Re: [Biofuel] Okay, This time I really am going to take down the list, , , , but first, please read
We have a farm in Upstate NY and I am interested too. ThanksTony MarzolinoMarz Farm3624 Wilson Creek Rd, Berkshire,NY 13736Farm: 607-657-8534Cell: 315-378-5180www.marzfarm.comtmarzol...@yahoo.com From: Vin Lava To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2017 8:49 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Okay, This time I really am going to take down the list, , , , but first, please read I also have a farm in the Philippines that uses Natural Farming Technology. I'm interested. Thanks, Chipper! :-) On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 11:33 PM, Chip Mefford wrote: > > > Good day all of you who are left, > > I really want to thank everyone who has sent their > thoughts on taking the list down. There have been > some, , no, not some, all, great stories. > > Before I take the list down, , > I was wondering how many of you are still interested in keeping > something like this going. > > reason I ask is that I am becoming involved in a > new software project that I find very exciting, and > hence have chosen to do the work to update my > respective servers, including the mailing list server. > > Kind of a pain in the neck, I went through a life-change > over the last 6 years, and walking away from all things > IT was part of that. Since I had many dangling obligations > (being a denizen of the internet) I tapered it all down > to where about the only thing I was responsible for was > this mailing list. However, that particular attempt > at resolving some things in my life by not doing > systems administration have cropped back up again, > so that wasn't the fix for which I had hoped. > > So, it doesn't make sense really to abandon all those > skills I had developed, even though I am moving into > my dotage, (heh) but rather to double down and dive back > in. > > The project of which I speak is FarmOS > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCOqg5iH6fM > > Take a look, give me some feedback, if there is interest, > I'll migrate some or all of this list into a new > community. > > Thanks kindly for your attention in this matter; > > --chipper > ___ > Sustainablelorgbiofuel mailing list > Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org > http://lists.eruditium.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel > -- "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world; indeed, it's the only thing that ever has." Margaret Mead ___ Sustainablelorgbiofuel mailing list Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org http://lists.eruditium.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel ___ Sustainablelorgbiofuel mailing list Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org http://lists.eruditium.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel
Re: [Biofuel] Cuphea Oil seed
Hello Jan, Keith, and all, Does anyone have any web links or publications on the cuphea? Any farmers growing information, yields, etc.? Tony --- On Sun, 1/24/10, Jan Warnqvist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From: Jan Warnqvist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Cuphea Oil seed To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Date: Sunday, January 24, 2010, 2:23 PM Hello Keith. Opposite your opinion, I am quite optimistic concerning the relation of cold properties/cetane number of the biodiesel. Palm oil, lard, or coconut oil do not have cloud points of -9 to -10oC. For instance, Palm oil biodiesel has a CFPP of +6 - +8oC and a cetane number of around 60. The cloud point is always higher than the CFPP, and the cloud point means less when it comes to driveability, especially since most additives when treating rape seed methyl ester can accomplish an improvement with 10o or more when it comes to the CFPP value. So I still find Cuphea oil biodiesel interesting. Jan W - Original Message - From: "Keith Addison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 7:41 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Cuphea Oil seed > Hello Jan > >>Hello all. The Cuphea oil is similar to coconut oil with an iodine value >>of >>approx 17. This confirms its high content of saturated fatty acids, should >>as biodiesel create a nice cetane number. The catch could be the biodiesel >>final boiling point which should turn out scientifically lower that 350oC. >>Good or bad ? It would be nice to judge that from a report on the >>properties of Cuphea oil biodiesel. > > The other catch is the cloud point, I'm not sure I believe the report > I quoted that it's -9 to -10 deg C, especially not as you confirm the > low IV of 17. More likely it starts to gel as soon as the weather > gets cool, same as palm oil, coconut oil, lard, etc. If it does, then > one wonders why it's being promoted in the US as a substitute for > palm oil. Hot tip: invest all your bucks and your grandmother's life > savings in US companies making pour-point depressants. > > Ref. Iodine Values > <http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_yield.html#iodine> > > Further catch is that it's an awkward crop to process. The seeds are > tiny, and they tend to shatter. Cuphea isn't really domesticated yet, > it's more like a wild weed. > > Actually the biodiesel is just a sideshow, the main attraction is the > caprylic and lauric acid, valuable industrial feedstocks, cloud point > irrelevant. > > Industry enthusiasm, hm. In the US that means either B20 or B5, maybe > a low cloud point doesn't matter if you're going to mix it with 80% > or 95% petrodiesel. > > Best > > Keith > > >>Jan W >>- Original Message - >>From: "Keith Addison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>To: >>Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 6:31 PM >>Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Cuphea Oil seed >> >> >>> Hi Tony >>> >>> It should be okay for biodiesel, it's been raising quite a lot of >>> enthusiasm in the industry in the US, but maybe that just means it's >>> better than soy. It's supposed to be similar to palm oil and coconut >>> oil (high caprylic and lauric acid content), yet the cloud point is >> > low, -9 to -10 deg C. I didn't find an Iodine Value for it though. >>> >>> HTH - best >>> >>> Keith >>> >>> >>>>Hello List, >>>>Has anyone used cuphea for bio-fuel? If yes, what were the results? >>>>Any additional information is appreciated. >>>> >>>>Thanks >>>> >>>>Tony Marzolino >>>> >>>>3624 Wilson Creek Rd, Berkshire, NY 13736 >>>> >> >>http://www.marzfarm.com/ > > > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 > messages): > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20100125/563ed331/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Cuphea Oil seed
Hello List, Has anyone used cuphea for bio-fuel? If yes, what were the results? Any additional information is appreciated. Thanks Tony Marzolino 3624 Wilson Creek Rd, Berkshire, NY 13736 http://www.marzfarm.com/ -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20100121/32da62f3/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] New el cheapo VW commuter car
Hello All - I assume, like all the fuel efficient diesels, this car will NOT be available in the USA. Can anyone confirm? Thanks Tony Marzolino Berkshire, NY --- On Tue, 5/12/09, Dave Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From: Dave Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [Biofuel] New el cheapo VW commuter car To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Date: Tuesday, May 12, 2009, 7:03 AM Very interesting. Please send me a pic. Thanks in advance. Dave David Roberts / Sales Associate WL Gore/ Jersey Shore 610-287-0223/ph 610-506-0223/cell 610-287-1887/fax "bmolloy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/11/2009 09:03 PM Please respond to sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org To cc Subject [Biofuel] New el cheapo VW commuter car Has anyone heard of the new single seat VW? This is not a toy, not a concept car. It is a fully developed, single-seat car in a highly aerodynamic tear-shaped, road-proven and very practical commuter vehicle format. The new Veedub will go on sale in Shanghai in 2010. Designed to cruise at 100-120 Km/Hr it has an incredible consumption of 0.99litre/100Km (258 miles/gallon), thus in terms of fuel bettering the electric car. The vehicle took three years from conception to production. The company is headquartered in Hamburg, Germany. The car will sell for 4000 yuan, equivalent to US$600. Gas tank capacity 1.7 gallons;Speed 62-74.6 Miles/hour; Fuel efficiency 258 miles/gallon; travel distance with a full tank 404 miles. I have pics which show a very impressive, aerodynamically efficient vehicle, not at all cheap in appearance. Sadly can't post them here due to the site's formatting restrictions but will supply to anyone who emails me directly. Regards, Bob. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20090512/bc3fb5b7/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20090512/4f9b8c1a/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20090512/89030ced/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Meet the Economist Who Thinks We're Doomed
Hello Keith - Thanks for the article, but Mr. Roubini is not the only one warning of imminent dangers in the US economy. One (David Walker formally from GAO) was even part of the US government - See link below. http://www.pgpf.org/ Tony Marzolino Berkshire NY --- On Mon, 8/18/08, Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From: Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [Biofuel] Meet the Economist Who Thinks We're Doomed To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Date: Monday, August 18, 2008, 1:08 PM Meet the Economist Who Thinks We're Doomed By Stephen Mihm, The New York Times Posted on August 18, 2008, Printed on August 18, 2008 http://www.alternet.org/story/95375/ On Sept. 7, 2006, Nouriel Roubini, an economics professor at New York University, stood before an audience of economists at the International Monetary Fund and announced that a crisis was brewing. In the coming months and years, he warned, the United States was likely to face a once-in-a-lifetime housing bust, an oil shock, sharply declining consumer confidence and, ultimately, a deep recession. He laid out a bleak sequence of events: homeowners defaulting on mortgages, trillions of dollars of mortgage-backed securities unraveling worldwide and the global financial system shuddering to a halt. These developments, he went on, could cripple or destroy hedge funds, investment banks and other major financial institutions like Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. The audience seemed skeptical, even dismissive. As Roubini stepped down from the lectern after his talk, the moderator of the event quipped, "I think perhaps we will need a stiff drink after that." People laughed -- and not without reason. At the time, unemployment and inflation remained low, and the economy, while weak, was still growing, despite rising oil prices and a softening housing market. And then there was the espouser of doom himself: Roubini was known to be a perpetual pessimist, what economists call a "permabear." When the economist Anirvan Banerji delivered his response to Roubini's talk, he noted that Roubini's predictions did not make use of mathematical models and dismissed his hunches as those of a career naysayer. But Roubini was soon vindicated. In the year that followed, subprime lenders began entering bankruptcy, hedge funds began going under and the stock market plunged. There was declining employment, a deteriorating dollar, ever-increasing evidence of a huge housing bust and a growing air of panic in financial markets as the credit crisis deepened. By late summer, the Federal Reserve was rushing to the rescue, making the first of many unorthodox interventions in the economy, including cutting the lending rate by 50 basis points and buying up tens of billions of dollars in mortgage-backed securities. When Roubini returned to the I.M.F. last September, he delivered a second talk, predicting a growing crisis of solvency that would infect every sector of the financial system. This time, no one laughed. "He sounded like a madman in 2006," recalls the I.M.F. economist Prakash Loungani, who invited Roubini on both occasions. "He was a prophet when he returned in 2007." Over the past year, whenever optimists have declared the worst of the economic crisis behind us, Roubini has countered with steadfast pessimism. In February, when the conventional wisdom held that the venerable investment firms of Wall Street would weather the crisis, Roubini warned that one or more of them would go "belly up" -- and six weeks later, Bear Stearns collapsed. Following the Fed's further extraordinary actions in the spring -- including making lines of credit available to selected investment banks and brokerage houses -- many economists made note of the ensuing economic rally and proclaimed the credit crisis over and a recession averted. Roubini, who dismissed the rally as nothing more than a "delusional complacency" encouraged by a "bunch of self-serving spinmasters," stuck to his script of "nightmare" events: waves of corporate bankrupticies, collapses in markets like commercial real estate and municipal bonds and, most alarming, the possible bankruptcy of a large regional or national bank that would trigger a panic by depositors. Not all of these developments have come to pass (and perhaps never will), but the demise last month of the California bank IndyMac -- one of the largest such failures in U.S. history -- drew only more attention to Roubini's seeming prescience. As a result, Roubini, a respected but formerly obscure academic, has become a major figure in the public debate about the economy: the seer who saw it coming. He has been summoned to speak before Congress, the Council on Foreign Relations and the World Economic Forum at Davos. He is now a sought-after adviser, spending much of his time shut
[Biofuel] Bio-diesel replacing Home Heating Oil
Hello List, Is anyone using BD to replace #2 home heating oil? If yes, where there any modifications to the finance? Are you using a mixture (ex. B50) or 100%. Is the tank located inside the structure or outside? If outside any modifications to prevent gelling? We did some very preliminary testings using B50 and found the output to be approx the same as #2. But the nozzle needed to be cleaned first. Any comments are greatly appreciated. Thanks, Tony Marzolino Berkshire, NY - You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20080406/a8d37340/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Before You Vote for Hillary Clinton Read This
Hello Keith, Thanks for the post. I absolutely agree that the current parties or candidates are NOT the answer nor will they offer or implement any meaningful change.. However, I believe change is on the menu and there are other solutions. Mike Bloomberg is one option and even if he does not run, he is influencing the national debate. There are many Internet sties concerning this topic. I have listed just two. http://www.runmikerun.com/ http://www.runmikebloomberg.com/ Also the GAO (General Accounting Office) has some GREAT publications on the current and future financial crisis facing this country. Our time is running short. Two excellent GAO reports are listed below. http://www.gao.gov/cghome/d08489cg.pdf http://www.gao.gov/cghome/d08490cg.pdf This and much else (i.e. declining dollar, housing crisis, US war, etc) will force change. Hopefully. Regards, Tony Marzolino Berkshire, NY Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Keith Addison wrote: IMHO it's worth taking another, good, long, hard-eyed look at the Clinton presidency these days, just for the sake of a little perspective. Not much different from GW Bush, essentially the same, but with gloves on, not so in-your-face, less extreme. Not the solution. I'm not saying it's Hillary Clinton who's not the solution, it's the Other Business Party as a whole that's not the solution. It's time for change, and it's not on the menu. "If voting worked it would be illegal." (British graffiti, 1980s.) Best Keith - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20080209/6d7a1cfb/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] veg oil crop info
Hello Ken, Thanks for the post and link. Can you please expand on the pumpkins as a bio-fuel source? Are other vegetables of like kind in the same category as possible candidates (i.e. squash, etc.)? Thanks Tony Marzolino Ken Provost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Jan 15, 2008, at 5:08 AM, Thomas Kelly wrote: > > Which crop for the NE USA? > Cornell University Extension grew rapeseed on an > experimental plot in Poughkeepsie, NY. (NE USA). > Although they successfully grew, dried the plant and > pressed oil, I was told that there is "resistance" to growing > rapeseed in the NE USA because it is typically dried in > "windrows" for 1 to 2 weeks...The seeds are also > apparently small... Other problems with rape are that the seedcake can be toxic to some animals, and many high-producing varieties are hybrids, which keeps the farmer in thrall to the big breeders (Monsanto, ADM, etc). Sunflower and safflower are good yield per acre, and both are available in open pollinated varieties. Pumpkins can be good, and you can use the pumpkin for food! Check out http://www.hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/duke_energy/dukeindex.html for a lot of good info on energy crops, including many oilseeds. -K ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20080117/a93e9602/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Once is enough! - Explanation......
Keith, I apologize. I was on the road, using an air card and hit a low spot. In addition, Yahoo is not the most reliable mail system. It tells you at one point items were not sent, but actually were..OK Thanks.. Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Why post it three times Tony? Sheer clutter in people's in-boxes and - permanently - in the list archives. :-( Please be more careful! Keith Addison Journey to Forever KYOTO Pref., Japan http://journeytoforever.org/ Biofuel list owner >Hello Z - I am planning to try bio-diesel in my WV later this week >with a B30. I will keep you posted. In addition, I am looking >forward to trying it on our farm tractors (Ford 7600 and IH 826). I >could always use more power from both. > > Hello Tim - Currently, based on list advise, I think our region is >too cold to do anything but a B30 for now. In the spring, I am >looking forward to B100 blends. > > Thanks, > Tony Marzolino > Berksire, NY 13736 > > In my truck (old mitisubishi mighty max), a B20 or higher blend runs >alot better than diesel, as long as you stay away from gelling. And, >of course, the hotter the engine, the better it runs. But, the colder >the outdoor temp, the more power I have too -- because of air density >I think. On my VW NA diesel it's even more noticeable, perhaps >because of the lack of the turbo -- on a 100F day it will struggle up ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ - Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20071007/cccbe7ee/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Engine Temperature and BioDiesel
Hello Z - I am planning to try bio-diesel in my WV later this week with a B30. I will keep you posted. In addition, I am looking forward to trying it on our farm tractors (Ford 7600 and IH 826). I could always use more power from both. Hello Tim - Currently, based on list advise, I think our region is too cold to do anything but a B30 for now. In the spring, I am looking forward to B100 blends. Thanks, Tony Marzolino Berksire, NY 13736 In my truck (old mitisubishi mighty max), a B20 or higher blend runs alot better than diesel, as long as you stay away from gelling. And, of course, the hotter the engine, the better it runs. But, the colder the outdoor temp, the more power I have too -- because of air density I think. On my VW NA diesel it's even more noticeable, perhaps because of the lack of the turbo -- on a 100F day it will struggle up some hills in 2nd gear, that it zooms up in 3rd gear on a 35F day. It's rather strange... on the truck the engine really has to be warmed up to get power out of it... but the VW once you get it started, give it 30 seconds, and away you go on close to full power. Can't figure that out. Z On 10/6/07, Tim Brockhoff wrote: > I have a 2005 Dodge Cummins diesel. Hav eyou ran B99 or any other blends? > Have you had to make any modifications to the engine? Thanks! > - Original Message - > From: "Tony Marzolino" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 6:40 PM > Subject: [Biofuel] Engine Temperature and BioDiesel > > > > Hello List, > > When using a blended bio-diesel (say B30 or any blend) does engine temp. > > effect performance? With the Cummings 5.9 diesel, it seems that the > > hotter the day and warmer the engine the better the truck runs. > > > > With a B30 blend, there was much better engine performance than running > > straight diesel. Have other members noticed a difference too? > > > > Thanks > > Tony Marzolino > > > > > > - > > Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. > > Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. > > -- next part -- > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > > URL: /pipermail/attachments/20071003/f9f47df2/attachment.html > > ___ > > Biofuel mailing list > > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > > http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > > > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 > > messages): > > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > > > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ - Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20071007/69c9e79f/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Engine Temperature and BioDiesel
Hello Z - I am planning to try bio-diesel in my WV later this week with a B30. I will keep you posted. In addition, I am looking forward to trying it on our farm tractors (Ford 7600 and IH 826). I could always use more power from both. Hello Tim - Currently, based on list advise, I think our region is too cold to do anything but a B30 for now. In the spring, I am looking forward to B100 blends. Thanks, Tony Marzolino Berksire, NY 13736 In my truck (old mitisubishi mighty max), a B20 or higher blend runs alot better than diesel, as long as you stay away from gelling. And, of course, the hotter the engine, the better it runs. But, the colder the outdoor temp, the more power I have too -- because of air density I think. On my VW NA diesel it's even more noticeable, perhaps because of the lack of the turbo -- on a 100F day it will struggle up some hills in 2nd gear, that it zooms up in 3rd gear on a 35F day. It's rather strange... on the truck the engine really has to be warmed up to get power out of it... but the VW once you get it started, give it 30 seconds, and away you go on close to full power. Can't figure that out. Z On 10/6/07, Tim Brockhoff wrote: > I have a 2005 Dodge Cummins diesel. Hav eyou ran B99 or any other blends? > Have you had to make any modifications to the engine? Thanks! > - Original Message - > From: "Tony Marzolino" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 6:40 PM > Subject: [Biofuel] Engine Temperature and BioDiesel > > > > Hello List, > > When using a blended bio-diesel (say B30 or any blend) does engine temp. > > effect performance? With the Cummings 5.9 diesel, it seems that the > > hotter the day and warmer the engine the better the truck runs. > > > > With a B30 blend, there was much better engine performance than running > > straight diesel. Have other members noticed a difference too? > > > > Thanks > > Tony Marzolino > > > > > > - > > Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. > > Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. > > -- next part -- > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > > URL: /pipermail/attachments/20071003/f9f47df2/attachment.html > > ___ > > Biofuel mailing list > > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > > http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > > > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 > > messages): > > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > > > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ - Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20071007/8b63a400/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Engine Temperature and BioDiesel
Hello Z - I am planning to try bio-diesel in my WV later this week with a B30. I will keep you posted. In addition, I am looking forward to trying it on our farm tractors (Ford 7600 and IH 826). I could always use more power from both. Hello Tim - Currently, based on list advise, I think our region is too cold to do anything but a B30 for now. In the spring, I am looking forward to B100 blends. Thanks, Tony Marzolino Berksire, NY 13736 In my truck (old mitisubishi mighty max), a B20 or higher blend runs alot better than diesel, as long as you stay away from gelling. And, of course, the hotter the engine, the better it runs. But, the colder the outdoor temp, the more power I have too -- because of air density I think. On my VW NA diesel it's even more noticeable, perhaps because of the lack of the turbo -- on a 100F day it will struggle up some hills in 2nd gear, that it zooms up in 3rd gear on a 35F day. It's rather strange... on the truck the engine really has to be warmed up to get power out of it... but the VW once you get it started, give it 30 seconds, and away you go on close to full power. Can't figure that out. Z On 10/6/07, Tim Brockhoff wrote: > I have a 2005 Dodge Cummins diesel. Hav eyou ran B99 or any other blends? > Have you had to make any modifications to the engine? Thanks! > - Original Message - > From: "Tony Marzolino" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 6:40 PM > Subject: [Biofuel] Engine Temperature and BioDiesel > > > > Hello List, > > When using a blended bio-diesel (say B30 or any blend) does engine temp. > > effect performance? With the Cummings 5.9 diesel, it seems that the > > hotter the day and warmer the engine the better the truck runs. > > > > With a B30 blend, there was much better engine performance than running > > straight diesel. Have other members noticed a difference too? > > > > Thanks > > Tony Marzolino > > > > > > - > > Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. > > Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. > > -- next part -- > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > > URL: /pipermail/attachments/20071003/f9f47df2/attachment.html > > ___ > > Biofuel mailing list > > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > > http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > > > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 > > messages): > > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > > > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ - Don't let your dream ride pass you by.Make it a reality with Yahoo! Autos. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20071007/3452eda4/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Engine Temperature and BioDiesel
Hello List, When using a blended bio-diesel (say B30 or any blend) does engine temp. effect performance? With the Cummings 5.9 diesel, it seems that the hotter the day and warmer the engine the better the truck runs. With a B30 blend, there was much better engine performance than running straight diesel. Have other members noticed a difference too? Thanks Tony Marzolino - Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20071004/c8db495c/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Engine Temperature and BioDiesel
Hello List, When using a blended bio-diesel (say B30 or any blend) does engine temp. effect performance? With the Cummings 5.9 diesel, it seems that the hotter the day and warmer the engine the better the truck runs. With a B30 blend, there was much better engine performance than running straight diesel. Have other members noticed a difference too? Thanks Tony Marzolino - Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20071003/f9f47df2/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Oilseed and Biodiesel Production Workshop
FYI - Regarding the upcoming conference. I received it via a farm web site e-mail. I thought it might interest some. Tony Marzolino Oilseed and Biodiesel Production Workshop October 30-31, 2007 Polson and Pablo, Montana This Oilseeds for Fuel, Feed, and the Future workshop is designed for Montana farmers interested in learning more about how to produce and use biodiesel or how to raise oilseed crops. Topics that will be covered include the economics of oilseed production, crushing and processing; biodiesel quality issues; small scale and commercial biodiesel production and market trends in oilseeds and co-products. The National Center for Appropriate Technology joins several other sponsors in presenting this workshop. http://www.ncat.org/oilseeds.html#workshop - Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos & more. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20070927/549869e7/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Volkswagon Rabbit and Cummings 5.9 Diesel
Hello List, I just purchased a 1984 Rabbit. Also a friend has a 1989 Dodge with a 5.9 turbo diesel Cummings engine. Are they any modification needed to these cars before running bio-diesel? We live in upstate NY, so I assume B100 would not work in the winter. What is a suggested mixture (i.e. B75 or B50)? Thanks, Tony Marzolino - Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20070925/4b18a50c/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] US House may prevent states from protecting food supply
Hello Keith and List, Thanks for the post. Actually this is really good news. As oil costs continue to rise and the US corp ag industry begins to die - MOST food will go back to being LOCAL In the Northeast, where I live, there is already a high demand for local foods of all types. Language listed below will only intensify the demand. Have a great day Tony Marzolino Berkshire NY Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: http://environmentalcommons.org/federal-preemption-2007.html Environmental Commons: Legislation Tracker Follows State Food Bills US House may prevent states from protecting food supply by Britt Bailey Monday May 28th, 2007 9:03 AM The United States House of Representatives Committee on Agriculture has begun the process of writing the 2007 Farm Bill. Of grave concern is language added and approved by the Subcommittee on Livestock, Dairy and Poultry that preempts state restrictions of foods or agricultural products deregulated by the USDA. House Subcommittee Approves Language Preempting State & Local Restriction of Genetically Modified Organisms (GMOs) and Other Questionable Foods The United States House of Representatives Committee on Agriculture has begun the process of writing the 2007 Farm Bill. Of grave concern is language added and approved by the Subcommittee on Livestock, Dairy and Poultry that preempts state restrictions of foods or agricultural products deregulated by the USDA. The added language reads, "no State or locality shall make any law prohibiting the use in commerce of an article that the Secretary of Agriculture has inspected and passed; or determined to be of non-regulated status." The preemption language has been traced to Iowa Representative and Subcommittee Chair, Leonard Boswell. His intention is to prohibit state and local policies banning the sale of products approved by USDA and other regulatory agencies. The broad scope of the language would affect state and local prohibitions on the cultivation of genetically modified crops, bans on the sale of rBGH milk, and the outlawing of foie gras for starters. At a time of pervasive food contamination and consumer displeasure with the social, ethical, and environmental aspects of food processes and production, the addition of a few lines tucked into an immense bill could weaken carefully adopted consumer protections. If the preemption language is adopted into the final Farm Bill, some of the state laws that may be affected include: Genetically Modified Foods: California and Arkansas are currently debating prohibitions on the growing GMO rice. The major rice growing states are concerned after the 2006 announcement that several un-approved varieties of engineered rice contaminated rice crops resulting in major financial losses for US farmers. Four California counties and two cities have adopted prohibitions on the growing of genetically modified crops in order to protect their organic and conventional foods. rBGH Milk: In 2006, Vermont's Agricultural Secretary, Steve Kerr, urged dairy farmers to stop using rBGH, or recombinant bovine growth hormone, in dairy cows. In addition, New York City is in the process of considering a ban on the sale of rBGH milk. Foie Gras: On grounds of inhumane treatment, the City of Chicago banned the sale of foie gras in restaurants. California has banned the force-feeding of birds to produce the product, ending the practice by 2012. The preemption language raises concerns that states would be barred from taking action when a food safety threats arise. For example, states could be barred from calling for recalls or prohibiting the sale of tainted meats, peanut butter, or other foods that have passed USDA inspection. Advocates favoring the preemption language include United Egg Producers, National Pork Producers, National Milk Producers Federation, and the National Cattleman's Beef Association. The Farm Bill will be voted on by the House Committee on Agriculture before going to the House floor and then on to the Senate. To take action to oppose this disastrous preemption language, send a letter and/or contact: 1. The House Agricultural Committee, agriculture [at] mail.house.gov. 2. Your House Representative, http://www.house.gov/writerep/ 3. Your Senator, http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm Stay updated about the 2007 Farm Bill as it moves through the House of Representatives, http://agriculture.house.gov/inside/2007FarmBill.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -
Re: [Biofuel] 100 MPG vehicle contest
Hello List - Listed below is a site that I heard was producing a vehicle with 100+ mpg. It is in Europe and I believe they were marketing to the European and Asian markets. Does anyone have additional information to share? http://www.loremo.com/ Thanks Tony Marzolino Berkshire NY Dawie Coetzee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: They still don't get it. How about, rather, a contest for a vehicle that answers these requirements: "methods and equipment which are - cheap enough that they are accessible to virtually everyone; - suitable for small-scale application; and - compatible with mans need for creativity. Out of these three characteristics is born non-violence and a relationship of man to nature which guarantees permanence. If only one of these three is neglected, things are bound to go wrong. (E F Schumacher, Small Is Beautiful) I would say that the first point applies to the methods of manufacture more than the vehicle itself. One can add to that, 4. Suitability for broader systems of fuels, roads, etc. in which the automobile does not play an important role; and 5. Suitability for very limited use over a very long product life, i.e. a vehicle that still makes sense to own if one is only going to use it some twenty times a year, which won't deteriorate unduly if left standing for long periods, which is not dependent on the continued existence of the original manufacturer for repairs, etc. The result would be very different indeed. -Dawie - Original Message From: Svenne Larsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, 3 April, 2007 4:07:34 PM Subject: [Biofuel] 100 MPG vehicle contest http://auto.xprize.org/news/4_02_07.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ - New Yahoo! Mail is the ultimate force in competitive emailing. Find out more at the Yahoo! Mail Championships. Plus: play games and win prizes.___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ - Don't get soaked. Take a quick peek at the forecast with theYahoo! Search weather shortcut.___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] A story from Grist Magazine - Walmart
Hello Dave - Good post. Hello List - I am a part of several Internet list and at least weekly a story about Wal-Mart appears, usually negative. Fixing Wal-Mart is easy - STOP SHOPPING THERE. That's it... Yes it that simple. I guarantee this will work...Smile. Have a great day all. Tony Marzolino Berkshire NY Dawie Coetzee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: http://www.grist.org/comments/soapbox/2007/03/28/mitchell/index.html?source=friend - What kind of emailer are you? Find out today - get a free analysis of your email personality. Take the quiz at the Yahoo! Mail Championship.___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ - Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games.___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Pellet fuel options
Has anyone researched the using grass as a fuel (i.e. in pellets or blocks)? If yes, can you please post? Great list DaveThanks Tony Marzolino[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Right... did some searches and found some pellet mills that may be purchased:http://www.alibaba.com/productsearch/Pellet_Mill.htmlOf course, these are just examples. A little more searching may turn up a manual or semi-automated process/design. You figure, rabbit feed is in the same form so that may also be an outlet for pellet producing.-dave___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Sponsored Link Degrees online in as fast as 1 Yr - MBA, Bachelor's, Master's, Associate - Click now to apply___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] was..was...Major Problems Of Surviving Peak Oil - Requesting Sources
Mark - Could you please state your sources for the information supplied below in your e-mail?Tallex - I agree, but would really appreciate where this information is coming from.Thanks, Tony MarzolinoAltEnergyNetwork <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Thanks so much Darryl for giving Mark Thompson a reality check,there are still far too many that think like him and who don't have a cluehow serious the situation is becoming. Sad.regardstallex> ---Original Message---> From: M&K DuPree > Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Major Problems Of Surviving Peak Oil> Sent: 20 Oct '06 12:07> > See Stephen Leeb's The Coming Economic Collapse: How You Can Thrive When> Oil Costs $200 a Barrel. Leeb would have us buying stocks in various> companies because that's his business. The points he makes about why the> price of oil must rise to levels far beyond we know today are my reason> for directing our attention to the book. It really does come down to a> massive population growing exponentially and an economic model promoted> by the USA. Bottom line is, we're screwed, at least as far as the world> as we've known it run on oil is concerned. Maybe all the JTF List could> put our money, talents, and lives together on some remote island or> somewhere in New Zealand and start something that might survive through> the coming chaos and become a beacon of hope to the world. Use the JTF> Credo as our basis for community life. I'm serious! What, aint gonna> happen??? Ah well, to unquote something the bard didn't say, all's not> well that doesn't end well. Ah well... Mike DuPree> > > - Original Message -> > From: <[LINK: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]>> > To: <[LINK: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> biofuel@sustainablelists.org>> > Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 9:59 PM> > Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Major Problems Of Surviving Peak Oil> > > > Thompson, Mark L. (PNB R&D) wrote:> >> What is all this "Peak Oil" end of the world garbage.> >> > Oil is a finite resource. All that remains to debate is when we will> "run> > out" (and what the definition of that is). I think things get ugly> once> > core demand exceeds production on a world scale. Personally, I expect> > that within my lifetime. I think affordability will be a factor long> > before oil is exhausted in a technical sense.> >> > I trust you have read Deffeyes, Hubbert, ASPO, Simmons, etc. and have> > evidence that debunks them.> >> >>> >> We have many decades if not 100+ years of conventional oil left.> >> > Emmm, actually North America has about 5 years of conventional oil> left,> > if it were not for imports. (6 if you include ANWR.) Does your> forecast> > allow for increasing and accelerating rates of consumption year over> year?> > Or does it assume flat consumption into the future, like the optimistic> > government forecasts?> >> >> We have huge amounts of Tar Sands (1.7 Trillion barrels) to exploit.> >> > Actually, I doubt we can afford to do that. The groundwater and> natural> > gas consumed in that processing will run out first. If we use oil from> > the oil sands to make more oil from the oil sands, my understanding is> > that this is a losing proposition on an EROEI basis based on the> exising> > process and facilities (from oil sand to refined consumer product).> >> >> We have potential 1000's of years worth of Methane-Hydrates available.> >> > For which we currently do not have a viable technology in place as yet> to> > harvest them. The implications of releasing that much methane into the> > environment (leakage, losses, accidents), or even the carbon dioxide> > resulting from using it do not bode well for habitability of the planet> > for humans in the long term. Perhaps you plan to use this methane to> > support the production of oil from the oil sands.> >> >> Estimated to be greater than twice the world total of oil.> >> We have almost limitless Nuclear energy potential through the use of> >> Breeder, Light water and Heavy water reactors.> >> > And no solutions in place on how to deal with the spent fuel on a> > permanent basis, well, other than putting them into weapons, be they> > nuclear weapons, depleted uranium in artillery shells, or dirty bombs.> > Even France is having second thoughts about the breeder cycle.> >> >> Not to mention the other - Wind - Water - Solar - BioFuels - etc.> >> > Now we're getting to sustainable solutions.> >> >> All of which are up and coming. The higher energy cost go up the more> >> pressure there will be on "Alternate" sources.> >> > Do you think we have enough time to implement these solutions on a mass> > scale before oil and natural gas shortages, even intermittent ones, are> > disrupting the technological infrastructure that underpins western> > "civilization"? Alberta has just put a road-block in front of further> > wind development in t
Re: [Biofuel] Have You Hugged Your Hummer Today?
Hello Will, Great idea. In fact, I believe WV actually makes one, but it is not available in the US and gas mileage around 90. Can anyone verify this? Thanks, Tony Marzolino Will Kelleher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Why not combine the best of both and create a diesel hybrid? Better city AND highway mileage! On 7/30/06, robert and benita rabello < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Andrew Lowe wrote: I can remember seeing an episode of the English show Top Gear,www.bbc.co.uk/topgear where the consumption of hybrids was mentioned. One of the presenters said that he drove a hybrid from point A to point B and got about40-45 miles/gallon. He subsequently drove a similar sized diesel over the sameroute and got a consumption of about 50-55 miles/gallon. n.b. Figures are frommemory and could be a bit rubbery but the jist of the comment was that currenttechnology diesels can, and do, get better consumption than hybrids. A diesel WILL outperform a gasoline hybrid in overall fuel economy. But when we drive around town, there are times when we're using NO fuel at all, which means we're not putting anything into the air either. We burn NO fuel while sitting at a light. A diesel can't do that. A lot of this discussion is just picking nits, but I'd really like to see MORE hybrids and MORE diesels on the road. It shouldn't be an "either / or" thing.robert luis rabello"The Edge of Justice"Adventure for Your Mindhttp://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messengers low PC-to-Phone call rates.___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] EV is not dead
Hey Guys - These are great, but once again..NO prices and NO availability? Are there any REAL options available for US consumers? Thanks, Tony Marzolinodoug swanson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: And then there's Tesla Motors, with a convertible!http://www.teslamotors.com/index.php?js_enabled=1doug swansonJoe Street wrote:>Yy!>>http://news.en.autos.sympatico.msn.ca/article.aspx?cp-documentid=673300>>Joe>>>___>Biofuel mailing list>Biofuel@sustainablelists.org>http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org>>Biofuel at Journey to Forever:>http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html>>Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):>http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/>>> >-- Contentment comes not from having more, but from wanting less.* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *This email is constructed entirely with OpenSource Software.No Microsoft databits have been incorporated herein.All existing databits have been constructed from recycled databits. ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less.___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Biodiesel is mandatory in Illinois
This is GREAT news. I hope other states/communities will shortly follow in the US. Tony Marzolino"D. Mindock" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >From the Illinois League of Conservation Voters latest e-newsletter. Peace, D. MindockAs of July 1st , all state, municipal, or county governments, school districts, public or community colleges or universities, and mass transit agencies in the state of Illinois are required to fuel all of their diesel vehicles with a biodiesel blend of at least 2% (when refueling takes place at a bulk central facility).WHY SWITCH TO BIODIESEL?Biodiesel is a completely renewable energy source; as long as we can grow vegetables, we can make more! The use of biodiesel:a.. drastically reduces the release of pollutants through vehicle omissions: B100 (100% biodiesel) fuel emissions contain 47% less carbon monoxide than diesel emissions (U.S. Dept. of Energy)b.. reduces the carcinogenicity of vehicle fuel by 20% for a B20 (20%) biodiesel blend (U.S. Dept. of Energy)c.. and since biodiesel is non-toxic, replacing petroleum with biodiesel reduces groundwater contamination and the risk of ecological disasters resulting from petroleum spills.Not only is biodiesel good for the environment, it's good for the Illinois economy . In the U.S., biodiesel is most often produced from soybean oil. Since Illinois is the leading soybean-producing state in the U.S., buying biodiesel means buying from Illinois farmers.COMMUNITY CORNERCongratulations Decatur, Illinois for switching to 2% biodiesel! Communities and companies that have made the switch to biodiesel have realized the benefits described above - and some they didn't even expect. When the town of Decatur, Illinois switched all its city buses and transit department transport vehicles to B2 in April of this year, officials expected added costs. Instead, mass transit chief Paul McChancy reported net savings due to reduced maintenance costs and increased fuel efficiency as the B2 blend burned cleaner than regular diesel and acted as a lubricant (Mike Frazier, Decatur Herald & Review). ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Groups are talking. Were listening. Check out the handy changes to Yahoo! Groups. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] was..smart car coming to US in 2008
Did anyone respond to the questions below? ThanksTony Marzolino <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hello All,All this size discussion is nice, but what about price??? Does anyone know? And will the diesel be offered in the US market? Thanks,Tony MarzolinoJohn Markham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Don't write off the Smart car on size or refinement.I have driven one and in the city and its great for parking, the frontseats have more room than a Neon and it has all the bells and whistles ofit's bigger brothers. Having a Mercedes motor cycle engine means that it'sgas mileage put's you back under a dollar a gallon!John Markham EMail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of AltEnergyNetworkSent: 02 July 2006 08:15To: biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSubject: [Biofuel] was..smart car coming to US in 2008That's great Haken, so if they already have a four seater,it is not to much of a stretch to do a minivan version as well and stillbe considered a smart car?Also, I've seen the two seater and while really cool, there is no wayyou are going to fit 2 - 250 pound people side by side, they would look likecircus clowns stuffed into the seats.People want utility in their vehicles and still be as efficient as possible.tallexSmart Car Coming to US in 2008 Launch by DaimlerChrysler> >> >< http://www.alternate-energy.net/N/news.php?detail=n1151818384.news >> >> ---Original Message---> From: Hakan Falk > Subject: Re: [Biofuel] smart car coming to US in 2008> Sent: 02 Jul '06 06:56> > > They do have a 4 seater model already, it is selling in Europe for> quite a while.> > Hakan> > > At 08:06 02/07/2006, you wrote:> > >Great idea but I think that they better make a four seater for the> >US market. Smart cars have been out for about a year in Canada and> >while really cool, I have a hard time> >imagining 2 average Americans in one ;) LOL,> >> >regards> >tallex> >> >Smart Car Coming to US in 2008 Launch by DaimlerChrysler> >> >< http://www.alternate-energy.net/N/news.php?detail=n1151818384.news >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Get your daily alternative energy news> >> >Alternate Energy Resource Network> > 1000+ news sources-resources> > updated daily> >> >http://www.alternate-energy.net> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Next Generation Grid> >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/next_generation_grid/> >> >> >Tomorrow-energy> >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tomorrow-energy/> >> >> >Alternative Energy Politics> >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Alternative_Energy_Politics/> >> >> >> >> >___> >Biofuel mailing list> >Biofuel@sustainablelists.org>>http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org> >> >Biofuel at Journey to Forever:> >http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html> >> >Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000messages):> >http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/> > > > ___> Biofuel mailing list> Biofuel@sustainablelists.org> http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org> > Biofuel at Journey to Forever:> http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html> > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000messages):> http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/> > ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Sneak preview the MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt from "us.rd.yahoo.com" claiming to be all-new Yahoo.com. It's not radically different. Just radically better. Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] was..smart car coming to US in 2008
Hello All, All this size discussion is nice, but what about price??? Does anyone know? And will the diesel be offered in the US market? Thanks, Tony MarzolinoJohn Markham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Don't write off the Smart car on size or refinement.I have driven one and in the city and its great for parking, the frontseats have more room than a Neon and it has all the bells and whistles ofit's bigger brothers. Having a Mercedes motor cycle engine means that it'sgas mileage put's you back under a dollar a gallon!John Markham EMail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of AltEnergyNetworkSent: 02 July 2006 08:15To: biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSubject: [Biofuel] was..smart car coming to US in 2008That's great Haken, so if they already have a four seater, it is not to much of a stretch to do a minivan version as well and still be considered a smart car?Also, I've seen the two seater and while really cool, there is no wayyou are going to fit 2 - 250 pound people side by side, they would look likecircus clowns stuffed into the seats.People want utility in their vehicles and still be as efficient as possible.tallexSmart Car Coming to US in 2008 Launch by DaimlerChrysler> >> >< http://www.alternate-energy.net/N/news.php?detail=n1151818384.news >> >> ---Original Message---> From: Hakan Falk > Subject: Re: [Biofuel] smart car coming to US in 2008> Sent: 02 Jul '06 06:56> > > They do have a 4 seater model already, it is selling in Europe for> quite a while.> > Hakan> > > At 08:06 02/07/2006, you wrote:> > >Great idea but I think that they better make a four seater for the> >US market. Smart cars have been out for about a year in Canada and> >while really cool, I have a hard time> >imagining 2 average Americans in one ;) LOL,> >> >regards> >tallex> >> >Smart Car Coming to US in 2008 Launch by DaimlerChrysler> >> >< http://www.alternate-energy.net/N/news.php?detail=n1151818384.news >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Get your daily alternative energy news> >> >Alternate Energy Resource Network> > 1000+ news sources-resources> > updated daily> >> >http://www.alternate-energy.net> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Next Generation Grid> >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/next_generation_grid/> >> >> >Tomorrow-energy> >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tomorrow-energy/> >> >> >Alternative Energy Politics> >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Alternative_Energy_Politics/> >> >> >> >> >___> >Biofuel mailing list> >Biofuel@sustainablelists.org>>http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org> >> >Biofuel at Journey to Forever:> >http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html> >> >Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000messages):> >http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/> > > > ___> Biofuel mailing list> Biofuel@sustainablelists.org> http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org> > Biofuel at Journey to Forever:> http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html> > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000messages):> http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/> > ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Sneak preview the all-new Yahoo.com. It's not radically different. Just radically better. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] 147 MPG Diesel
Hello All - Does anyone know if these will be available in the US and if yes, when? Thanks, Tony MarzolinoAppal Energy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: http://www.greencarcongress.com/2006/05/malaysian_compa.htmlMalaysian Company Takes 26% Stake in German Maker of 157 MPGDiesel CarMalaysias Kosmo Motor Company has taken a 26% stake in Loremo AG,the developers of the Loremo LS, a 1.5 l/100km (157 mpg US) dieselpassenger car. (Earlier post.)___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta.___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Rapeseed processing
Does anyone know of a rapeseed article(s) that explain the process from planting to the actual bio-fuel? If yes, please send.Thanks, Tony Marzolino How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messengers low PC-to-Phone call rates.___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Grass Bioenergy
Hello List - Did anyone have a comment on this energy idea and/or web site?Tony Marzolino <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:Does anyone have any additional information on grass as a bio-fuel and the conversion into pellets as the site below suggests? The site does not have much detail information (capital investment, process, market, etc). It looks interesting!!! Any thoughts? http://www.grassbioenergy.org/ Thanks Tony Marzolino New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and save big.___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and save big.___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Grass Bioenergy
Does anyone have any additional information on grass as a bio-fuel and the conversion into pellets as the site below suggests? The site does not have much detail information (capital investment, process, market, etc). It looks interesting!!! Any thoughts? http://www.grassbioenergy.org/ Thanks Tony Marzolino New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and save big.___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Willow Tree Research
Hello To All, Does anyone remember a willow tree farm renewable energy research project post? If yes, could you please re-post. I can't seem to find it in the archives. Thanks, Tony Marzolino __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Smart Car - DaimlerChrysler sees growth above average
Mike, Very interesting idea. If you try this or get information, please post to the list. Thanks, Tony Marzolino Berkshire, NY --- robert luis rabello <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Mike wrote: > > H, what's process through customs for buying a > car > > in Canada and driving it back to the US anyone? > > Talk to U.S. Customs and your State Department of > Motor Vehicles. > I'm confident they will give you the most accurate > info. > > robert luis rabello > "The Edge of Justice" > Adventure for Your Mind > http://www.authorhouse.com/BookStore/ItemDetail.aspx?bookid=9782> > > Ranger Supercharger Project Page > http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ > > > > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list > archives (50,000 messages): > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Smart Car - DaimlerChrysler sees growth above average
Does anybody on this list know why DaimlerChrysler does not want to sell this car in the US? I have seen some positive comments from this list about this car. Thanks Tony MarzolinoMH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: DaimlerChrysler sees Smart's growth above averageTue Jun 7, 2005 http://today.reuters.co.uk STUTTGART, Germany (Reuters) - DaimlerChrysler expectsabove-average growth rates for minicars and microcarsthis decade, which is why it is hanging on to itsloss-making Smart business, the head of Smart said on Monday."The global market for small cars will grow nearly4.5 percent a year until 2010," Ulrich Walker toldreporters at a media briefing.Sales of microcars, the smallest category which includesthe Smart two-seat model, are set to grow by around4 percent during that period, outstripping expectedannual growth of 2.5 percent for the broadercar market, he added."This is reason enough to be confident about this market,"Walker said, suggesting minicars and microcars wouldboost their global market share to 50 percent by 2010from 30 percent now.DaimlerChrysler has made nothing but losses with Smartsince the first urban hipster two-seater made itsdebut in 1998.It aims to break even with Smart by 2007 after adrastic cost-cutting drive that narrows its focus tojust two models -- the two-seat ForTwo and four-seat ForFour.Walker said Smart was still reviewing whether to try tosell its cars in the United States, the world's biggestcar market. Its next-generation Smart ForTwo due toemerge in 2007 will be engineered to meetU.S. safety and environmental standards.But he said any launch decision hinged on thedollar/euro exchange rate andthe state of sales incentives."This market interests us only becausewe want to make money there," he said.Walker rejected a $1 billion order for Smart carsplaced last month by U.S. car customizer ZAP.The order for July 2005 delivery would havecovered around 76,000 Smarts,a volume that the company makes in half a year.Walker said he was concerned the model might faceliability lawsuits given the current lack ofU.S. certification and that he was wary aboutZAP's financing of the deal."We do not want to and will not havebusiness ties to ZAP in any way," he said.--- http://www.zapworld.com___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Discover Yahoo! Have fun online with music videos, cool games, IM & more. Check it out!___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/