Re: [Biofuel] Annuals converted into perennials

2008-11-23 Thread Guag Meister
Hi David ; www.gac-seeds.com Very interesting site! Do you think that Gâc fruits would mature in Oregon? We had our first frost in November, we usually have our last frost at the end of April and beginning of May. I have one other customer in Oregon, but just planted this year

Re: [Biofuel] Annuals converted into perennials

2008-11-23 Thread David House
Peter, Guag Meister wrote: Hi David ; I have one other customer in Oregon, but just planted this year and no winter experience yet. Why don't you send me your address offlist and I will send you 20 seeds. I just ask for an occasional status report so I can update the site. The

Re: [Biofuel] Annuals converted into perennials

2008-11-19 Thread Keith Addison
Hi David, Peter and all Peter doesn't seem to see it that way David. Previous similar discussion, eg: http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg73271.html It seems to be a matter of who exactly is we, and who (?) isn't. Here's hoping you'll persuade him things ain't quite so

Re: [Biofuel] Annuals converted into perennials

2008-11-18 Thread David House
David, David Penfold wrote: Toensmeier also wrote the two volume /Edible Forests/... Actually, David Jacke was the main author of Edible Forest Gardens... I appreciate the correction. The book makes that clear, but it has been some time since I read it, and I did not check my

Re: [Biofuel] Annuals converted into perennials

2008-11-18 Thread David House
Guag, Guag Meister wrote: Hi David ; [...] What are you growing on your farm? Selling prices are generally higher for tree crops, it is better for the land and soil fertility, and less work too, but people generally don't plant and develope them due to the time lag to production.

Re: [Biofuel] Annuals converted into perennials

2008-11-18 Thread Guag Meister
Hi David ; You know I really believe that you are a nice person and you have really great thoughts and ideals, so there is nothing personal in my response. ...cut We now stand at the threshold of a global civilization, diverse-- yes-- but unified. Sorry for that severe cut, I don't have

Re: [Biofuel] Annuals converted into perennials

2008-11-18 Thread David House
Dear Guag, Guag Meister wrote: Hi David ; You know I really believe that you are a nice person and you have really great thoughts and ideals, so there is nothing personal in my response. No offense taken, none offered. ...cut We now stand at the threshold of a global

Re: [Biofuel] Annuals converted into perennials

2008-11-17 Thread David House
All, I've not quoted anyone in this thread since my post is not really a response to what has been said, but pertains to the subject per se. I purchased (and read most of) a copy of /Perennial Vegetables/ by Eric Toensmeier, which lists over 100 delicious, easy-to-grow edibles which are

Re: [Biofuel] Annuals converted into perennials

2008-11-17 Thread Guag Meister
Hi David ; cut wrote the two volume /Edible Forests/, which offers a good ...cut Yes I agree, there is much potential in tree crops and other perennials. What are you growing on your farm? Selling prices are generally higher for tree crops, it is better for the land and soil

Re: [Biofuel] Annuals converted into perennials

2008-11-17 Thread Keith Addison
Hello David All, I've not quoted anyone in this thread since my post is not really a response to what has been said, but pertains to the subject per se. I purchased (and read most of) a copy of /Perennial Vegetables/ by Eric Toensmeier, which lists over 100 delicious, easy-to-grow edibles which

Re: [Biofuel] Annuals converted into perennials

2008-11-16 Thread Keith Addison
Hi Chris keith, i hadn't even thought of the global warming adaptability angle. that's some first class thinking. It's just that it bothers me a lot. Virtually every new report you see on whatever aspect of global warming says it's worse than expected, it's happening much faster than

Re: [Biofuel] Annuals converted into perennials

2008-11-16 Thread Keith Addison
is one of the most admirable things you can do. -Rob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Keith Addison Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 3:03 AM To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Annuals converted into perennials Hello Rob

Re: [Biofuel] Annuals converted into perennials

2008-11-14 Thread Keith Addison
Hi Jason University labs can be just as cutthroat and partisan as any corporate lab. Or they're one and the same thing, very often. Best Keith Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 16:35:01 + From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Annuals

Re: [Biofuel] Annuals converted into perennials

2008-11-14 Thread Keith Addison
: Thursday, November 13, 2008 11:35 AM To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Annuals converted into perennials yes, really interesting. bit of a huge pandora's box also. thank goodness this came out of a university, rather than a private lab! still, fascinating

Re: [Biofuel] Annuals converted into perennials

2008-11-14 Thread Chip Mefford
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is a new development in how to develop perennials of some of the plants we use for our food production, such as wheat. Evidently there are some genes responsible for the distinction between annuals perennials - seems that a team of Belgian scientists

Re: [Biofuel] Annuals converted into perennials

2008-11-14 Thread Chris Burck
PROTECTED] wrote: University labs can be just as cutthroat and partisan as any corporate lab. Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 16:35:01 + From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Annuals converted into perennials yes, really interesting. bit

Re: [Biofuel] Annuals converted into perennials

2008-11-14 Thread Robert Vernon
Of Chris Burck Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 11:35 AM To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Annuals converted into perennials yes, really interesting. bit of a huge pandora's box also. thank goodness this came out of a university, rather than a private lab

Re: [Biofuel] Annuals converted into perennials

2008-11-14 Thread Chris Burck
keith, i hadn't even thought of the global warming adaptability angle. that's some first class thinking. sucks that it's the monsantos that are best positioned to benefit from this, though. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org

Re: [Biofuel] Annuals converted into perennials

2008-11-14 Thread Chris Burck
:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Burck Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 11:35 AM To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Annuals converted into perennials yes, really interesting. bit of a huge pandora's box also. thank goodness this came out of a university, rather

Re: [Biofuel] Annuals converted into perennials

2008-11-13 Thread Chris Burck
[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Annuals converted into perennials To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Date: Wednesday, November 12, 2008, 7:11 AM That's very interesting, thankyou. Best Keith There is a new development in how to develop perennials of some of the plants we use for our

Re: [Biofuel] Annuals converted into perennials

2008-11-13 Thread Robert Vernon
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Burck Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 11:35 AM To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Annuals converted into perennials yes, really interesting. bit of a huge pandora's

Re: [Biofuel] Annuals converted into perennials

2008-11-13 Thread Jason Mier
University labs can be just as cutthroat and partisan as any corporate lab. Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 16:35:01 + From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Annuals converted into perennials yes, really interesting. bit of a huge

Re: [Biofuel] Annuals converted into perennials

2008-11-12 Thread Keith Addison
That's very interesting, thankyou. Best Keith There is a new development in how to develop perennials of some of the plants we use for our food production, such as wheat. Evidently there are some genes responsible for the distinction between annuals perennials - seems that a team of

Re: [Biofuel] Annuals converted into perennials

2008-11-12 Thread Jon Pierce
...  Wonder where this will go. --- On Wed, 11/12/08, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Annuals converted into perennials To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Date: Wednesday, November 12, 2008, 7:11 AM That's very interesting, thankyou

Re: [Biofuel] Annuals converted into perennials

2008-11-12 Thread Keith Addison
. Best Keith --- On Wed, 11/12/08, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Annuals converted into perennials To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Date: Wednesday, November 12, 2008, 7:11 AM That's very interesting, thankyou. Best Keith

[Biofuel] Annuals converted into perennials

2008-11-11 Thread SurpriseShan2
There is a new development in how to develop perennials of some of the plants we use for our food production, such as wheat. Evidently there are some genes responsible for the distinction between annuals perennials - seems that a team of Belgian scientists found how to toggle the