as being important to counter fraud and increasing instances of 
identity theft. National ID cards with biometric markers will eliminate them 
from having to issue Credit and Debit cards, which for the first time in US 
history have surpassed the usage of checks and cash. Utilizing The Department 
of Homeland Securities centralized federal database, Banks and credit card 
companies will only require the presentation of a citizens Driver's License to 
make purchases as all of the persons financial information, including credit 
and cash balances, will already be known in 'real time'. (The combining of 
Homeland Security and Banking databases on citizen's balances and purchases, 
along with their past and present purchasing information, has been allowed 
under previous Federal Laws including the Patriot Act.) 


Also included in this bill is a law to require The Department of Homeland 
Security to establish a separate ID system for citizens to use prior to 
boarding airplanes, and which is eerily reminiscent of the Soviet and Nazi 
regimes dreaded Internal Passport. 


Never before in our history have the words of 

RE: [Biofuel] to church or to garage

2004-12-27 Thread Mel Riser

And if you believe and dont go to church? That makes you a cosmic citizen?

And what of the people who dont believe let alone bear fruit yet go to 
church. Does that make them saved

So if you don't fellowship with the mechanics, but repair your own car, does 
that make you saved?

And what of all that do none of the above?

And dont forget the ones that go to temple and mosque's. they are a fellowship 
of believers as well. But not mechanics as their brand of car is out of 
favor with the garage that you attend?

Does that mean their car wont get to heaven?

mel

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If going to church makes a person a Christian, does going to a garage 
make a
person a car?

No, going to church makes one part of a fellowship of believers, and going to a 
garage makes one part of a fellowship of mechanics.

Mikem

Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2004 21:14:02 -0500
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So.,

If going to church makes a person a Christian, does going to a garage make a 
person a car?


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hey legal eagle,
 thanks for all the info you have been giving me, taking the time to 
respond, Its  greatly appreciated. I hope we will be talking again, but for 
now its off to church to celebrate the birth of my savior.
 I hope you have a 
wonderful Christmas
 
  Dan



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RE: [Biofuel] Windows warning

2004-12-27 Thread Mel Riser

Just because it has a key doesnt mean they can connect to your computer.

What port do the connect on?

Maybe they could decrypt something if they can get access to your box. But if 
the NSA takes physical possession of your computer, it's a LITTLE TOO LATE to 
wonder whether they can decrypt or read your files.

As for accessing you machine over the net, it depends on what type of firewall 
you use and how you connect to the internet.

I personally now run FireFox as I think its a better browser and not as eat up 
with security issues like Internet Exploder.

I WAS the Chief Security and Technology Officer for a very large Internet Bank 
for 3 years and dealt with the OCC and the FDIC and the Secret Service all the 
time on security issues related to banking.

http://www.fxfn.com

http://www.webcrayon.com/resumes/melriser.html



So I know a LOT about operating systems and keys and encryption.

mel


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Sent: Monday, December 27, 2004 2:02 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Biofuel] Windows warning


Hi All,
  Hmmm, didn't think I'd be posting twice in one session but this one 
could be an important issue for some, especially if you operate on Windows. 
Read on. Regards, Bob.

Subject: How NSA access was built into Windows
Date: Sunday, 26 December 2004 5:34 pm


  11/18/2002 Entry: NSA BACKDOOR IN EVERY
MICROSOFT OPERATING SYSTEM

How NSA access was built into Windows

Duncan Campbell

SLIP-UP REVEALS SUBERVERSION OF WINDOWS BY NSA.

A careless mistake by Microsoft programmers has revealed that special access 
codes prepared by the US National Security Agency have been secretly built into 
Windows. The NSA access system is built into every version of the Windows 
operating system now in use, except early releases of Windows 95 (and its 
predecessors). The discovery comes close on the heels of the revelations 
earlier this year that another US software giant, Lotus, had built an NSA help 
information trapdoor into its Notes system, and that security functions on 
other software systems had been deliberately crippled.

The first discovery of the new NSA access system was made two years ago by 
British researcher Dr Nicko van Someren. But it was only a few weeks ago when a 
second researcher rediscovered the access system. With it, he found the 
evidence linking it to NSA. Computer security specialists have been aware for 
two years that unusual features are contained inside a standard Windows 
software driver used for security and encryption functions. The driver, 
called ADVAPI.DLL, enables and controls a range of security functions. If you 
use Windows, you will find it in the C:\Windows\system directory of your 
computer.

ADVAPI.DLL works closely with Microsoft Internet Explorer, but will only run 
crypographic functions that the US governments allows Microsoft to export. That 
information is bad enough news, from a European point of view. Now, it turns 
out that ADVAPI will run special programmes inserted and controlled by NSA. As 
yet, no-one knows what these programmes are, or what they do.

Dr Nicko van Someren reported at last year's Crypto 98 conference that he had 
disassembled the ADVADPI driver. He found it contained two different keys. One 
was used by Microsoft to control the cryptographic functions enabled in 
Windows, in compliance with US export regulations. But the reason for building 
in a second key, or who owned it, remained a mystery.

A second key

Two weeks ago, a US security company came up with conclusive evidence that the 
second key belongs to NSA. Like Dr van Someren, Andrew Fernandez, chief 
scientist with Cryptonym of Morrisville, North Carolina, had been probing the 
presence and significance of the two keys. Then he checked the latest Service 
Pack release for Windows NT4, Service Pack 5. He found that Microsoft's 
developers had failed to remove or strip the debugging symbols used to test 
this software before they released it. Inside the code were the labels for the 
two keys. One was called KEY. The other was called NSAKEY. Fernandes 
reported his re-discovery of the two CAPI keys, and their secret meaning, to 
Advances in Cryptology, Crypto'99 conference held in Santa Barbara. According 
to those present at the conference, Windows developers attending the conference 
did not deny that the NSA key was built into their software. But they refused 
to talk about what the key did, or why it had been put there without users' 
knowledge.

A third key?!

But according to two witnesses attending the conference, even Microsoft's top 
crypto programmers were astonished to learn that the version of ADVAPI.DLL 
shipping with Windows 2000 contains not two, but three keys. Brian LaMachia, 
head of CAPI development at Microsoft was stunned to learn of these 
discoveries, by outsiders. The latest discovery by Dr van Someren is based on 
advanced search methods which test and 

RE: [Biofuel] Windows warning

2004-12-27 Thread Mel Riser

that was a smart move by Bill. The Redhat distro is OK but the SUSE distro has 
passed them.
 
If you are wanting security, the BSD varients are the most secure.
 
but who wants to surf and do word processing on a server platform?
 
winXP is a mighty fine OS as is Mac OS10.3. I run all three here, as each has 
it's own specialty
 
kinda like hammers, and I own quite a few different ones of thos as well.
 
and shovels have about 6 varients of those.
 
the real problem is OS freaks want to turn their OS into a religion.
 
when the techno nerds quit hatin' the devil and lovin' god, they started 
worshippin' linus and hating Bill.
 
mel

-Original Message- 
From: Kirk McLoren [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Mon 12/27/2004 3:49 PM 
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Cc: 
Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Windows warning



The information carried enough credibility that the
German government abandoned Microsoft. The replacement
OS, Linux, also turned out to be cheaper to support.

Doesn't sound too good for Mickeysoft.

I understand Bill Gates solution was to purchase more
than 50% of Red Hat, a major distribution of Linux.

Kirk



--- DHAJOGLO [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 This is old news:


http://www.cnn.com/TECH/computing/9909/03/windows.nsa.02/

http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=001MhZ

 As Mel stated... this information means nothing.  It
 was probably an anti-microsoft ploy back in 99 and
 again in 2002.


 Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Windows warning
 
 Just because it has a key doesn't mean they can
 connect to your computer.
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: bmolloy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Monday, December 27, 2004 2:02 AM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: [Biofuel] Windows warning
 
 
 Hi All,
   Hmmm, didn't think I'd be posting twice
 in one session but 
   11/18/2002 Entry: NSA BACKDOOR IN
 EVERY
 MICROSOFT OPERATING SYSTEM
 
 How NSA access was built into Windows
 
 Duncan Campbell
 
 SLIP-UP REVEALS SUBERVERSION OF WINDOWS BY NSA.



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RE: [Biofuel] Titration problems

2004-12-26 Thread Mel Riser

ONLY if they belive the mechanic will Savior them and by washing the
the sins of the car in blood of the engine, the car will take them to
heavan.

Most folk are as brainwashed as THEY WANT TO BE!!

Merry christmas

mel

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So.,

If going to church makes a person a Christian, does going to a garage
make a 
person a car?


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Sent: Friday, December 24, 2004 4:54 PM
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hey legal eagle,
 thanks for all the info you have been giving me, taking the time to

respond, Its  greatly appreciated. I hope we will be talking again, but
for 
now its off to church to celebrate the birth of my savior.
 I hope you have a 
wonderful Christmas
 

  Dan
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Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Titration problems


hey Legal Eagle,
how warm should the bath be?

I run warm water in a saucepan and have the titration jar set in that.
Never checked the actual temperature though. 75F seems more than enough.

titration takes about 2 minutes and the mixtures is 75 degrees F. when 
I start and stays there thru the duration. I use the end of the probe 
to keep it stirred up.

That little do-hickey is sensitive and should not be jostled around too
much, have a meal at the local Chinese restaurant and see if you can't
take a chopstick home :-). That way the probe can stay stable while you
mix up the oil/iso.


I do use a battery operated ph meter. I went and got some grease today 
from a different restaurant and it titrated to 1.2. I did it twice and 
the results were the same. The grease looked like it was almost new. Is

1.2 possible or is that just to low.

I titrate the WVO I get at 1.5 and then add that to the base 3.5 for a
total of 5gr/liter or 400gr per batch as I do 80 liter batches.It's
simpler that way for my carboy set-up.

I just bought the ph meter and calibrated it 2 days ago. How often do 
you calibrate yours.

I calibrate each time I use it. At two points, 7 and 10. Actually the
calibration is the longest part of the operation for me.

I think there was just something funny about the grease I was trying to

do yesterday.

Why ? It sounds like good stuff to me. The WVO I get from our local
Chinese restaurant is actually vegetable shortening so yours may be that
also. Ask. Luc

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RE: [Biofuel] Nice ss tanks in Mississippi.

2004-12-24 Thread Mel Riser

Wow that is really close to me.

I will be bidding for sure

mel

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Subject: [Biofuel] Nice ss tanks in Mississippi.


Hi All ;

Check out the 1,000 gal spotless stainless tank with
large slow pneumatic agitator, all for $10!!! 

http://www.henrybutcher.com/en/speciallist.asp?Filter=OnlineAuctionSaleID=4250SaleCompanyID=19CategoryName=Food+%26+BeverageDescription=Campbell+Soup+CompanyTreeID=1886OfferListType=0CategorySplit=0ShowLotNumbers=0

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RE: [Biofuel] Injector pump trouble was 6.2 Diesel question

2004-12-24 Thread Mel Riser

I never really had issues until I went to B100. then the trouble started. It's 
all good now, but the B100 was very CLEAN.

So unless you are going B100 you might not have any problems. Depending on how 
old the truck is.

Mine is a 1983 and all the rubber in the system has been replaced EXCEPT the 
ORINGS in the injection pump. Not sure when that is going to be an issue, but 
will cross the bridge when it comes.

I had to be towed back to the house TWICE in a week and then said I better do 
something about it as the tow charges were 75 each time.

But now it is smooth sailing.

I am about to convert to a greasel kit after the first of the year and I MAY 
still see some things, with the injection pump.

Let you know what and when

mel
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does anyone think that it would be a good idea to pressure wash the 
inside of my tank right before I do the transition to B100? I am not 
really prepared to be changing filters by the side of the road for the 
first few months, even if I am expecting it. I was thinking that I could 
disconnect the fuel lines and blast the gunk out of it then dry with hot 
air.

John

Mel Riser wrote:
 I had a problem with my fuel pump and replaced the lift pump on the 
 motor AND installed an electric pump.
 
 there is a second fuel filter BEHIND the manifold that was CLOGGIN on 
 my 6.2 right after I started running BioDiesel in the truck.
 
 had to replace SEVERAL of those pain in the @$$ filters before I 
 cleaned the lines and tank of dino gunk.
 
 if it is not squirting fuel out the injectors, then the rotor may be 
 trashed and the O -rings shot or cloggin stuff.
 
 you can get a new pump for about 600 or a used on for 300.
 
 I heard there is a company here in texas doing a biodiesel o ring 
 rebuild of the roosa massy pump but I dont know their name.
 
 anyone know of a rebuild company specializing in viton or santoprene o 
 rings?
 
 mel
 
 
 -Original Message-
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 Sent: Wed 12/22/2004 6:32 PM
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 Cc:   
 Subject:  [Biofuel] Injector pump trouble was 6.2 Diesel question
 Hi to all the members of the group.
 
 I have a trouble with my fuel injector pump. It doesn't seem to get 
 fuel to the injectors. I see no problems with the fuel line in and out 
 the injector pump. What could be the problem? Should I bring it to a 
 shop for calibration? I hope you can help me out.
 
 Many thanks,
 Christopher
 
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 If you find the answer to the GMC 6.2 injector pump,  let me know 
 since I
 like to use biodiesel on a military truck.  Thanks
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RE: [Biofuel] Nice ss tanks in Mississippi.

2004-12-24 Thread Mel Riser

Yes this would be good for my local BioDiesel supplier.

Austin Biofuels. Not sure about using it for me, but you never know.

The loading charge is 150 dollars. I am going to register to bid though.

mel

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Hi Mel and Luc ,

Alright!!  Go for it!!  Santa has arrived.  Happy 
Holidays!!!

Peter G.
Thailand

--- Legal Eagle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Nice to know that someone as far away as Thailand
 can affect you locally eh?
 It's a nice piece of equipment for sure. Hope it
 works out for you.
 Luc
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 Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2004 11:08 PM
 Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Nice ss tanks in Mississippi.
 
 
 Wow that is really close to me.
 
 I will be bidding for sure
 
 mel
 
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 Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2004 8:46 PM
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 Subject: [Biofuel] Nice ss tanks in Mississippi.
 
 
 Hi All ;
 
 Check out the 1,000 gal spotless stainless tank with
 large slow pneumatic agitator, all for $10!!!
 

http://www.henrybutcher.com/en/speciallist.asp?Filter=OnlineAuctionSaleID=4250SaleCompanyID=19CategoryName=Food+%26+BeverageDescription=Campbell+Soup+CompanyTreeID=1886OfferListType=0CategorySplit=0ShowLotNumbers=0
 
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RE: [Biofuel] Injector pump trouble was 6.2 Diesel question

2004-12-22 Thread Mel Riser

I had a problem with my fuel pump and replaced the lift pump on the motor AND 
installed an electric pump.

there is a second fuel filter BEHIND the manifold that was CLOGGIN on my 6.2 
right after I started running BioDiesel in the truck.

had to replace SEVERAL of those pain in the @$$ filters before I cleaned the 
lines and tank of dino gunk.

if it is not squirting fuel out the injectors, then the rotor may be trashed 
and the O -rings shot or cloggin stuff.

you can get a new pump for about 600 or a used on for 300.

I heard there is a company here in texas doing a biodiesel o ring rebuild of 
the roosa massy pump but I dont know their name.

anyone know of a rebuild company specializing in viton or santoprene o rings?

mel


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Sent:   Wed 12/22/2004 6:32 PM
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Cc: 
Subject:[Biofuel] Injector pump trouble was 6.2 Diesel question
Hi to all the members of the group.

I have a trouble with my fuel injector pump. It doesn't seem to get fuel to
the injectors. I see no problems with the fuel line in and out the injector
pump. What could be the problem? Should I bring it to a shop for
calibration? I hope you can help me out.

Many thanks,
Christopher

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Hi

If you find the answer to the GMC 6.2 injector pump,  let me know since I 
like to use biodiesel on a military truck.  Thanks
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RE: [Biofuel] I need filters

2004-12-22 Thread Mel Riser

A good source for 1 micron ceramic water filters is Aquatic Eco Systems in 
Apopka Florida

www.aquaticeco.com

they also have 5 10 and 20 micron filters. if you get the right housing, they 
can take a huge amount of pressure, though I guess most pumps only put out 
about 10 psi.

I have bought a lot of stuff from these folks and it is WORTH getting a catalog.

they sell really good poly tanks as well.

mel

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Hello All,

We are using normal water filter housings and filter elements. They are easy to 
connect in line as they have standard threds (1 pipe connection). The filter 
element you find down to 5 microns / and they are easy to change and very 
cheap. We were using 65 micron washable element and then a 10 micron before 
fuling up. But now we only filter with one 10 micron prior to fuling the cars.

Seasonal Greetings from a - 3¡C calm winter weather Finland.

Tomas
 

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Aihe: Re: [Biofuel] I need filters

Theo,

Final filtration prior to tank filling can be done with a bulk fuel filter, 
the type found on farm and construction fuel oil tanks. They're available in 
ten micron and look like an oil filter. Available at most NAPA outlets in 
the US. Filter comes separate from the filter mount.

The same can be mounted under a hood, presuming you have enough space. It's 
probably the least expensive resolution, at about $7.00 US per filter. The 
plumbing you'd have to concoct. New filters would have to be primed prior to 
mounting, no different than the factory fuel filter.

As for filtering the WVO? Perhaps the least expensive filtration after 
screening and prior to pumping into a reactor is the ten inch restaurant 
cone filters. They're rather inexpensive and come in packs of fifty, or 
cases of five hundred from restaurant supply houses. They actually are a bit 
of overkill for biodiesel production, as all the particulates generally 
settle out in the glyc cocktail.

Todd Swearingen

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From: Theo Chadzichristos [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 9:23 PM
Subject: [Biofuel] I need filters


 Hi all,

 Ive been looking to find a inline pre filter for my diesel benz in which I
 can replace the filter element but have had trouble finding diesel fuel
 filters and was wondering if anyone knows where I can get one. Also I 
 found
 some 100 micron strainers that i plan on getting to pre filter the WVO, 
 does
 anyone have any experience with these? Also does anyone have any special
 filters to do a final filtering of the biodiesel before it goes into the
 tank (like 10 microns or less).

 Thanks,

 Theo Chadzichristos





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RE: [Biofuel] aquatico site...

2004-12-22 Thread Mel Riser

yes they are great folk and really do good customer service.

I am doing some aquaponics now and am curious of the algae feed stock. I have 
down some solar algae ponds and tanks get that way anyway (grin ) if you don't 
clean them. the tilapia eat it and keep up with most of the issues.

you can produce a lot of algae in a very small space if you were just trying to 
grow algae.

what algae has oil in it?

mel

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good stuff
we have been leaning towards doing something with algea for biodiesel as one of 
our feedstocks, this looks like the place...:^)

Philip Okey
Innovative Energy  Solvents LLC
Indianpolis, IN
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On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 02:50:51 -0600, Mel Riser wrote:

*A good source for 1 micron ceramic water filters is Aquatic Eco Systems in 
Apopka Florida
*
*www.aquaticeco.com
*
*they also have 5 10 and 20 micron filters. if you get the right housing, they 
can take a huge amount of pressure, though I guess most pumps only put out 
about 10 psi.
*
*I have bought a lot of stuff from these folks and it is WORTH getting a 
catalog.
*
*they sell really good poly tanks as well.
*
*mel
*
*-Original Message-
*From: Johnsson Tomas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
*Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 1:05 AM
*To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
*Subject: VS: [Biofuel] I need filters
*
*
*Hello All,
*
*We are using normal water filter housings and filter elements. They are easy 
to connect in line as they have standard threds (1 pipe connection). The 
filter element you find down to 5 microns / and they are easy to change and 
very cheap. We were using 65 micron washable element and then a 10 
micron before fuling up. But now we only filter with one 10 micron prior to 
fuling the cars.
*
*Seasonal Greetings from a - 3¡C calm winter weather Finland.
*
*Tomas
* 
*
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*
*Theo,
*
*Final filtration prior to tank filling can be done with a bulk fuel filter, 
*the type found on farm and construction fuel oil tanks. They're available in 
*ten micron and look like an oil filter. Available at most NAPA outlets in 
*the US. Filter comes separate from the filter mount.
*
*The same can be mounted under a hood, presuming you have enough space. It's 
*probably the least expensive resolution, at about $7.00 US per filter. The 
*plumbing you'd have to concoct. New filters would have to be primed prior to 
*mounting, no different than the factory fuel filter.
*
*As for filtering the WVO? Perhaps the least expensive filtration after 
*screening and prior to pumping into a reactor is the ten inch restaurant 
*cone filters. They're rather inexpensive and come in packs of fifty, or 
*cases of five hundred from restaurant supply houses. They actually are a bit 
*of overkill for biodiesel production, as all the particulates generally 
*settle out in the glyc cocktail.
*
*Todd Swearingen
*
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*From: Theo Chadzichristos [EMAIL PROTECTED]
*To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
*Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 9:23 PM
*Subject: [Biofuel] I need filters
*
*
* Hi all,
*
* Ive been looking to find a inline pre filter for my diesel benz in which I
* can replace the filter element but have had trouble finding diesel fuel
* filters and was wondering if anyone knows where I can get one. Also I 
* found
* some 100 micron strainers that i plan on getting to pre filter the WVO, 
* does
* anyone have any experience with these? Also does anyone have any special
* filters to do a final filtering of the biodiesel before it goes into the
* tank (like 10 microns or less).
*
* Thanks,
*
* Theo Chadzichristos
*
*
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[Biofuel] 55 gallon drum of soybean or canola oil

2004-12-20 Thread Mel Riser

Anyone know where to order oil 55 gallons at a time?
 
I would think there would be some place that will sell me oil in 55 gallon 
plastic drums and deliver it to my house by motor freight?
 
People buy and ship industrial chemicals like this all the time. Should be able 
to get a great price. Maybe a large restaurant supply house?
 
any ideas?
 
mel

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[Biofuel] Oil in gasoline or Ethanol

2004-12-20 Thread Mel Riser

Someone had asked about putting BioDiesel in gasoline in small quantities, and 
the links Keith sent and others are practical advice.

I have been thinking a bit about this and it occurs that 2 stroke engines HAVE 
to have their oil in the fuel.

So if you follow the mixture of that, then it can be as high as 25 to 1 on some 
small engines and as lean as 100 to 1 on others.

I currently run my 2 stroke outboard motor on marine oil at 50 to 1.

It would occur them then if you do the same to a 4 stroke it should still run 
just fine on an atomized engine, but not sure on an injected engine. 

If the concentration wasn't too great, it should help the engine and yet still 
be ignitable.

For sure it would add a little more power due to the extra BTU's.

mel

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RE: [Biofuel] More winterizing questions

2004-12-16 Thread Mel Riser

My brother lives in Alaska and they do this.

Wal Mart even sells a winterizing kit up there that has a special film to seal 
the windows.

They do ALL their windows they do not need to open regularly.

mel

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Do you think putting plastic over the windows in ones home helps to keep the 
heat in during the winter?

Wendy Adams
Harrisburg, PA
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RE: [Biofuel] The sweet smell of success

2004-12-15 Thread Mel Riser

I am heading up to Missouri the first week in January to Interview Charles of 
Greasel for my video on SVO conversions.

As well I am picking up the kit and stuff I need to convert my Blazer. Charles 
even mentioned we might even do the conversion right there and he would help 
for being in the video.

As well I am interested in interviewing anyone running SVO now and could do 
some of the interviews by telephone.

Anyone interested in helping?

mel

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Subject: [Biofuel] The sweet smell of success

In the trucker magazine Land Line in the December issue there is an 
article about a Heartland truck driver who runs SVO in his 18 wheeler! 
The magazine is free and I subscribe to it as a part-time owner operator 
hotshot trucker (with my pickup truck).  There is a link to the article 
here:

http://www.landlinemag.com/Archives/2004/Dec04/features/sweet_smell.htm

It's a fun read and really quite interesting to see someone who pulls 
80,000 lbs at 5.5 MPG running 90+% WVO.

Nice exposure too!!!

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RE: [Biofuel] Martin's Job

2004-12-15 Thread Mel Riser

I haven't had any bad issues with Paypal and use them all the time to collect 
money for my Hosting and ISP business, as well as Ebay items.

When you paypal me it goes into my acct, and I then move it to my checking acct.

mel

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i HAVE HAD some bad experiences with paypal and refuse to use them as well.
rbury
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 Not in a hundred years would I consider putting any information, let alone
 my cc on Paypal.
 http://www.paypalwarning.com/WallOfShame/Default.asp is only one such.They
 have a nasty reputation, but befrore I get the but I have been usding
them
 for... let me just say, as Todd has, it isn't broke until it breaks.
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  perhaps paying from a paypal account would be easier and quicker?
 
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  Subject: [Biofuel] Martin's Job
 
 
  Hallo Friends,
 
  I may be out of line here with this idea I have but here it is. Martin
  Klingensmith has volunteered his time and effort to giving this list a
  good  home. More than the time and effort I believe he is spending his
  own money on the physical resources (hardware/software) needed to keep
  this list alive and upgrade it.
 
  If  each  of  us  who  appreciate his efforts would consider sending a
  dollar or two or five (or the foreign equivalent) to him to help him
  defray  his  costs  it  would  not only be a kind gesture but show our
  appreciation  of  his  work in a way which would allow him to continue
  with  his  fine work and make the list even better and more secure and
  efficient.   Anyone  who  was  around  for the last attack on the list
  knows what I mean about being secure.
 
  I  am not sure how Martin would feel about this as I haven't spoken to
  him  about  it.   My  feelings  on  the matter are that this list is a
  little  home for a bunch of good people and that it serves the greater
  good  of  us  all.   I  am  willing to act as the collection point and
  receive  any  contributions  which  anyone would care to make and send
  them  on  to Martin, with his and the lists permission.  Any donations
  could  be  sent  to  Martin  in  care  of me at my address and I would
  forward  them to him unless Martin does not mind giving his address to
  the list and receiving them directly.
 
  What  are  the  lists  thoughts  on  this  those of the list owner and
  administrators and, of course, Martin?
 
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RE: [Biofuel] Cleaning out the tank

2004-12-07 Thread Mel Riser

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it only took two filter clogs and mine is clean as a whistle.
 
the issues I experienced helped me get mine in good shape.
 
This past weekend we used my truck to tow a Bobcat (8000 lbs) and 4000 lbs of 
batteries to my house and through the hills.
 
Whiule I didn;t drive over 55 and most of the time was a 45, the truck did 
outstanding pulling that major load.
 
it was so heavy, the trailer had 3 axles, and i think I got about 7 mpg as my 
foot was deep into the fuel all the time.
 
ran great. I am seeing a little cheese every now and then in the BD. it looks 
like white cheesey looking sediment that i decant off at the end of a barrell
 
so now i am working towards my SVO option.
 
I checked my injector and book and i have a Roosa pump.
 
anyone know of a rebuilder putting in viton or santoprene o rings in a rebuild? 
or do all the kits come that way these days?
 
I have an extra injection pump and want to get my spare ready.
 
mel

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hi all,

I have heard alot of people saying that their filters and 
sediment filter
in their tank clog up due to biodiesel use. Does anyone know if there 
is a
way to clean out the dino gunk other then just letting the biodiesel 
clean
the tank. In the spring im going to start making and using biodiesel 
and i
thought it would be easier and cheaper to just drain and drop the tank 
and
clean it out with some kind of solvent i.e. mineral spirits or gasoline.
Does anyone know if this would work? I figured it would be a good idea
because you could still keep the sediment filter in place. Even with a
prefilter you would save time and some money because the filter elements
would not have to be replaced in addition to not getting stuck on the 
side
of the road from lack of fuel.

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RE: [Biofuel] 6.2 Diesel question

2004-11-29 Thread Mel Riser

I had another problem with the B100 again a few days later. The secondary fuel 
filter keeps clogging and I THINK if may be paraffin but not sure.

Have some RACOR filters and heaters on order and that should fix the issues.

Also planning on putting an electric pump at the tank to push the fuel. Any 
specific brand or will just about any pump work?

mel

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Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 4:23 AM
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They say that the 'distributor' type injection pump
does not do well with SVO. Roosa Master/Stanadyne
pumps are used on all the 6.2 engines that I know of,
and the 6.5 has an updated electronic version of the
pump in its current incarnation. For a while they had
a pure mechanical pump on the first few years of the
6.5, but not any more. But that would have the same
problems.

I haven't tried it myself, but have heard enough
horror stories to be very wary of using SVO on any GM.
If you remove the injection pump from the engine
yourself you're still looking at $400-700 to have it
rebuilt. At least that's what it costs here in the US
- I have no idea what it would be over there. You can
spend a lot of time and energy making biodiesel right
for that kind of money. At least that's the way I see
it.

Good luck
Erik

--- Mats Jansson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi!
 
 Why not SVO with a Roosa Master injector pump? Is it
 used in all Chevrolet
 V8 diesels? I have a «88 Blazer with 6.2 engine and
 are planning to make my
 own biofuel somehow, probebly from own rapeseed. Is
 it the same problems
 with the 6.5 engine? Are they posseble to convert or
 must I go all the way
 and process it to real biofuel?
 
 Thank You all for sharing your knowledge!
 
 Mats Jansson, Sweden
 
 
  FrŒn: robert luis rabello [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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  Mel Riser wrote:
  I have a 1983 Chevy Blazer with a 6.2 engine.
  
  Changed the main fuel filter but when I turn it
 over, nothing comes out of
  the engine side to the injectors
  
  Your idea to start at one end of the system and
 work toward the other
  end is a good one.  Personally, I would start at
 the injector pump and
  work backwards.
  
  
  I am planning on converting it to SVO in the next
 month so I guess I will
  know the fuel system end to end now.
  
  
  Most of the people with experience in this forum
 do NOT recommend SVO
  with a Roosa Master injector pump.
  
  
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RE: [Biofuel] 6.2 Diesel question

2004-11-29 Thread Mel Riser

Not sure which pump my blazer has. 1983 with the pink wire to the solenoid on 
top?

Standyne? My issues are with the filter behind the manifold clogging.

mel

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They say that the 'distributor' type injection pump
does not do well with SVO. Roosa Master/Stanadyne
pumps are used on all the 6.2 engines that I know of,
and the 6.5 has an updated electronic version of the
pump in its current incarnation. For a while they had
a pure mechanical pump on the first few years of the
6.5, but not any more. But that would have the same
problems.

I haven't tried it myself, but have heard enough
horror stories to be very wary of using SVO on any GM.
If you remove the injection pump from the engine
yourself you're still looking at $400-700 to have it
rebuilt. At least that's what it costs here in the US
- I have no idea what it would be over there. You can
spend a lot of time and energy making biodiesel right
for that kind of money. At least that's the way I see
it.

Good luck
Erik

--- Mats Jansson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi!
 
 Why not SVO with a Roosa Master injector pump? Is it
 used in all Chevrolet
 V8 diesels? I have a «88 Blazer with 6.2 engine and
 are planning to make my
 own biofuel somehow, probebly from own rapeseed. Is
 it the same problems
 with the 6.5 engine? Are they posseble to convert or
 must I go all the way
 and process it to real biofuel?
 
 Thank You all for sharing your knowledge!
 
 Mats Jansson, Sweden
 
 
  FrŒn: robert luis rabello [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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  Mel Riser wrote:
  I have a 1983 Chevy Blazer with a 6.2 engine.
  
  Changed the main fuel filter but when I turn it
 over, nothing comes out of
  the engine side to the injectors
  
  Your idea to start at one end of the system and
 work toward the other
  end is a good one.  Personally, I would start at
 the injector pump and
  work backwards.
  
  
  I am planning on converting it to SVO in the next
 month so I guess I will
  know the fuel system end to end now.
  
  
  Most of the people with experience in this forum
 do NOT recommend SVO
  with a Roosa Master injector pump.
  
  
  robert luis rabello
  The Edge of Justice
  Adventure for Your Mind
 

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[Biofuel] Blazer back running

2004-11-20 Thread Mel Riser

OK well I changed all the filters and also put a new fuel pump on it.

I suspect the diaphragm in the pump went bad from the B100 as it has had that 
in it sitting idle for the last two weeks and it appeared to be the original 
pump.

What a nasty pain.

But I now know all the fuel system and what goes where.

The advice I received was very helpful. No in a few weeks when my SVO kit comes 
in I have a better idea of what it will take.

As well I am thinking of rerouting some of the fuel lines and filters to make 
it easier to access and change. As the one on the back of the motor is just too 
dang hard to change quickly.

I think I am going to go with a set of Racor Dual filters mounted on the 
firewall as well as the Racor filter and heater that comes with the greasel kit.

One of the high-pressure steel lines with a flare nut head is stripped and I 
had to use Vice Grips as a flare nut wrench was useless.

So it's time to get the tubing bender and flare tool out and make me some 
really fine stainless lines and reroute them for ease of access.

As we are making a video on the install, I will also video tape the rerouting 
so everyone can see what I did.

Thanks a million.

mel

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RE: [Biofuel] hybrid vehicles

2004-11-19 Thread Mel Riser

Not that I know of, but there is a hybrid boat drive system for Sailboats.

Solomon Technologies uses an electric motor that is driven by a diesel 
generator.

It also charges the batteries when you are sailing by turning the motor and 
generating electricity.

You should see the fuel consumption stats.

It uses HALF the fuel a conventional sailboat with the same power does.

mel

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Is there such a thing as a hybrid diesel vehicle. Everything that I read about 
is of hybrid with internal cumbustion but we all know that diesel cars are much 
more fuel efficient. if we were to combine that with the extra fuel savings of 
a diesel vehicle and we use the biodiesel.-wow Todd Wootton [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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[Biofuel] Texas Declaratin of Energy Independance

2004-11-19 Thread Mel Riser

The Texas Renewable Energy Industries Association http://www.treia.org had it's 
20th annual meeting this past week and we also had the First Texas Renewable 
Energy Congress.

Delegates were asked to draft a Declaration of Energy Independence.

I was a delegate and helped massage some of the language and was also a signer.

I have attached it as a PDF because it's prints out beautifully,

But will also try and post just the words.

mel

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[Biofuel] Text of the PDF

2004-11-19 Thread Mel Riser

Declaration of Sustainability 

 

Presented by the Texas Clean Energy Congress

November 15, 2004 Austin, Texas 

 

The Earth is our home and its environment sustains life. We lament that today 
human society is using resources and creating waste on Earth at a rate that is 
destructive to the health of the planet and all life upon it. Extraction, 
production and consumption of energy and their resulting pollution

constitute a large part of this problem. Renewable energy, energy effi ciency 
and conservation can

solve many problems and are necessary elements for a sustainable future.

Th e First Texas Clean Energy Congress envisions a Texas responsibly powered by 
its sustainable, renewable

energy resource base. Texas shall serve as a model to others in economic 
opportunities, advanced

technology, environmental justice, innovative government and respect for future 
generations.

We can change our current practices in ways that build a sustainable energy 
future and that will create

stronger communities, a healthier environment, and an economy that generates 
opportunity for all.

 

WHEREAS we have a responsibility to current and future generations,

WHEREAS the continued use of nuclear energy and of the limited supply of fossil 
fuels is adversely aff ecting

our climate, environment, health and national security,

WHEREAS current energy production and consumption patterns cause inequitable, 
unjust and disproportionate

adverse impacts especially on communities and people least able to overcome 
them,

WHEREAS the technologies of energy effi ciency and renewable energy are 
accessible and continue to advance,

WHEREAS sustainable energy is one part of a holistic approach that encompasses 
many other strategies

such as green building, recycling, responsible management of materials and 
existing fossil fuel resources,

improved manufacturing processes, design for the environment, and energy effi 
cient transportation,

WHEREAS Texas historically has demonstrated leadership in energy technologies 
and is uniquely positioned

to extend that leadership into development of clean and sustainable technology 
and energy resources,

WHEREAS Texas has the greatest resources in the United States for the 
development of renewable energy

and energy effi ciency which are more than suffi cient to meet our current and 
future needs,

And WHEREAS the natural environment of Texas is inherently good with its own 
value apart from its utility

to people,

BE IT RESOLVED THEREFORE, that this First Texas Clean Energy Congress calls for 
Texas to lead in this

historic time, and for Texas to lead in the transition to sustainable energy as 
we advance humankind.

We affirm that sustainable energy is energy that is reliable, clean and safe, 
and has positive impacts on the

economy, society and the environment.

We affirm that Texas energy production and use should contribute positively to 
the welfare of all creation.

We affirm that Texas should reduce energy and resource consumption through 
conservation and energy

effi ciency.

We affirm that Texas should proactively plan for and provide a robust 
infrastructure to maximize the integration

of sustainable energy.

We affirm that Texas should produce and export clean energy and clean energy 
technologies.

We affi rm that Texas should lead in the creation of a National Clean Energy 
Consortium to research, develop

and deploy cost-eff ective sustainable energy for the electric, industrial, 
building, and transportation

sectors.

We call for Texas to create the appropriate policies, programs and business 
climate to meet the majority of

its total energy needs with sustainable energy by the year 2020.

We call for our leaders to embrace the future of sustainable energy and make 
Texas the leader in sustainable

energy.

We further endorse this Sustainable Energy Bill of Rights for all Texans.

Sustainable Energy

Bill Of Rights 

1 All Texans have the right

to live in a sustainable clean environment today and in the future. 

2 All Texans have the right

to be protected by energy effi ciency codes and educated about energy savings 
options for their homes and businesses.

3 All Texans have the right

to participate in an open public process to determine how energy is produced in 
and for their communities.

4 All Texans have the right to purchase clean renewable energy from their 
electric provider at prices that

are reasonable and just and nondiscriminatory.

5 All Texans have the right

to produce sustainable energy for on-site use. 

6 All Texans who produce renewable energy have the right

to fair compensation for energy sold that refl ects the full value of that 
energy.

7 All Texans have the right

to access a means of transportation that runs on sustainable fuels. 

8 All Texans have the right

to know the environmental impacts of their ways of life, including purchasing 
and energy consumption decisions.

9 All Texans have the right

to enjoy the 

RE: [Biofuel] solar hot water

2004-11-15 Thread Mel Riser

Are you going to make it yourself or buy it?

I just finished setting up some solar heater boxes that have solar panels on 
top. The idea is to let the water take the heat away from the panels underneath 
and give hot water as well as electricity.

Now I just have to finish wiring the solar panels and lift up on the roof.

I can sketch out the design once I am finished with the plumping and wiring.

The boxes are made out of folded metal with insulation inside and sit on a 
frame on the roof.

The heat exchange I salvaged is a strange one... Has a radiator in the top and 
can also take hot air from a stove or other thing to heat the water as well.

mel

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Sent: Monday, November 15, 2004 8:14 AM
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Subject: [Biofuel] solar hot water


Greetings,

Well I had planned on working on my farm first, then doing my biofuels 
next.  First I have an argument with the power company and now, my hot 
water heater died.  Does anyone have a favorite solar hot water site?  The 
one I really liked a webconx is gone.

Bright Blessings,
Kim

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RE: [Biofuel] Nissan SD33 Diesel

2004-11-13 Thread Mel Riser

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Put some regular  diesel in there to dilute the B100, as well, i have used 
Marvel Mystery Oil as a diesel cleaner and top cylinder lubricant, to clean the 
system use twice the dilution on the can.
 
a bottle treats about 20 gallons of diesel.
 
might save some serious work.
 
start with a good mixture in the filter when you change it.
 
mel

 
 
 
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Hiya everyone,

I'm a new biodieseler, and have an SD33 Nissan patrol MQ, I have run 
50/50 biodiesel from my own processor for the last 3000km, with no problems. 
Recently upped the anty to B100, and the filters clogged, motor starved, and 
came to a grinding halt.

I have changed the filters, bled the pump, and within 50km the inline 
filter was completely clogged again. What advice do you have? Do I just persist 
and change filters until the problem clears? Or is there something more I can 
do?

Thanks
Chris Kelly
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RE: [Biofuel] Nuclear vs coal

2004-11-12 Thread Mel Riser

and all we had to do was make special suncatchers, flat pieces of silicon the 
most abundant mineral on the planet, which over time became all the shade 
structures for the plant nurseries.
 
as more and more these roofs were applied and civilization grew, the people 
became energy independant and no longer needed global energy infrustructure.
 
soon all covers that gained sunlight all day long became energy absorbtion 
coverings.
 
and wars to support the oil and transportation systems became no more.
 
and the new eden was built and a fathers temple created
 
mel

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Wouldn't it be great if somehow we had a huge nuclear reactor capable of
producing far more energy than we could ever consume?! And wouldn't it 
be
amazing if that reactor was at a safe distance from us all, yet it 
somehow
transmitted its power output to us 24 hours a day? Wow! that would be 
handy
now wouldn't it!

Sorry guys, had to do it.  :)
-Rob


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RE: Bible, Koran Torah Thumping, not to mention other general sheeple tricks was Re: [Biofuel] aboutGod

2004-11-11 Thread Mel Riser

Like Gustl said... Whether you take it as literal truth, fiction or just a nice 
book, the truths contained are real in as much as they MOTIVATE you to bring 
will to power.

It is not cult or ridden with church dogma... At least not yet.

Yes there have been schisms and off shoots.

The real appeal is does it work for YOU. If so then have some faith and enjoy 
the sublime relationship with the god that dwells within.

If not reject and seek your own truth.

However before you reject it from a few sentences, read some chapters and then 
if it still does not sit truthfully within you reject the message.

I personally find it to be the most refreshing take on religion, man and our 
situation of anything I have read on this planet in 45 years of time.

Just as I like the Bahaii faith and have been studying that, the UB has 
something for everyone.

If you mind is big enough, tackle the first section and if YOU REALLY read and 
UNDERSTAND it you have a greater mind than I. As the first section is the 
deepest, most intense section on cosmic divinity and the nature of the universe.

Is it true?

I dunno, is ANYTHING you read true? Especially a religious document? What 
counts is does it give you will to power that leads to action.

Of course a total rejection of all things religious based on proof can never 
be proved.

What came first? Chicken, egg or rooster?

Man, god or the mind of god?

mel


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What? You offer up another textbook of human worksmanship as evidence of 
the way, the truth and the lite (life or whatever)?

So when did this 10th planet hop onto the scene? Is it before or after 
Pluto? Looking from the front or the back?

And by the way, which way is upside down in the cosmos?

Frankly, about the only sane religious revelation there could possibly be 
is to acknowledge that all the human generated aspects of them (which is 
right at 100.000%) are absolutely nuts and lend to the inevitable 
destruction that they all rail against.

Phooey on them all. A person can pretty well sit on the back porch anytime 
of day or night with a cup of tea and a like minded mate and figure what 
reality is and how nonsense threatens to destroy it all.

And certainly one doesn't need a new age standard to point the way anymore 
than the old standards.

Todd Swearingen

Religion is what keeps the poor from killing the rich.

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P.597 - ¤3 Even on normal evolutionary worlds the realization of the 
world-wide brotherhood of man is not an easy accomplishment. On a confused 
and disordered planet like Urantia such an achievement requires a much 
longer time and necessitates far greater effort. Unaided social evolution 
can hardly achieve such happy results on a spiritually isolated sphere. 
Religious revelation is essential to the realization of brotherhood on 
Urantia. While Jesus has shown the way to the immediate attainment of 
spiritual brotherhood, the realization of social brotherhood on your world 
depends much on the achievement of the following personal transformations 
and planetary adjustments:

The Urantia book EXPLICITLY tells us we evolved, give us the timelines and 
debunks much of the ahem... Mythology of the Judeo-Christian dogma

mel

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Amazingly blind and foolish, humans are.

Cobb County Georgia School Board puts stickers on their biology books stating 
that evolution is only a theory, all at the behest of a few screaming meamies, 
and two thousand petition signers.

They're rationale? God is real but evolution is unproven.

Well now..., one must ask the question: If sufficient proof of evolution is 
requisite, shouldn't the existance of God, gods or goddesses be held to the 
same standard? Would someone please show me the irrefutable proof that God 
exists?

Now, now. You can't rely upon semi-contemporary interpretations of written 
words from thousands of years ago. That's hearsay and second hand at best. That 
would be no different than anyone quoting from Darwin's Origin of the 
Species. Just because someone wrote it doesn't make it fact anymore than just 
declaring it.

What is required is first hand knowledge that is repeatable and provable, given 
the correct set of circumstances of course.

So given enough time (millenia or just a few biologic cycles), it's rather

RE: Bible, Koran Torah Thumping, not to mention other general sheeple tricks was Re: [Biofuel] aboutGod

2004-11-11 Thread Mel Riser

I LOVE bananas...

seriously though I used to think exectly the same way as you.

and it's your freewill choice to do that.

It's your choice to do and be ANYTHING you want to do.

I'm just GLAD you are in the cult of Permaculture and Renewable energy.

So with all that I am going to try and bring the focus back to BioDiesel.

mel

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 However before you reject it from a few sentences, read
 some chapters and then if it still does not sit truthfully within
 you reject the message

Nah, nah, nah, nah

Why in the world would I want to subject myself to yet another evening of 
doublespeak, long-winded sentences and enough switchbacks of convoluted 
thought in every paragraph to turn anyone into butter? Forget running around 
a mulberry bush.

But if that's what keeps you from going postal, more power to you - 
higher, lower or indifferent.

My truth is that the last thing I (and probably almost the entire rest of 
the world) need is another brain trust telling them what they need or should 
want to think.

As for motivation? Bringing will to power? What are we talking here? 
Suzanne Summers, Thy Master and a metaphysical meditation between 
repetitions with the temptation of a double-fudge brownie within arm's 
reach?

Schisms and off shoots... Yup. More stupid human tricks. Should have bet 
money on that one.

The god that dwells within... You must mean that one that nobody seems to 
be able to offer any proof of other than goose pimples with the passing of 
an occasional thought. Seems to make a whole lot more sense to enjoy the 
experience for what it is rather than fouling it up and distorting it by 
attempting to ascribe it to something deified which none of us know for sure 
exists. On the other side of the coin is the foolishness of ascribing it to 
the wonderfulness of self. All a bit of puffery that.

Frankly Mel? If it's communion with this theoretical Dog.,  I mean God 
that I want, I think I'll conduct it via a slice of hot apple pie and a pint 
of homemade ice cream, or whilst sticking my nose in a lilac bush and 
marveling (or cursing) when it gets bit by what buzzes, or when bundled up 
and watching Saturn rocket debris fall back to Earth on a moonless winter's 
night. certainly not crawling  up with yet another human 
concocted script of what's supposed to be what and how it's all supposed to 
be interpreted and coped with.

Bananas. Pure, unadulterated bananas.

Todd Swearingen

- Original Message - 
From: Mel Riser [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 11:08 PM
Subject: RE: Bible, Koran  Torah Thumping,not to mention other general 
sheeple tricks was Re: [Biofuel] aboutGod


Like Gustl said... Whether you take it as literal truth, fiction or just a 
nice book, the truths contained are real in as much as they MOTIVATE you to 
bring will to power.

It is not cult or ridden with church dogma... At least not yet.

Yes there have been schisms and off shoots.

The real appeal is does it work for YOU. If so then have some faith and 
enjoy the sublime relationship with the god that dwells within.

If not reject and seek your own truth.

However before you reject it from a few sentences, read some chapters and 
then if it still does not sit truthfully within you reject the message.

I personally find it to be the most refreshing take on religion, man and our 
situation of anything I have read on this planet in 45 years of time.

Just as I like the Bahaii faith and have been studying that, the UB has 
something for everyone.

If you mind is big enough, tackle the first section and if YOU REALLY read 
and UNDERSTAND it you have a greater mind than I. As the first section is 
the deepest, most intense section on cosmic divinity and the nature of the 
universe.

Is it true?

I dunno, is ANYTHING you read true? Especially a religious document? What 
counts is does it give you will to power that leads to action.

Of course a total rejection of all things religious based on proof can 
never be proved.

What came first? Chicken, egg or rooster?

Man, god or the mind of god?

mel


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What? You offer up another textbook of human worksmanship as evidence of
the way, the truth and the lite (life or whatever)?

So when did this 10th planet hop onto the scene? Is it before or after
Pluto? Looking from the front or the back?

And by the way, which way is upside down in the cosmos?

Frankly, about the only sane religious revelation there could possibly

[Biofuel] Curious

2004-11-11 Thread Mel Riser

Came to me... Got a chuckle and passed along


Only in America...


Only in America...do drugstores make the sick walk all the way to the 
back of the store to get their prescriptions while healthy people can 
buy cigarettes at the front. 

Only in America...do people order double cheeseburgers, large fries, 
and a diet Coke. 

Only in America...do banks leave both doors open and then chain the 
pens to the counters. 

Only in America...do we leave cars worth thousands of dollars in the 
driveway and put our useless junk in the garage. 

Only in America...do we buy hot dogs in packages of ten and buns in 
packages of eight. 

Only in America...do we use the word 'politics' to describe the 
process so well: 'Poli' in Latin meaning 'many' and 'tics' 
meaning 'bloodsucking creatures'. 

Only in America...do they have drive-up ATM machines with Braille 
lettering. 



EVER WONDER 


Why the sun lightens our hair, but darkens our skin? 

Why women can't put on mascara with their mouth closed? 

Why is abbreviated such a long word? 

Why is it that doctors call what they do practice? 

Why is lemon juice made with artificial flavor, and dishwashing 
liquid made with real lemons? 

Why is the man who invests all your money called a broker? 

Why is the time of day with the slowest traffic called rush hour? 

Why didn't Noah swat those two mosquitoes? 

Why do they sterilize the needle for lethal injections? 

You know that indestructible black box that is used on airplanes? Why 
don't they make the whole plane out of that stuff?! 

Why don't sheep shrink when it rains? 

Why are they called apartments when they are all stuck together? 

If con is the opposite of pro, is Congress the opposite of progress? 

If flying is so safe, why do they call the airport the terminal? 



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RE: [Biofuel] He talks to God - warning - more Christian content.

2004-11-10 Thread Mel Riser
 of meditation.  A
person embracing all religions won't be prepared to
enter the test.  Let's hope I'm wrong about all this.

List participants of different faiths may not
understand or agree with my statements (very sorry
about that).  Some Christian list participant will be
able to listen and understand.

Peace!!

Best Regards,

Peter G.
Thailand



--- Mel Riser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Oh Peggy it WAS marvelous here in Austin tonight.
 
 I too was outside looking at the colors and how the
 pink lit up the whole sky and the clouds.
 
 The point is here that NO ONE has a monopoly on God
 and it's different for everyone.
 
 I personally read the Urantia book and like the
 Bahaii faith, as it embraces all religions.
 
 But what are learned and cosmic conscious citizens
 of the universe supposed to do with such
 backwardness and dogmatism?
 
 Maybe we just have to keep teaching. Not so sure at
 this point.
 
 One of my favorite ways to counter some of the dogma
 and I'm right and they are wrong crowd is to ask
 them some simple questions.
 
 1 If my grandfather stole a car in 1890 before they
 titled them and anyone knew what it was and hid it
 in the barn, and I take it out 110 years later, is
 it still a stolen car? Most folks nod and say why
 yes it is.
 
 Then I ask them...If my great -great grandfather
 stole some folks land, murdered a bunch of the land
 owners would it still be stolen land? And murder?
 Even if they didnt have titles to the land. They
 of course say yes.
 
 Then I remind them that is exactly what we did here
 in this country to the natives and what the imperial
 powers did in EVERY country they civilized
 
 And they say
 
 well that's different and I ask how
 
 And they stammer and stutter and cant really
 answer.
 
 And the same today. If a Govt came into a country,
 helped with a coup de etat and installed their own
 puppet ruler and then proceeded to allow THEIR
 corporations to pillage and loot the country for
 their own counties benefit? Is it SILL A STOLEN CAR?
 
 Mel
 
 Who wishes he did not have to participate in the
 criminal enterprises of his country but he IS
 LOOKING for ALTERNATIVE
 
 :(
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Peggy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2004 6:19 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: RE: [Biofuel] He talks to God
 
 
 Hello Mel,
 
 Tonight my husband and I were marveling at the
 sunset and how appreciation, joy, and good will are
 the most important things to bring into our lives to
 amplify the same.  Well, then I read your message.
 Golly gee, is it time for a good book burning or
 will that amply the same?
 
 Peggy
 
 Subject: He talks to God
 
 I figgered' since he talks to God and Jesus so much
 he might help me in my study of the Bible.
 
 Wonder whut kinda answer's I'll get back?
 
 mel
 
 Dear President Bush,
 
 Thank you for doing so much to educate people
 regarding God's Law. I have learned a great deal
 from you and understand why you would propose and
 support a constitutional amendment banning same sex
 marriage. As you said in the eyes of God marriage
 is based between a man a woman. I try to share that knowledge with as 
 many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual 
 lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18: 22
 clearly states it to be an abomination. . . End of
 debate.
 
 I do need some advice from you, however, regarding
 some other elements of God's Laws and how to follow
 them.
 
 1. Leviticus 25: 44 states that I may possess
 slaves, both male and female, provided they are
 purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine
 claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not
 Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own
 Canadians?
 
 2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in 
 Exodus 21: 7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair 
 price for her?
 
 3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman
 while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanness
 - Lev. 15: 19-24. The problem is how do I tell? I
 have tried asking, but most women take offense.
 
 4. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I
 know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord - Lev.
 1: 9. The problem is, my neighbors. They claim the
 odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?
 
 5. I have a neighbor who insists on working on the
 Sabbath. Exodus 35: 2. clearly states he should be
 put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him
 myself, or should I ask the police to do it?
 
 6. A friend of mine feels that even though eating
 shellfish is an abomination - Lev. 11: 10, it is a
 lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't
 agree. Can you settle this? Are there degrees of
 abomination?
 
 7. Lev. 21: 20 states that I may not approach the
 altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have
 to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision
 have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle-room here?
 
 8. Most of my male friends get their hair

RE: [Biofuel] Knowledge vs faith

2004-11-10 Thread Mel Riser

The Urantia book says the BEST religion is one we CREATE for ourselves.

Religion is the study and worship of a unknown creator.

Whether that is the Native Americans spirit that moves in all things or the 
GOD of Moses, or the god of Jesus, the Allah of Muhammad, or RA for that matter.

We all have to synthesize what we believe ( faith in things unseen ) with what 
we KNOW from experience. And from this SYNTHESIS comes will to power and action.

We are creating a sort of religion here with our study and action related to 
BioDiesel production and permaculture and taking care of the earth.

YES this can be considered a CULT of you look at all the proof

We all fellowship, have wholehearted discussions, live a certain way, have a 
certain faith ( at least in ourselves and BioDiesel) and fellowship via the 
machine.

The Church of the Internet Discussion Group

:)

Seriously though, a thorough study of all religions reveals there is truth and 
goodness in each and the effect they have on the practitioner is revealed in 
the Fruits

Our Fruit is taking care of the earth and local fuel production and not 
supporting the corpor-megalomaniacal-profit engine.

So we all bring knowledge and faith to play every day.

Aunt this fun?

mel

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RE: [Biofuel] about God

2004-11-10 Thread Mel Riser

So this excrement you speak of? Can we make fuel or fertilizer from it?

Is it a fertilizer of great strength?

Does it Excrete often or once every millennia or so?

How might we transport this excrement?

mel


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Subject: [Biofuel] about God


I saw that some people are talking about God.

I just want to express my point of view about God: it's total bullshit!

It's told that God can create and do anything, as he wish.  Following the 
logic of this statement, he could create a rock which is impossible to lift 
even for him because he can do anything he wants.  But if he can't lift that 
rock, this mean he can't do anything he wants.  Seems that we got a paradox 
here.  Seems that the Bible is not telling the truth.
Some peole will say: it's impossible to create a rock which is impossible to 
lift even God can't do that.  That directly say that god can't do anything 
and that the Bible was not right.  Don't it smell like bullshit?

Think about that and tell me if paradox can be true.
Stop wasting your life and energy in this ridiculous story.  It's all about 
collecting beliver's money.  Help the world evolve instead.

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RE: FW: [Biofuel] about God

2004-11-10 Thread Mel Riser

Of COURSE they are evolved just as we are... But there are SUDDEN changes in 
the DNA that bring about Spontaneous mutation.

And behold a new creature comes forth that does NOT look the Parents.

The Urantia book goes in to evolution in Detail.

Read the chapter on Andon and Fonta, the first humans... No not Adam and Eve.

They are material sons and daughters of PERFECT DNA designed to up step the 
evolution of the evolved humans.

Interesting chapter.

http://www.urantia.org/papers/paper63.html

And here is a chapter on Adam and Eve

http://www.urantia.org/papers/paper74.html

And here is the Default of Adam and Eve.

What they REALLY did. No apples here  :)

http://www.urantia.org/papers/paper75.html

I am looking for the chapter that has the paragraphs on the best religion is 
one you make up for yourself.

Mel

Btw the mandate from the midwayers was this WAS NEVER to be an organized 
religion.

That is what has gotten so MANY messages off track in the past.

You will not find a church of urantia. Only study groups

And there are no priests. Or imams

Or holy mothers for that matter

:)

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Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 1:43 PM
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Wouldn't it be the creature the chicken evolved from?

john

But which evolved from it first, the chicken, the egg or the rooster? 
And why, John, are you complicating matters by bringing all this 
suspect evolutionary theory into a perfectly good religious 
discussion? LOL!

Anyway, they're dinosaurs, aren't they? Sure look like dinosaurs to 
me. Clever trick, that, evolving into warm-blooded critters. Maybe 
they had to use a two-tank system with a pre-heater first before they 
got it right.

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Behalf Of Tim Ferguson
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 9:36 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Thanks Keith,

:-) Sorry Tim, couldn't resist...

I can now rest easy :) !

That's more than I can say right now - both roosters are crowing, 
what a row. It's that big one, I dont know how he does it - whatever 
the season, no matter what time dawn breaks, regardless of the 
weather, he starts crowing at 4am, very punctual. Maybe he gets a 
wake-up call on his cell-phone. Anyway, yes, it's 4am, again, and 
actually the roosters don't bother me at all, I'll rest easy too, 
soon as I've finished this.

All best

Keith


Best wishes,

Tim

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Behalf Of Keith Addison
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 10:57 AM
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Um... the rooster?

Keith


 Very well said...
 
 Jonathan
 
 Tim Ferguson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Gabriel,
 
 You are obviously a profound thinker so I will
 pose a troubling question to you.
 
 Which cam first? The Chicken..or the Egg?
 
 Best wishes,
 
 Tim
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Behalf Of Gabriel Proulx
 Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 9:54 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: [Biofuel] about God
 
 
 I saw that some people are talking about God.
 
 I just want to express my point of view about
God:
 it's total bullshit!
 
 It's told that God can create and do anything, as
 he wish. Following the
 logic of this statement, he could create a rock
 which is impossible to lift
 even for him because he can do anything he wants.
 But if he can't lift that
 rock, this mean he can't do anything he wants.
 Seems that we got a paradox
 here. Seems that the Bible is not telling the
 truth.
 Some peole will say: it's impossible to create a
 rock which is impossible to
 lift even God can't do that. That directly say
 that god can't do anything
 and that the Bible was not right. Don't it smell
 like bullshit?
 
 Think about that and tell me if paradox can be
 true.
 Stop wasting your life and energy in this
 ridiculous story. It's all about
 collecting beliver's money. Help the world evolve
 instead.

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RE: Re[2]: [Biofuel] Knowledge vs faith

2004-11-10 Thread Mel Riser
 embodying his own theologic views and portraying his 
own personal experience with the Jesus of the Damascus road. The gospel of the 
kingdom is founded on the personal religious experience of the Jesus of 
Galilee; Christianity is founded almost exclusively on the personal religious 
experience of the Apostle Paul. Almost the whole of the New Testament is 
devoted, not to the portrayal of the significant and inspiring religious life 
of Jesus, but to a discussion of Paul's religious experience and to a portrayal 
of his personal religious convictions. The only notable exceptions to this 
statement, aside from certain parts of Matthew, Mark, and Luke, are the Book of 
Hebrews and the Epistle of James. Even Peter, in his writing, only once 
reverted to the personal religious life of his Master. The New Testament is a 
superb Christian document, but it is only meagerly Jesusonian.


P.2092 - ¤2 But the greatest mistake was made in that, while the human Jesus 
was recognized as having a religion, the divine Jesus (Christ) almost overnight 
became a religion. Paul's Christianity made sure of the adoration of the divine 
Christ, but it almost wholly lost sight of the struggling and valiant human 
Jesus of Galilee, who, by the valor of his personal religious faith and the 
heroism of his indwelling Adjuster, ascended from the lowly levels of humanity 
to become one with divinity, thus becoming the new and living way whereby all 
mortals may so ascend from humanity to divinity. Mortals in all stages of 
spirituality and on all worlds may find in the personal life of Jesus that 
which will strengthen and inspire them as they progress from the lowest spirit 
levels up to the highest divine values, from the beginning to the end of all 
personal religious experience.


P.2095 - ¤4 Every time man makes a reflective moral choice, he immediately 
experiences a new divine invasion of his soul. Moral choosing constitutes 
religion as the motive of inner response to outer conditions. But such a real 
religion is not a purely subjective experience. It signifies the whole of the 
subjectivity of the individual engaged in a meaningful and intelligent response 
to total objectivity--the universe and its Maker.

I did not find EXACTLY the sentence I said earlier and maybe it was a SYNTHESIS 
in MY OWN MIND as to the best of what I have read.

mel

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From: Gustl Steiner-Zehender [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 10:38 AM

To: Mel Riser
Subject: Re[2]: [Biofuel] Knowledge vs faith


Hallo Mel,

Wednesday, 10 November, 2004, 09:40:08, you wrote:

MR The Urantia book says the BEST religion is one we CREATE for 
MR ourselves.


Just  out  of curiosity, could you give me the paper, page and line(s) where 
that is said?  Thank you kindly.

Happy Happy,

Gustl
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ICQ: 22211253-Gustli

The safest road to Hell is the gradual one - the gentle slope, 
soft underfoot, without sudden turnings, without milestones, 
without signposts.  
C. S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters

Es gibt Wahrheiten, die so sehr auf der Stra§e liegen, 
da§ sie gerade deshalb von der gewšhnlichen Welt nicht 
gesehen oder wenigstens nicht erkannt werden.

Those who dance are considered insane by those who can't
hear the music.  
George Carlin

The best portion of a good man's life -
His little, nameless, unremembered acts of kindness and of love. William 
Wordsworth



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[Biofuel] UB church?

2004-11-10 Thread Mel Riser


I know of no such church. It may yet evolve into that.

But not here in the states. No priests no churches

No dogma

And there is a HUGE Dutch following of the UB.

Oh yes

Jesus would have supported BioDiesel

I feel that is true

:)

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From: Gustl Steiner-Zehender [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 4:01 PM
To: Mel Riser
Subject: Re[2]: FW: [Biofuel] about God


Hallo ,

Wednesday, 10 November, 2004, 16:00:54, you wrote:

...snip...

MR I  am  looking for the chapter that has the paragraphs on the best 
MR religion is one you make up for yourself.

MR Mel

...snip...

MR You will not find a church of urantia. Only study groups

MR And there are no priests. Or imams

MR Or holy mothers for that matter

MR :)

Sorry,  you  will find a Urantian church and you will find a priest or
minister  or  whatever  you  want  to  call  it.   You  will also find
fundamentalist Urantians.  I assume you are unaware of the schism in
the  society  and  the  lawsuits  and  such.   The Fellowship tried to
copyright  the  U-book  but  lost  as  it is not possible to copyright 
something  which claims to be a divine revelation.  You will also find those  
arrogant  clowns  who  consider themselves superior to everyone else  because  
they  understand  what  the  book says and others, of course, don't.

Comparative   religion   and   philosophy   were  my  majors  for  my
undergraduate  degree.Things  religious  are  one  of  the areas I
monitor.  If you would like other resources let me know and I will see what  I 
can do to point you in several various directions.  I am still interested  in  
your  nailing  down  that  paragraph please.  I do not remember ever seeing it 
over the years.

Happy Happy,

Gustl
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ICQ: 22211253-Gustli

The safest road to Hell is the gradual one - the gentle slope, 
soft underfoot, without sudden turnings, without milestones, 
without signposts.  
C. S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters

Es gibt Wahrheiten, die so sehr auf der Stra§e liegen, 
da§ sie gerade deshalb von der gewšhnlichen Welt nicht 
gesehen oder wenigstens nicht erkannt werden.

Those who dance are considered insane by those who can't
hear the music.  
George Carlin

The best portion of a good man's life -
His little, nameless, unremembered acts of kindness and of love. William 
Wordsworth



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RE: Bible, Koran Torah Thumping, not to mention other general sheeple tricks was Re: [Biofuel] aboutGod

2004-11-10 Thread Mel Riser

P.597 - ¤3 Even on normal evolutionary worlds the realization of the world-wide 
brotherhood of man is not an easy accomplishment. On a confused and disordered 
planet like Urantia such an achievement requires a much longer time and 
necessitates far greater effort. Unaided social evolution can hardly achieve 
such happy results on a spiritually isolated sphere. Religious revelation is 
essential to the realization of brotherhood on Urantia. While Jesus has shown 
the way to the immediate attainment of spiritual brotherhood, the realization 
of social brotherhood on your world depends much on the achievement of the 
following personal transformations and planetary adjustments:

The Urantia book EXPLICITLY tells us we evolved, give us the timelines and 
debunks much of the ahem... Mythology of the Judeo-Christian dogma

mel

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Amazingly blind and foolish, humans are.

Cobb County Georgia School Board puts stickers on their biology books 
stating that evolution is only a theory, all at the behest of a few 
screaming meamies, and two thousand petition signers.

They're rationale? God is real but evolution is unproven.

Well now..., one must ask the question: If sufficient proof of evolution is 
requisite, shouldn't the existance of God, gods or goddesses be held to the 
same standard? Would someone please show me the irrefutable proof that God 
exists?

Now, now. You can't rely upon semi-contemporary interpretations of written 
words from thousands of years ago. That's hearsay and second hand at best. 
That would be no different than anyone quoting from Darwin's Origin of the 
Species. Just because someone wrote it doesn't make it fact anymore than 
just declaring it.

What is required is first hand knowledge that is repeatable and provable, 
given the correct set of circumstances of course.

So given enough time (millenia or just a few biologic cycles), it's rather 
easy to prove the selectivity of nature for specific traits that are best 
suited to certain environmental characteristics. Rather kind of mindless 
work. Perfectly amazing, but none-the-less simple.

But given the same amount of time, all that is evidenced relative to God's 
existance is more hearsay, first hand, second hand and off-hand tales of 
miracles and magnificent radiance, but nothing tangible, nothing repeatable, 
and in many respects nothing at all.

It's really rather easy to feel some degree of sympathy for those who 
believe but can't prove the existance of what it is they believe in. 
Frustrating it must be for them. Of course, there is the age-old and 
failure-proof standby that If you don't believe me, you must be an agent 
from hell. That usually gets most people to leave them alone in their 
dither.

Now please don't get me wrong. I'd bet good money that there's something out 
there that's bigger than me, and you as well. Just that virtually no-one has 
any proof as to exactly what that is. It's all theory. And while theory 
is all rather nice and no doubt necessary, especially when considering the 
needy, foolish and frail mental capacities of humanity in general (see  the 
dismal, human propensity to punch time clocks and afford governments 
opportunity to cast bullets, muzzles and bombs and then put them in the 
hands of their children to unleash on whomever they wish), it remains 
nothing more than that.

So, while the world waits for an irrefutable appearance of the cosmos' most 
premier water walker, perhaps we oughta' either take all the stickers off 
the books, or at minimum eliminate the double standard and put two stickers 
on everything, declaring that God and evolution are both theories, giving 
evidence to a little honesty in advertising for a change.

I know. Jeers, virtual athiesm tomatos and fatwahs all around.

Must often times be depressing, disconcerting and demoralizing for those who 
have a belief and no proof...other than the proof of their belief, of 
course.

Circular logic, that. A record stuck playing in the same groove, never 
letting the listener/audience hear the rest of the song, much less 
experience it as fully as they could...

Todd Swearingen


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 You put words into my mouth.

 I did not say that I  have faith that they indeed are telling true
 stories
 .

 Again, faith and trust are different things, even though they have 
 been
 used
 by some people interchangeably.


 Faith is belief in that which is not provable, by means available. 
 Trust is belief based on understanding of that which can be proved or 
 disproved.

 I trust that the money in my pocket will be 

[Biofuel] BioFuel Wednesday

2004-11-10 Thread Mel Riser

Austin BioFuel is hosting Wednesday nights buy fuel and socialize at the plant

http://www.austinbiofuels.com/index.php/fuseaction/home/pid/22/sid/10.php

Heading out for downtown before traffic gets bad.

Anyone wanting a Urantia book program can get it here.

www.webcrayon.com/urantia/urantiabook.zip

If you prefer a paper version let me know as I buy and send a few out every 
year to interested folk.

mel

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RE: [Biofuel] Diesel Motorcycle

2004-11-09 Thread Mel Riser

I have been wanting to get one of the tiny oil mills as well.

Maybe it's time for a trip to India and rent an ocean container and ship some 
stuff back.

So they sell these new?



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They do have one in my country (India)..don't know whether they export it or 
not, though the company does export some of the models to Europe and America. 
It's called the Royal Enfield Taurus.  It comes from a very reputed 
manufacturer...sorta the harley of India. And its supposed to be cheaper to run 
than even walking (accounting for the calories u burn walking and the money you 
spend on food, to gain those calories as against the cost of the diesel.)!!!



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Anyone know of a diesel motorcycle?

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RE: [Biofuel] The world is about to get crazier

2004-11-09 Thread Mel Riser

That looks like a wonderful place, but the price is a little steep for me. 
Kinda pricey for rural land.

I guess the house is worth a lot.

Going to go and see a 240 D Mercedes Diesel tonight.

Oldie but goodie?

This would put me ALL the way into BioDiesel cars as my last gas vehicle is an 
89 Toyota Celica and is my daily driver when I am not driving the truck or 
ambulance.

They both are pretty specialized and looking for a car for in town and general 
running around.

mel

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http://wwwforsalebyownercanada.com/property/100901.htm is missing the dot 
after the W's, cut and paste this 
http://www.forsalebyownercanada.com/property/100901.htm
Luc
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Dear Mel Riser,

   Your article was interesting, here is a way you might want to
   concider, come to Canada!

   There are a lot of affordable places here in BC. you might want to
   look at.

   As you said, As well as trying to get some land with more dirt for
   food production and permaculture here is one that is very private
   and spacious, if it appeals to you, that's good, if not please pass
   the info. on to someone else;

   [1]http://wwwforsalebyownercanada.com/property/100901.htm

It has it's own creek water

   Respectfully,

   Bill
   As well as trying to get some land with more dirt for food production
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RE: [Biofuel] He talks to God

2004-11-08 Thread Mel Riser

Oh Peggy it WAS marvelous here in Austin tonight.

I too was outside looking at the colors and how the pink lit up the whole sky 
and the clouds.

The point is here that NO ONE has a monopoly on God and it's different for 
everyone.

I personally read the Urantia book and like the Bahaii faith, as it embraces 
all religions.

But what are learned and cosmic conscious citizens of the universe supposed to 
do with such backwardness and dogmatism?

Maybe we just have to keep teaching. Not so sure at this point.

One of my favorite ways to counter some of the dogma and I'm right and they are 
wrong crowd is to ask them some simple questions.

1 If my grandfather stole a car in 1890 before they titled them and anyone knew 
what it was and hid it in the barn, and I take it out 110 years later, is it 
still a stolen car? Most folks nod and say why yes it is.

Then I ask them...If my great -great grandfather stole some folks land, 
murdered a bunch of the land owners would it still be stolen land? And 
murder? Even if they didnt have titles to the land. They of course say yes.

Then I remind them that is exactly what we did here in this country to the 
natives and what the imperial powers did in EVERY country they civilized

And they say

well that's different and I ask how

And they stammer and stutter and cant really answer.

And the same today. If a Govt came into a country, helped with a coup de etat 
and installed their own puppet ruler and then proceeded to allow THEIR 
corporations to pillage and loot the country for their own counties benefit? Is 
it SILL A STOLEN CAR?

Mel

Who wishes he did not have to participate in the criminal enterprises of his 
country but he IS LOOKING for ALTERNATIVE

:(

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Hello Mel,

Tonight my husband and I were marveling at the sunset and how appreciation, 
joy, and good will are the most important things to bring into our lives to 
amplify the same.  Well, then I read your message. Golly gee, is it time for a 
good book burning or will that amply the same?

Peggy

Subject: He talks to God

I figgered' since he talks to God and Jesus so much he might help me in my 
study of the Bible.

Wonder whut kinda answer's I'll get back?

mel

Dear President Bush,

Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I have 
learned a great deal from you and understand why you would propose and support 
a constitutional amendment banning same sex marriage. As you said in the eyes 
of God marriage is based between a man a woman. I try to share that knowledge 
with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual 
lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18: 22 clearly 
states it to be an abomination. . . End of debate.

I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some other elements of God's 
Laws and how to follow them.

1. Leviticus 25: 44 states that I may possess slaves, both male and female, 
provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims 
that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I 
own Canadians?

2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21: 
7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period 
of menstrual uncleanness - Lev. 15: 19-24. The problem is how do I tell? I have 
tried asking, but most women take offense.

4. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing 
odor for the Lord - Lev. 1: 9. The problem is, my neighbors. They claim the 
odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

5. I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35: 2. 
clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him 
myself, or should I ask the police to do it?

6. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination - 
Lev. 11: 10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can 
you settle this? Are there degrees of abomination?

7. Lev. 21: 20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a 
defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision 
have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle-room here?

8. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around 
their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev. 19:27. How 
should they die?

9. I know from Lev. 11: 6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me 
unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

10. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19: 19 by planting two different 
crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two 
different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and 

[Biofuel] The world is about to get crazier

2004-11-08 Thread Mel Riser

This is what I have been saying all along was the tipping point that got us 
into the mess.

And why the British are in with us.

So given we have MAYBE a year to get prepared, I am going to shift into higher 
gear on the making of BioFuel at my house.

As well as trying to get some land with more dirt for food production and 
permaculture

http://globalresearch.ca/articles/CLA410A.html

www.globalresearch.ca
Centre for Research on Globalisation
Centre de recherche sur la mondialisation


The Real Reasons Why Iran is the Next Target:
The Emerging Euro-denominated International Oil Marker
by William Clark

www.globalresearch.ca  27 October 2004

The URL of this article is: http://globalresearch.ca/articles/CLA410A.html

The Iranians are about to commit an offense far greater than Saddam
Hussein's conversion to the euro of Iraq's oil exports in the fall of
2000. Numerous articles have revealed Pentagon planning for operations
against Iran as early as 2005. While the publicly stated reasons will
be over Iran's nuclear ambitions, there are unspoken macroeconomic
drivers explaining the Real Reasons regarding the 2nd stage of
petrodollar warfare - Iran's upcoming euro-based oil Bourse.



In 2005-2006, The Tehran government has a developed a plan to begin
competing with New York's NYMEX and London's IPE with respect to
international oil trades - using a euro-denominated international
oil-trading mechanism. This means that without some form of US
intervention, the euro is going to establish a firm foothold in the
international oil trade. Given U.S. debt levels and the stated
neoconservative project for U.S. global domination, Tehran's objective
constitutes an obvious encroachment on U.S. dollar supremacy in the
international oil market

Of all the enemies to public liberty war is, perhaps, the most to be
dreaded because it comprises and develops the germ of every other. War
is the parent of armies; from these proceed debts and taxes...known
instruments for bringing the many under the domination of the few. . .
No nation could preserve its freedom in the midst of continual warfare.

- James Madison, Political Observations, 1795

Madison's words of wisdom should be carefully considered by the
American people and world community. The rapidly deteriorating
situation on the ground in Iraq portends an even direr situation for
American soldiers and the People of the world community - should the
Bush administration pursue their strategy regarding Iran. Current
geopolitical tensions between the United States and Iran extend beyond
the publicly stated concerns regarding Iran's nuclear intentions, and
likely include a proposed Iranian petroeuro system for oil trade.
Similar to the Iraq war, upcoming operations against Iran relate to
the macroeconomics of the `petrodollar recycling' and the unpublicized
but real challenge to U.S. dollar supremacy from the euro as an
alternative oil transaction currency.

It is now obvious the invasion of Iraq had less to do with any threat
from Saddam's long-gone WMD program and certainly less to do to do
with fighting International terrorism than it has to do with gaining
control over Iraq's hydrocarbon reserves and in doing so maintaining
the U.S. dollar as the monopoly currency for the critical
international oil market. Throughout 2004 statements by former
administration insiders revealed that the Bush/Cheney administration
entered into office with the intention of toppling Saddam Hussein.
Indeed, the neoconservative strategy of installing a pro-U.S.
government in Baghdad along with multiple U.S. military bases was
partly designed to thwart further momentum within OPEC towards a
petroeuro. However, subsequent events show this strategy to be
fundamentally flawed, with Iran moving forward towards a petroeuro
system for international oil trades, while Russia discusses this option.

Candidly stated, `Operation Iraqi Freedom' was a war designed to
install a pro-U.S. puppet in Iraq, establish multiple U.S military
bases before the onset of Peak Oil, and to reconvert Iraq back to
petrodollars while hoping to thwart further OPEC momentum towards the
euro as an alternative oil transaction currency. [1] In 2003 the
global community witnessed a combination of petrodollar warfare and
oil depletion warfare. The majority of the world's governments 
especially the E.U., Russia and China - were not amused  and neither
are the U.S. soldiers who are currently stationed in Iraq.

Indeed, the author's original pre-war hypothesis was validated shortly
after the war in a Financial Times article dated June 5th, 2003, which
confirmed Iraqi oil sales returning to the international markets were
once again denominated in US dollars, not euros. Not surprisingly,
this detail was never mentioned in the five US major media
conglomerates who appear to censor this type of information, but
confirmation of this vital fact provides insight into one of the
crucial - yet overlooked - rationales for 2003 the Iraq war.


RE: [Biofuel] Filtering WVO

2004-11-08 Thread Mel Riser

When I was in high school I worked at McDonalds on the morning shift opening 
the store.

One of my jobs was to filter the French fry oil. We used a big round stainless 
tank on wheels that had a pump and some paper filters in the bottom.

The procedure was to light the fryers and once the oil was not congealed, you 
open a valve at the bottom that let the oil flow in to the tank and settle 
through the filter paper and then it was pumped back into the fryer vat.

The filter paper came from a local rest. Supply house.

mel

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RE: [Biofuel] Filtering WVO

2004-11-08 Thread Mel Riser

Yes it all goes into the grease vat outside and where I worked at the had a 
contract with Griffin Industries to pick it up.

And I heard they were from New Jersey

They are building a BioDiesel plant here in central Texas to take all the 
grease and make BioDiesel. But haven't seen it nor know anything about it.

I SERIOUSLY doubt you are going to get any grease from a McDonalds, but small 
mom and pop Chinese places are my source now

mel

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While on the subject of McD. Do they mix the french fry oil with the talow 
fat from the burgers when they dispose of it? I am hoping for a second 
supplier but don't want a bunch of bacon greese and burger fat in the mix. Luc
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When I was in high school I worked at McDonalds on the morning shift opening 
the store.

One of my jobs was to filter the French fry oil. We used a big round 
stainless tank on wheels that had a pump and some paper filters in the 
bottom.

The procedure was to light the fryers and once the oil was not congealed, 
you open a valve at the bottom that let the oil flow in to the tank and 
settle through the filter paper and then it was pumped back into the fryer 
vat.

The filter paper came from a local rest. Supply house.

mel

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[Biofuel] Diesel Motorcycle

2004-11-08 Thread Mel Riser

Anyone know of a diesel motorcycle?

mel

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RE: [Biofuel] Pump Trucks

2004-11-07 Thread Mel Riser

Harbor freight has pumps that will pump oil as well as Northern Hydraulics

A 12 volt pump for oil is around 125 dollars for the cheapy and 250 to 400 for 
a very high quality one

mel

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One would suspect that any company that deals with waste removal, as in 
outhouses, would have that info as that is what they use, pump trucks, yuk! 
However, there are gizmos out there specifically made for WVO pumping from a 
12V outlet, but that would depend on what kind of volume you are speaking 
of, definetly not pump truck volume.
Luc
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Subject: [Biofuel] Pump Trucks


Does anyone have any information on pump trucks to pump WVO like who makes 
them or where they can be acquired.  Or even plans on how to convert a 
regular truck to one?

Jeremy
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[Biofuel] He talks to God

2004-11-07 Thread Mel Riser

I figgered' since he talks to God and Jesus so much he might help me in my 
study of the Bible.

Wonder whut kinda answer's I'll get back?

mel

Dear President Bush,

Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I have 
learned a great deal from you and understand why you would propose and support 
a constitutional amendment banning same sex marriage. As you said in the eyes 
of God marriage is based between a man a woman. I try to share that knowledge 
with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual 
lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18: 22 clearly 
states it to be an abomination. . . End of debate.

I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some other elements of God's 
Laws and how to follow them.

1. Leviticus 25: 44 states that I may possess slaves, both male and female, 
provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims 
that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I 
own Canadians?

2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21: 
7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period 
of menstrual uncleanness - Lev. 15: 19-24. The problem is how do I tell? I have 
tried asking, but most women take offense.

4. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing 
odor for the Lord - Lev. 1: 9. The problem is, my neighbors. They claim the 
odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

5. I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35: 2. 
clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him 
myself, or should I ask the police to do it?

6. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination - 
Lev. 11: 10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can 
you settle this? Are there degrees of abomination?

7. Lev. 21: 20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a 
defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision 
have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle-room here?

8. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around 
their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev. 19:27. How 
should they die?

9. I know from Lev. 11: 6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me 
unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

10. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19: 19 by planting two different 
crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two 
different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and 
blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of 
getting the whole town together to stone them? Lev.24: 10-16. Couldn't we just 
burn them to death at a private family affair, like we do with people who sleep 
with their in-laws? (Lev. 20: 14)

I know you have studied these things extensively and thus enjoy considerable 
expertise in such matters, as well, you have a direct line to God so I am 
confident you can help.

Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging. 

Mel


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[Biofuel] deed is one

2004-11-02 Thread Mel Riser

Well I have voted. Voted straight Libertarian along party lines. and where 
there wasn;t a Libertarian candidate, I either abstained or voted democrat.

crazy huh?

Yes I know... but it is the only viable 3rd party.

But enough of that...

 

I registered a new domain name mysolarvillage.com

I also started a blog about the village. mysolarvillage.blogspot.com

NO I don't have any content up yet, but I am hoping to work on it some this 
week. I hope to follow in the footsteps of Steve Spence and will detail my 
village as he has.

My BioDiesel signs on the side of my blazer say I'm stickin' it to the man... 
BioDiesel Test Vehicle

I get a lot of questions and stares and a lot of thumbs up and stares.

So here's to a renewable future...

 

and vote Libertarian

 

mel

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RE: [Biofuel] Biodiesel exhaust = ?

2004-10-30 Thread Mel Riser

The Texas DOT is doing tail pipe analysis this morning and I am taking my 1983 
K5 with 6.2 there for analysis.

I'll post the results. I have been running mostly B50 but yesterday I filled up 
with B100 to get an idea.

mel

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Does anyone have any links to analyses of the byproducts of biodiesel 
combustion?

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RE: [Biofuel] Electric Yard Tools (was Trees and power companies)

2004-10-23 Thread Mel Riser

There is a GREAT article in Home Power  about a family in Colorado that lives 
off grid and they made a Solar powered logging bugging.

Basically an old truck bed converted to a trailer with batteries and solar 
panels. The run electric chain saws off of it and they converted their bandsaw 
mill to run off the solar wagon as well.
http://www.homepower.com/files/ALLEETOC/Issue84.pdf?search=electric%20chain%20saw

That particular issue was called the blackout buster issue and it's one of the 
BEST they have ever made.

Back issues are 5.00 but Homepower lets you print online for FREE.

So if you want to read off a PDF or print it yourself, register and download 
the magazine.

These folks went that way after on winter of chainsawing with gasoline.

It can be done with enough panels and batteries. You could get an electric 
motor to run the hydrualic pump.

mel
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Steve, I would like to hear what you think of the electric chain saw and log 
splitter when your evaluation is done.

I have an old 14-inch, 110-volt AC chain saw.  It doesn't get much work, but 
I'm 
always pleased with it when I do use it.  Not for professional lumberjacks, but 
quite adequate for yardwork.

I'm thinking about building a log splitter, probably based on a motor and screw 
jack rather than hydraulics, but I have not done enough investigation yet to be 
sure which way to go.  Spent about six hours near a gas-powered unit a couple 
of 
weekends ago - really want to avoid doing that again.

Darryl

Steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I'm not Kim, but I though I'd answer some of these questions just to 
 give Kim and others an idea on our off grid solutions. See below:
 
 = = = Original message = = =
 
 Hi Kim,
 an ambitious project for most people, however, I suspect you are up to 
 it.
 
 Are your telephone lines strung on the same poles as the electrical 
 lines?  If so, does the telephone company have the same rules as the 
 electrical company?  If so, do you have other options for telephone 
 service?  (I'm assuming that telephone access provides your Internet 
 access and you do not wish to give up your phone service.)
 
 SS We have no power poles to our property. The phone company delivers 
 SS voice and DSL
 on underground lines.
 
 What do you use electricity for now?  Lighting (SS - ELECTRIC/INV), 
 refrigeration(SS
 - PROPANE), cooking (SS - PROPANE), well pump (SS - ELECTRIC/GEN), air
 conditioning(SS - NONE), hot water (SS - PROPANE), space heating (SS - WOOD),
 computer (SS - ELECTRIC/INV), entertainment equipment (SS - ELECTRIC/INV), 
 washer
 (SS - ELECTRIC/GEN), dryer (SS - ELECTRIC/GEN  PROPANE)), yard or farm 
 equipment
 (SS - ELECTRIC/GEN), etc?  Do you have your recent electrical bills, and do 
 they
 show your consumption by period?
 
 How can you reduce those requirements?  Substitution, efficiency, 
 conservation, other?
 
 How do you propose to generate your own electricity?  Generator (SS - 
 YES), wind turbine (SS - YES), solar panels (SS - YES), low head hydro 
 (SS - N/A), other?  I'm assuming a generator (biodiesel) as your 
 primary source initially (SS - Ours is WVO and Biodiesel), but that 
 doesn't preclude other options in the future.
 
 Can you set up all your loads so they will run only when a generator 
 (or other
 source) is running, or will you require local energy storage?  If so, 
 batteries are
 the most practical option (IMNSHO), though not perfect by any means.  Most 
 likely a
 non-trivial investment (batteries, inverter, charger, etc). (SS - We have a 
 675 ah
 battery pack, 2kw inverter, 30 amp charge controller, 90 watt PV and 300 watt 
 wind,
 with 12.5kw wvo gen)
 
 Other lists may also be helpful to you.  Homeenergysolutions, 
 alternate energy, renewable-energy come to mind. (ss - also 12vdc 
 group at yahoo.)
 
 It is certainly an interesting adventure.  The first step is examining 
 current consumption to look for ways to reduce it.  That will be 
 worthwhile whether you go off-grid or not.  The least expensive 
 electricity is the electricity you don't have to produce.
 
 SS - We installed all CF lighting, and switched outlet strips on all 
 phantom loads. Biomethane will replace the propane next year. Electric 
 chainsaw and electric log splitter are being evaluated.
 
 Darryl McMahon
 
 
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RE: [Biofuel] Gennies and off grid in Texas

2004-10-21 Thread Mel Riser

Are you including the cost of the generator?

And parts when it wears out?

And you do all your own stuff, but what of folks that don't

The numbers I quoted are what we calculated for a hunting lodge in Mexico that 
ran a big gennie every day for 20 years.

mel

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Our kWh costs on the VeggieGen are running about $0.08 / kWh (fuel filtering, 
expected maintenance, depreciation of capital assets). This is in Niagara 
Mohawk Power territory where electric is $0.15 / kWh delivered. This does not 
include the $15k capital expense avoided by not having power lines brought in, 
or the $40k saved on property purchase price because there were no powerlines.

= = = Original message = = =

It's going to cost you WAY MORE to run the gennie per kilowatt than buying grid 
electricity.

On the order of 20 to 40 cents per kilowatt. You WILL pay for the cost of solar 
panels in a few years of fuel, maintenance and problems with the mechanical 
generator.

I have a 20 kw propane gennie here but we only use it as a backup. I have about 
1300 watt of solar panels and while they ARE expensive, they are the easiest 
and cheapest in the LONG TERM

--

In my opinion a gennie should only be used as a back up to PV power setup to 
make up for a long string of cloudy days when the batteries did not get fully 
charged I have my own 700 watt PV setup down here in Houston, and have 
never regretted it.



A combo of solar, wind, gennies and wood will be better than putting all your 
eggs in the gennie basket.



That is good advice.. and in addition to that, I also built a rainwater 
catchment system which I filter through a home made sand filter for 
household use and I have a cast iron wood comfort heater for heating my
home,  when necessary   http://Geocities.com/solarliving

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RE: [Biofuel] Gennies and off grid in Texas

2004-10-21 Thread Mel Riser

Yes Steve you and I can do this cheaper than most folks, as we do it ourselves.

But someone less mechanically inclined will yell for expensive help the first 
time it breaks and they cant fix it. And getting a good diesel mechanic out to 
fix a SVO run unit is going to cost a lot.

They get a good bit of wind over there around Houston from the sea breezes. A 
combo of PV, wind, and gennie will round it out.

I am in the market for a diesel gennie myself. I have the propane unit as a 
backup for my data center. ( I host websites and e-commerce stuff from my 
studio )

My biggest issue right now is the 24/7/365 cost of all my servers.

I am running about 15 servers right now and they total draw is about 2000 
watts. But it's 24/7 AND the Aircon to remove the heat is more electricity. I 
have been turning off some older machines and installing more energy efficient 
one lately, and I also let them run pretty hot in the summer ( ~80 in the 
computer room ) 

Been experimenting with some water cooling and looking at recircing some water 
through radiators for cooling. Not swamp cooling (evaporation) but sort of like 
chilled water without the chiller.

There is a guy in Oklahoma that pumps water out of a well and runs it through 
car radiators and fans and the puts it back in the ground.

I also am looking at converting my heat pump on the main house to a ground loop 
heat pump and going to a smaller unit.

Yes for folks like Green-Trust the SVO/WVO is promising. I plan to follow the 
same plans and will be converting the K5 behemoth to SVO in the next month.

Right now I am just running B50 in it.

On another note, I pulled up in the parking lot at work the other day and a guy 
walked up to talk to me. I didnt turn my engine off. He cocked his head and 
asked if anyone was frying fish?? I told him no it was my truck

Pretty cool? I GAG now when I have to run straight diesel in it as the 
BioDiesel cuts the emissions so radically.

We also get some used panels every now and then, and I will keep my eyes peeled 
for everyone on this list.

Last time I bought used I got them for 1 per watt. Yep

And I hear the Govt is getting ready to de-commission a 20 kw array for a 
larger one and I MAY get to buy the whole lot CHEAP.

I'll keep what I can use and put the rest up here for a small profit.

Anyway, Steve has the best overall route on how to get there if you are 
mechanically inclined and I am right behind him.

Thanks Steve for having such a great website!

mel

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Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 8:43 AM
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It's going to cost you WAY MORE to run the gennie per kilowatt than buying grid 
electricity.

SS no, not really. $0.08 / kWh in $0.15 kWh Grid territory

On the order of 20 to 40 cents per kilowatt. You WILL pay for the cost of solar 
panels in a few years of fuel, maintenance and problems with the mechanical 
generator.

SS many more than a few years. PV is still around $8 / watt installed 
SS system costs.

I have a 20 kw propane gennie here but we only use it as a backup. I have about 
1300 watt of solar panels and while they ARE expensive, they are the easiest 
and cheapest in the LONG TERM. 

SS our 12.kWh diesel is used 12 hours a day. The fuel is virtually free 
SS and there is little maintenance.

Trust me, you are going to get WAY tired of that generator after a while.

SS I fail to see how ...

The best strategy I can see would be to get a good battery backed PV setup to 
run lights, computers, tevees and radios etc.

Low amp things and get a propane powered refrigerator and aircon.

SS Why use a expensive fossil fuel like propane. Diesels last longer. 
SS More reliable.

And with the cost of fuel these days gennies will eat you out of house and home.

SS Veggie oil is free, farm diesel is cheap.

To get a good gennie you can run on SVO/WVO you are going to spend 5000 to 10 k 
and it will need to be replace every 3 years if you use it much. ( lots of 
hours)

SS try $3100, and 10-15 years between rebuilds,running 12 hours per 
SS day.

Lots of maintenance too.

SS how so? Oil changes, air filter. no biggy.

A combo of solar, wind, gennies and wood will be better than putting all your 
eggs in the gennie basket.

SS True. This is the route we took. But the gennie is the big provider.

We recently installed an African Wind Power wind unit at Willie nelson's place 
and it actually makes a fair amount of electricity. AWP's units are better in 
the low wind we have here in central Texas

SS I'm jealous. I'd like one of their 1kw units.

Mel

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RE: [Biofuel] Gennies and off grid in Texas

2004-10-21 Thread Mel Riser

I do all my own installs who is They

They only people that want someone qualified is power companies giving 
rebates like here in Austin.

But at 5 per watt rebate, it more than pays for itself.

Unless you are going to grid tie, or have some planning and permits board 
breathing down your neck, no one cares.

So if I Offended with my assumptions, I am sorry.

Btw once we get the first greasecar kit on the truck, we are planning to try 
and create our own version, as I am very handy with a welder and lathe.

One of our first kits is going on John's big diesel at Ecology Action in dtown 
austin.

They are a recycling outfit and once we get him setup, we are going to put a 
grease tank in for folks to drop off their vegetable oil. We are planning on 
going to eateries and asking for the stuff as well. Most big place ( mcdonalds) 
already have a contract with Griffin industries.

But all the little mom and pop chinese and mexican shops usually don't

So...

With all that said

Good luck!! And if you run across any cheap gennies, let me know as I am in the 
market for a water cooled diesel for doing exactly what steve is doing.

On another note, I HEARD that there is a BioDiesel plant going in in bastrop.
That would be great to get a large supplier making it here in CenTex.

mel

-Original Message-
From: Kim  Garth Travis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 9:39 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Gennies and off grid in Texas


Ah, but I started the thread,  asking for help and Steve knows that I do my 
own stuff.  All of it.  One of my big complaints about solar is that they 
don't want you to do your own install.  Why should I pay someone to do what 
I can do for free?  Many of us are good scrounge artists and 
wheeler/dealers.  The prices you quoted are retail, and I never pay 
retail.  Steve is also correct in assuming that I don't plan on paying for 
fuel, why should I with the wonderful advice on this list of how to get it 
for free?

Bright Blessings,
Kim

At 08:43 AM 10/21/2004, you wrote:
Are you including the cost of the generator?

And parts when it wears out?

And you do all your own stuff, but what of folks that don't

The numbers I quoted are what we calculated for a hunting lodge in 
Mexico
that ran a big gennie every day for 20 years.

mel

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 8:20 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Gennies and off grid in Texas


Our kWh costs on the VeggieGen are running about $0.08 / kWh (fuel
filtering, expected maintenance, depreciation of capital assets). This is 
in Niagara Mohawk Power territory where electric is $0.15 / kWh delivered. 
This does not include the $15k capital expense avoided by not having power 
lines brought in, or the $40k saved on property purchase price because 
there were no powerlines.

= = = Original message = = =

It's going to cost you WAY MORE to run the gennie per kilowatt than 
buying
grid electricity.

On the order of 20 to 40 cents per kilowatt. You WILL pay for the cost 
of
solar panels in a few years of fuel, maintenance and problems with the 
mechanical generator.

I have a 20 kw propane gennie here but we only use it as a backup. I 
have
about 1300 watt of solar panels and while they ARE expensive, they are the 
easiest and cheapest in the LONG TERM

--

In my opinion a gennie should only be used as a back up to PV power 
setup
to make up for a long string of cloudy days when the batteries did not get 
fully charged I have my own 700 watt PV setup down here in Houston, 
and have never regretted it.



A combo of solar, wind, gennies and wood will be better than putting 
all
your eggs in the gennie basket.



That is good advice.. and in addition to that, I also built a
rainwater catchment system which I filter through a home made sand 
filter for household use and I have a cast iron wood comfort heater 
for heating my
home,  when necessary   http://Geocities.com/solarliving

Gig





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