Re: [Biofuel] Greenhouse theory - smashed by biggest stone
Let's remember that the issue is not whether or not nature produces greenhouse gases - we know it does. IMO, the issue is whether or not the balance that has existed for many thousands of years and made the planet's surface sufficiently hospitable and stable for our species is shifting to our disadvantage. If it is, the next question is whether or not humans can change their behaviour at a planetary level to bring us back to the desired balance, whatever the root cause of the shift may turn out to be (I suspect it will be a mix of factors, including our addiction to burning fossil fuels at an unprecedented rate over the past century). We need the planet and the environment to be relatively stable and hospitable for the survival of the human species. The planet has no such dependence on us. As for this article, well it's just another theory, and remains to be tested. Until it survives serious scrutiny, it's just more smoke. Krakatoa had a huge short-term impact as well, but there was a return to balance to a matter of years. I'm not ready to try to compare the two events, but shouldn't we be seeing a return to balance after the Russian meteorite impact, rather than an ever-increasing divergence? Darryl McMahon Randall wrote: Very interesting article! It does help to remember that nature operates on a scale MUCH larger than mere human activity. Time will tell if this theory is given the same testing as other theories have been given, or if it is just brushed under the rug. --Randall Charlotte, NC ___ Heisenberg may have slept here If I had eight hours to chop down a tree, I'd spend six sharpening my xe. --Abraham Lincoln ___ - Original Message - From: JJJN [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: BIO Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2006 4:09 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Greenhouse theory - smashed by biggest stone Greenhouse theory smashed by biggest stone A new theory to explain global warming was revealed at a meeting at the University of Leicester (UK) and is being considered for publication in the journal Science First Hand. The controversial theory has nothing to do with burning fossil fuels and atmospheric carbon dioxide levels. http://www.physorg.com/news11710.html I found this interesting based on the credibility of the source. Controversial, it should be published to stand the scrutiny test given by the entire scientific world. Jim -- Darryl McMahon http://www.econogics.com It's your planet. If you won't look after it, who will? ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Greenhouse theory - smashed by biggest stone
. Controversial, it should be published to stand the scrutiny test given by the entire scientific world. ... said Jim. It will be. I don't know much about the credibility of the source though. It's not the University of Leicester, it was presented at a meeting there, and we'd have to know a bit more about that and the reception it got from the guy's peers. Also I don't know anything about the journal Science First Hand that's allegedly considering it for publication, is it a reputable peer-reviewed journal? I don't know anything about physorg.com either, but that it smashes greenhouse theory seems to indicate a bit of an agenda on the part of the headline writer, and you'd have to be scientifically naive to think that anyone serious still argues for a single cause of climate change. The denialists and Baliunas's and so on like to divide and conquer it that way though. However, the first comment in the discussion at the physorg.com site is: If anything rather than disproving global warming it acts as a sister to global warming. Best Keith --Randall Charlotte, NC ___ Heisenberg may have slept here If I had eight hours to chop down a tree, I'd spend six sharpening my xe. --Abraham Lincoln ___ - Original Message - From: JJJN [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: BIO Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2006 4:09 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Greenhouse theory - smashed by biggest stone Greenhouse theory smashed by biggest stone A new theory to explain global warming was revealed at a meeting at the University of Leicester (UK) and is being considered for publication in the journal Science First Hand. The controversial theory has nothing to do with burning fossil fuels and atmospheric carbon dioxide levels. http://www.physorg.com/news11710.html I found this interesting based on the credibility of the source. Controversial, it should be published to stand the scrutiny test given by the entire scientific world. Jim ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Greenhouse theory - smashed by biggest stone
Mike Weaver wrote: Wrong. Right. *God gave Man dominion over all the earth.* The implication is one of stewardship. Man was supposed to work the earth and care for it. *Genesis 1:26* Then God said, Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and */let them rule/* over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground. The nations were angry; and your wrath has come. The time for judging the dead and for rewarding your servants the prophets and your saints and those who reverence your name, both small and great; and for destroying those who destroy the earth. Rev. 11:18 Now, getta the way of my SUV. I gotta stop at Wal-Mart before church starts. Now, I know people have difficulty with reading comprehension, and I realize your tongue is firmly planted in your cheek. But in the event that some profoundly misinformed church goer spews out the dominion argument, it's often helpful to respond WITH scripture in order to provide some enlightenment. robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Greenhouse theory - smashed by biggest stone
Sorry, dude. You lost me at the reading part. robert luis rabello wrote: Mike Weaver wrote: Wrong. Right. *God gave Man dominion over all the earth.* The implication is one of stewardship. Man was supposed to work the earth and care for it. *Genesis 1:26* Then God said, Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and */let them rule/* over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground. The nations were angry; and your wrath has come. The time for judging the dead and for rewarding your servants the prophets and your saints and those who reverence your name, both small and great; and for destroying those who destroy the earth. Rev. 11:18 Now, getta the way of my SUV. I gotta stop at Wal-Mart before church starts. Now, I know people have difficulty with reading comprehension, and I realize your tongue is firmly planted in your cheek. But in the event that some profoundly misinformed church goer spews out the dominion argument, it's often helpful to respond WITH scripture in order to provide some enlightenment. robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Greenhouse theory - smashed by biggest stone
Mike Weaver wrote: Wrong. *God gave Man dominion over all the earth.* *Genesis 1:26* Then God said, Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and */let them rule/* over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground. Now, getta the way of my SUV. I gotta stop at Wal-Mart before church starts. 'Merika Keith Addison wrote: Okay everyone, note I didn't start this, Mike did. And since he decided to go here, I'll go too. a lot of folks, including a *LOT* of, if not most, christians, take this passage to imply that God gave man complete license to use and dispose of the earth any way he saw fit. Surely it can be read this way. However, taking the long view, this doesn't make sense, why? Because it DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. Q.E.D. Of course, just as if the Bible were Slashdot, and the whole of culture were the Internet, folks find what they like, disregard the rest. For this thesis for example, that Man is by creation, a God ordained Raper and Plunderer of all things of God's makings. (The common view), one has to completely disregard Gen 2, in general, and Gen 2:15 in particular And Jehovah God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it. Okay, break it down. Did Jehovah God place man into the garden to decimate, exploit, slash, burn, mine, kill and then move on ? *OR* did Jehovah God place man into the garden (God's garden btw, not man's) to dress and keep it. I give you two examples; An Amish Farm An Openpit Mine. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Greenhouse theory - smashed by biggest stone
Mike Weaver wrote: Sorry, dude. You lost me at the reading part. Oh, that's right. You didn't hear it from the pulpit . . . I'm doing the praise service at church this weekend. Wanna come up and hear me talk about environmental stewardship? robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Greenhouse theory - smashed by biggest stone
I go to one of those drive-through churches. robert luis rabello wrote: Mike Weaver wrote: Sorry, dude. You lost me at the reading part. Oh, that's right. You didn't hear it from the pulpit . . . I'm doing the praise service at church this weekend. Wanna come up and hear me talk about environmental stewardship? robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Greenhouse theory - smashed by biggest stone
Mike, I didn't know you were a Scientologist! Wink wink nudge nudge...I'd never accuse my worst enemy of that!I prefer online church: http://churchoffools.com On 3/28/06, Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I go to one of those drive-through churches.robert luis rabello wrote:Mike Weaver wrote:Sorry, dude.You lost me at the reading part. Oh, that's right.You didn't hear it from the pulpit . . . I'm doing the praise service at church this weekend.Wanna come upand hear me talk about environmental stewardship? robert luis rabelloThe Edge of JusticeAdventure for Your Mindhttp://www.newadventure.caRanger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/___Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/___Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/-- Thanks,PCHe's the kind of a guy who lights up a room just by flicking a switchYou can't have everything. Where would you put it? - Steven Wright ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Greenhouse theory - smashed by biggest stone
Is that the same as one of those drive through liquor stores?On 3/28/06, Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I go to one of those drive-through churches.robert luis rabello wrote: Mike Weaver wrote:Sorry, dude.You lost me at the reading part. Oh, that's right.You didn't hear it from the pulpit . . . I'm doing the praise service at church this weekend.Wanna come upand hear me talk about environmental stewardship?robert luis rabelloThe Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mindhttp://www.newadventure.caRanger Supercharger Project Pagehttp://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Greenhouse theory - smashed by biggest stone
Human activity is a part of the whole picture and it is ridiculous and academic to have a discussion otherwise. Further to the discussion of atmospheric concentrations of water vapor, ice crystal, and greenhouse gasses there is also the effect seldom mentioned of other aerosols. Sulfuric acid for example has a significant negaitive feedback effect. Sulfuric acid droplets never completely evaporate but shrink and grow depending on conditions but they are highly reflective. It is ironic that the disaster of Sept. 11 afforded scientists an otherwise impossible opportunity to observe the effect of having no aircraft flying in the upper atmosphere and what they found was that there was a marked increase in radiation influx during that time. It is also ironic that this information means that the sulphur content in petroleum jet fuel is having a counter effect on global warming and I'm surprised the petro industry isn't all over that one but I guess it still is not politically correct to be contributing to acid rain even if you are combatting global warming LOL. I guess if we ever get all the planes and cars burning low sulphur fuels we might have a little more evidence of global warming in our faces eh? Joe "God is a little too fond of a joke" -- Aristotle bob allen wrote: I'm quite unimpressed with the article. To claim that the observed elevation in temperatures is not due to the burgeoning concentrations of radiatively forcing gases in the atmosphere begs the question of why. We know that gases such as CO2 and methane absorb strongly in the infrared. Heat absorbed on the surface of the planet is radiated in the infrared, so CO2, methane, et. al. should trap the heat. So why is this phenomenon not observed? Is our understanding of simple physical principles that bad. The article also badly represents the impact of water vapor in the atmosphere with respect to global warming. Simply stated, water vapor is a dependent variable. That is, the hotter the atmosphere, the higher water vapor concentration in the atmosphere. It produces a strong positive feedback that is accounted for in most if not all the gcm's (global climate models). So how I'm not surprised that a country holding something like the second largest reserves of oil and gas on the planet might be proffering a alternative to the well accepted correlation between greenhouse gas emissions and the "theory of global warming". I will file this one under my rug. Randall wrote: Very interesting article! It does help to remember that nature operates on a scale MUCH larger than mere human activity. Time will tell if this theory is given the same testing as other theories have been given, or if it is just brushed under the rug. --Randall Charlotte, NC ___ Heisenberg may have slept here "If I had eight hours to chop down a tree, I'd spend six sharpening my xe." --Abraham Lincoln ___ - Original Message - From: "JJJN" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "BIO" Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2006 4:09 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Greenhouse theory - smashed by biggest stone Greenhouse theory smashed by biggest stone A new theory to explain global warming was revealed at a meeting at the University of Leicester (UK) and is being considered for publication in the journal "Science First Hand". The controversial theory has nothing to do with burning fossil fuels and atmospheric carbon dioxide levels. http://www.physorg.com/news11710.html I found this interesting based on the credibility of the source. Controversial, it should be published to stand the scrutiny test given by the entire scientific world. Jim ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and B
Re: [Biofuel] Greenhouse theory - smashed by biggest stone
That's where we get the wine Fred Finch wrote: Is that the same as one of those drive through liquor stores? On 3/28/06, *Mike Weaver* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I go to one of those drive-through churches. robert luis rabello wrote: Mike Weaver wrote: Sorry, dude. You lost me at the reading part. Oh, that's right. You didn't hear it from the pulpit . . . I'm doing the praise service at church this weekend. Wanna come up and hear me talk about environmental stewardship? robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Greenhouse theory - smashed by biggest stone
Preach it Brother Rabello! Can I hear an amen? Always wondered how so many Christians could shuck off environmental responsibility - as if right to life in the future is somehow different from right to life in the present. There are a few good beans and it's getting better. Just looking for a day when the glass is two-halfves full. Todd Swearingen robert luis rabello wrote: Mike Weaver wrote: Sorry, dude. You lost me at the reading part. Oh, that's right. You didn't hear it from the pulpit . . . I'm doing the praise service at church this weekend. Wanna come up and hear me talk about environmental stewardship? robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
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Appal Energy wrote: Preach it Brother Rabello! Grief! Even my sisters don't call me that! Always wondered how so many Christians could shuck off environmental responsibility - as if right to life in the future is somehow different from right to life in the present. I think most people only swallow what they're fed with a spoon. I once got in trouble among certain parishoners for teaching out of the Bible in a church school, so I walked into the pastor's office with my Bible and a pair of scissors. I put the Bible and scissors on his desk and asked the pastor to cut out the parts he didn't want me teaching. Am I afraid to make a point? I didn't keep that job, but in retrospect, it wasn't worth having. Too many people turn off their brains when it comes to faith. The drummer in my praise band has a tee shirt that reads: Jesus, I love you, but save me from your followers. There are a few good beans and it's getting better. Just looking for a day when the glass is two-halfves full. Keep the faith, Todd! robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Greenhouse theory - smashed by biggest stone
I'm quite unimpressed with the article. To claim that the observed elevation in temperatures is not due to the burgeoning concentrations of radiatively forcing gases in the atmosphere begs the question of why. We know that gases such as CO2 and methane absorb strongly in the infrared. Heat absorbed on the surface of the planet is radiated in the infrared, so CO2, methane, et. al. should trap the heat. So why is this phenomenon not observed? Is our understanding of simple physical principles that bad. The article also badly represents the impact of water vapor in the atmosphere with respect to global warming. Simply stated, water vapor is a dependent variable. That is, the hotter the atmosphere, the higher water vapor concentration in the atmosphere. It produces a strong positive feedback that is accounted for in most if not all the gcm's (global climate models). So how I'm not surprised that a country holding something like the second largest reserves of oil and gas on the planet might be proffering a alternative to the well accepted correlation between greenhouse gas emissions and the theory of global warming. I will file this one under my rug. Randall wrote: Very interesting article! It does help to remember that nature operates on a scale MUCH larger than mere human activity. Time will tell if this theory is given the same testing as other theories have been given, or if it is just brushed under the rug. --Randall Charlotte, NC ___ Heisenberg may have slept here If I had eight hours to chop down a tree, I'd spend six sharpening my xe. --Abraham Lincoln ___ - Original Message - From: JJJN [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: BIO Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2006 4:09 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Greenhouse theory - smashed by biggest stone Greenhouse theory smashed by biggest stone A new theory to explain global warming was revealed at a meeting at the University of Leicester (UK) and is being considered for publication in the journal Science First Hand. The controversial theory has nothing to do with burning fossil fuels and atmospheric carbon dioxide levels. http://www.physorg.com/news11710.html I found this interesting based on the credibility of the source. Controversial, it should be published to stand the scrutiny test given by the entire scientific world. Jim ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Bob Allen http://ozarker.org/bob Science is what we have learned about how to keep from fooling ourselves - Richard Feynman ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
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allegedly considering it for publication, is it a reputable peer-reviewed journal? I don't know anything about physorg.com either, but that it smashes greenhouse theory seems to indicate a bit of an agenda on the part of the headline writer, and you'd have to be scientifically naive to think that anyone serious still argues for a single cause of climate change. The denialists and Baliunas's and so on like to divide and conquer it that way though. However, the first comment in the discussion at the physorg.com site is: If anything rather than disproving global warming it acts as a sister to global warming. Best Keith --Randall Charlotte, NC ___ Heisenberg may have slept here If I had eight hours to chop down a tree, I'd spend six sharpening my xe. --Abraham Lincoln ___ - Original Message - From: JJJN [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: BIO Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2006 4:09 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Greenhouse theory - smashed by biggest stone Greenhouse theory smashed by biggest stone A new theory to explain global warming was revealed at a meeting at the University of Leicester (UK) and is being considered for publication in the journal Science First Hand. The controversial theory has nothing to do with burning fossil fuels and atmospheric carbon dioxide levels. http://www.physorg.com/news11710.html I found this interesting based on the credibility of the source. Controversial, it should be published to stand the scrutiny test given by the entire scientific world. Jim ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Greenhouse theory - smashed by biggest stone
Greenhouse theory smashed by biggest stone A new theory to explain global warming was revealed at a meeting at the University of Leicester (UK) and is being considered for publication in the journal Science First Hand. The controversial theory has nothing to do with burning fossil fuels and atmospheric carbon dioxide levels. http://www.physorg.com/news11710.html I found this interesting based on the credibility of the source. Controversial, it should be published to stand the scrutiny test given by the entire scientific world. Jim ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
