Re: [Biofuel] Anyone working with algae out there?
hi, while algae is a great carbon sink (bioremediator) I would first consider running the chicken manure through a methane digestor if it isnt too full of straw or other cellulose material. which can prove problematical... after running the manure through the digestor ,then the effluent can be used for algae propagation. I want to emphasise that oil from algae production is new ground, and there are still problems to be solved as to extraction methods ,in addition selecting the ideal algae which will become the workhorse still is up in the air. something which we will finally determine this spring, also, algae is sensitive to variable climatic conditions and need a stable and controlled environment for maximum yield, that is why we advocate enclosed pond systems over open ponds, particularly if one is to attempt this in northern climes or areas like oklahoma which are reather infamous for being subject to violent weather events. the combination of methane production and algae production lend themselves to a better chance of success due to the value added products that result which helps hedge ones bet when entering new ground. Marc Cardoso ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Anyone working with algae out there?
we have been working with algae for thirty years, first in mexico and then here in Tennessee, we have a website... just go to ecogenics on google or other servers .you can see someof our algae production systems that have been rather successfull, you can also follow some threads on Biodiesel now look in the forums , particularly one titled , can oil producing algae be grown at homea question which I answered in the affirmative and for which I was derided by some dilletantes on that list. there is some good data out there, but most are reluctant to share more than general information. and now so am I.. we have a manual on how to produce algae and a vidio tape that shows one of our ponds from construction to production of algae and tilapia fish and also shows our distillery in operation. the manual teaches how to grow algae.. this is a must before you grow oil producing algae soon we will be issueing a second manual on oil production from algae it will however be available only to those who have read the first manual or have attended our hands on seminars on the subject...Ecogenics is a research and development organisation that has adressed most forms of alternative energy. we do not talk about anything that we havent built.. so we feel a certain amount of pride and cionfidence that we are not blowing smoke up peoples derrieres. but that does not shield us from having some rather nasty derisions cast at us.all i can say about that is people who dance are considered insane by those who cannot hear the music. Marc. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Anyone working with algae out there?
We have tons of chicken litter here in Oklahoma and nowhere to put it. please advise, I will check out your website. We are in the process of building a business case for a biodiesel production facility here in Oklahoma, one that would incorporate multiple streams of input as soybeans and not that plentiful. It would seem to me that using a waste stream is by far more economical given that this is not supplanting a useful resource. Love the ideas on this list serve, even the philosophical ones but the volume of email is daunting. keep them coming We can provide 150 to 180 degree hot water from solar with no recurring cost for anyone who need this for processing systems. Would love to help in small scale biodiesel processsing via solar, best of both worlds. John Miggins Harvest Solar Wind Power renewable solutions to everyday needs www.harvest-energy.com Phone/Fax 918-743-2299 Cell: 918-521-6223 - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2004 11:37 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Anyone working with algae out there? we have been working with algae for thirty years, first in mexico and then here in Tennessee, we have a website... just go to ecogenics on google or other servers .you can see someof our algae production systems that have been rather successfull, you can also follow some threads on Biodiesel now look in the forums , particularly one titled , can oil producing algae be grown at homea question which I answered in the affirmative and for which I was derided by some dilletantes on that list. there is some good data out there, but most are reluctant to share more than general information. and now so am I.. we have a manual on how to produce algae and a vidio tape that shows one of our ponds from construction to production of algae and tilapia fish and also shows our distillery in operation. the manual teaches how to grow algae.. this is a must before you grow oil producing algae soon we will be issueing a second manual on oil production from algae it will however be available only to those who have read the first manual or have attended our hands on seminars on the subject...Ecogenics is a research and development organisation that has adressed most forms of alternative energy. we do not talk about anything that we havent built.. so we feel a certain amount of pride and cionfidence that we are not blowing smoke up peoples derrieres. but that does not shield us from having some rather nasty derisions cast at us.all i can say about that is people who dance are considered insane by those who cannot hear the music. Marc. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] Anyone working with algae out there?
Hello Addy and/ or Robert (no signature, so I don't know who I'm writing to) It is necessary to understand more about your regional biomass capabilities. One group intends to use seaweed which simply washes up on a rocky shore in northern Europe for fuel ethanol production and there is enough to make your qualified amounts. The forest slash projects have adequate resources even with returning adequate mulch to the earth. Agricultural waste offer abundant resources. Aquahol is another abundant resource, especially in controlling invasive cultures that inhibit other water uses or endangered species. ANY BIOMASS can serve as a feedstock. It is possible to process food waste, produce waste, farmers waste, and office waste in paper and cardboard. Whatever medium you select will have risks and benefits including to-be-established protocols and enhancements. Perhaps the richest source of convertible biomass is the entire upper part of the sugar cane plant (without the corm) or as mentioned many times, the starch-rich cattail plant. Producing fuel ethanol can be easier and more abundant than is currently being acknowledged by government statistics. Algae farms could be interesting. Research and development is either expensive or a hobby. The biofuels forum allows us to share in our knowledge. Sorry that I have no direct answer for algae. Hopefully someone will respond that has a working knowledge and is ready to share their finding. Best wishes, Peggy -Original Message- From: addy abslew [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 7:30 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Anyone working with algae out there? Hello, All out there. Can any one, please, answer the qustions here above and make known how to grow very quickly in a tropical place enough algae to make into no less than 1000 litres of ethanol per day? - Original Message - From: Peggy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Anyone working with algae out there? Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 22:03:52 -0600 Hi Robert, P: There are many biomass projects that have great feasibility. Subject: [Biofuel] Anyone working with algae out there? I know of most of the web resources on the subject, and of the UNH stuff... But is anyone out there running any pilot projects? At 15,000 gallons per acre annual yield, based on the work done under the Aquatic Species Program, a demonstration facility seems like a given. Anyone know of any? Any implementation? P: Cattails can produce 1000 gallons of fuel ethanol per acre and serve to remediate whatever water is used to grow them. Still, getting people to actually go out and do the work is another hurdle to jump. Too many people want someone else to do the labor. To process the cattails, it is shredded like cabbage and then processed in a distillery. The first pilot project only relied on starch conversion into glucose. Now with biomass processing, the anticipated production will be even greater. The technology seems very pretty straight forward. Where can one learn more about implementation? Seems like growing the algae would be simple enough, but what about extraction? Is this simply drying, and pressing, centrifugal separation? What are the properties of the oil content? The remaining lipids then to undergo something like transesterfication? Are they usable as-is for boiler fuels, or in WVO/SVO modified diesel? Also why don't more people know about this?? As a former Sierra Club staffer, I am amazed that neither they, NRDC, or any of the other environmental awareness groups, which have alt fuel projects , have any idea of this. I hear the same canned response about the supply-side limitations of biodiesel, as if this 20 year, federal program never existed. Arg! P: Can you refer us to environmental awareness groups that have alternative fuel projects? I have been disappointed in the Sierra Club. Their focus on political bashing could be bolstered with better promotions for alternatives. The person assigned to targeting confined animal feed areas for pollution seemed more like a policeman than a person who wanted to SOLVE the problem. I brought the cattail project to their attention so that they could offer a way to SOLVE waterway contamination by confined animal residue runoff. (Cattails have proved 3 log and better reduction in microbes as a remediator in University Studies). Well, instead of offering a solution, they blame the US president for having the problem. Recognizing problems is important. Solving them is more important. Sorry...I have so many questions, but can not seem to be able to find any technical resources on the subject. Perhaps someone out there may be able to direct me. P: What are your personal goals? Do you want to produce biofuels? Do you want to work with other people in making biofuels? With all
RE: [Biofuel] Anyone working with algae out there?
Hi Robert, P: There are many biomass projects that have great feasibility. Subject: [Biofuel] Anyone working with algae out there? I know of most of the web resources on the subject, and of the UNH stuff... But is anyone out there running any pilot projects? At 15,000 gallons per acre annual yield, based on the work done under the Aquatic Species Program, a demonstration facility seems like a given. Anyone know of any? Any implementation? P: Cattails can produce 1000 gallons of fuel ethanol per acre and serve to remediate whatever water is used to grow them. Still, getting people to actually go out and do the work is another hurdle to jump. Too many people want someone else to do the labor. To process the cattails, it is shredded like cabbage and then processed in a distillery. The first pilot project only relied on starch conversion into glucose. Now with biomass processing, the anticipated production will be even greater. The technology seems very pretty straight forward. Where can one learn more about implementation? Seems like growing the algae would be simple enough, but what about extraction? Is this simply drying, and pressing, centrifugal separation? What are the properties of the oil content? The remaining lipids then to undergo something like transesterfication? Are they usable as-is for boiler fuels, or in WVO/SVO modified diesel? Also why don't more people know about this?? As a former Sierra Club staffer, I am amazed that neither they, NRDC, or any of the other environmental awareness groups, which have alt fuel projects , have any idea of this. I hear the same canned response about the supply-side limitations of biodiesel, as if this 20 year, federal program never existed. Arg! P: Can you refer us to environmental awareness groups that have alternative fuel projects? I have been disappointed in the Sierra Club. Their focus on political bashing could be bolstered with better promotions for alternatives. The person assigned to targeting confined animal feed areas for pollution seemed more like a policeman than a person who wanted to SOLVE the problem. I brought the cattail project to their attention so that they could offer a way to SOLVE waterway contamination by confined animal residue runoff. (Cattails have proved 3 log and better reduction in microbes as a remediator in University Studies). Well, instead of offering a solution, they blame the US president for having the problem. Recognizing problems is important. Solving them is more important. Sorry...I have so many questions, but can not seem to be able to find any technical resources on the subject. Perhaps someone out there may be able to direct me. P: What are your personal goals? Do you want to produce biofuels? Do you want to work with other people in making biofuels? With all the choices for biomass to be used, do you want to evaluate various feedstock? Most initial studies are amplified via a best-case-scenario spreadsheet when a pilot project confirms feasibility. It is the production demonstration that makes it commercially viable. Best wishes, Peggy Thanks! -Rob ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Anyone working with algae out there?
I know of most of the web resources on the subject, and of the UNH stuff... But is anyone out there running any pilot projects? At 15,000 gallons per acre annual yield, based on the work done under the Aquatic Species Program, a demonstration facility seems like a given. Anyone know of any? Any implementation? No, not particular to biodiesel. There is something in Hawaii that does algae for Spirillena(???) and a place about 6 hours north of Perth in Western Australia that does algae for Beta Crotene. Both of these are meant to be large scale The technology seems very pretty straight forward. Where can one learn more about implementation? Seems like growing the algae would be simple enough, but what about extraction? Is this simply drying, and pressing, centrifugal separation? What are the properties of the oil content? On these points, I just went to a local Uni and did a catalogue search for algae. I then spent the rest of the day looking through books, books that covered everything from the sex life of algae through to what they eat and what they do if you starve them of nitrogen. The remaining lipids then to undergo something like transesterfication? Yes Are they usable as-is for boiler fuels, or in WVO/SVO modified diesel? No idea Also why don't more people know about this?? As a former Sierra Club staffer, I am amazed that neither they, NRDC, or any of the other environmental awareness groups, which have alt fuel projects , have any idea of this. I hear the same canned response about the supply-side limitations of biodiesel, as if this 20 year, federal program never existed. Arg! At the moment biodiesel is relatively small scale. It can survive on the waste oil from the food industry, tallow from the meat industry and rape/canola/palm oil when it is in good supply and cheap enough. If the world ever gets around to recognising that Biodiesel is a in/out replacement for dinodiesel, rather than chasing around after hydrogen powered vehicles, then the demand will grow drastically, but supply of the base oils will get more scarce. It is then that someone, probably in an oil company, will remember an old report they saw about algae and oil production. Next thing you know, because the oil companies want to do it, various govenrments will find huge sums of money to back research and hey presto, fuel from algae. Sorry...I have so many questions, but can not seem to be able to find any technical resources on the subject. Perhaps someone out there may be able to direct me. The only thing I've found on large scale production is this book Micro-algal biotechnology ISBN: 0521323495 Thanks! -Rob ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Anyone working with algae out there?
268 posts on algae for you! http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/?keywords=algaetime=allusertim e=2002-12-31 Best Keith I know of most of the web resources on the subject, and of the UNH stuff... But is anyone out there running any pilot projects? At 15,000 gallons per acre annual yield, based on the work done under the Aquatic Species Program, a demonstration facility seems like a given. Anyone know of any? Any implementation? The technology seems very pretty straight forward. Where can one learn more about implementation? Seems like growing the algae would be simple enough, but what about extraction? Is this simply drying, and pressing, centrifugal separation? What are the properties of the oil content? The remaining lipids then to undergo something like transesterfication? Are they usable as-is for boiler fuels, or in WVO/SVO modified diesel? Also why don't more people know about this?? As a former Sierra Club staffer, I am amazed that neither they, NRDC, or any of the other environmental awareness groups, which have alt fuel projects , have any idea of this. I hear the same canned response about the supply-side limitations of biodiesel, as if this 20 year, federal program never existed. Arg! Sorry...I have so many questions, but can not seem to be able to find any technical resources on the subject. Perhaps someone out there may be able to direct me. Thanks! -Rob ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
