Re: [Biofuel] The Ethics of Eating Meat: A Radical View

2006-06-14 Thread marilyn
Kirk wrote
A friend of mine raises cattle on the highline in Montana. It takes 40 acres to 
support 1 cow. The land is useless for agriculture as it is too dry and there 
is 
no water for irrigation. Without cattle it would yield nothing to eat unless 
you 
want to munch on the native bunch grasses.

Question for anyone who knows:   
Is it too cold for him to grow Jerusalem artichokes? I've heard they take no 
irrigation and are very good for making ethanol.
Marilyn

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[Biofuel] New Dr. Seuss-style political poem

2006-06-08 Thread marilyn
I'm the Decider
by Roddy McCorley
 
I'm the decider. I pick and I choose.
I pick among whats and I choose among whos.
And as I decide each particular day,
The things I decide on all turn out that way.
 
I decided on Freedom for all of Iraq.
And now that they have it, I'm not looking back.
I decided on tax cuts that just help the wealthy.
And Medicare changes that aren't really healthy.
 
And parklands and wetlands, who needs all that stuff?
I decided that none would be more than enough!
I decided that schools all in all are the best
The less that they teach and more that they test.
 
I decided those wages you need to get by
Are much better spent on some CEO guy.
I decided your Wade, which was versing your Roe
Is terribly awful and just has to go.
 
I decided that levees are not really needed.
Now when hurricanes come they come unimpeded.
That old Constitution? Well, I have decided
It's just goddam paper. It should be derided.
 
I've decided gay marriage is icky and weird.
Above all other things, it's the one to be feared.
Yes, I'm the Decider.  I know what is best.
Listen only to me and ignore all the rest.
 
Or I'll tap your phones and your e-mail I'll read.
Because I'm the Decider, like Jesus decreed!
Yes, I'm the Decider, so watch what you say
Or I may decide to whisk you away.
 
Cheney and Rummy and Condi all know
That I'm the Decider. They tell me it's so.
Yes, I'm the Decider. The finest alive.
And I'm nuking Iran. Now watch this drive!


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Re: [Biofuel] Biodiesel from wood

2006-06-02 Thread marilyn
Zeke wrote:

I also remember that in WWII germany was trying to distill gasoline
substitutes from pine trees -- I thought this was more like turpentine
though, derived more from the sap than the wood?   I'm not an expert
on this by any means, but perhaps someone else remembers exactly what
they were doing.


I don't know about biodiesel, but the Germans used a lot of ethanol during 
World War II. I know a man who fought there and said when they capured a 
German tank or jeep, the GIs would fill their helmets and start to party.

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Re: [Biofuel] Are your free plans being sold on eBay?

2006-05-17 Thread marilyn
If you are a registered eBay user, you can go the URL below and 
post a comment about how  he is stealing things and selling 
them. There is already one such comment. Several hundred 
would not make him look too good.

Biofuel@sustainablelists.org wrote:
I keep getting complaints about this guy who sells bits of the JtF 
website on eBay. He's not the only one.

Quite a few people have reported him and complained about 
him, but it 
doesn't work, eBay won't cooperate, they're pretty much complicit. 
Maybe he could be put out of action but it would be a lot of work, 
and someone else would replace him soon enough. He doesn't 
actually 
do us any direct injury and we're too busy to chase him, so we 
grin 
and bear it. There's one born every minute, especially on eBay, 
and 
probably one yllar17 born every minute too, but we're more 
interested 
in the other 259 people born every minute.

Deb Suran sent me further information, she's into hounding the 
guy, 
and good luck to her. This is his name:

George Powell
15596 Grape Creek Rd
Danville, IL
(217) 443-3934

Deb said this:

I'm writing to let you know than an eBay vendor, yllar17, has 
been 
stealing free plans available on the internet, including yours 
(and 
mine), and selling them on eBay as his own original 
copyrighted 
work.  For years.  Here's what he currently has for sale at eBay, 
all stolen:
http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQfgtpZ1QQfrppZ25QQsassZyllar1
7

How did I find you?  eBay refused to kick him off their service 
permanently, and instead only briefly suspended him after I 
caught 
him selling our plans twice.  So I purchased a copy of this 
thief's 
CD collection of all the plans he's selling, copied text from the 
PDF files on the CD into google, and found your website.  In an 
afternoon of searching I found 10 websites that originally 
published 
some of the files he currently has for sale.  I have attached the 
PDFs of your stolen plans from that CD to this e-mail.

Four whole eBay pages of ripped off plans at the link. Check it 
out, 
maybe you're there too.

Best

Keith


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[Biofuel] Films needed for sustainable living meetings

2006-05-03 Thread marilyn
Hi all

Can someone recommend some good films to tell people about at  
sustainable living meetings? We know about these:

The End of Suburbia
NOVA - the Dimming Sun
CNN Presents - Climate Change
The Corporation
An Inconvenient Truth

I'd like to find out about the film Eating (up) the World mentioned in this 
mailing list. Where I can get it and is it in English? This is the URL for it 
in 
Austria:
http://www2.dw-world.de/southasia/germany/1.178686.1.html

Any more suggestions?

Marilyn

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[Biofuel] films for sustainable living meetings (corrected)

2006-05-03 Thread marilyn
Hi all

Can someone recommend some good films to tell people about at 
sustainable living meetings? We know about these:

The End of Suburbia
NOVA - the Dimming Sun
CNN Presents - Climate Change
The Corporation
An Inconvenient Truth

I'd like to find out about the film We Feed the World - Essen global. It was 
mentioned in this mailing list (wong name on last email). Where I can get it 
and is it in English? This is the URL for it in Austria:
http://www2.dw-world.de/southasia/germany/1.178686.1.htm

Marilyn

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Re: [Biofuel] Fw: You won't believe Stephen Colbert at the White House Correspondents Dinner!

2006-05-02 Thread marilyn
You can see each segment at these URLs below:
Part 1:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcIRXur61II
Part 2:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HN0INDOkFuo
Part 3:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJvar7BKwvQ



D. Mindock wrote:

I watched the two parts of the video at Democratic Underground. Dubya is 
seriously roasted. Peace, D. Mindock



This is utterly amazing. Stephen Colbert is one brave truth-telling guy! I LOVE 
IT!!! Hooray for Helen Thomas, as well. I hope you enjoy, too. Thanks, Ellen!   
Now I've got to go watch the video...laughing all the way, jeannie
p.s. I REALLY REALLY recommend watching the video at Democratic 
Underground.. Please note there are two links, one for each of two parts.jb
Re-Improved Colbert transcript (now with complete text of Colbert-Thomas 
video!) 
by Frederick 
Sun Apr 30, 2006 at 11:04:01 AM PDT
I've taken the existing transcripts I've seen of Stephen Colbert's brilliant 
monologue at the White House Correspondents Dinner, and the actual 
footage (complete video available at Democratic Underground), and edited 
the transcripts (correcting spelling and punctuation, adding mistakenly 
omitted words, etc.) to produce the following improved transcript. I have now 
also transcribed all of Colbert's Press Secretary audition video. Continue 
below the fold with me.
  a.. Frederick's diary :: :: 
  b.. 
STEPHEN COLBERT:  Thank you, ladies and gentlemen. Before I begin, I've 
been asked to make an announcement. Whoever parked 14 black bulletproof 
S.U.V.'s out front, could you please move them? They are blocking in 14 other 
black bulletproof S.U.V.'s and they need to get out. 
Wow. Wow, what an honor. The White House correspondents' dinner. To 
actually sit here, at the same table with my hero, George W. Bush, to be this 
close to the man. I feel like I'm dreaming. Somebody pinch me. You know 
what? I'm a pretty sound sleeper -- that may not be enough. Somebody shoot 
me in the face. Is he really not here tonight? Dammit. The one guy who could 
have helped. 
By the way, before I get started, if anybody needs anything else at their 
tables, 
just speak slowly and clearly into your table numbers. Somebody from the 
NSA will be right over with a cocktail. Mark Smith, ladies and gentlemen of the 
press corps, Madame First Lady, Mr. President, my name is Stephen Colbert 
and tonight it's my privilege to celebrate this president. We're not so 
different, 
he and I. We get it. We're not brainiacs on the nerd patrol. We're not members 
of the factinista. We go straight from the gut, right sir? That's where the 
truth 
lies, right down here in the gut. Do you know you have more nerve endings in 
your gut than you have in your head? You can look it up. I know some of you 
are going to say I did look it up, and that's not true. That's cause you looked 
it 
up in a book.
Next time, look it up in your gut. I did. My gut tells me that's how our 
nervous 
system works. Every night on my show, the Colbert Report, I speak straight 
from the gut, OK? I give people the truth, unfiltered by rational argument. I 
call 
it the No Fact Zone. Fox News, I hold a copyright on that term.
I'm a simple man with a simple mind. I hold a simple set of beliefs that I live 
by. 
Number one, I believe in America. I believe it exists. My gut tells me I live 
there. I feel that it extends from the Atlantic to the Pacific, and I strongly 
believe it has 50 states. And I cannot wait to see how the Washington Post 
spins that one tomorrow. I believe in democracy. I believe democracy is our 
greatest export. At least until China figures out a way to stamp it out of 
plastic 
for three cents a unit.
In fact, Ambassador Zhou Wenzhong, welcome. Your great country makes our 
Happy Meals possible. I said it's a celebration. I believe the government that 
governs best is the government that governs least. And by these standards, 
we have set up a fabulous government in Iraq.
I believe in pulling yourself up by your own bootstraps. I believe it is 
possible -
- I saw this guy do it once in Cirque du Soleil. It was magical. And though I 
am 
a committed Christian, I believe that everyone has the right to their own 
religion, be you Hindu, Jewish or Muslim. I believe there are infinite paths to 
accepting Jesus Christ as your personal savior.
Ladies and gentlemen, I believe it's yogurt. But I refuse to believe it's not 
butter. Most of all, I believe in this president.
Now, I know there are some polls out there saying this man has a 32% 
approval rating. But guys like us, we don't pay attention to the polls. We know 
that polls are just a collection of statistics that reflect what people are 
thinking 
in reality. And reality has a well-known liberal bias. 
So, Mr. President, please, pay no attention to the people that say the glass is 
half full. 32% means the glass -- it's important to set up your jokes properly, 
sir. Sir, pay no attention to the people who say the glass is half empty, 
because 32% means it's 2/3 

[Biofuel] sun-grown coffee deforestation

2006-04-29 Thread marilyn
The article below regarding sun-grown coffee deforestation was 
sent to me. Does anyone know more about this?
Marilyn

Americans consume 130,000,000 cups of coffee every day? Until 
the 1970s, farmers mostly used sustainable agricultural 
techniques to grow coffee. Traditionally, shade grown coffee 
plants are interspersed under a shielding canopy of trees that 
create more biodiversity and bird habitat with less need for 
chemical inputs. In recent decades, however, a desire to boost 
production has caused many producers to abandon traditional 
shade growing techniques in favor of coffee grown in the sun 
under aggressive application of fertilizers and pesticides. In the 
process, vast stretches of native forests were cleared. Latin 
America currently has the world's highest deforestation rate, in 
part due to this conversion to sun-grown coffee. 

To learn more about shade grown coffee and where you can 
obtain it, 
http://www.pachamama.org/updates/index.php?month=5year 
06#7

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Re: [Biofuel] Thoughts on the Bush Admninistation

2006-04-20 Thread marilyn
On Thursday 20 April 2006 4:03, Bobby Clark wrote:
 The Bush Administration is not trying to kill you. Sounds like a little
 paranoia.

 First of all, I don't think all of the decisions coming out of this
 administration are wrong; although the media would certainly have you
 believe so. 

Bobby,

I'm sure every American would like to hear about this administration's 
decisions that you feel are right. On a C-SPAN interview a caller told a high 
administration official the public could see a lot being done for rich people 
and big corporations, but he wanted to hear what they have done to help the 
ordinary Americans. The only answer the official could find was the proposed 
privatization of Social Security. If you know of decisions that are helping 
ordinary people, please tell us. I ask this question of every Bush supporter I 
meet (which are extremely rare where I live) and sincerely want to hear a 
good answer. No one wants to believe their government is all bad.

Respectfully,
Marilyn

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Re: [Biofuel] Thoughts on the Bush Admninistation

2006-04-20 Thread marilyn
biofuel@sustainablelists.org wrote:
Marc,
   I am watching that movie, The Power of Nightmares. Pretty darn good.
I watched the trailer of the other movie, Why We Fight, and it too looks 
good.
Thank you, D. Mindock

D.
How did  you watch The Power of Nightmares? When I try to watch it with 
Broadband, which works for all other movies, the sound is inaudible. I saw 
Why We Fight at a theater. It is something everyone who wants to understand 
American foreign policy should see.
Marilyn

- Original Message - 
From: Marc DeGagne [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 7:30 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Thoughts on the Bush Admninistation


 9/11 happened before the war on terror
 ...

 Formerly known as the cold war, or the Vietnam war.  Empires will
 always have perceived enemies to attempt conquering.  Bobby if you have
 the time, clear your mind and watch this 3 part BBC documentary.
 http://www.archive.org/details/ThePowerOfNightmares

 Many people feel America's wars/invasions have an agenda that acts
 contrary to your reasoning of sending a message.  One of your
 presidents warned against it in his farewell speech decades ago.  War is
 business.  Here is a link to an award winning American film on the
 subject.  http://www.sonyclassics.com/whywefight/

 Peace

 Marc

 

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Re: [Biofuel] Thoughts on the Bush Admninistation

2006-04-20 Thread marilyn
Hi D
I tried this one and it acted like it was downloading, but never did. Any other 
suggestions?
Marilyn

biofuel@sustainablelists.org wrote:
Hi Marilyn,
   I too had problems. I tried the the sixth one down , 256Kb MPEG4, in the 
broadband selections, under Downloads,and
it worked fine. It actually streamed, didn't download, and started playing 
right away. It used Quicktime
to play the streaming data.
Peace, D. Mindock

- Original Message - 
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 10:50 AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Thoughts on the Bush Admninistation


 biofuel@sustainablelists.org wrote:
 Marc,
   I am watching that movie, The Power of Nightmares. Pretty darn good.
 I watched the trailer of the other movie, Why We Fight, and it too looks
 good.
 Thank you, D. Mindock

 D.
 How did  you watch The Power of Nightmares? When I try to watch it with
 Broadband, which works for all other movies, the sound is inaudible. I saw
 Why We Fight at a theater. It is something everyone who wants to 
 understand
 American foreign policy should see.
 Marilyn

 - Original Message - 
 From: Marc DeGagne [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
 Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 7:30 PM
 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Thoughts on the Bush Admninistation


 9/11 happened before the war on terror
 ...

 Formerly known as the cold war, or the Vietnam war.  Empires will
 always have perceived enemies to attempt conquering.  Bobby if you have
 the time, clear your mind and watch this 3 part BBC documentary.
 http://www.archive.org/details/ThePowerOfNightmares

 Many people feel America's wars/invasions have an agenda that acts
 contrary to your reasoning of sending a message.  One of your
 presidents warned against it in his farewell speech decades ago.  War is
 business.  Here is a link to an award winning American film on the
 subject.  http://www.sonyclassics.com/whywefight/

 Peace

 Marc



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Re: [Biofuel] CHEERS study

2006-04-18 Thread marilyn
When Senator Barbara Boxer from California spoke in Senate 
committee hearings about this, she said the parents were being 
paid to use the pesticides in their homes so the results could be 
studied in their children. I hope your version is right, not hers 
because it is more humane.  I am curious to know what proof 
you have.
Marilyn

Biofuel@sustainablelists.org wrote:
I recently saw reference to this study in an email and a reference 
link to a 
story on an organic consumers website. For one thing the study 
has been 
cancelled. Secondly, the EPA was not going to ask parents to 
spray the 
pesticides in their homes; it was going to monitor small children 
that were 
already exposed to the pesticide by virtue of where they lived.

I believe we live in a day and age where the government can be 
trusted less 
and less. However, let's try and get the truth before we go 
spreading it 
around. We must be vigilant for the truth so that when a real 
problem comes 
up, people will listen.

Peace,
Bobby Clark



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Re: [Biofuel] A little clarification

2006-04-18 Thread marilyn
I hope that too much restriction does not take place because I 
learn a lot from reading reactions to each other's statements. It 
helps me clarify my own thinking by watching people try to help 
others clarify and defend their positions. I want to understand 
why people feel they way they do. Most of my friends think like I 
do, and I have a lot to learn about the root causes of different 
viewponts. 
Marilyn

Michael Redler wrote:

I just wanted to chime in here.
   
  Keith wrote: 
   
  It reached a stage here where the list would not have 
survived unless we'd formulated the rules, which were already 
there, 
we didn't just make them up.
   
  It's also too common to see a reactionary restriction of 
expression, screening all posts before distribution (for example).
   
  This forum proves that a loose framework is very effective at 
maintaining individual freedoms while allowing it's membership 
to participate in maintaining continuity.
   
  Kim: I read some of your posts and couldn't help notice the 
similarities between your views and the ideology driving the 
White Man's Burden. Maybe it's time to rethink the ideals to which 
we, in the US, have been indoctrinated. Maybe it's a good time to 
question the perceived credibility and legacy left behind by 
people like McCarthy and accept the fact that it's not acceptable 
to steer the culture, economy and government of another country 
simply because you feel you're better.
   
  You wrote: Our right to determine the direction of our life today 
is unparalleled in human history.
   
  So, Babylon, Ancient Greece, etc. don't count. The Magna Carta 
was just a piece of paper (if I can borrow an expression from 
our president).
   
  There have been and are, better examples of democracy in 
human history than the republic we Americans pretend to push 
on others in the process of building an empire. 
   
  Do some research on our Constitution and it's origins. It will 
lead you in a few directions - one of which is toward the Iroquois 
nation. Ask an Iroquois about their right to determine their life - 
if you can find one. You talk about the reassignment of land for 
the greater good but conveniently under emphasize the 
eradication of those people in the process of fulfilling that 
illusion.
   
   
  Mike 
  

Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Hello Kim

Greetings,
I do believe that many people on this list don't read real well.

I think you're relying on it. No doubt a new subject-title and 
dumping all the evidence helps. The ones who disagree with 
you read 
quite well though. The un-keyhole view is of Kim trying to 
backpedal 
her way up a pedestal, in defiance of the laws of gravity and 
pedals.

I did say I was in favor of colonizing the stars, not the colonizing 
that happened in past history and is happening today by the 
corporate world.

Um, sorry, not so. In fact you were also criticised for the 
colonising the stars bit, and you ignored that too. But for a lot of 
forbearance you could have got the boot just for that, and much 
besides. You should read the list rules again. They're there for a 
reason. It reached a stage here where the list would not have 
survived unless we'd formulated the rules, which were already 
there, 
we didn't just make them up. They had to be put into a form that 
people could be referred to and told to read and comply with 
when 
they joined. If not no list any more long ago already.

A major reason for it was to put a stop to this kind of vanishing 
act 
that denialists of all stripes like to pull with what they said 
yesterday. You're not a denialist? But you walk the walk. The 
rules 
are all about integrity. Please go and read them.
http://snipurl.com/mx7r

I do find good in many bad situations. Do I wish that certain 
changes had come about in a more humane manner, of 
course. Part of 
getting over hatred is seeing that even though you hated a 
situation, some personal good came from it. Hatred is bad for 
the 
person who hates, not the person who is hated.

Morally and spiritually, indeed so. Practically, well, what will you 
say, Kim? At least the victims were pure of heart when they got 
slaughtered so it was a Good Thing for them, they didn't get the 
chance to pollute their spirits with negative feelings like hatred 
afterwards? Only a pessimistic person who sees no hope for 
humanity 
and knows nothing about history could disagree, eh? Sure, you 
didn't 
say that, but it's not far from what you did say, which you're now 
trying to sweep under the corner of the carpet, as usual. That's 
right, I'm going to unsweep it a little, did you think I wouldn't? 
You think some strange things. What made you think I wouldn't 
check 
the snopes reference you posted even if you didn't? Denialists 
don't 
do metaphor either, they say I didn't say that!

By distancing

Hm.

and looking for good, one can overcome hatred of even a whole 
race.

Hating a whole race, my word.

To say that by finding good

Re: [Biofuel] BYU professor's group accuses U.S.officialsoflyingabout 9/11

2006-04-15 Thread marilyn
Gary wrote:

Gandhi I've only got a passing familiarity with, even though he 
seems to be referred to as the father of non-violent protest.
Maybe he was perfect and maybe his followers were never 
incited to riot or to violence.  If so, then in this case I'm wrong.  I 
hope I'm  wrong.  I'd like to be wrong.  I wish my cynical world 
view was wrong  and that if you really are pure of heart then the 
truth will win out  in the end and peace will fall on the land but I 
guess I just haven't  seen it in my life time.

Get the video of the movie Gandhi and you will learn a lot about 
him. It's the best movie I ever saw. He forced Britain, the most 
powerful empire in the world, to leave his country. His protesters 
never responded with violence, even though the Brits used 
violence against them. One day the Brits killed hundreds of 
people, including children, in an enclosed courtyard with no way 
to escape, yet Gandhi still kept his people nonviolent.
Marilyn

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Re: [Biofuel] [SPAM] Re: New American Bumper stickers - Oh boy

2006-04-12 Thread marilyn
The movie The Day After Tomorrow was shown in theaters, not 
just on TV. The VP did look like ours. The Pres also looked like 
ours, wore a baseball cap and was reassured by the VP that the 
climate change was not serious. The Pres ended up dying in a 
plane crash and the VP immigrated to Mexico, the only place in 
North America warm enough to live in. There he apologized to 
the world about being so wrong about global warming. The 
movie's rapid freezing of the whole northern hemisphere was 
dismissed by some as being Hollywood overdramatization, but 
the message about how wrong the administration was to try to 
cover up climate change's serious devastation to the planet was 
very powerful.
Marilyn

Gary wrote:
You mean the day after tomorrow?  Looked like him but the 
name was  
different.

The day after was a tv, nuke waste movie.


On 12 Apr 2006, at 13:24, Terry Dyck wrote:

 Wan't Dick Cheney the bad guy in the Global Warming movie, 
the Day  
 After?


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 Terry Wilhelm wrote:

 Not sure who you and your friend have for a Vice President, 
but the
 rest of us support Dick *_CHENEY._*

 Terry Wilhelm

 I pray the gods that I'm excluded from the crowd of us that  
 supports Dick
 Cheney!

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Re: [Biofuel] BYU professor's group accuses U.S. officialsoflyingabout 9/11

2006-04-12 Thread marilyn
Paul asked some questions:
For the WTC Towers and #7 to be wired for explosives would be 
a HUGE project requiring a LOT of time and workers in those 
buildings for weeks. Where are those workers? Where is the 
company that carried it out? There are only a few skyscraper 
demo companies. No one saw them? From whom did they order 
the wire? Who drove the truck?

One answer:
Marvin Bush, brother to President George and Jeb, was a 
principal in Securacom, which was an executive of the Kuwaiti 
company charge of security for the World Trade Center. This 
contract  was scheduled to end on 9/11. During the weeks 
before 9/11 bomb-sniffing dogs and other security measures 
were removed from the buildings. Barbara Bush acknowledges 
Marvin's position in this company in her memoirs. 

Some info on the company:

Marvin P. Bush, the president’s younger brother, was a principal 
in a company called Securacom that provided security for the 
World Trade Center, United Airlines, and Dulles International 
Airport. The company, Burns noted, was backed by KuwAm, a 
Kuwaiti-American investment firm on whose board Marvin Burns 
also served. [Utne]

According to its present CEO, Barry McDaniel, the company had 
an ongoing contract to handle security at the World Trade Center 
up to the day the buildings fell down.

The company lists as government clients the U.S. Army, U.S. 
Navy, U.S Air force, and the Department of Justice, in projects 
that often require state-of-the-art security solutions for classified 
or high-risk government sites.

Stratesec (Securacom) differs from other security companies 
which separate the function of consultant from that of service 
provider. The company defines itself as a single-source 
provider of end-to-end security services, including everything 
from diagnosis of existing systems to hiring subcontractors to 
installing video and electronic equipment. It also provides 
armored vehicles and security guards.

The Dulles Internation contract is another matter. Dulles is 
regarded as absolutely a sensitive airport, according to security 
consultant Wayne Black, head of a Florida-based security firm, 
due to its location, size, and the number of international carriers 
it serves.

Black has not heard of Stratesec, but responds that for one 
company to handle security for both airports and airlines is 
somewhat unusual. It is also delicate for a security firm serving 
international facilities to be so interlinked with a foreign-owned 
company: Somebody knew somebody, he suggested, or the 
contract would have been more closely scrutinized.

As Black points out, when you [a company] have a security 
contract, you know the inner workings of everything. And if 
another company is linked with the security company, then 
What's on your computer is on their computer.

Source of info:
www.whatreallyhappened.com/911security.html


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Re: [Biofuel] Loose Change -- new video sheds new light on 9/11

2006-04-11 Thread marilyn
I just got the same message. Is everyone getting it?
Mailyn

Hi just went to check this movie out and got a warning that it 
could be a fraud attempt. Could this be the big brother 
intervention that other threads have warned about? I wonder?
Bob
  - Original Message - 
  From: D. Mindock 
  To: Undisclosed-Recipient:; 
  Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 2:09 PM
  Subject: [Biofuel] Loose Change -- new video sheds new light 
on 9/11




  The video brings up new info that I've not seen before. The 
video makers did do a lot of work to pull a lot sources together. 
The 9/11
  tradgedy was, in spite of all the effort by the gov, a bungled job. 
It doesn't stand up to intelligent scrutiny. Now it is our job to
  get the disgusting thugs out of office and into prison. They 
(Bush/Cheney/et. al.) ARE the real enemy combatants. Peace, D. 
Mindock





  Dear friends,

  As one who has worked as a language interpreter for 
presidents and other dignitaries at the highest levels of 
government, I am deeply committed to strengthening democracy 
and to building a brighter future for all of us. I and many others in 
the research network in which I am involved have found that a 
key difficulty we face in building a better world is the resistance of 
many people to looking at some of the darker aspects of what is 
going both in the world and inside of ourselves.

  I invite you to consider that by avoiding or suppressing the 
darker aspects of life, we only give them room to grow even 
darker and more threatening. By choosing to pull back the veil 
and look directly into the darkness, by choosing to face both our 
individual and collective fears and working to transform them, we 
can improve not only our own lives, but our entire world. I present 
the information below out of a desire to invite all of us draw back 
the veils and awaken to the deeper potential that lies within all of 
us to play an important role in transforming our world into a more 
caring, supportive place to live.

  If you can give just a few minutes of your time, I invite you to 
open to a crucial piece of what is going on behind the veil by 
watching the most empowering documentary on 9/11 that I've 
ever seen. Titled Loose Change, this highly revealing film is 
available free on Google Video at the link below. If you have 
limited time, I cannot recommend highly enough going straight 
to the link now and watching at least 10 to 15 minutes of this 
highly revealing documentary. The reliable information provided 
serves as a wake-up call for us all to come together in building a 
better world.

  MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt from 
t.ymlp.com claiming to be 
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-82600599237626288
48 - Loose Change (82 minutes) 

  Though it ranks as far and above the best documentary on 9/11 
I've seen, Loose Change is not enjoyable to watch. Many 
people find their stomach turning and their mind saying is this 
true or how can this be? The documentary is meant to be 
disturbing, yet it is equally designed to inspire us to action. Once 
we open to seeing the darkness by educating ourselves, we 
begin to take power back into our own hands both individually 
and collectively, and can then work together to create more 
balance and harmony in our world. 

  snip

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  Fred Burks for the MailScanner has detected a possible fraud 
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Re: [Biofuel] Loose Change -- new video sheds new light on 9/11

2006-04-11 Thread marilyn
Biofuel@sustainablelists.org wrote:
copy the url proper (not the entire hotlink) and paste it into your 
browser.

Todd Swearingen

The message was in the content of my email, but it did not 
interfere with pasting the URL into my browser.
Marilyn

Bob Carr wrote:

 Hi just went to check this movie out and got a warning that it 
could 
 be a fraud attempt. Could this be the big brother intervention 
that 
 other threads have warned about? I wonder?
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Re: [Biofuel] The Accidental Farmer

2006-04-10 Thread marilyn
We made most of our ethanol out of rice. We added 20% water 
and drove our car and truck on it with excellent results. 
Marilyn

Biofuel@sustainablelists.org wrote:
Sticky/Glutinous rice from the fields makes real good ethanol. If 
used with
and injection of 15 to 20% water it produces much more energy 
in a tuned
engine to the fuel water mix than gas. Why the need to go to 
other
Bio-Fuels? The Ethanol with the water injection would be 
sufficient   to run
pumps, generators and the likes as long as the intake to the 
engine was as
short as possible for easy starting.

Doug
- Original Message - 
From: Johnathan Corgan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 3:24 AM
Subject: [Biofuel] The Accidental Farmer


 I've recently acquired through inheritance about 20 acres of 
farm land
 in rural Philippines.  It's currently being used for rice and I think
 some tobacco.  My wife's extended family works the land and 
the
 operation has now passed into our hands.

 Being a professional engineer and California-based city boy, I 
have no
 clue whatsoever about anything to do with farming.  My lifetime
 agricultural experience is watching seeds sprout in egg carton 
planters
 as a child in an elementary school science project.

 By pure coincidence, I've recently begun experimenting with 
WVO-based
 biodiesel production, currently at the successful 1L batch 
stage.

 In addition, we've thought of building a vacation/retirement 
home on
 this land, emphasizing off the grid energy--PV, wind, 
battery-based
 power leveling, and diesel-generator backup.

 So all this adds up to a grand opportunity--can the land be 
made
 sufficiently productive to support methanol or ethanol based 
biodiesel
 manufacture for a small community, for a suitable definition of 
small?

 My understanding is that the climate is suitable for several 
different
 types of oilseed crops, but I don't even know the right 
questions to
 ask.  I do know, though, that rural Philippines has many 
interesting
 logistical issues, not to mention some geopolitical instability 
and poor
 infrastructure.

 I have many ideas, but little understanding of practicalities :-)

 (Not to mention the livelihoods of a number of members of my 
wife's
 family, so this is more serious than mere experimentation.)

 -Johnathan

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Re: [Biofuel] The Accidental Farmer

2006-04-10 Thread marilyn

 We made most of our ethanol out of rice. We added 20% water
 and drove our car and truck on it with excellent results.
 Marilyn

Ethanol makes a total change to emissions from the exhaust in 
smell, like it is not too unpleasant to breath while the engine is 
running. No real need to go to the Bio-Diesel stage if only 
electricity generation and pumps are required.
ires1

We took one of our ethanol-powered vehicles in to be smog 
checked and it burned so clean the guy thought his test 
equipment had broken. 
Marilyn

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Re: [Biofuel] Fw: Doctor Doom?!

2006-04-05 Thread marilyn
Kim at Biofuel@sustainablelists.org wrote:

Each time we have opened a new area we have grown in human rights for a 
short time. 

Kim,
I doubt if Native Americans, Indigenous peoples all over the world, and 
anyone who has had their land taken by invaders will agree with this 
statement. I applaud your desire to be an optimist rather than a pessimist, but 
optimism should be based on a willingness to look at all facts honestly. 
Best wishes,
Marilyn

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Re: [Biofuel] More quotes from Bin Laden

2006-03-25 Thread marilyn
On Jan. 22 Keith wrote:

I remember this bit well: I have already said that I am not 
involved in the 11 September attacks in the United States.  That 
was the first post-9-11 interview with Osama bin Laden? Fisk's 
site says Ummat, Karachi, 28th September, 2001

and

I don't have a transcript, but it sure doesn't look much like the 
Ummat interview. The Telegraph says there were four previous 
videos after Sept 11, all denying involvement.

For Keith and anyone else interested in the 9-11 pretext for war:

If you want the full transcript of the Ummat interview in which he 
denied being responsible for 9-11, it is found at the following: 

http://www.911review.com/articles/usamah/khilafah.html

In the interview Osama says:
I have already said that I am not involved in the 11 September 
attacks in the United States. As a Muslim, I try my best to avoid 
telling a lie. I had no knowledge of these attacks, nor do I 
consider the killing of innocent women, children and other 
humans as an appreciable act. Islam strictly forbids causing 
harm to innocent women, children and other people. Such a 
practice is forbidden even in the course of a battle. 

He adds:
 I have already said that we are not hostile to the United States. 
We are against the [U.S. Government] system, which makes 
other nations slaves of the United States, or forces them to 
mortgage their political and economic freedom.

He talks about why the US needs to create an enemy:
Then there are intelligence agencies in the U.S., which require 
billions of dollars worth of funds from the Congress and the 
government every year. This [funding issue] was not a big 
problem till the existence of the former Soviet Union but after that 
the budget of these agencies has been in danger. They needed 
an enemy. So, they first started propaganda against Usama and 
Taleban and then this incident happened. You see, the Bush 
Administration approved a budget of 40 billion dollars. Where 
will this huge amount go? It will be provided to the same 
agencies, which need huge funds and want to exert their 
importance.

He also talks about what the US media is doing to its people:
The Western media is unleashing such a baseless 
propaganda, which makes us surprise but it reflects on what is 
in their hearts and gradually they themselves become captive of 
this propaganda. They become afraid of it and begin to cause 
harm to themselves. Terror is the most dreaded weapon in 
modern age and the Western media is mercilessly using it 
against its own people. It can add fear and helplessness in the 
psyche of the people of Europe and the United States. It means 
that what the enemies of the United States cannot do, its media 
is doing that.

This interview was never made public in the US. Sorry to 2 
months late in responding, but I just found this.

Marilyn

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Re: [Biofuel] Scientists Racing to Ease Painful PTSD Memories

2006-03-12 Thread marilyn
Keith at Biofuel@sustainablelists.org wrote:
Does anything know anything about soldiers being given drugs 
before going into combat, as has been alleged?

Several US militiary men returning from Iraq have become violent 
against their wives, some wives being killed by these husbands 
in a California base. There has been a lot of speculation that this 
violence was brought on by reactions to drugs in their systems, 
but I haven't heard of any studies confirming this. If such studies 
did exist, we probably wouldn't hear about them anyway.

There were news reports in England, where I lived at the time, 
that the Chinese troops who mowed down the protesters in 
Tiannamin Square were given drugs to make them aggressive, 
and this, in addition to being told that the students in the Square 
had been extremely violent, made them willing to kill their own 
people. Did US news sources report this?

Marilyn

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Re: [Biofuel] bioplastic bottled water WAS hybrid efficiency

2006-03-09 Thread marilyn
I saw a bottled water documentary that showed how some companies just 
take water from a tap and label it spring water. Lab analyses showed 
many brands had water no cleaner than city water. It also said water 
bottles people did not recycle ended up as a huge amount of the trash 
in landfills. Unless they are made of bioplastics they will never 
decay. 

Does anyone know of any water companies using plastic made from 
plants? NEC and other big electronics companies in Japan are using 
bioplastics made from kenaf, sweet potatoes, and other plants for 
their computers, audio equipment,etc. One article said they are 
buying up all the kenaf they can find around the world. I'm trying to 
find US or Canadian companies making bioplastic products. We are 
creating sustainable industries in our community and this is one we 
want to do. Anyone out there who can help?

Marilyn

Biofuel@sustainablelists.org wrote:
Depends.

Supermarket filtered by the gallon probably runs around $2/gallon.

Name brand around $4/gallon to $20/gallon.

Home delivered 5 gallon jugs ~$1.80/gallon
Same company 24 .5L is $2.20/gallon

Hakan Falk wrote:
 Question is how much does a gallon of bottled water cost in US?

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Re: [Biofuel] Other people's countries

2006-03-02 Thread marilyn
What was the Citizens International Authority and who was in 
charge of it? I googled it and nothing came up, even though it is 
referred to on this website you mentioned.


Biofuel@sustainablelists.org wrote:


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See/search Operation Phoenix on many sites.

As far as I know the old or the young Shrub never declared war or 
war was never declared on a  small land locked country and was 
never a threat to the US in any way. Guess who was in charge of 
the Citizens International Authority at the time! war crimes some 
suggest! 100 years plus to clean up the mess and the present 
day to day maiming of farmers. The mess not cleaned up yet and 
the same Scrubs looking for new grounds to spoil or sand pit to 
play in.

http://www.serendipity.li/cia/operation_phoenix.htm

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  Paul S Cantrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think the scariest thing about impeachment of Bush II is Dick 
Cheney.

Republicans in the 90's weren't scared of Al Gore, but I think 
everyone except Wyoming is scared of The Dick being president.

He's already increased the power of the Vice President to 
unprecedented levels i.e. Redaction (top secret) power, Iraq, 
shooting a guy in the face etc...

Maybe next year when the Dems take over both houses of 
Congress.

THROW THE BUMS OUT!

All joking aside, I really think that both Bush and Cheney have 
committed impeachable offenses. 





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Re: [Biofuel] Oilman Plays Ozone Man

2006-02-07 Thread marilyn
The URL is
http://select.nytimes.com/gst/tsc.html?URI=http://select.nytimes.c
om/2006/02/04/opinion/04dowd.htmlOQ=_rQ3D1Q26nQ3DTop
Q25Q25202fOpinionQ252fEditorialsQ2520andQ2520OpQ252d
EdQ252fOpQ252dEdQ252fColumnistsQ25Q25202fMaureenQ2
520DowdOP=6eed4c9bQ2FpTbQ5EpB3AVVBpoxxQ7CpxopxQ
2FpVP0N0VNpxQ2FtVTt7Q22BJQ5C

It shows you that it was in the New York Times, but you need to 
be a subscriber to get into it.

Marilyn

Biofuel@sustainablelists.org wrote:
Can you send along the url source for this?

Regards,
-dave


Posted by: [EMAIL PROTECTED]


February 4, 2006
Op-Ed Columnist
Oilman Plays Ozone Man
By MAUREEN DOWD
WASHINGTON

The Saudi ambassador summoned me to the embassy on
Thursday, across the street from the Watergate.

He wanted to know if Americans were still addicted to oil.

I assured him we were.

...



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Re: [Biofuel] Oilman Plays Ozone Man

2006-02-07 Thread marilyn
The person who forwarded this to me did not include the URL. It 
is from the New York Times 2/4/06 Op-Ed editorial by Maureen 
Dowd. On my online issue of the Times it is available only to 
paid subscribers. I will ask my source for the URL where 
someone can read it online.

Biofuel@sustainablelists.org wrote:
Can you send along the url source for this?

Regards,
-dave


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February 4, 2006
Op-Ed Columnist
Oilman Plays Ozone Man
By MAUREEN DOWD
WASHINGTON

The Saudi ambassador summoned me to the embassy on
Thursday, across the street from the Watergate.

He wanted to know if Americans were still addicted to oil.

I assured him we were.

...



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[Biofuel] Oilman Plays Ozone Man

2006-02-06 Thread marilyn
February 4, 2006
Op-Ed Columnist
Oilman Plays Ozone Man 
By MAUREEN DOWD
WASHINGTON

The Saudi ambassador summoned me to the embassy on 
Thursday, across the street from the Watergate. 

He wanted to know if Americans were still addicted to oil.

I assured him we were.

Prince Turki al-Faisal, the charming new envoy from the royal 
family, was confused about W.'s suddenly morphing into Ozone 
Man, as Poppy Bush called Al Gore in '92. At the State of the 
Union address at the Capitol Tuesday night, the prince watched 
with chagrin as the ex-Texas oilman urged breaking our 
dependence by replacing most Mideast oil imports with wood 
chips and ethanol, a word usually heard only quadrennially when 
pols pander during the Iowa caucuses.

The prince, dressed in long white robe and checkered 
headdress, explained that last fall, when Condi Rice was in 
Jidda, the Saudis and the U.S. launched a strategic dialogue, 
which included a promise by the Saudis to pump more oil. And 
now the president promises that the U.S. will need less oil.

Which way are the desert winds blowing?

I told the prince it was politics. W. is just mouthing conservation 
arguments to offset Americans' disgust at the obscene profits of 
Exxon Mobil and Halliburton, high gas prices and a conflict in 
Iraq that Rummy now gallingly dubs the long war. Shouldn't it 
be the wrong war? (Halliburton never gets punished for bilking 
the Pentagon. The Army just awarded the company a $385 
million contract to build detention centers for the Department of 
Homeland Security.)

Bush presidents, I told Prince Turki, sometimes say things 
without realizing that they are expected to act on their words. I 
expressed some doubt that the Duke of Halliburton, who 
dismissed conservation as a personal virtue, would let W. go 
all Earth in the Balance. It's not easy being green with smoggy 
Dick keeping a gimlet eye on you. The Saudi ambassador said 
he liked the vice president.

After some Turkish coffee, some reminiscences about the time 
the religious police in Saudi Arabia almost threw me in a 
dungeon, some chat about Iraq — there are two possible 
outcomes, one good, one awful — and some mutual puzzlement 
over the administration's lack of zeal in going after Osama bin 
Laden, we parted.

I needed no coat or sweater. It's so warm this winter, we'll soon 
have palm trees, the Saudi insignia, on the Potomac. A recent 
Washington Post story warned that global warming was 
progressing so fast that within decades, humans may be 
helpless to slow or reverse the trend. Sounds like a plot for a 
thriller with Mr. Cheney as an enviro-villain, especially if you throw 
in that the Bush administration has been trying to gag the top 
NASA climate scientist from issuing Cassandra bleats about 
global warming.

Conservatives were so gobsmacked by W.'s promise to have the 
government drum up nonpetroleum energy options — Robert 
Novak huffed that it not only violated G.O.P. free-market 
philosophy, but it also had a lengthy pedigree of failure — that 
the vice president had to swiftly lumber onto conservative radio 
shows to praise drilling and gas guzzling.

Asked by Rush Limbaugh if drilling in Alaska was now out, Mr. 
Cheney said: No, it's not off the table by any means. We'll keep 
pushing it because we think it makes eminent good sense.

Asked by Laura Ingraham if he agreed with Tom Friedman that 
the administration should impart pain with a gas tax, Mr. Cheney 
demurred, Well, I don't agree with that. He said that he and W. 
are big believers in the market and letting the market work, and 
that people make decisions for themselves in terms of what 
kind of vehicle they want to drive, and how often they want to fill 
up the tank, and from the perspective of individual American 
citizens, this notion that we have to 'impose pain,' some kind of 
government mandate, I think we would resist.

W.'s energy secretary, Samuel Bodman, clarified that the 
president's words shouldn't be taken literally. He said the aim of 
replacing 75 percent of Middle East oil imports with alternative 
fuels was purely an example of an action that could be taken.

Back in the Ford White House, when Vice President Nelson 
Rockefeller pushed a plan to have the government help develop 
alternative energy sources and reduce our dependence on oil 
and Saudi Arabia, Dick Cheney helped scuttle it.

If he hadn't, we would no longer be oil addicts. And Dick Cheney 
wouldn't have to go to the trouble of scuttling a new plan to have 
the government help develop alternative sources of energy and 
reduce our dependence on oil and Saudi Arabia. 


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[Biofuel] Fwd: a new way FBI tracks people of interest

2006-02-04 Thread marilyn
Check this out.

http://users.chartertn.net/tonytemplin/FBI_eyes/




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Re: [Biofuel] Fw: The Indigo Evolution

2006-01-29 Thread marilyn
Joe wrote:
Years ago I met a kid who could not form a sentence verbally 
but put him in front of a typewriter and he composed the most 
beautiful poetry.  It  was hard to believe.

Joe,

This is similar to what happens to many autistic people who get 
computer devices that speak aloud what is typed. A Nobel Prize 
winning professor at Stanford University told me how his autistic 
son, a young adult, had never been able to speak. He could 
read, but had showed no interest in writing.. When he was given 
a “speaking computer” he was thrilled. The first thing he wrote 
was how terribly alone he had felt all his life because he could 
not make his voice heard. I took such a device to an autistic 
school, where a 15-year-old boy who had never spoken tried it. I 
have never seen a look of such surprise and delight as he found 
a “voice” for himself. It inspired me to create a program that 
builds words with graphic symbols for sounds instead of letters 
so people who cannot read or spell can use these devices.

Bob Allen asked me about this comment from me:
“I was told that many autistic people who can't speak are able to 
communicate with thoughts instead of words. A mother of one of 
the students at the autistic school said she had tried this with 
some of the students and it worked amazingly well”

Bob’s question:
“ok, I'll bite, how did they communicate with thoughts?  are we 
talking mind reading here?  esp? If so there is a million dollars 
waiting for them- they need to get in touch with James Randi, 
post haste. http://www.randi.org/research/index.html”

Bob,

This mother said the first time she tried it was with a 7-year-old 
autistic girl who had never spoken and was always very 
hyperactive. This woman started sending thoughts and feelings 
about what a wonderful girl she is and how fun it is to spend 
time with her. The child stopped fidgeting and looked up in 
shock at the woman, then got the biggest grin and just sat there 
smiling at her for the rest of their time together. Of course, the 
woman didn’t know if the child was sending thoughts or just 
feelings, but she seemed to be sending something. 

It sounded pretty far-fetched to me so I tried the same thing with 
a teenage boy at the autistic school who seemed lost in his own 
world as the other kids in the room listened to a guitar player 
sing. As he sat alone looking at the floor, I “directed” thoughts 
and feelings to him about what a great kid he was. He had the 
same reaction as the girl. He looked up in surprise, smiling 
broadly toward me the whole time I was in the room. I wished I 
could “hear” if he was sending me thoughts, but I could easily 
see he was sending feelings of gratitude. 

It would be hard to know how to test such things in a way that 
would be scientific enough to win the million dollars offered by 
Randi. The Soviets extensively studied such things during the 
Cold War because they saw the value of extrasensory 
communication during wartime. The book “Psychic Discoveries 
Behind the Iron Curtain” talks about these studies. They may 
have come up with scientific verification methods.

I don’t know anything about Twyman and indigo children except 
that they have a community in Oregon, but I do know that 
researching how to communicate more effectively with autistic 
children and adults would be worthwhile.

Marilyn

snip
I googled Ashland, OR and indigo and got numerous hits about 
a movie, but this one is about, well 
see for yourself.

http://selectsmart.com/twyman.html

INDIGO: THE COLOR OF MONEY

...MISLEADING REPORTS OF SCIENTIFIC PROOF

Twyman reports scientific proof of several spurious claims, 
including that children develop ESP at 
his fairs after Brain Respiration (BR) training. BR was created 
by Ilchi Lee, aka Seung Heun Lee, 
founder of Dahn Centers and many other organizations. (Lee 
and Walsch are also affiliated). Twyman 
and Lee have reported that the University of California at Irvine, 
specifically the Center for Aging 
and Dementia, has researched and confirmed the effects of 
BR. However, this department at UCI 
tells me they have not conducted any studies on Lee's BR 
program, per se -- let alone confirmed its 
paranormal claims.

OILY-SKINNED PSYCHIC CHILDREN

At Twyman's psychic fairs for children, kids are persuaded to 
believe that sticking a lightweight 
spoon to their forehead is a result of psychokinetic power. The 
fact is that everyone can stick a 
lightweight spoon to their forehead if they first rub the spoon on 
their skin, especially the 
forehead and chin, coating the spoon with slightly sticky 
sebum.

X-RAY VISION

At Twyman's psychic children's fairs, parents paid for their kids' 
ESP powers to be tested (charging 
subjects is almost unheard-of in scientific research) before and 
after participation in Ilchi Lee's 
BR training. The children were asked to identify certain shapes, 
colors, or simple words while 
blindfolded. Lee shows a video at his website of blindfolded

Re: [Biofuel] Fw: The Indigo Evolution

2006-01-24 Thread marilyn
Some autistic people are brilliant in some areas and called retarded in others. 
Dustin Hoffman played such a person in the movie Rain Man, based on a 
true person.  An example is a 19 year old youth I met in an autistic school. 
When they tried to get him to read first grade level words, he could barely do 
it, but if he was given college level texts in physics of advanced mathematics, 
he would devour them, then miss nothing in the exams they gave him 
afterwards.

I was told that many autistic people who can't speak are able to communicate 
with thoughts instead of words. A mother of one of the students at the autistic 
school said she had tried this with some of the students and it worked 
amazingly well. They seemed thrilled to be able to move out of the isolation 
they felt  when trying to communicate with people who rely only on words.

Also, someone told me there is an indigo children community in Ashland, 
Oregon where people bring children to develop psychic and intellectual 
abilities. Has anyone heard of it?

Marilyn

Biofuel@sustainablelists.org wrote:
On 1/23/06, Marylynn Schmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Michael

 I was lead to believe that the autism diagnosis was a mis-diagnosis and 
used
 only because the doctors/educators did not know what to do with them.

Actually my son has PDD Pervasice Development Disorder. Autism has
come to represent a spectrum of diagnosis's. As the Disorders are
being understood the are begining to seperate.

 I was also lead to believe that these children normally do not speak much
 before 4 years of age and then they begin with full sentences.

Again not all children under the autism spectrum meet this criteria.
Some do and some do not. Then those with the delay are often unable to
fully express concepts such as feelings.

snip

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[Biofuel] fraudulent emails claiming to be from Keith

2005-12-17 Thread marilyn
Hi all

I have been getting many fraudulent emails from the following source:
Keith [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
(Addison not included)

Many have attachments that I never open because I know Keith never 
includes attachments so they are probably a virus. Many have also been sent 
in Midori's name claiming to be from JTF. Today pornography has also been 
sent several times from the above email. Can someone please explain to me 
how the email that belongs to Keith be hijacked like this? I don't know enough 
about email to understand how a name registered to someone can be used.

Thanks,
Marilyn

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Re: [Biofuel] fraudulent emails claiming to be from Keith

2005-12-17 Thread marilyn
PS
In case your mail has the same problem, the full fraudulent email address I 
sent did not show when I received the email I just sent, only the word Keith. 
When I hit Reply it did show up as the full address 
([EMAIL PROTECTED]). So here it is again.
Marilyn

Biofuel@sustainablelists.org wrote:

Hi all

I have been getting many fraudulent emails from the following source:
Keith [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
(Addison not included)

Many have attachments that I never open because I know Keith never 
includes attachments so they are probably a virus. Many have also been sent 
in Midori's name claiming to be from JTF. Today pornography has also been 
sent several times from the above email. Can someone please explain to me 
how the email that belongs to Keith be hijacked like this? I don't know enough 
about email to understand how a name registered to someone can be used.

Thanks,
Marilyn



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Re: [Biofuel] fraudulent emails claiming to be from Keith

2005-12-17 Thread marilyn
Biofuel@sustainablelists.org wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 sent several times from the above email. Can someone please explain to 
me 
 how the email that belongs to Keith be hijacked like this? I don't know 
enough 
 about email to understand how a name registered to someone can be 
used.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Email_fraud#Spoofing

jh

Thanks, John. I appreciate the info. I am aware of these things, but what this 
did not cover is how does someone make their email look like it comes from 
Keith's web site?
Marilyn


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Re: [Biofuel] Re viruses at the list

2005-12-04 Thread marilyn
I assumed that because they had attachments and you have said you never 
send attachments, they were viruses so I deleted them.  This is a correct 
assumtion, isn't it?
Marilyn

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Re: [Biofuel] Re viruses at the list

2005-12-04 Thread marilyn
My Macintosh doesn't delete them. Maybe if I tried to open them there would 
be a warning, but I never opened any attachment that did not come from 
someone I knew was sending one. Is there a Mac virus protection that 
automatically deletes attachments? I wouldn't want it to delete the ones I know 
are coming
Thanks, Marilyn.

Biofuel@sustainablelists.org wrote:
I assumed that because they had attachments and you have said you never
send attachments, they were viruses so I deleted them.  This is a correct
assumtion, isn't it?
Marilyn

Yes. Delete all attachments unread, don't try to open them. But your 
virus protection should be doing that for you,. shouldn't it?

Best

Keith


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Re: [Biofuel] jatropha curcas

2005-12-04 Thread marilyn
Hi Isabel
I heard today that castor beans are an excellent source of biodiesel. Does 
anyone know if this is true?
Marilyn

Biofuel@sustainablelists.org wrote:


Note: Forwarded Email Message Below:



Hi Keith

It seems as if you don't think it is a good idea to use Jatropha as a source
to produce bio diesel from?

When I originally posed the question I only received a few messages and 
none
of them was negative.

Maybe I missed something!

As I originally explained we know nothing about producing bio diesel and
that is why we posted our original questions and gave a brief explanation
why we though it would be best to use jatropha.

We have literally read every article we can find about producing bio diesel
and to date  have not found in our opinion any crop better suited for us to
produce bio diesel from, as a matter fact it seems from what we have read
that jatropha is the number one choice world wide to produce bio diesel
from.

You obviously have a lot of experience  knowledge regarding producing bio
diesel as well as what to use to do so. Therefore If you believe jatropha is
not the way to go it would be greatly appreciated if you would say so  why
you think so, because as I have said before we are asking for advice and if
you have reasons to believe that jatropha is unsuitable I would like to know
about them so as to enable us to make a fully enlightened decision.


Kind regards.

Isabel.


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[Biofuel] fear of an informed public

2005-12-04 Thread marilyn
The following was sent to me and seemed relevant to recent discussions on 
this list about efforts to control the dissemination of news and information.
Marilyn

Dear Friend:

A host of recent developments have made it clear that the Bush White House 
is doing battle with the journalistic standards and practices that underpin our 
democracy. With its unprecedented campaign to undermine and stifle 
independent journalism, Bush  Co. have demonstrated brazen contempt for 
the Constitution and considerable fear of an informed public.

Free Press has launched a campaign at http://www.freepress.net/presswar to 
chronicle and combat Bush's war on the press. Today, we published a new 
report showing the scope and intensity of the administration's assault on 
press freedoms. The growing list of attacks on the press is truly astonishing:

1. Infiltrating Public Broadcasting

White House loyalists inside the Corporation for Public Broadcasting have 
launched a crusade to remake PBS, NPR and other public media into official 
mouthpieces. Kenneth Tomlinson's tenure at the CPB was characterized by 
targeting journalists like Bill Moyers who dared to air dissenting voices or 
prepare investigative reports on the administration.

Tomlinson's goal was clearly to fire a shot across the bow of all public 
stations 
so managers would shy away from the sort of investigative journalism that 
might expose Bush administration malfeasance. Tomlinson resigned in 
disgrace but left behind a cast of cronies to carry out his partisan crusade. 
And we still don't know the extent to which Karl Rove and others at the White 
House orchestrated his efforts.

2. Manufacturing Fake News

Under Bush administration directives, at least 20 federal agencies have 
produced and distributed scores of video news releases out of a $254 
million slush fund set up to manufacture taxpayer-funded propaganda. These 
bogus and deceptive stories have been broadcast on TV stations nationwide 
without any acknowledgment that they were prepared by the government 
rather than local journalists.

The segments - which trumpeted administration “successes,” promoted its 
controversial line on issues like overhauling Medicare, and featured 
Americans thanking Bush - have been repeatedly labeled covert 
propaganda by investigators at the Government Accountability Office.

3. Bribing Journalists

The administration has paid pundits to sing its praises. Earlier this year, TV 
commentator Armstrong Williams pocketed $240,000 in taxpayer money to 
laud Bush's education policies. Three other journalists have since been 
discovered on the government dole; and Williams admits that he has no 
doubt that other paid Bush shills are still on the loose.

The administration has even exported these tactics. According to the Los 
Angeles Times, the U.S. military is now secretly paying Iraqi newspapers to 
publish stories written by American troops.

4. Lying about the Iraq War

The White House saw the battle for domestic popular opinion as one of the 
main fronts in the war in Iraq. With the help of a compliant media, truth 
became the first casualty in their campaign to whip up support. But rather than 
admit to their lies and misinformation, the administration continues to attack 
those reporting the truth.

As Frank Rich recently wrote in the New York Times, the administration's web 
of half-truths and falsehoods used to sell the war did not happen by accident; 
it was woven by design and then foisted on the public by a P.R. operation 
built expressly for that purpose in the White House.

5. Eliminating Dissent in the Mainstream Media

Bush has all but avoided traditional press conferences, closing down a prime 
venue for holding the executive accountable. On those rare occasions when 
he deigned to meet reporters, presidential aides turned the press conferences 
into parodies by seating a friendly right-wing “journalist,” former male escort 
Jeff Gannon, amid the reporters and then steering questions to him when 
tough issues arose.

They have effectively silenced serious questioners, like veteran journalist 
Helen Thomas, by refusing to have the president or his aides call on reporters 
who challenge them. And they have established a hierarchy for journalists 
seeking interviews with administration officials, which favors networks that 
give the White House favorable coverage.

6. Gutting the Freedom of Information Act

The administration has scrapped enforcement of the Freedom of Information 
Act and has made it harder for reporters to do their jobs by refusing to 
cooperate with even the most basic requests for comment and data from 
government agencies. This is part of a broader clampdown on access to 
information that has made it virtually impossible for journalists to cover vast 
areas of government activity.

7. Consolidating Media Control

The administration continues to make common cause with the most powerful 
broadcast corporations in an effort to rewrite ownership

Re: [Biofuel] US Guvmint to tax alternate fuel vehicles?

2005-12-03 Thread marilyn
Keith  wrote:

Prohibition in the US wasn't exactly a resounding success, it just 
drove it underground and boosted organised crime. I've read that the 
consumption of alcohol went up, by as much as 80% some have said. The 
attraction of the illicit.

Some interesting related info: 
In researching the history of alcohol fuel I learned the prohibition movement 
was primarily funded by JD Rockefeller. At the time alcohol was the dominant 
fuel in the US and he had found out that the byproduct of petroleum they had 
been pouring into rivers could be made into gasoline and used for vehicle 
fuels. He funded the Women's Christian Temperance Union to help make 
drinking alcohol illegal. They took their hatchets into bars and broke bottles 
and kegs and caused a big ruckus that led to the Constitutional amendment 
outlawing drinking alcohol. He also funded enough Congressional campaigns 
to get supporting legislation to shift the balance from alcohol fuel toward 
gasoline. By the time the new amendment overruled prohibition, Standard Oil 
had consolidated its market.

During Jimmy Carter's presidency there was a big push for homegrown 
alcohol. We easily got a permit and made it in our barn with our home-built 
equipment. Carter sent people to see how we little guys were doing. His man 
liked our operation so much he hired Jock to take his still to the government 
sponsored alternate energy fairs and teach farmers how to make their own 
stills and fuel. One man came up to him after he said why alcohol was so 
much better than oil and told him, “If you keep talking like that you won't be 
around very long.” Someone told Jock he was from Shell Oil. Maybe he was 
also talking about Carter, who was the biggest alternate energy president we 
ever had. He lasted only one term, partially due to a major oil country, Iran, 
who took American hostages and brokered a deal to release them only after 
Reagan was elected. Another victory for big oil.

Marilyn





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Re: [Biofuel] exclusive: Bush Plot To Bomb His Arab Ally

2005-11-30 Thread marilyn
Joe Street wrote:

I'm no expert, but it seems to me that there are agreements with 
countries around the world, like the Geneva convention, and who knows 
what else, that prohibit attacking citizens, public infrastructure, 
utilities..

I'm sure that someone more knowledgeable will chime in.


Agreeing to be part of the UN is supposed to mean agreeing not to wage 
preemptive war. The British are having arguments at high levels in 
government about the illegality of the Iraq invasion. The article below by an 
American law professor also talks about treaties, agreements  and 
international law being ignored:

Reaping the Whirlwind: Departures from International Law Helped Create 
Climate for Iraq Prison Abuses

JURIST Guest Columnist Michael Kelly of Creighton University School of Law 
says the Bush Administration's general disregard for international treaties and 
standards facilitated an atmosphere in which US personnel could flout the 
Geneva Conventions and abuse Iraqi prisoners...

The Bush Administration has consistently signaled for three and a half years 
that international law does not matter. The American military and civilian 
personnel at Abu Ghraib prison in Baghdad apparently received that signal 
loud and clear. Not only did they fail to follow the requirements of the Geneva 
Convention on Treatment of POW's, according to the Red Cross, no copies of 
the treaty were to be found on-site.

The list of high-profile treaties broken or withdrawn by this government is a 
long one that includes denunciation of the Rome Statute creating the 
International Criminal Court, pulling out of the Kyoto Protocol to diminish 
ozone-depleting gases, and unilateral withdrawal from the Anti-Ballistic 
Missile Treaty over initial Russian objections. An overwhelming majority of 
nations condemned each of these moves as irresponsible and self-serving, 
but Washington paid little heed - steadfastly pursuing short-term political 
gains instead of America's long-term global interests. International law was 
undermined and flouted. 

When the invasion of Iraq became a front-burner issue, the world implored the 
Bush Administration not to do it, threatening everything from vetoes in the UN 
to political recrimination. America again disregarded the objections and went 
forward. The Security Council was subverted in the process and a creaky pre-
World War II theory of justified pre-emptive strikes was resurrected. Again 
international law was cast aside.
 
When questions arose as to whether Geneva Convention protections would 
be extended to those captured in Afghanistan, President Bush dismissed the 
landmark 55-year-old treaty regime as a series of “legalisms” he would 
consider in making his decision. 

This unapologetic pattern of discounting the importance of international law 
helped create an environment where it could easily by disregarded by those 
who were supposed to follow it. That subtle message was especially potent 
when coupled with the specific message to extract all information possible out 
of detainees to help further the war on terrorism. 

How can the privates and sergeants on the ground at Abu Ghraib be faulted 
for following the lead of their commander-in-chief? They can be faulted 
because they should be regarded as rational, thinking human beings - the 
same as those they tortured. The fact that international law was simply 
disregarded made the process easier, but no more excusable. 

America has begun to reap the whirlwind of its policy-line ignoring 
international law. It is held in the lowest regard foreign nations have had for 
it 
in decades, and it suffers from diminished standing worldwide. The abuses at 
Abu Ghraib are a particularly ugly gust of that whirlwind that has blown back 
in Washington's face. Re-embracing international law and the United Nations 
(and the unique legitimacy each can bestow) could help us weather and 
avoid the fury of such storms.

Michael Kelly is Associate Professor of Law of International Law at Creighton 
University School of Law in Omaha, Nebraska, and the co-author of Equal 
Justice in the Balance, Assessing America's Legal Responses to the 
Emerging Terrorist Threat (University of Michigan Press 2004). 

May 19, 2004

http://jurist.law.pitt.edu/forumy/2004/05/reaping-whirlwind-departures-
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Re: [Biofuel] exclusive: Bush Plot To Bomb His Arab Ally

2005-11-30 Thread marilyn
Thanks for the correction, Joe. I will be more careful from now on to be sure 
who I am quoting. Is it OK to just say Biofuel@sustainablelists.org wrote: 
and 
not mention a name when including a response? I'm glad you liked the post 
otherwise. I don't blame Keith for being a little testy. We all are these days 
with 
what is going on in the world.
Marilyn


Note: Forwarded Email Message Below:

Yeah I didn't write that Marilyn.  I did respond to that post though.  
You must have replied to my post and snipped out my response which I 
have copied below after the post you erroneously attribute to me.  Keith 
hates it when people do that.  I've done it too by accident. Be careful 
Keith seems a little testy these days especially about the archives 
BTW great post otherwise :-)

I'm no expert, but it seems to me that there are agreements with 
countries around the world, like the Geneva convention, and who knows 
what else, that prohibit attacking citizens, public infrastructure, 
utilities..

I'm sure that someone more knowledgeable will chime in.


Well what about the military action taken on the Faluja General 
Hospital?  That was an undisputable violation of the Geneva convention.  
The US government is clearly guilty of international war crimes.  I 
don't understand why the people of that country are not doing anything 
about this.  There are plenty of grounds for impeachment without anyone 
getting thier lips dirty!

Joe

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Joe Street wrote:
  

I'm no expert, but it seems to me that there are agreements with 
countries around the world, like the Geneva convention, and who knows 
what else, that prohibit attacking citizens, public infrastructure, 
utilities..

I'm sure that someone more knowledgeable will chime in.




Agreeing to be part of the UN is supposed to mean agreeing not to wage 
preemptive war. The British are having arguments at high levels in 
government about the illegality of the Iraq invasion. The article below by an 
American law professor also talks about treaties, agreements  and 
international law being ignored:

Reaping the Whirlwind: Departures from International Law Helped Create 
Climate for Iraq Prison Abuses

JURIST Guest Columnist Michael Kelly of Creighton University School of 
Law 
says the Bush Administration's general disregard for international treaties 
and 
standards facilitated an atmosphere in which US personnel could flout the 
Geneva Conventions and abuse Iraqi prisoners...

The Bush Administration has consistently signaled for three and a half 
years 
that international law does not matter. The American military and civilian 
personnel at Abu Ghraib prison in Baghdad apparently received that signal 
loud and clear. Not only did they fail to follow the requirements of the 
Geneva 
Convention on Treatment of POW's, according to the Red Cross, no copies 
of 
the treaty were to be found on-site.

The list of high-profile treaties broken or withdrawn by this government is a 
long one that includes denunciation of the Rome Statute creating the 
International Criminal Court, pulling out of the Kyoto Protocol to diminish 
ozone-depleting gases, and unilateral withdrawal from the Anti-Ballistic 
Missile Treaty over initial Russian objections. An overwhelming majority of 
nations condemned each of these moves as irresponsible and self-serving, 
but Washington paid little heed - steadfastly pursuing short-term political 
gains instead of America's long-term global interests. International law was 
undermined and flouted. 

When the invasion of Iraq became a front-burner issue, the world implored 
the 
Bush Administration not to do it, threatening everything from vetoes in the 
UN 
to political recrimination. America again disregarded the objections and 
went 
forward. The Security Council was subverted in the process and a creaky 
pre-
World War II theory of justified pre-emptive strikes was resurrected. Again 
international law was cast aside.
 
When questions arose as to whether Geneva Convention protections would 
be extended to those captured in Afghanistan, President Bush dismissed the 
landmark 55-year-old treaty regime as a series of legalisms he would 
consider in making his decision. 

This unapologetic pattern of discounting the importance of international law 
helped create an environment where it could easily by disregarded by those 
who were supposed to follow it. That subtle message was especially potent 
when coupled with the specific message to extract all information possible 
out 
of detainees to help further the war on terrorism. 

How can the privates and sergeants on the ground at Abu Ghraib be faulted 
for following the lead of their commander-in-chief? They can be faulted 
because they should be regarded as rational, thinking human beings - the 
same as those they tortured. The fact that international law was simply 
disregarded made the process

Re: [Biofuel] Exclusive: Bush Plot To Bomb His Arab Ally

2005-11-30 Thread marilyn
This news item was also shown on the BBC news last night (Tues 11/29), 
including a  shot of David Keogh being arrested for leaking the information. 
This may help those who think the story is phony to rethink their opinion.

Biofuel@sustainablelists.org wrote:
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article2.htm

Exclusive: Bush Plot To Bomb His Arab Ally

Madness of war memo

By Kevin Maguire And Andy Lines

11/22/05 The Mirror -- -- PRESIDENT Bush planned to bomb Arab TV 
station al-Jazeera in friendly Qatar, a Top Secret No 10 memo 
reveals.

But he was talked out of it at a White House summit by Tony Blair, 
who said it would provoke a worldwide backlash.

A source said: There's no doubt what Bush wanted, and no doubt Blair 
didn't want him to do it. Al-Jazeera is accused by the US of 
fuelling the Iraqi insurgency.

The attack would have led to a massacre of innocents on the territory 
of a key ally, enraged the Middle East and almost certainly have 
sparked bloody retaliation.

A source said last night: The memo is explosive and hugely damaging to 
Bush.

He made clear he wanted to bomb al-Jazeera in Qatar and elsewhere. 
Blair replied that would cause a big problem.

There's no doubt what Bush wanted to do - and no doubt Blair didn't 
want him to do it.

A Government official suggested that the Bush threat had been 
humorous, not serious.

But another source declared: Bush was deadly serious, as was Blair. 
That much is absolutely clear from the language used by both men.

Yesterday former Labour Defence Minister Peter Kilfoyle challenged 
Downing Street to publish the five-page transcript of the two 
leaders' conversation. He said: It's frightening to think that such 
a powerful man as Bush can propose such cavalier actions.

I hope the Prime Minister insists this memo be published. It gives 
an insight into the mindset of those who were the architects of war.

Bush disclosed his plan to target al-Jazeera, a civilian station with 
a huge Mid-East following, at a White House face-to-face with Mr 
Blair on April 16 last year.

At the time, the US was launching an all-out assault on insurgents in 
the Iraqi town of Fallujah.

Al-Jazeera infuriated Washington and London by reporting from behind 
rebel lines and broadcasting pictures of dead soldiers, private 
contractors and Iraqi victims.

The station, watched by millions, has also been used by bin Laden and 
al-Qaeda to broadcast atrocities and to threaten the West.

Al-Jazeera's HQ is in the business district of Qatar's capital, Doha.

Its single-storey buildings would have made an easy target for 
bombers. As it is sited away from residential areas, and more than 10 
miles from the US's desert base in Qatar, there would have been no 
danger of collateral damage.

Dozens of al-Jazeera staff at the HQ are not, as many believe, 
Islamic fanatics. Instead, most are respected and highly trained 
technicians and journalists.

To have wiped them out would have been equivalent to bombing the BBC 
in London and the most spectacular foreign policy disaster since the 
Iraq War itself.

The No 10 memo now raises fresh doubts over US claims that previous 
attacks against al-Jazeera staff were military errors.

In 2001 the station's Kabul office was knocked out by two smart 
bombs. In 2003, al-Jazeera reporter Tareq Ayyoub was killed in a US 
missile strike on the station's Baghdad centre.

The memo, which also included details of troop deployments, turned up 
in May last year at the Northampton constituency office of then 
Labour MP Tony Clarke.

Cabinet Office civil servant David Keogh, 49, is accused under the 
Official Secrets Act of passing it to Leo O'Connor, 42, who used to 
work for Mr Clarke. Both are bailed to appear at Bow Street court 
next week.

Mr Clarke, who lost at the election, returned the memo to No 10.

He said Mr O'Connor had behaved perfectly correctly.

Neither Mr O'Connor or Mr Keogh were available. No 10 did not comment.

Copyright - The Mirror
 

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Re: [Biofuel] New question on oil seed crops and ley farming

2005-11-27 Thread marilyn


Biofuel@sustainablelists.org wrote:
Hi Andres,

You raised an interesting point below (on 3rd Oct, sorry for late 
reply)about my assertion that there is currently no reliable 
evidence to suggest that plants feel pain.
snip
I say wait a while, we'll find they do. Science advances slowly, 
with many stumbles along the road, and many dead ends as well. 
(Andres)
snip

I'm not saying the following is true, but someone told me about a 
book on the subject of plant pain called The Secret Life of 
Plants This book and other articles on plants tell of experiments 
that attached to laboratory plants a technology of the type used in 
lie detectors that is extremely sensitive to the tiniest movement. 
When a person burned the plant or harmed it in other ways it 
recoiled strongly. Later when that person would enter the room the 
plants would react the same way, but not to other people. Also, they 
attached these devices to people's plants in their homes and the 
people wrote down their feelings all day and noted the time. At the 
end of each day they compared the recorded feelings with the plant 
reactions recorded on the technology. They were amazed to see that 
plant movement aligned with certain emotions, even when the people 
were on a long trip.

Google brings up over 87,000 sites on this topic if you want to hear 
from someone who knows something about this. I only know what I was 
told by a friend.

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[Biofuel] What became of hydrogen from water inventors

2005-10-31 Thread marilyn

There was a biofuel email a while back about what happened to 
the people who had invented inexpensive ways to get hydrogen 
energy from water. I tried to find it in the JTF archives, but could 
not. Does anyone know where to find it? I'd appreciate your help.
Thanks,
Marilyn

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Re: [Biofuel] Jatropha Curcas

2005-10-30 Thread marilyn

Biofuel@sustainablelists.org wrote:
We are thinking of planting Jatropha Curcas trees  using earth 
worms tocompost waste, the compost we get from the worms 
we will use for the Jatropha trees.

This URL has a very good article on jatropha's benefits as a fuel 
and for other things.

http://www.ecoworld.org/Home/Articles2.cfm?TID=356http://w
ww.ecowor  ld.org/Home/Articles2.cfm?TID=356 

Europe Adopts Biodiesel CAN AN AFRICAN BEAN CRACK 
EUROPE'S BIODIESEL BLOCKAGE? By Candida Jones A row of 
Jatropha trees - plants with potential to alleviate fuel shortages

Editor's Note: Jatropha is an example of a plant that could be 
grown  even if it didn't yield biofuel. It is useful for restoring soil,  
combatting desertification, and providing fertilizer. It requires  
minimal inputs of water and grows in extremely poor soil.

Any plant that is a cash crop anyway and costs almost nothing to 
grow  can't be a bad candidate for an economically viable biofuel. 

(See URL above for the rest.)
 

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Re: [Biofuel] Imagine if we could invent grid tied PV systems

2005-10-14 Thread marilyn
Biofuel@sustainablelists.org wrote:
Rexis Tree wrote:


 M, change the white house roof top to solar panel is a 
good idea.

President Carter put solar panels on the White House. Reagan 
removed them when he moved in.

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Re: [Biofuel] US army plans to bulk-buy anthrax

2005-09-28 Thread marilyn
Keith Addison wrote:
By the way, whatever happened to all those folks who were 
arrested for the anthrax attacks in 2001?

Exerpts below from two articles in 2002 shed some light on his 
question:

1) Thinking the Unthinkable...Was the Anthrax an Inside Job?

Investigative journalist Wayne Madsen details mounting 
evidence that the source of the anthrax was a top secret U.S. 
Army laboratory in Maryland, and that the perpetrators involve 
high-level officials in the U.S. military and intelligence 
infrastructure. On March 23, the FBI officially announced that 
exhaustive testing did not support that anthrax was present 
anywhere the hijackers had been. If not the hijackers, who 
would have the capability to produce and disseminate the high 
grade anthrax? Is it mere coincidence that the new Director of the 
National Institutes of Health (NIH) approved the questionable 
use of anthrax vaccine on military personnel? Or that Harvard 
biophysics scientist and anthrax expert Dr. Don C. Wiley met with 
a very suspicious demise just a month after the attacks first 
began? Those questions only scratch the surface!  When will the 
Bush Administration's investigations start producing 
long-overdue results??

Full article at:
http://www.counterpunch.com/madsenanthrax.html

2) FBI ‘guilty of cover-up’ over anthrax suspect 

At a time when the Bush administration is beefing up America’s 
Homeland Security defences any indication of progress by the 
FBI should be good news, but one prominent and 
well-respected biowarfare expert believes the FBI has not only 
known the identity of the terrorist for months but has conspired 
with other branches of the US government to keep it secret. 

Dr Barbara Hatch Rosenberg, director of the biological warfare 
division at the Federation of American Scientists, first accused 
the FBI of foot-dragging in February with a scathing investigation 
that included a portrait of the possible perpetrator so detailed 
that it could only match one person. 

Rosenberg said she knows who that person is and so do a 
top-level clique of US government scientists, the CIA, the FBI and 
the White House. 

Early in the investigation, Rosenberg told Scotland on Sunday, 
a number of inside experts, at least five that I know about, gave 
the FBI the name of one specific person as the most likely 
suspect. That person fits the FBI profile in most respects. He 
has the right skills, experience with anthrax, up-to-date anthrax 
vaccination, forensic training, and access to the US Army Medical 
Research Institute for Infectious Diseases (AMRIID) and its 
biological agents through 2001. 

Rosenberg’s profile suggests that the suspect is a middle-aged 
scientist with a doctoral degree who works for a CIA contractor in 
Washington DC. She adds he has to know or have worked 
closely with Bill Patrick, the weapons researcher who holds five 
secret patents on how to produce weapons-grade anthrax, that 
he suffered a career setback last summer that embittered him 
and precipitated his campaign and that he has already been 
investigated by the FBI. 

Most crucially, she believes the suspect has in the past actually 
conducted experiments for the government to test the response 
of the police and civil agencies to a bioterror attack. 

It has been part of the suspect’s job to devise bioterror 
scenarios, Rosenberg said. Some of these are on record. He 
is known to have acted out at least one of them, in hoax form, 
perhaps as part of an assignment to test responses. Some hoax 
events that have never been solved, including several 
hoax-anthrax events, also correspond to his scenarios and are 
consistent with his whereabouts. 

The question she wants the FBI and the Bush administration to 
answer is, why it has taken so long to arrest this man? In the 
unlikely event that the government divulges all it knows about 
what she now believes to be a full blown cover-up, Rosenberg 
said responsibility can be expected to fall on a number of 
government agencies, all with a vested interest in shielding the 
truth. 

Either the FBI is under pressure from the Pentagon or CIA not to 
proceed because the suspect knows too much and must be 
controlled forever from the moment of arrest, she said, or the 
FBI is sympathetic to the views of the biodefence clique or the 
FBI really is as incompetent as it seems. 

Rosenberg’s analysis suggests a combination of all three. The 
American defence establishment guards its secrets well and 
given the suspect’s covert work on their behalf their reluctance to 
see him publicly exposed appears natural. 

Equally there is evidence that some of the suspect’s colleagues 
are not unhappy with the fallout from his terror attacks. 
Rosenberg cites David Franz, a former commander of USAMRIID 
who earlier this year said of the anthrax campaign: I think a lot of 
good has come from it. From a biological or a medical 
standpoint, we’ve now five people who have died, but we’ve put 
about $6bn in our 

Re: [Biofuel] hydrogen vehicles, WAS freiburg solar house

2005-09-27 Thread marilyn
Hakan wrote:
 snip
I think that hydrogen for transport is a dead duck and a very
bad idea, when resources are needed and should be spent on
more viable solutions.

China is making a big push for hydrogen vehicles. A relative of a 
Chinese friend of mine is in charge of preparing for all China's 
vehicles to run on hydrogen, starting with government-owned 
fleets. If they can do it, why can't we?


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Re: [Biofuel] Rove to rebuild New Orleans

2005-09-19 Thread marilyn
Biofuel@sustainablelists.org wrote:
So according to the New York Times, Carl Rove is in charge of
rebuilding New Orleans??

I think I'm going to be sick.

http://select.nytimes.com/2005/09/19/opinion/19herbert.html?hp;

..and equally mystifying, the same article says Pat Robertson's 
charitable organization is prominently listed on the FEMA Web 
site to receive donations. If more religious organizations 
advocate bumping off foreign leaders, maybe they'll be 
recommended to:

WHEN there's money on the line, cronies always come first in 
this White House, no matter how great the human suffering. After 
Katrina, the FEMA Web site directing charitable contributions 
prominently listed Operation Blessing, a Pat Robertson kitty that, 
according to I.R.S. documents obtained by ABC News, has given 
more than half of its yearly cash donations to Mr. Robertson's 
Christian Broadcasting Network. If FEMA is that cavalier about 
charitable donations, imagine what it's doing with the $62 billion 
(so far) of taxpayers' money sent its way for Katrina relief.

Full article below:

New York Times

September 18, 2005

Message: I Care About the Black Folks 
By FRANK RICH

ONCE Toto parts the curtain, the Wizard of Oz can never be the 
wizard again. He is forever Professor Marvel, blowhard and 
snake-oil salesman. Hurricane Katrina, which is likely to endure 
in the American psyche as long as L. Frank Baum's mythic 
tornado, has similarly unmasked George W. Bush. 

The worst storm in our history proved perfect for exposing this 
president because in one big blast it illuminated all his failings: 
the rampant cronyism, the empty sloganeering of 
compassionate conservatism, the lack of concern for the 
underprivileged his mother condescended to at the Astrodome, 
the reckless lack of planning for all government operations 
except tax cuts, the use of spin and photo-ops to camouflage 
failure and to substitute for action.

In the chaos unleashed by Katrina, these plot strands coalesced 
into a single tragic epic played out in real time on television. The 
narrative is just too powerful to be undone now by the 
administration's desperate recycling of its greatest hits: a return 
Sunshine Boys tour by the surrogate empathizers Clinton and 
Bush I, another round of prayers at the Washington National 
Cathedral, another ludicrously overhyped prime-time address 
flecked with speechwriters' poetry and framed by a picturesque 
backdrop. Reruns never eclipse a riveting new show. 

Nor can the president's acceptance of responsibility for the 
disaster dislodge what came before. Mr. Bush didn't cough up 
his modified-limited mea culpa until he'd seen his whole 
administration flash before his eyes. His admission that some 
of the buck may stop with him (about a dime's worth, in Truman 
dollars) came two weeks after the levees burst and five years 
after he promised to usher in a new post-Clinton culture of 
responsibility. It came only after the plan to heap all the blame 
on the indeed blameworthy local Democrats failed to lift Mr. 
Bush's own record-low poll numbers. It came only after 
America's highest-rated TV news anchor, Brian Williams, started 
talking about Katrina the way Walter Cronkite once did about 
Vietnam. 

Taking responsibility, as opposed to paying lip service to doing 
so, is not in this administration's gene pool. It was particularly 
shameful that Laura Bush was sent among the storm's 
dispossessed to try to scapegoat the news media for her 
husband's ineptitude. When she complained of seeing a lot of 
the same footage over and over that isn't necessarily 
representative of what really happened, the first lady sounded 
just like Donald Rumsfeld shirking responsibility for the looting 
of Baghdad. The defense secretary, too, griped about seeing the 
same picture over and over on television (a looter with a vase) 
to hide the reality that the Pentagon had no plan to secure Iraq, a 
catastrophic failure being paid for in Iraqi and American blood to 
this day. 

This White House doesn't hate all pictures, of course. It loves 
those by Karl Rove's Imagineers, from the spectacularly lighted 
Statue of Liberty backdrop of Mr. Bush's first 9/11 anniversary 
speech to his Top Gun stunt to Thursday's laughably stagy 
stride across the lawn to his lectern in Jackson Square. 
(Message: I am a leader, not that vacationing slacker who first 
surveyed the hurricane damage from my presidential jet.) 

The most odious image-mongering, however, has been Mr. 
Bush's repeated deployment of African-Americans as dress 
extras to advertise his compassion. In 2000, the Republican 
convention filled the stage with break dancers and gospel 
singers, trying to dispel the memory of Mr. Bush's craven 
appearance at Bob Jones University when it forbade interracial 
dating. (The few blacks in the convention hall itself were 
positioned near celebrities so they'd show up in TV shots.) In 
2004, the Bush-Cheney campaign Web site had a page 

Re: [Biofuel] changing trash into fuel

2005-09-16 Thread marilyn
Andy wrote:
“If interested, I can find links to those doing it.”

I am interested because I’m building a database of energy and 
food production information for a group creating a model farm to 
train people in food, fuel and energy self-reliance. Thanks, Andy.
Marilyn

Andy also wrote:
“Anyone who says they have an operational unit is looking for 
stock 'investors', and I would be leery of giving more than 10 
cents.”

Some of the companies mentioned in the article are pretty big, 
so there must be something worth investing in:

 Companies including privately owned Westinghouse Plasma
 Corp., spun off from Westinghouse Corp., Georgia-based
 Geoplasma, LLC, and British-based Tetronics Plasma ionize 
air
 or other gases until they conduct electricity.

 Hitachi Metals along with
 Utashinai City, helped build the first plasma plant, which
 produces 8 megawatts of power by torching auto waste.

 Startech signed a $1.3 million contract last fall with Japan's
 Mihama Inc. to break down PCBs. In February, it signed a $34
 million deal with Italian company FP Immobiliare to torch
 computer waste.




Biofuel@sustainablelists.org wrote:
I've seen this before, and it works.  Worked about a year on a 
similar
project.  The problem, as I see it, is what energy source is strong
enough to create the plasma?  If you believe in the law of 
conservation
of energy (which I do) then you need either a big wire to the 
power
plant, or else a VERY LARGE solar collection system to make 
enough
power.  We experimented with a 450kw marine diesel generator.  
I don't
remember the numbers but can tell you this: starting with say, 
10-20
gallons of (water, anti-freeze, pig manure, whatever) you could 
run
creating about 15-20 SCFM of Hydrogen gas with CO and other 
trace
hydrocarbon gases.  A great amount of heat is also generated 
(about
400kW).  So, unless you have a use for the heat, you have 
created 400 kW
worth of (waste) heat and about 50 kW worth of gas.  And that 
assumes no
other losses.  Then you must collect, filter and compress the 
collected
gas.  Is that free?
Anyone who says they have an operational unit is looking for 
stock
'investors', and I would be leery of giving more than 10 cents.  
Yes, it
can be done, but is economically infeasible, IMHO.  
Also note: the waste material you are reacting in the plasma 
reactor
doesn't go away fast.  Run all day and you'll loose about 5 
gallons?
(maybe 10? OK, 20)  We're talking about running a half meg 
generator to
make 10 gallons (if that) go away?  If interested, I can find links 
to
those doing it.

Andy



Message: 7
Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 14:31:36 -0600
From: Zeke Yewdall [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] changing trash into fuel
To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
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http://www.nrel.gov/csp/lab_capabilities.html#hfsf
I had read a few years ago about NREL using their solar furnace 
to
turn waste into plasma.  At the time they were just trying new 
ideas
to get rid of toxic waste, but solar is a possible fuel source for a
plasma reduction unit that doesn't use electricity.  At the time they
were saying that this concentrator could produce the hottest man 
made
temperature outside of a hydrogen bomb.  I saw a piece of 1/2 
high
strength steel sheet with a 2 hole blasted through the middle in
about two and a half seconds.

On 9/15/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 The plasma torch system of changing trash into fuel appears 
to
 be catching on in Japan. This article says it can produce three 
to
 four times as much energy in carbon-rich gas, and 50% more
 energy than it uses in the form of hydrogen gas. Does anyone
 know more about it?
 
 
htmttp://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/2004-02-26-hot-garbage
 _x.htm
 
 Hot trash-to-fuel technology gathering steam By Timothy
 Gardner, Reuters
 
 NEW YORK ? Got garbage? Toxic trash? Zap it with a torch 
three
 times hotter than the sun and gather the resulting gas to fuel
 pollution-free cars and home power units.
 
 It may seem like an idea out of a mad scientist's notebook, but
 the method ? known as plasma torch technology ? is gaining
 acceptance with governments and corporations, especially
 those with growing waste problems.
 
 If you can reduce trash and at the same time produce a 
valuable
 gas, more power to you, said Charles Russomanno, a U.S.
 Department of Energy renewable energy expert.
 
 Hospital waste, municipal trash and polychlorinated biphenyls
 (PCBs), an industrial compound suspected of causing cancer,
 all can be blasted with a plasma torch to make gases that can
 be burned to produce electricity.
 
 Companies including privately owned Westinghouse Plasma
 Corp., spun off from Westinghouse Corp., Georgia-based
 Geoplasma, LLC, and British-based Tetronics Plasma ionize 
air
 or other gases until they conduct electricity. The process is
 similar to what goes on in a fluorescent lightbulb ? only at an
 extreme temperature

[Biofuel] changing trash into fuel

2005-09-15 Thread marilyn
The plasma torch system of changing trash into fuel appears to 
be catching on in Japan. This article says it can produce three to 
four times as much energy in carbon-rich gas, and 50% more 
energy than it uses in the form of hydrogen gas. Does anyone 
know more about it?

htmttp://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/2004-02-26-hot-garbage
_x.htm

Hot trash-to-fuel technology gathering steam By Timothy 
Gardner, Reuters

NEW YORK ó Got garbage? Toxic trash? Zap it with a torch three 
times hotter than the sun and gather the resulting gas to fuel 
pollution-free cars and home power units.

It may seem like an idea out of a mad scientist's notebook, but 
the method ó known as plasma torch technology ó is gaining 
acceptance with governments and corporations, especially 
those with growing waste problems.

If you can reduce trash and at the same time produce a valuable 
gas, more power to you, said Charles Russomanno, a U.S. 
Department of Energy renewable energy expert.

Hospital waste, municipal trash and polychlorinated biphenyls 
(PCBs), an industrial compound suspected of causing cancer, 
all can be blasted with a plasma torch to make gases that can 
be burned to produce electricity.

Companies including privately owned Westinghouse Plasma 
Corp., spun off from Westinghouse Corp., Georgia-based 
Geoplasma, LLC, and British-based Tetronics Plasma ionize air 
or other gases until they conduct electricity. The process is 
similar to what goes on in a fluorescent lightbulb ó only at an 
extreme temperature of 30,000 degrees Fahrenheit.

Plasma torches break waste into an obsidian-like stone, heavy 
metals that can be recovered for resale, and carbon and 
hydrogen-rich gases that burn like natural gas. One company, 
Startech Environmental, takes the process a step further, refining 
the gas through a membrane to make pure hydrogen gas for fuel 
cells.

Hydrogen quest

Automobile and energy companies have invested billions of 
dollars in hydrogen fuel cells that produce power through a 
chemical reaction, with water vapor as the only byproduct.

President Bush has encouraged the race to hydrogen by 
seeking for next year's budget $228 million, a 43% increase, to 
develop fuel cell cars and suitable service stations. Last year, he 
launched a five-year, $1.2 billion research initiative with the aim 
of reducing dependence on foreign oil and putting fuel cell cars 
on the road by 2020.

Japan, where dumping costs are high, is becoming a world 
leader in plasma technology. In 2002, Hitachi Metals along with 
Utashinai City, helped build the first plasma plant, which 
produces 8 megawatts of power by torching auto waste.

Startech signed a $1.3 million contract last fall with Japan's 
Mihama Inc. to break down PCBs. In February, it signed a $34 
million deal with Italian company FP Immobiliare to torch 
computer waste. It has also offered to operate a free test unit to 
treat some of New York City's waste.

Where we put trash gets more expensive every day, said 
Carmen Cognetta, a counsel to the NYC Department of 
Sanitation.

New Mariners

Hydrogen is like seawater to the thirsty Ancient Mariner ó it's 
everywhere, but not in a usable form. It's the most abundant 
element in the universe, but separating it from oxygen in water 
takes large amounts of energy.

Currently, most hydrogen is produced at oil refineries to meet 
petrochemical refining needs, although the process is expensive 
and the yields are small.

The cheapest energy source for separating hydrogen is coal, but 
burning it can produce hazardous amounts of greenhouse 
gases and toxic compounds.

In the future, energy may be provided by solar and wind power, 
which for now are too pricey.

So, torch technologies have potential, says Columbia University 
geophysicist Klaus Lackner. They will provide an additional 
niche and if your hydrogen turns out to be cheaper than that of 
your competitor, then you have a great market.

Owen Connolly, director of product marketing at New York-based 
Plug Power Inc., a producer of fuel cell power systems, said 25 
cubic feet of hydrogen produces 1 kilowatt hour (KWH) of 
electricity from its power units.

If the 225 million U.S. car tires disposed of annually were zapped 
by Startech units, enough hydrogen would be produced to supply 
500,000 homes with electricity for an entire year.

The more toxic the garbage, the higher the tipping fees for 
municipalities and the more torch processors can collect.

New York City, which produces 12,000 tons of garbage per day 
and trucks it as far away as Ohio, will soon be seeking a cost 
evaluation from Startech and other companies, said Cognetta.

Some argue that using the torch requires almost as much 
energy as it produces. Startech's Chief Operating Officer Joseph 
Longo, however, said the system can produce three to four times 
as much energy in carbon-rich gas, and 50% more energy than it 
uses in the form of hydrogen gas.

That makes the technology, along with nuclear, wind 

[Biofuel] Bush: What didn't go right?

2005-09-08 Thread marilyn
Hard to believe, but the following is not a joke, but an acutal 
conversation reported today by Minority Leader of the House, 
Nancy Pelosi.

Pelosi said, I told Bush he should fire Brown as head of FEMA.
Bush answered, Why should I do that?
Pelosi responded, Because of all that went wrong last week.
Bush answered, What didn't go right?

A tragic reminder of how insulated the spin masters keep GW 
from the real world. His mother admitted in an interview that he 
doesn't read the news. When he was asked where he gets his 
news, he said he didn't need to read it because he gets it from 
the best possible source, his own staff. People who have left the 
administration admit that even cabinet members are not allowed 
to directly contact GW with memos, email or phone calls. The 
only time they can talk to him is in cabinet meetings. 

This man has been given by a spineless Congress the power to 
wage preemptive wars, to slash funding for disaster preparation, 
to enable giant corporations to increase control of agriculture 
worldwide, and to ignore disastrous impacts of global warming.  
When ingnorance of facts becomes the hallmark of a man with 
such powers, our world is in major trouble.



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[Biofuel] Red Cross still not allowed in New Orleans

2005-09-04 Thread marilyn
After reading on the internet that Homeland Security is not 
allowing the Red Cross in New Orleans to bring food, water and 
medical supplies, I called the Red Cross National Affairs 
number (202-303-5551) this morning and was told that this is 
true, but they are allowed to help ecacuees in Texas. I asked 
who is bringing these things to the desperate people still stuck 
there and was told the military is. She says many people are 
VERY upset about this. If you want to call the White House to 
express your outrage, their number is:

White House
Comments: 202-456-
Switchboard: 202-456-1414 
FAX: 202-456-2461

Marilyn

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Re: [Biofuel] Red Cross still not allowed in New Orleans

2005-09-04 Thread marilyn
They said because Homeland Security wanted to concentrate on 
only evacuating people, so would not allow anyone in to bring 
food, water and medical supplies except the military. I also heard 
a whole fleet of school buses was lined up 20 miles away ready 
to evacuate people, but Homeland Security wouldn't let them 
come in for 2 days because there weren't enough National 
Guard to put 1 on each bus. (They were busy in Iraq.)

Biofuel@sustainablelists.org wrote:
Did they say why?

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

After reading on the internet that Homeland Security is not 
allowing the Red Cross in New Orleans to bring food, water 
and 
medical supplies, I called the Red Cross National Affairs 
number (202-303-5551) this morning and was told that this is 
true, but they are allowed to help ecacuees in Texas. I asked 
who is bringing these things to the desperate people still stuck 
there and was told the military is. She says many people are 
VERY upset about this. If you want to call the White House to 
express your outrage, their number is:

White House
Comments: 202-456-
Switchboard: 202-456-1414 
FAX: 202-456-2461

Marilyn

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[Biofuel] funding cuts to flood control

2005-09-03 Thread marilyn
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/02/opinion/02krugman.html?ex
=1126324800en=73a1bb38aa83825eei=5070emc=eta1

September 2, 2005

A Can't-Do Government
By PAUL KRUGMAN

Before 9/11 the Federal Emergency Management Agency listed 
the three most likely catastrophic disasters facing America: a 
terrorist attack on New York, a major earthquake in San 
Francisco and a hurricane strike on New Orleans. The New 
Orleans hurricane scenario, The Houston Chronicle wrote in 
December 2001, may be the deadliest of all. It described a 
potential catastrophe very much like the one now happening.

So why were New Orleans and the nation so unprepared? After 
9/11, hard questions were deferred in the name of national unity, 
then buried under a thick coat of whitewash. This time, we need 
accountability.

First question: Why have aid and security taken so long to arrive? 
Katrina hit five days ago - and it was already clear by last Friday 
that Katrina could do immense damage along the Gulf Coast. 
Yet the response you'd expect from an advanced country never 
happened. Thousands of Americans are dead or dying, not 
because they refused to evacuate, but because they were too 
poor or too sick to get out without help - and help wasn't 
provided. Many have yet to receive any help at all.

There will and should be many questions about the response of 
state and local governments; in particular, couldn't they have 
done more to help the poor and sick escape? But the evidence 
points, above all, to a stunning lack of both preparation and 
urgency in the federal government's response. 

Even military resources in the right place weren't ordered into 
action. On Wednesday, said an editorial in The Sun Herald in 
Biloxi, Miss., reporters listening to horrific stories of death and 
survival at the Biloxi Junior High School shelter looked north 
across Irish Hill Road and saw Air Force personnel playing 
basketball and performing calisthenics. Playing basketball and 
performing calisthenics!

Maybe administration officials believed that the local National 
Guard could keep order and deliver relief. But many members of 
the National Guard and much of its equipment - including 
high-water vehicles - are in Iraq. The National Guard needs that 
equipment back home to support the homeland security 
mission, a Louisiana Guard officer told reporters several weeks 
ago.

Second question: Why wasn't more preventive action taken? After 
2003 the Army Corps of Engineers sharply slowed its 
flood-control work, including work on sinking levees. The corps, 
an Editor and Publisher article says, citing a series of articles in 
The Times-Picayune in New Orleans, never tried to hide the fact 
that the spending pressures of the war in Iraq, as well as 
homeland security - coming at the same time as federal tax cuts 
- was the reason for the strain.

In 2002 the corps' chief resigned, reportedly under threat of 
being fired, after he criticized the administration's proposed cuts 
in the corps' budget, including flood-control spending.

Third question: Did the Bush administration destroy FEMA's 
effectiveness? The administration has, by all accounts, treated 
the emergency management agency like an unwanted stepchild, 
leading to a mass exodus of experienced professionals.

Last year James Lee Witt, who won bipartisan praise for his 
leadership of the agency during the Clinton years, said at a 
Congressional hearing: I am extremely concerned that the 
ability of our nation to prepare for and respond to disasters has 
been sharply eroded. I hear from emergency managers, local 
and state leaders, and first responders nearly every day that the 
FEMA they knew and worked well with has now disappeared.

I don't think this is a simple tale of incompetence. The reason 
the military wasn't rushed in to help along the Gulf Coast is, I 
believe, the same reason nothing was done to stop looting after 
the fall of Baghdad. Flood control was neglected for the same 
reason our troops in Iraq didn't get adequate armor. 

At a fundamental level, I'd argue, our current leaders just aren't 
serious about some of the essential functions of government. 
They like waging war, but they don't like providing security, 
rescuing those in need or spending on preventive measures. 
And they never, ever ask for shared sacrifice.

Yesterday Mr. Bush made an utterly fantastic claim: that nobody 
expected the breach of the levees. In fact, there had been 
repeated warnings about exactly that risk.

So America, once famous for its can-do attitude, now has a 
can't-do government that makes excuses instead of doing its 
job. And while it makes those excuses, Americans are dying. 

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[Biofuel] Canadian help not allowed to fly in

2005-09-03 Thread marilyn
I was sent this blog item about Canadian help being denied 
entrance to flood areas. Did any Canadians hear the newscast? 
Anone know if it is true?

http://www.dailykos.com/

 US won't let Canada help Katrina victims
 by kos Wed Aug 31st, 2005 at 20:58:29 PDT

A specialized urban search and rescue team from Vancouver 
will be joining the rescue efforts in Louisiana in the wake of 
hurricane Katrina.

B.C. Solicitor General John Les said the province decided to 
send Vancouver Urban Search and Rescue (USAR) after officials 
in Louisiana asked for help.

We're the first non-U.S.-based team to be requested, said Les. 
They're going to be helping as many people as they can.

CTV Vancouver has learned that the team will board a plane 
Wednesday night heading to Lafayette, Louisiana, where local 
authorities will direct them to devastated areas.

 Sounds great! Except for one problem -- this team wasn't 
allowed to fly  into the US, blocked by Homeland Security from 
entering. A Canadian  reader sends this report:

On tonight's news, CTV (Canadian TV) said that support was 
offered from Canada. Planes are ready to load with food and 
medical supplies and a system called DART which can provide 
fresh water and medical supplies is standing by. Department of 
Homeland Security as well as other U.S. agencies were 
contacted by the Canadian government requesting permission 
to provide help. Despite this contact, Canada has not been 
allowed to fly supplies and personnel to the areas hit by Katrina. 
So, everything here is grounded. Prime Minister Paul Martin is 
reportedly trying to speak to President Bush tonight or tomorrow 
to ask him why the U.S. federal government will not allow aid 
from Canada into Louisiana and Mississippi. That said, the 
Canadian Red Cross is reportedly allowed into the area.

Canadian agencies are saying that foreign aid is probably not 
being permitted into Louisiana and Mississippi because of 
mass confusion at the U.S. federal level in the wake of the 
storm.

 Once the hard-hit region is back on its feet, there better be a full 
 accounting of the preparation and response to this catastrophe.



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[Biofuel] Sept 1 declared no buy gas day

2005-08-29 Thread marilyn
This was forwarded to me, so I am sending it to all of  you to 
forward if you want to.


It has been calculated that if everyone in the United States and 
Canada did not purchase a drop of gasoline for one day and all 
at the same time, the oil companies would choke on their 
stockpiles.

At the same time it would hit the entire industry with a net loss of 
over 4.6 billion dollars which affects the bottom lines of the oil 
companies.

Therefore September 1st has been formally declared stick it up 
their behind  day and the people of these two nations should not 
buy a single drop of gasoline that day.

The only way this can be done is if you forward this e-mail to as 
manypeople as you can and as quickly as you can to get the 
word out.

Waiting on the government to step in and control the prices is not 
going to happen. What happened to the reduction and control in 
prices that the Arab nations promised two weeks ago?

Remember one thing, not only is the price of gasoline going up 
but at the same time airlines are forced to raise their prices, 
trucking companies are forced to raise their prices which effects 
prices on everything that is shipped. Things like food, clothing, 
building materials, medical supplies, etc. Who pays in the end? 
We do!

We can make a difference. If they don't get the message after 
one day, we will do it again and again.

So do your part and spread the word. Forward this email to 
everyone you know.

Mark your calendars and make September 1st a day that the 
citizens of the United States and Canada say enough is 
enough



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Re: [Biofuel] Sept 1 declared no buy gas day

2005-08-29 Thread marilyn
effort to take  public transportation for a whole month.

Biofuel@sustainablelists.org wrote:
This is mostly an incorrect rumor. 
http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/nogas.asp - It'd better 
serve everyone to forward accurate information about 
alternatives to petroleum.

Thanks for the reply, and especially for the Snopes site. I hadn't 
heard if it. I will check it from now on.

I was concerned about the cost to the station owners, but 
wondered it it was part of a larger plan to start with a one day 
boycott as a symbol of protest, then move from there to a longer 
period that would have a major impact. I figured if anyone knew 
this, it would be this group.
Marilyn

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Re: [Biofuel] Sept 1 declared no buy gas day

2005-08-29 Thread marilyn
Biofuel@sustainablelists.org wrote:

11)  If you want to make a political statement, pick an oil 
company to boycott or support..

You all probably know this, but in case some don't, the following 
can help in choosing which ones you might decide to boycott:

Major companies that import Middle Eastern oil : 
Shell. 205,742,000 barrels 
Chevron/Texaco. 144,332,000 barrels 
Exxon /Mobil... 130,082,000 barrels 
Marathon/Speedway... 117,740,000 barrels 
Amoco62,231,000 barrels 

Some large companies that do not import Middle Eastern oil: 
Citgo...0 barrels 
Sunoco.0 barrels 
Conoco.0 barrels 
Sinclair.0 barrels 
BP/Phillips0 barrels 
Hess0 barrels 
ARCO...0 barrels 

All of this information is available from the Department of Energy 
and each is required to state where they get their oil and how 
much they are importing. 







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Re: [Biofuel] Sept 1 declared no buy gas day

2005-08-29 Thread marilyn
Thanks. I should have looked for this one on Snopes before I 
sent it.

Biofuel@sustainablelists.org wrote:
 You all probably know this, but in case some don't, the 
following 
 can help in choosing which ones you might decide to boycott:
 
 Major companies that import Middle Eastern oil : 
 Shell. 205,742,000 barrels 
 Chevron/Texaco. 144,332,000 barrels 
 Exxon /Mobil... 130,082,000 barrels 
 Marathon/Speedway... 117,740,000 barrels 
 Amoco62,231,000 barrels 
 
 Some large companies that do not import Middle Eastern oil: 
 Citgo...0 barrels 
 Sunoco.0 barrels 
 Conoco.0 barrels 
 Sinclair.0 barrels 
 BP/Phillips0 barrels 
 Hess0 barrels 
 ARCO...0 barrels 
 
 All of this information is available from the Department of 
Energy 
 and each is required to state where they get their oil and how 
 much they are importing. 

*sigh*

Yet another hoax.

First of all, the numbers are flat out wrong. Second, even if they 
were 
correct, oil is a fungible commodity, rendering any such boycott 
meaningless.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/saudigas.asp

jh

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Re: [Biofuel] Free Speech: Going, Going ...

2005-08-24 Thread marilyn
Free Speech: Going, Going ...
By Molly Ivins, AlterNet. Posted August 19, 2005.

snip
Molly said:
Sometimes you get a political case, like then-Gov. George W. 
Bush's  effort to stop a Bush-parody site on the Internet. The 
parody, run by  a 29-year-old computer programmer in Boston 
named Zack Exley, annoyed Bush so much that he called Exley 
a garbageman and said, There ought to be limits to freedom. 
(That's not a parody -- he actually said that.)

Bush's lawyers warned Exley that he faced a lawsuit. Then they 
filed a complaint with the Federal Elections Commission 
demanding that Exley be forced to register his parody site with 
the FEC and have it regulated as a political committee.

The site she refers to is:
http://gwbush.com/

Now the site is inactive but has a history of articles about it. They 
are asking for someone to sign up to keep it going. There was 
one point where a hacker transferred people who were on it to 
the official georgewbush.com site when flippingto a new page. It 
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Re: [Biofuel] Large crops, less nutrients

2005-08-23 Thread marilyn
Doug wrote:
Organically grown crops tend to have their nitrogen in complete 
proteins. Plants grown with large amounts of nitrogen fertilizer 
tend to have a certain content of free amino acids (the building 
blocks of proteins) in the plant sap which the plant-eating (juice 
sucking) insects find very convenient. It saves them considerable 
energy which they would otherwise have to use to chew leaves 
etc. and digest proteins.

The artice I quoted (Planet of the Plants By Glenn SchererPosted 
July 25, 2005) also said the things below about insects eating 
more because of nutrients dropping. I hope this is also 
something we can deal with.

Marilyn

CO2-induced nitrogen deficiency in plants has already been 
shown to  affect herbivorous insects and the carnivores that eat 
them. To make  up for the plunge in plant protein, some 
plant-eating insects must  dramatically increase their intake of 
vegetation. But unable to keep  up with the need to eat enough 
food, some bugs suffer increased  malnutrition, starvation, 
predation, and mortality, writes  evolutionary biologist David 
Seaborg in a recent issue of Earth  Island Journal.

When Western Michigan University entomologist David Karowe 
fed  cabbage white butterfly caterpillars leaves grown in an 
atmosphere  with double the earth's current CO2 levels, the 
insects ate about 40  percent more plant matter than under 
current atmospheric conditions.  But they still couldn't meet their 
dietary needs. Their growth rate  slowed by about 10 percent and 
their adult size was smaller. Peter  Stiling at the University of 
South Florida made similar findings for  leaf miners, insects that 
eat out tiny caverns in leaves where they  live. When they took up 
housekeeping in CO2-enriched leaves, the  insects had to eat 
out 20 percent larger leaf homes. But the bugs  were still twice 
as likely to die of starvation as insects living at  today's CO2 
levels.

As serious as these results seem, no one should jump to 
conclusions,  says William Mattson, chief insect ecologist with 
the U.S. Forest  Service in Rhinelander, Wis. He has spent the 
past five years  monitoring 10 insect species and found they 
react differently to  raised CO2 levels and lowered nitrogen 
levels, with some showing no  change and others harmed, and 
no clear pattern yet in sight. He  worries, though, that CO2 
fertilization and nitrogen depletion could  combine to alter insect 
balances in unexpected ways. For example, the  leaf miners 
described above were also four times more likely to be  killed by 
parasitic wasps -- bad news for the miners but good news  for 
the wasps. In another study, aphids reproduced 10 to 15 percent  
faster in enriched CO2 atmospheres -- good for the aphids, but 
bad  for the crops they infest.


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Re: [Biofuel] Using plastic pails

2005-08-22 Thread marilyn
In the 70s, we fermented mash and distilledf ethanol in 55 
gallon drums, and went to Energy Fairs sponsored by the Carter 
administration to teach farmers how to make their own and do 
the same. They worked well.
Marilyn


Biofuel@sustainablelists.org wrote:
If you need to do it on the cheap you can't beat 55gal steel 
drums.(I use 
two of them) Just cut the top completely off, install a valve at the 
bottom 
with parts from US plastic. They also have plastic drum covers to 
seal your 
reaction. http://www.usplastic.com

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[Biofuel] Large crops, less nutrients

2005-08-22 Thread marilyn
robert luis rabello wrote
However, our vegetable garden is bursting with produce. We've 
NEVER had such an abundant harvest, and for the first time 
EVER, I'm growing maize that's taller than I am! (We have a 
sunflower that is well over 3 meters in height, too!)

Robert,
Have these large crops in your garden been tested for nutrients? 

Everyone,
An article posted on this list July 25, 2005. (Planet of the Plants 
By Glenn Scherer, Grist Magazine) told how many plants are 
growing much larger but are losing nitrogen and other important 
nutrients:

“Gaseous CO2  fertilization does cause remarkable growth 
spurts in many plants, and  could create a greener planet with 
beefier tomatoes and  faster-growing, bigger trees. But there's a 
catch: The insects,  mammals, and impoverished people in 
developing countries who feed on  this bounty may end up 
malnourished, or even starving. The less-nutritious plants of a 
CO2-enriched world will likely not be  a problem for rich nations, 
where super-sized meals and vitamin  supplements are a 
dietary mainstay. But things could be very  different in the 
developing world, where millions already live on the  edge of 
starvation, and where the micronutrient deficit, known as  
hidden hunger, is already considered one of the world's 
leading  health problems by the United Nations... today's plants 
had the lowest  levels of calcium, copper, iron, potassium, 
magnesium, sodium,  sulfur, and zinc than at any time in the last 
three centuries. The obvious way to reduce the risk of declining 
food quality is to  cut fossil-fuel emissions, thereby reducing 
atmospheric CO2  concentrations.”

Does anyone know what plants can maintain their nutrients in 
spite of the excess CO2 that makes them grow so large? I’m 
meeting with someone from Columbia who is teaching poor 
people in 16 developing countries how to grow food for almost 
no cost. This information would be very helpful to share with him.

Marilyn

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[Biofuel] Chemical engineer's letter

2005-08-20 Thread marilyn
HELP! 
How can I respond to the negative email below? It's from a 
chemical engineer friend researching ethanol from cellulose. I 
sent him some info from this list to help his research, and was 
surprised by the anger. Anyone have specific things I can say in 
response?

The email: 

Hi Marilyn

Those guys are out in left field. From my perspective -- having 
followed and evaluated various biomass gasification processes 
(technology and economics) for 27 years -- is that the 
Bioengineering Resources guys are opportunistic promoters -- 
looking for suckers (e.g., U.S. DOE or some naive investors with 
money to waste). The technology is neither prove nor 
economical. And who needs more vinegar (dilute acetic acid).

Fermentation of synthesis gas to acetic acid is nonsense. 
Producing synthesis gas from biomass is itself unproven at any 
significant scale (not even in a decent pilot plant) -- and if it could 
be achieved, would be very expensive relative to other options for 
producing synthesis gas. FYI -- Synthesis gas is a mixture of 
hydrogen and carbon monoxide, which can be reacted over 
various catalysts at elevated temperatures to produce many 
different products -- such as alcohols, hydrocarbons, and 
various oxygenated organic compounds. The synthesis gas first 
has to be purified (made extremely clean), and the H2/CO ratio 
also has to be adjusted for the specific application. After the 
synthesis, further processing is usually required. 

Most of these assorted biomass energy promoters (and I have 
seen many come and go over 27 years) don't understand 
chemical engineering, process economics, resource 
availability/supply/transportation economics, etc., etc. Yet every 
every 5-10 years a new generation of biomass advocates and 
promoters emerge (or are otherwise born into the light) who 
don't know their asses from first base -- but think that biomass 
will save the world -- and so promote all kinds of technically 
dumb and uneconomical ideas -- and make life miserable for 
the people who are doing reasonable work. They all stroke each 
other and keep each other going and feeling self-righteous.

This whole business is too complicated and emotion-ridden for 
the biomass zealots (and apparently for me too) for me to begin 
discussing the many dimensions of it in an e-mail.

I personally favor the idea of exploiting biomass (intelligently) as 
a renewable energy resource -- and think that we can be utilizing 
it. However, a lot has to change (mostly politically, socially, 
economically, educationally, etc.) for that to ever happen. The 
cause is not helped by promoters of dumb ideas.


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Re: [Biofuel] Lignin crop redidue breakdown

2005-08-19 Thread marilyn
  My question is since composting does a good job of breaking 
down lignin, would it be possible to use composting as part of  
the ethanol creation process?

I can imagine that the micro organisms eat also the sugars, 
leaving nothing for you to ferment to sugar.
Pieter

A related question:

Mother Earth News had an article about a Missouri farmer who 
uses earthworms to turn distiller's grains into organic fertilizer. 
Could worms also break down lignin residue before distillation? 
If this is a dumb question, I apologize. I have made ethanol, but I 
am not a chemist. 

This farmer also has made a low energy vacuum distillation 
system that reduces the cost of ethanol to 38 cents a gallon. He 
will share his info with anyone. (See below)

Read about his work at
http://www.motherearthnews.com/library/1980_November_Dece
mber/A_Self_Sufficient_Energy__Livestock_System_

Some quotes from the article:

But McCutcheon's concept of integrated farming for 
self-sufficiency involves more than simply producing fuels. In 
order to manufacture ethanol at a reasonable cost, one must 
take full advantage of the value of the process's by-product . . . 
the leftover distiller's grains. Normally, such protein-rich remains 
(which usually total about one-third of the raw materials' original 
weight) can be sold outright as a livestock feed supplement or 
used directly on the farm for the same purpose. Charles, 
however, employs the residue to produce a sizable crop of 
earthworms! 

The McCutcheon brainchild is a fiberglass-fabricated, 
500-gallon-capacity still that operates under 26 inches of 
vacuum . . . a factor which allows it to work at a temperature of 
only 130 °F, as compared with the approximately 175°F that a 
distillery exposed to atmospheric pressure would have to 
achieve. 

To further improve the efficiency of his operation, Mr. McCutcheon 
uses a hardy imported yeast in his mash, which he claims can 
withstand as much as a 13% alcohol content, compared with the 
8-10% that normal yeast can handle. The additional few 
percentage points of tolerance, of course, allow the tiny 
organisms to produce more distillable ethanol per batch of 
beer. 

EDITOR'S NOTE: Charlie McCutcheon can provide further 
information concerning any of his various miracle products to 
anyone who writes hire at McCutcheon's Midwest Miracle Marts, 
Dept. TMEN, Highway 5 at Lucky Street, Payette, Missouri 65248 
(please include a self-addressed, stamped envelope). 



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Re: [Biofuel] The New Blue States/Country

2005-08-17 Thread marilyn
Kim wrote:
If you can tell me how to educate people who do not want to 
learn, I will do so. I own and run 2 yahoo lists...One on 
sustainable building and one on renewable energy.
  
Kim,

Having students who don't want to learn is the hardest part of 
being a teacher, especially a history teacher because we have a 
responsibility to create citizens who understand democracy and 
participate in it wisely. 

If we don't know history we are condemened to repeat it. This is 
one reason why the control of our media's news is so harmful. 
People are not getting real information about the government 
that is creating history (unless they can find it on the internet). But 
when confronted with what is being covered up, many don't want 
to hear it, and accuse the messengers of being conspiracy nuts.

Marilyn

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RE: [Biofuel] The New Blue States/Country

2005-08-17 Thread marilyn
Tim wrote
...Marilyn brought it to our attention.  Perhaps she would care to 
defend her statement.

Tim,

I first wrote about the cards in response to Hakan wondering 
what kind of companies members of the Bush administration 
come from. I remembered a year ago someone had told me how 
many of them came from oil and war industries and these cards 
showed their backgrounds. I searched on google to find them 
and found the card's website:
http://www.ruckus.org/warprofiteers/order/index.html

One of the sites I saw mentioned they had been banned on ebay 
so I added that comment. I have tried to find that site again today 
and am sorry I can't. I went to ebay today and did see one deck 
them listed, so now I see that comment was wrong.

My search did turn up one similar deck of cards called Axis 
Weasels that had been banned on ebay, but it now appears the 
ban is lifted. For those who want to know about this ban, it is 
described on their web site:
http://www.thebushadministration.com/overview.html

I apologize for passing on misleading information and 
appreciate being asked to straighten it out.

Marilyn




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Re: [Biofuel] The New Blue States/Country

2005-08-16 Thread marilyn
Hakan wrote:
Wonder from which industries they are coming?

Hakan, at the following website you can see their backgrounds 
by looking at each card in a card game that shows backgrounds 
of people working with the administration:

http://www.ruckus.org/warprofiteers/

Each suit in the deck represents a category: 
Oil, gas, and energy companies
US government officials
Military and defense contractors
Heads of industry, finance, media, policy, and hype

Go here to select each category to find information on each 
person
http://www.ruckus.org/warprofiteers/cards/index.html

The sale of the card game has been banned on ebay

To see a little about Cheney's background with Halliburton see
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/01/22/60minutes/printabl
e595214.shtml
Doing Business With The Enemy   Jan. 25, 2004

Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz and other neoconservatives were 
part of the Project for the New American Century plan to invade 
Iraq in 1997. They tried to get Clinton interested, but failed. They 
didn't fail with Bush. See their names on the statement of 
principles at:
http://www.newamericancentury.org/statementofprinciples.htm




Biofuel@sustainablelists.org wrote:

Tom,

I had no idea that Bush jr had been shot at and 
seen friends die for America. Nobody told me that 
Rumsfelt had an extinguish military career, but 
it is possible. Powell, that I like a lot, I know 
was a military, but it looked like he had trouble 
with his colleagues, maybe he is the one who 
provided for the shooting at Bush? This girl who 
got Powell's job, looks like a military, but I 
thought that she was a university professor. You 
have to excuse us foreigners who know so little about US 
leaders.

Then the view about fuel economy is 
understandable, anything with little less mpg 
than a Hummer, must be a wonder of efficiency. 
Anything with better insulation than a tent, must 
look as the technology that would save us from 
Global Warming. Considering the living 
conditioning in military tents, must also make it 
difficult to belive in the concept of Global Warming.

If they come from Corporations, hmmm, I do not 
like to be sued for telling my honest opinion or 
my experiences from US corporate leaders. It does 
however explain the deep rooted habit of lying to 
the people. Wonder from which industries they are coming?

Hakan

At 11:20 16/08/2005, you wrote:
Hi Hakan,

We get those wonderful leaders from corporations 
and the military. The ones in the military are 
actually the pacifists since they´re actually 
been shot at and seen friends die for America Inc.

Tom


--
From: Hakan Falk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 06:04:07 -0300
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] The New Blue States/Country


Bob,

Thanks for your concerns about me.

Yes you are right, there are many who has the capacity to 
compensate
lack of direct experience, with education and enough 
imagination.
There are many good places in the world, as I said, and we 
only
have to work hard on making more of them. To belive that this 
in any
way can be done with the help of weapons, is utterly stupid. It is
nothing that will be more destructive and more hated, than
liberators that has killed members of your family and/or your
friends. As I now live in Spain and married with a Catalan 
women, I
often see that the effects of the 1936 to 1939 civil war still are
lingering. I heard about it before, but did not think that it would
be so real for so many, who's parents were not even born at 
that time.

To belive that US will get out of Iraq, without being deeply hated
the next 50-100 years, is not only ignorant, but also utterly 
stupid.
After all they have personally killed around 300,000 Iraqis and 
was
behind the Iraq - Iran war, with around an other million dead.
History will not be kind to US, the Americans and President 
Bush.
Where do the Americans get those unreal and sick leaders 
from,
including guys like Rumsfelt? It is amazing!!

Hakan

At 03:27 16/08/2005, you wrote:
 Hakan,
 Well said, and most appropriate. But may I respectfully note 
that
 like all generalizations, there are many exceptions to the 
general
 rule (that lack of international experience leads to a closed 
mind).
 Example: Although I, along with many of my friends, have zero
 international living experience (except through reading and 
the
 media), and although we do enjoy living in the US with all its
 faults (of which we are painfully aware), there are many other
 countries I think we would enjoy living in - Sweden might be 
such
 an enjoyable place, for instance. Far from finding Sweden's
 socialist form of government abhorrent, there are many of us 
who
 would like to see more of it in the US. There's a world of
 difference between chauvinism and patriotism
 
 I do read and enjoy your perceptive and sensitive writings, 
and I do
 want to tell you how sorry I was to learn of 

[Biofuel] Wisdom from the next generation

2005-08-16 Thread marilyn
Hi everyone,
I love the amazing wisdom and knowledge on the biofuels site. I 
think the following first grader wisdom might be appreciated as 
well, at least by my fellow teachers.
Marilyn

A first grade teacher had 25 students in her class and she 
presented each child the first half of a well known proverb and 
asked them to come up with the remainder of the proverb. It's 
hard to believe these were actually done by first graders. Their 
insight may surprise you. While reading, keep in mind that these 
are first graders, 6-year-olds, because the last one is classic!

1. Don't change horses..until they stop running.

2. Strike while thebug is close.

3. It's always darkest before.Daylight Saving Time.

4. Never underestimate the power of ... termites.

5. You can lead a horse to water but . how?

6. Don't bite the hand that ... looks dirty.

7. No news is.impossible.

8. A miss is as good as a ... Mr.

9. You can't teach an old dog new .. math.

10. If you lie down with dogs, you'll ... stink in the morning.

11. Love all, trust .. me.

12. The pen is mightier than the .. pigs.

13. An idle mind isthe best way to relax.

14. Where there's smoke there's . pollution

15. Happy the bride who.gets all the presents.

16. A penny saved is . not much.

17. Two's company, three's . the Musketeers.

18. Don't put off till tomorrow what  you put on to go to bed.

19. Laugh and the whole world laughs with you, cry and ..you 
have to blow your nose.

20. There are none so blind as  Stevie Wonder.

21. Children should be seen and not .. spanked or 
grounded.

22. If at first you don't succeed . get new batteries.

23. You get out of something only what you .. see in the picture 
on the box.

24. When the blind lead the blind . get out of the way.

And the WINNER and last one --

25. Better late than ..pregnant.


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Re: [Biofuel] County considering GM food

2005-08-15 Thread marilyn
S. Chapin
The article was called Frankenfood in the Aug 4 issue of Good 
Times, a weekly Santa Cruz County paper. Read it in the 
archives at:
http://www.gtweekly.com/cover/story.2005-08-03.4435359525
Then, if you live in the county, email me about getting people 
together to stop the commission from approving it.
Marilyn

Biofuel@sustainablelists.org wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hi everyone,
My Santa Cruz, California county is considering outlawing 
genetically modified food in the county. I have downloaded a lot 
of info on the subject from your emails to share with them. 
Does 
anyone have anything that can help regarding how people have 
successfully made it illegal in other cities and counties? We 
need all the help we can get.
Thanks
Marilyn

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Marilyn,
Yikes am I out of touch!  To outlaw growing it or selling it? 
Both? 
I dont know if CCOF (California Organic Farmers) would have 
some 
material possibly, though you may have looked already. It would 
be kinda 
fun to see a few dozen monsanto lawyers skulking in and out of 
city hall.
I must read the paper more often.
S. Chapin
Corralitos Creek Gardens

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[Biofuel] County considering GM food

2005-08-14 Thread marilyn
Hi everyone,
My Santa Cruz, California county is considering outlawing 
genetically modified food in the county. I have downloaded a lot 
of info on the subject from your emails to share with them. Does 
anyone have anything that can help regarding how people have 
successfully made it illegal in other cities and counties? We 
need all the help we can get.
Thanks
Marilyn

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Re: Re[2]: [Biofuel] The New Blue States/Country

2005-08-14 Thread marilyn
I read that G Bush Sr. did not plan to invade Iraq over Kuwait until 
he met with Maggie Thatcher and she told him how her 
popularity soared after the war she waged in the Faulklands, and 
this made him rethink his response to Saddam invading Kuwait. 
Is there any truth to this?
Marilyn

dbo There may have been a misunderstanding in Baghdad. I 
suspect that the
dbo people in Washington knew exactly what they were doing.
dbo Doug Woodard
dbo St. Catharines, Ontario

There   is   no   suspect  about it.  I heard the US ambassador 
tell
Iraqi government officials that the US had no interest in the issue 
at
all.   Twice.  Seems that many people who also saw that on the 
US news
have conveniently forgotten it.  Our government suckered Iraq in 
order
to  invade.   Period.Washington  was  fully  cognizant  of  Iraq's
intentions  and  lied in order to have an excuse to invade.  Twice 
now
we have done similar things.

Happy Happy,

Gustl

dbo On Sun, 14 Aug 2005, Hakan Falk wrote:

 Iraq is the result of a misunderstanding, Saddam Hussein 
asked for
 the US permission to invade Kuweit and thought that he got it.

-- 
Je mehr wir haben, desto mehr fordert Gott von uns.

We can't change the winds but we can adjust our sails.

The safest road to Hell is the gradual one - the gentle slope, 
soft underfoot, without sudden turnings, without milestones, 
without signposts.  
C. S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters

Es gibt Wahrheiten, die so sehr auf der Straße liegen, 
daß sie gerade deshalb von der gewöhnlichen Welt nicht 
gesehen oder wenigstens nicht erkannt werden.

Those who dance are considered insane by those who can't
hear the music.  
George Carlin

The best portion of a good man's life -
His little, nameless, unremembered acts of kindness and of 
love.
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[Biofuel] Making fertilizer into hydrogen

2005-08-14 Thread marilyn
See the Economist magazine for a good article on making 
fertilizer into hydrogen.

http://www.economist.com/printedition/displayStory.cfm?Story_ID
=4269849

A new way to store solar energy
Aug 11th 2005 
From The Economist print edition

MIX a pile of manure with some zinc oxide, angle a few giant 
mirrors towards the mixture, turn on the sun and steam the 
result. It may not sound appetising, but Michael Epstein and his 
colleagues at the Weizmann Institute of Science, in Israel, think 
that this recipe represents a novel way of collecting solar energy 
to generate what many hope will be the fuel of the 
future—hydrogen. …

(For the full article you have to buy a copy, but it's worth it. It's a 
good article.)

Marilyn

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Re: [Biofuel] Biofuel College Courses

2005-08-14 Thread marilyn
Hi Paul

Prescott College in Prescott, Arizona seems to have a good 
environmental program that includes Agroecology. They 
encourage people to do independent study, so you could 
probably have a lot of freedom in planning what you want to 
learn. Check our their website and give them a call.

The site for their environmental program is the following:
http://www.prescott.edu/academics/rdp/environmental_studies.h
tml

It's not in New England, but I think it's in a nice location in the 
mountains. Good luck.

Marilyn

Biofuel@sustainablelists.org wrote:
I am 18 and not sure where I want to go to college. I might take 
the
year off, as it is so late to be signing up. My question for everyone
is, does anyone here know of some good colleges, preferably in 
the New
England area, that have specialty biofuel(or related) courses? 
That
would be a great help to me.  Also, I wanted to add an amazing
discovery/question that I found this past week. I drive a 1992 
honda
civic. I just did a full tune up, including O2 sensor, plugs, wires,
cap  rotor, etc. I drove from FL to MA, and i got about 23 MPG. 
This
is in a 1.5L engine in a  car weighing maybe 1600 lbs fully 
loaded
with 106 base HP. I then drove my father's car south( a 2000 
Cadillac
Deville), from Ma to FL, and got an amazing surprise : his 4.6L
American engine with about 300 base HP pulling a car weighing 
maybe
3000Lbs empty got  28MPG. I also found that in the city, his 
car's
gas mileage was 18 MPG, where mine is about 13. Now I admit 
to owning
a foot of lead, but does anyone know how this is possible as i 
drove
both vehicles, and with regular gas? The calculations were 
correct for
MPG. Any input would be appreciated. ~ Paul

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[Biofuel] Hirsch report on peak oil

2005-08-12 Thread marilyn
Half a year after its release, the Hirsch report on peak oil written 
for the US Dept of Energy has not been published. You can find it 
on the site below, as well as many other articles related to oil 
and energy.

http://globalpublicmedia.com/

Scroll down and click on:

Where Is the Hirsch Report? 

Marilyn

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Re: [Biofuel] Seed terrorism

2005-08-11 Thread marilyn
I googled seed savers and got 13,000 sites. This looks 
especially good:

http://www.seedsavers.org/
Seed Savers Exchange is a nonprofit organization that saves 
and shares the heirloom seeds of our garden heritage, forming 
a living legacy that can be passed down through generations. 
When people grow and save seeds, they join an ancient tradition 
as stewards, nurturing our diverse, fragile, genetic and cultural 
heritage.

Our organization is saving the world’s diverse, but endangered, 
garden heritage for future generations by building a network of 
people committed to collecting, conserving and sharing 
heirloom seeds and plants, while educating people about the 
value of genetic and cultural diversity. Few gardeners 
comprehend the true scope of their garden heritage or how 
much is in immediate danger of being lost forever.

Mailing Address
3094 North Winn Road
Decorah, IA 52101
Ph: 563-382-5990
Fax: 563-382-5872
From this location we manage all administrative operations, 
memberships, mail orders and shipping, preservation gardens, 
seed production and seed storage. We also have a visitors 
center and garden store that sells seeds, gardening supplies 
and gifts. In the spring we offer transplants for sale as well.

Our office is open Monday through Friday 9:00AM to 5:00PM CST. 
The Visitors Center is open Monday through Friday from 9:00AM 
to 5:00PM CST. and 10:00AM to 5:00PM on Saturday  Sunday 
Marilyn

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Re: [Biofuel] Dirty Oil sand, shale, gas coal

2005-08-08 Thread marilyn
Roger Billings had a company in Utah in the 1980s that ran cars 
on hydrogen. He ran his first  car on hydrogen in the 1960s. After 
dropping the project for a while, he is at it again. His website is

http://www.hydrogennow.org/index.html

I haven't heard a word about him in the press, just the 
administration mantra that says hydrogen is 20 years down the 
road. Anyone know anything about his work?

Marilyn



Despite Honda's triumphant presentation of the first fuel cell 
family
 - Jon and Sandy Spallino and daughters last month took to the 
highways of
 California in their new Pounds 1m hydrogen Honda - the 
company won't have one
 for sale until 2020 at the earliest. 

 Hydrogen has been the fuel of choice for US energy 
futurologists and
 environmentalists since President Bush announced two years 
ago that
 he wanted children born then to be able to put their first car keys 
in
 a hydrogen car. Every big carmaker is working on hydrogen 
technology. 

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Re: [Biofuel] Improving Ethanol Distilation Efficiency

2005-08-08 Thread marilyn
I know someone who developed a way to remove alcohol during 
fermentation, which would greatly cut the cost of making ethanol. 
I am trying to find people to link up with to replicate the process 
because he has dropped it. I did a search for remove alcohol 
during fermentation on your web site and on google and found 
nothing. Does anyone out there know of someone who has done 
this?
Marilyn


Biofuel@sustainablelists.org wrote:
Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

It takes approximately the same energy to produce ethanol, as 
you get out of using ethanol. ...The distillation process is the 
major loss of energy.

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Re: [Biofuel] Gangs of America Power and the disabling of democracy

2005-07-30 Thread marilyn
There is also an excellent documentary film out called The 
Corporation that explains the history of their rise to power. This 
is its web site.
http://www.thecorporation.com/
Marilyn

Biofuel@sustainablelists.org wrote:
Fwd from Lion Kuntz at Sustainable Agriculture Network 
Discussion 
Group (SANET):

While looking up something about Tom Scott, in 1877 the
president of the biggest corporation in the world who went to
war with John D. Rockefeller and lost, I found a link.

This link led to a chapter of a book online, which had good
information, and confirmed facts from a number of other 
sources.
However, I noticed that the host site offered the electronic
version of the book for free download in PDF format.

If anybody would like to save themselves twenty-five smackers,
this book is offered by arrangement of the author and the
publisher. It is not some pirate copy.

http://gangsofamerica.com/index.html

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Sincerely, Lion Kuntz
Santa Rosa, California, USA

Download for free:
http://gangsofamerica.com/read.html

http://gangsofamerica.com/index.html
Gangs of America by Ted Nace - the rise of Corporate Power and 
the 
disabling of democracy

Corporations are the dominant force in modern life, surpassing 
even 
church and state. The largest are richer than entire nations, and 
courts have given these entities more rights than people. To 
many 
Americans, corporate power seems out of control. According to a 
Business Week/Harris poll released in September 2000, 82 
percent of 
those surveyed agreed that business has too much power over 
too many 
aspects of our lives. And the recent revelations of corporate 
scandal and political influence have only added to such 
concerns.

Where did this powerful institution come from? How did it get so 
much 
power? In Gangs of America: The Rise of Corporate Power and 
the 
Disabling of Democracy, author Ted Nace probes the roots of 
corporate 
power, finding answers in surprising places.

A key revelation of the book is the wariness of the Founding 
Fathers 
toward corporations. That wariness was shaped by rampant 
abuses on 
the part of British corporations such as the Virginia Company, 
whose 
ill-treatment killed thousands of women and children on 
forced-labor 
tobacco plantations, and the East India Company, whose 
attempt to 
monopolize American commodities led to the merchant-led 
rebellion 
known as the Boston Tea Party.

Because of such attitudes, the word corporation does not appear 
once 
in the United States Constitution. At the Constitutional 
Convention, 
all proposals to include corporations in that document were 
voted 
down by delegates. Corporate attorneys persisted in seeking 
legal 
protections for their clients by means of sympathetic court 
rulings, 
but until the Civil War such attempts largely failed.

After the Civil War, the tide quickly turned, as lobbyists secured 
key changes in corporate law and as corporate attorneys won a 
series 
of decisions from an increasingly pro-corporate Supreme Court. 
Nace 
recounts the key figures who engineered the corporate bill of 
rights, in particular two brilliant strategists: railroad baron Tom 
Scott and Supreme Court Justice Stephen Field. The book 
explores in 
depth the bizarre intrigues that resulted in the infamous 
corporations are persons ruling of 1886, and how that ruling 
affected the subsequent development of Supreme Court 
doctrine.

Nace charts the growth of corporate power through the Gilded 
Age, 
including the bloody repression of organized labor and the rise 
of 
social Darwinist thinking among American elites. He recounts 
how that 
expansion came to a halt under the New Deal, as organized 
labor 
gained legal protections, social Darwinism fell into disrepute, 
and 
Franklin Roosevelt asserted a vision of American society that 
placed 
democratic limits on corporate power. To many observers, it 
seemed 
that the corporate Frankenstein had finally been tamed by 
countervailing power.

According to Nace, that optimistic view was dashed in the final 
decades of the twentieth century, as Big Business mounted a 
remarkable comeback. The corporate political resurgence 
began with a 
1971 memorandum written by Lewis Powell, Jr., shortly before 
Powell 
was appointed to the Supreme Court by Richard Nixon. In the 
memorandum, Powell urged corporate America to apply its full 
organizational and strategic resources to politics, a course of 
action that proved highly successful. 

Gangs of America describes the expansion of corporate legal 
empowerment onto the global stage through international 
agreements 
such as the North American Free Trade Agreement, which 
boosted the 
legal powers of corporations to the level of sovereign nations. 
The 
book pays special attention to recent events, including campaign 
finance reform, the financial scandals of 2002, and the growing 
movement to redefine the corporation and limit corporate power.

Ted Nace worked

Re: [Biofuel] Gangs of America Power and the disabling of democracy

2005-07-30 Thread marilyn
[EMAIL PROTECTED] asked:

Anyone out there have it all figured out yet? How do we eliminate 
the all powerful, destructive, and untouchable attributes of 
corporations, while not destroying the lives of the good people 
who make up their work forces? (In 100 words or less please)

We can’t beat them but we can go around them. Our foundation 
is starting networks so farms and small enterprises can link to 
share food, fuel, fiber, goods, services and “how to” knowledge 
locally and globally. Each helps meet the needs of its own area 
and contributes to others when possible. Model rural 
“ecovillages” integrate agriculture, education and entrepreneurial 
ventures as interns and workshop attendees come and learn to 
create and maintain farms or enterprises. Some include 
academic schools where students get credit for related 
hands-on projects. Anyone know of similar projects? We want to 
link with all who are interested.
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[Biofuel] email sent by mistake

2005-07-25 Thread marilyn
Biofuels list

I am sorry I sent you the email regarding the farm for sale by 
mistake. I hope you kept it from going to everyone. You are not on 
a group list. I meant to check a name at the bottom of my email 
address book and instead hit Send All so the message went to 
all my addresses. I will be more careful from now on

The group I am working with is setting up a network of model 
farms in various locations. The training centers will teach 
self-reliance in organic farming, renewable energy technologies, 
creating our own fuel to lessen our dependence on oil, local 
enterprises that provide jobs, etc. 

One lady is getting a huge grant to train an international group 
involved in Peace Corps type of activities. This farm will  train 
volunteers to teach people around the world how to set up 
organic farms and other sustainable small-scale enterprises to 
strengthen local economies and help reduce hunger and 
poverty.

If you want me to keep you posted about our activities, I will be 
happy to do so, but I will not send any more “Send All” emails to 
you.

Marilyn


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Re: [Biofuel] ethanol from animal waste

2005-07-11 Thread marilyn
The message I sent was truncated so it did not include the 
following contact info at the end:

Ethanol Producer Magazine
308 2nd Ave. North Suite 304
Grand Forks, ND 58203
(701)746-8385
Fax:(701)746-5367
Voice Toll Free: 866-746-8385

Also, one of the authors of the article at the university in NC has 
the following contact info:

Dr. Theo A. van Kempen
Assistant Professor
Swine Nutrition and Nutrient Management
Extension | Research
Ph: 919-515-4016 | Fax: 919-515-7780 | E-mail: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

These should help lead you to the info you want.
Gook luck
Marilyn



Biofuel@sustainablelists.org wrote:
I live in an area that has large numbers of dairy
farms. Does anyone know If this is possible with dairy
cattle waste?

Thanks, Steve



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[Biofuel] ethanol from animal waste

2005-07-09 Thread marilyn
Robert mentioned his concern over the masses of animal waste 
pouring into the rivers. I found these articles showing how in N 
Carolina they are starting to make pig waste into ethanol. Has 
anyone researched this area?
Marilyn


http://mark.asci.ncsu.edu/SwineReports/2001/03manbrett.htm

Formation of Fuel-Grade Ethanol
from Swine Waste via Gasification
 
B. Kaspers, J. Koger, R. Gould[1], A. Wossink[2], R. Edens[2], 
and T. van Kempen
 
Summary
The objective of this project is to investigate the application of 
gasification technologies to the treatment of swine waste for the 
ultimate production of fuel-grade ethanol.  This waste treatment 
system would reduce the negative environmental impact of 
current manure management systems.  The research objectives 
are: 1) to develop and test a system for harvesting swine manure 
in a form dry enough to be used as a gasification feedstock, 2) to 
establish the feasibility and the gasification conditions for the 
swine waste/amendments feedstock, 3) to characterize the end 
products of gasification (ethanol and mineral ash) and their 
potential markets, and 4) to conduct a rigorous economic 
analysis on the entire swine manure management model to 
determine its feasibility along with the factors that promote or 
impede its implementation.
 
Introduction
Ethanol production (primarily via fermentative methods) from 
crops and other “renewable” biomass sources has received 
much attention recently, but the current approach has problems.  
Mainly, crop-based feedstocks are subject to seasonal 
fluctuations in supply, ultimately limiting ethanol generation.  
Such feedstocks necessitate either lengthy storage of the 
perishable plant materials or stopping ethanol production 
altogether during the off-season.  Another dilemma faced is that 
some of the feedstocks currently used in ethanol production (e.g. 
corn stubble) have a greater value elsewhere (e.g. fertilizer).  
More specifically, the energy cost in harvesting these feedstocks 
(e.g. corn stubble) as well as their lost value as soil 
amendments makes ethanol production costly to farmers 
(Pimental, 1992). Animal manures avoid many of these 
problems because they are a truly renewable feedstock.
 
The quantity of swine manure produced in the U.S, estimated at 
5 billion kg dry matter per year, is sufficient to contribute 
substantially to ethanol supplies.  Assuming a conversion 
efficiency of 40%, there is a theoretical ethanol yield of 500 
million gallons per year.  North Carolina is the second largest 
hog-producing state within the U.S. with a swine population 
large enough for gasification technology to be feasible.  Thus, 
ethanol production of 80 million gallons per year should 
theoretically be attainable. The most recent RFA (Renewable 
Fuels Association) Ethanol Report (May 11, 2000) concludes that 
replacing corn with less expensive feedstocks will result in 
substantial reductions in ethanol production costs.
 
Gasification of biomass has received much attention as a 
means to convert waste materials to a variety of energy forms 
(i.e. electricity, combustible gases, synfuels, various fuel 
alcohols, etc.).  Gasification is a two-step, endothermic process 
in which solid fuel is thermochemically converted into a low or 
medium Btu gas.  Pyrolysis (Step 1) of the biomass is followed 
by either direct or indirect oxygen-deprived combustion (Step 2) 
during the gasification process.  This process converts raw 
biomass into a combustible gas, retaining 60-70 % of the 
feedstock's original energy content.  Thermochem’s steam 
reformer is the system we are investigating to gasify our 
feedstock because this type of gasifier produces a 
hydrogen-rich, medium-Btu fuel gas.  This gasifier design 
percolates superheated steam through an indirectly heated inert 
fluidized bed of sand or a mineral material.  The organic 
feedstock injected into the bed undergoes a rapid sequence of 
pyrolysis and vaporization reactions.  Higher hydrocarbons 
released among the pyrolysis products are steam cracked and 
partially reformed to produce low molecular weight species.  
This process produces a gas with nearly immeasurable 
environmental emissions of NOx, SOx, CO, and particulates. The 
main reason this particular gasifier design is favored is because 
of its hydrogen to carbon ratio (2:1) is ideal for ethanol synthesis. 
A recent cost and performance analysis of biomass (i.e. wood) 
gasification systems for combined power generation indicated 
that such a steam system (Battelle Columbus Laboratory) had 
the lowest capital cost and product electricity cost (Craig and 
Mann, 1997).  
 
There is an intensive effort, especially in North Carolina, to 
develop a better waste management strategy.  The ultimate goal 
of this project is to eliminate the land application of lagoon 
effluent. The elimination of this waste via gasification would 
abolish the need for land application of waste. 
 
The primary obstacle

Re: [Biofuel] re property taking supreme court

2005-06-30 Thread marilyn
The white house resident has had his own experience with 
eminent domain. It made him a wealthy man.

http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=100228

Back in 1989, Bush hauled in the moolah on the stadium built in 
Arlington, Texas for the Texas Rangers. What's interesting about  
this one is that the Texas legislature passed a bill allowing the 
private corporation that owned the Rangers to exercise eminent 
domain, normally a power reserved for public entities.

We're all pretty familiar with condemnation for public projects. It's 
what the Army Corps of Engineers does to build flood-control 
dams or Municipalities do to construct water mains or Highway 
Authorities do to obtain rights-of-way. In the Texas Rangers case 
the condemnation was on behalf of a handful of private 
individuals, one of whom was George W. 

This surprising form of socialism with baseball teams 
condemning private property for new stadiums is now quite 
common in the US. It had a particularly sordid ring in the Texas 
deal. 

This private corporation condemned not only enough land for a 
spanking new baseball stadium, but also took an additional 300 
acres - yes 300 acres - of surrounding land for commercial 
development. Arlington residents floated most of the package 
with jacked-up taxes. These paid for the bonds needed to buy 
the land. It seems that our no-tax President wasn't ideologically 
opposed to increasing taxes if it padded his own bank account. 

The padding was generous: Bush made out like a bandit with 
his initial investment of $640,000 zooming to a cool $15.4 million 
in 1998 when he sold out.

More details at 
http://www.mollyivins.com/showMisc.asp?FileName=970509_f1.
htm
or do google searches on eminent domain and Texas Rangers 
and stadium to get hundreds of sites on the topic




Biofuel@sustainablelists.org wrote:
Brian,
  Her comments were exactly what I was trying to get across in 
the
other thread.  Now City Planners can use acquistion of Taxes as 
a
means to take personal propery.  There is a situation in Houston 
in
which a family owned river front business is about to lose 300 
feet of
their property so a developer can build a marina and restaurant - 
by
eminent domain.  Guess we will all need powerful corporate 
lawyers to
keep our homes.

Larry

On 6/24/05, Brian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Thank you so much for the link.  The dissenting opinions of 
Justices
 O'Connor and Thomas are what I found most enlightening.  I 
couldn't agree
 with them more.
 
 Brian
 
 - Original Message -
 From: S Chapin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
 Sent: Friday, June 24, 2005 11:03 AM
 Subject: [Biofuel] re property taking supreme court
 
 
  Brian,
  
http://a257.g.akamaitech.net/7/257/2422/23jun20051201/www.s
upremecourtus.gov/opinions/04pdf/04-108.pdf
  or go to Common Dreams .org and look for US Supreme 
Court link (right side
  somewhere). See also NYT article by Linda Greenhouse.
  Difference between public use and public purpose? Pfizer
  pharmacueticals will build a research complex. (who are 
BTW immune under
  the patriot act from lawsuits?) I wonder if under the same 
arguement
  public purpose could enable a community to declare a 
Wal-Mart eminent
  domain and turn it into a hospital??
  S. Chapin
 
 
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[Biofuel] article on plant polymers

2005-05-05 Thread marilyn

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Most things fabricated today use polymers that are derived from fossil fuels 
(plastics usually).  So, devices used to tap into wind or hydro power rely on 
the petroleum industry.  I have heard of research into polymers from 
renewable products but I'm not sure how far along such research.  Perhaps 
someone else on the list knows more about such things.  Once we can get 
polymers out of corn we will be able to further detach ourselves from fossil 
fuels.


I've done some research into plant polymers.  I've pasted an article  from 
Purdue here that has some info. I'm told jojoba is a good source but can't find 
anything on it on the web. Anyone know about this?

Marilyn

http://plastics.about.com/library/PR/2001/blpurdue1.htm

Biotechnology Produces Plastics from Plants

WEST LAFAYETTE, Ind. - February 15, 2001 - Scientists have found a gene 
that allows plants to package and store materials in their cells - a discovery 
that may open the door to producing new types of plastics from plant 
materials.

Clint Chapple, professor of biochemistry at Purdue University, and Knut 
Meyer of DuPont and Co., have cloned a gene from the common laboratory 
plant Arabadopsis that will allow materials to produce plastics in crops 
without 
damaging the plant's health.

A patent application, in which both Purdue and DuPont have rights, has been 
filed on the use of the gene for the production of monomers. Chapple also 
received the 2001 Agricultural Researcher Award from the Purdue School of 
Agriculture for his work.

Currently, petroleum is used to make nearly all plastics; it also is used as a 
base material or solvent in paints, household and industrial chemicals and in 
thousands of other applications.

But crop plants such as corn or soybeans hold the potential to create plants 
that provide the starting materials to make the plastics we already have and to 
make new plastics with never-before-seen properties, Chapple says.

Plastics are produced by making chains of compounds derived from 
petroleum. Scientists call these chains polymers, and the individual 
molecules that form the chain are called monomers.

One reason scientists are interested in making plastics from plants is that 
plants produce an amazing array of compounds that could be used for 
monomers in plastics.

We have been historically limited by the number of polymers that we can 
make from petroleum, Chapple says.

Plants also are much more versatile than petroleum.

Plants are really amazing chemical factories that produce a mind-boggling 
number of interesting chemicals, Chapple says. We can exploit that ability 
by using genomics to identify the genes required to make those compounds 
and by using biotechnology to insert the genes into crop plants.

Until now, however, the problem has been trying to get plants to make 
enough of these substances for the whole process to be economically viable, 
he says. Although crude oil supplies are finite, petroleum has been a much 
less expensive source for plastic monomers.

Fortunately, plants already have methods for making and storing large 
amounts of compounds that help protect them from insects, disease and 
ultraviolet radiation in sunlight. They do this by combining (or to use the 
scientists' preferred term, conjugating) the molecules with other molecules to 
produce stable, soluble forms of the compound that are stored in small 
structures, called vacuoles, within the cells. The vacuoles isolate the 
compound from the rest of the biochemical processes going on in the plant.

We've now cloned a gene that produces an enzyme that is in involved in 
conjugating these compounds in plants, Chapple says.

The project is part of DuPont's Plants as Plants initiative. DuPont is 
interested in making new plastics and other products from crop plants, 
Chapple says. But if you do that you have to make sure that they can be 
stored in the vacuole in a safe way at a high concentration.

Meyer says DuPont can be thought of as a company that produces polymers 
and is constantly looking for new monomers to build new plastics.

DuPont produces nylon and many related products, he says. But some 
monomers are difficult to make from petroleum using traditional chemistry, so 
we're looking at monomers produced in higher levels in plants. Dr. Chapple's 
work helps us stabilize these monomers in plants and produce them at higher 
levels.

Meyer says DuPont is investigating using genetically modified microbes as 
well as plants to produce monomers. For example, DuPont has a project near 
completion that uses the bacterium E. coli to produce the monomer for a type 
of plastic that is used in carpet fibers, among other things.

However, plants are more attractive chemical factories than microbes 
because they may be cheaper.

The inherent advantage with plants is that you get your nutrients for free - 
the 
carbon dioxide and sunlight are there for the plants, Meyer says. With 
microbes

Re: [Biofuel] Bush on matter

2005-04-30 Thread marilyn

To see the full list of quotes, go to slate.com, type bushism in the search 
box, 
and read them all. They go back several years.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dear Chris,

This is classic Bush.  It is up there with his other observations such 
Is our children learning? from a speech on education,  More and more 
of our imports come from oversees.,  I hope the ambitious realize that 
they are more likely to succeed with success as opposed to failure.,  We 
ought to make the pie higher.,  and my personal favorite, The problem 
with the French is they have no word for entrepreneur.  The incredible 
thing is not that he says these things but that we voted for him. 

Rick

Chris Lloyd wrote:

BUSH: One of the great sources of energy for the future is liquefied


natural gas. There's a lot of gas reserves around the world. Gas can
only be transported by ship, though, when you liquefy it, when you put
it in solid form.  


 
  

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Re: [Biofuel] US Ethanol fuel savings

2005-04-22 Thread marilyn

Contact David Blume at alcoholcanbeagos.com. He is an expert on ethanol, 
created a TV series on it and is preparing a book to be released next year. His 
email is [EMAIL PROTECTED]


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Agh!
 
I'm glad somebody posted this because the debate about ethanol is 
prompting a flurry of misleading information that is causing a great deal of 
confusion (maybe intentionally so) and frustration for me.
 
In addition to the cost argument mentioned in this thread, I've heard the 
following arguments pieced together by those who oppose ethanol 
production.
 
1.) It takes seven gallons of ethanol for every one gallon of gasoline to get 
you 
from point A to point B (even if true it completely misses the point that 
oil 
WILL run out and that ethanol is a viable alternative and I need to explain 
how).
 
2.) Ethanol production produces carbon dioxide (ignoring the waste products 
of cracking crude oil and the CO2 absorbed by the crops which will later 
become ethanol).
 
3.) Ethanol emits dangerous levels of formaldehyde (what?!).
 
4.) Ethanol produces equal amounts of pollutants as gasoline (I repeatedly 
mention Brazil as an example of smog reduction with no effect on the 
listener).
 
I wish I could find something out there from a well known source that 
addresses these arguments (some of it looking like folklore) in a way that 
didn't make the reader pick through long, inch-thick reports. I need some 
ammunition to fight this sea of non-believers around me.
 
I might be asking for too much -- a few pages listing products of combustion, 
mileage stats, cost, environmental impacts of production, ideal crops for 
ethanol, amount of CO2 absorbed by crops and potential for sustaining those 
crops when oil runs out.
 
Kieth, anybody...help!
 
Mike

Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hello Bill

I've been curious about the topic of Ethanol and whether or not it
saves, or could save, on fossil fuel use ever since I heard a radio
talk show host in the San Francisco Bay Area, Dr Bill Wattenburg,
claim that the use of Ethanol is basically a scam.

... and expert is a dirty word in some circles.

That's Patzek, the Pimentel second team, he took his lead from 
Pimentel. We discussed it at the time and found it, and him, wanting. 
He has many of the same holes in him as Pimentel does and others 
besides.

When you put it in focus it's crap. Eg:

Patzek's quite right about the large amounts of fossil-fuels used in
the production of maize and wheat - industrialized monocrops of maize
and wheat, that is. But it says long-term sustainability is one of
his research interests, so he ought to know that industrialized
monocrops aren't the only option. Maize and wheat can be and are
sustainably and efficiently produced with little or no fossil-fuel
inputs. Anyway, maize and wheat are not the ideal crops for ethanol
production. But industrialized monocrops of maize and wheat are the
ideal crops for ethanol production if you happen to be Archer Daniels
Midland, Monsanto, or Cargill.

What's this got to do with farm-scale or small-scale community-level
ethanol production from whatever range of feedstocks is locally
available? - or more likely general biofuels production, not just
ethanol? Nothing at all.

So much for Big Ethanol. Big Soy - er, sorry, Big Biodiesel won't be
too different. What puzzles me about all this is that it depends on
high and probably increasing use of the very resource it's supposed
to be replacing, a resource that's running out, which is the
rationale for the biofuels in the first place. Am I missing something
here? :-/

The whole thread is in a clickable table at the top of the message in 
the url above, give it a good read.
http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/30146/1
2003-12-02 [biofuel] Expert Pans Ethanol

(There's a message from esbuck there, who turned out to be an 
industry/Wise Use shill.)

See also:
http://journeytoforever.org/ethanol_energy.html
Is ethanol energy-efficient?  Ethanol under fire

As well as:
http://www.agriculture.com/ag/story.jhtml?storyid=/templatedata/ag/sto 
ry/data/agNews_050328crETHANOL.xmlcatref=ag1001

New study confronts old thinking on ethanol's net energy value

3/28/2005, 2:49 PM CST 

Ethanol generates 35% more energy than it takes to produce, according 
to a recent study by Argonne National Laboratory conducted by Michael 
Wang. The finding goes against a belief among many that ethanol 
production uses more energy than it creates.
[more]

And this too, while we're at it:

http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/30101/
Brazil  Ethanol Dual Fuel Cars

http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/30071/
Brazil  Ethanol

http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/30100/
Brazil  Ethanol Anhydrous ?

http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/30103/
Brazil  Ethanol  Biodiesel

http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/30102/
Brazil  Ethanol Hydrous Engines

This last one is a Reuters article, good piece.

Have a look at what India's doing with ethanol (and other biofuels)