Re: [Biofuel] Lokpal: Anna Hazare 'ready' to die for country as Team urges him to end fast
Anna Hazare's fast and his resolve to bring about a new legislation which is tough on corruption is a welcome sign in India and probably can set an example in other countries to have common man have a big say in policy formation. In India in last 65 odd years this is the first time Anna and his group has created lot of public discussion, street corner meetings and debates in media about the need to have a strong anti corruption legislation. This initiative has been 100% peacefull and will remain so. Yesterday night government passed a version of the anti corruption bill which is lacking lot of important points to really curtain corruption and important being complete independence for investigation agency from government (operational independnce). bringing sanity in public life is a perpetual effort and through Anna, India society will keep up the effort --- On Tue, 12/27/11, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] Lokpal: Anna Hazare 'ready' to die for country as Team urges him to end fast To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Date: Tuesday, December 27, 2011, 12:06 PM Anna Hazare - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anna_Hazare --0-- http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Lokpal-Anna-Hazare-ready-to-die-for-country-as-Team-urges-him-to-end-fast/articleshow/11267217.cms Lokpal: Anna Hazare 'ready' to die for country as Team urges him to end fast PTI | Dec 27, 2011 MUMBAI - Anna Hazare on Tuesday said he will work for the betterment of the country as long as he is alive and won't mind dying to achieve his goal. Speaking at the MMRDA grounds here after starting his three-day fast demanding a strong Lokpal bill, Hazare said though he had fever, the people's support was motivating him to go on. I am not afraid of dying. I have decided that when I die it will be for the country and as long as I live I will work for the betterment of this country, Hazare said. Doctors have checked me. Earlier my temperature was fine but now it has increased. But seeing you all present here motivates me and my morale increases, he added. Hazare said he has been fighting corruption for the last 35 years and though he shunned his near and dear ones for the cause, eventually the whole country became his family. I've been fighting against corruption for the last five years and I own nothing. I only have a plate, a bed and some space inside a temple to sleep. I've not visited my family in the last 35 years. But now the whole country is my family, said Hazare. The activist arrived at the fast venue in Bandra-Kurla complex in suburban Mumbai after paying homage to Mahatma Gandhi at his statue at the Juhu beach. He reached the complex with a mass of people who joined him in a rally that started from the Juhu beach. However, alarmed by his ill health, prominent members of his team Arvind Kejriwal and Kiran Bedi appealed to him to end the hunger strike. He has fever, let us request him to stop his fast. Anna can continue his dharna, Bedi said addressing supporters at the MMRDA ground where Hazare was sitting on fast. The 74-year-old activist was suffering from viral infection and his personal assistant Suresh Pathare had been insisting that Hazare was well and he will be sitting on fast. Anna is unwell. Will you request Anna to withdraw his fast? Bedi asked the crowd, which responded with a loud Yes. However, Hazare, looking quite under the weather, waved his hand in a gesture of No. Kejriwal and another close aide Manish Sisodia also requested Hazare to end his fast. Hazare, who has been suffering from cold and mild fever for the past three days, reached the grounds at around 12:30 PM after a rally from the guest house where he was staying to the ground which took over two-and-half hours. He is a little weak as of now, but will be fit to fast from tomorrow. His blood pressure and other vital parameters are normal. He has got a little cough and cold but he is getting better, his doctor D G Pote had said yesterday. The activist has been under medication for the past three days, he said. With inputs from IANS. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20111227/f0387749/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and
Re: [Biofuel] Grubs wreck India's dreams
Kevin like many others has a mind set that does not understand India (my point of View): 1) First he says that there are lot of middlemen who make lot of money. The truth is these middle men are part of the system. You will have to work inside the system to improve that rather than telling that middle men is causing the problem. Some ground level statistics to prove that middle men are not the real problem. About 90% of the Food related transactions are done in rural area and 50% of that transaction does not involve money exchange (it only involves product exchange). This data would prove the middle men even though they are there are not the real problem. India gets some portion of petrol from middle east for which they pay in dollars. In a way US is a middleman in the transaction. 2) The point about 40% food wasted is true. Hence the real solution is around that logistics improvement. Indian rural side has 50,000 weekly markets where people from all near by village come and trade their goods. Considering the above two facts instead of FDI in retail FDI in food storage and processing is the neccessity and which already has 100% FDI approved. FDI in retail is 500 billion and FDI in food storage and processing is 500 million bussiness. Probably this data will tell why is there is fight on FDI in retail. Moral of the story: If you provide a solution to any people or society or country which they do not want but which makes your business profitable is bound to fail. --- On Tue, 12/27/11, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] Grubs wreck India's dreams To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Date: Tuesday, December 27, 2011, 12:06 PM http://www.japantimes.co.jp/text/eo20111227a2.html Tuesday, Dec. 27, 2011 Grubs wreck India's dreams By KEVIN RAFFERTY Special to The Japan Times HONG KONG - My old friend Manmohan Singh has just suffered a devastating and very public defeat. Is it time for him to step down as India's prime minister and take a well-earned retirement after more than 40 years of top-level public service? Is it time for Singh and Sonia Gandhi's Congress Party coalition government to call elections in the hope that a new younger wave of politicians may emerge with fresh ideas to drag the ancient civilization of India to meet its 21st-century potential? These suggestions are prompted by the recent extraordinary political events, which saw Singh promise that India's massive retail market, worth close to $500 billion and expected to double to $1 trillion in the next five years, would be open to 100 percent foreign direct investment. Yet within days Singh reneged. The disastrous U-turn is worse than any damage to the retail sector or even the fear that, as one BBC commentator claimed, the message is that India was closing the door to all foreign investors. However, it does raise questions as to whether India's reform process has shuddered to a halt. The main damage is political: How could a government with a sufficient majority to push through any measures in Parliament have so misunderstood opposition from within its own ranks as well as from outside? How can any government which says one thing and then changes its mind so quickly be trusted on anything? The questions are about government and governance. Shopping mall mania has hit the suburbs of India's big cities hard. Huge sprawling glass palaces for leisure, with cinemas, cheap restaurants, including McDonald's, KFC, and clothing stores galore are springing up. In several places in Delhi, Mumbai and other metropolitan cities, the malls cast a lurid light on slums in their shadow. But India is proof that anecdotal journalism is unreliable. Overall, the modern sector of the retail business is somewhere between small and tiny, ranging from a high of 23 percent in the clothing and fashion business to 11 percent in furniture and furnishings to a miniscule 1 percent modern penetration in food and grocery items. Food still accounts for more than 40 percent of household spending. Crawford Market (now officially renamed Mahatma Jyotiba Phule Mandai, though everyone still calls it Crawford, after Bombay's first municipal commissioner), in downtown Mumbai, offers a cornucopia of the wonders of India. The Norman-Flemish style building sells almost everything from cats, dogs, parrots endangered species of snakes, billowing wigs of human hair to spices and all sorts of food. If you slip and slither through the stench of the vegetables and meat to ask for eggs, they may still be hot and grubby from being freshly laid. Outside metropolitan India, markets sprawl in the open air with endless opportunities for spoiling and wastage. Montek Singh Ahluwalia, vice chairman of India's Planning Commission, estimated that 40 percent of India's food is spoiled even before it gets to market because of lack of village roads and wretched
[Biofuel] YOUR EFFORT CAN BRING THE OIL PRICE DOWN
PLEASE DO YOUR EFFORT AND PASS ON THE MESSAGE TO LOWER THE PRICE OF OIL Nice Logic - It May Work !! THINK ABOUT IT…… A man eats two eggs each morning for breakfast. When he goes to the Kirana store he pays Rs. 12 a dozen. Since a dozen eggs won't last a week he normally buys two dozens at a time. One day while buying eggs he notices that the price has risen to Rs. 16. The next time he buys groceries, eggs are Rs. 22 a dozen. When asked to explain the price of eggs the store owner says, The price has gone up and I have to raise my price accordingly . This store buys 100 dozen eggs a day. He checked around for a better price and all the distributors have raised their prices. The distributors have begun to buy from the huge egg farms. The small egg farms have been driven out of business. The huge egg farms sell 100,000 dozen eggs a day to distributors. With no competition, they can set the price as they see fit. The distributors then have to raise their prices to the grocery stores. And on and on and on. As the man kept buying eggs the price kept going up. He saw the big egg trucks delivering 100 dozen eggs each day. Nothing changed there. He checked out the huge egg farms and found they were selling 100,000 dozen eggs to the distributors daily. Nothing had changed but the price of eggs. Then week before Diwali the price of eggs shot up to Rs. 40 a dozen. Again he asked the grocery owner why and was told, Cakes and baking for the holiday. The huge egg farmers know there will be a lot of baking going on and more eggs will be used. Hence, the price of eggs goes up. Expect the same thing at Christmas and other times when family cooking, baking, etc. happen. This pattern continues until the price of eggs is Rs. 60 a dozen. The man says, There must be something we can do about the price of eggs. He starts talking to all the people in his town and they decide to stop buying eggs. This didn't work because everyone needed eggs. Finally, the man suggested only buying what you need. He ate 2 eggs a day. On the way home from work he would stop at the grocery and buy two eggs. Everyone in town started buying 2 or 3 eggs a day. The grocery store owner began complaining that he had too many eggs in his cooler. He told the distributor that he didn't need any eggs. Maybe wouldn't need any all week. The distributor had eggs piling up at his warehouse. He told the huge egg farms that he didn't have any room for eggs would not need any for at least two weeks. At the egg farm, the chickens just kept on laying eggs. To relieve the pressure, the huge egg farm told the distributor that they could buy the eggs at a lower price. The distributor said, I don't have the room for the %$^*% eggs even if they were free. The distributor told the grocery store owner that he would lower the price of the eggs if the store would start buying again. The grocery store owner said, I don't have room for more eggs. The customers are only buying 2 or 3 eggs at a time. Now if you were to drop the price of eggs back down to the original price, the customers would start buying by the dozen again. The distributors sent that proposal to the huge egg farmers but the egg farmers liked the price they were getting for their eggs but, those chickens just kept on laying. Finally, the egg farmers lowered the price of their eggs. But only a few paisa. The customers still bought 2 or 3 eggs at a time. They said, when the price of eggs gets down to where it was before, we will start buying by the dozen. Slowly the price of eggs started dropping. The distributors had to slash their prices to make room for the eggs coming from the egg farmers. The egg farmers cut their prices because the distributors wouldn't buy at a higher price than they were selling eggs for. Anyway, they had full warehouses and wouldn't need eggs for quite a while. And those chickens kept on laying. Eventually, the egg farmers cut their prices because they were throwing away eggs they couldn't sell. The distributors started buying again because the eggs were priced to where the stores could afford to sell them at the lower price. And the customers starting buying by the dozen again. Now, transpose this analogy to the gasoline industry. What if everyone only bought Rs 200.00 worth of Petrol each time they pulled to the pump? The dealer's tanks would stay semi full all the time. The dealers wouldn't have room for the gas coming from the huge tanks. The tank farms wouldn't have room for the petrol coming from the refining plants. And the refining plants wouldn't have room for the oil being off loaded from the huge tankers coming from the oil fiends. Just Rs 200.00 each time you buy gas. Don't fill up the tank of your car. You may have to stop for gas twice a week, but the price should come down. Think about it. Also, don't buy anything else at the fuel station; don't give them any more of your hard earned
[Biofuel] navadarshanam
http://www.navadarshanam.org/ Please check this initiative near Bangalore , India. Within this 50 hecter land setup they do not have power grip coming in and energy needs (cooking and lighting) are satisfied by cobar gas and pongamia seeds run engine. Also see their low cost environment friendly houses it cost 1/4th of normal (cement and metal housing) cost. Good initiative ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Algae In Storage Tank?
Roger, Formula for algae is (water + nutriant + co2). If there are possibility of all this in Biofule storage we can find algae. On preventing the algae you can use ultrasonic vibrator similar to one used in swimming pools if biofuel storage tank is a plastic tank. Best regards, Siva. --- Roger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been warned of this but haven't seen any thing yet. I keep my finished biodiesel in a 275-Gal Oil Tank. Someone my dad was talking to said they had problems with algae growing in their tank. Just wondering if any one else has encountered this and if there is something I can do to prevent it. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Fuel from Algae
Keith, I tried some experiment with algae: I had algae in a plastic container with some naoh and cow dung (for methane) and applied some pressure through cycle pump and applied some ultrasonic vibrations to the plastic container ( tried all combination by reading net). I have tried couple of times with no success till now. Thought I will update this group. Best regards, Am. Sivaramakrishnan --- Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Simon Check out this site , re biodiesel from Algae in New Zealand ,..now ! . http://www.aquaflowgroup.com/technology.html Simon. Thankyou. Not the first we hear of Aquaflow. But why do you say now! Simon? That link only says they've established that the company is likely to be able to produce, at commercial scale, a viable biofuel, it doesn't say they've succeeded yet. Aquaflow produced a sample of algal biodiesel about a year ago, and a month ago they announced success harvesting wild algae in bulk, with biofuels production expected to follow in the next few months. There's a link on that page to their FAQ, did you read it? http://www.aquaflowgroup.com/FAQs.html It says they demonstrated proof of concept in December 2006; We anticipate that we wil require six months or more to reach a working platform upon which to build a commercial operating prototype; they expect economic assumptions will be validated In the next 12 to 18 months. By all accounts they're not yet producing biodiesel from algae - maybe soon, hopefully, but not now. If I'm missing something maybe you'll point it out, but otherwise, why do you say now!? PetroSun announced in March that its commercial algae-to-biofuels plant would go online on April 1, at least one news source announced (on March 29) First Algae Biodiesel Plant Goes Online, though it hadn't yet, and now it's two months later and nothing more has been heard about it, and there doesn't seem to be any further news at their website. And so on. We've been hearing that biodiesel from algae is here now! for more than three years, and it still isn't here. Well, these things take time, but why is it that the subject of biodiesel from algae seems to obscure the essential difference between now and sometime soon? Can we have a reality check please? Discuss algal biodiesel developments all you like, please feel free, but the next time somebody somehow feels compelled to blurt out biodiesel from algae is here now! would they mind first getting a solid answer to the question: Where can I buy some?? Thankyou. Best Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Jatropha in India
Good reading http://www.biodieselsociety.org/news_international.asp - Original Message From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 10:53:57 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Jatropha in India Comment at the stoves list on jatropha by Dr. A. D. Karve, president of the Appropriate Rural Technology Institute (ARTI) in Maharashtra, India (excerpts): Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 05:51:14 +0530 From: adkarve [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion of biomass cooking stoves [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Stoves] The PROTOS Plant Oil Cooker I fail to understand, why the Government of India is making so much propaganda about Jatropha, which is a low yielding, wild plant. Nobody in India has ever obtained more than 300 to 400 kg of oil per ha from Jatropha. ... Any cultivated oilseed plant species, which has been subjected to plant breeding input, would yield more oil than Jatropha... Land is in short supply. If one has to use land to grow anything, one should not grow a low yielding plant like Jatropha. Yours A.D.Karve More from Dr Karve: Jatropha oil as household energy -- A critique of Jatropha in India: http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg48290.html Best Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Need Mail bonding? Go to the Yahoo! Mail QA for great tips from Yahoo! Answers users. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=listsid=396546091 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: Producing Ethanol--and Conserving the Soil
Hi, FYI, Pongamia seed residue after oil extraction is also used as manure in India. I find usage of the same in home garden also quite effective. Best regards, Am. Sivaramakrishnan - Original Message From: Pagandai Pannirselvam [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 4:24:06 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: Producing Ethanol--and Conserving the Soil Hi , Keith Thank you bringing here the very important report Residual biomass = Food+Fiber+Feed+Fertilizer+Fuel Brazilian sugarcane distillery is also exploring very well the use of a byproduct effluent of ethanol fermentation as an organic additive to soils. This is also an example of the innovations very well to support residue removal , integrated very well with the feed , not yet for fiber, where as the solid residues India are used for paper production.More recycling of the solid residues incorporated with the effluent in Brazilian sugar cane field is more sustainable compared to India, where 10 times more chemical fertilizers , and also very significant amount of the toxic chemicals , well promoted by the very big blue companies, are used and thus less sustainable, thus raw very less green technology.The inoculated microbes as bio fertilizer also the other approach well applied in Brazil, thus making very sucess for the sustainable Brazilian biofuel project. Thus , the natural farming is no more out dated , yet the best way .This method need more recycle of solid residues for the soil , thus the system can be more productive and also more sustainable.Thus the recycle can be more easy as fertilizer rather than the fuel production . sd Pannir, Brasil 2007/4/25, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED]: From: ARS News Service [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Producing Ethanol--and Conserving the Soil Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 08:01:25 -0400 STORY LEAD: In Producing Ethanol, Some Cornstalks Should be Left in the Field ___ ARS News Service Agricultural Research Service, USDA Don Comis, (301) 504-1625, [EMAIL PROTECTED] April 25, 2007 --View this report online, plus photos and related stories, at www.ars.usda.gov/is/pr ___ If conservation of soil organic matter is taken into account, the United States at best has to cut in half the amount of cornstalks that can be harvested to produce ethanol, according to an Agricultural Research Service (ARS) study. Jane Johnson, a soil scientist with the ARS North Central Soil Conservation Research Laboratory in Morris, Minn., found that twice as many cornstalks have to be left in the field to maintain soil organic matter levels, compared to the amount of stalks needed only to prevent erosion. This doesn't mean harvesting cornstalks for cellulosic ethanol isn't feasible--just that when you add soil organic matter concerns to erosion concerns, it slashes the amount of cornstalks available for conversion to ethanol. For example, 213-bushel-per-acre corn yields leave farmers an average four tons per acre of cornstalks after harvest. Farmers could then harvest about two tons of cornstalks per acre for conversion to ethanol--but only from land with low erosion risks, using little or no tillage. If the same farmers rotate with soybeans as recommended, they can only remove half again as much biomass for ethanol production, or just one ton per acre, to compensate for the lower biomass left by soybeans. Johnson's estimates are part of the Renewable Energy Assessment Project (REAP), formally created in 2006, although she and a core group of colleagues have worked on these measurements for several years prior. REAP was formed to ensure that cellulosic ethanol programs will be sustainable. Most participants work with corn, but others work on switchgrass for cellulosic ethanol. When cellulosic ethanol is made from corn, it uses cornstalks as well as grain. There are nine ARS locations participating in REAP in eight states, from Alabama to Indiana to Oregon. The new program also aims to compare the economic value of biomass for bioenergy versus its value for storing soil carbon. REAP will provide guidelines on harvesting biomass to corn farmers, land managers, the biomass industry and action agencies. Johnson also explored the use of a byproduct of ethanol fermentation as an organic additive to soils. This is an example of the innovations needed to support residue removal. ARS is the U.S. Department of Agriculture's chief in-house scientific research agency. ___ This is one of the news reports that ARS Information distributes to subscribers on weekdays. Send feedback and questions to the ARS News Service at [EMAIL PROTECTED] * You are subscribed to ARS News as [EMAIL PROTECTED] * To change the address, please notify the ARS News Service at [EMAIL PROTECTED] . * To unsubscribe, send a blank email to
[Biofuel] Useful link
Hi, http://www.arti-india.org/content/view/12/28/ ARTI institute is specialized in sustainable rural development. Specific interest to the group will about the compact biogas plant which can be build around appro $100 (Methane from house hold waste). They have a $3 (Indian Rs 150)guide ( postage within India), covering their various ( effective/cost effective) technique for rural development. Read through the link and see what techniques can be replicated round the world. Best regards, Am. Sivaramakrishnan ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Methane from food waste/starchy food
For methan production best source is starchy food materials like , 1 kg of starchy food material can produce methane equal to methane that be produced from 40 cows dung and in couple of hours. for more detail on this and other rural sustainable energy source refer www.arti-india.org. best regards, Am. Sivaramakrishnan - Original Message From: NV Dhana [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 8:42:49 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Bio-Gas...i.e. Methane...Marsh Gas...etc. John, cow manure is excelent for Methane source. Manure from four cow can provide enough methane for one household for cooking, Lighting and hot water. pig manure is poor for methane production. plenty of litrature is on line for it. From: John P Gochoco [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] Bio-Gas...i.e. Methane...Marsh Gas...etc. Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 21:21:27 -0800 Can someone show me a string of emails...or something showing any discussion regarding the production and use of Methane in the US? I pass by huge poultry's and cow and pig farms almost everyday and not one of them ever even thought of the potentials. They all seem to be sold on the idea of just using manure for fertilizer. Maybe I'm wrong...somebody help me!!! ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ _ Get today's hot entertainment gossip http://movies.msn.com/movies/hotgossip?icid=T002MSN03A07001 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Diwali - Festival of Lights
Thanks Keith, Happy diwali (as applicable). Best regards, Am. Sivaramakrishnan, Bangalore, India. - Original Message From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 8:57:58 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Diwali - Festival of Lights Best wishes for a happy Diwali to our Hindu list members and their families and loved ones. Namaste Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Re: Ph.D in Biodiesel
Dear sukumar and sashi kumar, I am siva a software and telecommunication engineer from Bangalore. I am also very much interested in bio-diesel as a hobby for now, but want to get into that more seriously as years go. Please let me know i what way I can start contributing in the effort staying at Bangalore. But full time will be difficult. Best regards, siva. --- sukumar puhan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear sashi Kumar, Here sukumar from india (chennai). I too also finished M.Tech. in Mechanical Engg. and got 2 years experience in biodiesel preparation, emission, performance and combustion analysis. All these work i did in Anna University and CLRI. I have a group of people also like Agricultural, Chemical, Automobile, Biochemistry but i don't have a botany specialist. If u willing to join in our group then we will do a better work and we can start a company in india also. PLz Feel free to ask your queery Looking forward to your reply thanking you sukumar puhan shashi kumar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Friends, Can any one help me to find the name of universities in USA having PhD programmes on Biodiesel i have done my Masters in Botany in India Warm Greeetings, Ajay Kumar. [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Do you Yahoo!? vote.yahoo.com - Register online to vote today! ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ - ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ __ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[biofuel] Indian bio fuel drive
Hi all, India the second largest sugarcane producer has at last kick started the BIO fuel revolution in India. Government has made it mandatory to add 5% of Ethanol in petrol sold in 9 of 25 states from jan 1st 2003. Remaining states will also be included may be in a years time. Other policy on the anvil is making this to 10% and also having upto 10% of ethanol in diesel. No time frame have been mentioned about this. This is a great saving of upto 2 billion US$ per year. May be by 2-3 years this will touch upto to 5 billion US$. Adding a great benefit to environment which I need not explain to this user group. Its a great boon to sugar cane farmers who for the last 2-3 years have not been getting their money from the sugar producing mills in proper time and also at a good price ( I mean 2 billion US$ will be circulated at rural economy). I have embarked on a mission to go to every school once in a week to educate people on this bio fuel drive. Any help in this regard is greatly appreciated. I mean some good inputs to my presentation slides. I have also approached a TV channel which telecast weekly debates to have a programm on having a national policy on BIO fuel. Any help/pointers in this regard is also greatly appreciated. I have another question. Can normal petromax lamp be lit on ethanol? Best regards, siva. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] EREN Network News -- 12/04/02
Hi all, I recently joined this group as a person interested in promoting Bio-Fuel awareness in India. I just read a article in Internet about a small group in bangalore, India promoting BIO-Fuel. Hope the information provided are are some help. Some figures in the article 1US $ = 50 India Rupee (Rs) 1 crore = 10 million indian rupee 1 lakh = 0.1 million India rupee Please let me know of any clarification. Best regards, Siva. One evening in early 1999, Dr.Udipi Shrinivasa from the Indian Institute of Science, Bangalore was having tea with some locals in Kagganahalli village. He had for some years been investigating various strategies that would sustain continuous economic development of this semi - arid area. Oh there is nothing much here, a villager was saying. No river, no wells, no electricity; just hundreds of Honge trees and tonnes of seeds. Not much use now. Our grandparents used the uneatable oil for lamps! Dr.Shrinivasa perked up! Useless? If it can burn in lamps, it can surely run diesel engines. After all Rudolf Diesel used peanut oil to run the first ever diesel engine. The adventure begins: Back in the Institute, he quickly extracted some oil, poured it into an engine and started it. Of course it ran! And ran well too. It was a sobering moment, he says. Here we were,- all scientists- looking at technical solutions like windmills, gasifiers, solar panels and methane generators for rural India, and we had not made the obvious connection with the potential of non-edible oils known from Vedic times as fuels. As he excitedly researched this 'bio-diesel' or 'eco-fuel', astonishing facts and scenarios came tumbling out. In the 1930s the British Institute of Standards, Calcutta had examined, over a 10 year period, a series of eleven non edible oils as potential 'diesels', among them the oil from Pongamia Pinnata ['Honge' in Kannada]. In 1942, during those dark war years the prestigious US journal, 'Oil and Power' had in an editorial euologised Honge Oil as technically a fit candidate to generate industrial-strength power. The Cinderalla oil: What happened then? War was over, oil fields were secure again, everyone got lazy and the petroleum industry got smart: it pumped out and flooded the world with fuels, at times cheaper than the cost of water. Honge oil fell from favour and waited like Cinderalla, for its prince charming. Even the rural Indian was moving away from remembered traditions: Kerosene had arrived in Indian villages. And yet a Honge oil economy did survive in India, though once removed from direct contact with people. Dr.Shrinivasa estimates that the size of trade in Honge oil['Karanji' in Hindi and 'Pungai' in Tamil] controlled by the Bombay commodities market is 1 million tonnes feeding mostly soap making and lubricants industries. In Warrangal, Andhra Pradesh, the Azamshahi Textile Mills, set up by the Nizam of Hyderabad in 1940, generated all the power needs of the factory using non-edible oils until its recent closure; and it had surplus power left over for the city's needs! However the Honge is a much ignored tree now. It grows on regardless, waiting for its virtues to be re-discovered. It is a hardy tree that mines water for its needs from 10 metre depths without competing with other crops. It grows all over the country, from the coastline to the hill slopes. It needs very little care and cattle do not browse it. It has a rich leathery evergreen foliage, that is a wonderful manure. From year-3 it yields pods and production is a mature average of 160kG per tree per year from year-10, through to its life of 100 years. Ten trees can yield 400 litres of oil, 1200 kg of fertiliser grade oil cake and 2500kg of biomass as green manure per year. Quick economics: Dr.Shrinivasa ran through some quick numbers. A litre of Honge was equivalent in performance to a litre of diesel. If the farmer collected the seeds free from his land, had it milled and sold the oil cake at Rs.3 per kG, the cost of oil to him was Rs.4 per litre. [The cost of diesel is Rs.18 a litre today.] If he bought the seeds at Rs.3.50 per kilo, the cost was Rs.9 per litre and if he bought the ready oil from the market it was Rs.20. The potential to drive the rural economy, make it autonomous and put some cash in its pockets was obvious. We are mindlessly increasing food grain production without caring to see how the poor would buy them. That it is why food rots and people go hungry. If the power and fertiliser needs are met by Honge, villages would have cash surpluses, says Dr.Shrinivasa. In fact the opportunity is enormous for the country's macro-economy too. ...30 million hectare equivalent [planted for biodiesels] can completely replace the current use of fossil fuels, both liquid and solid, renewably, at costs India can afford, says Dr. Shrinivasa. Our oil bill is $6 billion a year; we can put a third of that cash in the hands of rural Indians, have our oil needs met and save the two thirds. Do
