Re: [Biofuel] We Need To Solve The Oil Crisis--Now

2008-04-25 Thread Mike Weaver
I have a 2002 Golf: on a flat road at 1850 rpm or about 59 mph, it gets 
close to 60 mpg.  On I 95 in the US, where it is impossible to go less than
70 mph without being killed by a trucker, the mileage drops into the 
high 40's, at 80 or so, into the low 40's.

If I had another gear (6th) I think it would do better.

-Mike

Brian Schneider wrote:

Well,
I happen to drive a VW Jetta TDI that does get good fuel milage.  I  
consistently get between 45 and 49 mpg and can go over 600 miles per  
tank of fuel.  But I do notice that my milage does drop a little when  
I am on the interstate driving the speed limit or better (to keep up  
with traffic) as compared to when I am on the back roads doing 55.
Brian
On Apr 24, 2008, at 6:33 PM, Perry Jones wrote:

  

Then mandate higher fuel efficiency in vehicles.  Oh, I know, put the
onus on the
victims as has been done throughout history.  What do you drive?  What
is your
fuel efficiency at 30 mph?  When it matches mine at 75 mph then  
talk to me.
Otherwise, this ain't one of the solutions.
Perry Jones


Brian Schneider wrote:



So then what would be the suggestion?  Sometimes laws are necessary
to help or protect those who can't or won't do it them selves.
If on a national level if lowering the speed limit 10 to 15 mph would
help decrease our dependance on foreign oil or any oil for that
matter then it should be addressed regardless of how popular or
unpopular it is.
Granted there are some laws that are nonsense, but they are necessary
because without most of them there would be utter chaos.
Brian
On Apr 24, 2008, at 1:16 PM, Chip Mefford wrote:






  

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Re: [Biofuel] This Company May Be the Biggest Threat to Your Future Health

2008-04-17 Thread Mike Weaver
Mother Jones, Utne Reader...

Keith Addison wrote:

Hi Chip

  

Keith Addison wrote:


   Sources:
Vanity Fair May 2008


Just a comment/observation;

I've been reading Vanity Fair on and off for
a few decades.

Why is their reporting -when the decide to
report on something- so staggeringly superior to
anything else we get here in the US?

has anyone else noticed this?



Yes, but not only Vanity Fair, a few others too, occasionally - 
Harpers, New Yorker, eg. Good American journalism, a real pleasure to 
read. It sure stands out by comparison, especially these days.

PR Watch ran a piece titled Media Deathwatch 10 days ago:

  

 ...newspapers are feeling even more heat, according to Eric 
Alterman. Independent, publicly traded American newspapers have 
lost forty-two per cent of their market value in the past three 
years, he writes. Most managers in the industry have reacted to 
the collapse of their business model with a spiral of budget cuts, 
bureau closings, buyouts, layoffs, and reductions in page size and 
column inches. Since 1990, a quarter of all American newspaper jobs 
have disappeared. Alterman worries that the decline of traditional 
media and the rise of citizen journalism are creating a fractured, 
chaotic world of news, characterized by superior community 
conversation but a decidedly diminished level of first-rate 
journalism.


http://www.prwatch.org/node/7187

This is Alterman's article, in the New Yorker, worth a read.

Out Of Print - The death and life of the American newspaper.
by Eric Alterman
MARCH 31, 2008
http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2008/03/31/080331fa_fact_alterman?currentPage=all

The US mainstream media have certainly disgraced themselves in the 
last few years.

And here's a nice bit of confusion for you:

Americans slam news media on believability - SACRED HEART UNIVERSITY 
NEWS January 8, 2008
Americans see:
* Growing media attempts to influence public opinion and policies
* Poor quality
* A strong liberal bent in most media
* Fox News, CNN and NBC as the most accurate
http://www.sacredheart.edu/pages/20786_americans_slam_news_media_on_believability.cfm

LOL! Dunno whether to laugh or cry... They say people get the 
government they deserve. I think maybe they get the newspapers they 
deserve too.

:-(

Best

Keith



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Re: [Biofuel] SCHOOL 1967 vs. 2007]

2008-03-28 Thread Mike Weaver
Ritalin is an upper, not a sedative. 

Kirk McLoren wrote:

 
  
  SCHOOL 1967 vs. 2007 
  
  
Scenario: Jack goes quail hunting before school, pulls into school parking 
lot with shotgun in gun rack. 

1967 - Vice principal comes over to look at Jack's shotgun. He goes to his 
car and gets his shotgun to show Jack. 
2007 - School goes into lock down, and FBI is called. Jack is hauled off to 
jail and never sees his truck or gun again. Counselors called in for 
traumatized students and teachers. 
  
  
Scenario: Johnny and M! ark get into a fistfight after school. 
  
1967 - Crowd gathers. Mark wins. Johnny and Mark shake hands and end up 
best friends. 
2007 - Police called. SWAT team arrives. Johnny and Mark are arrested and 
charged with assault. Both are expelled even though Johnny started it. 
  
  
Scenario: Jeffrey won't be still in class, disrupts other students. 

1967 - Jeffrey sent to office and given a good paddling by the principal. 
He returns to class, sits still, and does not disrupt class again. 
2007 - Jeffrey is diagnosed with ADD and given huge doses of ritalin. 
Becomes a zombie. School gets extra money from state because Jeffrey has a 
learning disability. 
  
  
Scenario: Billy breaks a window in his neighbor's car and his dad gives 
him a whipping with his belt. 

1967 - Billy is more careful next time, grows up normal, goes to college, 
and becomes a successful businessman. 
2007 - Billy's dad is arrested for child abuse. Billy is placed in foster 
care and joins a gang. State psychologist tells Billy's sister that she 
remembers being abused herself, and their dad goes to prison. Billy's mom 
has affair with psychologist. 
  
  
Scenario: Mark gets a headache and takes some aspirin to school. 

1967 - Mark shares aspirin with principal out on the smoking dock. 
2007 - Police called. Mark is expelled from school for drug violations. Car 
is searched for drugs and weapons. 
  

Scenario: Pedro fails high school English. 

1967 - Pedro goes to summer school, passes English, goes to college. 
2007 - Pedro's cause is taken up by state. Newspaper articles appear 
nationally explaining that teaching English as a requirement for graduation 
is racist. ACLU files class action lawsuit against state school system and 
Pedro's English teacher. English banned from core curriculum. Pedro is 
given a diploma anyway, but ends up mowing lawns for a living because he 
cannot speak English. 
  
  
Scenario: Johnny takes apart leftover firecrackers from 4th of July, puts 
them in a model airplane paint bottle, and blows up a red ant bed. 

1967 - Ants die. 
2007 - Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, Homeland Security, and FBI 
called. Johnny is charged with domestic terrorism. The FBI investigates 
parents; siblings are removed from home; computers confiscated Johnny's dad 
goes on a terror watch list and is never allowed to fly again. 
  
  
Scenario: Johnny falls while running during recess and scrapes his knee. He 
is found crying by his teacher, Heather. Heather hugs him to comfort him. 

1967 - In a short time, Johnny feels better and goes on playing. 
2007 - Heather is accused of being a sexual predator and loses her job. She 
faces three years in state prison. Johnny undergoes five years of therapy. 
  
  
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Re: [Biofuel] In other news. Milk labelling controvery in US

2007-12-21 Thread Mike Weaver
I happen to like pus...ever google somatic cell count + milk? ;-)


Chip Mefford wrote:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  

I have  a raw milk dairy in massachusettes, i wouldn't waste my time or money 
on calling it organic, 
if i did i may wake up one day and find i'm out of buisness . Eventually the 
public is going to figure 
out that corporate america has turned ORGANIC into another marketing gimmick. 
when you come to my 
farm you can see what the cows are eating, and you can see how they are 
eating it, and if you don't 
like what you see, go 5 miles down the road and get some organic milk at 
walmart. 



Right on!

The public is figuring it out. A lot of folks are still sketchy on raw
milk. (as opposed to whole milk). On the other hand, as I tend to split
my time between Pa, WV, and Va, neighbors of mine in the little town
where I live, in WV, know when I'm going to Pa, and have me shuttle them
raw milk when I can. We can't get raw (bovine) milk in WV commercially,
and I think it's against the rules in Va as well.

Yes, I am adding a fuel load, but it's a fuel load that's spent anyway.

A nice motto from a dairy I know up in Michigan,

Our cows are not on drugs,
  But they are on grass.

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Re: [Biofuel] October 77% OFF

2007-12-05 Thread Mike Weaver
  is like having sex with a blow-up doll.

There's no need to get personal.

Let's leave sexual preferences out of this, eh?

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

LOL.  I think not.

:-) I also think not.

Here's a case though, about Dick Cheney, I can't figure out if it's
negative growth or positive growth:

... Birds raised for canned hunts at gun clubs and in state
recreational areas are grown in packed pens -- think factory farmed
chickens -- and fitted with goggles so they won't peck each other to death
from the crowding.

When released for put and take hunters like Cheney, pen raised birds can
barely walk or fly -- or see, thanks to the goggles. They don't know how
to forage or hide in the wild and sometimes have to be kicked to fly
enough to be shot.

Some hunters say shooting the pellet-ready tame animals, which offer no
resistance, is like having sex with a blow-up doll.

But others say hunting itself is like sex with a blow-up doll and that
the 10 percent decline in hunters seen in the United States since the late
'90s -- from 14 million to about 12.5 million -- coincides exactly with
the debut of impotence drugs like Viagra.

Still for the veep to pursue his addiction to the programmed massacre of
scores of tame, pen-raised birds despite all the negative publicity it
has generated for him suggests a deep psychological disorder, writes
Gerald Schiller in the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette.

Especially since criminologists have long recognized that premeditated,
sadistic treatment of animals is a strong predictor of criminal and
homicidal violence.

-- Dick Cheney's Sadistic Passion for Shooting Tame Animals
By Martha Rosenberg, AlterNet, November 14, 2007
http://www.alternet.org/story/67663/

Heh...

Then there was this...

I've always thought Cheney was way out there - the most Voldemort-like
official I've run across. -- Maureen Dowd, A Vice President Without
Borders, Bordering on Lunacy, The New York Times Sunday 24 June 2007
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/062407F.shtml

And now you can buy Cheney Voldemort 08 bumper stickers. Not to mention
Waldemart. Voldemortising is definitely headed for sustained growth, if
not big game budgerigar hunting.

Way to go to try to bring it back on topic though...

Erm, yes, sorry.

Anyway it's just an empty virus, the virus itself got scrubbed, and the
message didn't make it to the archives, no real harm done. Can't keep them
all out or the list gets difficult to use.

So what sort of growth is sustainable? Apart from the organic veggies
people grow in their gardens and so on. Well that too, all very much
on-topic.

Best

Keith


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On Dec 4, 2007 4:22 PM, David Penfold [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  

Is such growth sustainable?



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Re: [Biofuel] The great Iraqi swindle

2007-10-20 Thread Mike Weaver
*And we keep getting richer but we can't get our picture
On the cover of the Rolling Stone

-Dr Hook
*
Kirk McLoren wrote:

  

As long as we're there, spreading freedom, the heist of the taxpayer 
 will continue.
  GW Bush believes that contractors have an inalienable right to steal our 
 money.
   
  http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/16076312/the_great_iraq_swindle
   
   


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Re: [Biofuel] The real 9/11 culprit - Winston Churchill?

2007-10-17 Thread Mike Weaver
One can find Churchill's fingerprints on just about every Western 
historical artifact, both good and bad, for the roughly the past 120 years.


Keith Addison wrote:

Meeting Mountbatten a few months after partition, Churchill assailed 
him for helping Britain's enemies, Hindustan, against Britain's 
friends, the Muslims. Little did Churchill know that his expedient 
boosting of political Islam would eventually unleash a global jihad 
engulfing even distant New York and London. The rival nationalisms 
and politicized religions the British Empire brought into being now 
clash in an enlarged geopolitical arena; and the human costs of 
imperial overreaching seem unlikely to attain a final tally for many 
more decades.

-

http://www.newyorker.com/arts/critics/books/2007/08/13/070813crbo_book 
s_mishra?printable=true
Exit Wounds: Books: The New Yorker

Books

Exit Wounds

The legacy of Indian partition.

by Pankaj Mishra August 13, 2007

Sixty years ago, on the evening of August 14, 1947, a few hours 
before Britain's Indian Empire was formally divided into the 
nation-states of India and Pakistan, Lord Louis Mountbatten and his 
wife, Edwina, sat down in the viceregal mansion in New Delhi to watch 
the latest Bob Hope movie, My Favorite Brunette. Large parts of the 
subcontinent were descending into chaos, as the implications of 
partitioning the Indian Empire along religious lines became clear to 
the millions of Hindus, Muslims, and Sikhs caught on the wrong side 
of the border. In the next few months, some twelve million people 
would be uprooted and as many as a million murdered. But on that 
night in mid-August the bloodbath-and the fuller consequences of 
hasty imperial retreat-still lay in the future, and the Mountbattens 
probably felt they had earned their evening's entertainment.

Mountbatten, the last viceroy of India, had arrived in New Delhi in 
March, 1947, charged with an almost impossible task. Irrevocably 
enfeebled by the Second World War, the British belatedly realized 
that they had to leave the subcontinent, which had spiralled out of 
their control through the nineteen-forties. But plans for brisk 
disengagement ignored messy realities on the ground. Mountbatten had 
a clear remit to transfer power to the Indians within fifteen months. 
Leaving India to God, or anarchy, as Mohandas Gandhi, the foremost 
Indian leader, exhorted, wasn't a political option, however tempting. 
Mountbatten had to work hard to figure out how and to whom power was 
to be transferred.

The dominant political party, the Congress Party, took inspiration 
from Gandhi in claiming to be a secular organization, representing 
all four hundred million Indians. But many Muslim politicians saw it 
as a party of upper-caste Hindus and demanded a separate homeland for 
their hundred million co-religionists, who were intermingled with 
non-Muslim populations across the subcontinent's villages, towns, and 
cities. Eventually, as in Palestine, the British saw partition along 
religious lines as the quickest way to the exit.

But sectarian riots in Punjab and Bengal dimmed hopes for a quick and 
dignified British withdrawal, and boded ill for India's assumption of 
power. Not surprisingly, there were some notable absences at the 
Independence Day celebrations in New Delhi on August 15th. Gandhi, 
denouncing freedom from imperial rule as a wooden loaf, had 
remained in Calcutta, trying, with the force of his moral authority, 
to stop Hindus and Muslims from killing each other. His great rival 
Mohammed Ali Jinnah, who had fought bitterly for a separate homeland 
for Indian Muslims, was in Karachi, trying to hold together the 
precarious nation-state of Pakistan.

Nevertheless, the significance of the occasion was not lost on many. 
While the Mountbattens were sitting down to their Bob Hope movie, 
India's constituent assembly was convening in New Delhi. The moment 
demanded grandiloquence, and Jawaharlal Nehru, Gandhi's closest 
disciple and soon to be India's first Prime Minister, provided it. 
Long years ago, we made a tryst with destiny, he said. At the 
stroke of the midnight hour, while the world sleeps, India will 
awaken to life and freedom. A moment comes, which comes but rarely in 
history, when we step out from the old to the new, when an age ends, 
and when the soul of a nation, long suppressed, finds utterance.

Posterity has enshrined this speech, as Nehru clearly intended. But 
today his quaint phrase tryst with destiny resonates ominously, so 
enduring have been the political and psychological scars of 
partition. The souls of the two new nation-states immediately found 
utterance in brutal enmity. In Punjab, armed vigilante groups, 
organized along religious lines and incited by local politicians, 
murdered countless people, abducting and raping thousands of women. 
Soon, India and Pakistan were fighting a war-the first of three-over 
the disputed territory of Kashmir. Gandhi, reduced to despair by the 

[Biofuel] Don't let's be beastly to the Germans

2007-10-17 Thread Mike Weaver
What I can't stand is when someone says begs the question when they 
mean raise the question.  Begging the question describes a logical 
fallacy. 

As for political hair shirt - that's too obtuse for comment.

Having survived the Allied firebombing of his native
city of Pforzheim as a child, Zundel was well familiar
with the war crimes of the hypocritical Allies and he
made it his life's work to clear the name of his own
people.  For this commendable enterprise,

Clearing Germany of culpability for the deaths of jews, Gypsies, homosexuals 
and other undesirables is indeed commendable.

Next up:  Clearing the record on slavery,  Stalin, Belgium in the Congo, war in 
Iraq, and heck, why not Darfur?

Besides,  Noel Coward is way ahead of you on Germany:

*Don't Let's Be Beastly To The Germans - Noel Coward*

Verse 1

We must be kind
And with an open mind
We must endeavour to find
A way-
To let the Germans know that when the war is over
They are not the ones who'll have to pay.
We must be sweet-
And tactful and discreet
And when they've suffered defeat
We mustn't let
Them feel upset
Or ever get
The feeling that we're cross with them or hate them,
Our future policy must be to reinstate them.

Refrain 1

Don't let's be beastly to the Germans
When our victory is ultimately won,
It was just those nasty Nazis who persuaded them to fight
And their Beethoven and Bach are really far worse than their bite
Let's be meek to them-
And turn the other cheek to them
And try to bring out their latent sense of fun.
Let's give them full air parity-
And treat the rats with charity,
But don't let's be beastly to the Hun.

Verse 2

We must be just-
And win their love and trust
And in additon we must
Be wise
And ask the conquered lands to join our hands to aid them.
That would be a wonderful surprise.
For many years-
They've been in floods of tears
Because the poor little dears
Have been so wronged and only longed
To cheat the world,
Deplete the world
And beat
The world to blazes.
This is the moment when we ought to sing their praises.

Refrain 2

Don't let's be beastly to the Germans
When we've definately got them on the run-
Let us treat them very kindly as we would a valued friend
We might send them out some Bishops as a form of lease and lend,
Let's be sweet to them-
And day by day repeat to them
That 'sterilization' simply isn't done.
Let's help the dirty swine again-
To occupy the Rhine again,
But don't let's be beastly to the Hun.

Refrain 3

Don't let's be beastly to the Germans
When the age of peace and plenty has begun.
We must send them steel and oil and coal and everything they need
For their peaceable intentions can be always guaranteed.
Let's employ with them a sort of 'strength through joy' with them,
They're better than us at honest manly fun.
Let's let them feel they're swell again and bomb us all to hell again,
But don't let's be beastly to the Hun.

Refrain 4

Don't let's be beastly to the Germans
For you can't deprive a ganster of his gun
Though they've been a little naughty to the Czechs and Poles and Dutch
But I don't suppose those countries really minded very much
Let's be free with them and share the B.B.C. with them.
We mustn't prevent them basking in the sun.
Let's soften their defeat again-and build their bloody fleet again,
But don't let's be beastly to the Hun.



Keith Addison wrote:

Hi Peter

I think Hoffman's a bit of a nutcase, or so swathed in conspiracy 
theories he might as well be one.

Anyway, IMHO, what's interesting isn't the questions themselves so 
much as the fact that it's forbidden to ask them. It's the 21st 
Century after all, not the Middle Ages anymore.

As Bob said last time around:

  

... But in fact it begs the question,
posed in items 18-20 of Santomauro's piece.
This is the nub of the matter. Why is this subject banned from discussion in
11 countries (with a 12th about to come on line i.e. the recent American
hate speech law which sailed through Congress) and why do otherwise
apparently sane and intelligent people suddenly go la-la when asked to
contemplate the anomalies?
... Over the years I have come to wonder if perhaps the Holocaust 
story has been
used to weave a political hair shirt to keep likely dissenters in line while
another holocaust - an ever-increasing obscenity of more than 50 years
standing - is pursued with even more inhuman zeal than ever fascism could
summon to its cause.



That was about this:

  

Ahmadinejad's Holocaust Problems are My Holocaust Problems
Michael Santomauro - ReportersNoteBook Sept 27, 2007


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Indeed, if you question Israel's treatment of the Palestinians, Bob's 
another holocaust, something similar happens, the Israel lobby 
gets you, in the US at least, with much the same tactics, kiss your 
reputation goodbye and probably your career too.

Because of this taboo, it's difficult or impossible to make any sense 
of what's happening in the Middle East, or of 

[Biofuel] On a lighter note...

2007-10-17 Thread Mike Weaver
Oct. 12-13, 2007 

Yesterday, Al Gore won the Nobel Peace Prize for his work with the 
environment. Then, in a stunning reversal, the Supreme Court awarded it to 
George Bush. --Amy Poehler 

I think I know why you're happy tonight ... 'cause Al Gore won the Nobel 
prize. Al Gore won the Nobel prize. Or, as President Bush announced it, 'Sweden 
is with the terrorists.' No, the president did not say that. What he said was, 
'The Nobel Prize is just a theory. It needs more study.' --Bill Maher 

You can tell Al Gore is still worrying about these kind of things. They told 
him today, 'You received the most votes.' He said, 'Yeah, who won?' --Bill 
Maher 

Congratulations to former Vice President Al Gore. He won the Nobel Peace 
Prize. ... And he did it without a single vote from Florida. --Jay Leno 

A White House spokesman said President Bush is very happy Al Gore won. Not 
Dick Cheney. Oh, no. Dick Cheney said today now he wants to bomb Norway. --Jay 
Leno 

A lot of people are now wondering if Al Gore will run for president, which 
would make it a Gore vs. Hillary Democratic primary. Kind of global warming vs. 
global cooling. --Jay Leno 

I have become such a fan of these Republican debates. There was another one 
this week. ... Mitt Romney and Giuliani went at each other. It was like 
watching a mannequin fight a Halloween costume. --Bill Maher 

And Mitt Romney was asked if he would seek congressional approval to attack 
Iran. ... He said he would check with his attorneys. Is that the right answer? 
I'm not sure. ... And then Fred Thompson said he would check with his manager 
and his publicist. That's the right answer. --Bill Maher 

This was Fred Thompson's first debate. You know, the long-awaited savior for 
the Republicans, Fred Thompson, is finally in the debates. It was a good chance 
for the voters to finally put the name with the cadaver. --Bill Maher 

Hillary Clinton ... said this week that she would negotiate with Iran. Barack 
Obama jumped on that. He said that's a flip-flop because she criticized him for 
basically saying the same thing back in July. But she said that's just her way 
of adopting something from Africa. --Bill Maher 

The people who are really getting tough with the Middle East is the House 
Foreign Relations Committee. Those motherf-- are not kidding around. They 
voted yesterday to condemn, as an act of genocide, the killings of Armenians in 
Turkey in 1915. See, this is exactly why the voters gave control to the 
Democrats. They send a stern message to the Ottoman Empire. --Bill Maher 

On the peaceful side of the equation, the Dalai Lama is coming to the United 
States next week. He's going to get the Congressional Medal of honor, meet with 
President Bush. He is going to, of course, be wearing his famous flowing orange 
robes. Nothing religious about that, he just doesn't want to get shot by 
Cheney. --Bill Maher 

Ramsey Usef, you know that name? He was the mastermind of the first World 
Trade Center attack back in '93. He's been rotting in prison -- as he should -- 
for many years. He said he's now converted to Christianity. He has seen the 
light. He can't wait to get out and bomb an abortion clinic --Bill Maher 

Congratulations to our own Matt Lauer of the 'Today Show.' Matt has secured 
the very first TV interview with Idaho Senator Larry Craig. I believe it will 
be conducted in the men's room at Rockefeller Center. ... Senator Craig said 
he's looking forward to meeting with Matt and going toe to toe. --Jay Leno 

This week, President Bush said that Congress needs to give him more power to 
spy on Americans by making changes to the Protect America Act. Did you ever 
notice they always give these pieces of legislation names you can't disagree 
with? The Protect America Act. ... Give it a fair name. At least call it the 
Ignore The Constitution Act. --Jay Leno 

On Tuesday, the Republican presidential candidates gathered in Michigan for a 
debate. The last time there were this many old white dudes in one place, Steve 
Guttenberg was trying to get them out of a swimming pool [on screen: the movie 
'Cocoon']. --Seth Meyers 

Communist Cuba paid tribute on Monday to Ernesto Che Guevara, the populist 
revolutionary and guerrilla fighter, and not, as most college students believe, 
the founder of Urban Outfitters. --Amy Poehler 




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Re: [Biofuel] The real 9/11 culprit - Winston Churchill?

2007-10-17 Thread Mike Weaver
I think Winnie was a pretty mixed bag myself.

A better question might be why the British were so anxious to go *back* 
into Iraq?  I think it was Stanley Maude ? who went stomping into 
Mesopotamia around 1916 and I don't think the Brits were out until '56 
or so.  No guarantee on those dates.


Keith Addison wrote:

Hello Mike

  

One can find Churchill's fingerprints on just about every Western
historical artifact, both good and bad, for the roughly the past 120 years.



Maybe, but that doesn't explain it away. Mishra makes some good points.

Ugly racism aside, what excuse is there for sheer ignorance?

  

According to his own Secretary of State for India, Leopold Amery, 
Churchill knew as much of the Indian problem as George III did of 
the American colonies.



Or as much as George W. Bush knew of Iraq? Iraq was also Churchill's 
doing, chucked together out of incompatible parts, despite warnings 
from people who knew better that it couldn't work. Famous Churchill 
quote: I am strongly in favour of using poison gas against 
uncivilised tribes (Iraqis). (Lawrence of Arabia agreed.)

Good and bad? Maybe you can remind me of something good about 
Churchill, I forget.

I wrote something similar to what you say about him about 25 years 
ago, not about Churchill though, it was about the British Empire - 
take just about any trouble-spot in the world and dig a little and 
you'll find something nasty the British Empire swept under the carpet 
long ago.

Divide and conquer, force folks to compete for what's theirs, turn 
peaceful differences into vicious enmities that'll fester away 
forever.

I guess one empire's much the same as another.

Best

Keith



  

Keith Addison wrote:



Meeting Mountbatten a few months after partition, Churchill assailed
him for helping Britain's enemies, Hindustan, against Britain's
friends, the Muslims. Little did Churchill know that his expedient
boosting of political Islam would eventually unleash a global jihad
engulfing even distant New York and London. The rival nationalisms
and politicized religions the British Empire brought into being now
clash in an enlarged geopolitical arena; and the human costs of
imperial overreaching seem unlikely to attain a final tally for many
more decades.

-

http://www.newyorker.com/arts/critics/books/2007/08/13/070813crbo_book
s_mishra?printable=true
Exit Wounds: Books: The New Yorker

Books

Exit Wounds

The legacy of Indian partition.

by Pankaj Mishra August 13, 2007

Sixty years ago, on the evening of August 14, 1947, a few hours
before Britain's Indian Empire was formally divided into the
nation-states of India and Pakistan, Lord Louis Mountbatten and his
wife, Edwina, sat down in the viceregal mansion in New Delhi to watch
the latest Bob Hope movie, My Favorite Brunette. Large parts of the
subcontinent were descending into chaos, as the implications of
partitioning the Indian Empire along religious lines became clear to
the millions of Hindus, Muslims, and Sikhs caught on the wrong side
of the border. In the next few months, some twelve million people
would be uprooted and as many as a million murdered. But on that
night in mid-August the bloodbath-and the fuller consequences of
hasty imperial retreat-still lay in the future, and the Mountbattens
probably felt they had earned their evening's entertainment.

Mountbatten, the last viceroy of India, had arrived in New Delhi in
March, 1947, charged with an almost impossible task. Irrevocably
enfeebled by the Second World War, the British belatedly realized
that they had to leave the subcontinent, which had spiralled out of
their control through the nineteen-forties. But plans for brisk
disengagement ignored messy realities on the ground. Mountbatten had
a clear remit to transfer power to the Indians within fifteen months.
Leaving India to God, or anarchy, as Mohandas Gandhi, the foremost
Indian leader, exhorted, wasn't a political option, however tempting.
Mountbatten had to work hard to figure out how and to whom power was
to be transferred.

The dominant political party, the Congress Party, took inspiration
  

from Gandhi in claiming to be a secular organization, representing


all four hundred million Indians. But many Muslim politicians saw it
as a party of upper-caste Hindus and demanded a separate homeland for
their hundred million co-religionists, who were intermingled with
non-Muslim populations across the subcontinent's villages, towns, and
cities. Eventually, as in Palestine, the British saw partition along
religious lines as the quickest way to the exit.

But sectarian riots in Punjab and Bengal dimmed hopes for a quick and
dignified British withdrawal, and boded ill for India's assumption of
power. Not surprisingly, there were some notable absences at the
Independence Day celebrations in New Delhi on August 15th. Gandhi,
denouncing freedom from imperial rule as a wooden loaf, had
remained in Calcutta, trying, with the force of his moral authority,

Re: [Biofuel] The real 9/11 culprit - Winston Churchill?

2007-10-17 Thread Mike Weaver
Good:
Early in his political career he worked hard to implement a minimum wage 
in England.
But probably the one thing he's rightly remembered well for is his 
refusal to capitualte to Hitler, although I think David Lloyd George 
probably got that ball rolling.  His speeches rallied Britain during WWII.
He, along with FDR, played in instumental role in defeating Nazi Germany.
Despite his myriad flaws, he was a great source of quotes.

Bad:
Rotten policy on India.
At least up until 1937, didn't seem to have much problem w/ Hitler OR 
Mussolini.
Saw no problem with the concept of an Empire.
Miseable views on race.
Had a hand in any number of bad policies...the list goes on.




Keith Addison wrote:

I think Winnie was a pretty mixed bag myself.



First you said good and bad, now you say mixed. If you can't remind 
me of something good about him, how about something that's not 
outright bad?

  

A better question might be why the British were so anxious to go *back*
into Iraq?  I think it was Stanley Maude ? who went stomping into
Mesopotamia around 1916 and I don't think the Brits were out until '56
or so.  No guarantee on those dates.



Try Geoff Simons' Iraq: From Sumer to Saddam. Anyway, the League of 
Nations awarded Britain the new mandate of Iraq as part of secret 
deals made during World War I. Ho-hum. Lots of horse-trading with 
the French, and there was this stray king who needed a kingdom 
somewhere or other. Anyway, heavy application of Churchill's usual 
hamfist, with Bomber Harris delivering prototype terror bombing raids 
on tribal villages and so on. So what's new.

Keith


  

Keith Addison wrote:



Hello Mike



  

One can find Churchill's fingerprints on just about every Western
historical artifact, both good and bad, for the roughly the past 120 years.




Maybe, but that doesn't explain it away. Mishra makes some good points.

Ugly racism aside, what excuse is there for sheer ignorance?



  

According to his own Secretary of State for India, Leopold Amery,
Churchill knew as much of the Indian problem as George III did of
the American colonies.




Or as much as George W. Bush knew of Iraq? Iraq was also Churchill's
doing, chucked together out of incompatible parts, despite warnings
  

from people who knew better that it couldn't work. Famous Churchill


quote: I am strongly in favour of using poison gas against
uncivilised tribes (Iraqis). (Lawrence of Arabia agreed.)

Good and bad? Maybe you can remind me of something good about
Churchill, I forget.

I wrote something similar to what you say about him about 25 years
ago, not about Churchill though, it was about the British Empire -
take just about any trouble-spot in the world and dig a little and
you'll find something nasty the British Empire swept under the carpet
long ago.

Divide and conquer, force folks to compete for what's theirs, turn
peaceful differences into vicious enmities that'll fester away
forever.

I guess one empire's much the same as another.

Best

Keith





  

Keith Addison wrote:





Meeting Mountbatten a few months after partition, Churchill assailed
him for helping Britain's enemies, Hindustan, against Britain's
friends, the Muslims. Little did Churchill know that his expedient
boosting of political Islam would eventually unleash a global jihad
engulfing even distant New York and London. The rival nationalisms
and politicized religions the British Empire brought into being now
clash in an enlarged geopolitical arena; and the human costs of
imperial overreaching seem unlikely to attain a final tally for many
more decades.

-

http://www.newyorker.com/arts/critics/books/2007/08/13/070813crbo_book
s_mishra?printable=true
Exit Wounds: Books: The New Yorker

Books

Exit Wounds

The legacy of Indian partition.

by Pankaj Mishra August 13, 2007

Sixty years ago, on the evening of August 14, 1947, a few hours
before Britain's Indian Empire was formally divided into the
nation-states of India and Pakistan, Lord Louis Mountbatten and his
wife, Edwina, sat down in the viceregal mansion in New Delhi to watch
the latest Bob Hope movie, My Favorite Brunette. Large parts of the
subcontinent were descending into chaos, as the implications of
partitioning the Indian Empire along religious lines became clear to
the millions of Hindus, Muslims, and Sikhs caught on the wrong side
of the border. In the next few months, some twelve million people
would be uprooted and as many as a million murdered. But on that
night in mid-August the bloodbath-and the fuller consequences of
hasty imperial retreat-still lay in the future, and the Mountbattens
probably felt they had earned their evening's entertainment.

Mountbatten, the last viceroy of India, had arrived in New Delhi in
March, 1947, charged with an almost impossible task. Irrevocably
enfeebled by the Second World War, the British belatedly realized
that they had to leave the subcontinent, which had spiralled out of

Re: [Biofuel] Don't let's be beastly to the Germans

2007-10-17 Thread Mike Weaver
Thanks, I thought so.

These are 18-20 of Santomauro's piece.Which question(s) are you asking?

18) Why has Holocaust Revisionism been criminalized in at least eleven 
countries…what other historic truth needs the threat of prison or the 
destruction of one's career to maintain itself. Should someone be sent 
to prison for expressing skepticism about the official Chinese claim 
that they suffered thirty-five million dead in World War II.

19) Why do the court historians insist that denying the Holocaust is 
like denying slavery or saying the earth is flat when it is nothing of 
the sort. The leading Revisionists are first rate scholars who hold 
advanced degrees from the world's leading universities. Is there anyone 
comparable among those who say the world is flat or that slavery never 
existed?

20) Promoters of the Holocaust have expressed concerns about the 
remembering the Holocaust once the last survivors die. Why haven't Civil 
War historians expressed similar concerns since the last survivor of 
that conflict died in 1959?





Keith Addison wrote:

Hello Mike

Nice bit bit of ol' wartime jingoism you dragged up there eh? That'll 
help a lot.

What it doesn't help do though is hide the fact that for all this 
flailing about you still haven't answered the question, since it was 
you Bob put it to in the first place. So I'll ask it again, right 
here at the top:

  

... But in fact it begs the question,
posed in items 18-20 of Santomauro's piece.
This is the nub of the matter. Why is this subject banned from 


discussion in


11 countries (with a 12th about to come on line i.e. the recent American
hate speech law which sailed through Congress) and why do otherwise
apparently sane and intelligent people suddenly go la-la when asked to
contemplate the anomalies?
... Over the years I have come to wonder if perhaps the Holocaust
story has been
used to weave a political hair shirt to keep likely dissenters in 


line while


another holocaust - an ever-increasing obscenity of more than 50 years
standing - is pursued with even more inhuman zeal than ever fascism could
summon to its cause.



Last time you said this:

  

What's next? A cut and paste proof
that global warming is a hoax?  The war in Iraq is about liberation?
Apartheid didn't happen?



This time:

  

Next up:  Clearing the record on slavery,  Stalin, Belgium in the 
Congo, war in Iraq, and heck, why not Darfur?



Why not Palestine?

Whether begged or raised, why not drop all the obfuscation and just 
answer the question?

Best

Keith



  

What I can't stand is when someone says begs the question when they
mean raise the question.  Begging the question describes a logical
fallacy.

As for political hair shirt - that's too obtuse for comment.

Having survived the Allied firebombing of his native
city of Pforzheim as a child, Zundel was well familiar
with the war crimes of the hypocritical Allies and he
made it his life's work to clear the name of his own
people.  For this commendable enterprise,

Clearing Germany of culpability for the deaths of jews, Gypsies, 
homosexuals and other undesirables is indeed commendable.

Next up:  Clearing the record on slavery,  Stalin, Belgium in the 
Congo, war in Iraq, and heck, why not Darfur?

Besides,  Noel Coward is way ahead of you on Germany:

*Don't Let's Be Beastly To The Germans - Noel Coward*

Verse 1

We must be kind
And with an open mind
We must endeavour to find
A way-
To let the Germans know that when the war is over
They are not the ones who'll have to pay.
We must be sweet-
And tactful and discreet
And when they've suffered defeat
We mustn't let
Them feel upset
Or ever get
The feeling that we're cross with them or hate them,
Our future policy must be to reinstate them.

Refrain 1

Don't let's be beastly to the Germans
When our victory is ultimately won,
It was just those nasty Nazis who persuaded them to fight
And their Beethoven and Bach are really far worse than their bite
Let's be meek to them-
And turn the other cheek to them
And try to bring out their latent sense of fun.
Let's give them full air parity-
And treat the rats with charity,
But don't let's be beastly to the Hun.

Verse 2

We must be just-
And win their love and trust
And in additon we must
Be wise
And ask the conquered lands to join our hands to aid them.
That would be a wonderful surprise.
For many years-
They've been in floods of tears
Because the poor little dears
Have been so wronged and only longed
To cheat the world,
Deplete the world
And beat
The world to blazes.
This is the moment when we ought to sing their praises.

Refrain 2

Don't let's be beastly to the Germans
When we've definately got them on the run-
Let us treat them very kindly as we would a valued friend
We might send them out some Bishops as a form of lease and lend,
Let's be sweet to them-
And day by day repeat to them
That 'sterilization' simply isn't done.
Let's help the dirty swine again-
To occupy the 

Re: [Biofuel] Don't let's be beastly to the Germans

2007-10-17 Thread Mike Weaver
 into you so harshly.  Looking at the original post, 
I clearly made an error in assuming the line Ahmadinejad's Holocaust 
Problems are My Holocaust Problems  was yours.  I see now that it was 
the original author's.   But I will say I didn't really see the point in 
posting the piece in the first place - you're clearly able to string 
words and thoughts together - a few minute's research and you could have 
debunked it yourself.

And finally, thank you for your gracious invitation; next time I make it 
to the Southern Hemisphere we can hoist a few and no doubt settle the 
Middle East question in record time.

Best regards,

Mike Weaver





Bob Molloy wrote:

Hi Mike,
Greetings and felicitations from Godzone. Loved your Noel
Coward piece. Wasn't he the bloke who also bracketed mad dogs and
Englishmen? Hmmm, perhaps we're dealing with satire here. Not the best basis
for clarity in any discussion.

Re points 18-20 of Santomauro's article: they boil down to a single issue -
that the word holocaust (originally meaning major destruction by fire) has
been expropriated to serve a single meaning: the Shoah or mass murder of
European Jewry by the Nazis (note: I didn't say the Germans) between 1936
and 1945.
Hence mention of the Holocaust (note: I didn't use the correct word Shoah
because it is meaningless to most people) evokes emotions of both sympathy
and guilt in non-Jewish western communities. Such emotions can be, and are,
focused for political purposes.

Among them is the need by Zionists (note: I did not say Jews, there is a
very clear difference) to cover their crimes and misdeeds in the Middle
East, not least being the Nakba or genocide of Palistinians and
expropriation of their property during and after the formation of the
present State of Israel, and also the ongoing war of attrition in which
thousands of Palestinians and Lebanese have lost their lives.
Such crimes, if committed by any other nation, would bring major world
condemnation if not actual military intervention as in the case of Serbia.

Thus the holocaust is the notional hairshirt, the red herring if you like,
which serves to keep the non-Jewish westerner in a state of unease and
indecision when he or she dares to question Zionist politics or their
criminally insane foreign policy. In brief: the Holocaust and criticism of
Zionism are conflated into a single issue so that the emotions generated by
the one serve to cover the crimes of the other.
The second and perhaps most succesful part of this semantic sleight of hand
is that criticism of Zionism is then seen as rejection of Judaism or
anti-semitism. Of course, once you have released the anti-semitism beast
into any debate all logical discussion comes to a halt.

Recommended background reading: My Israel Question by Anthony Loewenstein,
Melbourne University Press, 2006. Also - if you have a strong stomach -
Google Nakba and read the first few entries. Then Google B'Tselem, the
Jewish (note, I didn't say Zionist) peace group located in Tel Aviv. That
should keep you  queasily reading for a least a month, after which we can
talk about Noel Coward - a subject easier to digest.

Alternately come and visit me here in the stunning Bay of Islands where if I
turn off my computer, throw the telly out of the window, stop all the
papers, toss a few rods and some beers into the boat, and raise sail I can
truly believe we live in Paradise.

Best wishes Mike,
Bob.



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Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 9:31 AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Don't let's be beastly to the Germans


Thanks, I thought so.

These are 18-20 of Santomauro's piece.Which question(s) are you asking?

18) Why has Holocaust Revisionism been criminalized in at least eleven
countries…what other historic truth needs the threat of prison or the
destruction of one's career to maintain itself. Should someone be sent
to prison for expressing skepticism about the official Chinese claim
that they suffered thirty-five million dead in World War II.

19) Why do the court historians insist that denying the Holocaust is
like denying slavery or saying the earth is flat when it is nothing of
the sort. The leading Revisionists are first rate scholars who hold
advanced degrees from the world's leading universities. Is there anyone
comparable among those who say the world is flat or that slavery never
existed?

20) Promoters of the Holocaust have expressed concerns about the
remembering the Holocaust once the last survivors die. Why

Re: [Biofuel] Twentynine steps to the unthinkable

2007-09-29 Thread Mike Weaver
Bob Molloy wrote:

Gee Bob, thanks for posting this.  What's next?  A cut and paste proof 
that global warming is a hoax?  The war in Iraq is about liberation?  
Apartheid didn't happen?
It's one thing to be as ignorant as you are; it's quite another thing to 
wave it about so proudly.  When you do learn to read with getting smudge 
marks on your computer screen from using your finger, I urge you to do a 
little reseach before you post these moronic bleatings.

You're a bird brain, and I mean that as an insult to the birds.

-Mike Weaver

1) Why did Elie Wiesel and countless other Jews survive the Holocaust if it was 
the intention of the Third Reich to eliminate every Jew they got there hands 
on? Elie was a prisoner for several years; other Jews survived even longer. 
Most of these ''survivors'' were ordinary people who did not have any unique 
expertise that the Germans could have exploited for their war effort. There was 
no logical reason for them to be kept alive. The very existence of more than a 
million survivors even today, some sixty years later, contradicts one of the 
basic components of the Holocaust i.e. that the Germans had a policy to 
eliminate every Jew they got their hands on. 

Nice try, but not true:  Hitler would have been perfectly happy to just
kick the Jews out of of Germany.  The West didn't want them; in fact
Roosevelt turn back the St. Loius in 1939.  Hitler's desire to
completely exterminate Jewry came later.

2) Why is their no mention of the Holocaust in Churchill's six volume History 
of the Second World War or the wartime memoirs of either De Gaulle or 
Eisenhower or any of the other lesser luminaries who wrote about the Second 
World War. Keep in mind all these were written years after the war ended and 
thus after the Holocaust had been allegedly proven by the Nuremberg Trials? 
With regard to the Holocaust, the silence of these  cognoscenti  is 
deafening! 


Big whoop. Uh, all this proves is that Churchill did not write about the 
fate of the Jews in his memoirs. As for DeGaulle, if one starts to look 
for errors and fabrications, it's hard to know where to stop. Again, 
useless as proof.
If haven't read Eisenhower, but as i recall, he was not in Germany in 
the late 30's and early 40's.

Reading in July 1944 the first detailed account of Auschwitz, Churchill 
wrote:

'There is no doubt this is the most horrible crime ever committed in
the whole history of the world, and it has been done by scientific
machinery by nominally civilised men in the name of a great State
and one of the leading races of Europe. It is quite clear that all
concerned in this crime who may fall into our hands, including the
people who only obeyed orders by carrying out the butcheries, should
be put to death after their association with the murders has been
proved.'

3) What was an inmate infirmary (and a brothel) doing in Auschwitz if in fact 
it was a death camp? 

Do you a cititian for this?

4) Why would the Germans round up Jews from their far flung empire, thereby 
tying up large numbers of personnel and rolling stock, while fighting a world 
war on two fronts to deliver people to ''death camps'' hundreds of miles away 
who were then executed upon arrival.wouldn't a bullet on the spot have appealed 
to legendary German sense of efficiency? 

Another brilliant point.  Good lord, you're smart.  Why would Hitler invade 
Russia?  Why would Hitler provoke the US?  Maybe, just maybe, your hero might 
have been just a tiny bit unhinged?  One of Herr Hitler's many lunatic actions.

5) Why after sixty years have historians been unable to come up with a single 
German document that points to a Holocaust? Should we believe the likes of Raul 
Hilberg that in the place of written orders there was an incredible meeting of 
the minds by the literally tens of thousands of people who would have had to 
coordinate their actions in order to carry out an undertaking of this 
magnitude. 

There is plenty of documentation.  You can read it yourself.  Try not to get 
crayon marks on them, Bob.
  

Speech by *Adolf Hitler*, January 31, 1939.
Trials of War Criminals Before the Nuremberg Military Tribunals -
Washington, U.S. Govt. Print. Off., 1949-1953, Vol XIII, p. 131:

Today I will once more be a prophet: If the international Jewish
financiers in and outside Europe should succeed in plunging the
nations once more into a world war, then the result will not be the
bolshevization of the earth, and thus the victory of Jewry, but the
annihilation of the Jewish race in Europe!

*Adolph Hitler* speaking to a crowd at the Sports Palace in Berlin,
30 January 1942.
Quoted in The Holocaust, by Martin Gilbert, Holt, Rinehart and
Winston, NY, 1985, p. 285. Text as monitored by the Foreign
Broadcast Monitoring Service, Federal Communications Commission.

And we say that the war will not end as the Jews imagine it will,
namely

Re: [Biofuel] Volkswagon Rabbit and Cummings 5.9 Diesel

2007-09-25 Thread Mike Weaver
I added a clear in-line fuel filter ahead on the big expensive filter 
and have 60k on the car.  I've replaced the cheap filter a few times
3 minuts and 3.99.  I did replace the big filter at 59k - it was 
somewhat mucky and had some water but worked fine.


Michael Miller wrote:

Both engines will run B100. It is the fuel system that will eventually need
repairs. A sudden switch to the clean biodiesel fuel will result in a
thorough cleaning out of the existing crud in the fuel system, which will
end up in the fuel filter. So, plan for it, and have a spare filter on hand.

In the near term future any rubber components of the fuel system will
dissolve and begin to leak. I have a '92 Chevy 6.2L with no modifications at
all. It has been burning blends of biodiesel for two years with no leaks,
but I will not be surprised when they start. On the other hand a leak is
easy to discover and makes finding the failed part easy to identify.

I live in northern Wisconsin. Making biodiesel from waste vegetable oil does
not make as good a fuel as from virgin oil. It is possible, but requires a
lot more time to wash and dry, and I still end up with a fuel that is not
usable in temps below 30F. From experience I now begin blending when the
overnight lows reach 40F. When the overnight lows reach 30F I am at a 50%
blend, and by 0F I do not use any biodiesel. But days of below zero temps
are not many. I only purchased one tank of all petro-diesel last winter.

Last winter my truck failed to start three separate times, and each time
required a tow to a heated garage to thaw out. However, in defense of
biodiesel I need to admit that each time it failed to start we found a
needed repair on the truck. The first failure we discovered the glow plug
relay was not cycling properly, the second failure, we found the fuel heater
was not cycling on at all, and the third failure we found the circuit I use
to plug in the engine block heater was tripped (bad extension cord). So I
can blame biodiesel for last year's problems. We will see this winter if my
diesel ownership skills have improved.

Bottom line, go for it. You will learn what you need as you go.

Michael



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Hello List,
  I just purchased a 1984 Rabbit. Also a friend has a 1989 Dodge with a
5.9 turbo diesel Cummings engine.

  Are they any modification needed to these cars before running
bio-diesel?  We live in upstate NY, so I assume B100 would not work in the
winter.  What is a suggested mixture (i.e. B75 or B50)?

  Thanks,
  Tony Marzolino


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Re: [Biofuel] OECD warns against biofuels subsidies

2007-09-11 Thread Mike Weaver
We probably ought to phase subsidies to petroluem produces are well ;-)


Keith Addison wrote:

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/e780d216-5fd5-11dc-b0fe-779fd2ac.html
FT.com / World -

OECD warns against biofuels subsidies

By Andrew Bounds in Brussels

Published: September 10 2007 22:28 | Last updated: September 10 2007 22:28

Governments need to scrap subsidies for biofuels, as the current rush 
to support alternative energy sources will lead to surging food 
prices and the potential destruction of natural habitats, the 
Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development will warn on 
Tuesday.

The OECD will say in a report to be discussed by ministers on Tuesday 
that politicians are rigging the market in favour of an untried 
technology that will have only limited impact on climate change.

The current push to expand the use of biofuels is creating 
unsustainable tensions that will disrupt markets without generating 
significant environmental benefits, say the authors of the study, a 
copy of which has been obtained by the Financial Times.

The survey says biofuels would cut energy-related emissions by 3 per 
cent at most. This benefit would come at a huge cost, which would 
swiftly make them unpopular among taxpayers.

The study estimates the US alone spends $7bn (?5bn) a year helping 
make ethanol, with each tonne of carbon dioxide avoided costing more 
than $500. In the EU, it can be almost 10 times that.

It says biofuels could lead to some damage to the environment. As 
long as environmental values are not adequately priced in the market, 
there will be powerful incentives to replace natural eco-systems such 
as forests, wetlands and pasture with dedicated bio-energy crops, it 
says.

The report recommends governments phase out biofuel subsidies, using 
technology-neutral carbon taxes instead to allow the market to find 
the most efficient ways of reducing greenhouse gases.

Such policies will more effectively stimulate regulatory and market 
incentives for efficient technologies, it said.

The study, prepared for the OECD's round table on sustainable 
development, will be discussed in Paris on Tuesday and on Wednesday 
by ministers and representatives of a dozen governments, including 
the US. Also attending will be Ángel Gurría, the OECD 
secretary-general, scientists, business representatives and 
non-governmental organisations.

The survey puts a question mark over the European Union's plan to 
derive 10 per cent of transport fuel from plants by 2020. It says 
money saved from phasing out subsidies should fund research into 
so-called second-generation fuels, which are being developed to use 
waste products and so emit less CO2 when they are made.

Today, only three kinds of biofuels are preferable to oil, the study 
says: Brazilian sugar, which converts easily to ethanol, the 
by-products of paper-making, and used vegetable oil.

The EU has said only biofuels that meet as yet undefined standards 
for sustainability will count towards its target to get a tenth of 
transport fuel from plants by 2020. Tariff discrimination on 
sustainability grounds is illegal under World Trade Organisation 
rules and the authors call for talks at the WTO to set up a global 
certification scheme.

Adrian Bebb, biofuels campaigner with Friends of the Earth said: The 
OECD is right to warn against throwing ourselves headfirst down the 
agrofuels path.

Copyright The Financial Times Limited 2007


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Re: [Biofuel] Who owns you Americans?

2007-09-06 Thread Mike Weaver
Bigger car bigger house

Matiss Lazdins wrote:

So what do we have to live for? subsistence is what I am aiming for.

  



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[Biofuel] Smashing Capitalism

2007-08-27 Thread Mike Weaver
Smashing Capitalism

Barbara Ehrenreich
August 20, 2007

Somewhere in the Hamptons a high-roller is cursing his cleaning lady and
shaking his fists at the lawn guys. The American poor, who are usually
tactful enough to remain invisible to the multi-millionaire class, suddenly
leaped onto the scene and started smashing the global financial system.
Incredibly enough, this may be the first case in history in which the
downtrodden manage to bring down an unfair economic system without going to
the trouble of a revolution.

First they stopped paying their mortgages, a move in which they were joined
by many financially stretched middle class folks, though the poor definitely
led the way. All right, these were trick mortgages, many of them designed to
be unaffordable within two years of signing the contract. There were NINJA
loans, for example, awarded to people with no income, no job or assets.
Conservative columnist Niall Fergusen laments the low levels of economic
literacy that allowed people to be exploited by sub-prime loans. Why didn't
these low-income folks get lawyers to go over the fine print? And don't they
have personal financial advisors anyway?

Then, in a diabolically clever move, the poor - a category which now roughly
coincides with the working class - stopped shopping. Both Wal-Mart and Home
Depot announced disappointing second quarter performances, plunging the
market into another Arctic-style meltdown. H. Lee Scott, CEO of the
low-wage Wal-Mart empire, admitted with admirable sensitivity, that it's no
secret that many customers are running out of money at the end of the
month.

I wish I could report that the current attack on capitalism represents a
deliberate strategy on the part of the poor, that there have been secret
meetings in break rooms and parking lots around the country, where cell
leaders issued instructions like, You, Vinny - don't make any mortgage
payment this month. And Caroline, forget that back-to-school shopping, OK?
But all the evidence suggests that the current crisis is something the
high-rollers brought down on themselves.

When, for example, the largest private employer in America, which is
Wal-Mart, starts experiencing a shortage of customers, it needs to take a
long, hard look in the mirror. About a century ago, Henry Ford realized that
his company would only prosper if his own workers earned enough to buy
Fords. Wal-Mart, on the other hand, never seemed to figure out that its
cruelly low wages would eventually curtail its own growth, even at the
company's famously discounted prices.

The sad truth is that people earning Wal-Mart-level wages tend to favor the
fashions available at the Salvation Army. Nor do they have much use for
Wal-Mart's other departments, such as Electronics, Lawn and Garden, and
Pharmacy.

It gets worse though. While with one hand the high-rollers, H. Lee Scott
among them, squeezed the American worker's wages, the other hand was
reaching out with the tempting offer of credit. In fact, easy credit became
the American substitute for decent wages. Once you worked for your money,
but now you were supposed to pay for it. Once you could count on earning
enough to save for a home. Now you'll never earn that much, but, as the
lenders were saying - heh, heh-do we have a mortgage for you!

Pay day loans, rent-to-buy furniture and exorbitant credit card interest
rates for the poor were just the beginning. In its May 21st cover story on
The Poverty Business, Business Week documented the stampede, in the just
the last few years, to lend money to the people who could least afford to
pay the interest: Buy your dream home! Refinance your house! Take on a car
loan even if your credit rating sucks! Financiamos a Todos! Somehow, no one
bothered to figure out where the poor were going to get the money to pay for
all the money they were being offered.

Personally, I prefer my revolutions to be a little more pro-active. There
should be marches and rallies, banners and sit-ins, possibly a nice color
theme like red or orange. Certainly, there should be a vision of what you
intend to replace the bad old system with-European-style social democracy,
Latin American-style socialism, or how about just American capitalism with
some regulation thrown in?

Global capitalism will survive the current credit crisis; already, the
government has rushed in to soothe the feverish markets. But in the long
term, a system that depends on extracting every last cent from the poor
cannot hope for a healthy prognosis. Who would have thought that
foreclosures in Stockton and Cleveland would roil the markets of London and
Shanghai? The poor have risen up and spoken; only it sounds less like a
shout of protest than a low, strangled, cry of pain.

http://ehrenreich.blogs.com/barbaras_blog/2007/08/smashing-capita.html 
http://ehrenreich.blogs.com/barbaras_blog/2007/08/smashing-capita.html

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[Biofuel] Iraq corruption whistleblowers face penalties

2007-08-25 Thread Mike Weaver
One after another, the men and women who have stepped forward to report 
corruption in the massive effort to rebuild Iraq have been vilified, 
fired and demoted.

Or worse.

For daring to report illegal arms sales, Navy veteran Donald Vance says 
he was imprisoned by the American military in a security compound 
outside Baghdad and subjected to harsh interrogation methods.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20430153/

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Re: [Biofuel] Dick Cheney is right

2007-08-17 Thread Mike Weaver
It was the first time I'd seen it...

Doug Younker wrote:

Respectfully this is old news.  Americans ignored it when it was trotted 
out before the run up to the Iraq invasion.  Even with the fact his 
words have proven true, I doubt that many more Americans are going to 
care today. I don't believe it would change things if there where. 
This Administration is suicidally stubborn and this Congress is too 
timid to figuratively grab the administration by the lapels and throw it 
against a wall and proceed to pound some sense into it.
Doug, N0LKK
Kansas USA inc.

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[Biofuel] Bloody outrage

2007-08-17 Thread Mike Weaver
My Encounter with [Insert Scary Music] ... Socialized Medicine!

My foot had been sore for a couple of weeks and it wasn’t getting 
better. I usually would ignore that, but we were about to leave on a 
two-week vacation with my wife Joy’s parents to celebrate both of our 
big anniversaries (their 50th and our 10th). Then I have to fly to 
Singapore for the World Vision triennial conference. So I wouldn’t be 
back home for many weeks and my Washington, D.C., health care provider 
(over the phone) strongly urged me to see a doctor in London before we left.
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I realized then that I was about to have my first encounter with 
SOCIALIZED MEDICINE! Now it’s one thing to advocate health care reform 
in America and even to be politically sympathetic to the idea of a 
single-payer government-supported system like they have in most of the 
world’s developed and civilized countries (such as Canada, Germany, and 
Great Britain). But it was another thing to actually go to the emergency 
room (or ER, but in the U.K. they call it Accident and Emergency) of a 
hospital in the British National Health Service. After all, I had heard 
the horror stories—long waits in incompetent, dirty, and substandard 
medical facilities; bad doctors and faulty diagnoses; and, of course, 
incredible bureaucracies like everything in socialist systems. Rush 
Limbaugh and every other conservative pundit have warned us all in 
America about the horrific practices of British socialized medicine.
So I prepared myself. I brought a big novel to read, along with my 
eyeglasses, a bottle of water (no telling what they would not have in 
socialized medicine), and emotionally steeled myself for the ordeal. Ann 
Stevens, the Anglican vicar with whom we stay in London (she’s my son 
Luke’s godmother and Joy’s old pal) took me to St. George’s hospital, 
dropped me off at A and E, and wished me luck at 9 a.m. Hoping I would 
be home that night for dinner, I took a deep breath, walked across the 
street, and made my way into socialized medicine.
The waiting room was actually quite peaceful and not crowded, I noticed, 
as I walked up to reception. The woman at the reception desk smiled. I 
didn’t expect that. Can I help you? Yes, I replied, you see, I am 
an American—I guess you can tell—and I’m visiting family here—my wife is 
British—and we’re staying with our friend the vicar, and I have a sore 
foot, which I normally wouldn’t worry about but we’re going away for 
several weeks on vacation, and I called my health care provider in the 
U.S., and they told me to come in here and thought I should get an X-ray 
or something. (I wondered for a moment if it would help to tell them 
that I was a friend of the prime minister, but decided not.) What do 
you need from me? I asked hesitantly. Just your name and address, she 
replied with another smile. Oh ... Okay. She told me it would be about 
10 minutes to see the nurse. Yeah right, I thought to myself.
I settled into the waiting room chair, looked around at all the people 
who didn’t seem to be in any distress, and opened my book for a good 
long read. It was five minutes before the nurse called me in to a little 
office adjacent to the waiting area, which seemed to be an intake room. 
She was pleasant and professional as she asked me what was wrong, and 
how long I had felt the soreness. She gently examined my foot and then 
told me I would be called in to see a doctor in about 10 minutes. Sure 
thing, I thought. So I went back out to the waiting room and settled in 
again to read my novel.
It was five minutes before a young woman appeared and called my name, 
Mr. Wallis? She was a young Asian doctor named Dr. Gillian Kyei. She 
was also very pleasant and professional, taking time to ask me lots of 
questions about how I might have hurt my foot, etc. She examined the 
injured foot carefully, told me that it didn’t necessarily look broken, 
but that we should get an X-ray to make sure. I waited in her examining 
room for a couple of minutes while she called down to the X-ray 
department to say that I was on the way. Then she came back and escorted 
me herself.
When I got to X-ray, I checked in by just saying my name and took a seat 
in the waiting area. Finally, I was going to get to read my book! But 
five minutes later, the technician came out to bring me in. She took her 
time with me, taking several different angles of my foot. When I was 
done, she sent me back to my young doctor, with another smile.
This time the wait was a full 10 minutes because, I later learned, Dr. 
Kyei was reading the results of my X-ray, which had already been sent to 
her computer. She showed me what looked to her like a fracture of my 
fourth metatarsal bone, but said she wanted to consult with the 
orthopedic specialist. I waited about 10 minutes more while she did that 
and so got a few more pages read.
Dr. Kyei then came 

Re: [Biofuel] Bloody outrage

2007-08-17 Thread Mike Weaver
Bush says we can have both the most expensive military in the world AND 
huge tax cuts for the wealthiest.

So there.

swalms wrote:

 So stay in Uruguay!

  

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 Hi Mike and all,

 Folks in America can't have everything. There have to be priorities. 
 You can have the most expensive military in the world chasing ghosts 
 or you can have national healthcare. Now in Uruguay I pay some pretty 
 heavy taxes but everyone has healthcare. My prescriptions are U$5.00 
 each. They cost 10 times that in the states but at least there I can 
 get frisked by airport security and photographed by a multitude of 
 hidden cameras for my taxes. Now that's value. :-

 Tom Irwin 


 

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Re: [Biofuel] Bloody outrage

2007-08-17 Thread Mike Weaver
I think Mr. Rush Limbaugh knows a little more than you do about 
prescriptions, Mr. Smarty pants Canadian.

Just how many Percocet prescriptions can you get from you family 
physician ? Eh? Eh?

Probably none.

That's why USA is #1!


robert rabello wrote:



 - Original Message -
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 Date: Friday, August 17, 2007 5:05 am
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  My Encounter with [Insert Scary Music] ... Socialized Medicine!

 Gasp!

 snip
  I was back at Ann’s in just over an hour from
  when I left—with my letter, my boot, and my tale of smiling, pleasant,
  and  efficient health care workers. And somehow I began to believe
  that back in America we weren’t being given the whole truth. And guess
  what? Ann tells me that David Beckham and Wayne Rooney, the biggest
  British soccer (football) stars, have had metatarsal bone fractures, 
 just like
  mine. In about six weeks, I too will be back on the field, thanks to
  socialized medicine!


 I've lived under both systems, and there is NO WAY that I would ever 
 desire to return to America's free market medicine.  The system in 
 the US works well if you have a lot of money, a category I have never 
 fit into, and therefore did not have a good experience with health 
 care in my own country, but here in Canada, when I have a medical 
 issue I simply go to my family physician.

 Rush Limbaugh and the other ranting lunatics have it wrong, as usual . . .

 robert luis rabello



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Re: [Biofuel] Bloody outrage

2007-08-17 Thread Mike Weaver
I agree - my folks were overseas for a year and the NHS saw my old man 
thru 2 big problems just fine.

I think the US system is great...if you happen to be rich.

Nobody in the US knows how the NHS or any other European system works:
They always bleat: But I don't want the Government telling me which 
doctor to see.  I always point out that that's not true anywhere there is
socialized medicine; there is a thriving health insurance industry in 
the EU, and no policeman will arrest you for walking into Dr. Jone's office,
seeing him and then paying the bill.  Just like you can do here.

The right has brain-washed to US to believe they'll forced into health 
collectives and shot if they leave.

Where I live we have socialized trash pick up, for heaven's sake.

But not to worry, we're catching up to the UK fast when it comes to 
video spying...

-Mike




malcolm maclure wrote:

Hi Mike,  all.

Glad your experience was Ok. I'm in the UK  a few years ago my dad had a
nasty stroke, he waited on an ambulance trolley in AE for 7 hrs for a bed
in a ward,  he devoted his working life to the NHS as a brilliant
ophthalmologist! 

I do have to say that sometimes our NHS may not be perfect all the time, but
we are damn lucky to have it. I've used AE a good few times  I'm glad it's
there - I can't imagine living with the US system, it seems so elitist. The
US spends trillions of $'s warmongering  yet it can't provide healthcare
for all, a basic human right it purports to promote. No offence to you at
all Mike, but I'm glad I'm British ( there are a lot of things British that
I'm not proud of) I wouldn't like the way the US behaves in the world on our
collective conscience.  

Best regards

Malcolm  

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Re: [Biofuel] Weapons of mass destruction finally found

2007-08-16 Thread Mike Weaver
I'm surprised and disappointed at this.  It's totally false and 
misleading.  The US has NEVER lost AK-47's in Iraq.
We lose much better weapons.  AK-47's are junk compared to the hardware 
WE'VE lost track off.

If you're going to just fling around anti-Americanism, PLEASE get the 
facts straight.

Jeez,

-'Merika


Keith Addison wrote:

Hello Lee

  

It now becomes clear, Bush was right on the money. There are weapons 
of mass destruction and they are still being developed and deployed.



US nuclear weapons being the main example, and I guess the 190,000 
guns the US lost in Iraq would also qualify, in sheer number if not 
in scale, especially when it emerges that the holy US military shoots 
250,000 bullets for every alleged insurgent they kill.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/story/0,,2146645,00.html
Oh well. At least losing all those AK-47s builds a market
Saturday August 11, 2007
The Guardian

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/article314944.ece
US forced to import bullets from Israel as troops use 250,000 for 
every rebel killed - Independent Online Edition  Americas
26 July 2007

But I get your meaning. It's just that if you're looking for WMDs and 
people who're ready to use them it's long been the case that 
Washington's the first place to look. In fact that applies to your 
meaning for the term here too, the world capital of dangerous and 
rash behaviour is Washington.

  

The developing countries are following the path of the developed  world



I don't think so. Some of them are, but even then it's only in part. 
India is an industrialised nation but it's also an agrarian society, 
and a traditional one, with its own values that don't necessarily 
just collapse into those of California wannabes as soon as they see 
some Golden Arches and a bottle of Coke. Just as often there's active 
resistance.

To say that their most powerful members, India, China, Brazil and 
South Africa, are following the path of the developed world would be 
a gross simplification.

And developed is a very questionable definition, almost Orwellian. 
Blind addiction to self-destructive and generally destructive 
behaviour is not exactly developed. Better to call them the 
industrialised nations.

Anyway the world isn't really made up of nations, that's just a state 
of mind, a sour ferment of the new wine of democracy in the old 
bottles of tribalism. Useful for rulers.

  

and mass producing greenhouse gasses and other pollutants with 
technology we all know we should no longer be using. As their 
ability  to afford more and consume increases, their medical systems 
improve  their population will boom, compounding the effect.



On the contrary, the evidence shows that as people's economic 
situation improves, as soon as they're not too poverty-stricken to 
feed their children, their breeding rate slows right down.

The surefire way to do that is to empower the women, and especially 
to educate the women.

But the usual wealth creation method of improving people's economic 
situation generally just extracts wealth, removes it and concentrates 
it in the hands of the few, leaving more poverty in its wake. There 
are better ways.

  

Have we as a species, reached or exceeded the sustainable population 
for our planet?



It depends how big your feet are. I said this here the other day:

  

... There is NO shortage of food, and there is NO shortage of money, 
in fact there's more of both, PER CAPITA, than there's ever been 
before. Nor is the human eco-footprint outsized, except for some of 
it, which - surprise! - you'll find in exactly the same places where 
you'll find all the money, all the food, and all the silly ideas too 
that we're a cancer on the face of the planet and a few billion of 
us are just going to have to die, pity, but at least it's not us 
because we're not poor and starving.



I lifted that from here:
http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg57949.html
Re: [Biofuel] Overpopulation Off Limits?

Overpopulation is a myth, quite an obnoxious one actually.

  

We see the depletion of natural resources, in our lifetime, like no  other.



Is that because of human overpopulation, or because some nations are 
addicted to over-consumption and waste, extracting, consuming and 
wasting a vastly disproportionate and inequitable share of the 
world's resources?

With 5% of the population consuming 25% of the world's energy supply 
and emitting a third of the greenhouse gases, the US is way out in 
front when it comes to over-consumption and waste, especially of 
other people's resources. But all the industrialised nations are 
included in that, and you also have to include the elites in the 
other countries, even when that country's overall footprint is small 
- and you have to exclude the very large and rapidly growing number 
of poor people in the US, for instance.

So it emerges that the depletion of natural resources and the various 
other 

[Biofuel] Dick Cheney is right

2007-08-16 Thread Mike Weaver
I almost never forward these things, but this is unbelieveable.


Click here to check out the video. 
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Just click here to check it out:

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Re: [Biofuel] Pepsi Forced to Admit It's....

2007-08-16 Thread Mike Weaver
What you should really be scared of:
The 6 Most Over-Hyped Threats to America (And What Should Scare You 
Instead) http://www.cracked.com/index.php?name=Newssid=2312

http://www.cracked.com/index.php?name=Newssid=2312

A fear of traffic accidents, paedophiles or bullies, and the growth 
of home electronic entertainment, has meant a whole generation are 
growing up without the joys of playing free in their neighbourhood. 



BIG SNIP

On a side note;

Here in the US, I have a close and old friend, who's wife
is an 'education professional' (teacher in old-speek).
She has spend decades teaching 'Earth Science' to
secondary school students. (It's funny, as I like to
think I pay attention to ecological and environmental
issues, but it's very difficult to suprise her at all)

Anyway, she's been spending this summer at a series of
lectures and workshops put together to address the fundamental
changes that have taken place in the way young people learn.

That would be fundamental changes in the way people learn,
as a direct result in the fundamental changes in they
they play.

The implications of this stagger me. All implied, but
I find it pretty staggering none the less.

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Re: [Biofuel] I'm tired of being afraid...

2007-08-16 Thread Mike Weaver
All I fear is fear itself


Fritz Friesinger wrote:

 Hey Doug,
 I'm afraid of only one thing,
 humanity will never learn lessons from the past
 Fritz

 - Original Message -
 *From:* doug swanson mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 *To:* Biofuel List mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
 *Sent:* Thursday, August 16, 2007 12:58 PM
 *Subject:* [Biofuel] I'm tired of being afraid...

 The following is my attempt at a chain letter sort of email.
 Feel free to add to this incomplete list of things not to be
 afraid of.
 Pass it on to someone if you think it's worth the while.
 Or flame me if you think I'm being unpatriotic for not maintaining a
 patriotic sense of fear.

 Maybe I'll get it back one day.
 Or not.- - doug


 I'm tired of being afraid.
 Fear paralyzes.
 I'm over it.
 I'm taking my personal power back from those who peddle fear.
 I'm not afraid of the media's stories.
 I'm not afraid of terrorists.
 I'm not afraid of conspirators.
 I'm not afraid of peak oil.
 I'm not afraid of poisons in the food.
 I'm not afraid of poisons in the air.
 I'm not afraid of poisons in the water.
 I'm not afraid of weird diseases killing everyone.
 I'm not afraid of nuclear disasters.
 I'm not afraid of global warming.
 I'm not afraid of asteroids destroying earth.
 I'm not afraid of burning in hell.
 I'm not afraid of believing the wrong god.

 I can do something about some of those dangers.
 About those, I will do something.

 I'm not afraid that I can't do something about all of them.
  
 started Aug 14, 2007

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Re: [Biofuel] Biodiesel in V6 diesel engine

2007-08-16 Thread Mike Weaver
you're being kind...

Jason Mier wrote:

 thats because the old american diesels were poorly designed (being 
 modified gassers) and burned out after a few sickly weak years.


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 Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 14:15:28 -0500



 Zeke Yewdall wrote:

 
  I vaguely remember a 6 cylinder 4.3 liter version of the early 80's GM
  5.7 liter diesel but alot of people don't consider those suitable
  for running diesel in, let alone biodiesel.

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oldsmobile_Diesel_V6_engine supports your
 recollection. I never knew anyone who owned a vehicle so equipped.
 Doug, N0LKK
 Kansas USA inc.

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Re: [Biofuel] Weapons of mass destruction finally found

2007-08-16 Thread Mike Weaver
Huh.  My AK47 is piece of junk - always jamming at the wrong time. 

Jason Mier wrote:

the RUSSIAN AK47 is the better weapon, but most of the AKs around today are 
(get this) a cheap Chinese knockoff. Russian designers did a very good job 
with their firearms, but they never released any specs and all the knockoffs 
could do was take measurements, and junk metal was cheaper than the good 
quality materials that Russia used.


  

From: Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Weapons of mass destruction finally found
Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 16:16:15 +0200


I am a bit lost, I thought that AK-47 was the most popular Russian,
high quality, reliable weapon. How come that the American lost them.
According to the law of business, they should have been destroyed and
replaced by an American weapons, which would make the enemy less
dangerous. 250,000 bullets/soldier only prove the support of the
American industry, I doubt that they have been fired. This means that
the average American soldier spent around 23 hours only firing his
weapon, sound very high, but the US soldiers are a trigger happy
bunch and it is very dangerous to be close to them. The casualties in
friendly fire are understandable, but amazing, considering that it is
a non drafted and professional army. LOL You should also consider
that in every war, it is many soldiers that never fire his gun in a
real situation.

The safety zone around an American soldier must be around 1,000 m, no
wonder that they have difficulties getting terrorists and kill so
much innocent civilians, who does not know better.

Hakan


At 16:57 15/08/2007, you wrote:


I'm surprised and disappointed at this.  It's totally false and
misleading.  The US has NEVER lost AK-47's in Iraq.
We lose much better weapons.  AK-47's are junk compared to the hardware
WE'VE lost track off.

If you're going to just fling around anti-Americanism, PLEASE get the
facts straight.

Jeez,

-'Merika


Keith Addison wrote:

  

Hello Lee





It now becomes clear, Bush was right on the money. There are weapons
of mass destruction and they are still being developed and deployed.


  

US nuclear weapons being the main example, and I guess the 190,000
guns the US lost in Iraq would also qualify, in sheer number if not
in scale, especially when it emerges that the holy US military shoots
250,000 bullets for every alleged insurgent they kill.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/story/0,,2146645,00.html
Oh well. At least losing all those AK-47s builds a market
Saturday August 11, 2007
The Guardian

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/article314944.ece
US forced to import bullets from Israel as troops use 250,000 for
every rebel killed - Independent Online Edition  Americas
26 July 2007

But I get your meaning. It's just that if you're looking for WMDs and
people who're ready to use them it's long been the case that
Washington's the first place to look. In fact that applies to your
meaning for the term here too, the world capital of dangerous and
rash behaviour is Washington.





The developing countries are following the path of the developed  
  

world


  

I don't think so. Some of them are, but even then it's only in part.
India is an industrialised nation but it's also an agrarian society,
and a traditional one, with its own values that don't necessarily
just collapse into those of California wannabes as soon as they see
some Golden Arches and a bottle of Coke. Just as often there's active
resistance.

To say that their most powerful members, India, China, Brazil and
South Africa, are following the path of the developed world would be
a gross simplification.

And developed is a very questionable definition, almost Orwellian.
Blind addiction to self-destructive and generally destructive
behaviour is not exactly developed. Better to call them the
industrialised nations.

Anyway the world isn't really made up of nations, that's just a state
of mind, a sour ferment of the new wine of democracy in the old
bottles of tribalism. Useful for rulers.





and mass producing greenhouse gasses and other pollutants with
technology we all know we should no longer be using. As their
ability  to afford more and consume increases, their medical systems
improve  their population will boom, compounding the effect.


  

On the contrary, the evidence shows that as people's economic
situation improves, as soon as they're not too poverty-stricken to
feed their children, their breeding rate slows right down.

The surefire way to do that is to empower the women, and especially
to educate the women.

But the usual wealth creation method of improving people's economic
situation generally just extracts wealth, removes it and concentrates
it in the hands of the few, leaving more poverty in its wake. There
are better ways.





Have we as a species, reached 

Re: [Biofuel] U.S. sends mixed message on climate

2007-08-15 Thread Mike Weaver
Yeah, you guys do it, and let us know how it turns out...

Keith Addison wrote:

http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/front/la-na-emissions12aug12, 
1,523570,full.story?coll=la-headlines-frontpagectrack=1cset=true
U.S. sends mixed message on climate
As Bush calls on developing nations to curb CO2, two federally 
controlled agencies are enabling them to emit more.

By Judy Pasternak, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer
August 12, 2007

WASHINGTON -- At the Group of 8 summit of world leaders in June, 
President Bush repeated his calls for developing nations to curb 
their emissions of greenhouse gases. Without their cooperation, he 
said, drastic measures in the United States to battle climate change 
would make little sense.

We all can make major strides, and yet there won't be a reduction 
until China and India are participants, he told reporters.

But just weeks earlier, the U.S. government had pledged to help 
finance one of the world's most advanced oil refineries, taking shape 
in Jamnagar, India. The facility, to be completed by December 2008, 
will not only produce petroleum products, it will annually emit 
nearly 9 million metric tons of carbon dioxide -- the major 
contributor to global warming -- into the atmosphere.

That estimate comes from the U.S. Export-Import Bank, which announced 
$500 million in loan guarantees for the project in May. And those 
figures do not take into account the emissions from the vehicles that 
will burn the giant refinery's gasoline, the planes that will fly on 
its jet fuel or the stoves that use its propane and kerosene.

The Jamnagar refinery is one of hundreds of fossil-fuel projects 
built with the help of U.S.-controlled funding agencies. Since 1995, 
when the United Nations' Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change 
agreed there was a discernible human influence on global warming, 
the United States has helped finance power plants, liquefied natural 
gas processors, oil pipelines and the like in more than 40 countries 
-- in effect extending America's carbon footprint well past this 
nation's borders.

By calling for developing nations to curb their emissions while 
simultaneously helping them emit more, we're being hypocritical, 
said David Waskow, international policy director for the Friends of 
the Earth environmental group.

The 73-year-old Export-Import Bank and the Overseas Private 
Investment Corp., founded in 1971, were established to use loan 
guarantees, insurance and other financial tools to promote U.S. 
exports, encourage economic development in emerging markets and 
support America's foreign policy. Between them, they say they have 
generated nearly $470 billion in exports.

But they also have been controversial, derided by critics as engaging 
in corporate welfare. Many firms that benefit from the agencies' 
energy projects -- including Halliburton Co., Bechtel Corp. and Exxon 
Mobil Corp. -- already earn huge profits.

The problem right now is that we think about India needing more 
refinery capacity without thinking through a total energy package for 
India, with biofuels or carbon sequestration, said Mark Helmke, a 
senior staffer for Republicans on the Senate Foreign Relations 
Committee. People aren't looking at this in a holistic way. They're 
looking at it in a scattershot way.

He added: There's a lack of White House leadership on these issues.

The federal government has promoted sales of clean-energy technology 
abroad -- indeed, the Commerce Department led 17 companies on a 
clean-energy trade mission to China and India in April -- but that 
effort has been dwarfed by support for fossil fuels.

In 2005, more than $3 billion in financing for the international oil 
and gas industry was provided by the Export-Import Bank and the 
Overseas Private Investment Corp. And that does not include projects 
funded by the World Bank Group, which is an international body that 
is heavily influenced by its largest shareholder, the United States.

 From 1995 to 2006, the Ex-Im Bank and OPIC provided more than $21 
billion in loans and loan guarantees for oil refineries, pipeline 
projects, liquefied natural gas plants and electric power plants 
around the world.

A snapshot of the environmental impact can be seen in a sample of 
projects subsidized in Russia, Mexico, Venezuela, Algeria, China, 
Brazil, Turkey and India. Those 48 projects alone will be responsible 
for at least 12 billion metric tons of carbon dioxide emissions over 
their lifetime, or at least 600 million metric tons annually, 
according to a Times analysis of data provided by Friends of the 
Earth. The organization used data from the lending agencies' records, 
and emissions were calculated by analyst Richard Heede of Climate 
Mitigation Services, a private Colorado firm. CO2 figures were not 
available for more than 150 additional projects in those eight 
countries.

Heede, who has provided research for plaintiffs suing the banks over 
their lending policies, wrote in court 

[Biofuel] [Fwd: 40 MPG Weekly Update - U.S.: Leader in Chilled Glove Box Technology - 08/15/07]

2007-08-15 Thread Mike Weaver
Strange but true

http://www.40mpg.org


  WEEKLY UPDATE

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*August 15, 2007:* The United States may be lagging the rest of the 
world when it comes to vehicle fuel-efficiency innovation ... but we are 
No. 1 when it comes to chilled glove box technology.  As op-ed writer 
Bilal Zuberi points out in the Boston Globe 
http://action.40mpg.org/ct/z1_R9ss12XZZ/:  Clearly, the barrier to 
improving US fuel economy is not technological; the real obstacle is 
lack of political will. Automakers are demonstrating a remarkable 
ability to resist any changes in mileage standards, and instead they are 
producing larger and heavier cars with unnecessary amenities, such as 
chilled glove boxes. A better way to improve fuel economy would be for 
the government to let market forces do the work, which is what Europe 
has done so successfully over the past few decades. ... Would 
innovation-averse Detroit automakers prefer to see Congress impose a 
more than 50-cent gas tax increase on U.S. consumers, rather than 
improving federal fuel-efficiency standards for vehicles? 
http://action.40mpg.org/ct/zd_R9ss12XZV/ ... Coming soon to an auto 
dealer near you:  the Smart Car, which combines a reasonable price, 
less than $12,000 for a base model, excellent gasoline mileage, 40 
mpg-plus combined city-highway, wrapped in a steel cage-like frame with 
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Re: [Biofuel] B-99 in my gas tank...

2007-08-15 Thread Mike Weaver
Also works well as a paint thinner/cleaner

Keith Addison wrote:

Hello George

  

A new employee of mine mistakenly put 2 gallons of B99 in the gasoline tank
for a small gas-powered reefer unit on our Isuzu NPR.  I'm guessing the mix
is now 8 gallons gasoline to 2 gallons BioDiesel.  Do I need to drain the
tank, or will it run through OK?

Thanks for the input.

George
www.seabreezefarm.net
Vashon Island, WA USA



http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make2.html#gas
Biodiesel in gasoline engines

Scroll down to Biodiesel in 4-stroke gasoline engines.

HTH

Best

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Re: [Biofuel] Big Pharma, like Big Oil, owns Congress

2007-08-15 Thread Mike Weaver
What's the difference between methamphetimine and Adderall?  The name 
and advertising budget...


Kirk McLoren wrote:




   US Congress: Under the Influence of Big Pharma

 In all, at least 15 congressional staffers, congressmen and
 federal officials left to go to work for the pharmaceutical
 industry, whose profits were increased by several billion dollars.
 I mean, they - they have unlimited resources. Unlimited,
 [Congressman] Burton says. And when they push real hard to get
 something accomplished in the Congress of the United States, they
 can get it done. In January, one of the first things the new
 Democratic House of Representatives did was to make it mandatory
 for Medicare to negotiate lower prices with the drug companies.
 But a similar measure was blocked in the Senate, due in part to
 the efforts of the drug lobby. - Steve Kroft, 60 Minutes, CBS
 News
 http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/03/29/60minutes/main2625305.shtml,
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Re: [Biofuel] International Biodiesel Day

2007-08-11 Thread Mike Weaver
You just can't count on anyone these days - but was it from an African 
fire-starting procedure that he got the idea?


Keith Addison wrote:

Hello Mike

  

On this day in 1893 Rudolf Dieselís engine ran for the first time, and
it ran on peanut oil. So today we celebrate ìInternational Biodiesel
Dayî and raise our glasses to the genius of using fuel that grows back!

Praise the Lard!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biodiesel#Historical_background



:-) And tally the tallow - sorry, but it's a myth.

Rudolf Diesel patents the diesel engine in 1893.

Diesel is awarded the Grand Prix at both Paris World Fairs (1900 and 
1910) for inventing and developing his engine.

But he didn't run it on peanut oil. The true story:

... excerpts from some of Dr Diesel's work, that he published 1912 
and 1913, where he states that it was the Otto Company that ran one 
of his engines on peanut oil at the request of the French government 
during the 1900 World Fair. He later conducted some trails where he 
determined fuel consumption and assessed operability. He also 
mentions similar successful experiments in St. Petersburg using 
castor oil and animal oils. - Darren Hill

It WASN'T him! I recently borrowed his book The Development of the 
Diesel Engine -afaik the last one he published until he drowned 
himself in the Channel. All kinds of fuels that had been tested are 
described there, from coal dust over weird chemical mixtures that had 
been sent to Diesel by the industry to all sorts of crude oil and 
even tar-oil. Vegoil just got about 4 lines- remarking that it was 
the French Otto-Company (yes the Otto-engine!) that ran Diesel's 
engine on peanut oil: The engine was built for crude oil and was 
used without any modification on vegoilit worked so well that 
only a few insiders took notice of this insignificant circumstance. 
(Diesel, Rudolf. 1913. Die Entstehung des Dieselmotors 1st reprint 
by Braun, Hans-Joachim (Ed). 1984. Moers: Steiger. Page 115.). - 
Stephan Helbig

It'll be a long time before wikipedia gets to be much more than 
knowledge-lite, IMHO.

Worldwide production of vegetable oil and animal fat is not yet 
sufficient to replace liquid fossil fuel use.

Yet? LOL! So all we have to do is wait a bit, what a relief.

5,000 gal/acre from algae, sigh...

Best

Keith


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[Biofuel] I'm ready to settle this once and for all

2007-08-10 Thread Mike Weaver
Thanks for the write up - has anyone mixed all this discussion up and 
settled out the most salient points?


Joe Street wrote:

 Thanks a lot Tom for all that work in a short time.  You have really 
 shed some light on this discussion.  Jumping to your questions at the 
 end, it seems clear then that Jan and Andres were right on and it must 
 be the soap and mono-diglycerides etc rather than the glycerine itself 
 which is the culprit..  It also seems to confirm or at least not in 
 conflict with the theory that glycerin settles more slowly from 
 incomplete reactions.  I have never done anything with straight 
 glycerol just the cocktail but it does contain soap al lots of other 
 things.  Small amounts of it have a large impact and it appears that 
 incomplete reactions result in a significant amount of it remaining in 
 the fuel after a prolonged period.  I normally allow about 12 hours 
 for settling (at least) and when the reaction is good an agressive 
 pump wash is no problem.  One of the aims of my project was to reduce 
 cycle time so I really don't want to wait 24 or more hours because 
 sometimes time is not free as Keith had put it. 

 Was going to add more but time's up and the door to my cage is OPEN!  
 Have a good weekend

 Joe

 Thomas Kelly wrote:

 Andres, Jan, Joe, Keith, and anyone else who has been following the saga,
  
  It would seem that glycerine, itself, is not an effective 
 emulsifier.
  
 I've spent the morning experimenting in the kitchen. I did Wash 
 Tests on BD that passed the QT and BD that failed the QT. I tested 
 one group with glycerine split from the cocktail (using Phosphoric 
 Acid) and another group with unsplit Glycerin cocktail.
  
 Volumes used:
 Biodiesel 150 ml
 Water 150 ml
 Glycerin (split and unsplit)  4 ml
  
 Temp:  70F  (~22C)
  
 I. Glycerin split from the cocktail (used Phosphoric Acid):
Controls:   Time for clear 
 separation (min)
good quality BD +  water  1 - 2
poor quality BD  +  water  3 - 4
  
Experimental:
good quality BD + water + glycerine (split) less than 5
poor quality BD  + water + glycerine (split) less than 5
  
 II Glycerin Cocktail:
good quality BD + water + glycerine cocktail2 hours*
poor quality BD  + water + glycerine cocktail2 hours*
  
 * At 2 hours there is a thin layer of BD (1 - 2 mm) The rest appears 
 to be an emulsion.
  
  Andres and Jan, you are correct. Glycerin, itself, did 
 little to retard separation of BD and water.
  
  Something in the cocktail does seem to be an emulsifier. (The 
 soaps??)
  
 Some questions remain:
 1. The BD that failed the QT (incomplete reaction) was obtained from 
 a tank that feeds my heating system. It contains unreacted 
 glycerides, but does not produce an emulsion when shaken in water, 
 nor did it produce emulsions when it was stir-washed. Why not?
 2. At Joe Street's suggestion I took a sample of BD that had settled 
 for about 10 hours. Twelve hours later, more glycerin had settled 
 out. Today, still another 24 hours later, even more has settled out. 
 Could this small amount of unsplit glycerine (with associated soaps) 
 be the cause of the emulsions I got when I started making BD? It 
 would explain why settling for a day or more seems to eliminate the 
 problem.
 3. Does the glycerine mix (or soaps) settle out more slowly in BD 
 from incomplete reactions?
  
  Tom
  
  



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[Biofuel] International Biodiesel Day

2007-08-10 Thread Mike Weaver
On this day in 1893 Rudolf Diesel’s engine ran for the first time, and 
it ran on peanut oil. So today we celebrate “International Biodiesel 
Day” and raise our glasses to the genius of using fuel that grows back!

Praise the Lard!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biodiesel#Historical_background


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[Biofuel] The Bush Family America Doesn’t Know

2007-08-09 Thread Mike Weaver

  It's like a Hardy novel...


  The Bush Family America Doesn’t Know

*Lynn Stuter*

In 1938, William Dodd, ambassador to Germany, sent President Franklin 
Delano Roosevelt the following message:

A clique of U.S. industrialists is hell-bent to bring a fascist state 
to supplant our democratic government and is working closely with the 
fascist regime in Germany and Italy. I have had plenty of opportunity in 
my post in Berlin to witness how close some of our American ruling 
families are to the Nazi regime A prominent executive of one of the 
largest corporations, told me point blank that he would be ready to take 
definite action to bring fascism into America if President Roosevelt 
continued his progressive policies. Certain American industrialists had 
a great deal to do with bringing fascist regimes into being in both 
Germany and Italy. They extended aid to help Fascism occupy the seat of 
power, and they are helping to keep it there. Propagandists for fascist 
groups try to dismiss the fascist scare. We should be aware of the 
symptoms. When industrialists ignore laws designed for social and 
economic progress they will seek recourse to a fascist state when the 
institutions of our government compel them to comply with the provisions.

In 1933, Marine Corp Major General Smedley Butler was approached by a 
cabal of influential American bankers and industrialists working under 
the umbrella of the front group, American Liberty League. Their request 
of Butler: that he lead a 500,000 strong force of rogue veterans in a 
coup against FDR and the legal American government. The intent of this 
cabal, already supporting the efforts of Hitler and Mussolini in Europe, 
was to instill a government not unlike that of Hitler and Mussolini in 
the United States.

Butler went along with the scheme until he was able to ascertain who the 
participants were. He then blew the whistle on this group before the 
House Committee on un-American Activities. For his efforts, Butler was 
ostracized and black-balled by the mainstream media; his testimony 
before the House Committee on un-American Activities was omitted from 
the record. The cabal was never brought to justice, but the coup was foiled.

Who were the American bankers and industrialists involved in this plot 
to overthrow the legal government of the United States? According to 
Wikipedia, while most of the funding came from the Du Pont family, 
participants included U.S. Steel, General Motors, General Foods, 
Standard Oil, Birdseye, Colgate, Heinz Foods, Chase National Bank, and 
Goodyear Tire and Rubber Company.

And among the participants in this coup attempt was one Prescott Bush, 
father of George Herbert Walker Bush, 41st president of the United 
States, grandfather of George W Bush, current president of the United 
States. Prescott Bush was not only instrumental in bringing Hitler to 
power in Germany, Mussolini to power in Italy, but was also plotting to 
overthrow the legal government of the United States and establish a 
fascist state here. Prescott Bush served as a Senator from Connecticut 
and was a partner in the prominent investment banking firm Brown 
Brothers Harriman.
  It was from the lips of George Herbert Walker Bush that the American 
people heard the phrase, “New World Order.” And America watched as GHW 
Bush passed the reins of power to his “good friend who is like a member 
of the family,” William Jefferson Clinton, who then passed the reins on 
to George Walker Bush in what can only be termed a fraud-ridden 
election, re-elected for a second term in the same manner.

Under the reign of George Walker Bush, we have watched him wage war on 
America, the American people, and American sovereignty; we have watched 
him institute executive order after executive order in his pursuit of 
absolute power, labeling himself “the decider” while the American 
legislative branch does absolutely nothing to curtail his abuse of 
power. His actions mirror those of Hitler in his quest for power in Germany.

And just like Hitler, Bush is using fear to keep the American people 
supporting his un-American activities, starting with the events of 
September 11, 2001. And every time Bush wants something more, another 
threat emerges and Congress and the American people, with few 
exceptions, fall in step. Yet the greatest threat to the American 
people, American sovereignty, the American way of life sits in the White 
House, not in Iraq, not in Afghanistan, not in the Middle East.

And if the reins of power are passed from George Walker Bush, which many 
at this point have serious doubts will happen, given Bush’s ability to 
wage war on the American people through terrorism and the American 
people’s willingness to blame the same on foreign born terrorists, that 
power will be passed, by corrupted balloting if necessary, to Hillary 
Rodham Clinton, protégé of self-avowed Marxist Saul Alinsky, who, in his 
book, Rules for Radicals, paid homage to Lucifer as 

Re: [Biofuel] VW Passat TDi

2007-08-07 Thread Mike Weaver
 From my experience it's probably caused by a slightly incomplete 
reaction or a bad wash.

YMMV

Andres Secco wrote:

Right. I saw it transparent also  like gelatine.
Potato protein or animal protein, Animal is white. Depends on what was fried 
with the raw oil.


Is it clogged with a whitish-looking gel?

Andres Secco wrote:

  

If it is 100% biodiesel can be  the fuel filter. This device is clogged by
some incomplete reacted portions of the oil.
There are some proteins wich forms a gelatine around the filtering system.
It is a common problem and can be solved in the biodiesel factory adding
some products to precipitate proteins.
If it is 20% blend there is a poor biodiesel manufacturing practice to save
methanol or dirty oil being used and unproperly treated before reaction.

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Dear All,
I have VW Passat TDi. I have been using the biodiesel
for 2 and 1/2 years, I find that the fuel filter
begins to clog up after 6 months. Loss of power
becomes apparent. Further at speed fuel supply cuts
off. After coming to a halt, the car does not start
again. After half an hour, the car restarts. Does any
one know whether its the fuel filter or the fuel pump?
regards

fox


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Re: [Biofuel] Biofuel Quality Test

2007-08-07 Thread Mike Weaver
FWIW - I let the batch settle for a week or so (the lazy man's way) and 
that also seems to help w/ this.


Thomas Kelly wrote:

Shawn,

 I suspect that the dense substance at the bottom of the flask was 
unreacted glycerides, indicating an incomplete reaction.

 I now drain a sample of the mix towards the end of processing.
 - Shut off the pump
 - Drain a sample and turn the pump back on
 - Allow the glycerin to settle for a few minutes
 - Perform Jan W's quality test on the top (crude BD) layer

 There is still glycerin in the mix, but if I have succeeded in getting 
a complete reaction, I do not get an insoluble residue on the bottom.

 I repeat the test after washing the BD. It is a quick, easy test, and 
the
result, whether it passed or failed can be added to the methoxide for your 
next batch  .  no wasted methanol, costs nothing to perform the test.
  Best to You,
Tom


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Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 9:03 AM
Subject: [Biofuel] Biofuel Quality Test


  

Good Day All,

My question is in regards to the Quality test develop by Jan Warnqvist. Is
this test to be performed on the product before or after the glycerin has
been removed, or does it matter. I performed the test with out removing
glycerin and found that I got a clear bright phase except you could tell
that there was a more dense substance at the bottom of the flask. I 
assumed
that was the glycerin since just extracted a sample from the process 
without
separating BD from glycerin. Does the glycerin dissolve in the methanol??
Was I looking at the unprocessed materials in my BD??

Regards

Shawn Patrick



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Re: [Biofuel] Pepsi Forced to Admit It's Bottling Tap Water

2007-08-07 Thread Mike Weaver
The little island in Maine my family hails from did that as a joke - 
they have a large fresh water pond and bottled and sold the water in the 
one store.
Made a pretty penny.  Of course, the water does taste good, but it's the 
same stuff that comes out of the tap in the houses.

-Mike

Joe Street wrote:

LOL LOL but the best one is Evian water.  Evian is NAIVE spelled 
backwards!!  Perfect. (said it here b4)
 BTW here are some locals who are not just emailing web forums on this 
issue.  Take action.  It is amazing how fast theis group mobilized and 
how much effect they are having.

http://www.wellingtonwaterwatchers.ca/

Joe

Thomas Kelly wrote:

Big SNIP

  

But out of curiosity, would my water company be putting  water from a 
tap into plastic bottles and then transporting it over great distances to be 
sold to an unsuspecting public? Would we run adds on TV, in magazines, and 
on billboards suggesting that this is special water. Would we have 
athletes, beautiful models, even movie stars giving testimonies as to how 
special this bottled water was. What would we call it? Aquafina and Dasani 
are real cool names, but they're already taken. Somehow Tom's Tap doesn't 
sound special enough even though it is real good water.
As a friend, who used to be in advertising often says: Image and logo 
recognition.

Gotta go work on the logo.
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Re: [Biofuel] Biofuel Quality Test

2007-08-07 Thread Mike Weaver
Well, I'm not really a greybeard, but since I've been settling both the 
crack and the wash I haven't seen any white gunk in the clear filter.

-M


Thomas Kelly wrote:

Mike,
I let mine settle for a week when I can. It washes  much easier. I doubt 
that it does anything for an incomplete reaction though. That is to say, I 
don't think the unreacted oil will settle out.

But:
I have been wondering about something.
When I started making BD it would never pass the methanol quality test.
I inevitably got emulsions in the wash. Now, when I make BD for my 
oil-fired boiler, I use only about 16-17% (vol/vol) of methanol. The BD 
does not pass the quality test, but I don't have the same emulsion problems. 
Is it because I let it settle longer  (24+ hours vs 6 - 8 hrs)?
Does the presence of a small amount of glycerine/soaps make that much of 
a difference when trying to wash BD from an incomplete reaction?

  Tom


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FWIW - I let the batch settle for a week or so (the lazy man's way) and
that also seems to help w/ this.


Thomas Kelly wrote:



Shawn,

I suspect that the dense substance at the bottom of the flask was
unreacted glycerides, indicating an incomplete reaction.

I now drain a sample of the mix towards the end of processing.
- Shut off the pump
- Drain a sample and turn the pump back on
- Allow the glycerin to settle for a few minutes
- Perform Jan W's quality test on the top (crude BD) layer

There is still glycerin in the mix, but if I have succeeded in 
getting
a complete reaction, I do not get an insoluble residue on the bottom.

I repeat the test after washing the BD. It is a quick, easy test, and
the
result, whether it passed or failed can be added to the methoxide for your
next batch  .  no wasted methanol, costs nothing to perform the test.
 Best to You,
   Tom


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Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 9:03 AM
Subject: [Biofuel] Biofuel Quality Test




  

Good Day All,

My question is in regards to the Quality test develop by Jan Warnqvist. 
Is
this test to be performed on the product before or after the glycerin has
been removed, or does it matter. I performed the test with out removing
glycerin and found that I got a clear bright phase except you could tell
that there was a more dense substance at the bottom of the flask. I
assumed
that was the glycerin since just extracted a sample from the process
without
separating BD from glycerin. Does the glycerin dissolve in the methanol??
Was I looking at the unprocessed materials in my BD??

Regards

Shawn Patrick



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Re: [Biofuel] Pepsi Forced to Admit It's Bottling Tap Water

2007-08-06 Thread Mike Weaver
It's been my experience that if given the choice between a USD 50k 
granite and Viking kitchen, or USD 50k worth of
energy-saving upgrades, the kitchen wins everytime.


Hakan Falk wrote:

So, it is the building code and inspection regime that does not work.
With a good building code and inspection regime, the basic standard
is set to meet the needs of the buyer and the state, It brings a leveled
play ground for the contractors, who cannot afford to not meet the code,
but price differences are then smaller,

Hakan



At 06:38 PM 8/6/2007, you wrote:
  

It's not so much the construction that I think gets shortchanged, as
the design.  Most construction workers I've met, even illegal
immigrants getting pretty bad pay, take pride in their work, and they
wouldn't build a crappy house on purpose.  However, if it's designed
with only R-25 insulation and no low-e windows, that's what they put
in there.  It's the design decisions where I think that eventual owner
is getting cheated.  Code is good for making sure houses don't fall
down, but they are not very stringent for energy efficiency or such...

And to some extent, you can't completely blame the developers, because
they are only building what people want.  People, when they are
looking at a new house, don't even ask about the efficiency -- so,
yes, if the buyers were more informed, the builders would have some
motivation to address those concerns.


On 8/6/07, Jeromie Reeves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


On 8/6/07, Zeke Yewdall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  

On 8/5/07, Andres Secco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



 In planning a house, an apartment building, even a 
  

shopping mall,


one
should not even CONSIDER water quality that is available. ???
  

In a house, the designer, builder, contractors, NO they should not
unless the building owner wants them to. Why should it be the
responsibility of anyone except the land owner, or the person
commissioning the house?


Very few houses in the US are built under direction of the eventual
landowner or person who will live in the house.  They are built by
developers who's only goal is to make money.   Not provide housing.
Since the buyer is unknown, and probably not that well educated on
details on construction, they can cut alot of corners and usually end
up building houses that really should be bulldozed the minute that are
completed.   Insulation... why put that in -- no one thinks about that
till they get their first heating bill.  Efficient appliances?  Water
quality?  Same thing.   The average potential house buyer will no
notice their lack until it's too late, so don't bother spending money
there.   Fancier countertops will be noticed by the potential buyer up
front, so that's a much better place to spend money in the
construction.


I agree that happens. There are some HUD houses in town where I have
clients and the work there was sub standard. The guy I bought my house
from is a framer and I can promise the house he works on do not get
short changed. Sure the primary contractor on the job wants to make
money (just like most of us) but he is not a crook. The building
inspector makes sure things are to code and not a crappy job. They
inspect at many stages of the building process. The guy who was on the
job when the HUD houses were built has since been let go. IMO they
should have made the contractors rebuild the HUD homes but people were
lazy from top to bottom.In my experience a majority of construction
companies are not thieves. My friend that does home evaluations picks
up on short cuts and the price of the house will reflect it. Anyone
who is buying a home should have a independent inspector/evaluator. If
they do not they have only them selves to blame. Its not like this
information is secret, any realestate company should be able to get
you in contact with a few.[my opinion] I think this comes back
primarily to people being lazy.

  

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Re: [Biofuel] VW Passat TDi

2007-08-06 Thread Mike Weaver
Also check the fuel return system - the filter has a return - be sure 
the lines are clear.  I added an inexpensive and (easily replaced) clear 
inline filter before the big expensive filter and I've never had any 
problems with the main fuel filter.  When I did finally change it at 60k 
, it had a fair amount of gunk in it but was still working.
If you fiddle with your fuel lines remember to clamp the line leading 
out of the filter and into the pump so it doesn't fill up w/ air.

Kirk McLoren wrote:

 The only auto problem similar to what you describe that I am familiar 
 with was a friend changed his gas cap and the new one wasnt 
 venting. The engine would starve and after a while enough air got in 
 the tank that you could start it. I guess some tanks have a vent 
 separate from the cap.
  
 Kirk

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 I have VW Passat TDi. I have been using the biodiesel
 for 2 and 1/2 years, I find that the fuel filter
 begins to clog up after 6 months. Loss of power
 becomes apparent. Further at speed fuel supply cuts
 off. After coming to a halt, the car does not start
 again. After half an hour, the car restarts. Does any
 one know whether its the fuel filter or the fuel pump?
 regards

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Re: [Biofuel] VW Passat TDi

2007-08-06 Thread Mike Weaver
Is it clogged with a whitish-looking gel?

Andres Secco wrote:

If it is 100% biodiesel can be  the fuel filter. This device is clogged by 
some incomplete reacted portions of the oil.
There are some proteins wich forms a gelatine around the filtering system. 
It is a common problem and can be solved in the biodiesel factory adding 
some products to precipitate proteins.
If it is 20% blend there is a poor biodiesel manufacturing practice to save 
methanol or dirty oil being used and unproperly treated before reaction.

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Dear All,
I have VW Passat TDi. I have been using the biodiesel
for 2 and 1/2 years, I find that the fuel filter
begins to clog up after 6 months. Loss of power
becomes apparent. Further at speed fuel supply cuts
off. After coming to a halt, the car does not start
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one know whether its the fuel filter or the fuel pump?
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Re: [Biofuel] re-powering a boat

2007-07-19 Thread Mike Weaver
Re-fit with a Yanmar and run biodiesel

Jason Mier wrote:

 i have just come across a fair sized boat(33ft), but basket case 
 doesnt even begin to cover the condition its in. i was wondering, 
 since it will be a total rebuild, what hardware would be better for a 
 plugin gas/electric repowering. im not too fond of a 3.5mpg fuel use, 
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Re: [Biofuel] Magic Compost Enhancer

2007-07-13 Thread Mike Weaver
Foxfire.  Used to be my bible - are they still around?

-Weaver

Doug Younker wrote:

robert and benita rabello wrote:


  

Indeed!  And they need technology to separate urine?  Grief!  A 
plastic jugg next to the toilet will do.  This saves water, and my maize 
plants are SO much happier . . .

robert luis rabello



In the event Law enforcement ever sees your urine collection, you may be 
a terrorist suspect or suspect of operating a meth lab. Urine can be 
processed to extract potassium nitrate.  Volume 5 of the Foxfire book 
series details how it was done in the old days for use in manufacturing 
black powder. apearently the urine from met users is processed to 
recover ephedrine
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Re: [Biofuel] biofuel specific?

2007-07-12 Thread Mike Weaver
If you switch to a linux-based email system you could use procmail to 
filter the messages for you...otherwise I am sure you can set up filters 
in Microsoft Outhouse
er, Outlook and numerous other clients...

-Weaver

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 Biofuelers:
 I have been lurking on this list for awhile, but never actually
 participated. 
  
 I am wondering if there is some way I could filter the posts to
 read only those that directly related to biofuel issues?
  
  This listserve is very active, and I really do enjoy reading some
 of the posts, so I am not asking for, nor wanting to, have
 anything change on this listserve.
  
 However, this list has active threads going right now on solar
 energy, wind energy, converting plastics to oil, recycling,
 outboard motors, and hemp, just to name a few.  By my definition,
 these ar not biofuel topics.  Of course, the readers of this
 listserve may have different definitions.
  
 So, once again, I do not want anything changed, I just wondered if
 anyone knows a way I could digitally filter out the non-biofuel
 posts so I can read what I want?
  
 The shear volume of posts on this listserve is quite intimidating,
 and so, I am afraid, I often ignore this listserve as a result.
  
 Please accept my apologies, in advance, if this post is at all
 presumptuous or offensive.
  
 I was warned that this was a very active listserve when I first
 joined.  It also seems that there were warnings that the topics
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Re: [Biofuel] Totally off topic - Outboard motor question

2007-07-10 Thread Mike Weaver
Second question:

what size boat would it drive?  Flat water mostly for fishing.  Slow river
with medium current.

 Yeah yeah, and most diesel mechanics are in full agreement that
 biodiesel will destroy diesel engines too...

 Z

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 Having read some publications at marinas I have been at this summer, the
 manufacturers are issuing dire warnings about the use of ethanol. They
 are
 in full agreement against its use.


  

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 Anyone know anything about outboard motors?  And boats?  And whether
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Re: [Biofuel] The Dark Side of Soy

2007-07-04 Thread Mike Weaver
Actually, I think soy being touted as a good source of protein for us
poor meat-deprived vegetarians is a crock.  As far as I can tell, there is
no danger of developing protein deficiency or Kwashiorkor unless you
really work at it.  It almost always accompanies caloric deficiency, and
is virtually unheard of in the US:
See - http://www.duke.edu/web/planv/realities.html
# Disease linked to inadequate protein consumption: Kwashiorkor
# Number of cases of kwashiorkor in United States: Virtually none

Of course, if you really want a fun read, google somatic cell count and
milk

-Weaver



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 RE: [Biofuel] Cleaning Up Factory Farms ... and vegetarians

 Best

 Keith


The Dark Side of Soy
Is America's favorite health food making us sick?
—By Mary Vance, Terrain
Utne Reader July / August 2007 Issue
http://www.utne.com/issues/2007_142/features/12607-1.html
As someone who is conscious of her health, I spent 13 years cultivating
a vegetarian diet. I took time to plan and balance meals that included
products such as soy milk, soy yogurt, tofu, and Chick'n patties. I
pored over labels looking for words I couldn't pronounce--occasionally
one or two would pop up. Soy protein isolate? Great! They've isolated
the protein from the soybean to make it more concentrated. Hydrolyzed
soy protein? I never successfully rationalized that one, but I wasn't
too worried. After all, in 1999 the Food and Drug Administration (FDA)
approved labeling I found on nearly every soy product I purchased:
Diets low in saturated fat and cholesterol that include 25 grams of soy
protein a day may reduce the risk of heart disease. Soy ingredients
weren't only safe--they were beneficial.
After years of consuming various forms of soy nearly every day, I felt
reasonably fit, but somewhere along the line I'd stopped menstruating. I
couldn't figure out why my stomach became so upset after I ate edamame
or why I was often moody and bloated. It didn't occur to me at the time
to question soy, heart protector and miracle food.
When I began studying holistic health and nutrition, I kept running
across risks associated with eating soy. Endocrine disruption? Check.
Digestive problems? Check. I researched soy's deleterious effects on
thyroid, fertility, hormones, sex drive, digestion, and even its
potential to contribute to certain cancers. For every study that proved
a connection between soy and reduced disease risk another cropped up to
challenge the claims. What was going on?
Studies showing the dark side of soy date back 100 years, says
clinical nutritionist Kaayla Daniel, author of The Whole Soy Story (New
Trends, 2005). The 1999 FDA-approved health claim pleased big business,
despite massive evidence showing risks associated with soy, and against
the protest of the FDA's own top scientists. Soy is a $4 billion [U.S.]
industry that's taken these health claims to the bank. Besides
promoting heart health, the industry says, soy can alleviate symptoms
associated with menopause, reduce the risk of certain cancers, and lower
levels of LDL, the bad cholesterol.
Epidemiological studies have shown that Asians, particularly in Japan
and China, have a lower incidence of breast and prostate cancer than
people in the United States, and many of these studies credit a
traditional diet that includes soy. But Asian diets include small
amounts--about nine grams a day--of primarily fermented soy products,
such as miso, natto, and tempeh, and some tofu. Fermenting soy creates
health-promoting probiotics, the good bacteria our bodies need to
maintain digestive and overall wellness. By contrast, in the United
States, processed soy food snacks or shakes can contain over 20 grams of
nonfermented soy protein in one serving.
There is important information on the cancer-protective values of soy,
says clinical nutritionist Ed Bauman, head of Bauman Clinic in
Sebastopol, California, and director of Bauman College. Bauman cautions
against painting the bean with a broad brush. As with any food, it can
have benefits in one system and detriments in another. [An individual
who is sensitive to it] may have an adverse response to soy. And not all
soy is alike, he adds, referring to processing methods and quality.
Soy is not a food that is native to North America or Europe, and you
have issues when you move food from one part of the world to another,
Bauman says. We fare better when we eat according to our ethnicity. Soy
is a viable food, but we need to look at how it's used.
Once considered a small-scale poverty food, soy exploded onto the
American market. Studies--some funded by the industry--promoted soy's
ability to lower disease risk while absolving guilt associated with
eating meat. The soy industry has come a long way from when hippies
were boiling up the beans, says Daniel.
These days the industry has discovered ways to use every part of the
bean for profit. Soy oil has become the base for most vegetable 

Re: [Biofuel] The Dark Side of Soy now milk

2007-07-04 Thread Mike Weaver
FWIW - I can't see the point of cooking most food.  Just today at the 4th
of July picnic I had to hide my corn so it wouldn't get cooked.  For some
reason it *really* irritates people if you eat raw corn.  They all watch
you and made comments.  Of course, they're all fat, have heart disease,
high blood pressure and asthma...


 http://www.realmilk.com/milkcure.html - notice it is raw milk and not what
 you find in the supers.
   Meat or milk is basically unfit for consumprtion, but lest we think we
 can be vegans consider the ecoli in spinach and the hepatitis from
 strawberries recently. Industry sees keeping a clean operation as a
 money loser.Thats why we have dropped out.

   We have a 5 year old jersey, a former Tillamook cow who now eats green
 grass (and apples when my grandson sees her) instead of a high protein
 grain and silage in a cow barn. Needless to say she is very healthy and
 we just hade home made ice cream made from - God forbid! - real raw
 cream, raw eggs and raw apricots. We grew all of it. Our birds are
 healthy too. Salmonella BTW usually isnt from eggs.
   The ice cream was delicious. The stuff in the stores is poisonous to my
 estimation. Oh - there was a bit of maple syrup and vanilla in the first
 batch. Very nice but the apricots are better.
   We make our own butter too. And I can honestly say from a contented cow.
 She is a family pet.
   Dairy cattle lead a hell of a life. They live on concrete with a bit of
 straw. The ration they eat is to psh milk production and some herds are
 Monsanto - those poor devils are constantly on antibiotics due to
 mastitis. Cruelty to animals, no doubt about it. Monsanto needs to be
 dismantled. The proceeds from the sale should then be given to
 Monsanto's victims.

   Come out of her lest ye partake of her plagues.

   Kirk

 Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Actually, I think soy being touted as a good source of protein for us
 poor meat-deprived vegetarians is a crock. As far as I can tell, there is
 no danger of developing protein deficiency or Kwashiorkor unless you
 really work at it. It almost always accompanies caloric deficiency, and
 is virtually unheard of in the US:
 See - http://www.duke.edu/web/planv/realities.html
 # Disease linked to inadequate protein consumption: Kwashiorkor
 # Number of cases of kwashiorkor in United States: Virtually none

 Of course, if you really want a fun read, google somatic cell count and
 milk

 -Weaver



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 http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg44820.html
 RE: [Biofuel] Cleaning Up Factory Farms ... and vegetarians

 Best

 Keith


The Dark Side of Soy
Is America's favorite health food making us sick?
—By Mary Vance, Terrain
Utne Reader July / August 2007 Issue
http://www.utne.com/issues/2007_142/features/12607-1.html
As someone who is conscious of her health, I spent 13 years cultivating
a vegetarian diet. I took time to plan and balance meals that included
products such as soy milk, soy yogurt, tofu, and Chick'n patties. I
pored over labels looking for words I couldn't pronounce--occasionally
one or two would pop up. Soy protein isolate? Great! They've isolated
the protein from the soybean to make it more concentrated. Hydrolyzed
soy protein? I never successfully rationalized that one, but I wasn't
too worried. After all, in 1999 the Food and Drug Administration (FDA)
approved labeling I found on nearly every soy product I purchased:
Diets low in saturated fat and cholesterol that include 25 grams of soy
protein a day may reduce the risk of heart disease. Soy ingredients
weren't only safe--they were beneficial.
After years of consuming various forms of soy nearly every day, I felt
reasonably fit, but somewhere along the line I'd stopped menstruating. I
couldn't figure out why my stomach became so upset after I ate edamame
or why I was often moody and bloated. It didn't occur to me at the time
to question soy, heart protector and miracle food.
When I began studying holistic health and nutrition, I kept running
across risks associated with eating soy. Endocrine disruption? Check.
Digestive problems? Check. I researched soy's deleterious effects on
thyroid, fertility, hormones, sex drive, digestion, and even its
potential to contribute to certain cancers. For every study that proved
a connection between soy and reduced disease risk another cropped up to
challenge the claims. What was going on?
Studies showing the dark side of soy date back 100 years, says
clinical nutritionist Kaayla Daniel, author of The Whole Soy Story (New
Trends, 2005). The 1999 FDA-approved health claim pleased big business,
despite massive evidence showing risks associated with soy, and against
the protest of the FDA's own top scientists. Soy is a $4 billion [U.S.]
industry that's taken these health claims to the bank. Besides
promoting heart health, the industry says, soy can alleviate symptoms
associated with menopause, reduce the risk of certain cancers, and lower
levels of LDL, the bad

[Biofuel] Microsoft Moves To Change NY State Election Law

2007-06-17 Thread Mike Weaver
Microsoft has moved forcefully into New York State with proposed changes
to NY state election law drafted by Microsoft attorneys. A document has
been circulating (PDF) among the legislators for a while now. The proposed
changes would gut the source-code escrow and review provisions in current
law that were hard-fought-for and passed in New York in 2005. Microsoft is
siding with the makers of voting machines that run on Windows — the
company doesn't want its code inspected by outsiders. From the article:
Now the software giant has gone a step further, not just saying 'we won't
comply with your law' but actively trying to change state law to serve
their corporate interests... Adding insult to injury, these changes are
being slipped into a bill that may be voted on Monday or Tuesday, June 18
or 19.


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Re: [Biofuel] Time is running out to Save Raw Almonds!

2007-06-15 Thread Mike Weaver
There was a whole write up recently about urban farming; as soon as I
come off my latest energy binge I'll look for it.

-Mike

 Hi Dawie

Keith has emphasized before that meaningful food production doesn't
require huge tracts of land. It is amazing what can be done in very
small spaces.

Modern cities contain vast amounts of wasted land, but the resulting
pattern is one that attracts too much moving about of people and
stuff for non-food-production purposes. There's a vicious circle
with too much roadway and parking generating an insatiable need for
more roadway and parking. I'm proposing that urban areas become a
lot tighter, though fragmented into smaller pockets, somewhat like
the cities of medieval Europe, so that the greatest proportion of
non-food-production functions are best supported by a
pedestrian-based local economy. In practice, the typical new-world
city should be steered to develop into twenty-odd (depending on the
size of the city) mini-cities separated by farmland.

 Or interpenetrated by farmland, in many shapes and forms, but
 sometimes just plain farmland. Japanese cities have patches of
 farmland throughout, a small field here and there, some of them not
 so small, with occasional clumps of fields, they're everywhere. Not
 just veggies, rice and soybeans and so on too. There are allotments
 as well. People don't notice them much but they produce a lot of
 food. There's still quite a lot of waste ground too, empty lots and
 all the usable bits and pieces of ground you start seeing around the
 place when you begin to take some notice.

A lot of that farmland is currently the
supposedly decorative gardens of sprawling suburbs.

 And/or allotments and so on, and quite a lot of suburban folks raise
 some vegetables.

The more I get into it, though, the more I realise how much food can
be produced even in the densely built city areas,

 There's room for it, once you start thinking that way you see it
 everywhere.

especially in the upper-storey courtyards that result almost
inevitably from the desire to use available space most effectively
while maintaining decent daylight and ventilation. This applies as
much to small livestock as to crops.

I don't see cows being kept on rooftops. Cow-sized staircases would
just consume too much space! But I do see small dairy operations
within easy walking distance of city centres.

 It's amazing where people manage to keep poultry and pigs.

 Food for cities is not that big a problem eh? Mainly an attitude
 problem, and the attitude's changing.

 Best

 Keith



Dawie

- Original Message 
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Thursday, 14 June, 2007 5:41:57 AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Time is running out to Save Raw Almonds!

hi Keith,

you said Large-scale animal and animal products production has no future
 and
  has a disgusting past without any merit. There is no place for the
  industry. There is plenty of place for unpasteurised real milk and
  the healthy people who drink it. I agree, they are in it for the
money (which we do need) with less regard for the environmental
footprint, and lacking the passion to provide good food to the
people. However, could you elaborate on the size of scale you are
refering to in the above statement. I mean there are hundreds of
millions of people who live in cities that cant farm or produce for
themselves. Ultimately, in the end I believe the smaller and more
localised the farm is to its consumption destination, the better. It
reduces transport costs, packaging and ultimately energy demand.
Individual small farms to produce food for themselves and the
community is the best option if practiced responsibily with the
social and environmental issues in mind. Having said this what are
your thoughts for providing food to the cities.

best

Joshua



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  Hello Andres
 
  I am affraid the pasteurization process is necessary because to eat
  untreated foods is DANGEROUS for humans.
 
  Not true. Please see my previous reply and check the references there.
 
  The larger the production scale the
  higher the risk.
 
  True.
 
  The living parts of foods are oftenly poisonous for us
  like bacteria.
 
  Not necessarily so. Look at your previous statement about the
  production scale. The inverse is equally true: the smaller the scale
  the lower the risk - in other words small-scale local production,
  such as on CSA farms. This can be and usually is safe and
  high-quality. Traditional agricultural systems all had and have good
  solutions to these problems. But modern large-scale production has no
  such answers.
 
  Thanks to god there is still a lot of vegetables we can eat
  in large volumes without processing and alive.
 
  And quite possibly covered with various pesticide residues and with
  only poor nutritional quality - again a problem that increases as the
  production scale increases, and decreases to zero as the scale
  

Re: [Biofuel] Fuel-sipping trains

2007-06-15 Thread Mike Weaver
I wonder if you could look at the carbon output and extrapolate backwards
to get a rough idea what the cost is.

Interesting side note:  I was at the bus stop in my neighborhood, which is
for lack of a better word, one of the more exclusive suburbs in the
country, mosty due to its proximity to DC.  Many people are tearing down
their small houses and building huge ones, or substantially remodeling
what they have.  I fell into conversation with one neighbor doing the
latter.  As the conversation started on the subject of the cost of gas and
energy in general, I asked if they'd thought about solar for power, heat
and hot water, a multi-fuel furnace - such as a Tarm and extra insulation,
etc.  They'd thought about it, but realized that the $50,000 or so for the
above was about the cost of granite counters and Sub Zero appliances in
the kitchen, and after all, this was their dream house - wasn't it?

High efficiency gas heating and cooling along with better windows are as
far as most people here will go.




 http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg18995.html
 [biofuel] The Railroading of Amtrak

 http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg12055.html
 [biofuel] Subsidizing Trains, Planes And Automobiles

 (The whole discussion thread is linked at the end of the page.)

 Trains are a great way to travel, even better than ships. And the
 best way to commute.

Like Keith stated so succinctly in a prior post,
the USA isn't addicted to oil, it is addicted to
waste.

 I didn't check it and I didn't download it either, but somebody was
 saying that people bandied the figure around a lot these days that
 the US had 5% of the world's population and uses 25% of the energy,
 but he'd seen data years ago that the US used 45% of the world's
 energy and he didn't think it had shrunk.

 I got to wondering what the figure might be if you included the full
 energy costs of the war in Iraq, for instance, or the full energy
 costs of the Empire's global military establishment, as someone like
 Chalmers Johnson might put it, along with all the support stuff that
 goes with it. For starters. What's the global energy bill of the US?
 (Or am I looking at it all wrong?)

 I don't suppose we'd ever find out. I'm not very surprised when
 energy data turns out to be mostly smoke and mirrors. That's been the
 case with oil reserves for a long time, especially with what Matt
 Simmons has had to say about it more recently. Nobody really knows,
 but that doesn't stop them lying about it.

 Whatever, a lot of list members have talked about the waste of energy
 in the US. Hakan, for instance, who'd know, said the US was IIRC
 about 30 years behind Sweden with energy efficient buildings. The
 section on world energy use at our website (which might be where the
 25% came from) says The average American uses twice as much energy
 as the average European or Japanese and 155 times as much as the
 average Nepalese. In terms of production, Americans produce more per
 head than Europeans and about the same as Japanese, but they use
 twice as much energy as the Japanese to do it.
 http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_404.html#energyuse

 I wouldn't say the Japanese are exactly paragons of energy
 efficiency. In some ways yes, with solar and K-trucks, for instance,
 but they've got a long way to go. There are way too many cars here,
 K-trucks notwithstanding, recycling's good in some sectors, but not
 much reduce, very little re-use, too much needless consumption - a
 popular book here tells you all sorts of ways to throw things away
 more creatively (which doesn't necessarily mean being more
 eco-friendly about it).

 Still, millions of people ride their bicycles to the rail station
 every day to go to work. Japanese trains are great!

  From a previous message:

[Japanese] Foreign Minister Taro Aso pointed out Friday that Japan's
oil efficiency is eight times better than that of China, quoting
data from International Energy Agency, an energy policy adviser to
26 industrialized countries.

I have told (Chinese Foreign Minister) Li Zhaoxing that China would
be able to curb its oil consumption to one-eighth (of the current
level) if (it) becomes like us, Aso said when asked to comment on
China's energy problems.

 So China's more wasteful than the US?

 I wonder if China will take that to mean that they can cut
 seven-eighths of their oil consumption if they do it like Japan or
 that they'll be able to produce eight times as much with the amount
 of oil they're using now.

 Best

 Keith


Dawie Coetzee wrote:
  This from another group:
 
  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/carfree_cities/message/10256
 
  Fuel-sipping trains
  June 11, 2007
 
 
  With energy prices high and likely to go higher in the years ahead,
  it would make sense for the nation to embrace a transportation
  policy that puts a premium on energy efficiency. Transportation,
  along with electrical power generation, is the country's biggest
  consumer 

Re: [Biofuel] Fuel-sipping trains

2007-06-15 Thread Mike Weaver
Immediate gratification.  That's a large part of why we are in this mess.



 Wonder what the payback time of those granite counters and appliances is?



 On 6/15/07, Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I wonder if you could look at the carbon output and extrapolate
 backwards
 to get a rough idea what the cost is.

 Interesting side note:  I was at the bus stop in my neighborhood, which
 is
 for lack of a better word, one of the more exclusive suburbs in the
 country, mosty due to its proximity to DC.  Many people are tearing down
 their small houses and building huge ones, or substantially remodeling
 what they have.  I fell into conversation with one neighbor doing the
 latter.  As the conversation started on the subject of the cost of gas
 and
 energy in general, I asked if they'd thought about solar for power, heat
 and hot water, a multi-fuel furnace - such as a Tarm and extra
 insulation,
 etc.  They'd thought about it, but realized that the $50,000 or so for
 the
 above was about the cost of granite counters and Sub Zero appliances in
 the kitchen, and after all, this was their dream house - wasn't it?

 High efficiency gas heating and cooling along with better windows are
 as
 far as most people here will go.




  http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg18995.html
  [biofuel] The Railroading of Amtrak
 
  http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg12055.html
  [biofuel] Subsidizing Trains, Planes And Automobiles
 
  (The whole discussion thread is linked at the end of the page.)
 
  Trains are a great way to travel, even better than ships. And the
  best way to commute.
 
 Like Keith stated so succinctly in a prior post,
 the USA isn't addicted to oil, it is addicted to
 waste.
 
  I didn't check it and I didn't download it either, but somebody was
  saying that people bandied the figure around a lot these days that
  the US had 5% of the world's population and uses 25% of the energy,
  but he'd seen data years ago that the US used 45% of the world's
  energy and he didn't think it had shrunk.
 
  I got to wondering what the figure might be if you included the full
  energy costs of the war in Iraq, for instance, or the full energy
  costs of the Empire's global military establishment, as someone like
  Chalmers Johnson might put it, along with all the support stuff that
  goes with it. For starters. What's the global energy bill of the US?
  (Or am I looking at it all wrong?)
 
  I don't suppose we'd ever find out. I'm not very surprised when
  energy data turns out to be mostly smoke and mirrors. That's been the
  case with oil reserves for a long time, especially with what Matt
  Simmons has had to say about it more recently. Nobody really knows,
  but that doesn't stop them lying about it.
 
  Whatever, a lot of list members have talked about the waste of energy
  in the US. Hakan, for instance, who'd know, said the US was IIRC
  about 30 years behind Sweden with energy efficient buildings. The
  section on world energy use at our website (which might be where the
  25% came from) says The average American uses twice as much energy
  as the average European or Japanese and 155 times as much as the
  average Nepalese. In terms of production, Americans produce more per
  head than Europeans and about the same as Japanese, but they use
  twice as much energy as the Japanese to do it.
  http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_404.html#energyuse
 
  I wouldn't say the Japanese are exactly paragons of energy
  efficiency. In some ways yes, with solar and K-trucks, for instance,
  but they've got a long way to go. There are way too many cars here,
  K-trucks notwithstanding, recycling's good in some sectors, but not
  much reduce, very little re-use, too much needless consumption - a
  popular book here tells you all sorts of ways to throw things away
  more creatively (which doesn't necessarily mean being more
  eco-friendly about it).
 
  Still, millions of people ride their bicycles to the rail station
  every day to go to work. Japanese trains are great!
 
   From a previous message:
 
 [Japanese] Foreign Minister Taro Aso pointed out Friday that Japan's
 oil efficiency is eight times better than that of China, quoting
 data from International Energy Agency, an energy policy adviser to
 26 industrialized countries.
 
 I have told (Chinese Foreign Minister) Li Zhaoxing that China would
 be able to curb its oil consumption to one-eighth (of the current
 level) if (it) becomes like us, Aso said when asked to comment on
 China's energy problems.
 
  So China's more wasteful than the US?
 
  I wonder if China will take that to mean that they can cut
  seven-eighths of their oil consumption if they do it like Japan or
  that they'll be able to produce eight times as much with the amount
  of oil they're using now.
 
  Best
 
  Keith
 
 
 Dawie Coetzee wrote:
   This from another group:
  
   http://groups.yahoo.com/group/carfree_cities/message/10256
  
   Fuel

Re: [Biofuel] Fuel-sipping trains

2007-06-15 Thread Mike Weaver
Hey Yewdall,

I DID MY PART when I traded in my Escalade for a Lexus SUV hybrid for the
commute downtown.  I didn't HAVE to spend the extra money BUT I DID
because it was the right thing to do. Now get off my back and let me enjoy
my lifestyle.

 Uuugh.   Forgot about property flipping.  But now that you mention it,
 they are ripping down 2,000 sq foot $800k houses in Boulder, just for
 the lot.   Ack.  Our society is nuts.

 This is one reason my town hasn't made too much effort to clean up the
 piles of abandoned cars along the road and in everyone's yard it
 keeps the property values under control and the yuppies out.  :)

 Z

 On 6/15/07, Chip Mefford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Zeke Yewdall wrote:
  Ah, but I think you may be including a non-monetary benefit...
  remember, for renewable energy or energy efficiency stuff, you can
  only include the strict monetary benefits when calculating payback.

 Nope, I'm talking property flipping.

 The sad but incontrovertible truth is, the larger
 the house, the greater the increase in resale value.

 Tracking housing costs since the building boom began
 in the early 50s, houses of 10,000 sf, (yes, that's
 correct, ten thousand square feet) have shown the
 highest rate of return in investment over time.
 5,000 less so, but still quite solid, 2,500 are
 decent investments, and 1,200 or less are only valuable
 for their lots. Fact. ugly but true.

 Boutique appliances, countertops and trophy
 stoves (that will never be used) are pretty
 much a requirement for flipping the property.

 This is why the cheaper interest rates are available for
 these purchases, because that money yields the highest
 return over similar type goods.

 This trend has been solid, with only a few hiccups for
 nigh on 60 years, and there is nothing to indicate there
 will a change anytime soon.

 Wonder why all this farm land in the Mid Atlantic
 region of the US (some of the  best and most fertile
 farm land in the world) is all being converted to tract
 mansions? Because that is the sweet spot for investment.
 5k+ sq ft houses garner the lowest interest rates and
 have the highest resale. No farm can compete with that,
 in this 'free market' economy. (I'd like to actually
 see a genuine free market economy someday, I keep
 hearing about it).

 I work in Loundon County Va, USA. Loundon Co is *the*
 textbook example of the worst land managment planning
 there is. Even the the union of concerned scientists
 used Loundon Co as their only negative example in the
 publication The Consumer's Guide to Effective Environmental Choices.

 Be that as it may, it's nearly impossible to loose money
 in this real estate market. Unless, you try to protect
 and preserve what little arable land is left.

 Mike Weaver lives in this region, and the neighbors of
 whom he speaks are everywhere. You'd have to see it.

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Re: [Biofuel] Fuel-sipping trains

2007-06-15 Thread Mike Weaver
Actually 2 years - but the ashtray was full and power carpet wasn't working.


 LOL.  I bet your Escalade was 3 years old, and you didn't want to be
 seen in that old a car anyway.  But, I applaud getting the Lexus
 instead of just a newer Escalade.  :)

 On 6/15/07, Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hey Yewdall,

 I DID MY PART when I traded in my Escalade for a Lexus SUV hybrid for
 the
 commute downtown.  I didn't HAVE to spend the extra money BUT I DID
 because it was the right thing to do. Now get off my back and let me
 enjoy
 my lifestyle.

  Uuugh.   Forgot about property flipping.  But now that you mention it,
  they are ripping down 2,000 sq foot $800k houses in Boulder, just for
  the lot.   Ack.  Our society is nuts.
 
  This is one reason my town hasn't made too much effort to clean up the
  piles of abandoned cars along the road and in everyone's yard it
  keeps the property values under control and the yuppies out.  :)
 
  Z
 
  On 6/15/07, Chip Mefford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Zeke Yewdall wrote:
   Ah, but I think you may be including a non-monetary benefit...
   remember, for renewable energy or energy efficiency stuff, you can
   only include the strict monetary benefits when calculating payback.
 
  Nope, I'm talking property flipping.
 
  The sad but incontrovertible truth is, the larger
  the house, the greater the increase in resale value.
 
  Tracking housing costs since the building boom began
  in the early 50s, houses of 10,000 sf, (yes, that's
  correct, ten thousand square feet) have shown the
  highest rate of return in investment over time.
  5,000 less so, but still quite solid, 2,500 are
  decent investments, and 1,200 or less are only valuable
  for their lots. Fact. ugly but true.
 
  Boutique appliances, countertops and trophy
  stoves (that will never be used) are pretty
  much a requirement for flipping the property.
 
  This is why the cheaper interest rates are available for
  these purchases, because that money yields the highest
  return over similar type goods.
 
  This trend has been solid, with only a few hiccups for
  nigh on 60 years, and there is nothing to indicate there
  will a change anytime soon.
 
  Wonder why all this farm land in the Mid Atlantic
  region of the US (some of the  best and most fertile
  farm land in the world) is all being converted to tract
  mansions? Because that is the sweet spot for investment.
  5k+ sq ft houses garner the lowest interest rates and
  have the highest resale. No farm can compete with that,
  in this 'free market' economy. (I'd like to actually
  see a genuine free market economy someday, I keep
  hearing about it).
 
  I work in Loundon County Va, USA. Loundon Co is *the*
  textbook example of the worst land managment planning
  there is. Even the the union of concerned scientists
  used Loundon Co as their only negative example in the
  publication The Consumer's Guide to Effective Environmental Choices.
 
  Be that as it may, it's nearly impossible to loose money
  in this real estate market. Unless, you try to protect
  and preserve what little arable land is left.
 
  Mike Weaver lives in this region, and the neighbors of
  whom he speaks are everywhere. You'd have to see it.
 
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[Biofuel] Meanwhile, back in the US of A: A price to pay for alternative fuels

2007-06-09 Thread Mike Weaver
THOSE WHO MAKE THEIR OWN ENVIRONMENT-FRIENDLY GAS CAN AVOID PAIN AT THE
PUMP BUT NOT THE TAXES.
A price to pay for alternative fuels
Some N.C. officials seek relief from obscure laws
BRUCE HENDERSON
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Bob Teixeira decided it was time to take a stand against U.S. dependence
on foreign oil.

So last fall the Charlotte musician and guitar instructor spent $1,200 to
convert his 1981 diesel Mercedes to run on vegetable oil. He bought
soybean oil in 5-gallon jugs at Costco, spending about 30 percent more
than diesel would cost.

His reward, from a state that heavily promotes alternative fuels: a $1,000
fine last month for not paying motor fuel taxes.

He's been told to expect another $1,000 fine from the federal government.

And to legally use veggie oil, state officials told him, he would have to
first post a $2,500 bond.

Teixeira is one of a growing number of fuel-it-yourselfers -- backyard
brewers who recycle restaurant grease or make moonshine for their car
tanks. They do it to save money, reduce pollution or thumb their noses at
oil sheiks.

They're also caught in a web of little-known state laws that can stifle
energy independence.

State Sen. Stan Bingham, R-Davidson, is known around Raleigh for his
diesel Volkswagen fueled by used soybean oil. The car sports a Goodbye,
OPEC sign.

If somebody was going to go to this much trouble to drive around in a car
that uses soybean oil, they ought to be exempt from state taxes, he said.

The N.C. Department of Revenue, which fined Teixeira, has asked
legislators to waive the $2,500 bond for small fuel users. The department
also told Teixeira, after the Observer asked about his case this week,
that it will compromise on his fine.

But officials say they'll keep pursuing taxes on all fuels used in highway
vehicles. With its 29.9-cent a gallon gas tax, the state collects $1.2
billion each year to pay for road construction.

With the high cost of fuel right now, the department does recognize that
a lot of people are looking for relief, said Reggie Little, assistant
director of the motor fuel taxes division. We're not here to hurt the
small guy, we're just trying to make sure that the playing field is
level.

Use promoted, little regulation

State policies firmly endorse alternative fuels.In 2005 legislators
directed state agencies to replace 20 percent of their annual petroleum
use with alternatives by 2010. About 6,000 of the state's 8,500 vehicles
are equipped to use ethanol. The state fleet also includes about 135
gas-electric hybrids.

Few states, however, are prepared to regulate the new fuels, says the
National VegOil Board, which promotes vegetable oil fuel.

State offices do not have the forms to appropriately and fairly deal with
VegOil, nor the staff to enforce the non-existent forms, said director
Cynthia Shelton. So either they tell people inquiring about compliance to
get lost, or they make them jump through a bunch of arbitrary hoops.

Outraged Illinois legislators this spring quickly waived that state's
$2,500 bond requirement when an elderly man was nabbed for using waste
vegetable oil.

In the mountain district of state Sen. John Snow, D-Cherokee, home-brewed
ethanol was once known as moonshine. But a couple of constituents who made
it for fuel have been fined for the same tax violation that got Teixeira
in trouble.

Snow has introduced several bills to promote biodiesel, which under state
law includes vegetable oil.

One of the biggest problems in the state is a real lack of information
for people who want to use alternative fuels, said Snow's research
assistant, Jonathan Ducote. It's just now appearing on (regulators')
radar.

Done in by bumper sticker

Teixeira's story began near Lowe's Motor Speedway on May 14. As
recreational vehicles streamed in for race week, revenue investigators
were checking fuel tanks of diesel RVs for illegal fuel.

The investigators quickly spotted Teixeira's passing bumper sticker:
Powered by 100% vegetable oil.

It was like some twist of fate that put me there, he said. It was like
I was asking for them to stop me.

Teixeira says revenue officials are just doing their jobs. But he thinks
it's unfair that he was lumped with people who purposely try to avoid fuel
taxes.

Individuals who are trying to do the right thing environmentally cannot
and should not continue to take this kind of financial hit, he wrote Gov.
Mike Easley.

Teixeira says he'll pay the state fine and apply for a state fuel license.
But pumping regular diesel again broke my heart.

I'm ready to get myself legal, he said, and start using vegetable oil
again.

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Re: [Biofuel] pH meters

2007-06-04 Thread Mike Weaver
My Hanna's been ok - it was around 40-50 USD.  I'm sure you could get a
better one, though.  I've been pretty good about calibrating it.  I
haven't used an Oakton.  Some people have had good luck with finding a
meter at places that sell beer-brewing supplies.

YMMV,

Mike


 Joshua,

 I would suggest a Oakton ultra basic PH tester.  If you visit you
 local hydroponics shop I am sure they will have one for you.  I suggest
 staying away from a Hanna meter.

 Aidan
 1990 VW Jetta on WVO four years +



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Hello,
Im making some biodiesel and I'm having some difficulty finding a
 reasonably priced electronic pH meter to purchase so I can test the
 virgin oil and the resulting biodiesel. it would be appreciated if anyone
 with an answer or some knowledge in this area could steer me in the right
 direction.

Joshua

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Re: [Biofuel] U.S. government fights to keep meatpackers from testing all slaughtered cattle for mad cow

2007-06-04 Thread Mike Weaver
So why doesn't Creekstone just test in Canada or Mexico or anywhere the
USDA doesn't have jurisdiction?

Fedex.


 the government doesnt want the extent of mad cow to be known as it is high
 in some areas.


 Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   See also:

 http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6711179.stm
 BBC NEWS
 EU urged to relax farm feed rules
 1 June 2007
The European Commission has been urged to lift the ban on using
animal remains in farm feed. EU scientists are looking at the safety
of using animal by-products...

 What safety is that? Some people never learn. - K

 --

 The EU is currently funding research on the impacts of feeding animal
 carcasses to other farm animals.
 U.S. government fights to keep meatpackers from testing all
 slaughtered cattle for mad cow
 The Associated Press
 Published: May 29, 2007

 WASHINGTON: The Bush administration said Tuesday it will fight to
 keep meatpackers from testing all their animals for mad cow disease.

 The Agriculture Department tests fewer than 1 percent of slaughtered
 cows for the disease, which can be fatal to humans who eat tainted
 beef. A beef producer in the western state of Kansas, Creekstone
 Farms Premium Beef, wants to test all of its cows.

 Larger meat companies feared that move because, if Creekstone should
 test its meat and advertised it as safe, they might have to perform
 the expensive tests on their larger herds as well.

 The Agriculture Department regulates the test and argued that
 widespread testing could lead to a false positive that would harm the
 meat industry.

 A federal judge ruled in March that such tests must be allowed. U.S.
 District Judge James Robertson noted that Creekstone sought to use
 the same test the government relies on and said the government didn't
 have the authority to restrict it. - A federal judge ruled in March
 that such tests must be allowed. The ruling was scheduled to take
 effect June 1, but the Agriculture Department said Tuesday it would
 appeal, effectively delaying the testing until the court challenge
 has played out.

 Mad cow disease, or bovine spongiform encephalopathy, is linked to
 more than 150 human deaths worldwide, mostly in Britain.

 Three cases of mad cow disease have been found in the United States.
 The first, in December 2003 in Washington state, was in a cow that
 had been imported from Canada. The second, in 2005, was in a cow born
 in Texas. The third was confirmed last year in an Alabama cow.

 Found at:
 http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/05/29/america/NA-GEN-US-Mad-Cow.ph
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Re: [Biofuel] U.S. government fights to keep meatpackers from testing all slaughtered cattle for mad cow

2007-06-04 Thread Mike Weaver
Same problem in NH w/ deer.

 prob the highest incidence in North America is in the US
   Colrado Springs is a problem area. It spread into the local deer
 population.

 Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   So why doesn't Creekstone just test in Canada or Mexico or anywhere the
 USDA doesn't have jurisdiction?

 Fedex.


 the government doesnt want the extent of mad cow to be known as it is
 high
 in some areas.


 Keith Addison wrote:
 See also:

 http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6711179.stm
 BBC NEWS
 EU urged to relax farm feed rules
 1 June 2007
The European Commission has been urged to lift the ban on using
animal remains in farm feed. EU scientists are looking at the safety
of using animal by-products...

 What safety is that? Some people never learn. - K

 --

 The EU is currently funding research on the impacts of feeding animal
 carcasses to other farm animals.
 U.S. government fights to keep meatpackers from testing all
 slaughtered cattle for mad cow
 The Associated Press
 Published: May 29, 2007

 WASHINGTON: The Bush administration said Tuesday it will fight to
 keep meatpackers from testing all their animals for mad cow disease.

 The Agriculture Department tests fewer than 1 percent of slaughtered
 cows for the disease, which can be fatal to humans who eat tainted
 beef. A beef producer in the western state of Kansas, Creekstone
 Farms Premium Beef, wants to test all of its cows.

 Larger meat companies feared that move because, if Creekstone should
 test its meat and advertised it as safe, they might have to perform
 the expensive tests on their larger herds as well.

 The Agriculture Department regulates the test and argued that
 widespread testing could lead to a false positive that would harm the
 meat industry.

 A federal judge ruled in March that such tests must be allowed. U.S.
 District Judge James Robertson noted that Creekstone sought to use
 the same test the government relies on and said the government didn't
 have the authority to restrict it. - A federal judge ruled in March
 that such tests must be allowed. The ruling was scheduled to take
 effect June 1, but the Agriculture Department said Tuesday it would
 appeal, effectively delaying the testing until the court challenge
 has played out.

 Mad cow disease, or bovine spongiform encephalopathy, is linked to
 more than 150 human deaths worldwide, mostly in Britain.

 Three cases of mad cow disease have been found in the United States.
 The first, in December 2003 in Washington state, was in a cow that
 had been imported from Canada. The second, in 2005, was in a cow born
 in Texas. The third was confirmed last year in an Alabama cow.

 Found at:
 http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/05/29/america/NA-GEN-US-Mad-Cow.ph
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Re: [Biofuel] How America is betraying the hungry children of Africa

2007-05-28 Thread Mike Weaver
Let Them Eat Promises


 Food vs fuel? US ethanol and tortilla riots?

 Why are these people in Malawi growing maize and soy anyway? Hardly
 their best choice.

 See also:

 http://snipurl.com/rcij
 [Biofuel] Bushfood

 http://snipurl.com/rcik
 [Biofuel] Myth: More US aid will help the hungry

 http://snipurl.com/rcim
 Re: [Biofuel] US Foreign aid
 Food Dumping [Aid] Maintains Poverty

 http://snipurl.com/rcig
 [Biofuel] The US and Foreign Aid Assistance

 http://snipurl.com/rcih
 [Biofuel] Famines as Commercial Opportunity

 http://snipurl.com/rcii
 [Biofuel] Famine As Commerce

 http://snipurl.com/rcin
 [Biofuel] Inequality in wealth

 - Keith

 

 http://observer.guardian.co.uk/foodmonthly/story/0,,2086227,00.html
 | Food monthly | The Observer

 Special investigation

 How America is betraying the hungry children of Africa

 Edina gets a free mug of porridge each day. Good news? Well, it is
 for the US government who dumps its leftovers in the name of charity.
 Read more from Alex Renton on food aid on our brand new food blog,
 Word of Mouth and join the debate

 Sunday May 27, 2007
 The Observer

 It's early May and Malawi seems to be awash with corn. On the roads,
 trucks heavy with pale yellow maize heads rumble from the fields; in
 the villages nearly every woman and child is at work stripping the
 little kernels from their cobs, singing the harvest songs that give a
 rhythm to their work. Other women are pounding the maize with a giant
 pestle and mortar into flour to make the national staple dish - nzima
 - corn mash. (The men mostly seem to be occupied drinking the new
 season's maize beer.) It has been the best harvest in a dozen years
 or more. So why - and this is what we've come here to ask - in this
 time of historic plenty, is the rich world still sending its unwanted
 food to Malawi?

 This little southern-African country has had a rough decade.
 Staggering under the effects of an Aids epidemic that affects one in
 five of the population in some districts, there were famines here in
 2002, 2003 and one in 2005, when a third of Malawi's 13 million
 people ran out of food. Until this April, over 300,000 were still
 being fed emergency rations by the United Nations World Food
 Programme. Malawi deserved a good year.

 But record harvests don't necessarily guarantee good times. 'We have
 so much maize this year - thanks be to God,' says Felicita Bailoni.
 'But we have a problem over where to sell it. It's not just that the
 price is so low because there is so much maize, there isn't anyone to
 sell it to. The traders normally visit the village but they haven't
 come.' Felicita, 59, talks as she rubs the kernels from a cob into a
 basin before her. Even in the time of plentiful food she's worried.
 She and her husband Stephen look after her two grandchildren, whose
 mother died three years ago, and two other orphans.

 Most households in their village, Kunthembwe, have taken in the
 children of those who have died from Aids - which is particularly
 severe here around Blantyre in southern Malawi. Felicita and her
 enlarged family have more than enough food for today and for the year
 ahead - but they need cash to pay the children's school fees, for
 clothes and other necessities. And maize corn is so plentiful at the
 moment it fetches only eight Malawian kwacha, or about 3p a kilo - if
 you can sell it. In 2005, the price went up to 50 kwacha a kilo. The
 Bailonis are hoping to sell 100 50kg bags of corn ears - the cobs are
 lying round the back of their two-room house in a vast wooden cradle
 designed to keep the rats away. 'But if we wait till the price goes
 up, the weevils will spoil our maize,' says Felicita. 'We can only
 sit and worry.'

 'The price is so low,' says Charles Rethman, a Malawi-based analyst
 of what the NGOs call 'food security', 'that we have a concern now
 about next year. Farmers will be put off growing maize, and they
 won't have the cash to buy the seeds for the next planting. So in
 2008 we're looking at the possibility of another food crisis. So it's
 really important that we do everything we can to get the price up to
 a level that rewards the farmers.'

 With so much cheap corn available Rethman is bemused by a US
 government deal, announced in April, to ship $19.5 million of
 American corn and soya to Malawi as food aid. 'It's a nonsense,' he
 says.

 Everywhere I go in the little villages in the shadow of Michiru
 mountain I hear the same story. Plenty of maize but no market. This
 affects the very poorest. In one village I meet Lena Butao, a
 24-year-old whose mother died last year, her father in 2003. (Aids
 has brought a collapse in life expectancy in Malawi to just 37
 years). She looks after her three brothers and sisters, the youngest
 only 10. They managed to harvest 18 bags of maize from their parents'
 field, but it won't see them through this year. Lena needs to raise
 money to pay for school fees, soap, clothes and for medicine. She's
 in 

[Biofuel] Hybrid Solar House

2007-05-28 Thread Mike Weaver
http://enertia.com/Science/HowItWorks/tabid/68/Default.aspx


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[Biofuel] BBC Greg Palast Rove Voter Fraud Story

2007-05-26 Thread Mike Weaver

This interview conducted on May 26, 2007 on the Alex Jones Show exposes
criminal behavior in our government that should be on every major news
media program in America . . . but it is conspicuously absent.  Our media
is so massively controlled every single American should be screaming in
the streets with outrage!  We do not have a free press in this country. 
The evidence presented in this interview is outrageous and the total
blackout of it exposes just how completely our media is controlled and how
much information is kept from us.  And it conveys the true sense or
urgency we all should be feeling about the fact that we need to rise up
and confront this suppression of information before it goes any further by
uniting around the Kick Them All Out Project to mount a full frontal
assault!

Please listen to this story and send this link to all your friends and
family.




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Re: [Biofuel] Newbie Seeking Diesel Van Recommendations

2007-05-24 Thread Mike Weaver
I think your best bet is a Ford or Chevy.  They are hard to find but 
worth the look.

Joe Street wrote:

 Look for a mitsubishi delica.  A buddy of mine just imported one with 
 low miles from Japan.  He loves it.

 Joe

 Luke Kareklas wrote:

 Hello All, 

 I am a Kid's Birthday Party Entertainer, as well as a Juggler, 
 Magician, and Balloon Guy.

 I live in the Midwest, and have all 4 seasons during the year, if 
 this is a helpful bit of information. 
  
 Lately my entertainment business has gotten really busy and it's come 
 time for me to buy a larger vehicle. I have been a fan of alternative 
 fuels for years, but never pursued a diesel vehicle.

 I would like recommendations on what type of deisel van would you 
 recommend that would most easily transfer over to a SVO, WVO, or 
 biodiesel system for me to drive? I am looking for a 1/2 or 3/4 ton 
 van, not really a minivan type of vehicle.

 Again, I am naive and new to all this and hope your thoughts will 
 help ground me and get me pointed in the right direction. I guess I 
 have to go buy a diesel vehicle before I can get moving on SVO, WVO, 
 or Biodiesel fueling, right?
 Thank you very much.

 Luke
  

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 *Luke the Juggler*
 *614-764-8010*

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Re: [Biofuel] Newbie Seeking Diesel Van Recommendations

2007-05-24 Thread Mike Weaver
A Toyo would be a much better deal than a big huge Ford but I don't 
think you'l be able to find one
in the US.  I've looked with no success.  You *may* be able to bring one 
in from Canada or
some people buy a diesel engine from Japan and swap.  I gave it a pretty 
good shot myself, then decided to keep the old gasser Highlux and got a 
VW Golf.

Good luck.

Keith Addison wrote:

Hello Luke, welcome

I don't think you're after a US-made behemoth. Some months ago 
someone in the US asked me this question. I recommended that they try 
to find a Toyota TownAce, which is what we have here in Japan. 
Second-hand TownAces are exported from Japan worldwide, including to 
the US (via Canada). He managed to find one and was very happy with 
it. The TownAce is one of the few older cars that are commonly seen 
on Japan's roads, and they don't look out of place. A classic. Ours 
is a 1990 TownAce 4WD 1.97-litre 4-cyl turbo diesel van. We've had it 
for four years and have never put any petro-diesel in it, biodiesel 
and SVO only. The 4-wheel drive is really good, by the way. Actually 
it's one of the nicest cars I've had. This site might help:
http://www.toyotavanpeople.com/index.html
ToyotaVanPeople.com

Best

Keith



  

Yeah, for that size, a Ford or Chevy is probably the best bet.  I am 
not a fan of these engines -- complicated because they are V-8's 
instead of inline designs, and impossible to work on because of the 
van body.  But the only other thing to suggest is is a Isuzu NPR or 
Mitsubishi Fuso -- much easier to work on, but quite a bit bigger -- 
more like a 1 ton or 2 ton size.  I love ours, but we can use a 
16,000 lb vehicle with a 16 foot box.   We get 10 to 11mpg on B100. 
If you are looking to buy new, the dodge sprinter diesel is a very 
nice option -- probably won't find a used one of those though.

On 5/23/07, Mike Weaver 
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I think your best bet is a Ford or Chevy.  They are hard to find but
worth the look.

Joe Street wrote:



Look for a mitsubishi delica.  A buddy of mine just imported one with
low miles from Japan.  He loves it.

Joe

Luke Kareklas wrote:

  

Hello All,

I am a Kid's Birthday Party Entertainer, as well as a Juggler,
Magician, and Balloon Guy.

I live in the Midwest, and have all 4 seasons during the year, if
this is a helpful bit of information.

Lately my entertainment business has gotten really busy and it's come
time for me to buy a larger vehicle. I have been a fan of alternative
fuels for years, but never pursued a diesel vehicle.

I would like recommendations on what type of deisel van would you
recommend that would most easily transfer over to a SVO, WVO, or
biodiesel system for me to drive? I am looking for a 1/2 or 3/4 ton
van, not really a minivan type of vehicle.

Again, I am naive and new to all this and hope your thoughts will
help ground me and get me pointed in the right direction. I guess I
have to go buy a diesel vehicle before I can get moving on SVO, WVO,
or Biodiesel fueling, right?
Thank you very much.

Luke


Luke Kareklas
*Luke the Juggler*
*614-764-8010*

http://www.LuketheJuggler.comwww.LuketheJuggler.com 


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Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: US Gasoline Prices Hit All Time Historical Highest Level - Adjusted For Inflation

2007-05-23 Thread Mike Weaver
Maybe an open source car?
The problem with new cars is that they can't be fixed.  I knew someone 
who got a new BMW 540 and it was replaced by insurance after the radio was
stolen.  Wiring and electronics too messed up to fix.  80k disposable car!



Dawie Coetzee wrote:

 The problem I've got with the Smart is that it embodies the motor 
 industry's kind of closed-technology, capital-intensive, 
 disposable, owner-unfixable, economies-of-scale-sensitive approach as 
 much any other new car: possibly even more. I've often wondered if it 
 can be corrected by a few minor tweaks, but every time I've done that 
 exercise I've found that I'd very early cast out every last vestige of 
 the Smart and designed an Austin Seven instead!
  
 Also, the Smart's brief is to do the job that ought to be done by 
 walking. -D

 - Original Message 
 From: Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
 Sent: Monday, 21 May, 2007 11:28:29 PM
 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: US Gasoline Prices Hit All Time Historical 
 Highest Level - Adjusted For Inflation

 Still, this morning as I went into the city in my relatively small VW
 Biodiesel Golf, I saw hundreds of single occupant SUVs
 pass me.  Why don't we have smart cars in the US?  I don't even need a
 VW most of the time.  All I need to carry is a few computers and a
 tools.


 Keith Addison wrote:

 If you put a bit more effort into it I'm sure you can hit $10 a 
 gallon soon.
 
 http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg69797.html
 Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: Gas Station Owner Told to Raise Prices
 
 Best
 
 Keith
 
 
   
 
 US Gasoline Prices Hit All Time Historical Highest Level - Adjusted
 For Inflation
 
 US average, self-serve, unleaded regular hits $3.18
 
 This is a point we have been dreading. Before this,
 the all time highest US average gasoline (regular) price
 was during 1981 (March IIRC). Adjusted for inflation,
 we finally topped it, and appear to be still climbing at a
 steady pace. It was announced on the news yesterday
 (Sunday) on PBS.
 
 CNN verifies it, today:
 http://money.cnn.com/2007/05/21/news/economy/record_gas_monday/
 
 Here is a webpage, anticipating it, but not being able
 to anticipate what the number would be, or when it
 would get reached:
 http://www.answers.com/topic/oil-price-increases-of-2004-2006
 
 We got close in 2006
 http://blogs.usatoday.com/ondeadline/2006/07/gas_prices_allt.html
 
 We got closer, earlier this month:
 http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=21867
 
 http://zfacts.com/p/35.html
 
 This website that was set up to say gasoline is cheap
 now shows that today it has gotten expensive, by their
 standards. http://www.nationalreview.com/moore/moore082803chart.asp
 
 http://infohost.nmt.edu/~armiller/gasprices.htm 
 http://infohost.nmt.edu/%7Earmiller/gasprices.htm
 
 This one will give you an idea of the kind of misleading
 verse that we were being fed by Washington, and that
 some propagandists still spout, even in the face of reality.
 http://www.cted.wa.gov/energy/archive/Indicators99/Indicator24.htm
 
 Here is a radical, George Will, trying to make fun of
 the concern about gasoline prices, just last month. However,
 since then, the pump price has gone up 18% (since last month)
 and is now at the highest price in history, both in actual dollars,
 and also in inflation adjusted dollars.
 http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/04/AR200
 7040402251.html
 
 http://jalopnik.com/cars/gas-prices/never-mind-the-4-per-gallon-heres
 -the-summer-road-trips-61124.php This one would be funny, if it
 weren't so sad: from last month: Quote: says Tom Kloza, chief oil
 analyst for the Oil Price Information Service, an energy consulting
 firm. The reality is that we're nearing the highs of the year, and
 within 30 days there will be more gasoline on the market The article
 was dated 4/25/2007, twenty six days ago, and the quote was from
 before that. Those prices better drop fast. Instead they have
 climbed about 15%. Here is an other quote from the deceptive
 experts: The most recent Energy Dept. forecast, released Apr.10,
 predicted retail regular gasoline prices would average $2.81 per
 gallon in the summer of 2007 (April-September). We are already
 nearly 40% through that time, and prices are still climbing. Here is
 another one: We expect to see prices flatten around where they are
 now, says Douglas MacIntyre, senior oil analyst for the f
 ederal Energy Information Administration, part of the DOE. More
 refinery outages and higher crude prices could push it to $3 Since
 then the price has climbed about 18%, to $3.18, the highest price in
 history. More: experts say consumers are actually getting a bargain
 at the pump, as prices are still lower than in the early 1980s,
 adjusted for inflation. Since then the price has climbed about 18%,
 to $3.18, the highest pump price in history. Another: On a national
 average, gasoline prices actually decreased for the week of Apr

Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: US Gasoline Prices Hit All Time Historical Highest Level - Adjusted For Inflation

2007-05-22 Thread Mike Weaver
Still, this morning as I went into the city in my relatively small VW 
Biodiesel Golf, I saw hundreds of single occupant SUVs
pass me.  Why don't we have smart cars in the US?  I don't even need a 
VW most of the time.  All I need to carry is a few computers and a
tools.


Keith Addison wrote:

If you put a bit more effort into it I'm sure you can hit $10 a gallon soon.

http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg69797.html
Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: Gas Station Owner Told to Raise Prices

Best

Keith


  

US Gasoline Prices Hit All Time Historical Highest Level - Adjusted 
For Inflation

US average, self-serve, unleaded regular hits $3.18

This is a point we have been dreading. Before this,
the all time highest US average gasoline (regular) price
was during 1981 (March IIRC). Adjusted for inflation,
we finally topped it, and appear to be still climbing at a
steady pace. It was announced on the news yesterday
(Sunday) on PBS.

CNN verifies it, today:
http://money.cnn.com/2007/05/21/news/economy/record_gas_monday/

Here is a webpage, anticipating it, but not being able
to anticipate what the number would be, or when it
would get reached:
http://www.answers.com/topic/oil-price-increases-of-2004-2006

We got close in 2006
http://blogs.usatoday.com/ondeadline/2006/07/gas_prices_allt.html

We got closer, earlier this month:
http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=21867

http://zfacts.com/p/35.html

This website that was set up to say gasoline is cheap
now shows that today it has gotten expensive, by their
standards. http://www.nationalreview.com/moore/moore082803chart.asp

http://infohost.nmt.edu/~armiller/gasprices.htm

This one will give you an idea of the kind of misleading
verse that we were being fed by Washington, and that
some propagandists still spout, even in the face of reality.
http://www.cted.wa.gov/energy/archive/Indicators99/Indicator24.htm

Here is a radical, George Will, trying to make fun of
the concern about gasoline prices, just last month. However,
since then, the pump price has gone up 18% (since last month)
and is now at the highest price in history, both in actual dollars,
and also in inflation adjusted dollars.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/04/AR200 
7040402251.html

http://jalopnik.com/cars/gas-prices/never-mind-the-4-per-gallon-heres 
-the-summer-road-trips-61124.php This one would be funny, if it 
weren't so sad: from last month: Quote: says Tom Kloza, chief oil 
analyst for the Oil Price Information Service, an energy consulting 
firm. The reality is that we're nearing the highs of the year, and 
within 30 days there will be more gasoline on the market The article 
was dated 4/25/2007, twenty six days ago, and the quote was from 
before that. Those prices better drop fast. Instead they have 
climbed about 15%. Here is an other quote from the deceptive 
experts: The most recent Energy Dept. forecast, released Apr.10, 
predicted retail regular gasoline prices would average $2.81 per 
gallon in the summer of 2007 (April-September). We are already 
nearly 40% through that time, and prices are still climbing. Here is 
another one: We expect to see prices flatten around where they are 
now, says Douglas MacIntyre, senior oil analyst for the f
ederal Energy Information Administration, part of the DOE. More 
refinery outages and higher crude prices could push it to $3 Since 
then the price has climbed about 18%, to $3.18, the highest price in 
history. More: experts say consumers are actually getting a bargain 
at the pump, as prices are still lower than in the early 1980s, 
adjusted for inflation. Since then the price has climbed about 18%, 
to $3.18, the highest pump price in history. Another: On a national 
average, gasoline prices actually decreased for the week of Apr. 23, 
falling 0.7 to $2.87 per gallon 
http://news.yahoo.com/s/bw/20070426/bs_bw/apr2007db20070426139334Since 
then the price has climbed 11%, to $3.18, the highest price in 
history. Also the old record year 1981 only averaged $2.64 (adjusted 
to 2006 dollars) while 2006 averaged $2.81, and this year is looking 
to set a new record average, not just the highest price records. . 
http://www.swivel.com/data_columns/spreadsheet/2690244 However, 
gasoline is
still a lot more expensive in other countries. And another curious 
fact. Adjusted for inflation, the cost of oil was around $90 a 
barrel, back in 1981. It is hanging at around 2/3rds of that today. 
The difference is going to the oil companies, not for the purchase 
of oil. They are currently, with two oil men in the White house, 
reaping the largest profits of any companies in the history of the 
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Re: [Biofuel] Governments using filters to censor Internet, survey finds

2007-05-22 Thread Mike Weaver
What are you running?  DD-WRT?  That's what I run on my Buffalos.
Been tinkering with antennas some.

Joe Street wrote:

 Hey Doug;

 I have always noticed your amateur radio callsign attached to your 
 signature.  I looked you up on QRZ.com and see you have an advanced 
 rating. So now that this subject has come up I have to ask if you have 
 any involvement with the Hinternet or any HSMM activity on the 9cm 
 amateur band?? About 10 years ago I began playing with microwaves and 
 set a record (along with VE3SMA) on the 24 Ghz band at 76km using 1mW 
 of power and a surplus military radar dish.  That experience made it 
 pretty easy for me to build a hinternet node using a junked satelite 
 tv dish hacked to a wireless router which I have reprogrammed with new 
 firmware.( not necessary but gives increased functionality to the 
 router)  I believe it is important for the techies and especially ones 
 who hang around places like this to take some steps towards holding 
 ground with information connectivity.  Ever considered it? I can show 
 you how.

 72
 Joe (ve3vxo)

 Doug Younker wrote:

MK DuPree wrote:
  

Anyone know how JTF List members can know if JTF is ever filtered?  
Would each member stop receiving posts to the List?  Would we each 
receive only certain posts?  Thanks in advance for any ideas, comment.  
Mike DuPree



As I read the article what was labeled, filtering would more 
accurately be called, blocking access to to web content.  As in the U. 
S. military recent action of blocking service personnel's access to 
myspace, youtube along with other web pages.   This access is blocked 
when using military computers, LANs, but not from other internet access 
options like home and public computers.
Doug, N0LKK

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Re: [Biofuel] EMF-Omega-News 5. May 2007 (April articles)

2007-05-18 Thread Mike Weaver
Two legs bad.
Four legs good.

Keith Addison wrote:

I can see what you're saying Mike, and I agree, but it has a limited 
sense. I think you should be more inclusive

Certainly, as you said, We are all bound to each other and the 
planet in a grand scheme of interdependence, where what happens to a 
part affects the whole. We're all in the same lifeboat. However, 
right now, we don't have the freedom or the independence to make this 
interdependence a reality, or at least not in our political and 
economic behaviour. We've become dependent on the wrong things, we're 
like drug addicts, and as such we deny the interdependence that is 
our natural state. We have to free ourselves of these inimical 
influences.

Freedom from oppression, from injustice and exploitation, the 
independence of communities where such freedoms are upheld, and of 
the individuals that comprise such communites, these are real enough 
terms, clear, useful, not evil.

Where Dawie comes from, and where I also come from, they were 
extremely real and immediate up until quite recently, and probably 
still are, if perhaps in a somewhat different way.

I don't think Dawie needs to provide any documentation, IMHO.

Best

Keith


  

Freedom and Independence...Obfuscation.
Dawie, I suspect we probably do have the same beef with the 
same stuff, but I'm not sure we agree on the reasons for the same 
stuff, especially if you can't understand why I want to eliminate 
freedom and independence from the vocabulary.  These are sloppy 
words, based upon a superficial view of the world. And ultimately 
they are used to enslave NOT to free or make anyone independent, 
which just can't happen because there IS no freedom, there IS no 
independence.
  You say I must maintain that these terms, and the ideas that 
they embody, are much older than the 'minority who want us to 
believe the supposed reality of these words' of which you speak. 
Both terms have a rich history in the common tongue, and 
consequently a wealth of meanings and senses and associations, some 
of which quite contradict others. Especially 'freedom' has such an 
abundance of honourable associations that it would be unwise to 
reject it for the sake of a recent pernicious sense. Documentation 
please.  Huge task, I know, but you're the one making this 
statement, so I'd like to read your evidence as to such.  I'm going 
to suggest that the history of these words will reveal their 
appearance alongside the rise of the human community and 
especially leadership who would use the community to further their 
personal ends, no matter how many lives their personal ends might 
require.
I would also like to assuage your fear that, if 'freedom' is 
susceptible to an evil interpretation, how much moreso might an idea 
be that is specifically placed counter to freedom?  Take away 
freedom, reveal the word for the impostor that it is, and there 
can be no idea counter to it.
As far as your comments go in the paragraph regarding the 
common tongue and buying the meaning etc, no problemo.  Not sure 
what this has to do with the elimination of freedom and 
independence.  I stated in an earlier response I have no problem 
with and in fact accept individuality.
So, Man does not live by bread alone, eh?  I much prefer 
Praise Allah, but first tie your camel to a post, a Sufi saying. 
And hell yes I would do my level best to stop someone from 
strangling folks in the neighborhood (unless the folks they were 
strangling were freedom and independence), but it is NOT my 
freedom and independence I would be risking to stop them...it 
would be my individuality.
References to Schumacher etc, ok.
Next paragraph, about losing left wingers because of some 
illogical chain of ideas proceeding from the word individuality, I 
really don't give a damn.  If they go that route with the word, then 
they deserve the chains they perceive the imperialists lock upon 
them.  The live in fear, not in love.  They live in too much concern 
for what the Jones's are up to and not in what they should be up to. 
When they spend more time keeping the weeds out of their own gardens 
and helping their neighbors do same, in other words, maintaining a 
healthy environment for the world to grow, there will be no room for 
the imperialists.  Comprende?
Finally, no, no need to ask independence of what.  There IS 
NO independence to ask of what.  So I'm not sure what your 
unstated predicate might be.
These are evil words, Dawie, especially for how they have been 
used to turn our attention from reality and enslave humanity to the 
extent that we have all the crap being produced that is upsetting 
the delicate balance to carry on LIFE, LIFE that is INDIVIDUAL and 
INTERDEPENDENT, not free and independent.
Mike DuPree

   



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[Biofuel] 2008 elections

2007-05-17 Thread Mike Weaver
*“The wheels have come off, the engine is on fire and no one is 
driving,” Captain David Iglesias told me yesterday. I’d asked the Naval 
Reserve officer, heading off to duty in Norfolk, why he didn’t want his 
old job back, United States Attorney for New Mexico.*

The busted, burning, ghost-mobile he described is the Department of 
Justice, driven by Alberto Gonzales. Or is Karl Rove at the wheel? Or no 
one? Whomever, he didn’t want to jump back into Bush’s Justice Jalopy.

Today, Iglesias is in Washington to pull the junker off the road, 
meeting with the Office of Special Counsel where Obstruction of Justice 
may be swirling around in the old oil pan laying on the garage floor.

The ex-prosecutor and I, long, long ago, had both worked for the 
Attorney General of New Mexico, a state where the snakes have less venom 
than the politicians.

First, there’s Senator Pete Domenici, whose hiss is as smooth as his 
bite is deadly.

Domenici, softball interviewer Chris Matthews notes, is a nice guy. On 
TV. However, the Republican Senator’s call to Iglesias at his home, just 
before the 2006 midterm election, asking the prosecutor about filing 
charges against Democrats in the week before the vote, was downright 
rude. When the prosecutor replied in the negative, the Senator hung up.

And apparently, the Senator contacted one Monica Goodling who, scribbled 
on a notepad: “Iglesias - Domenici says he doesn’t move cases.” Oops. 
Goodling, a political stooge working for Gonzales, was listing the 
reasons for firing US attorneys. Now, rudeness was no longer the issue. 
Firing a prosecutor for failing to “move cases” — handcuff citizens at 
the request of a Senator — is Obstruction of Justice.

No wonder Monica took The Fifth.

Of course, the Rove dogsbodies at Justice couldn’t tell Congress they 
fired Iglesias because he wouldn’t jump at the Senator’s rattle. They 
reached for another complaint on Monica’s list: “absentee landlord.” 
Deputy Assistant Attorney General Paul McNulty used absenteeism as the 
official reason for dismissal. McNulty’s resigned.

He should have taken The Fifth….

The problem is that the US Attorney from New Mexico was missing for 40 
days because he was on active duty. I guess the White House gang doesn’t 
go to the movies. Iglesias is a celebrity Navy lawyer, the role model 
for Tom Cruise in /A Few Good Men/.

“Our ‘Mission Accomplished’ President attacked you for spending time in 
the US Naval Reserve?” I asked Iglesias…

“Appalling,” he said. And illegal. Firing a reserve officer for missing 
work for active duty violates the Uniform Services Employment Rights and 
Reemployment Act (USERRA).

Pressuring a prosecutor to bust Democrats and punishing a soldier for 
deploying are the little felonies, the warm-up crimes, in this caper.

The real crime is the one they are about to commit: The Theft of 2008.

Iglesias told me he was continually being pushed to bring “voter fraud” 
cases beginning in 2004. Unfortunately, Iglesias went along with the 
game, at least at the opening kick-off, holding a press conference just 
weeks before the Bush-Kerry race, announcing he was setting up a task 
force with the FBI to hunt down evil voters.

But there were none. “It was the old throwing pasta at the wall trick. 
Something’s got to stick. And it didn’t,” he said.

So Iglesias got the axe. “I didn’t help them out on their bogus voter 
fraud prosecutions.”

Notably, Iglesias has been signaling these cases were phony-baloney for 
two years. I got that word from his office in 2005 while reporting for 
BBC Television on what passes for elections in the USA. But the New 
Mexico and US press continued to hawk the Republican line that masses of 
illegal voters, especially illegal immigrants, were jamming the polling 
stations.

One thing the American media still has failed to do is to explain /why/ 
the GOP wanted to bring these cases. In New Mexico, in Arizona, in 
Georgia and a dozen other states, Republicans were pushing laws 
requiring voters to have special ID. In 2004, at least a /quarter 
million/ citizens lost their vote because they didn’t bring in the right 
ID. And which quarter million? Overwhelming, it was Black, Brown and 
“Blue” Americans.

Yet, despite this tidal wave of a quarter million “fraudulent” voters, 
not one was charged with a crime. Hmmm. Maybe they were innocent. If 
there’s no crime, there’s no need for a law to stop the crime. But 
Republicans don’t want to stop voter fraud — they want to stop voters.
Iglesias wouldn’t help them do it. He did the PR stunt — but he wouldn’t 
handcuff the innocent. Was he fired for that? His termination was 
ordered by Tim Griffin, Karl Rove’s right-hand hitman. Were Griffin and 
Rove punishing Iglesias for not bringing the fake cases?

Iglesias said, “If his intent was, look what happened with Iglesias, if 
that was his intent, he’s in big trouble. That is obstruction of 
justice, one /classic/ example.”

Figuring out Rove’s intent requires 

Re: [Biofuel] Why I love living in Virginia

2007-05-17 Thread Mike Weaver
 The syphilized East had a much higher murder rate than the wild  west.
   Disarmed people are easy victims.

   Disarmed people are easy victims.

I agree.  The only way to stop gun violence is with more guns.

Most tense situations would only be improved if both parties were armed. 
Just imagine how much better fender-benders would be if you were packing,
and the other guy was packing.  Even closer to home, think of how many
domestic squabbles go on and on with no real resolution - they could be
settled permanently with a gun.

Please join the MRA in our quest to arm eveyone.

The 'Merican Rifle Association.
Settle It Permanently.  Settle It With A Gun


   As for bears and wolves the 2 legged wolves are worse by far.

   Kirk

 Zeke Yewdall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   H.  I always thought that the east coast was a bit more civilized or
 something, but that sounds just like Idaho.  At least there are bears
 and wolves there, so there's a conceiveable need for guns.

   On 5/17/07, Paul S Cantrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Mike,
 You are welcome to move to South Carolina:

 S.C. lawmakers consider allowing concealed weapons on campuses
 http://www.cnn.com/2007/EDUCATION/05/16/guns.on.campus.ap/

 Hopefully it won't pass before the legislature goes home and cooler
 heads will prevail.

 I should mention that I work at a state college in Charleston.  Ack!

 On 5/15/07, Mike Weaver  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 *Virginia Citizens Defense League to give away automatic pistols:*


 The raffle, designed to raise money for two Virginia gun dealers being
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Re: [Biofuel] Why I love living in Virginia

2007-05-17 Thread Mike Weaver
*1994: Jewish settler kills 30 at holy site:*
A Jewish settler, Baruch Goldstein, has killed up to 30 Palestinians at 
a mosque in Hebron after opening fire as people gathered for Friday 
morning prayers.

Jeez, Kirk, you can do better than that.  Try again.


Kirk McLoren wrote:

 you are convinced your understanding of the issue is more valid than 
 history.
 Our crazed shooter at the university wouldnt have gotten to first base 
 in Israel.
 Why?
  
 Kirk

 */Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote:

  The syphilized East had a much higher murder rate than the wild
  west.
  Disarmed people are easy victims.
 
  Disarmed people are easy victims.

 I agree. The only way to stop gun violence is with more guns.

 Most tense situations would only be improved if both parties were
 armed.
 Just imagine how much better fender-benders would be if you were
 packing,
 and the other guy was packing. Even closer to home, think of how many
 domestic squabbles go on and on with no real resolution - they
 could be
 settled permanently with a gun.

 Please join the MRA in our quest to arm eveyone.

 The 'Merican Rifle Association.
 Settle It Permanently. Settle It With A Gun


  As for bears and wolves the 2 legged wolves are worse by far.
 
  Kirk
 
  Zeke Yewdall wrote:
  H. I always thought that the east coast was a bit more
 civilized or
  something, but that sounds just like Idaho. At least there are bears
  and wolves there, so there's a conceiveable need for guns.
 
  On 5/17/07, Paul S Cantrell wrote: Mike,
  You are welcome to move to South Carolina:
 
  S.C. lawmakers consider allowing concealed weapons on campuses
  http://www.cnn.com/2007/EDUCATION/05/16/guns.on.campus.ap/
 
  Hopefully it won't pass before the legislature goes home and cooler
  heads will prevail.
 
  I should mention that I work at a state college in Charleston. Ack!
 
  On 5/15/07, Mike Weaver  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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  The raffle, designed to raise money for two Virginia gun
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[Biofuel] It is a mystery why stevia, a South American plant more than 300 times sweeter than sugar, remains illegal for use as a sweetener in the United States.

2007-05-16 Thread Mike Weaver

Bitter Battle over Truth in Sweeteners

By Christopher Wanjek mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED], LiveScience's Bad 
Medicine Columnist

posted: 15 May 2007 09:45 am ET

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McNeil Nutritionals, the makers of Splenda, the most popular-selling 
artificial sweetener in the United States, is feeling bitter these days.

Merisant, the makers of Equal, sued Splenda in France and in the United 
States over Splenda's slogan, made from sugar so it tastes like sugar, 
which Equal and an unlikely ally, the Sugar Association, say is misleading.

Last week a French court sided with Equal, ordering Splenda to punt the 
slogan in France. Then on Friday, just moments before a U.S. jury was 
about to read its verdict, Splenda, sensing defeat, reached an 
undisclosed settlement with Equal.

The last-second settlement was highly unusual, forcing the judge to 
instruct the jury never to speak of its verdict. And both companies are 
mum on the settlement, which insiders say will cost Splenda millions of 
dollars. It is unclear who the winner is, though, as all sides have 
emerged looking sour.

*Sweet slogan*

Splenda, approved by the Food and Drug Administration in 1998, is known 
chemically as trichlorosucrose. Splenda's makers like the alternate 
name, sucralose, which was created to sound more like sucrose, the 
chemical name for table sugar. Sucralose isn't sucrose, much like 
cellulose isn't celery.

There are several ways to make trichlorosucrose. One can start with 
raffinose, which is a carbohydrate containing three different kinds of 
sugar molecules, or one can use sucrose. Regardless, the process 
ultimately involves replacing three oxygen-hydrogen groups in a sucrose 
(sugar) molecule with three chlorine atoms. Hence the claim that Splenda 
is made from sugar.

 From a responsible chemist's standpoint, the Splenda slogan is 
ludicrous. This is like the automobile industry saying that ozone, O3, 
is as healthy as air because it is made from oxygen, O2. Rock candy is 
made from sugar, and the sugar is still there. But the sugar is Splenda 
is merely a chemical placeholder needed to added chlorine, the substance 
that makes trichlorosucrose more than 200 times sweeter than sugar.

That is, sugar doesn't make Splenda sweet; chlorine does.

*Lesser of two evils?*

Splenda's makers packaged their product to sound more natural, knowing 
consumers worry about alleged health consequences of other synthesized 
sweeteners, such as Equal (aspartame) or Sweet  Low (saccharine). And 
the plan worked. Within two years after its introduction, Splenda 
overtook Equal and now commands about two-thirds of the artificial 
sweetener market.

Just because a synthesized molecule is similar to a natural sugar 
molecule doesn't make it safe. Just a one- or two-atom change makes a 
big difference when ingesting water versus hydrogen peroxide, beer 
versus wood alcohol, or carbon dioxide versus carbon monoxide.

The true test of safety lies in long-term health studies, not wordplay. 
Splenda does have dozens of studies to demonstrate that it is generally 
safe for human consumption, so many countries have approved its use in 
beverages and baked goods.

Yet all sweeteners, artificial or natural, have pluses and minuses. 
Sugar is associated with obesity, tooth decay and hyperactivity. One 
must wonder whether such a chemical, atom for atom, would be approved 
by the FDA if it were made in a lab. Recent case studies have revealed 
that Splenda, like Equal, can cause migraine headaches, but the 
incidence is rare.

Sugar can make bitter foods more palatable, which is why the World 
Health Organization allows some added sugar as part of a healthy diet. 
Splenda, Equal and saccharine have been a godsend to diabetics and 
dieters. Some folks will accept a remote chance of developing cancer, 
although none of these products have been shown conclusively to cause 
human cancer.

*Stevia in brevia *

The Sugar 

Re: [Biofuel] graybearded diesel advice

2007-05-15 Thread Mike Weaver
Thanks - I'm looking for a manual now!

Roderick Roth wrote:

 Hi Mike
  This definitly sounds like timing and certain diesels will drive the 
 mechanical fuel pump with a tapered collet. Since your engine is quite 
 new, I would suspect that the jam nut has either slightly loosened or 
 was not tight enough from the factory, allowing the pump to turn on 
 the taper slightly out of sync. Then it's quite possible for the pump 
 to lock itself again in the new position.
  
  This excact same thing happened on my 95 Dodge cummins . There is no 
 keyway on the shaft. Alighnment proceedure goes as follows: A) find 
 piston TDC on the power stroke, B) measure the injection plunger 
 height at its most high position and lock the fuel pump in that 
 position C) finally install the drive gear or sproket what have you 
 on the taper and lock it TIGHT with the jam-nut. Might be easier 
 for ya to get the exact instructions from the dealer or a local fuel 
 pump shop. Good luck!!  p.s. Dont forget to unlock the fuel pump LOL 
 b-4 cranking!!!
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Re: [Biofuel] Any Diesel gurus put there?

2007-05-15 Thread Mike Weaver
It's possible.

I don't really know much about diesels - I mostly worked on gas engines 
way back.

The fule lines seem tight.

I'm going to run a solvent through the entire fuel system - maybe the 
injector is gummed up.

Thnaks for the responnce!

-Mike

A. Lawrence wrote:

Any chance you've disturbed something and it's sucking some air now?? Go
over the whole system carefully... Easier to pull in air than fuel...

- Original Message - 
From: Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 7:28 PM
Subject: [Biofuel] Any Diesel gurus put there?


  

Greetings all,

Left my 4.7 HP Changfa diesel outside in the shed through the winter and
now it won't start.
I left it with about 1/2 a tank of BD in it, and actually I did get it
to start and run twice as soon as the weather warmed up (this week).
It started with a fair amount of black smoke as it usually does then I
ran it for a few minutes and shut it off.

Usually when diesels have a starting problem it's fuel delivery, so I
pulled the lines apart, cleaned everything including the injector.
I checked the spray pattern and it looks good.  I drained out all the
old BD and filled it with fresh petro diesel and cranked it until the
line filled up again.

But, it won't start.

So being an old hand at automotive diesels, I linked two 12 V batteries
in series to get 24 volts, which pretty much doubles the crankiing speed,
and cranked it until the engine got good and warm.

As it is heating up I know it's firing some, but not enough to catch.  I
gave it a few shots of ether and that seems to bring it closer to
running, but I don't want to blow a hole in the piston.

Right now it feels as if it will almost catch, but now quite.

It produces a ton of white smoke, which usually means fuel delivery
problems, but it really does seem to be pumping enough fuel.

I haven't really wrenched in years, but my guess is that the injector is
somehow messed up.

BTW, the engine is new and has almost no hours on it.

Any greybeards out there with advice?

TIA,

Mike

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Re: [Biofuel] Isopropyl Alcohol supplies - Used to be Titrationquestion from a Newbie

2007-05-15 Thread Mike Weaver
Look for 99% anhydrous iso

Thomas Kelly wrote:

 Andrew,
  I thought that rubbing alcohol (isopropyl) sold at pharmacies 
 was 70%.
 I just noticed that a container of isopropyl alcohol  in our bathroom 
 cabinet was 91%. It was purchased at a local pharmacy; 1 quart (950ml) 
 for $2.49 (USD).
  Ken P. commented that purity wasn't critical. I'm not so sure 
 about 70%, but 90+% might be OK. You can't beat the price.
 
 Tom

 - Original Message -
 *From:* Zeke Yewdall mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 *To:* biofuel@sustainablelists.org
 mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.org
 *Sent:* Tuesday, May 15, 2007 12:45 PM
 *Subject:* Re: [Biofuel] Isopropyl Alcohol supplies - Used to be
 Titrationquestion from a Newbie

 It seems that hydroponics stores carry very pure isopropyl alcohol
 as well.  I seem to remember a price of about $40 for one US
 gallon for the  99.5% stuff, which is similar to the price you
 found though.

 Z

 On 5/14/07, *Thomas Kelly* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 Andrew,

  Now all of this rests upon me getting my alcohols right, so
 search, at
  the top of the page, for isopropyl at this site,
 www.rsaustralia.com http://www.rsaustralia.com .
  This gives a range of container sizes. There is also an MSDS at:
 
 
 
 http://docs-asia.electrocomponents.com/webdocs/0065/0900766b80065e94.pdf
 
 http://docs-asia.electrocomponents.com/webdocs/0065/0900766b80065e94.pdf
 
  Have I found the right stuff? Assuming I've got the right
 stuff, it's a
  lot easier to get 99.7% IPA from an electronics place than a
 chemical
  supply place. Electronics places are probably a lot more
 common as well.

  Isopropanol is what you want for titrating WVO;
 Isopropanol = Isopropyl
 Alcohol.
  Although 99.7% is very good purity, $16.90 (AUD?) for 500
 ml quoted at
 www.rsaustralia.com http://www.rsaustralia.com  is a bit
 expensive.  If you have had success with small
 test batches using virgin oil and are ready to move on to WVO (and
 titration) it is probably worth it to get the best quality
 isopropanol you
 can find and afford. While you are using the expensive
 Isopropanol keep a
 heads up for a cheaper source.
  As I said, I use a gas line antifreeze called Iso-Heet.
 It is
 available at auto supply stores here in the US for about $2
 (USD) for 335ml.
 Other gas antifreeze/de-watering products may also be
 isopropanol.

  Best of Luck to You,
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Re: [Biofuel] Isopropyl Alcohol supplies - Used to be Titrationquestion from a Newbie

2007-05-15 Thread Mike Weaver
I found it at a well-stocked independant pharmacy

Thomas Kelly wrote:

Mike Weaver wrote:



  

Look for 99% anhydrous iso


 

Where?




  

Look for 99% anhydrous iso

Thomas Kelly wrote:



Andrew,
 I thought that rubbing alcohol (isopropyl) sold at pharmacies 
was 70%.
I just noticed that a container of isopropyl alcohol  in our bathroom 
cabinet was 91%. It was purchased at a local pharmacy; 1 quart (950ml) 
for $2.49 (USD).
 Ken P. commented that purity wasn't critical. I'm not so sure 
about 70%, but 90+% might be OK. You can't beat the price.

Tom

  




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[Biofuel] Any Diesel gurus put there?

2007-05-14 Thread Mike Weaver
Greetings all,

Left my 4.7 HP Changfa diesel outside in the shed through the winter and 
now it won't start.
I left it with about 1/2 a tank of BD in it, and actually I did get it 
to start and run twice as soon as the weather warmed up (this week).
It started with a fair amount of black smoke as it usually does then I 
ran it for a few minutes and shut it off.

Usually when diesels have a starting problem it's fuel delivery, so I 
pulled the lines apart, cleaned everything including the injector.
I checked the spray pattern and it looks good.  I drained out all the 
old BD and filled it with fresh petro diesel and cranked it until the
line filled up again.

But, it won't start.

So being an old hand at automotive diesels, I linked two 12 V batteries 
in series to get 24 volts, which pretty much doubles the crankiing speed,
and cranked it until the engine got good and warm.

As it is heating up I know it's firing some, but not enough to catch.  I 
gave it a few shots of ether and that seems to bring it closer to 
running, but I don't want to blow a hole in the piston.

Right now it feels as if it will almost catch, but now quite.

It produces a ton of white smoke, which usually means fuel delivery 
problems, but it really does seem to be pumping enough fuel.

I haven't really wrenched in years, but my guess is that the injector is 
somehow messed up.

BTW, the engine is new and has almost no hours on it.

Any greybeards out there with advice?

TIA,

Mike

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Re: [Biofuel] Gas prices - government hot air - making drivers fume

2007-05-10 Thread Mike Weaver
I'm sure the article is a get-up.

But you can find similar sentiment on the Internet just about everywhere.


Keith Addison wrote:

  Tanks for nothing, D.C. bigs!



Ag siestog! Poor little things!

LOL!

 From your previous:

  

I am sick and tired of people wasting apostrophes.  There is a finite
supply, and the Oxford English Dictionary estimates that we've already
used more than half.
Moreover, with more and more people studying English, this alarming
trend will only get worse.



I tend to agree with your concerns about Peak Apostrophe Mike, it's a 
widely unrecognised threat to CAWKI. Sod the sound science, what it 
needs is an Oscar-winning movie to turn the tide, or even a 
Nobel-winning movie, if not a hit song, a t-shirt and a coffee mug.

However, I do believe you've picked on the wrong apostrophe. Filling 
in the spaces vacated by missing letters is just a sideline for 
apostrophes, their true role, the crux of the biscuit, is 
possessives. Eg, Mike's Harley, sadly missing though it be, or, 
more apt, Mrs Wellington's SUV. Mine not yours, in other words. 
It's the unprecedented overuse of such apostrophes as these and the 
single-minded acquisition of them, with its accompanying waste of 
virtually all finite resources, that's propelling us towards the edge 
of the precipice, IMHO. Meanwhile property-neutral bio-apostrophes 
remain uninvented, algae won't help, and neither will jatropha. 
Looming just over the horizon is the crunch question of just how much 
longer insurance companies are going to go on insuring shops.

These bootless Wellingtons, by the way, pardon the dumb question, but 
are they supposed to be for real? Looks like a throw-together 
composite to me, the seams are showing.

Best

Keith



  

 Gas prices -  government hot air - making drivers fume

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Sky-high gas prices have become a Memorial Day tradition, but this year
they're being pumped to the highest levels yet - and motorists have had
enough.

AAA is warning that New York's record high average of $3.35 a gallon -
charged following Hurricane Katrina - could be topped in time for
America's busiest traveling weekend.

And drivers don't see the spike ending on Memorial Day, according to a
survey.

It found 72% of motorists expect to be paying more than $3.50 a gallon
in the next few months, 83% suspect illegal price gouging - and the huge
majority want it stopped.

Americans are fed up with skyrocketing gasoline prices and they want
action, said Pam Solo, president of the Civil Society Institute, which
questioned more than 1,000 motorists.

These survey findings should send a real jolt through the corridors of
the White House and the halls of Congress, Solo said.

Researchers found drivers sick of dependence on Middle Eastern oil,
government reluctance to increase fuel efficiency requirements and oil
companies' empty promises about green energy.

And the more it hits them in the pocket, the madder drivers are getting.

We are told refineries have had problems with explosions, fires and
maintenance, and it's pushing up prices, said AAA's New York spokesman
Robert Sinclair.

But we haven't had any manmade or natural disasters. I certainly don't
think it can be as bad as the devastation Hurricane Katrina caused to
refineries, yet the prices are going higher, he said.

Motorists complained they were already planning to shorten Memorial Day
trips and are cutting back on spending to budget for higher costs at the
pump.

But Sinclair said drivers have to take some of the blame.

Of course oil companies have their hand in this, he said. But a large
part of this problem is that half the vehicles on the road are SUVs or
big minivans.

Americans, unfortunately, have a love affair with these big vehicles.
They push demand up, and that pushes up the price.



Mike Weaver wrote:



I'm surprised at you, Keith.  You're not very sympathetic.


 SUV OWNERS PUZZLED BY HIGH GAS PRICES


 by Ben Radstein, staff reporter

Before the war in Iraq began, SUV owners were polled
http://www.uncoveror.com/suv.htm about their attitudes toward the
upcoming conflict, and by a very wide margin, they supported the idea.
They all seemed to believe that the war would lower oil prices, and make
fueling their gas guzzling behemoths cheap. Now many are expressing
dismay that this has not occurred. I spoke again to William and Susan
Wellington, who expressed confusion about the current situation.

I used to see bumper stickers and tee shirts that said kick their ass,
take their gas. said Mr. Wellington, We have done the first part of
that, why not the rest? Iraq has the world's second

Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: Gas Station Owner Told to Raise Prices

2007-05-10 Thread Mike Weaver
Biodiesel Smart Car

Joe Street wrote:

 SUV's are a laugh.(or else I'd cry)  The other day as I was walking 
 home from work I noticed a shiny black new looking SUV parked up the 
 street.  I think it was a jeep brand and in big letters emblazoned on 
 the rear bumper was the word PATRIOT.  I had a good belly laugh as I 
 walked by it lstening to some music by Dream Theater about stem cell 
 research and I thought, yeah it is your patriotic duty to drive an 
 inefficient vehicle in amerika isn't it.  LOL.
 Support Bushcobe a patriot, drive a Patriot.

 Joe

 Kirk McLoren wrote:

 The Wellingtons are scary. Narcisstic and psychotic. How anyone could 
 be that out of touch and yet pass for functioning. But they are in my 
 neighborhood too.
 I get the impression they have the intellectual perception of a 6 
 year old and that isnt fair to a lot of 6 year olds.
 Hate to be seen in something not new. And there are children going to 
 bed hungry.
 Disgusting toads.
  
 Kirk

 */Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote:

 I'm surprised at you, Keith. You're not very sympathetic.


 SUV OWNERS PUZZLED BY HIGH GAS PRICES


 by Ben Radstein, staff reporter

 Before the war in Iraq began, SUV owners were polled
 about their attitudes toward the
 upcoming conflict, and by a very wide margin, they supported the
 idea.
 They all seemed to believe that the war would lower oil prices,
 and make
 fueling their gas guzzling behemoths cheap. Now many are expressing
 dismay that this has not occurred. I spoke again to William and
 Susan
 Wellington, who expressed confusion about the current situation.

 I used to see bumper stickers and tee shirts that said kick
 their ass,
 take their gas. said Mr. Wellington, We have done the first
 part of
 that, why not the rest? Iraq has the world's second largest oil
 reserve,
 and now we control it, but gas costs more now than it did before the
 war. It is already over two dollars a gallon, and I need premium!

 We were going to buy a new SUV once the Escalade is eighteen months
 old, and loses that new feeling, added Mrs. Wellington but now
 I don't
 know. I hate having to be seen in anything old. If I didn't know
 better,
 I might think that young chap I saw on the University campus talking
 about peak oil wasn't crazy.

 For those who don't know, peak oil
 is the theory that the
 world's oil supply can be represented as a bell curve. The first
 half of
 it will be easy to extract, and therefore cheap. The second half
 would
 be increasingly difficult to remove from the ground, and
 increasingly
 expensive. Depending upon whom you believe, the result of this
 could be
 mere inconvenience, prolonged recession, or war, famine,
 pestilence and
 death.

 I asked the Wellingtons to consider whether peak oil was a valid
 theory,
 and if we had hit it. Susan nodded no, and William bellowed.
 That's a
 bunch of vegan tree-hugger doom-saying nonsense! Where did you
 get that
 idea, Al Gore? Are you trying to cause panic? Why do you liberals
 hate
 America? We will have oil for centuries to come if we just look
 for it.
 We have heard this nonsense since the 1970s. It was not true
 then, and
 it's not true now. I don't know exactly why gas prices are so
 high, but
 I would wager my last dollar that it is Bill Clinton's fault. After
 all, it was he who drove Rush Limbaugh to drugs, and he should
 accept
 responsibility for that

 The Wellingtons would not talk to me any further after that. I
 wonder
 how long big SUVs will keep selling with gas at these prices.
 Will they
 still say that fuel-efficient cars are only for tree-huggers in a
 year?
 One thing is for certain. People who depend on cheap oil don't
 want to
 talk about peak oil.



 Keith Addison wrote:

 Different point I know, but US gasoline prices are currently
 $2.87 to
 $3.37 a (US) gallon, very cheap!
 
 Weekly Retail Premium Gasoline Prices (Including Taxes)
 
 Date 4/30/07 (U.S. Dollars per Gallon)
 Belgium 6.80
 France 6.71
 Germany 7.09
 Italy 6.68
 Netherlands 7.77
 UK 7.07
 US 3.18
 
 Another source:
 
 pence/litre
 Austria 75
 Belguim 95
 Czech Rep 71.5
 Denmark 92.2
 Eire 74.5
 Finland 89.4
 France 85.2
 Germany 90
 Greece 65.7
 Netherlands 100.3
 Hungary 83.5
 Italy 87.2
 Luxembourg 76.5
 Norway 94.8
 Poland 79.5
 Portugal 85.8
 Spain 66.4
 Sweden 82.1
 Switzerland 72.1
 United Kingdom(Av) 96.5
 USA 37.5
 
 Gasoline in the US costs half or less what it costs in other
 industrialised countries.
 
 Much too cheap, $10 would be better, make it soon.
 
 Best

Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: Gas Station Owner Told to Raise Prices

2007-05-09 Thread Mike Weaver
I'm surprised at you, Keith.  You're not very sympathetic.


  SUV OWNERS PUZZLED BY HIGH GAS PRICES


  by Ben Radstein, staff reporter

Before the war in Iraq began, SUV owners were polled 
http://www.uncoveror.com/suv.htm about their attitudes toward the 
upcoming conflict, and by a very wide margin, they supported the idea. 
They all seemed to believe that the war would lower oil prices, and make 
fueling their gas guzzling behemoths cheap. Now many are expressing 
dismay that this has not occurred. I spoke again to William and Susan 
Wellington, who expressed confusion about the current situation.

I used to see bumper stickers and tee shirts that said kick their ass, 
take their gas. said Mr. Wellington, We have done the first part of 
that, why not the rest? Iraq has the world's second largest oil reserve, 
and now we control it, but gas costs more now than it did before the 
war. It is already over two dollars a gallon, and I need premium!

We were going to buy a new SUV once the Escalade is eighteen months 
old, and loses that new feeling, added Mrs. Wellington but now I don't 
know. I hate having to be seen in anything old. If I didn't know better, 
I might think that young chap I saw on the University campus talking 
about peak oil wasn't crazy.

For those who don't know, peak oil 
http://www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net/Index.html is the theory that the 
world's oil supply can be represented as a bell curve. The first half of 
it will be easy to extract, and therefore cheap. The second half would 
be increasingly difficult to remove from the ground, and increasingly 
expensive. Depending upon whom you believe, the result of this could be 
mere inconvenience, prolonged recession, or war, famine, pestilence and 
death.

I asked the Wellingtons to consider whether peak oil was a valid theory, 
and if we had hit it. Susan nodded no, and William bellowed. That's a 
bunch of vegan tree-hugger doom-saying nonsense! Where did you get that 
idea, Al Gore? Are you trying to cause panic? Why do you liberals hate 
America? We will have oil for centuries to come if we just look for it. 
We have heard this nonsense since the 1970s. It was not true then, and 
it's not true now. I don't know exactly why gas prices are so high, but 
I would wager my last dollar that  it is Bill Clinton's fault. After 
all, it was he who drove Rush Limbaugh to drugs, and he should accept 
responsibility for that

The Wellingtons would not talk to me any further after that. I wonder 
how long big SUVs will keep selling with gas at these prices. Will they 
still say that fuel-efficient cars are only for tree-huggers in a year? 
One thing is for certain. People who depend on cheap oil don't want to 
talk about peak oil.



Keith Addison wrote:

Different point I know, but US gasoline prices are currently $2.87 to 
$3.37 a (US) gallon, very cheap!

Weekly Retail Premium Gasoline Prices (Including Taxes)

Date 4/30/07 (U.S. Dollars per Gallon)
Belgium 6.80
France 6.71
Germany 7.09
Italy 6.68
Netherlands 7.77
UK 7.07
US 3.18

Another source:

pence/litre
Austria 75
Belguim 95
Czech Rep 71.5
Denmark 92.2
Eire 74.5
Finland 89.4
France 85.2
Germany 90
Greece 65.7
Netherlands 100.3
Hungary 83.5
Italy 87.2
Luxembourg 76.5
Norway 94.8
Poland 79.5
Portugal 85.8
Spain 66.4
Sweden 82.1
Switzerland 72.1
United Kingdom(Av) 96.5
USA 37.5

Gasoline in the US costs half or less what it costs in other 
industrialised countries.

Much too cheap, $10 would be better, make it soon.

Best

Keith



  

Like evey freakin law, special cases are not accounted for. 
Consequently, laws are made to be broken.  Bhandari needs to show 
the copy of his letter from the Wisconsin Dept of Ag to customers, 
make a big stink out of this.  Get folks to beat their state reps 
over the head.  Could be a great marketing tool for Bhandari, help 
him get free publicity, maybe even spread the idea to other 
stations.  This guy has been presented a gift horse.  Wonder if he's 
smart enough to cash in.  Mike DuPree

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Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 11:45 AM
Subject: [Biofuel] Fwd: Gas Station Owner Told to Raise Prices

free market?
Kirk



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Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: Gas Station Owner Told to Raise Prices

2007-05-09 Thread Mike Weaver
Oh, cripes, not you too!  Another Cassandra.

Just filling my Escalade costs 100.00.  I've had to cut back on my 
driving, which affects my lifestyle.
I'm really PO'ed at the government.  They never think of us little guys; 
I mean what am I supposed to do?
I have another 3 years payments on a car I can't afford to drive.

I had to borrow against my house to afford this car and now my ARM is 
adjusting too.  I hope
it doesn't come down to gas or a roof over my head.  I will not take the 
bus like my stupid loud-mouth
know it all brother in law who bought a junky looking used VW TDI and 
won't shut up about his mileage.
This is America, not some smart-car-infested Eurpean city full of skinny 
smokers blabbing about running on Biodiesel.

And besides, the local governments gas taxes are just wasted the money 
is spent on stupid things like schools and senior services.

Cheap gas forever!

-'Merika



Kirk McLoren wrote:

 The Wellingtons are scary. Narcisstic and psychotic. How anyone could 
 be that out of touch and yet pass for functioning. But they are in my 
 neighborhood too.
 I get the impression they have the intellectual perception of a 6 year 
 old and that isnt fair to a lot of 6 year olds.
 Hate to be seen in something not new. And there are children going to 
 bed hungry.
 Disgusting toads.
  
 Kirk

 */Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote:

 I'm surprised at you, Keith. You're not very sympathetic.


 SUV OWNERS PUZZLED BY HIGH GAS PRICES


 by Ben Radstein, staff reporter

 Before the war in Iraq began, SUV owners were polled
 about their attitudes toward the
 upcoming conflict, and by a very wide margin, they supported the
 idea.
 They all seemed to believe that the war would lower oil prices,
 and make
 fueling their gas guzzling behemoths cheap. Now many are expressing
 dismay that this has not occurred. I spoke again to William and Susan
 Wellington, who expressed confusion about the current situation.

 I used to see bumper stickers and tee shirts that said kick their
 ass,
 take their gas. said Mr. Wellington, We have done the first part of
 that, why not the rest? Iraq has the world's second largest oil
 reserve,
 and now we control it, but gas costs more now than it did before the
 war. It is already over two dollars a gallon, and I need premium!

 We were going to buy a new SUV once the Escalade is eighteen months
 old, and loses that new feeling, added Mrs. Wellington but now I
 don't
 know. I hate having to be seen in anything old. If I didn't know
 better,
 I might think that young chap I saw on the University campus talking
 about peak oil wasn't crazy.

 For those who don't know, peak oil
 is the theory that the
 world's oil supply can be represented as a bell curve. The first
 half of
 it will be easy to extract, and therefore cheap. The second half
 would
 be increasingly difficult to remove from the ground, and increasingly
 expensive. Depending upon whom you believe, the result of this
 could be
 mere inconvenience, prolonged recession, or war, famine,
 pestilence and
 death.

 I asked the Wellingtons to consider whether peak oil was a valid
 theory,
 and if we had hit it. Susan nodded no, and William bellowed.
 That's a
 bunch of vegan tree-hugger doom-saying nonsense! Where did you get
 that
 idea, Al Gore? Are you trying to cause panic? Why do you liberals
 hate
 America? We will have oil for centuries to come if we just look
 for it.
 We have heard this nonsense since the 1970s. It was not true then,
 and
 it's not true now. I don't know exactly why gas prices are so
 high, but
 I would wager my last dollar that it is Bill Clinton's fault. After
 all, it was he who drove Rush Limbaugh to drugs, and he should accept
 responsibility for that

 The Wellingtons would not talk to me any further after that. I wonder
 how long big SUVs will keep selling with gas at these prices. Will
 they
 still say that fuel-efficient cars are only for tree-huggers in a
 year?
 One thing is for certain. People who depend on cheap oil don't
 want to
 talk about peak oil.



 Keith Addison wrote:

 Different point I know, but US gasoline prices are currently
 $2.87 to
 $3.37 a (US) gallon, very cheap!
 
 Weekly Retail Premium Gasoline Prices (Including Taxes)
 
 Date 4/30/07 (U.S. Dollars per Gallon)
 Belgium 6.80
 France 6.71
 Germany 7.09
 Italy 6.68
 Netherlands 7.77
 UK 7.07
 US 3.18
 
 Another source:
 
 pence/litre
 Austria 75
 Belguim 95
 Czech Rep 71.5
 Denmark 92.2
 Eire 74.5
 Finland 89.4
 France 85.2
 Germany 90
 Greece 65.7
 Netherlands 100.3
 Hungary 83.5
 Italy 87.2
 Luxembourg 76.5
 Norway 94.8

Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: Gas Station Owner Told to Raise Prices

2007-05-09 Thread Mike Weaver
You're related to Rush Limberger?

robert and benita rabello wrote:

Mike Weaver wrote:

  

William bellowed. That's a 
bunch of vegan tree-hugger doom-saying nonsense! Where did you get that 
idea, Al Gore? Are you trying to cause panic? Why do you liberals hate 
America? We will have oil for centuries to come if we just look for it. 
We have heard this nonsense since the 1970s. It was not true then, and 
it's not true now. I don't know exactly why gas prices are so high, but 
I would wager my last dollar that  it is Bill Clinton's fault. After 
all, it was he who drove Rush Limbaugh to drugs, and he should accept 
responsibility for that
 




This sounds like most of the people in my family . . .

robert luis rabello
The Edge of Justice
The Long Journey
New Adventure for Your Mind
http://www.newadventure.ca

Ranger Supercharger Project Page
http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/


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[Biofuel] Gas prices - government hot air - making drivers fume

2007-05-09 Thread Mike Weaver

Tanks for nothing, D.C. bigs!


  Gas prices -  government hot air - making drivers fume

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DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITER

Thursday, May 3rd 2007, 3:26 PM



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Sky-high gas prices have become a Memorial Day tradition, but this year 
they're being pumped to the highest levels yet - and motorists have had 
enough.

AAA is warning that New York's record high average of $3.35 a gallon - 
charged following Hurricane Katrina - could be topped in time for 
America's busiest traveling weekend.

And drivers don't see the spike ending on Memorial Day, according to a 
survey.

It found 72% of motorists expect to be paying more than $3.50 a gallon 
in the next few months, 83% suspect illegal price gouging - and the huge 
majority want it stopped.

Americans are fed up with skyrocketing gasoline prices and they want 
action, said Pam Solo, president of the Civil Society Institute, which 
questioned more than 1,000 motorists.

These survey findings should send a real jolt through the corridors of 
the White House and the halls of Congress, Solo said.

Researchers found drivers sick of dependence on Middle Eastern oil, 
government reluctance to increase fuel efficiency requirements and oil 
companies' empty promises about green energy.

And the more it hits them in the pocket, the madder drivers are getting.

We are told refineries have had problems with explosions, fires and 
maintenance, and it's pushing up prices, said AAA's New York spokesman 
Robert Sinclair.

But we haven't had any manmade or natural disasters. I certainly don't 
think it can be as bad as the devastation Hurricane Katrina caused to 
refineries, yet the prices are going higher, he said.

Motorists complained they were already planning to shorten Memorial Day 
trips and are cutting back on spending to budget for higher costs at the 
pump.

But Sinclair said drivers have to take some of the blame.

Of course oil companies have their hand in this, he said. But a large 
part of this problem is that half the vehicles on the road are SUVs or 
big minivans.

Americans, unfortunately, have a love affair with these big vehicles. 
They push demand up, and that pushes up the price.



Mike Weaver wrote:

I'm surprised at you, Keith.  You're not very sympathetic.


  SUV OWNERS PUZZLED BY HIGH GAS PRICES


  by Ben Radstein, staff reporter

Before the war in Iraq began, SUV owners were polled 
http://www.uncoveror.com/suv.htm about their attitudes toward the 
upcoming conflict, and by a very wide margin, they supported the idea. 
They all seemed to believe that the war would lower oil prices, and make 
fueling their gas guzzling behemoths cheap. Now many are expressing 
dismay that this has not occurred. I spoke again to William and Susan 
Wellington, who expressed confusion about the current situation.

I used to see bumper stickers and tee shirts that said kick their ass, 
take their gas. said Mr. Wellington, We have done the first part of 
that, why not the rest? Iraq has the world's second largest oil reserve, 
and now we control it, but gas costs more now than it did before the 
war. It is already over two dollars a gallon, and I need premium!

We were going to buy a new SUV once the Escalade is eighteen months 
old, and loses that new feeling, added Mrs. Wellington but now I don't 
know. I hate having to be seen in anything old. If I didn't know better, 
I might think that young chap I saw on the University campus talking 
about peak oil wasn't crazy.

For those who don't know, peak oil 
http://www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net/Index.html is the theory that the 
world's oil supply can be represented as a bell curve. The first half of 
it will be easy to extract, and therefore cheap. The second half would 
be increasingly difficult to remove from the ground, and increasingly 
expensive. Depending upon whom you believe, the result of this could be 
mere inconvenience, prolonged recession, or war, famine, pestilence and 
death.

I asked the Wellingtons to consider whether peak oil was a valid theory, 
and if we had hit it. Susan nodded no, and William bellowed. That's a 
bunch of vegan tree-hugger doom-saying nonsense! Where did you get that 
idea, Al Gore? Are you trying to cause panic? Why do you liberals hate 
America? We will have oil for centuries to come if we just look for it. 
We have heard this nonsense since the 1970s. It was not true then, and 
it's not true now. I don't know exactly why gas prices are so high, but 
I would wager my last dollar that  it is Bill Clinton's fault. After 
all, it was he who drove Rush Limbaugh to drugs, and he should accept 
responsibility for that

The Wellingtons would not talk to me any further after that. I

Re: [Biofuel] Australia hands over man to US courts

2007-05-08 Thread Mike Weaver
Go Linux

Keith Addison wrote:

BEFORE he was extradited to the United States, Hew Griffiths, from
Berkeley Vale in NSW, had never even set foot in America. But he had
pirated software produced by American companies.

Now, having been given up to the US by former justice minister Chris
Ellison, Griffiths, 44, is in a Virginia cell, facing up to 10 years in
an American prison after a guilty plea late last month.

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2007/05/06/1178390140855.html



I guess by now we've all seen those heart-rending pictures of poor 
old Bill Gates sitting at the street corner in New York with his hat 
out on the pavement, poor feller, driven to pennilessness by 
dastardly software pirates. It's said 70 percent of all the software 
in use worldwide is pirated - but for these filthy criminals Bill 
could have had that money, instead of his paltry $20 billion, and he 
wouldn't be in this sad state that he's in now. Disgraceful - where's 
the law when you need it???

This is a little difficult to explain though:

http://www.josephjenkins.com/books_humanure.html
Joseph Jenkins, Inc. - The Humanure Handbook

This is where Joseph Jenkins sells hard-copies of his popular 
Humanure Handbook online at his web store. Scroll down a little and 
you'll find these links:

$25.00 US -- BUY NOW or read the book free on the web.

And:

Buy a Book Now
Read the Book for Free
BUY IT ON AMAZON.COM
 
Read the Book for Free:
http://jenkinspublishing.com/humanure_contents.html
Joseph Jenkins, Inc. - Humanure Handbook Table of Contents

Full text, free online.

He's been doing that for at least seven years now, and he's not the 
only one. Yet the book's sold 30,000 copies, not bad going. No way to 
know, but I'd bet that if he didn't give it away for nothing online 
he wouldn't have sold so many.

This crap about software piracy always reminds me of a restaurant 
owner I used to know in Hong Kong. I dropped in at his place for some 
coffee one afternoon during an economic crisis, the property market 
had crashed, quite a few folks went out of business and so on. 
How're you doing? I asked him.

Terrible! he answered. I'm losing 20,000 dollars a day! [USD1=HKD8]

It turned out that before the crash he'd been making $60,000 a day, 
but now he was only making $40,000 a day.

But I wonder if so many copies of Windoze etc would have been sold 
but for all the pirating?

Best

Keith


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Re: [Biofuel] Australia hands over man to US courts

2007-05-08 Thread Mike Weaver
All of it.  Like Joseph Jenkins's book, with Linux, you can either do it 
yourself for free, or buy a DVD and support.
I personally like Macs, though I have to say Mr. Jobs has turned out to 
have feet of clay...


Keith Addison wrote:

Go Linux



Why would I want to do that? That's for Windozers when they wake up, 
not for Mac users when they fall asleep.

(How much of that message did you actually read?)

Keith


  

Keith Addison wrote:



BEFORE he was extradited to the United States, Hew Griffiths, from
Berkeley Vale in NSW, had never even set foot in America. But he had
pirated software produced by American companies.

Now, having been given up to the US by former justice minister Chris
Ellison, Griffiths, 44, is in a Virginia cell, facing up to 10 years in
an American prison after a guilty plea late last month.

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2007/05/06/1178390140855.html




I guess by now we've all seen those heart-rending pictures of poor
old Bill Gates sitting at the street corner in New York with his hat
out on the pavement, poor feller, driven to pennilessness by
dastardly software pirates. It's said 70 percent of all the software
in use worldwide is pirated - but for these filthy criminals Bill
could have had that money, instead of his paltry $20 billion, and he
wouldn't be in this sad state that he's in now. Disgraceful - where's
the law when you need it???

This is a little difficult to explain though:

http://www.josephjenkins.com/books_humanure.html
Joseph Jenkins, Inc. - The Humanure Handbook

This is where Joseph Jenkins sells hard-copies of his popular
Humanure Handbook online at his web store. Scroll down a little and
you'll find these links:

$25.00 US -- BUY NOW or read the book free on the web.

And:

Buy a Book Now
Read the Book for Free
BUY IT ON AMAZON.COM

Read the Book for Free:
http://jenkinspublishing.com/humanure_contents.html
Joseph Jenkins, Inc. - Humanure Handbook Table of Contents

Full text, free online.

He's been doing that for at least seven years now, and he's not the
only one. Yet the book's sold 30,000 copies, not bad going. No way to
know, but I'd bet that if he didn't give it away for nothing online
he wouldn't have sold so many.

This crap about software piracy always reminds me of a restaurant
owner I used to know in Hong Kong. I dropped in at his place for some
coffee one afternoon during an economic crisis, the property market
had crashed, quite a few folks went out of business and so on.
How're you doing? I asked him.

Terrible! he answered. I'm losing 20,000 dollars a day! [USD1=HKD8]

It turned out that before the crash he'd been making $60,000 a day,
but now he was only making $40,000 a day.

But I wonder if so many copies of Windoze etc would have been sold
but for all the pirating?

Best

Keith
  



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Re: [Biofuel] Australia hands over man to US courts

2007-05-08 Thread Mike Weaver
Amiga or die

doug wrote:

Careful, I can see this forming into a flame war! (Mine is bigger than yours 
scenario)

 Really, once you wean off the Redmond product, it dosen't matter if its Linux 
or Mac. The only reason why I probably would not buy a Mac is historical: I 
used to hate the computer telling me I could not have my disc back: then 
fighting it with a paperclip!
 regards Doug

On Wednesday 09 May 2007 05:12:56 am Keith Addison wrote:
  

All of it.  Like Joseph Jenkins's book, with Linux, you can either do it
yourself for free, or buy a DVD and support.
I personally like Macs, though I have to say Mr. Jobs has turned out to
have feet of clay...
  

Hasn't he. Quite apart from the environmental issues, and the human
rights issues, quite a lot of long-time Mac users don't think too
highly of Apple these days, but the machines and OS are streets ahead
of anything else nonetheless. Including Linux.

This is quite an interesting read:

http://viewfromthemountain.typepad.com/applepeels/2007/04/the_real_apple_.h
tml Applepeels:
April 25, 2007
The real Apple environment

Jobs's Greener Apple message:
http://www.apple.com/hotnews/agreenerapple/

And, previously, to his credit, this:

http://www.apple.com/hotnews/thoughtsonmusic/
Thoughts on Music
Steve Jobs
February 6, 2007

Still can't see why I'd want to Go Linux, but never mind.

Keith



Keith Addison wrote:
  

Go Linux
  

Why would I want to do that? That's for Windozers when they wake up,
not for Mac users when they fall asleep.

(How much of that message did you actually read?)

Keith



Keith Addison wrote:
  

BEFORE he was extradited to the United States, Hew Griffiths, from
Berkeley Vale in NSW, had never even set foot in America. But he had
pirated software produced by American companies.

Now, having been given up to the US by former justice minister Chris
Ellison, Griffiths, 44, is in a Virginia cell, facing up to 10 years
in an American prison after a guilty plea late last month.

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2007/05/06/1178390140855.html
  

I guess by now we've all seen those heart-rending pictures of poor
old Bill Gates sitting at the street corner in New York with his hat
out on the pavement, poor feller, driven to pennilessness by
dastardly software pirates. It's said 70 percent of all the software
in use worldwide is pirated - but for these filthy criminals Bill
could have had that money, instead of his paltry $20 billion, and he
wouldn't be in this sad state that he's in now. Disgraceful - where's
the law when you need it???

This is a little difficult to explain though:

http://www.josephjenkins.com/books_humanure.html
Joseph Jenkins, Inc. - The Humanure Handbook

This is where Joseph Jenkins sells hard-copies of his popular
Humanure Handbook online at his web store. Scroll down a little and
you'll find these links:

$25.00 US -- BUY NOW or read the book free on the web.

And:

Buy a Book Now
Read the Book for Free
BUY IT ON AMAZON.COM

Read the Book for Free:
http://jenkinspublishing.com/humanure_contents.html
Joseph Jenkins, Inc. - Humanure Handbook Table of Contents

Full text, free online.

He's been doing that for at least seven years now, and he's not the
only one. Yet the book's sold 30,000 copies, not bad going. No way to
know, but I'd bet that if he didn't give it away for nothing online
he wouldn't have sold so many.

This crap about software piracy always reminds me of a restaurant
owner I used to know in Hong Kong. I dropped in at his place for some
coffee one afternoon during an economic crisis, the property market
had crashed, quite a few folks went out of business and so on.
How're you doing? I asked him.

Terrible! he answered. I'm losing 20,000 dollars a day!
[USD1=HKD8]

It turned out that before the crash he'd been making $60,000 a day,
but now he was only making $40,000 a day.

But I wonder if so many copies of Windoze etc would have been sold
but for all the pirating?

Best

Keith


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Re: [Biofuel] The president receives lessons from his neoconservative tutors

2007-05-07 Thread Mike Weaver
The title is, of course, lifted from Winston Churchill, who at least did 
some good once in a while, though on the whole a mixed bag.
The Brits finally grew tired of their empire.  Why did they leave India?


Keith Addison wrote:

http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2007/03/14/roberts_luncheon/index.html
Glenn Greenwald - Salon

Wednesday March 14, 2007 08:33 EST

The president receives lessons from his neoconservative tutors

On February 28, George Bush hosted what he called a literary 
luncheon to honor historian Andrew Roberts. Accounts of that 
luncheon -- which describe the lessons the guests taught the 
President (and they call them lessons) -- really provide an amazing 
glimpse into the Bush mindset and his relationship with 
neoconservatives.

Roberts recently wrote the right-wing historical revisionism tract 
entitled History of the English-Speaking Peoples Since 1900. The 
book, as Roberts himself described it in an interview with Front Page 
Magazine, does not consider British imperialism to have been a Bad 
Thing, argues that the Versailles Treaty was not harsh enough on 
Germany, [and] defends the bombing of Dresden, Hiroshima, and 
Nagasaki . . . .  A central theme is that Intellectuals of the Left 
bear a heavy responsibility for the cruelties and savagery of the 
20th century, and Roberts' world-view is filled with banalities like 
this:

I fear, in the light of Congress's recent nonbinding (and utterly 
self-contradictory) resolution opposing the surge, the gross bias of 
much of the Left-Liberal media, and the present poll ratings of Sen 
Hillary Clinton, that the US will lose the will to fight the War 
against Terror in any manner that might hold out the hope of ultimate 
victory.

So one can see why Roberts was chosen to be honored as the 
President's new favorite historian, and why his history book, which 
affirms George Bush's imperial worldview in every way, has become one 
of the President's favorites.

The White House invited a tiny cast (total: 15 guests) of standard 
neoconservatives and other Bush followers to the luncheon, including 
Norman Podhoretz (father-in-law of White House convict Eliot Abrams), 
Gertrude Himmelfarb (wife of Irving Kristol and mother of Bill), Mona 
Charen, Kate O'Beirne, Wall St. Journal Editorial Page Editor Paul 
Gigot, etc. etc. The Weekly Standard's Irwin Stelzer was also invited 
and wrote about the luncheon in the most glowing terms.

Stelzer's account provides truly illuminating insight into what 
neoconservatives have been filling the President's head with for 
years now, and demonstrates how they have managed to keep him firmly 
on board with their agenda. The most critical priority is to convince 
the President to continue to ignore the will of the American people 
and to maintain full-fledged loyalty to the neoconservative agenda, 
no matter how unpopular it becomes.

To do this, they have convinced the President that he has tapped into 
a much higher authority than the American people -- namely, 
God-mandated, objective morality -- and as long as he adheres to that 
(which is achieved by continuing his militaristic policies in the 
Middle East, whereby he is fighting Evil and defending Good), God and 
history will vindicate him:

On one subject the president needed no lessons from Roberts or anyone 
else in the room: how to handle pressure. I just don't feel any, he 
says with the calm conviction of a man who believes the constituency 
to which he must ultimately answer is the Divine Presence. Don't 
misunderstand: God didn't tell him to put troops in harm's way in 
Iraq; belief in Him only goes so far as to inform the president that 
there is good and evil. It is then his job to figure out how to 
promote the former and destroy the latter. And he is confident that 
his policies are doing just that.

Or, as luncheon attendee Michael Novak of the American Enterprise 
Institute recalled (also in The Weekly Standard) the President 
saying: I want to have my conscience clear with Him. Then it doesn't 
matter so much what others think. (Novak also revealingly marveled 
that The President was not at all intimidated by his fifteen or so 
guests even though the guests included Podhoretz, Himmelfarb and 
Irwin Stelzer himself -- in Novak's world, one expects the 
President to be intimidated to be in the presence of such powerful 
neoconservative luminaries, not the other way around).

Stelzer recounts what he calls the multiple lessons they taught 
Bush at this luncheon. One of the key lessons is Roberts' view that 
the U.S. should be most concerned with its relationships with the 
other English-speaking countries in the world, and not worry nearly 
as much about all those countries where they speak in foreign tongues 
(Lesson Four: Cling to the alliance of the English-speaking 
peoples).

But that lesson led Bush to bewilderingly wonder why there was such 
rising anti-Americanism all over the world, even in English-speaking 
countries such as 

Re: [Biofuel] Troubles with the First Batch.. Request Advise from the Experienced!!

2007-05-07 Thread Mike Weaver
I would just start over - I think you need to get a good crack before 
worrying about wash tests.  You should see a very clear line
with no middle layer at all.  Be sure there is no water in your oil, 
double check your titration, and maintain steady heat.

I found it useful to learn on new oil in micro batches.

Good luck!

shawn patrick wrote:

Good Day All,

I am getting confused as to what I am doing wrong. I have currently made two
batch of biodiesel 4L each. Batch A and Batch B as I will refer to them.. I
having difficulties with both..  I have created a mini-processor very
similar to that shown on the web-site. All suggestions are certainly
welcome.

Batch A

4L batch of virgin SVO. Followed instructions on web site.Pre heated SVO to
120F.  Place in bath of 120F water, add 800ml of Methanol and 21.g of KOH
solution. Agitated it for an hour then let stand for 24hrs for settling..
Got both the biodiesel layer and glycerin layer as described. Did a
'quality' wash test on it using 250ml of water and 250 ml of biodiesel. I
got what appeared to be and 3 layers, Biodiesel, middle layer(white and some
what foamy apprx. 1/2in wide,unprocessed FFA), and water.

Reprocessed 3L of Batch A using 100ml of Methanol and 5.3 g of KOH per liter
of oil.. Final product looked like biodiesel except no Glycerin layer on
bottom.. Nothing!!  Did the wash test of 250ml of bio and 250ml of water.
When I put the water in the container with the biodiesel ther instantly
separated, I then shook for 10 sec. Looks like Milk..  After 30min of
settling still looks like milk..  GOT MILK??   Suggestions.. Is it time to
go kill the grass with Batch A and start from scratch???  What went wrong?
Did I assume incorrectly think the first quality test failed, should I have
been more patient to let stand for a while to see if middle layer was paper
thin??



Batch B

I am making a 4L batch of biodiesel, I preheat the oil to approx. 120F then
place it
into a container sitting in a bath of 120F water.(very similar to the setup
shown on the website) I am adding 800ml of Methonl with 21.2g of KOH
(5.3/L). Agitation is by for one hour, this time settling was done for 12
hrs. Did quality test using wash of 250ml bio and 250 water. Again very
similar results as Batch A. Bio on top, a foamy white layer in the middle,
and water on bottom..


Do I need to process the 4L batch longer than one hour of agitation after
putting in the Methanol/KOH solution??  What can I be missing here??

I would appreciate some good advice as how to get over this first hurdle..

Regards,

Shawn Patrick

I am trying to do the quality test using washing method.  I add 250ml of
biodiesel and 250 of water. Shake vigoursly for 10 20 sec then let settle
for 1/2hr.. My results are as follows.

I am getting separation



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Re: [Biofuel] Free Market

2007-05-07 Thread Mike Weaver
Aye, laddie.

robert and benita rabello wrote:

 Thomas Kelly wrote:

There's no apostrophe in its as used below:
A car company can move it's factories to Mexico and claim it's a free
market.



 That would be the first its, ; right Miss Grundy.?
  


 Possessive its in Standard English does not have an apostrophe, 
 to distinguish it from the contraction it's--meaning it is.  Using 
 the apostrophe in the possessive form for the word its is a very 
 common mistake that I've actually heard TAUGHT er . . .  
 (erroneously?  eronneously?  I HATE spelling in this language!) 
 incorrectly in a 6th grade classroom.

 If you'd ever like to learn the meaning of frustration, try 
 teaching this concept to a 7 year old!  (Or teaching spelling to me!)

robert luis rabello
The Edge of Justice
The Long Journey
New Adventure for Your Mind
http://www.newadventure.ca

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Re: [Biofuel] Free Market

2007-05-07 Thread Mike Weaver
I am sick and tired of people wasting apostrophes.  There is a finite 
supply, and the Oxford English Dictionary estimates that we've already 
used more than half.
Moreover, with more and more people studying English, this alarming 
trend will only get worse.

Remember.  Think before you punctuate.

Joe Street wrote:

 Wow .must be a slow news day in the sustainable world

 J;^

 robert and benita rabello wrote:

 Thomas Kelly wrote:

There's no apostrophe in its as used below:
A car company can move it's factories to Mexico and claim it's a free
market.



 That would be the first its, ; right Miss Grundy.?
  


 Possessive its in Standard English does not have an apostrophe, 
 to distinguish it from the contraction it's--meaning it is.  
 Using the apostrophe in the possessive form for the word its is a 
 very common mistake that I've actually heard TAUGHT er . . .  
 (erroneously?  eronneously?  I HATE spelling in this language!) 
 incorrectly in a 6th grade classroom.

 If you'd ever like to learn the meaning of frustration, try 
 teaching this concept to a 7 year old!  (Or teaching spelling to me!)

robert luis rabello
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New Adventure for Your Mind
http://www.newadventure.ca

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http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/



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[Biofuel] Australia hands over man to US courts

2007-05-07 Thread Mike Weaver
BEFORE he was extradited to the United States, Hew Griffiths, from 
Berkeley Vale in NSW, had never even set foot in America. But he had 
pirated software produced by American companies.

Now, having been given up to the US by former justice minister Chris 
Ellison, Griffiths, 44, is in a Virginia cell, facing up to 10 years in 
an American prison after a guilty plea late last month.

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2007/05/06/1178390140855.html


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Re: [Biofuel] U.S. force aims to secure Africa

2007-05-06 Thread Mike Weaver
That's one choice I'd hate to have to make - the US or ECOMOG.

Every Car Or Movable Object Gone.

Kirk McLoren wrote:

 threatened by transnational terrorists.
  
 They are the bloody terrorists.
 How much protection money will Africa have to pay?
  
 Kirk


 */Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote:

 Not to mention the oil. Nor, I suppose, the jatropha plantations. :-(

 -

 http://www.washingtontimes.com/world/20070430-124131-8532r.htm
 - World - The Washington Times, America's Newspaper
 U.S. force aims to secure Africa

 By Jason Motlagh
 THE WASHINGTON TIMES
 April 30, 2007

 The United States hopes by year's end to establish an Africa Command
 that will anchor military operations across a continent seen to be of
 increasing strategic importance and threatened by transnational
 terrorists.
 The new force, known informally as AfriCom, will preside over all
 countries on the continent except Egypt and is expected to be
 operational by the fall, according to Pentagon officials. They say it
 is needed to secure vast, lawless areas where terrorists have sought
 safe haven to regroup and threaten U.S. interests.
 Part of the rationale behind the development of this command is
 clearly the growing emergence of the strategic importance of Africa
 from a global ... security and economic standpoint, Rear Adm. Robert
 Moeller, head of the Africa Command Transition Team, said earlier
 this month. This allows us to work more closely with our African
 partners to ... enhance the stability across the continent.
 Plans for such a force were first disclosed in April 2004, but it
 was not until February this year that Defense Secretary Robert M.
 Gates laid out the scope of the new command.
 AfriCom will initially operate as part of the Stuttgart,
 Germany-based European Command before becoming independent at the end
 of 2008. It will be a unified combatant command that includes
 branches of the military along with civilians from the departments of
 Defense, State and Agriculture, among others, according to Adm.
 Moeller.
 The force will deal with peacekeeping, humanitarian aid missions,
 military training and support of African partner countries. A
 headquarters location has yet to be determined.
 The United States now maintains five military commands worldwide,
 with Africa divided among three of them: EuCom covers 43 countries
 across North and sub-Saharan Africa; Central Command oversees East
 Africa, including the restive Horn of Africa; and Pacific Command
 looks after Madagascar.
 In 2001, CentCom established a task force in the Horn to track
 down al Qaeda terrorists and monitor instability in Somalia. It has
 since expanded to conduct humanitarian missions in the region.
 EuCom directs a seven-year, $500 million counterterrorism
 initiative that provides military and developmental aid to nine
 Saharan countries deemed vulnerable to groups looking to establish
 Afghanistan-style training grounds and carry out other illicit
 activities.
 The main target of U.S. Special Forces training African troops
 has been the Algeria-based Salafist Group for Call and Combat. The
 group withered after a crackdown by Algerian authorities and a
 state-sponsored amnesty program, but a new al Qaeda-linked offshoot
 claimed responsibility for the April 11 Algiers suicide bombings that
 killed more than 30 people.
 U.S. military officials say there is evidence that a quarter of
 suicide bombers in Iraq are from North Africa. Other jihadists are
 said to have traveled as far as Afghanistan to receive training
 before returning home to Africa to sow trouble.
 However, the initiative is not welcome in every African country.
 Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi, quoted in the Libyan daily Al-Fajr
 Al-Jadid, said at a conference in Chad last week that such a force
 was neither wanted nor needed.
 We told [the Americans] we do not need military aircraft flying
 over, nor do we need military bases, he reportedly said. We are in
 need of economic elements and an economic support. If your support to
 us is military intervention, then we do not need you, nor your help.
 Some Western critics worry that a military-based policy on the
 continent could breed radicalism where it scarcely exists by
 sustaining despotic regimes that usurp funding and military hardware
 to tighten their grip on power.
 A 2005 report by the International Crisis Group, a Brussels-based
 think tank, said the Saharan region is not a terrorist hotbed, and
 warned that some governments try to elicit U.S. aid while using the
 war on terror to justify human rights abuses.
 U.S. officials insist the new AfriCom will not result in a
 large-scale deployment of U.S. forces on 

Re: [Biofuel] Free Market

2007-05-06 Thread Mike Weaver
There's no apostrophe in its as used below:
A car company can move it's factories to Mexico and claim it's a free 
market.

Besides, just because drugs are safe for Canadians doesn't mean they are 
safe for Americans.
We're more better, and thus have different DNA.



Kirk McLoren wrote:




  
  


  Think About This !!!

  
  
 A car company can move it's factories to Mexico and claim it's
 a free market.
  
 A toy company can out source to a Chinese subcontractor and
 claim it's a free market.
  
 A shoe company can produce its shoes in Southeast Asia and
 claim it's a free market
  
 A major bank can incorporate in Bermuda to avoid taxes and
 claim it's a free market.
  
 We can buy HP Printers made in Mexico . We can buy shirts made
 in Bangladesh . We can purchase almost anything we want from
 20 different countries.
  
 BUT, heaven help the senior citizens who dare to buy their
 prescription drugs from a Canadian or Mexican pharmacy. That's
 called un-American and illegal and our politicians want to
 stop it!
  
 And you think the pharmaceutical companies don't have a
 powerful lobby? Think again!
  
 Maybe this is an issue that should come up in the next election!
  
 We're all in this boat together! Even if you aren't in this
 boat now, you're standing on the pier.
  


 
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Re: [Biofuel] EMF-Omega-News 5. May 2007 (April articles)

2007-05-06 Thread Mike Weaver
Don't be ridiculous.

I'll borrow the money. Just like my uncle. Sam

Kirk McLoren wrote:

 Yes, we have to learn to pull in the same direction. Effort opposing 
 each other is an isometric.
 Wont get you very far.
 Also we have to get past money as the objective of work. We have 
 mislead generations to worship the almighty buck.
 Kirk

 */MK DuPree [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote:

 Hi Kirk..thanks for sharing. More and more it appears to me the
 bottom line is we are discovering how freedom and independence
 are grand illusions which our subscribing to is now showing the
 truth of. We are not free, never will be, and there is no
 independence. We are all bound to each other and the planet in a
 grand scheme of interdependence, where what happens to a part
 effects the whole. So only as we learn to work together, to help
 grow our common ground and strengthen the ties that bind, not only
 do we have a chance of taking ourselves to the next generation and
 the ones beyond that but of learning true happiness and
 fulfillment in the present. Good night, and good luck. Mike DuPree

 - Original Message -
 *From:* Kirk McLoren mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 *To:* biofuel mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
 *Sent:* Sunday, May 06, 2007 11:54 AM
 *Subject:* [Biofuel] EMF-Omega-News 5. May 2007 (April articles)



 */Redaktion Buergerwelle e.V. (BI Omega-CI Omega)
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote:

 Dear Sir, Madam, Ladies and gentlemen, dear friends,

 for your information.

 Best regards,
 Klaus Rudolph
 Citizens' Initiative Omega
 Member of the Buergerwelle Germany (incorporated society)
 Protectorate Union of the Citizens and Initiatives for the
 Protection
 against Electrosmog



 Wi-fi laptops 'pose health risk to children'
 http://omega.twoday.net/stories/3670866/

 Scientists demand inquiry over Wi-Fi
 http://omega.twoday.net/stories/3669421/

 Cancer Cluster in Dalton, Georgia
 http://omega.twoday.net/stories/3671112/

 La Quinta Middle School's cancer scare
 http://omega.twoday.net/stories/3673506/

 EHS FROM PASSIVE AND TARGETED EXPOSURES
 http://omega.twoday.net/stories/3676516/

 ‘Phone mast link to lost sparrows’
 http://omega.twoday.net/stories/3671073/

 Orientation and Navigation of Bees may be disturbed by
 man-made
 electric, magnetic and electromagnetic fields
 http://omega.twoday.net/stories/3672147/

 Birds  bees hit by phone waves
 http://omega.twoday.net/stories/3669458/

 2,000 HOMING PIGEONS LOSE THEIR BEARINGS, DISAPPEAR
 http://omega.twoday.net/stories/3671987/

 Restrict mobile masts - Laws
 http://freepage.twoday.net/stories/3673641/

 Electromagnetic smog fears grow
 http://omega.twoday.net/stories/3691832/

 'Epidemic' of sleep deprivation spreads among busy Britons
 http://freepage.twoday.net/stories/3675267/

 EMF/EMR night exposures (cell phone under pillow/Alzheimers)
 http://freepage.twoday.net/stories/3691619/

 No one knows the real risks of Wi-Fi?
 http://freepage.twoday.net/stories/3691877/

 BECTA Wi-fi Report Suppressed
 http://freepage.twoday.net/stories/3676749/

 Families' fears over city Wi-Fi
 http://freepage.twoday.net/stories/3677063/

 Wi-Fi on Radio 4 and Worldwide
 http://freepage.twoday.net/stories/3679736/

 Eaton Park phone mast battle latest
 http://freepage.twoday.net/stories/3680156/

 Concerns over Southwick development
 http://freepage.twoday.net/stories/3680178/

 Fears over mast plan
 http://freepage.twoday.net/stories/3680189/

 COUNCIL GAFFE SEES MOBILE MAST ERECTED
 http://freepage.twoday.net/stories/3680375/

 Phone mast turned down
 http://freepage.twoday.net/stories/3680415/

 Mast campaigners set for pay-out
 http://freepage.twoday.net/stories/3681615/

 Wireless Oakland causing ill health at rollout
 http://omega.twoday.net/stories/3642285/

 I ask that all schools use wires not wireless
 http://freepage.twoday.net/stories/3683651/

 Honeybee Die-Off Threatens Food Supply
 http://freepage.twoday.net/stories/3686812/

 Residents’ anger as mast plan approved
 http://freepage.twoday.net/stories/3684905/

 Mobile firm fights for mast
 

[Biofuel] DOE Announces up to $200 Million in Funding for Biorefineries

2007-05-03 Thread Mike Weaver
*DOE Announces up to $200 Million in Funding for Biorefineries*

On May 1, 2007, Department of Energy (DOE) Secretary Samuel W. Bodman 
announced that the DOE will provide up to $200 million, from FY07 to 
FY11, to support the development of small-scale, (at ten percent of 
commercial scale), cellulosic biorefineries in the United States. The 
Funding Opportunity Announcement (FOA) seeks projects to develop 
integrated biorefinery demonstration facilities, employing 
lignocellulosic feedstocks for the production of a combination of liquid 
transportation fuel(s), biobased chemicals, biobased products and 
substitutes for petroleum-based feedstocks. This solicitation is in 
support of Sec. 932 of the Energy Policy Act of 2005 (P.L.109-58).

Up to $15 million is expected to be available in FY07, with the 
remaining $185 million expected to be available in FY08-11, subject to 
Congressional appropriation.  DOE anticipates making 5-10 awards under 
this announcement, with projects requiring a minimum of 50 percent cost 
share. The FOA will support demonstration projects that will use novel 
approaches as well as a variety of cellulosic feedstocks to test key 
refining processes and provide operational data needed to lower the 
technical hurdles of financing full-size commercial plants. Projects are 
expected to be operational within three to four years with 
commercial-scale demonstrations expected to follow thereafter.

*Applications for this FOA are due August 14, 2007.*

For more information on the FOA, Demonstration of Integrated 
Biorefinery Operations for Producing Biofuels and Chemical/Materials 
Products - DE-PS36-07GO97003 visit:


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Re: [Biofuel] Bayer Corporation gets Rachel Carson honors

2007-05-01 Thread Mike Weaver
That's nothing.  Big Pharma is trying to ban vitamins and carrot juice 
in the US.

Keith Addison wrote:

Unbelievable! Well, almost...

Bayer's press releases below. Excerpt:

  

Bayer employees are proud that we as a company take action that 
supports the public interest and demonstrates corporate citizenship 
that benefits humankind, said Dr. Attila Molnar, President and CEO, 
Bayer Corporation. In meeting our responsibilities to society, 
Bayer relies on its core values of improving quality of life while 
harmonizing commercial efficiency, ecology and social commitment.



A little sanity here:
Coalition Against Bayer Dangers
http://www.cbgnetwork.de/4.html

Also here:
http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]q=Bayer
Bayer

And here:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=enie=ISO-8859-1q=corporate+criminals+bayer
corporate criminals bayer - Google Search



Bayer to be Honored by Rachel Carson Homestead Association

2007-04-19 17:19:21 -

PITTSBURGH, April 19 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- Bayer Corporation 
will be honored tomorrow, Friday, April 20, by the Rachel Carson 
Homestead Association at a reception that kicks off a yearlong series 
of special events commemorating the centennial of the birth of author 
and ecologist Rachel Carson.

One of the Homestead Association's key events, the Rachel Carson 
Legacy Challenge reception hosted by Teresa Heinz Kerry at the 
Senator John Heinz History Center, will recognize Bayer and 15 other 
companies and organizations. Specifically, Bayer is being honored for 
its continued support and implementation of its various local, 
national and global environmental initiatives, some begun more than a 
decade ago, that are designed to foster a healthier planet.

Throughout the centennial year, Bayer is also helping to sponsor a 
number of special environmental education programs organized by the 
Homestead Association.

Bayer employees are proud that we as a company take action that 
supports the public interest and demonstrates corporate citizenship 
that benefits humankind, said Dr. Attila Molnar, President and CEO, 
Bayer Corporation. In meeting our responsibilities to society, Bayer 
relies on its core values of improving quality of life while 
harmonizing commercial efficiency, ecology and social commitment.

The objective of the event is to highlight how commitment to 
environmentally sustainable practices can make a tangible difference 
in the health, quality of life, environment and economic viability of 
local, regional and global communities.

We applaud Bayer Corporation for continuing to take 'green steps to 
a sustainable future,' by making permanent, measurable changes in 
behavior and policies that promote Rachel Carson's environmental 
ethic, said Patricia M. DeMarco, executive director, Rachel Carson 
Homestead Association. As a forward-thinking company, Bayer clearly 
understands that by committing to this challenge, it will help build 
conditions for a more sustainable, healthy world.

Bayer's Sustainability Progress

Bayer works to develop technologies that increase energy efficiency 
and protect drinking water; helps to eradicate pandemic diseases in 
the developing world; strengthens science education in the United 
States; introduces sustainable business practices to today's 
students; and reduces its own footprint globally. Bayer was one of 
the first chemical companies to join the Responsible Care(R) 
initiative and publish an environmental report in 1993. Several years 
later, it would become one of 45 founding members of the United 
Nation's Global Compact and join the Global Reporting Initiative.

More than a decade ago, Bayer set an ambitious goal to reduce 
greenhouse gas emissions from more than 400 facilities worldwide in 
absolute numbers by 50 percent from 1990 to 2012, while 
simultaneously increasing manufacturing output. Since 1990, Bayer has 
bettered the greenhouse gas emission targets specified in the Kyoto 
Protocol and cut direct greenhouse gas emissions worldwide by more 
than 70 percent.

Through technical improvements and structural changes, Bayer also has 
cut its worldwide energy use by 26 percent between 2000 and 2005. The 
Carbon Disclosure Project, a coalition of more than 200 worldwide 
institutional investors, lists Bayer as Best in Class in worldwide 
climate protection.

Bayer was one of the first members of the Chicago Climate Exchange -- 
the world's first and America's only voluntary, legally binding 
greenhouse gas reduction and trading system for emission sources in 
North America and Brazil.

Bayer's climate strategy includes developing products that conserve 
natural resources. These include refrigerator insulation, lightweight 
automotive materials and thermal insulation for buildings, all of 
which increase energy efficiency, lower fuel consumption and reduce 
emissions. Fueling the green building revolution are Bayer's 
innovative coatings, adhesives and polycarbonate materials. Currently 

Re: [Biofuel] Fw: patent for transesterification of oil to Biodiesel

2007-04-30 Thread Mike Weaver
Google prior art patent

I don't think there is much to worry about

Keith Addison wrote:

I'd appreciate some opinions on this, if anyone would like to comment.

Just to stir it up a bit, a somewhat ridiculous small company in 
Japan called Someya Shoten which feels it leads the world in matters 
biodiesel took out a patent on transesterification some years ago.

So is Ben Gurion University infringing on Someya Shoten's patent?

Or is the whole thing preposterous, since transesterification was 
invented/discovered about 150 years ago and is thoroughly in the 
public domain no matter who decides to patent it, and no matter which 
dumb patent office that doesn't check anything decides to grant the 
patent?

Would the best advice to the Sahel group be to ignore it and just get 
on with it?

Has anybody patented the human nose yet, or failing that, the air 
noses breathe?

All best

Keith


  

I had this email from a group working with biodiesel in the Sahel. If
it's true, it seems ridiculous to me.

See:
http://www.wipo.int/pctdb/en/ia.jsp?IA=IL2006000622REF=RSS
(WO/2006/126206) PRODUCTION OF BIODIESEL FROM BALANITES AEGYPTIACA

Best

Keith




Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 11:20:52 +0200
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Fw: patent for transesterification of oil to Biodiesel
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

- Original Message -
From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 11:16 AM
Subject: patent for transesterification of oil to Biodiesel

Dear Sirs,

We are supporting NGO 's and cooperatives in Afrika,
there is a big need to produce oil from all possible plants, nuts ,
seeds of any other vegetable origine , for human consumption or for
producing energie.
One of the NGO ' s in the Sahel-region helps the local population to
organise the collecting of the fruits and nuts
to improve their oil production from the nuts of the Balanites tree.
The Balanites tree is very popular by the population , the fruits
are sweet amere but the  juice is used as a drink and sold to the
town , the nuts are very hard and inside, the kernel  contains 40 to
48% of oil.
Sometimes the used as lamp-oil.
The whole tree is very interesting for public health , on
internet is a lot of information about that.
The NGO will make the use as lamp-oil better by transesterification
to obtain biodiesel that the should burn in
small diesel cookingoven ,so that they don't have to use the wood ,
which is one of the biggest problem in this region.
Further the don't have electricity ,  the have diesel generator ,
but the irrigularity in delivery and the high prices of gasoil makes
it to difficult in using them  all the time.


The problem :

There is a pattent on the invention to make biodiesel from
BALANITES OIL .(WO/2006/126206) dated november 2006 by the BEN
GORION UNIVERSITY


Please can you inform us, Is it  possible to take a patent on the
transesterification process of oil to produce Biodiesel?

Is this ALL Patent possible?

Is this NEW  and what is new on this invention?

Is this not in contradiction with statements of many Organisations -
World Wide - for the devellopment of POOR COUNTRIES ,

Thanks for your attention

we remain with kind regards

marc van de velde
Leningstraat 19
2140 ANTWERP
Belgium


production and office in POLAND
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]

  

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Re: [Biofuel] bee followup

2007-04-26 Thread Mike Weaver
I'm sure the truth is somewhere in between - I think I'm leery of 
USDA-approved because of all the loopholes - for instance your cattle 
must be feed natural non-GMO, non-chemically-laded feed, unless of 
course you think that's too expensive, then you can feed cattle toxic 
sludge pellets and still market the meat as organic.  Also, the SCC read 
in even organic milk is often quite high.  I don't want to drink baked 
pus, which can be 10% of the volume of milk.  Yechh.

Chip Mefford wrote:

Mike Weaver wrote:
  

In the US, all Organic means, thanks to congress, is that the labell 
says Organic.  It has no real value.  It's to make you feel better.


SNIP

That's not completely true Mike.

Have a friend who certifies organic farms,
and tracks organic certification compliance
for a living.

It is a far less than trivial task.

Now, as to the label 'Organic' you may be
correct, as I don't know what that label
means. But a usda certified organic farm
did a lot more than file some paperwork.
They worked for it.

You can learn more here;
http://www.ams.usda.gov/nop/indexNet.htm


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