Re: [Biofuel] $1-billion worth of water pouring out of leaking lines - Niagara Falls Review - 2007.07.12

2007-08-15 Thread Doug Younker
Approaching comparing apple to oranges here, so I have to agree with Kirk. The loss associated with the transportation of electrical power are known expected loss, loss that little can be done to prevent. The loss of water in the transportation of the water in this example is due to the

Re: [Biofuel] $1-billion worth of water pouring out of leaking lines - Niagara Falls Review - 2007.07.12

2007-08-14 Thread Doug Woodard
You're over-optimistic. A really good, modern coal fired power plant gives 40% thermal efficeicnecy at a high power rating. The line and transformer losses come after that. A combined-cycle natural gas fired plant (gas turbiine with a steam turbine working off the turbine exhaust gases ) will

Re: [Biofuel] $1-billion worth of water pouring out of leaking lines - Niagara Falls Review - 2007.07.12

2007-08-14 Thread Paul S Cantrell
Hey Doug, Good point, the majority of coal plants are in the 40% ballpark, but I was being generous and including the combined cycle coal-fired plants. I've been to one in Columbia, SC that achieves 50% from coal. It also uses cool water from the bottom of the lake for cooling, so that increases

[Biofuel] $1-billion worth of water pouring out of leaking lines - Niagara Falls Review - 2007.07.12

2007-08-13 Thread Darryl McMahon
$1-billion worth of water pouring out of leaking lines Thu 12 Jul 2007 Page: A6 Section: Local Byline: James Wallace Source: Osprey News Network; Review As much as $1 billion worth of drinking water disappears into the ground each year from rotting, leaky municipal water pipes, says the Ontario

Re: [Biofuel] $1-billion worth of water pouring out of leaking lines - Niagara Falls Review - 2007.07.12

2007-08-13 Thread Paul S Cantrell
Funny thing, that's not funny is, about 50% of the energy contained in coal makes it to the power outlet. The rest is lost to heat loss, line losses and transformer losses. On 8/13/07, Darryl McMahon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I think it's something the public should be aware of, said

Re: [Biofuel] $1-billion worth of water pouring out of leaking lines - Niagara Falls Review - 2007.07.12

2007-08-13 Thread Kirk McLoren
yes, but they represent reasonable engineering. The water mains are deferred maintenance. A different kind of engineering I suppose. Paul S Cantrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Funny thing, that's not funny is, about 50% of the energy contained in coal makes it to the power outlet. The rest is